#veteran-class

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coral willow
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80%damage bonus is a hard knack to reach

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thrust is only 60%

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deci is 50%

quick burrow
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whats the fav crush to use ?

sleek garden
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There's only the one

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Indignatus

quick burrow
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this ones mine

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winter grove
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A hour later reply

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No.

sleek garden
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Hammerblow is great because you start knocking over ragers/maulers/crushers/shotgunners on light attacks

bitter turtle
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onslaught brittleness functionally doesnt really do any supporting since by the time you stack it up, whatever you're shooting is presumably dead

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its just brittleness because rending would have been op as fuck

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imagine stacking onslaught on yourself on the first crusher and then just tearing through the other 5 like paper

proper delta
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Does anyone know why brunt’s prices seem to go between 9k and 11k?

pearl granite
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for lethal proximity, what's "close shot"? how close is close? 😄

oak widget
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Could someone link me a melee focused vet build please Hypers

proper delta
proper delta
oak widget
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Returning player so I dunno whats good anymore, haven't played in 2 years

proper delta
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knife is pretty fun cause mobility but you can use most melees otherwise nbd. i know chain axe is pretty goated on weapons specialist

oak widget
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currently running chain axe but might try the new shovel

proper delta
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shovel you can run the krieg stab build.......

proper delta
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but any quickswap ranged and any fast melee is fine

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i ran it with shock maul too and it's good etc

proper delta
proper delta
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i run all this on damnation fine haven't tried aurics yet

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anyone here know if the vet guide rec for second perk on psword is still good? (BM or Sunder)

oak widget
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Thanks for all that, I'll read it in a sec, currently in a game

proper delta
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np

crisp abyss
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okay guys, i need some advice here , is the cadia mk IV chainsword or the cadia XIIIg chainsword better?

inland orchid
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depends on what ur endgoal with the chainsword is, one can be used for cleaving while the other's strikedown focused

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i prefer the IV myself to make for easier horde clear

crisp abyss
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welp strikedown are useful on the heavys but i need something that can clear hordes better

cloud otter
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Do you prefer the Mk IV chainsword over power sword for horde clear? (edited for clarity)

crisp abyss
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i already have a power sword with power sycler and slaughterer which help me clear hordes on light attack and kill specials on heavy attacks so now i need a chainsword that can clear hordes on light attack and kills special on heavy

coral willow
coral willow
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mk13 is... boring for me, its elf knife from vt2

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and be ause of that has the worst animation of the chainsword just slapping a target on heavy imho

heavy rover
coral willow
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deci is

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uh

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not good

heavy rover
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Yeah, I tend to be split with decimator

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Sometimes I swap it with skull crusher or thrust

wicked epoch
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hey chat whats the current best lasgun

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broad question yeah but whats something thats an all rounder

coral willow
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recon mk2?

wicked epoch
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the bulllpup ones?

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how about the rifle ones

uncut pebble
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I like the mk12 lasgun, but some people say it shoots a bit too slowly for their tastes.

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If all else fails, get the mk1. (Or whatever one that isn't the mk4)

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Genuinely just falls to your preferences, tbh.

hearty panther
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they are all perfectly fine

uncut pebble
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Recons are solid if you like automatics instead.

wicked epoch
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which ones a good cadian one

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trying to larp as a cadian

heavy rover
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I use hellbore mk II lasgun

hearty panther
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the most middle of the road of each group would deffo be the Recon 2, Infantry IV, and Helbore I

wicked epoch
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how about the MG Ia?

uncut pebble
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I thought the mk4 infantry was the "light" version of the infantry patterns?

hearty panther
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i dont personally think the Ia now the XII are really all that distinct from each other at all in practice

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the Ia and the* derp

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people always say one shoots faster than the other, and thats true if youre just mashing your clicker

wicked epoch
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are the Ia and XII any good?

hearty panther
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but in an actual match you still have to acquire a target and fire

wicked epoch
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i was told the XII was trash

hearty panther
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most people are not actually using that extra fire rate in any meaningful way

final locust
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what is this magistratum gear

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looks awesome

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whats it from

heavy rover
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I used to use the mg Ia, but I found myself being more ammo efficient and versatile with the hellbore mkii

wicked epoch
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id use that if i had a krieg outfirt

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outfit

heavy rover
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With the hellbore I can consistently take down crushers and mailers with the charged shot. And the special bayonet attack interrupts ragers

hearty panther
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those fucken mailers

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always mailin me their shit

proper delta
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reddit bayonet build goes absolutely crazy

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wicked epoch
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damn mailers

hearty panther
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the box says NO FLYERS

wicked epoch
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i found a funny hipfire bolter build, wish me luck aye

heavy rover
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For the last time dominoes I'm not interested in your pizza, just give me my insurance papers

final locust
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cant lie this has dissapointed me

muted knot
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HOW ?

final locust
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how could they not do this earlier

hearty panther
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do what earlier

final locust
coral willow
final locust
coral willow
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recon is usually ends up with elysian droptroops

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and hellbores are usually end up with kriegs

heavy rover
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Hellbore bayonet is seriously being slept on

coral willow
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it is

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but its not on zealot

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so i will crush

heavy rover
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I charge right into ragers with it in true Krieg fashion

final locust
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instead they did the red and desert camo

muted knot
coral willow
proper delta
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This build slaps

wicked epoch
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any good?

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hearty panther
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uh

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first one is workable

mental cloud
hearty panther
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both blessings are good and you can switch the perks

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that second one tho

wicked epoch
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Useless?

hearty panther
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i wouldnt really bother with unless you have nothing else

wicked epoch
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Thought so

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Thanks

hearty panther
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you could still make it 'okay'

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but its like a sunk cost fallacy

wicked epoch
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I see

hearty panther
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but if you do wanna make it 'okay'

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replace opening salvo with w/e, replace reload speed with w/e

somber axle
shadow aurora
somber axle
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The Boltpistol weirdly gets a lot if benefit from rending to achieve Crusher one shot LOL

somber axle
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Talent tree is there too I think

shadow aurora
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Oh i wasnt paying attention

narrow lake
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Ammo stat isn't great, but the weapon is also quite ammo efficient, so not the end of the world

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In terms of perks, if you could replace carapace with maniac, and then replace ghost with deadly accurate, you'd have something pretty decent. Just a shame about the ammo stat

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I wouldn't worry too much about perk 2. Just replace carapace with maniac, since the weapon will be brutally ineffective against carapace either way, and maniac on the mg 12 helps get a variety of one shot headshots on disablers and specials

tall torrent
narrow lake
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Even makes it serviceable against mutants on weak spot shots

tall torrent
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MG12 needs opening salvo to make breakpoints now

narrow lake
tall torrent
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Outside of exe stance

tall torrent
narrow lake
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I use it all the time, what I just described absolutely works

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Wait, HUH?!

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I'm going to test that shit right now

hearty panther
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it's fine

tall torrent
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MG12 is just shy of 1 tap both gunner/flamer in headshot with flak+maniac without exe stance/MF

narrow lake
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Billions must confirm. Testing it out right now

coral willow
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i really need to make hit&run

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nkw

tall torrent
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Then again zealot doesn’t have suppression immunity so it’s just not very good for zealot

hearty panther
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yeah in general

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momentum gets you 15% damage

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and kantraels have reverse fall off

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so anoint in blood might work

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but the math is just funny enough to make me not bother mentally figuring it out

coral willow
hearty panther
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oh

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honestly no idea

coral willow
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whatthefuck_heresy 👍

tall torrent
narrow lake
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Oh shit, can I not post videos?

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roasted

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What I did notice is that longshot requires me to step back further from the flamer, but it is still absolutely doable oneshot on my shout vet

tall torrent
tall torrent
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remember that killzone is unreliable for breakpoints

radiant chasm
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Mkia hits 2 shot bps extremely easy, mk12 needs to pump up a ton of damage to make oneshot bps and to make them reliable

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The rot consumes

coral willow
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10% crit thing?

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epic

tall torrent
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MG12 needs opening salvo basically

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it's simply way too much point investment otherwise

radiant chasm
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And opening salvo sucks on inflas iirc compared to mk7HH

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Way longer salvo reset time

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Unless they changed that

coral willow
tall torrent
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the idea is that u get opening salvo to enable 1 taps without marksman / MF active

radiant chasm
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Mk3 is a better Hh for zealot

narrow lake
tall torrent
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with marksman active u can 1 tap, and with enough MF stacks u can also 1 tap

narrow lake
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I don't think it is a particularly useful talent

coral willow
toxic leaf
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do i rip pc4 from the right to put on the left

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coral willow
radiant chasm
tall torrent
coral willow
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kills good on BoN tho

narrow lake
tall torrent
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is much worse

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even though killzone is like the 2nd worst +dmg talent in vet tree

narrow lake
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Ehhhhhhh

hearty panther
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i mean

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imagine if it was +melee damage

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that'd be so fukken funny

coral willow
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against everything

tall torrent
coral willow
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not even melee really

tall torrent
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surely that's gotta be important for breakpoints

toxic leaf
tall torrent
hearty panther
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at least it's still 8m and not 12.5

coral willow
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is terrifying barrage still 8m then?

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sucks

hearty panther
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it sucked regardless

toxic leaf
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any reason why not? i thought cleave targes wasnt an important stat on ps6

tall torrent
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it's still bad

tall torrent
trim breach
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this gun worth grabbing?

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narrow lake
# tall torrent opening salvo (talent)

Well either way, using my deadly accurate & headhunter with maniac, I can still get oneshot headshots from a fairly reasonable distance whilst steering clear of exe stance. Longshot tows it over the line

trim breach
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aww i liked the braced guns ;-;

toxic leaf
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what about this one instead, over the PC4 one i have?

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tall torrent
narrow lake
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yup

tall torrent
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what does ur build look like

narrow lake
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I have a clip demonstrating it, but I can't post

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dm?

tall torrent
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sure

dusty sluice
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guh

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shock maul bps?

midnight totem
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No idea

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But they seem pretty generous

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I'd default to manic/flak regardless

heavy rover
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I'll do something out of left field. If you're running Entropic on shock maul, I suggest maniac and block efficiency

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Then, ragers fear you

somber axle
# bitter turtle onslaught brittleness functionally doesnt really do any supporting since by the ...

It has fun synergy when coordinating with a friend. I used to do Onslaught a bunch on my Recon Mk VId pre-Secrets of the Machine God and my Aussie friend would help rip through Crushers with me. But it's less helpful in pugs when most people are busy fighting their own battles and barely coordinate outside of a boss spawn. Plus a lot of people tend to bring a loadout that kills bosses and Crushers in a few seconds anyway. But Onslaught would probably alleviate some of the poor ADM woes of the Shock Maul if an Onslaught Vet maintained the stacks while a Shock Maul Vet kept slapping the boss with it and Recons do ok boss damage with a certain set up so a Shock Maul Vet is just benefiting from what an Onslaught Recon Mk VId Vet is naturally doing anyway. The only trouble is that Shock Maul Vets are very aware their weapon does poor boss damage so they're probably avoiding it against a boss anyway even if Onslaught would have helped

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Recon Onslaught Vet and Twinstubber Gunlugger Ogryn are a fun combo when you play with a friend over voice chat

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I don't even remember what that is

coral willow
somber axle
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It's probably there specifically to help Unyielding and Maniac LOL

uncut pebble
coral willow
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if you call that a wall of text wait till you see my shitty fanfic idea

somber axle
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There was someone here who used a Shock Maul to shock stunlock a Daemonhost in a corner

coral willow
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you can?

somber axle
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The video was goofy

coral willow
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thats something

uncut pebble
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Wait you can stunlock bosses?

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That doesn't seem like it's going to immediately be nerfed at all.

somber axle
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It didn't seem to do much damage but it did keep the Daemonhost stuck so the rest of the team could beat it down

coral willow
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because it isnt

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this is july where fatshark are on vac

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any recordings though?

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feel like DH has too much stagger resis to get stunned

somber axle
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Yeah they shared the recording here

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It was on the new map too

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I can try to find it on the way to work

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I need to finish getting ready for work first though

torn gorge
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DH is the only one you can stunlock

coral willow
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huh.

torn gorge
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Others are just immune

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Or at least it used to be at patch launch

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Maybe they hotfixed it

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Not that it matters much considering its essentially wasted time

wicked epoch
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is this any good

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torn gorge
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Skullcrusher 2 is very sad there

heavy rover
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Yeah, I'd try to get an improved skull crusher or electrifying, then replace stamina with maniac or something

somber axle
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The only cost is eating corruption for fighting it

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Alternatively you can just run from the fight and let the Daemonhost eat them

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But is that behavior something the Emperor would smile on?

torn gorge
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Just face the reality that unless you can burst down a DH it's never worth fighting

somber axle
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I always love fighting them regardless tbh and usually it happens because someone aggro'd them by accident, not intentionally

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It's more fun to save someone

torn gorge
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Unless you have field prep or whatever the name/a full medistation close

somber axle
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I feel like this is another fun vs function moment

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Being down one team mate is less of a problem for you than the corruption damage

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The corruption damage is less of a problem to me than being down one team mate

marble mantle
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Idk I’m more irked than pleased to save someone when they wake a daemon.

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Causes the team unnecessary problems that are typically easily avoidable.

hot canopy
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Daemon is just a friend you haven’t made. Go up and talk to them

somber axle
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Accidents happen so I don't mind

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Usually people just didn't see or hear it

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Then it's too late because they were spamming down a choke

heavy rover
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Yeah give them a snickers bar

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They could just be hungry

hot canopy
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You’re not you when you’re hungry

marble mantle
somber axle
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Plus it's just a fun "oh shit!" moment

hot canopy
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They’re just lonely

heavy rover
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If not friend, why friend shaped

dusty sluice
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none of these worth upgrading right?

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i hate rolling rashads

marble mantle
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If either, probably the second.

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I’d imagine first target is more important than penetration

dusty sluice
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ig

tall torrent
faint beacon
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Hey at least you haven’t been cursed with damage dump stat like I have with all my Rashad’s

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None of them have been above 60

dusty sluice
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i get cursed with 80 mobility

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normally

heavy rover
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One time I got 14 damage

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Literally a pool noodle

faint beacon
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Sharpest Rashad in the shed

dusty sluice
heavy rover
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Damn, was the Omnissiah extra mad that day?

dusty sluice
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it was such a good choice to run in a malestrom

somber axle
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Ooo are we talking about low damage stat

faint beacon
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Do not

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Talk about the 0% Helbore

somber axle
heavy rover
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Ain't no way

faint beacon
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I see this coming from a mile away I already know-

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You will be skinned

somber axle
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My flashlight is here

dusty sluice
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hmmm

heavy rover
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That ain't a flashlight, that's a fancy bayonet holder

somber axle
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I've used it in Aurics because I thought it was funny LOL

heavy rover
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You may laugh but it is the best melee weapon in the game

dusty sluice
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i ran the 3 dmg rashad in a 3veg

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great idea

faint beacon
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Last night I discovered how absolutely stupid Pickaxe can be on a Heavy Hitter Ogryn

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Literally just trying to farm Ordos and got struck with the simply delete hordes by existing

hot canopy
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Just shoot harder

somber axle
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FOUND IT

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Just bully the Daemonhost

hot canopy
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Zap motherfucker

wicked epoch
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i heard the daemonhost could be the wyrmnwood agent from the vox intercepts

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same VA and all that

tall torrent
terse idol
tall torrent
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This is VoC + chorus chain stagger

terse idol
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It's just unclear

tall torrent
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As soon as chorus wore off it started moving again

somber axle
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Oh yeah you right

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I didn't even notice LOL

dreamy ginkgo
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Takes game knowledge to see the effects

marble mantle
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Imagine if it did tho

dreamy ginkgo
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they seem to just be immune to any kind of stun

coral willow
somber axle
coral willow
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was wondering why you posted a video ive already seen kek

somber axle
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Head empty because brain is melting out of my ears

dreamy ginkgo
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good luck surviving that then

somber axle
bitter turtle
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why don't zealots just tape their chorus relic onto their weapon? Are they stupid?

coral willow
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gun ruins their relic

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unlike veteran screams

tame lodge
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Holy Crusher

severe gale
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holy pawesome

tall torrent
severe gale
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super heresy

gilded rock
uncut pebble
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I think it, for lore purposes, has to do with the idea of "invoking" the relic, not just the relic's existence itself, that gives it power.

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The concept of ideas and rituals have power in the warhammer universe, which is how scriptures and whatnot get get their powers.

severe gale
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relic should deal damage to daemon hosts

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or like

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soulburn them

uncut pebble
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Actually, if it did damage, that would be cool.

shadow aurora
severe gale
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it doesn’t even need to be very much damage

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just a little bit for the fun

uncut pebble
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Like just make it an auxiliary node.

severe gale
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no a node would be too much

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nobody would ever take it

shadow aurora
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Voc is honestly just a better chorus

severe gale
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yeah but vet is smelly

shadow aurora
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So applying dot would be fine

shadow aurora
severe gale
shadow aurora
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We swim through sewage all the time

shadow aurora
severe gale
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true

shadow aurora
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like his fire nade

severe gale
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yah

shadow aurora
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yaaah

uncut pebble
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I would say the golden fire would be awesome for a chorus auxiliary node.

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Bursting 2-4 stacks of fire every pulse would make it a lot nicer for dps so you don't get the zealouts that argue "hurr durr you're sacrificing dps by using chorus."

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Would also help significantly in chaff clear when trying to pull off a revive.

dusty sluice
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bricked?

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fleet thicket
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you shouldnt had wasted your plastel on it 😭

dusty sluice
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i saw elites :3

fleet thicket
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cuz the pen is like REALLLY REALLY important on this thing

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like all it has

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is killing elites

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doenst horde clear aswell as anything else

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or can it it kill bosses

dusty sluice
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its not too bad

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could be better

lofty citrus
fleet thicket
dusty sluice
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brunt will not give me good shock maulsss

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always around 60 pen

quick burrow
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are shock mauls the new hotness ?

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im trying to get a good mk6 power sword myself cause im tired of tickling crushers and id rather sneeze on them

fleet thicket
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really they just new

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everyone uses them

dusty sluice
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they are just fun

fleet thicket
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they are really fun yeah

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i think they got one of the best speicals

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i ever seen

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but in term of daamge

dusty sluice
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also high voltage or ligtning reflexes

fleet thicket
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very middle of the road

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and horendesss boss dmage

faint beacon
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They’re like… shovels I suppose?

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They’re good

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They’re not insane meta like PS and Rashad but they’re pretty damn good melee options

fleet thicket
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btw i should ask him but i dont think he is here @tall torrent i think i should change my build when im running power sword and agri hh

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cuz powersword has no use for rending

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quick burrow
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in my quest for a mk6 powersword i somehow came up with this thing whatever is it

wanton dawn
quick burrow
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axe ? like combat axe is > power sword?

hearty panther
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why does your chaxe get a rolling pin

dusty sluice
shadow aurora
quick burrow
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and knife??? man im behind on the melee weapons now

fleet thicket
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bewtween 70% and 80%

quick burrow
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which knife is the meta the newer one?\

dusty sluice
fleet thicket
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from my testing on agni you gonna need 1 extra light attack

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anyway

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i need help tbf

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can someone help me?

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this is my build currently

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should i sactifice

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field improvisation?

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or supression immunity?

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hmm be selfish or help team

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hard to decide 😦

dreamy spade
faint beacon
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Assuming we’re both suffering from a high roll mediocre weapon

fleet thicket
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no?

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i got 76% pen 80 damage 80% ammo 71% stability

faint beacon
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I have a 549 Agri IX the other two HHA are just better is why

fleet thicket
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and i forgot the last one

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no i love agri HH

faint beacon
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It doesn’t stop me from using the Agri trust me

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Just it does feel bad when both Vraks are statistically better

quick burrow
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fear my rolling pin

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faint beacon
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Anyways regarding the HHA build what exactly are you looking to do with it

fleet thicket
stiff vector
fleet thicket
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this thing

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never runs out of ammo

stiff vector
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It hurts my soul

mortal horizon
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there was a gif or video going around a while back someone here posted - it showed why Powersword MK6 was best with brutal momentum. I think slicing zombies with all top blessings and BM cleaved the most.

anyone have that?

fleet thicket
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but for mk3

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sunder

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cuz heavies are all sweeps

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amazing sweeps

heavy rover
stiff vector
tall torrent
stiff vector
tall torrent
heavy rover
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Every bullet a prayer of vengeance -Cadian vet

tall torrent
heavy rover
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I've heard that way too many times... Totally not speaking from experience or anything

mortal horizon
tall torrent
bitter turtle
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havent measure dit or nothing but the speed isnt bad from what i felt

faint beacon
# fleet thicket

Can technically make any keystone build with that as long as you have the Elite Damage, Weakspot and Superiority Complex talents chosen

Again up to personal keystone preference cause I’ve been using HHA with WS lately and have been enjoying it

narrow lake
bitter turtle
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what mod

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that's just the ingame inspect

narrow lake
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Wait, really

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I wonder what that mod did then

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Oh wekl

last parcel
narrow lake
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Was called 'show me real weapon stats' I got great use out of it for awhile, but it started crashing the game after the new patch

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I think I was just conflating vanilla features with that mod

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my bad

last parcel
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that just makes it so the big number is the value you get from an 80 roll

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and it got updated

narrow lake
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Oh nice

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I shall pick it up then

marble mantle
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What perks and blessings for slug shotty?

bitter turtle
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full bore/no respite

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mine is flaniac

marble mantle
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Bet

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Thanks!

visual kestrel
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roll on both pick the best rolled one easy win

bitter turtle
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2

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you dont want to lose a dodge

marble mantle
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Bet

torn gorge
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if only vet could get crusher instead pensive_sad

visual kestrel
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dodge isnt important just change to melee weapon, mobility is the dump stat on all ranged weapons

lilac mesa
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anyone happen to know the weapon that attacks the fastest on veteran?

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feels like one of the tac axes or a dagger

visual kestrel
last parcel
lilac mesa
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yeh ik i just wanted to see how fast i could stack bleed

visual kestrel
junior needle
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Just don't use lacerate

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Serrated is also never going to be giving you any real dot damage no matter which weapon you use, except on bosses

umbral scaffold
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I mean.. They all go down constantly and can't kill anything. But come on, a bunch of randoms can't be wrong!?

junior needle
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I know this very well

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I was doing AM for ASS and the amount of absolute dogshit gear

somber axle
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Time to go Serrated Blade and start spamming lights

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london

austere mica
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Hilarious

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(I am going to kill someone)

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umbral scaffold
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Good practice for dodging, blocking and trying to do a zero damage run.

somber axle
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Yeah who in their right mind would run a triple Stam curios haha

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dusty sluice
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suggestions :3

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thrust, uncanny

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then use it to kill mfs

lilac mesa
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is it just cause tis 1 stack

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# lilac mesa is it just cause tis 1 stack

yeah, by the time you build up enough bleed stacks to anything meaningful, you've probably killed it just from the stabbing
it's mostly just to activate the mercy killer blessing

somber axle
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Ok but hear me out

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4 Vets

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4 Knives

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All with Serrated Blade and Lacerate

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average night in seoul

somber axle
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Weapon Specialist and Trench Fighter Drill for the +25% melee attack speed

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As soon as you see the boss everyone brings out knives and spams lights

junior needle
# lilac mesa really?

Yes. On top of the max being 16, dots also scale nonlinearly. So 16 stack does more damage than 8+8 stacks

lilac mesa
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i see

umbral scaffold
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do yall think all the modifiers for vets stealth are worth it?

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lilac mesa
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yeah that one seems mandatory

magic moss
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anyone got advice on rolling maxed flechette and manstopper for the hacker? i've got a lvl20 zealot to roll them on but i keep getting +4 for flechette and 15% for manstopper.

marble mantle
lilac mesa
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i love it

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lilac mesa
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lets me get double revives off

magic moss
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flechette seems to go to +6 and manstopper to +25% according to gameslantern

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because those technically exist as T4 manstopper and flechette but inaccessible in normal gameplay

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austere mica
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Limbsplitter is basically useless

tall torrent
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Limbsplitter resets CD back to full whenever u hit smth

dusty sluice
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oh lol

austere mica
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It was useful once, and that was because it had an interaction with bayonet without putting it on cooldown

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iron will skippers rise up chadgryn

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sniper shot

umbral scaffold
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Until you make one mistake and lose half your health from a single mob smacking you lol.

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that's why i never make mistakes chadgryn

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the child support doesn't count

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dusty sluice
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i should probably also mess with the blessings for these

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shovelssss

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what if you just use the perfect base and natural carapace damage like norm- oh why am i even asking this

dusty sluice
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shovel

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yo are trench fighter drill and twinned blast worth taking?

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What weapon rating should I upgrade at if i wanna farm for a lvl 4 blessing?

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Cause i wanna be as plasteel efficient as possible

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trench fighter drill, if you can, yes

daring rampart
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procing bleed quicker on multiple enemies can't hurt

last parcel
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it's less about proccing bleed quicker and more about "i just hit this mf in the face" more often

daring rampart
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fax lol

winter grove
tall torrent
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You don’t actually gain 10% faster atk speed

daring rampart
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seriously?

tall torrent
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Anything atk speed related is applied to animation chain values

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Which for melee weapons can vary

winter grove
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I wonder how good standard shovel is with the uncanny strike

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Can it actually take down crushers

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For knife it’s like a 2.3% increase in single target dps in the best case scenario

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General avg there’s almost no dps increase

daring rampart
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damn thx for lmk that frees up some points in my build

tall torrent
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Atk speed is important for slower swinging weapons

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Like combat axe

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I hate fatshark

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junior needle
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SO MUCH

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So it mostly looks snappier but doesn't really do anything?

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junior needle
daring rampart
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also is rending strikes worth using with uncanny or is that rending overkill ?

junior needle
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Here I was taking faithful frenzy on my zealot

junior needle
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Which means that part of the value of t4 uncanny is just wasted

daring rampart
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kek

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another fat shart W?

junior needle
tall torrent
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On most weapons atk speed do help

junior needle
tall torrent
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It’s only for smth like knife where the chain value is so short the avg human doesn’t even reach them consistently without macros

junior needle
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Wait, hold on

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Now you've complicated matters

tall torrent
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Here’s the result for knife

junior needle
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Because I use macros to light and heavy spam KEKW_ogryn

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H1 > PA > PA (single target)

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Best possible recorded dps I reached without +10 atk speed was 3402

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@frank monolith Tried with +10% atk speed and got 3464 highest

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So it’s about a 2.3% increase

junior needle
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What about for light spamming

tall torrent
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In most cases, the avg is somewhere between 3080~3150 if u do it right

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This is not counting any server buffer time in live games

junior needle
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(I run the mk3 and just light spam everything to death because I am lazy)

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with my FT/uncanny

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junior needle
tall torrent
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DT’s input buffer is actually not horrible

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Unlike DRG (before they fixed it)

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U don’t get jank hits from pressing too fast (non-rhythmic)

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+atk speed is mostly relevant for long combo chain time weapons

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Combat axe, thunder hammer, crusher, etc

hearty panther
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+AS isn't strictly DPS

tall torrent
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Also helps a lot with specific attacks on some weapons that have very long chain time

hearty panther
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but yes it isnt like

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a perfectly linear boost

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Like, EV15’s heavy overhead recovers into block absurdly slow

hearty panther
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and some weapons do have slowjank built in

tall torrent
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Atk speed improves that

hearty panther
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its still something youll probably be taking 9/10 times and never feel bad about

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plus it always ends up being a question of pathing

tall torrent
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It’s generally good but not an “always high value no matter what” talent

hearty panther
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faithful frenzy is cheap af to grab

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if youre going WepSpec trench fighter is just the default

tall torrent
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Like on knife zealot u might be getting more value out of desperation instead of atk speed

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If ur point taxed to that

hearty panther
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thats why i grab both

junior needle
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Which one is desperation

tall torrent
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+20% melee dmg for 5s whenever you’re out of stamina

hearty panther
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20% dmg when no stam

tall torrent
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It’s below duellist

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U can refresh this while it’s active

hearty panther
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very sexy

junior needle
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Oh yuck, when stamina is depleted. I'm not pathing there anyway.

tall torrent
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U should tho

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Duellist is basically mandatory for knife

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And desperation is 1 point away

hearty panther
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your stam is almost always depleted

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and often deliberately

tall torrent
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Yea

hearty panther
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its aaaaaaaalmost free damage

tall torrent
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U don’t lose the buff from gaining stamina

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It’s not like AoN where gating 5 stacks is impossible

junior needle
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With momentum + desperation u basically walk into every fight with +35% dmg

junior needle
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It is stealth critmaxxing

tall torrent
junior needle
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This is my only playstyle chadgryn

tall torrent
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Become a momentum desperation enjoyer today

hearty panther
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im doing whatever the fuck this is

junior needle
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The IOD change really fugged my uptime on stealth though

tall torrent
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Desperation is only 3 letters off from desperado and desperado is one of the best talents in the game

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Therefore desperation gotta be good

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but the alternative as a wepspec vet is skirmisher

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so its like

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Buffskirmisherpls

hearty panther
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the crit shot for some guns is pure fun

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also fuck mark boring ass ability booo

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KX hits some bps off it

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probs others

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i just like the memery of it

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such a loaded node lol

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bunch of dodge bonuses too

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"have you ever found zealots inexorable judgement too involved?"

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i wont pretend to have never accidentally giga-dodged myself off a ledge either

winter grove
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Keystoneless vet is good

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I have a build dedicated to ilas without keystones and god damn

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Lasguns

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:)

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The only keystoneless one I can really think of is literally fully diving into every grenade talent with Shredders

marble mantle
faint beacon
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Shredder spam genuinely works

hearty panther
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i mean yeah there's meme shit but just by numbers

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those nodes are free damage

faint beacon
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To prove a point I suppose

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I very rarely run the keystoneless Grenadier

burnt night
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is the bolter pistol any good? how does it compare to just the regular bolter? is it just a weaker bolter but with a few ups like reload speed etc or anything?

faint beacon
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But it’s still pretty fun

hearty panther
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it is exactly a bolter for damage but its drawn and reloaded faster, semi-only, and smaller mag

winter grove
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mm ok. sounds neat. i was just wondering if its even worth trying. im still using my mk12 lasgun from release it sounds like lol

hearty panther
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but its exhilarating

winter grove
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Free toughness over 20% dmg I don't exactly need

lilac mesa
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which dagger do yall like on vet

marble mantle
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I had a vision

Melee weapon for vet. Shock maul and riot shield. It’s a weaker shield than ogryn shield, but the vet can move with it actively blocking, albeit slowly. They can’t attack while blocking obv but with the special attack they can plug their shock maul into the shield to essentially activate a tasing block for anything that hits it with melee

winter grove
faint beacon
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Doesn’t the Bistol lack pen unlike the Bolter

winter grove
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Bistol doesn't cleave unlike Bolter

marble mantle
faint beacon
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If that’s true than that’s the biggest draw back

lilac mesa
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i relaly want a riot shield for my supp build

faint beacon
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Yeah that works

marble mantle
tall torrent
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The whole point of me recommending ghost is so I can bypass the need for ET to tank shooters

marble mantle
hearty panther
faint beacon
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Is lightning reflexes the blessing on Saul that shocks enemies on block

marble mantle
faint beacon
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If so you could… and I’m going out on a limb here

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Stamina based build

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Probably HV + LR?

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So you can dish out more blocks

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True…

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SkC + LR?

marble mantle
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I definitely should get a shock maul with SC and LR because mine rn has SC and HV

faint beacon
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Bulwarks maybe?

hearty panther
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yea LR was cool but mega niche

marble mantle
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Oh yeah right

faint beacon
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Cause you can block their club swings

winter grove
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Okay that's fair

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But at same time one thing I don't like about ketejok's build

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It's good for lasguns

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But how tf do I regen toughness

faint beacon
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I should get the enemy spawner mod and test that out tbh

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faint beacon
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See if LR actually procs on Bulwarks club swing cause you can block that

burnt night
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does the charismatic talent (+50% aura radius) increase the range of commanding shout? i have it selected in an old build but seems pointless. even if it doesnt, does anyone think its still worth taking?

winter grove
marble mantle
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I just kinda wish the axe was more interesting

Sadly it’s just an axe

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I mean it’s fantastic but

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Boring imo

faint beacon
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Its insane don’t get me wrong

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faint beacon
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But it’s just.. bland after a bit

marble mantle
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Oh

marble mantle
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Shock maul fits my enforcer vibe and has some flair to it

hearty panther
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the toughness will reach people cause of the coherency boost pretty sure

winter grove
hearty panther
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but thats all

burnt night
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oh yea ok

winter grove
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I'll swap ET for Iron Will

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Because GOD DAMN

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IT HURTS

faint beacon
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Saul and Shovel are genuinely on par with each other imo

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They’re not meta but they’re extremely good picks

burnt night
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the extra trait added onto voice of command makes it effects allies. so it would extend the range of the allies benefitting from it

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thank u guys for the help

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effects allies in coherency specifically

hearty panther
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toughness is a coherency tho, at least thats the text

burnt night
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the added trait does say it effects allies in coherency though

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still. 8->12 doesnt seem that big of a deal in a game like darktide where you're usually bunched up\

hearty panther
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its a pretty decent boost

burnt night
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again thanks for the help

hearty panther
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but vet has a lot of juicy options

burnt night
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returning player and was looking through my talents

thorn lark
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wait, charismatic affects voc radius?

hearty panther
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yeah im still kinda

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shocked by that change lul

thorn lark
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holy

burnt night
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ok now it sounds like im keeping it lol

thorn lark
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my teamates will never die!

hearty panther
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but the knockback and res remain 9/6m

marble mantle
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Huh honestly sounds pretty good I just don’t know what I’d sack for it

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hearty panther
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thats the rub

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their fault for not being coherency

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let the weak die

burnt night
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share your build with me? a voice of command build if u have one that u can link or something. im using the newer chainsword with a mk12 lasgun.

winter grove
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Maybe I should try gambling for a good rashad on veteran

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Taxe 4 is funny

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But Rashad is funnier

junior needle
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Are we getting some ASS today

faint beacon
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Auric Storm Survivor today

thorn lark
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they give us that just before the blessings rework that will totally change the balance and all the values

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winter grove
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And I am a lucky guy

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Maybe

marble mantle
#

Also I kinda wish smokes were a little more…. Active? I guess? Like maybe put like a bit of damage vulnerability on enemies in it. I just feel like the actual changes it makes to your environment could be better. Breaking LOS is good, right, but it feels kinda hard to take over shredders.

Anyone got any reason that I’m wrong? I’m hearing anyone out because I want to keep using smokes

winter grove
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Just maybe

faint beacon
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have faith chadgryn

junior needle
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What time is that in real hours, 3pm to 5pm?

winter grove
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@tall torrent what's the stats for rashad again

faint beacon
winter grove
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I know unarmored, bromentum and headtaker is mandatory

faint beacon
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Bless the smoke buffs

tall torrent
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High in all 4 dmg related stats

marble mantle
winter grove
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junior needle
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Spaceballs 3 and the quest for more ass

thorn lark
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I am sure S69 favorite game is Ass Effect

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faint beacon
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Spitballing but I think they’re fine

marble mantle
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Or maybe reduce all enemies inside to melee only

thorn lark
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that could work like gaz

tall torrent
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Not quite, am stuck in college

faint beacon
tall torrent
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Also got test on Thursday chadgryn

faint beacon
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All enemies in smoke resort to melee

marble mantle
thorn lark
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buff players inside and/or debuff mobs

tall torrent
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I have tests every week chadgryn

junior needle
marble mantle
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I just graduated

tall torrent
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I have no idea what I’m doing chadgryn

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don't study until thursday morning chadgryn

marble mantle
thorn lark
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i graduated.... 20-ish years ago

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marble mantle
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Terrifying

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curve will save you chadgryn

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marble mantle
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Hmmmm

thorn lark
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Azrael dm leak chadgryn

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thorn lark
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they could do soooo much

marble mantle
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Honestly kinda surprised they didn’t give us more of like a gas than a smoke

lilac mesa
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chat is 240 toughness overkill or is ti based

junior needle
marble mantle
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Fart bomb

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marble mantle
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Smoke should prevent bombers from nading, and mess with mutant / Poxburster tracking

thorn lark
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3 had a very good multiplayer tho

faint beacon
tall torrent
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Idk why smoke messes hound tracking but not mutant

tall torrent
faint beacon
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Okay I may be on some Methhead shit but like

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What if

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Smokes canceled out areas of Poxgas

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Or well effected areas

marble mantle
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thorn lark
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i don't think they can pull that

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we counter strike now chadgryn

marble mantle
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Ugh I would love it

tall torrent
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Just make it so if ur concealed in smoke they can’t bomb u through smoke

faint beacon
thorn lark
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chorus should help dissipate gaz tho

marble mantle
thorn lark
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like reducing the area or the time

tall torrent
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Because the issue is usually not that u need to remove one gas cloud

faint beacon
thorn lark
tall torrent
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The issue is usually 3 pox bombers chucking gas at u from 30m+ away and u don’t have LoS on them

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trophy system blitz chadgryn

marble mantle
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Fire concept

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they said it could not be done

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faint beacon
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True

tall torrent
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Like how in DRG u can shoot creature projectiles down

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that's fucking sick

marble mantle
tall torrent
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I also think Tox bomber is just unreasonably oppressive sometimes

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clay pigeon their ass

marble mantle
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Imo definitely more oppressive than scab bombers

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let dclaw parry the tox bomb backwards and invert the effects

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oops it got cancelled by a groaner swipe

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Also a rad concept is like smoke interactions. Like, igniting the smoke basically just made it a huge fireball. Shocking the smoke electrocuted all enemies inside. Just an interesting concept, which will never happen.

I love stuff like that, like any of y’all play spell break? Where you could mix elements?

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faint beacon
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I literally call them “Get Down Mr President” Incidents

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If someone goes down cause of it

tall torrent
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Especially when this game’s smoke explicitly wants players to be inside them

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winter grove
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I can't even do my russian bias bit because only kapkan is the good spetsnaz operator now

marble mantle
winter grove
#

Glaz got killed with thermal rework
Fuze got collateral damaged by Ace nerfs
Tachanka rework

winter grove
faint beacon
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Wdym

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My son Fuze

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Got collated

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faint beacon
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WHAT DID THEY DO

last parcel
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the hostage had enough of his shit

marble mantle
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The last time I played siege was when ash got nerfed like the first time 😭

winter grove
faint beacon
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Fucking Love Fuze lmao

winter grove
#

He and Fuze got same guns

faint beacon
#

Oh no

winter grove
#

Guess who's gun got nerfed along Ace's

faint beacon
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Fuze… Sitgryn

winter grove
faint beacon
#

On days like this I weep

winter grove
#

Peak ubisoft balancing

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ubishafted

faint beacon
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Blitz rework his shield flashbangs you now with unskippable ads

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True Ubisoft fashion

winter grove
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Remember the blackbeard

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Remember the Lion

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li omegalul n

winter grove
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Remember how ubisoft nerfed Assault rifles so much that LMGs became meta

faint beacon
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Yup

winter grove
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The fucking meme weapon class

faint beacon
#

Always stayed loyal to the hockey puck launcher

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Even though I’d risk a coin toss of getting kicked lmao

#

Fuze mains on S Watch cause of sweaty players

winter grove
#

I remember saying that maverick needs his frags back to be a good operator and I got hit with a "you play him wrong"

#

I guess sorry for playing an FPS like an FPS

faint beacon
#

Breaching charge + Fuze clusters my beloved

tall torrent
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If u like tactical shooter stuff like siege

coral willow
faint beacon
#

I just never really had a reason to play it yet

tall torrent
faint beacon
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SWAT 4 you mean

tall torrent
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It is similar to swat4 yea

faint beacon
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Iirc the devs took direct inspiration from SWAT

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Realizing I should get ARMA as well eventually

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junior needle
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marble mantle
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Darktide refuses to give me a usable version of either of the shotguns I need

#

I am going to take out my anger on heretics

faint beacon
#

Well it’s I either take my anger out on heretics or Shambling corpses with yellow (or blue or red) glowing eyes

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nazi zombies with jaundice

faint beacon
#

Realize how much time I wasted on zombies alone

#

Played since WAW

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Hell realizing I should actually play the Verdun games cause I just never bothered too

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faint beacon
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Oh damn nice

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i barely see anyone on verdun and tannenburg

#

just isonzo

faint beacon
#

I got Isonzo back when it was on sale during spring

#

I should probably play that first

#

Look man I’m a huge loser for WW1 history thus I’m automatically going to play WW1 games

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it'll be fun if you don't run into zab KEKW_ogryn