veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

i can tell you mine

[indigo mural]

Sure

[bitter turtle]

but i dont rly play psyker that much

[coral willow]

duh.

[placid portal]

It's been 6+ months XPPP

[coral willow]

[placid portal]

when was vet keystone again?

[bitter turtle]

let me just

put it together

on gameslantern

ill @ you when im done

[thorn lark]

November-ish

[indigo mural]

I'm just curious what you picked really, my psyker is 30 and I'm using brain rupture/dome shield w Purgary/forgot melee name

sure

[placid portal]

yep, 6+ months and that's still an interaction that doesn't work 😔

[fiery wave]

Run void, win

Run trauma, win with 0 damage taken

[coral willow]

run EP smite shriek and say nay to all the idiots who think smite is bad

[wicked epoch]

any good?

needa know

[fiery wave]

Get shot of the map because someone else on your team wants to actually play the game

[coral willow]

1/4

[fiery wave]

No

[coral willow]

no they already died

[wicked epoch]

its better than my previous one tho

[coral willow]

mostly cause this is pubs and chinese like to die and leave

[fiery wave]

Still garbage

[coral willow]

only pinning fire i guess

[fiery wave]

Bolter needs a pull out buff

[coral willow]

i like shattering impact on one

[last parcel]

[wicked epoch]

whats more important

the rating or the primary action

[bitter turtle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c7c8f01-55f9-4b90-86bb-82315ec2df09/fire-trauma-spam

spam fire trauma staff everywhere and win

its honestly a little boring

lol

[fiery wave]

Smite

Ew

[bitter turtle]

what do you need BB for

[fiery wave]

Bosses

[bitter turtle]

just trauma xd

[fiery wave]

I always assume my team will be dead

So I build around being solo

[bitter turtle]

i think meleeing is better than BB on a solo boss no?

[fiery wave]

You can do funny numbers with bb

[bitter turtle]

well

you can run BB anyway i guess

not like smite is anything but a panic button

[fiery wave]

On my ep bb I did 38k in 8 seconds

[bitter turtle]

i barely use it

[wicked epoch]

which ones more worthwhile to upgrade?

[coral willow]

why nto assume they will murder you with barrels

[wicked epoch]

lating to this

[bitter turtle]

they are basically hte same

[wicked epoch]

relating*

[bitter turtle]

so just pick the one that doesnt brick

[wicked epoch]

what about this one

did this brick

[bitter turtle]

yes

er

yes it bricked*

[wicked epoch]

aw

[bitter turtle]

the perks are not good

you want surgical over gloryhunter but i remember you said you rly like gloryhunter so idk

[fiery wave]

One of the people I play with often times will accidentally tap a barrel and kill you

[coral willow]

was you the one to say try calvicide on bolters btw

[coral willow]

tbh idk whats worse

killing you with barrel and throw the game

[bitter turtle]

Hell no

[coral willow]

or wake up DH, immediately leave so some other person gets targetted with DH and dude tries to rejoin after killing

[wicked epoch]

hows this

[bitter turtle]

Actually goof

Good

[coral willow]

cool, cause uh for zealot i dont think calvicide is good sad

[bitter turtle]

Just turn critical damage to maniac

[wicked epoch]

does the 10 damage difference make a difference at all

or like no

[bitter turtle]

Probably not

It's a very small difference

[wicked epoch]

whats the use of the ratings tho since like this has a lower rating than the other one

[bitter turtle]

There is no use

[coral willow]

if you like gloryhunter keep that but i'd change to surgical , otherwise just change crit damage into something else and it should be great

[wicked epoch]

lower rating but its actually good

[bitter turtle]

They are worthless

[wicked epoch]

ill change to maniac because fuck each and every single rager

[fiery wave]

Worse

[bitter turtle]

The rating number is an approximation that is only meaningful if you have no idea what you're doing

[fiery wave]

I instant block

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't actually translate to being a better weapon

[coral willow]

i cant wven block cause the guy left

🤡

[bitter turtle]

Since a lot of stats don't rly do a whole lot

[coral willow]

and fatshark server kek

[bitter turtle]

Like htf put stability on laspistols

[coral willow]

i use it

dont you need it high anyway when you aim for stuff?

[fiery wave]

No

[bitter turtle]

I recorded tests

There is absolutely

No difference

Adsing

Not adsong

[coral willow]

awesome

[bitter turtle]

Moving while adsed

[fiery wave]

My 1% stab 80% everything goated

[bitter turtle]

And this is with zero (0) stability

[coral willow]

fatshark gaslighting strikes again

[bitter turtle]

Like I set it to 0 on purpose and compared it to 80 lul

Like maybe

[fiery wave]

I love the mk2 laspistol

[bitter turtle]

Maybe

I noticed

[fiery wave]

Genuinely my favourite weapon

[bitter turtle]

Slightly more spread when hipfiring

[coral willow]

idk it might affect spamshots but idk really

[bitter turtle]

But this is on the level that I'm not sure

Like placebo

[coral willow]

where mk10

[fiery wave]

Trash

It has its one purpose

Ghost

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

Here

Tell me if you can definitely say there's a difference

And that's at 0 stab lol

If you scroll slightly above you can see ads too

[thorn lark]

what's your take on out for blood vs confirmed kill?

that could lead me to some serious rework

[bitter turtle]

I'd take ofb on rashad and psword

Bromentum weapons

40% toughness gain per swing is

[fading grove]

Mk2 pistol with weapon specialist and shout is my fave setup

[thorn lark]

[bitter turtle]

But really both are good

I think path(number cat) tested and ck still gives more toughness over a game

Frankly though

[fading grove]

Good old shovel is my go to

[bitter turtle]

I think both are perfectly good so I just consider which surrounding nodes I want

[fading grove]

Horde clear is so good and longest dodge distance in the game

[bitter turtle]

Tdr and 1 stam or sprint efficiency and 5 speed

[thorn lark]

for the bolter i am quite interested by the reload speed

[bitter turtle]

You can sprint cancel to speed up bolter reloads but idk if that is something you're interested in

I would rather just take volley adept though

You already want Longshot on a bolter no?

[odd sparrow]

that doesnt speed up the reload, just the draw animation

[bitter turtle]

No

You can speed up reload too

The animations are staged so you can skip parts if you pass the stage

And it'll skip ahead

Like how in some game u can cancel the animation as soon as the bullet number goes back to full

Even if the animation isn't done

[placid portal]

so manstopper can finally go up to lvl 4? 🤔

[last parcel]

not in regular gameplay

[hearty panther]

https://youtu.be/dvqnixyv0Pk?si=4mDZ6zuAOXXk-KyD

looks like that

[bitter turtle]

thanks for saving me the effor

tlol

[thorn lark]

afaik only zealot can knife cancel the draw animation

[hearty panther]

zero reload speed talents

[bitter turtle]

you can also

on vet

without a knife

[thorn lark]

WHAT

WHAT

WHAT

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA8-mGQ1Tk

[placid portal]

darn I thought it was the quickdraw but it was the sprint reload tech XD

[hearty panther]

gotta have one shot spent

[bitter turtle]

yea

[hearty panther]

but ye quickdraw is doable

[bitter turtle]

have at least 1 missing bullet -> draw bolter -> reload cnacel the draw animation -> sprint cancel the reload animation

its usually

not nearly as smooth as that vid

but i recorded my best attempt

lul

[thorn lark]

have at least 1 missing bullet > wdym?

[bitter turtle]

so

you need at least 1 round missing in you rclip

or else you cant reload no?

and the entire tech is predicated on being able to reload

[hearty panther]

otherwise you cant trigger reload yea

[bitter turtle]

to cancel the draw animation

and then you cancel the reload with sprint

[thorn lark]

my god

[hearty panther]

welcom 2 da troo endgame

[bitter turtle]

its very practical thouigh the effects are not nearly as amazing most of the time as that vid

as i said that was my best attempt

[thorn lark]

you have inverse dmg fallof, and you're already osing snipers so i do fine without

[bitter turtle]

usually u still see some of the uh

reload animation

[hearty panther]

and sometimes it ghost reloads and you only notice when the gun stays static and wont shoot and suddenly the ammo 0s out lol

[thorn lark]

i am afraid that it would be very hard to pull it off with my current key config

does exec stance work with agile engagement?

[bitter turtle]

you cvan use

multi hot key

[hearty panther]

ye

[bitter turtle]

if you want

[bitter turtle]

agile isnt dependent on swapping

so yes

[thorn lark]

it's a mod?

[bitter turtle]

thats why bayonet works

yea mod

might make it easier

if u hotkey sprint onto a not-shift button prolly

[thorn lark]

i put reload on middle mouse button, because it's so cumbersome to quell on psyker with R....

swap is tab

sprint is shift

[bitter turtle]

i have all defaults

[bitter turtle]

heres a less cherry picked case

[wicked epoch]

how do i get sefoni feet pic penance

[last parcel]

beg

[wicked epoch]

where

i need this

[tall torrent]

Yes but like why

[fiery wave]

this is vet chat

go ask in zealot

[bitter turtle]

wait

er nvm

it hought they said wep specailist

was gonna ask did they fix exec to proc ws

pls rate my tech

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-fun-door-stopper-gif-15958962981047409247

[tall torrent]

[frank ether]

maybe if we pester fatshark enough about it they might lmao

[drifting oak]

pugs don't shoot taggables

fucking

elite gunner hell

why were there so many elite gunners

this shit is why I bring mg4

the zarona vet ran out of fucking ammo

[coral willow]

pugs dont tag

or they bound tag on lmb so it destroys your eardrums

[wicked epoch]

whats more useful on the bolter? +damage to maniacs or +damage to unyielding?

[echo pendant]

Is melee vet viable?

[wicked epoch]

trying to have it be a boss killer build

[drifting oak]

bolter is not a great boss-killer, it used to be okay with the O L D skill tree where you could magdump, ult to reload, magdump

[frank ether]

then you want unyielding

if u want boss killerr

[wicked epoch]

idk i can still mag dump and take out a large chunk of health

[drifting oak]

one mag of bolter doesn't do enough to bosses except the slug on the pimple and literally any gun can burn it down there

[wicked epoch]

gotcha thanks

[frank ether]

like it all depends on what you want the weapon to do

[drifting oak]

It's not even close to a "large" chunk of health compared to what you can do consistently with other things

chainaxe and toggleable shovels do incredible boss damage

[frank ether]

but generally speaking I find boltgun a poor choice for shooting ragers or muties

[drifting oak]

just taking the 1 melee hit = 1 bleed stack node gives you the ability to solo a plogyrn or a spawn, waering it down

[wicked epoch]

idk it just deletes

[frank ether]

It just wastes a lot of ammo

[wicked epoch]

ill try that if it gets me a nice axe

[frank ether]

muties you can generally melee

[drifting oak]

yeah it's also incredibly ammo inefficient

like just going knife or tac axe and bonking a boss with lights to stack the bleeds up to the max

[wicked epoch]

but its pretty fun

really fun

[drifting oak]

will do easily like 30% of the boss's hp even assuming you stop hitting as soon as the bleed stacks are maxed

bleed stacks FUCK bosses

[frank ether]

bleed on bosses is a little busted

[drifting oak]

it really can't be understated

or, well, overstated

[frank ether]

If I recall right rending also works on it

[thorn lark]

maor dmg?

[frank ether]

like I didnt specifically fact checked this

[drifting oak]

rending adds damage but not a significantly meaningful amount

[frank ether]

but I know rending and bleed on knife equals big boss damage

[drifting oak]

it's more for crushers

you can light them a bunch and the rending you get from the rending node means your bleed will actually do significant damage to it

[junior needle]

Generalized rending also applies to dots, yes

But it's not that much

[drifting oak]

but seriously if you have a good meelee weapon you should JUST be heavy-attack killing the crushers and not spamming lights on them

to build bleed

the only situation where I could imagine doing that is like... claw lmao

[thorn lark]

remove the sound in the settings

[drifting oak]

just because claw is so bad

against carapce

[frank ether]

mauls also have poor unyielding

[junior needle]

You'll probably get like 400~ dps to unyielding with max uncanny

[tulip condor]

Recon, what is recommended? Which weapon and blessing?

[junior needle]

On 16 bleed stacks

[tall torrent]

on helbore?

[coral willow]

i still need the sound

[junior needle]

2 and 7a are the best ones currently, 7a has the upside of cleave at the cost of only slightly worse ammo efficiency. HH/dumdum for blessings.

[coral willow]

same goes for peril noise hitting my eardrums

[junior needle]

6d is useable but has noticeable downsides in handling and ammo efficiency for no reason

[tall torrent]

btw @bitter turtle I checked shock maul a bit more

electrocution is not detailed well

[tulip condor]

random made this. feels ok, but believe it can be better

[drifting oak]

Headhunter > dum dum IMO, especially for the infernus synergy against plogyrns/slug

[coral willow]

wdym no reason

[tulip condor]

HH/dumdum for all recon?

[drifting oak]

(good luck consistently headshotting spawns)

[frank ether]

thats fine

[coral willow]

it has 1200RPM it of course gonna have ammo defficiency

[frank ether]

you can put unyielding over maniac if you want to magdump bosses but Idk really

its probably fine as is

[tulip condor]

mmm i see

[tall torrent]

essentially, shock mauls apply electrocution to enemies hit by damaging attacks that also cause valid stagger
electrocution's duration is based on the valid stagger's duration

[drifting oak]

HH is its best blessing as long as you can hit heads at all
After that you go dumdum for general damage or infernus for killing slug/plogyrn faster

[junior needle]

6d can feasibly substitute infernus for dumdum, not recommended on the others

[frank ether]

does the electrocution do multiple ticks of dmg

if so does each tick apply onslaught?

[tulip condor]

Honestly, the new hit marker for headshots throws me off. Don't "feel" it register as much since change

[frank ether]

valid questions I have but feel too lazy to test

[tulip condor]

Understood

[amber cliff]

me when my homie wakes up in the morning

[tulip condor]

I'll make another to play with. Prefer ADS. Wish IAG were better but gotta take what i can get

[tall torrent]

electrocution does no dmg

[coral willow]

so SC and HV have same expected damage output window?

[frank ether]

whuh, I killed stuff with it

[tall torrent]

the only atk that does dmg is the special

[frank ether]

oh wait

[tall torrent]

which has an exclusive shock DOT effect

[drifting oak]

iirc the special attack is the one that leaves a damaging dot

[coral willow]

special and block blessing's electrocution has a small DoT

[frank ether]

I thought we were talking about the special electrocute

[tulip condor]

I'll swap it, see how the synergy plays off

[tall torrent]

regular damaging attacks also apply electrocution if they successfully stagger

[drifting oak]

but normal attacks also have the electrocution visualeffect, which does NOT do damage

[frank ether]

ah, thaat. Yeah. I think its just visual flavor.

[drifting oak]

which is confusing af

[tall torrent]

electrocution status (not DOT) is entirely dependent on if the attack successfully staggers

[coral willow]

but counted towards high voltage

which is why we have those

[tall torrent]

high voltage works off this electrocution status

[tulip condor]

Thank you everyone for your feedbacks and insight. Much appreciated

[tall torrent]

meaning it's essentially skullcrusher with extra steps

[frank ether]

o yep

makes sense

[tulip condor]

Quick question for Headhunter blessing: Does it reset if you miss the head?

[tall torrent]

no

[tulip condor]

Good to know

[drifting oak]

headhunter is really, REALLY strong

[tall torrent]

however

electrocution lasts a bit longer than the stagger

on most enemies it's almost (?) 2x the duration as the stagger itself

so in terms of uptime it's a lot more consistent, albeit giving u a much smaller dmg boost

skullcrusher IV is up to +80% extra dmg vs staggered enemy u've hit

high voltage IV is +25% extra dmg vs electrocuted enemy

HV is much more forgiving overall

[bitter turtle]

yeah?

and yeah

electrocution is not the same as stagger

i was told by ppl in zealot chat that the normal swings causing electrocution particles counts

so

[tall torrent]

see above

[bitter turtle]

ah yeah

i figure with that being the case HV is a no-brainer

good for horde and elites

[coral willow]

any attack that induces stagger counts as a electrocution

but i dont think staggerelectrocution lasts the same time

electrocution usually lasts longer which is why i use HV over SC most of the time

[bitter turtle]

i just use both

[tall torrent]

only attacks that successfully stagger

[thorn lark]

I was thinking a about killing a mob with melee then going exec stance on the rest to get both DMG buffs

[coral willow]

path you know what i mean >:(

[tall torrent]

if it doesn't put the enemy into a stagger state, it won't electrocute

[coral willow]

anyway

[tall torrent]

ex: mk3 H1 sweep vs dreg rager, does nothing

[frank ether]

that has its merit but I dont think it matters over going skullcrusher with how I play the game

[tall torrent]

it kind of matters for light & heavy attacks

at least if ur not building +stagger blessings

because electrocution from light atks is roughly 2x duration of the stagger itself

[frank ether]

I build hammerbow skullcrusher

and it works well

maybe zealot could get away without it but meh

[thorn lark]

Zealot has access to grievous wounds

[scarlet vessel]

now i just need Iteminzation to remove the locks

[coral willow]

tbh i have this

[tall torrent]

yea on zealot I'd go SC 100% the time

[coral willow]

but

[coral willow]

i go with LR cause i like the utility tbh

[scarlet vessel]

stam elite gang

[tall torrent]

I rolled this so I can actually test

[coral willow]

it has too low mobility i dont like it

[tall torrent]

this thing is genuinely horrible vs bosses

[coral willow]

this has decent everything but brick roll

[scarlet vessel]

yeah we actually need not low enough miblity to decrease dodge count

[tall torrent]

however

if the electrocution is applied from an attack that applies stun

[bitter turtle]

just play thrust shmaul :^)

jk

[tall torrent]

the electrocution has the same duration as the stun

[coral willow]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-car-meme-transform-gif-14513858

[tall torrent]

so that includes the weapon special

overwhelming force's stun

lightning reflexes' stun

[coral willow]

its decent

[tall torrent]

lightning reflexes's stun is abt the same duration as a full weapon special hit

[coral willow]

it's pretty decent? at unyielding like this

would i use it to deal massive damage, no

[tall torrent]

it's quite a long stun

[coral willow]

but its

decent

i think maniac carapace might be the play but then im annoyed by reapers and bulwarks so

idk

[bitter turtle]

yea i wanted more thoughts about that

cara for 2 shot crushers and maniac to not need to hit mutant heads

[coral willow]

good weapon

its not set in stone tbh

also for maniac i have seen up to 4 shots so i have considered using marty instead

but then stelf marty is qutie ass unless you can just murder everything like rashad can

[bitter turtle]

the way i see it

for bulwark

special into gun is already really easy to dispatch them

[coral willow]

electric-bolter? yeah im thinking about that

its annoying at times if he lives more than 5 seconds tho

only on certain ocasions but yknow

[bitter turtle]

at the very least

i think maniac is necessary

mutants are annoying asf without it

[coral willow]

duh

[bitter turtle]

fwiw you cant special-> heavy kill a dreg rager either

[coral willow]

even with LR dreg rager spam is ass

and muties are

[bitter turtle]

without maniac

[coral willow]

muties eat

stuff

ate like 4 melee from me before

which sucks

even if indig saul swings fast

[bitter turtle]

yea

a lot more minor

but

[coral willow]

idk how to make a good saul build tbh

[bitter turtle]

H1 also cant 1tap flamers without maniac

baseline at least

[coral willow]

sweep?

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[coral willow]

i might go back to agni again

cause it having strikedown H1 is good for zealot

but curhser moveset is a thing i used so its boring

[bitter turtle]

no 1 tap without maniac

at least without additional investments into other talents

but its only the sweep that has that problem

still

might annoy you occasionally

[coral willow]

been liking this more

[coral willow]

me when even with maniac they take like 4 shots if not going for WP

[iron marten]

Thinking of doing brauto and knife. Any suggestions? I have the sprint eff node at the top, but I could switch it to the gain stam on dodging ranged attacks one

[tall torrent]

Maniac’s main benefit is H1 kill flamer in 1 hit tbh

I am 5% dmg off

Needed a 25% maniac gg

I think this might be the best budget melee to run for an exe stance build?

Definitely replacing chainsword as the best low cost option

[tulip condor]

For those of you that were here, again, thanks. Took suggestions and tweaked to this. Gotta say, performance has greatly improved. Wasn't much of a fan of recon weapons, but now I have something to play with in auric mission

[dusky cape]

hey is the dragons breath on the mark 9 shotgun usefull for anything it seems kinda crap the shotgun by itself is fine but is speacal ammo is useless

[fading grove]

It’s very good dot , has infinite cleave and can go through bulwarks

[dusky cape]

aight i'll try that

[bitter turtle]

mixed hordes of elites and pxowalkers

do a few dragon breath shots into them

its ok

[rigid pilot]

Use it to kill snipers

It has infinite range so two special shots will kill them at any range

[bitter turtle]

you dont consider mutant speical 2x heavy worthwhile?

if you dont have maniac it takes like 3 heavies even w/ special

and like 4 without

really annoying

[tall torrent]

it's nice, I think maniac is BiS for shock maul

but biggest benefit imo is flamer 1 hit

[rigid pilot]

Dclaw actually

[fading grove]

^

[bitter turtle]

ive noticed the mutant thing more personally

[rigid pilot]

Saul is nice too with LR, basically parry lite

[bitter turtle]

just bc shmaul really isnt that good vs mutants

[fading grove]

Dclaw parry can one shot crushers and ragers

[tall torrent]

DC is in a pretty awkward spot for vet melee tbh

[last parcel]

dclaw daemonhost one shot parry

[bitter turtle]

im gonna say it

dclaw sucks

[fading grove]

Nah

[bitter turtle]

bad into flak

bad into carapace

whats the point

[tall torrent]

I don't think DC is nearly as good as shock maul for vet lol

[bitter turtle]

like every half decent melee weapon can kill poxwalkers and its not even actually the best at that either

and it folds the instant you have to contend with bruiser trash mobs

and your gun has to pickup the slack in killing cara which further limits gun options

"parry rager" is not a big enough upside for these two major downsides

[last parcel]

you should pick up demo team for nade regen
or spend 2 for stockpile

[bitter turtle]

i unironically would rather use chaxes

[last parcel]

nuh uh 1 parry = 20 dead dreg bruisers

all thanks the massive flak cleave damage

[fading grove]

It literally is

[rigid pilot]

It clears better than Saul for horde imo

And melee vs gunners is similar

You still need 2 headshots

[fading grove]

I personally use MK 4 devil claw that overhead heavy fucks majority of things up, rest just parry and they’re dead

[tall torrent]

Not as good vs bruisers

[bitter turtle]

yea idk about that

[rigid pilot]

Mk4 heavy light sweep is fine with cleave blessings

[bitter turtle]

this is with +flak btw

and 80 all stats

[last parcel]

just didn't have enough faith

[bitter turtle]

unironically yes

[fading grove]

Cleave blessing and your coastin

[bitter turtle]

you need to crit

to do anything

[bitter turtle]

lol

you think i tested this with no blessing?

savage sweep + rampage

was on it

[last parcel]

not running hammerblow + vicious slice 😂 😂 😂

[bitter turtle]

btw

[rigid pilot]

Does Saul do much better there though

[bitter turtle]

i had onslaught on my tree there

which unironically

makes it look better than it actually is

[fading grove]

End of the day standard shovel>>>>

[bitter turtle]

with how many damn hits it takes to kill flak

[bitter turtle]

yes

much

much better

[tall torrent]

Significantly

Pretty much every melee has better flak dmg than DC swords lol

[bitter turtle]

standard shovel clear speed is pretty middle of the road too btw

better than dclaws against flak though at least

its the only weapon

that actually

can run exploit weakness

without trolling

because of how bad the flak dmg is

you probably will crit before you actually kill dreg bruisers

lol

[fading grove]

Can also stack rending with the shovel which just melts through flak soooo

[bitter turtle]

yea

thi sis with uncanny+deci shovel

its just average speed

good crowd control though

but actual kill speed is just ok

[placid portal]

Take a Swing + Uncanny build when

[tall torrent]

Shovel clear speed is on the slower end of “avg”

[fading grove]

Flak not too worried about

[tall torrent]

Yea flak is not a problem here, but it also doesn’t cleave enough vs bruisers lol

[fading grove]

MK2 laser pistol is for those jobs

[bitter turtle]

shovel flak damage is fine

its just yea

it throws things around more than damages them tbh

not to the level of bad like a crucis thammer

but

[tall torrent]

Shovel hits 3 scab bruisers and that’s done

4 if thrust/decimator is up

[rigid pilot]

Shovel probably clears better on light spam

Heavy spam is blegh

[fading grove]

^

[tall torrent]

Not true either

[rigid pilot]

Depends on density I guess

[fading grove]

Heavy for hordes

Light for rending stack

[rigid pilot]

Not that test where you fight 10 stacked up bruisers

[bitter turtle]

it does not

ive tried both

light spam

is

terrible

spoiler alert

like really fucking bad

dont do it

[tall torrent]

Even for rending, heavy just stacks faster

[rigid pilot]

L3 chops flak bruiser head pretty well

[tall torrent]

Because uncanny stacks per target hit

[tall torrent]

Yea hit 2 at a time

[rigid pilot]

In a melee situation sometimes that's all you can reach while dodging etc

[tall torrent]

3 cleave vs 2.5 mass

[rigid pilot]

They ain't standing there for you to sweep cleanly

[tall torrent]

Vs scab bruiser it’s 3 cleave vs 3.5 mass, u only hit 1

[fading grove]

Or ya know just special poke them to stumble them

[bitter turtle]

shovel has a very

good heavy

low startup

there is no reason to spam light

for horde

[fading grove]

Low startup?

[tall torrent]

A Rashad in this scenario kills 12 in 2 seconds

[fading grove]

It’s fast

[bitter turtle]

thats what i mean

[rigid pilot]

Test with AI on

[bitter turtle]

low time to startup

im saying its fast enough that light spam is pointless

for horde

[fading grove]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

i dont call this "pretty well" personally

[placid portal]

Rashad Decapitator is fun, the only problem is how the condition to build stacks is very rough in missions but you sure as hell build it up super fast on hoardes XD

[rigid pilot]

No AI

With AI they will spread out

It will never be so dense

[bitter turtle]

it really doesnt matter

[forest maple]

Dear Melk, what a pleasant fucking surprise

[bitter turtle]

im hiutting like 1 or 2 at a time

what difference does spread out or not make in that case

either way you're killing less than 1 per swing

that is not good

[rigid pilot]

Your sweep sometimes also doesn't catch more than a few

[bitter turtle]

sweep also has good crowd control

theres just no point in lgiht spam unless you're using mk3 folding i guess MAYBE

but that thing is just shit at horde either way

[fading grove]

Never cared to use the two new shovels

[rigid pilot]

Agreed it's not very good

But there's definitely alot of situations in game where light is better than heavy

[bitter turtle]

im not even convinced light spam is significnatly faster aspd wise

[fading grove]

Heavy is still the optimal way to use shovels, it’s low startup is just too good

Not mentioning you add weapon specialist and it’s even faster

[bitter turtle]

btw

the reason we say shovel is "average"

is bc weapons liek this exist

this is the same # of bruisers as the above heavy spam shovel

20

i even miss twice

[fading grove]

I mean cool people can use meta weapons just not my taste personally

[tulip condor]

For the new maul, recommended blessings? My guess is High Voltage, Lighting Reflexes, Skull Crusher, and a distant yet possible chance of Thrust.

[tall torrent]

Thrust is bait

[bitter turtle]

thrust is bad

but yes the others are good

[tall torrent]

HV / LR / SC any combination

Personally I think HV > SC on non-zealot

[tulip condor]

Truely? damn shame

[bitter turtle]

think about it this way

why charge the heavy swing

for a 60% dmg boost

when you could just heavy swing twice

[tall torrent]

Yea the combos are fast enough that u can swing twice while you were charging a heavy for +60% dmg

[bitter turtle]

weapons that actually use thrust are ones with special actions

that want to do a funny 1 tap

or somethingn like that usually

[tall torrent]

The charged +60% dmg heavy doesn’t hit 1 tap breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

isnt just meta weapons, unless you say chainsword is meta

[fading grove]

Chainsword is based

[tulip condor]

Felt like the amount of enemies to crowd sweep was limited. Making a shroud melee build with it. Thought thrust might be a possible build from it

[tulip condor]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

I think HV + LR is the best for vet personally

LR is utility blessing vs ragers

It’s a lot more lenient than u think

U can actually stun bulwark if they try to shield bash u

[bitter turtle]

i mean tbf

[tall torrent]

Don’t try to block crusher & mauler overhead tho

[bitter turtle]

u could have just pressed special action vs bulwark

[tulip condor]

What about crusher's overheads?

[tall torrent]

The difference is that special takes several ticks to get a long enough stun going

Whereas LR’s stun is just a bit under max stun duration from SP

[bitter turtle]

fair, but u also are waiting for the bulwark to attack to counterattack

[tall torrent]

For zealot I’d go HV + SC

Also

HV works on bosses

[tulip condor]

Will LRs work for crusher's overhead attacks?

[tall torrent]

No

U will get 1 tapped

[tulip condor]

good to know

[tall torrent]

However

[tulip condor]

current work on new mauler

[tall torrent]

This is only vs overhead attacks

U can actually block crusher sweep and stun them

[tulip condor]

what about mauler's overhead?

[bitter turtle]

UNTRUE
you do in fact stun them :^)

[bitter turtle]

very worth

look at him gettinng stunned while i die

then my teammate can pick me up for free

ez

[tulip condor]

pfft

[tall torrent]

overheads are "unblockable"

[tulip condor]

Noted

[tall torrent]

U can block mauler’s sweep

And crusher’s sweep

And stun them with LR

[tulip condor]

perk wise, what should I change?

[bitter turtle]

look at that, i didnt even go down

i can kill him right after

[tulip condor]

feel like flak should be upgrade to 25% but carapace could also use it or be swapped for something else

[tall torrent]

Flak to maniac

[tulip condor]

terrifying results tho

[tulip condor]

i know maniac is low but really need that bump?

[wise jackal]

If your in coherency you can recover quickly from it

[tall torrent]

it helps vs flamers, mutants & dreg ragers, why wouldn't u want it

[bitter turtle]

yes

mutants are

a huge

pain in the ass

withou tmaniac

you cant stun them

[tulip condor]

i was purely thinking dmg wise only

done deal

give this a test drive tomorrow

thanks for your wise counseling

[bitter turtle]

maniac lets you shock -> 2 heavies

btw

@tall torrent shmaul ticks dont proc onsalught right?

the special action

[tall torrent]

Haven’t checked

But it doesn’t rly matter

[bitter turtle]

im just curious

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t

[bitter turtle]

damn

HV + LR

barely misses the finish line

probably needs desperado or osmething

or redirecct stacks

or maybe i need better stats

70 finesse

yea

putting it to 80 kills it

[tall torrent]

I don’t like how the special has a windup

It’s like Rashad’s uppercut

[elder fiber]

at least it justifies the windup unlike rashad special

[wind patio]

Just rolled this raw what should I do with it

[pseudo spade]

Hello guys, does enhanced target priority work with relentness?

so can my team also see target's as long as i keep killing enemies? or its just me?

[bitter turtle]

just you

[odd sparrow]

id change the perks to maniac, unarmored

alternatively maninac, elite

[pseudo spade]

aah daam , so teammates can only see 5 seconds? not so good

[bitter turtle]

maniac elite is better

[bitter turtle]

oh

thats what you meant

no

the highligh tkeeps going

honestly

its a waste of a node though

[pseudo spade]

okay cool thanks

[bitter turtle]

dont bother with it, if anythin git just hurts your abilirty to keep it going

not worth 1 pt

if your teamates kill the elites youw ere targetting then it cuts it short

really anti-synergy

[pseudo spade]

yup thats y i also use counter fire so i can select a random human enemy and 5 sec keeeps going

[bitter turtle]

then you have 3 tax nodes under it

really expensive

just stick with ranged en emy highight + refresh

[pseudo spade]

and lasgun VId keeps going ,

i'm not using any special keystones for lasgun build , so far working great , top dps

thanks for info

[iron marten]

Sorry for late reply, but that’s a jolly good idea

[dreamy spade]

I wish recon lasguns had better modifiers

They literally have 3 dump stats

4 if you count ammo

[bitter turtle]

at that point you should jsut aim for high ammo

its actually a limiting factor on the guns anyway

[dreamy spade]

I'm using stamina deadshot build to so I literally have no recoil

Movement caps at like 60%

The only thing stability gives me is spread but I mean

[26.15 - 23.97]

[rigid pilot]

I have no clue what spread numbers mean

[dreamy spade]

I will max collat because it stops bombers and trappers

But if they gave it a crit modifer or sumin

[cinder wadi]

which accatran lasgun is the best or does it depend on preferance?

[dreamy spade]

7a

[rigid pilot]

7a the one with the cleave?

[dreamy spade]

Undoubtedly

[cinder wadi]

alr

infernus and headhunter I presume?

[dreamy spade]

Uhh

I don't use headhunter on my build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c7ba9dc-a5d3-4534-b2c6-39296bda62df/recon-vet-2

[cinder wadi]

why not? wouldnt it benefit from the extra crits?

[dreamy spade]

Yes but thats only if you hit weakspots

And infernus caps

Dumdum is just free damage

[cinder wadi]

fair

[dreamy spade]

My build pretty much constantly shoots fire without headhunter

But if talents dont give high crit then yeah

[cinder wadi]

does it need to run marksman's focus to be good? I really hate that keystone

[dreamy spade]

Uh well it works great with counter-fire and relentless

And it lets you see through smokes and fog at range

I should've clipped yesterday I was popping heads

[cinder wadi]

oh no, I'm doubting the build I just personally dislike the keystone so I was wondering if there was an alternative is all

[dreamy spade]

I mean you can do whatever but i think my build has best synergy with recon lasgun as primary weapon

[cinder wadi]

unrelated but has anyone had a problem where some of their buffs don't display on the button left even tho they have them?

[somber axle]

I love her

[dreamy spade]

Yes it's been in the game for many months now

[somber axle]

gotta avenge the original crew

[dreamy spade]

Idk why they havent fixed it

[somber axle]

Tbh I wouldn't recommend Infernus on the Mk VIIa and you can probably stretch ammo and damage more consistently using Headhunter vs Infernus but it's fine. The buff to Infernus stacks helps + you've got Deadshot though hip-fire accuracy was nerfed for Recons with the Secrets of the Machine God update so it's trickier to alternate into hip-fire for keeping shots on target mid-long range now for Deadshot juggling without Target Down. Dum Dum + Infernus is really only good on Psyker because of Scriers Gaze

Onslaught is also not a good idea on the Recon Mk VIIa because it has the slowest fire rate of all the Recons. Keep in mind that it is only providing 2.5% stacking brittleness per shot and Infernus ticks do not apply Onslaught stacks either. You'd benefit more from going down middle tree to grab Rending Strikes, Iron Will, Tactical Awareness and even For the Emperor and you conveniently have just enough points in the bottom right to swap into that instead

Though you get the clown stamp of approval for smokes + exe stance because that's one of my fav combos

[stiff glacier]

All curios stamina curios

[dreamy spade]

Deadshot now lasts until I empty my mag😈

[somber axle]

I like the corruption resistance but tbh you don't need the HP perks on the curios. They're not going to help you on HP breakpoints even if you grabbed both of the 5% HP talent nodes. You'd probably have a better time maintaining Deadshot uptime with stamina regen instead

even more crits

[dreamy spade]

Just a flamerthrower at this point lol

[stiff glacier]

I never leave home without my %20 health curios and toughness curios

[dreamy spade]

What about sprint efficiency too

[stiff glacier]

I like sprint efficency

[somber axle]

That is also a really good option

[stiff glacier]

But like gunner res way more

[somber axle]

I've been pretty happy going 1 HP, 1 TGH, 1 Stam lately

comfortably hit HP breakpoints, extra stam for blocking/sprinting, toughness to shrug off more lasfire

just feels very comfy

[dreamy spade]

I'll go stamina and sprint efficency on the gun itself too😈

[somber axle]

LOL

I've got Duck and Dive + Stripped Down on my Recon Mk VId with my Weapon Specialist build for charging into enemy firing lines to melee them down

It's really fun

[stiff glacier]

Add stamina boost to gun itself

I love my psyker swords with plus 2 stamina

[somber axle]

Plus I love going full on blender mode with the Chainsword Mk XIIIg spamming lights with the +25% melee attack speed

chew through the horde

still get ok DPS/TTK on Crushers firing the Recon Mk VId into them

Kraks for when Crusher squads get extra silly or for setting up boss kills

[bitter turtle]

jfc that felt like an hour long game

https://i.gyazo.com/b00b532c1664140c41e382459b67ffea.jpg

[severe gale]

15 deaths

[bitter turtle]

10 rescue 8 revive

[severe gale]

was this auric damnation?

[bitter turtle]

mael

yea

[severe gale]

ah

yeah

bleh

[bitter turtle]

ethe current one

extra pox/sniper

[severe gale]

i only usually play maelstrom if its monstro specials

otherwise i dont really care too much

[dreamy spade]

Marksman focus is amazing for crit recon, 75% finesse bonus and 10% rendering so i dont need to go all the way to rendering strikes

[bitter turtle]

yea i tested infernus on 7 if you ccare to know

its

still a huge gap sadly vs dumdum

[somber axle]

Yeah I like using Marksman's Focus + Chink in their Armour with Rending Strikes for my Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa

[bitter turtle]

like 300 dps at close range

gap

[somber axle]

Dum Dum is just so, so good for the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa. I'm not surprised it performs so much better

You've got to be at pretty far distances before Infernus begins to close the gap

Especially after the close range changes

Infernus is still really fun for lighting things on fire though

[dreamy spade]

Also conserves ammo cuz i wait until they die from fire

[somber axle]

I'm using Dum Dum + Stripped Down on my melee Vet Recon Mk VId set up, but Dum Dum + Headhunter on my funny Elysian Exe Stance Marksman's Focus build

I have a weird number of Recons (mostly Recon Mk VIds) with Headhunter + Infernus but I'm enjoying melee Vet a lot lately

[dreamy spade]

I havent got max ammo stat but I think its possible to get 1000 ammo reserve on mk7 right

Yeah 1,200 ammo

[somber axle]

The ammo reserve buffs to the VIIa are nice

[bitter turtle]

you mean with talent?

https://i.gyazo.com/d84a6dd7d2307d89798a6efbdc52b651.jpg

i got 1k

75 ammo stat

[dreamy spade]

Plus shocktrooper = unlimited ammo

[rigid pilot]

Didn't the patch add extra ammo to 7a

[dreamy spade]

Yes

A lot

[somber axle]

Yeah

Nice buff to reserve ammo

I think the Recon Mk VIIa got the most buffs?

More ammo, more impact stat, more damage

[dreamy spade]

I think it's gonna be nerfed

I can literally 1 shot scab shooters when my headhunter 7 cant do that sometimes

[bitter turtle]

hoeh?

it should do it fine

unless you mean bodyshot but i dont think recon 7 can od it either

[rigid pilot]

Maybe really long ago, before they buffed HH 7 and nerfed 3

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/8f301a73eab6255f0f996090a911cba6.jpg

rate my tech heresy

[last parcel]

use the chainsword scope

[frank monolith]

its been a while since i last played im farming the first decendant for ultimate gley 👀

[somber axle]

remove the grip to make it more California compliant

[austere mica]

I think it’s already California compliant because it shoots lasers and not bullets but do it anyway

[bitter turtle]

those scopes dont work

rn

unless it got updated

[somber axle]

but consider this:

[austere mica]

That shoots bullets

Kind of

[winter grove]

I think I almost got same amount of ammo on my ilas4

[austere mica]

Gyrojets are hazy and I think considered destructive devices due to the caliber

[winter grove]

Inacurate

That bolter magazine holds more than 10 rounds

[rigid pilot]

Do bolter rounds have stabilizing fins

[somber axle]

idk look at the model in that first pic

are you sure that can hold anything more than 4

[winter grove]

no

[winter grove]

I meant second

[austere mica]

I wonder how you would class bolt rounds

[winter grove]

Explosives

[austere mica]

Considering they are basically rockets

[somber axle]

ok I fixed it for you

[bitter turtle]

all the mt stuff scopes are super misaligned rn

lol

[somber axle]

oh whoops replied to the wrong comment

[rigid pilot]

How would they fly straight without fins

[somber axle]

LOL

chat moved too fast I'm not fixing it

[bitter turtle]

oops wrong clip

[rigid pilot]

Emperor guides them

[austere mica]

Yeah I was wondering

[winter grove]

Explosives

[bitter turtle]

lol

unless you call this playable*

[last parcel]

yeah

very viable

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

[winter grove]

playable

[last parcel]

mine just turned invisible though

[winter grove]

You should try infantry lasgun with flakmark sight

[somber axle]

also weird thing but like does anyone know what the next set of cosmetics will be?

[austere mica]

I just stick the accatran reflex sight on everything

[last parcel]

someone here actually prefers that

[austere mica]

The laspistol one

[winter grove]

I wonder who

[last parcel]

hmmm

alpharius?

[austere mica]

I find magnifying optics in this game to be a hindrance

[winter grove]

show me that madman

[bitter turtle]

hoenstly

if i take off al that extr ashit

https://i.gyazo.com/266f5b16b4ba78c11d15954bd4378a41.jpg

it doesnt look bad

lmao

[last parcel]

check under your fore skin

[winter grove]

lucius

[nova hazel]

Is there a general consensus on which trinket perks vet likes to run?

[bitter turtle]

the main stat or the perks

[nova hazel]

Perks, I typically just one one Stam one health and one toughness for the main

[bitter turtle]

yea

i think if you can get 22% or 21% hp that's a breakpoint to survive 2 burster/snipers iirc

i run stam regen on all 3

[nova hazel]

Same on the Stam Regen for vet

[junior needle]

Not quite, unless we're talking helbores

[shadow dagger]

i think 21 is still max for hp

[junior needle]

It is

[shadow dagger]

21, 17, 3, 1

numbers are numbering

[last parcel]

THE NUMBERS MASON

[nova hazel]

I've had toughness Regen speed slapped on them for like 200 hours and now that I'm looking back on them I'm pretty sure that it's quite redundant

[bitter turtle]

idr the % breakpoint but you need to hit 200 hp basically

[last parcel]

34%

[nova hazel]

I'll have to double check my HP but Im definitely right around there so that's good to know

[bitter turtle]

well there you go

[pseudo fiber]

Whats the number you need on a +3 stam curio for it to be "real"?

[last parcel]

76 base i think

[nova hazel]

I've had some 75 be real on the bar and some be fake

76 should always be real though

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/reaper-overwatch-soldier76-gif-18605160

[tough tiger]

@last parcelhttps://tenor.com/view/hop-on-darktide-gif-27128217

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blast-off-launch-cat-jumping-into-camera-gif-6639037559618288527

[lusty sapphire]

@junior needle got rid of onslaught, took some extra crit. Got myself some more kraks and extra revive speed for utility. This feels pretty good with the recon mk7 dumdum/headhunter. You think I can improve on this?

[tough tiger]

how

[rigid pilot]

No stam Regen delay is gonna be a little rough

[lusty sapphire]

Which node is that one? Tbf I can manage fine with this cause I run a +3 stam regularly

[rigid pilot]

Just before MF

[lusty sapphire]

Hmmm I could lose the extra weakspot dmg on ability activation for that one

Does marksman apply to melee as well?

[rigid pilot]

Afaik it does

What's your loadout for that build?

[lusty sapphire]

Mk6 ps with bromentum/pc4 and a recon mk7 hh/dumdum

On shout it's nice getting a few push attack hits on stunned bosses and then just throw all my nades at them

[rigid pilot]

PS doesn't need rending, can probably get 20% ogin damage instead

With kraks it's gonna just destroy bosses

[lusty sapphire]

Unfortunately my perks are locked on special/maniacs for now

Gambling is fun

[junior needle]

Recip isn't very helpful for ranged performance due to scuffed activation on ranged attacks. Redirect fire is also worth dropping something for.

[rigid pilot]

With both weapons? You can swap to the weapon with unyielding

[lusty sapphire]

I can't remember if the recon had unyielding. I think I have maniac flak on that one with maniac locked

Hadron and brunt bricked about 500k worth of dockets and thousands of plasteel before the ones I got now

[rigid pilot]

It's probably fine either way your team is there to help with boss damage

[rigid pilot]

But I was referring to the nodes before FT

I would take extra ogryn and monstrosity damage instead of 10% rending

Unless you want the 10% damage boost to recon

[lusty sapphire]

Ah the node for unyielding dmg I'll try although I like the rending for the recon for some extra flak dmg, gunners/shotgunners clusters are annoying and when I can't get to them it helps to dispatch of them more quickly

[junior needle]

The recons have exclusively negative modifiers currently across all models

I'd say the rending is more generally useful

[rigid pilot]

Yea so it's like a straight 10% boost for them

[junior needle]

You can still take both, I don't think the extra nade or the assist speed are especially useful personally

[lusty sapphire]

The extra nade may be not. Assist speed + the usual +30% I rock on curios is really nice tho

Actually yeah. What I lose dropping 1 grenade I gain across all my arsenal with the unyielding/ogryn node

Why didn't I think of that

[junior needle]

After playing with the revolver for so long

Every other guns whips out glacially slow

This has become a problem

I can't go back now

[lusty sapphire]

Do not try the bolter

[covert timber]

Unless you’re veteran

[lusty sapphire]

I understand the logic of the revolver being quick-draw but the boltgun is still too slow sometimes. That extra animation when he touches the charging handle is so long. Just take it out and shoot man

[shadow dagger]

not me spending so much time using zealot knives for ranged pingables that I legitimately started thinking columnus ready speed was too slow

I need to take a week long break from zealot or something

[cinder wadi]

how does smoke work exactly, I've thrown it at a group of gunners but sometimes I'd see them shoot at us from the smoke

[tropic imp]

They keep shooting at the last point they saw you

[uncut pebble]

Smoke before they get set up.

[plain escarp]

Is it true you shouldn't put flak on plasma?

[tame lodge]

Throw at your feet or ahead of you, if you throw at gunners/reapers they'll still shoot

[proper delta]

im running this, mostly the idea is to knife everything and pop something in the head from the hip that shoots / stagger everything around it so I can run up and knife it. Should I run smokes over kraks for when i get swarmed by shooters or is it better to have the kraks for armor (or should I be running something else on my knife to handle armor?)

experimenting with lethal proximity for the pocket sand stagger in a pinch but usually i use run n gun and deadly accurate is so that the first pop on a swap will probably one-shot

[winter grove]

Fellas