I have trouble giving up the DT OST when playing 
#veteran-class
potent iris
untold hull
sinners, all of you
severe gale
instead of a caveman discovering fire
marble mantle
I have trouble giving up the DT OST when playing <:lul:825836255853674540>
For the most part, same. I don’t really put on my own music much, only if I need a change of pace
If I listen to my own music it’s because I need to lock in
faint beacon
I physically cannot play DT without its OST in the background that or Songs based off Darktide
marble mantle
Oh btw finally finished all the penances for vet! Woohoo!
I started with Psyker, moved to Ogryn, then zealot, and my favorite class is the last, vet.
Haven’t finished all the penances on any other, although I finished all the Psyker ones before they added more
iron marten
Tech Death is a great choice too! Those From the Heavens Who Came by Inferi is a great listen for games. Just give the first song of the album a listen!
marble mantle
Tech Death is a great choice too! Those From the Heavens Who Came by Inferi is a...
Ooh will do. I like earlier Thy Art is Murder and Archspire too, I think they qualify
iron marten
Can never go wrong with Archspire
marble mantle
In the absolute shit waist up in heretic guts listening to drone corpse aviator
marble mantle
Tech Death is a great choice too! Those From the Heavens Who Came by Inferi is a...
Listening to it rn this bumps
iron marten
This year is great for metal. In the black metal side, Akhlys drops a new album, Aetheria Conscientia drops a new weird prog black metal album, on the death metal side, Nyktophobia drops a banger of an old-school melodeath album
iron marten
Listening to it rn this bumps
Still my favourite album from them
I have one more recommendation: The Black Throne of Chaose Abandoned by Executus. Top tier Blackened Thrash metal, and it’s warhammer themed lyrically 
marble mantle
Oh damn, will check it out then
Does vet have like, an in depth guide? Ppl said Psyker and Ogryn each have one but I figured I’d ask
candid agate
do we have new commodore cosmetics or nah?
severe gale
Does vet have like, an in depth guide? Ppl said Psyker and Ogryn each have one b...
look in pins
there are some guides in there
marble mantle
Thanx
severe gale
What
pygex made a super in depth psyker guide
pinned in psyker chat
the psyker athenum
Atheneum
fading yarrow
Spent a ton of time trying to get my Zealot weapons adequate and they're still bad
Hopped over to Vet to try to get a good shotgun for a support build I want to try for Flawless Execution
And by the Golden fraggin' Throne,
severe gale
955 worked hard on that
i havent read it
i was just basing it off of that it says its only for the weapons
idk if it goes into depth about the techs of the class n such
heavy rover
would falter and high voltage work for the indignatus mk iii shock maul?
thinking if it can stagger ragers out of their attack pattern
heavy rover
oooh interesting. ill gve it a look
tall torrent
i was just basing it off of that it says its only for the weapons
Mine is not only for weapons
tall torrent
I went in-depth in just about everything there is to talk about for veteran
Talent tree, weapons, game mechanics, all weapon blessings, enemy breakdown, etc
Only have 3 sections I haven’t done yet
Curio & defense
Major stagger breakpoints
Example builds
I can send u what it looks like rn
The pinned version (old) is outdated by several months
heavy rover
Curio & defense
Major stagger breakpoints
Example builds
i'm curious to see how those look
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i'm curious to see how those look
I can send u a link to what it looks like rn, curios is ~40% complete
pallid jetty
heavy rover
ah sorry i was referring to the stagger breakpoints
tall torrent
ah sorry i was referring to the stagger breakpoints
For stagger breakpoints I’m only going to cover the big ones like interrupting crusher/mauler overhead, breaking rager combo, stopping mutant, etc
Everything else don’t matter much
arctic rampart
I tested out the new sunder +20% heavy damage on power sword (for me mk3). It seems more fun cause heavies are engaging. But it's IMO still worse than brutal momentum.
Definitely better than before and you should try it out it is fun
dusty sluice
*she :3
severe gale
lmfao
terse idol
severe gale
im DMing 955 about it rn lol
sinful swallow
dusty sluice
Im trans lol
dusty sluice
Guh
tall torrent
now we need one for zealot
if I ever feel like it I might try
doubt it tho 
I did futureproof it by reducing stagger rating of weapons like antax/tac axe/standard shovel down to 9
cuz they're very obviously not on the same stagger strength as zealot's crusher (which would be a 10)
even though they can stagger more enemies than crusher (mutant on weakspot)
severe gale
if I ever feel like it I might try
youd have plenty of help at least
josho wrote a long ass guide for just the crusher alone
tall torrent
youd have plenty of help at least
the main hurdles are:
- I'm lazy
- zealot doesn't have as consistent breakpoints as veteran (more conditional/RNG)
severe gale
yeah true
tall torrent
and also zealot's exclusive melee weapons kinda need more explanation
the 2 thunder hammers would need 1 page each
the 2 evicerators too
also zealot doesn't need minmax nearly as much as veteran
severe gale
hm
yeah
the guide would be much more just
lenient in general
builds arent as tight
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builds arent as tight
I like zealot's most weapons being able to work with all 3 keystones well
compared to vet
faint beacon
Vet it’s usually like
arctic rampart
there are keystones that aren't weapon specialist?
faint beacon
Oh this gun you can use these two keystones
And that’s about it
That third one? We don’t talk about it with that weapon
tall torrent
there are keystones that aren't weapon specialist?
FT is quite literally free dmg (and it matters a lot for some weapons)
tall torrent
That third one? We don’t talk about it with that weapon
helbore WS
faint beacon
I guess an example could be like FT and MF for the HHAs
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weapon specialist helbore users rise up 
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Do Not use WS with the HHAs
i use wep spec v7 with an uncharged psword
faint beacon
I find that hard to believe
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I find that hard to believe
WS + agile engagement makes vraks 3 nearly double in dps vs crushers
it's one of the few guns that benefit from both +crit and +RoF
faint beacon
I’m very much used to idea that HHAs are just the guns you use for click on head to win so I tend to take a more passive route with it
I should try it tbh see if it even works lmao
Fucking
Vraks 9 WS
white minnow
i stan v7 weapon spec
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Vraks 9 WS
when did they make a vraks 9
severe gale
i did
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no it’s the agri ix
tall torrent
I should try it tbh see if it even works lmao
faint beacon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQkZWxDGQ4
That is actually dumb
I should make it later
muted gorge
I wanna make a recon lasgun build work and i cant find an up to date build guide. Like what blessings do i want and any necessary talents?
torn gorge
depends what is the role of the lasgun in your build
drowsy aspen
Mine isn't optimal, but I think Head Hunter + Infernus is aight
torn gorge
dum dum over infernus
drowsy aspen
I have Dumdum and Infernus and it's quite good on the VId
torn gorge
for vet generally
drowsy aspen
Dumdum and Head Hunter, you heard it here!
torn gorge
you want a crit boosting perk as 2nd one to help with dps/ammo efficiency
drowsy aspen
Exactly exactly- the ammo efficiency thing rules
torn gorge
thats a bold statement
terse idol
Shock trooper is alright
drowsy aspen
My buddy mocked my recon lasgun gameplay for me just holding M1, but it's super fun
faint beacon
Mine isn't optimal, but I think Head Hunter + Infernus is aight
Running Sneakys joke build and pulled this off with HH + Infernus last night
drowsy aspen
thats a bold statement
Whaaat- it seems super fun!
drowsy aspen
Running Sneakys joke build and pulled this off with HH + Infernus last night
Bro cooked here...
torn gorge
its more of a case that shock troopers helps an otherwise relatively ammo inefficient weapon
faint beacon
It’s vile the amount of debuffs that get stacked
drowsy aspen
LISTEN - Infernus has utility
I fucking adore shooting something and having it die behind a corner from burn
Would Dumdum have killed it outright?
...maybe!
But the fire is cool
faint beacon
Me watching the dog I peppered run around a corner and die to 200+ damaging burn ticks
terse idol
its more of a case that shock troopers helps an otherwise relatively ammo ineffi...
Which is fiine
torn gorge
same as bleed
drowsy aspen
Me watching the dog I peppered run around a corner and die to 200+ damaging burn...
REAL
untold hull
there are keystones that aren't weapon specialist?
I know right? Marksman is surprisingly fun
just had a match with it because of an earlier convo and it's genuinely really enjoyable lol
drowsy aspen
...I'm also just used to fire being good because I'm an Achlys gunlugger ogryn at heart
faint beacon
I tend to use Marksman Focus and WS the most
Even though FT is literally free damage
It seriously doesn’t interest me
drowsy aspen
I kinda love FT
faint beacon
...I'm also just used to fire being good because I'm an Achlys gunlugger ogryn a...
Shock trooper with Surv on the recons is so hilarious, actual pocket helgun
untold hull
Witch Hunter Captain's +20% damage on tagged enemies but turned into a talent tree lol
torn gorge
drowsy aspen
I love it- just rinsing down enemies with the Accatran
Feels like in Astartes when the Multilaser (or whatever that gun was) just RINSES down that corridor
untold hull
and I'm having fun with the sniper shotgun
drowsy aspen
I really need to run WS reload with the shotgun
My buddies have really enjoyed the build
faint beacon
God there’s a certain blessing combo on the Slug Shotgun that’s just the epitome of “Carapace or Rager? Stunlocked imbecile”
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and I'm having fun with the sniper shotgun
drowsy aspen
Is there a shotgun that's always slugs?
prisma mesa
favorite weapon pair for weapon specialist GO
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tactical axe recon vi
hearty panther
ye taxe agrip revo is my 2nd fave
fleet birch
sniper shotgun best weapon in game
pseudo fiber
thank you brunt
somber axle
favorite weapon pair for weapon specialist GO
Chainsword Mk XIIIg and Recon Mk VId
I like just turning off my brain and going full speed blender mode into things
Even better with a Celerity stim
Out of ammo? Chainsword blender time
I grab Kraks with the combo and have helped save a few people from unlucky Daemonhost aggro with the loadout
Love it so much
dusty sluice
found that i had this, any good?
somber axle
found that i had this, any good?
You've got the good blessings and a very good stat roll. Ranged weak spot damage is bad but the weapon is still ok. I would recommend Flak over crit chance tbh but crit chance is also an ok perk
dusty sluice
im pretty sure i was using it as a meme gun before the patch lol
theres been no changes that will make builds from 2 patches ago bad right?
dusty sluice
Unless it's zealot
oh no what changed
dusty sluice
ah oki
lost epoch
or do I take this one and swap the blessings to mercy and uncanny
basically which perks are better
faint beacon
found that i had this, any good?
I don’t recall which variant is better than the other for Infernus but HH paired with Infernus or DD is really damn good now
Bless the Recon buffs
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I don’t recall which variant is better than the other for Infernus but HH paired...
VId is the infernus enjoyer
somber axle
Yeah
It is nice to see the clown horde grow
We will fill every street, alley and corner of the city with carnival music and enough lasfire to confuse people into thinking there's a rave
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faint beacon
Still holding onto this like a gem lmao
somber axle
radiant chasm
recon is good now
somber axle
I like seeing the difference in ammo efficiency
Someone took 11 tins, 3 packs and 1 hit of an ammo crate but still trailed behind you on damage and kills
You were the least ammo thirsty squad member and still killed the most
faint beacon
I click on enemies head
And they get tagged with 4 debuffs
And die instantly
Very simple life
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Someone took 11 tins, 3 packs and 1 hit of an ammo crate but still trailed behin...
they need to get on my level
torn gorge
favorite weapon pair for weapon specialist GO
thats a very easy answer: rashad/revolver 
which coincidentally also scales better the faster the pace is
somber axle
they need to get on my level <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Could you imagine seeing an 8 for ammo crate pick ups?? LMFAO
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i'd never
faint beacon
Could you imagine seeing an 8 for ammo crate pick ups?? LMFAO
Me farming lucky bullets for the Ogryn penance
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i did it on vet too
somber axle
The true power move to flex on your team
Eat all the rations and make the Ogryn watch
gilded rock
I killed her with my mind (run n gun bug)
gilded rock
be crime do gay
lost epoch
new knife time
gilded rock
mercy to lacerate and it's usable
lost epoch
fr?
faint beacon
On a serious note Uncanny is what you’d want
If you run the serrated blade talent
You could get away with keeping mercy
lost epoch
uncanny over mercy? I run serrated yeah
tall torrent
And pairing Flech + Manstopper on DB
Flechette is only 4 stacks on DB
faint beacon
Save it for the uh crafting rework
tall torrent
It’s horrible
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Flechette is only 4 stacks on DB
faint beacon
Now I should make a stupid one
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Now I should make a stupid one
Terrifying barrage + flechette
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scattershot + flechette + deadshot + opening salvo + crit chance node + crit chance perk
gilded rock
I think Shatfark forgot to remove the spawn locations in this tunnel when they blocked it off
faint beacon
The fucking LTG gif, WE FLECHETTE. LACERATE. FLESH TEARER!
faint beacon
how importnat
IAG
gilded rock
Stability never important if arm strength good
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faint beacon
not very important at all
I need to make that if I get the chance
WE FLECHETTE. LACERATE. FLESH TEARER!
faint beacon
Absolutely
tall torrent
how importnat
It’s fine
Swap fire frenzy to dum dum tho
faint beacon
is this good?
Actually I’m extremely jealous of you I Want that gun
Give me that gun
tall torrent
My mouse wheel broke 
fleet thicket
It’s fine
Swap fire frenzy to dum dum tho
okay i see so its fine not perfect XD
i dont know how much recoil graia
has tbf
tall torrent
It’s the lowest recoil IAG
faint beacon
compared to the other IAGs
AAIG is good Cleave and Damage but it has rather hefty recoil but it’s still controllable, GIAG is overall good neutral so I’d say it’s fine as is right now hold onto it for the upcoming itemization update
tall torrent
time to conjure the power of isopropanol and hope this fixed my mouse wheel
fleet thicket
thanks then
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you can't hide, sinner
dusty sluice
how about this for recon las lol
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how about this for recon las lol
yeah that's pretty normal
fading yarrow
This build just might be The One to get me through Flawless Execution
Playing Ryken XIV's Combat Commander, I have Voice of Command available every 15 seconds or so
fleet thicket
I might be weird
But I run that gun with infiltrate build
I basically use it like IAG
With headhunter and dum dum
pallid jetty
i like the slowest one
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2, 6d, or 7a?
2 or 7
7 if you prefer the cleave and slow fire rate
pallid jetty
easier to manage ammo
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it also spends 2 ammo per shot so there's that to deal with
wild vortex
Righto
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2, 6d, or 7a?
This has more info
#veteran-class message
toxic leaf
i finally got a good rashad the otehr day and have been using it extensively. i cant believe i ever doubted it
austere pine
how do i have 2 vets on my team and both of them have 0 grenades
do people just... never take stockpile?
fading yarrow
Were they low level
austere pine
like they could be higher levels but idk. don't have the mod
terse idol
do people just... never take stockpile?
Gotta dodge stockpile like the plague
Out of principle
austere pine
i think i need to fix my revolver build actually
cuz i removed stockpile at soome point and forgot to change it back
drifting oak
get a team of 3 people who literally ignore all specials
I c a n n o t shield every single one of you from EVERY single trapper and dog and flamer and e v e r y t h i n g
this shit is why I play mg4 las
drifting oak
isn't it? the names are cut off the top
junior needle
the bottom
junior needle
drifting oak
point is
I literally cannot reload the revolver fast enoug
and then I just run out of ammo
between all the elites and specials I'm trying to do work on
even doing melee weave reloads kill trash->pop
just, too much coming in to protect the team
yes I know "zarona is busted" but like
legitimately speaking for pub teams I think you have to be more proactive
5 shots isn't enough
give me the 65 in an mg4
wary galleon
Shock Maul or Power Sword? Cause Zealot has the Thunder Hammers
ah mb i meant the shock maul
midnight totem
5 shots is enough for most priority targets
And if its not, your teammates need to be better
junior needle
The downside is that you cannot force your teammates to be better
midnight totem
Of course you can. Play your absolute best, lead by example. Show them the Emperor's fury courses through you
Also put absolute idiots on your blacklist
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ddos them so they get replaced
tough tiger
Finally a good solution
faint beacon
@somber axle Total Recon Victory
wild vortex
<@164192519465205760> Total Recon Victory
What were the Psyker and Zealot even doing
wild vortex
Ah
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intimidated by the blinding light of the recon
somber axle
<@164192519465205760> Total Recon Victory
drifting oak
seriously, you HAVE to do all the taggable work in a pug party
55 gunner elite kills
also all those shooters
revolver simply can't do shooter cleanup work to keep them off of teammates who don't know where to stand on maps and how to slide
faint beacon
I keep rolling for a better Rashad
and it keeps making the fucking damage the dump stat
nothing above 60%
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@faint beacon wanna play
faint beacon
Gonna see if I can get some Ordo Curios real quick and then I should be open
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how long
faint beacon
Uhhh probably about a minute longer
just throwing together an ordo docket curios for this so I can farm ordos
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Ok
stone relic
best veteran gun in your opinion? been runnig revolver a while wanna switch it up
toxic leaf
depends on what you want to do
revolver or plasma for specialist sniping, iag5 for mid to close range shredding
austere pine
ayo man fuck zealot chat
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warped gazelle
https://tenor.com/view/mauzymice-mauzy-mauzy-mice-silly-silly-cat-gif-1656206316...
Charges in
faint beacon
warped gazelle
I have been summoned
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@faint beacon u coming back?
warped gazelle
Another cute fur ahhh
faint beacon
@tall torrent Got dragged to go do something
so most likely not
"Urgent" apparently
Go on without me soldier 🫡
coral willow
@tall torrent do you need deparado to oneshot certain enemies with rashad?
brusiers are proving to be a quite a tough nut to crack without one
faint beacon
Rashad's are just Difficult to hit that perfect 1 Hit BP but when you get one with it
literally the best melee in the game
coral willow
you saw my 68 finesse rashad
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<@366562874039992331> do you need deparado to oneshot certain enemies with rasha...
Like what
faint beacon
you saw my 68 finesse rashad
weeps
coral willow
dreg bruisers
faint beacon
Nonetheless With all the other stats its still a very good Rashad
coral willow
Nonetheless With all the other stats its still a very good Rashad
well ht4 bm4 unarmored carapace
probably best ill ever get
problem is it doesnt seem to oneshot stuff at times
bruisers in particular
2 swings gets annoying
faint beacon
Could be the Finesse stat fucking you over seeing its adding to WP damage
faint beacon
Nonetheless
itemization eventually
if you can stomach it if you cant get yourself one with Higher Finesse
you can just hold onto your current and obviously upgrade it
once that update drops
coral willow
nevertheless uh its a godroll
coral willow
has higher stats than my zealot one kek
faint beacon
if it can wipe out Pox and groaners in like 2 seconds
I consider it a win in my book lmao
coral willow
if it can wipe out Pox and groaners in like 2 seconds
this is on zealot
and this is psyker
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least for vet path recommended unarmored <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
Unarmored is the important one for Rashad on veteran
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For psyker idk what perks u want on Rashad
coral willow
went with flak unarmored for safe bet
faint beacon
went with flak unarmored for safe bet
Thats the safest combo you can do with the Rashad imo
covers the usual trash horde enemies
Flak helm dregs, Bruisers, Groaners and Poxwalkers
fiery wave
Take melee perks idk man
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Take melee perks idk man
Rashad does want unarmored for bruisers (at least on veteran) idk what else to tell u
Without unarmored you’d need like every single +dmg node available to hit scab bruiser 1HS breakpoint
fading yarrow
I'm petrified
Still using the Commander build, did all of these matches since getting it set up earlier today
Highest I've gotten is 11
junior needle
Go on without me soldier 🫡
faint beacon
Highest I've gotten is 11
it only gets worse when you get to 14/15
fiery wave
100% penance gang
junior needle
https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-1052816639480419279...
Now in video format
fug lemme clip it correctly
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fug lemme clip it correctly
things you don't want to hear your barber say
fading yarrow
I'm already playing like a gremlin but I'm going to be doubling the gremlin dosage for the final five matches
Like, I'll either find a team from this server or I'll convince a friend to play Ogryn bodyguard
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junior needle
I do not have video editor software so I had to make do with free tools
Also what is the "Commander" build
marble mantle
I am irked
fading yarrow
Also what is the "Commander" build
Ryken XIV's Combat Commander build, a YouTuber
junior needle
Lemme guess, it's the totally original ping keystone and overshout combo
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Ryken XIV's Combat Commander build, a YouTuber
is it this one
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa8b2cd-a451-4932-98a9-7dcbd80d25ae/combat-commander
killzone enjoyers rise up
fading yarrow
https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-1052816639480419279...
Something like this almost killed my run on mission 10 btw
Consignment Yard no modifiers, data interrogation segment control tower, teammate let a Pox Burster past them and it sent me out the window. I thought I went into the pit but I landed on the bridge by my very toes
marble mantle
I am irked
Did a damnation with a vet a Psyker and a zealot. Other vet came in with 3 wound curios, and lost literally all of them within less than 2 minutes. Zealot had, either 1 or 2 wound curios, can’t remember, and went down twice in the first two minutes. Psyker was fine iirc. I was willing to like push on and let it slide yk whatever maybe it’ll get better but then one of them straight up kills 2 of us instantly with a barrel
hollow ibex
grinding for ASS is one of the things that made me rage quit the the game.
marble mantle
I just left. Was not about to deal with the rest of it
hollow ibex
i sure love losing streaks because of the servers making the game literally unplayable
fading yarrow
is it this one
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa8b2cd-a451-4932-98a9-...
Yep, that's the one
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max rizz build
fading yarrow
Lemme guess, it's the totally original ping keystone and overshout combo
And I feel no shame
I have failed this penance too many times and I'll cheese my way through it until I can legally change my name to Wallace and adopt a dog named Grommit
junior needle
The shotgun is uh
A curious choice, as is kill zone
Born leader is also much less effective than it seems
fading yarrow
I've been shocked at how effective the shotgun is so far tbh, I used to hate it
junior needle
It's basically just revolver just wonkier
marble mantle
Which sg
junior needle
Agri
marble mantle
I gotta get the other ones I’ve only really gotten into db
junior needle
It's about what I expect from a youtuber setup
Mostly there but weird choices and perhaps not fully optimized
hollow ibex
It's about what I expect from a youtuber setup
idk if you've watched ryken stuff but his vids are very well-researched
his builds are more thematic though
fading yarrow
Mostly there but weird choices and perhaps not fully optimized
I'm not confident about changing the build up so far into the run but if you have any advice to make it better I'm open to it
Btw, the Talent Tree was a pain in the ass to set up, because I initially followed his seven month-old video's screenshot and just copied the pattern and didn't discover until recently that the Tree was changed between then and now and a third of my Talents were wrong lol
junior needle
I'm not confident about changing the build up so far into the run but if you hav...
Longshot and kill zone are of very inconsistent benefit, especially in higher difficulties where things are swarming to and around you constant. Long shot can get you over the hump on some breakpoints you barely can't reach though, mostly notably with plasma.
I heard some people talk about how the changes to close range also (negatively) affected long shot but I haven't confirmed that for myself.
Born leader, as I mentioned, is very low value due to how much it actually gives, and also the nature of when you need toughness. Drip feeding your teammates tiny bits of toughness over time doesn't help much when the times you really need toughness is when it goes from 100 to 0.
You could take those 3 points and put them into deadshot/fully loaded/superiority, or go for recip and desperado
(or cqz and desperado)
fading yarrow
Could you remind me what all those do? I think I've only used 'em once or twice
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Could you remind me what all those do? I think I've only used 'em once or twice
deadshot is +crit on ads but it drains stamina over time and per shot
fully loaded is 25% more ammo
superiority complex is +15% elite dmg
junior needle
marble mantle
Yo if I’m trying to make like a sort of “enforcer” build, like essentially a grimdark CO, what ranged weapon y’all think I should pick? Thematically speaking. Shock maul is a mandatory, since it’s essentially a stun baton
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Yo if I’m trying to make like a sort of “enforcer” build, like essentially a gri...
boltpistol
laspistol
one of these
marble mantle
Bet. Good idea
fading yarrow
I meant the ones that Backup explained lol
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Yo if I’m trying to make like a sort of “enforcer” build, like essentially a gri...
you can also do shotgun for a breacher type role
lawbringer for name synergy
marble mantle
you can also do shotgun for a breacher type role
True true
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try all of them
marble mantle
I’ll probably get one of each so I can switch off
marble mantle
try all of them <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Same wavelength
faint beacon
@tall torrent If you have a good WS + Vraks III build to suggest toss it my way
I should be getting back on here soon
tall torrent
I should be getting back on here soon
ok
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coral willow
is that a bolter
fading yarrow
I'll probably swap out Killzone and Born Leader for Fully Loaded and Superiority Complex
Longshot treats me too good when there's a boss a mile away that I can divest of half its health before it reaches the team
And the more I think about it, Born Leader is pretty useless to me since I've been staying pretty far away from situations where I'm regaining Toughness on melee kills
Voice of Command does indeed fill the Toughness demand in every scenario, and I almost always have it available every 15 seconds
Thanks for the tips btw
marble mantle
So for the enforcer build I’m thinking VOC, which is kind of a given, but what nade and keystone do y’all think?
The main concept is control and priority, so maybe FT?
Dunno bout the nade though
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if only we had zealot flashbang
marble mantle
That’s the dream huh
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throw frags to clear kids room
marble mantle
I guess frags or smokes, but I mean, I never run krak anyway lol, so it was between those two to begin with
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i was also thinking smoke as a proxy for tear gas but that's more riot cop than swat team breacher
marble mantle
I would definitely put myself more on riot cop
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Maybe I just don't know how to use it but I feel like Smoke is kinda pointless
marble mantle
So maybe smoke then I guess I didn’t think about tear gas
I kinda fw how this is coming out
Got me feeling a little bit like a space marine. If only my character yapped a little less.
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If you want to stick with the theme then go Smoke, but Frag is just the better option of the two imo
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But I'm also a Krakhead so my perspective is very limited
marble mantle
Krak is alright
Yea I just dont like the purpose it serves
Anything it does, I can do just slightly slower with something else
Frags and smokes I feel serve me a real benefit
I mean shit, frags against a boss give me dot
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My main loadout uses Krak, Grenade Tinkerer, Twinned Blast, Demolition Stockpile and Grenadier
Nothing survives
Horde? Gone
Mauler/Crusher mob? Not anymore
marble mantle
Also does anyone know how many stacks of bleed the Saul special applies with serrated? I would assume just 1 but like who knows
With this game could be for every proc
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My main loadout uses Krak, Grenade Tinkerer, Twinned Blast, Demolition Stockpile...
are you throwing kraks into hordes
stiff glacier
marble mantle
Any changes y’all would suggest to the riot cop build
If serrated isn’t worth it I might run sprint eff node on the top
pallid jetty
Any changes y’all would suggest to the riot cop build
id pick 5% chance to get grenade instead of bleed
marble mantle
id pick 5% chance to get grenade instead of bleed
Damn imma have a lot of smokes
I already got minute regen
pallid jetty
smokes require a lot of spam
marble mantle
smokes require a lot of spam
Fair
pallid jetty
they're not very useful if you dont have them
marble mantle
True
pallid jetty
id pick kraks+mid aura
marble mantle
Imma take smokes but I mean I could take mid aura, I’ve just heard it’s kinda niche
I do want all the dmg I can get though
marble mantle
Preferably. I mean, like, range and melee. Lol
pallid jetty
well, the bleed is still not good cause its just 1 stack
marble mantle
Yeah nah you’re right I just didn’t know what else to pick
pallid jetty
i dont understand this perk
junior needle
Any changes y’all would suggest to the riot cop build
Yeah you only really take serrated with a mercy knife.
pallid jetty
fast reviving? for glass cannon?
junior needle
Lemme take a look at replacements
pallid jetty
almost glass cannon but still
junior needle
What weapon are you using?
marble mantle
What weapon are you using?
Indig Saul, and either bistol or lawbringer
pallid jetty
id think about picking -0.25 seconds for stamina regen delay
marble mantle
fast reviving? for glass cannon?
Still nice to have. Just one talent point for it and I also get cc from the point above
pallid jetty
and there is a 10% toughness damage reduction near iirc
junior needle
Not terribly familiar with either of those guns but you'll probably want deadshot over supp immunity on the shotgun
marble mantle
Not terribly familiar with either of those guns but you'll probably want deadsho...
Can work with that
I always like having leave no one behind. Just big nice to me
Easy to clutch with it
pallid jetty
i figured
marble mantle
Still figuring things out
pallid jetty
well good that you're asking questions
marble mantle
Yeah I always run my builds thru here
pallid jetty
supp immunity is good if you want to stay behind and try to headshot people
marble mantle
Ohhh okay
junior needle
When you're loading special shells your stamina regens, so deadshot has better utility than it might seem
Also the lower fire rate on them
marble mantle
When you're loading special shells your stamina regens, so deadshot has better u...
Where’s the stam one
pallid jetty
if you cant really engage in melee with shooters, and you just have to shoot them
unless you use auto-lasguns, with them you also dont need supp immunity
or autoguns
marble mantle
Ooh duck and dive could be good if I’m running dead shot right
So many good talents
marble mantle
what is duck and dive and dead shot
Dead shot is lose stam on aiming for cc and sway reduction
pallid jetty
what is cc
marble mantle
Duck and dive is stam back on avoiding range by dodging sprint and slide
Critical chance
Do people not use cc here?
pallid jetty
i never run dead shot, i need stamina if i suddenly have 20 poxwalkers on my ass
marble mantle
i never run dead shot, i need stamina if i suddenly have 20 poxwalkers on my ass
I somehow end up there anyway
pallid jetty
not saying its bad
i usually have enough ammo with las weapons
(cause im just good headshotting and critting)
thorn lark
suppression immunity with a shotgun?..
shotguns, laspistol, autopistol and helbores have suppression immunity
marble mantle
Controller make life hard sometimes
pallid jetty
shotguns, laspistol, autopistol and helbores have suppression immunity
with the blessing*
that turns on only on headshot*
thorn lark
no, it's baked in the weapon
pallid jetty
Duck and dive is stam back on avoiding range by dodging sprint and slide
whats duck and dive
thorn lark
also plasma has it
marble mantle
whats duck and dive
The message says it
It’s a talent on the right side below infiltrate
pallid jetty
i dont remember them all
^
pallid jetty
too hard to just say it?
marble mantle
too hard to just say it?
Homie
Duck and dive is stam back on avoiding range by dodging sprint and slide
junior needle
unless you use auto-lasguns, with them you also dont need supp immunity
Recons had very big spread on ads when being suppressed, although it has supposedly been toned down
marble mantle
I said it already
junior needle
It was indeed said #veteran-class message
pallid jetty
Recons had very big spread on ads when being suppressed, although it has suppose...
i have no problems shooting still
thorn lark
that turns on only on headshot*
i checked, it's not a full immunity, you still need the blessing or the talent to get the full one
pallid jetty
Duck and dive is stam back on avoiding range by dodging sprint and slide
hard to say, situational perk
marble mantle
It was indeed said https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746...
The weird part is they replied to the message I said it on
marble mantle
hard to say, situational perk
Yeah kinda
pallid jetty
i dont run it until i want to get the stamina regen delay
junior needle
Well, subjectively you may not care but it did cause your shots to go very wide, which is objectively a large reduction in your ability to land headshots.
Now it's been lessened, reportedly.
marble mantle
Well, subjectively you may not care but it did cause your shots to go very wide,...
Should I run Duck and Dive to get to stam regen or CQKZ
Close quarter killzone
junior needle
Should I run Duck and Dive to get to stam regen or CQKZ
You don't really need dnd unless you're devoting yourself to deadshot shenanigans
thorn lark
duck and dive is niche
marble mantle
You don't really need dnd unless you're devoting yourself to deadshot shenanigan...
Good point kinda just a plus
marble mantle
duck and dive is niche
Zealot would enjoy it considering they have the sprint counts as dodge
junior needle
It can be very good value with deadshot on weapons that have ghost, like ilas and laspistols
thorn lark
yes
pallid jetty
today i did a run with the heaviest infantry lasgun, it sucks bad
now i should try shotguns
to see if they still suck too
marble mantle
Just took a clip of the updated version I’ll send when it uploads
Then can go from there
pallid jetty
and i will try to log into the game once more cause it doesnt let me
junior needle
The k12 is the least preferred variant currently
marble mantle
The k12 is the least preferred variant currently
Is that the lawbringer?
marble mantle
Oh nah it isn’t
marble mantle
just got the "Shift Leader Primus" title
I’m working towards that one too
Got like 10 more metalfab missions
Definitely gives me the most Corrections Officer vibes
pallid jetty
fucking shit game
marble mantle
Updated version
pallid jetty
more duration for smoke is good, smoke requires a lot of perks for it
junior needle
Is that the lawbringer?
That's the k12 ilas
marble mantle
That's the k12 ilas
Ahhhhh okie dokie
pallid jetty
Updated version
this looks ok
pallid jetty
idk, you press the ability and then try to kill everything as fast as you cant
looks like a playstyle
thorn lark
Zealot would enjoy it considering they have the sprint counts as dodge
except no
pallid jetty
but before you throw a smoke to defend yourself from shooters
marble mantle
Ain’t no way I just got a 307 with 79% damage 63% ammo 74% stopping power 77% mobility and 14% stability 😭
thorn lark
swift certainty does not put you in a ''dodge state'' and has no interaction with dodge blessings and talents
marble mantle
Ah
thorn lark
yeah 😦
marble mantle
Nah I’m bout to just go back to WS lol
It’s like crack and I’m addicted
Friendship ended with FT, new best friend is WS
bitter turtle
Updated version
do you really want tinker that bad
just asking since C&K is a much better aura generally than fire team and its costing you an extra point that could go to a number of things
i would say 5% crit is alot better than 5% hp as a transition node too
marble mantle
I like having theoretically infinite grenades yes
bitter turtle
tinker doesnt give you more nades
bitter turtle
duration on smokes
marble mantle
Just to make it known in case you missed it this is thematically an enforcer / riot cop build
marble mantle
Yeah I felt very slow this last mission
torn gorge
are you running shock maul?
bitter turtle
marble mantle
are you running shock maul?
Yees
bitter turtle
you save a point and get 5% crit and a better aura
marble mantle
https://i.gyazo.com/f4036aa615d2787f1d93db4a054e5e5a.png
Oh okay bet, thanks!
bitter turtle
double duration smoke is not bad
its not bad per say
but is it worth taking a bunch of inferior talents
is this for helbore still
i know you said enforcer riot cop but idk what that entails
marble mantle
https://i.gyazo.com/f4036aa615d2787f1d93db4a054e5e5a.png
Btw can you make any suggestions for switching to WS? I ain’t using FT anymore
bitter turtle
oh
marble mantle
Friendship ended with FT, new best friend is WS
^
bitter turtle
even more reason to drop tinker
u can just barely reach WS by dropping tinker
lol
marble mantle
You’re a real one thanks
tall torrent
why reciprocity
bitter turtle
oh
marble mantle
Omg
tall torrent
then CQKZ
torn gorge
if those are the 2 weapons then go heavier on the melee side
bitter turtle
if you're wondering why i go right at the top
there is 5% movespeed on the travel node
torn gorge
lawbringer is "fun"
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zoom
bitter turtle
10% movespeed 
marble mantle
lawbringer is "fun"
Honestly I’m liking it
tall torrent
casually walk away from a horde
now outwalk ragers
marble mantle
casually walk away from a horde
Oh my
tall torrent
marble mantle
now outwalk ragers
That’s the dream huh
tall torrent
I mean why wouldn't u want to outwalk ragers
marble mantle
Also since I’m not hitting FT I don’t need to take bring it down
wicked epoch
hearty panther
groaners hunt u down ruthlessly now
bitter turtle
bring it down is a great node in general
hearty panther
theyre so fukken speedy
tall torrent
if possible
torn gorge
ragers cant walk without legs
marble mantle
bring it down is a great node in general
Oh ok
torn gorge
marble mantle
I was gonna slip it into getting the ammo refill on WS
marble mantle
Can do
marble mantle
Where’s that
bitter turtle
at the very top right
torn gorge
top right
torn gorge
idk if there are meaningful breakpoints but you could prob also drop elite dmg
marble mantle
Ohhhh bet
torn gorge
if you want more points
marble mantle
idk if there are meaningful breakpoints but you could prob also drop elite dmg
Can do if needed
bitter turtle
i dont think always prepared is actually that useful for shotguns
the auto reload under WS
well
marble mantle
Really?
bitter turtle
the original 3 at least
marble mantle
Oh fleeting fire could be nice
bitter turtle
idk in theory one might think its useful but I have never went "oh man I wish I had always prepared" personally
i guess because you can always just reload 1 shell quickly anyway
marble mantle
Expensive tho
bitter turtle
yeah fleeting fire is not worth reaching
marble mantle
idk in theory one might think its useful but I have never went "oh man I wish I ...
Fair enough
Okay so if I take tac reload I lose my bring it down, so I can either reach bring it down or superiority complex
bitter turtle
you could probably
just keep superiority complex
and grab the stamina delay node under it
that you dropped from your original build
bitter turtle
iots easier to reach
tall torrent
I'm debating if I should get veteran enforcer armor
bitter turtle
to something like knife
then you can just swap cqkz to recip easily
without losing stam delay
torn gorge
i think instead of auto reload the stamina on weapon swap would be better in this context
marble mantle
I'm debating if I should get veteran enforcer armor
Which one? The one in shop?
tall torrent
Which one? The one in shop?
yea
bitter turtle
stamina on weapon swap is great but i dont know if shmaul needs it that much
torn gorge
it does if you play deadshot
marble mantle
torn gorge
bitter turtle
i actually wonder
does stam delay or invigorate provide more stamina in the long run
probably delay right?
invigorate is better if you just need a burst of it on swap like with knife push attacks
torn gorge
depends how you use stamina
tall torrent
probably delay right?
delay
torn gorge
also depends how much stamina you run i think
tall torrent
Didn’t get the helmet though since
the helmet is not that one tho
marble mantle
the helmet is not that one tho
No I know
I just didn’t want to change my current helmet
torn gorge
but WS let you use deadshot more aggressively as a result
marble mantle
Should’ve clarified
bitter turtle
but WS let you use deadshot more aggressively as a result
yea
thats why i run it on deadshot+knife builds
torn gorge
i think its quite the underrated node
bitter turtle
i can freely dump all my stam on deadshot and then swap into knife and still have push attacks ready
bitter turtle
i think it just depends on you rmelee weapon
torn gorge
but both first nodes have contextualised merits
bitter turtle
some melee do push attack a lot
torn gorge
and the bottom is just tons of sustain
bitter turtle
and invigorate is a godsend for that
if you dont push atk that much its probably fine just to run delay though
torn gorge
even on more shooty builds that node is quite the qol
being able to sprint with weapon swap
bitter turtle
yeah
its underrated to be sure
always prepared is usually rated highly (thanks to revolver most of the time) but a lot of people ignore invig
tall torrent
I like how it looks but I usually just run kasrkin armor
torn gorge
always prep makes sense in the context of low ammo mag weapons
tall torrent
torn gorge
invigorate makes more sense in the context of automatic weapons and deadshot
bitter turtle
yeah i honestly think invig is the tape that holds my knife+laspistol build together lol
i think it would not work so well without it
torn gorge
on most deadshot/auto weapons you are always at risk of emptying stamina and then relying on low stamina weapons swap
but that is punishing on its own under pressure
which makes you play much more conservative on the shooting part with deadshot
rather than going stam empty
thorn lark
deadshot on the double barrel shotgun is soooooo good
and it doesn't ruin your stam either
torn gorge
thats a different context
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🤔
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if you take both does it cancel out
torn gorge
with the accuracy of a blind ogryn during POB and a 20 stability achlys
bitter turtle
if you take both does it cancel out
yes
thorn lark
that might actually be decent on brauto
tg regen or dr on braced like ogryn would bo so nice
coral willow
whats the leg?
marble mantle
Can’t wait til I get shift leader primus (hopefully tomorrow)
Also enforcer build is working great
Just need a good lawbringer now
gilded rock
the original 3 at least
I was about to say
gilded rock
💀
willow siren
FREEDOM
marble mantle
FREEDOM
I hit it today too
So relieving
And I feel like I know the class pretty fuckin well
I mean
Abilities wise
faint beacon
FREEDOM
very close to getting that with Ogryn
feels good once you 100% any class tbh
idle pecan
melk blessed me\
marble mantle
Also what would be the optimal WS setup for lawbringer
faint beacon
Got a 380 Rashad
immediately it was a brick
Im not malding im totally not malding right now
tall torrent
immediately it was a brick
Save it for crafting update
odd wind
chat is it over for me
coral willow
looks clean but you probably want maniac on crit's place so idk kek
that ammo is spiffy tho
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chat is it over for me
just swap speedload for headhunter
idle pecan
on XIIIg what are the most desirable blessings and perks
and what stat is the dump stat
also is this good?
odd wind
how about this?
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how about this?
worse. sustained fire and groaner dmg are both bad
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or sacrifice it for infernus IV since you have th e other one
coral willow
also is this good?
perk is mehbut HV is good, just change out block efficiency and thrust and hope crafting update comes to change infested
odd wind
cheers guys! i was just wondering if theres a big difference between infernus 4 and 3
idle pecan
perk is mehbut HV is good, just change out block efficiency and thrust and hope ...
what should i change thrust for?
infernus is more of a meme tbh
still incredibly fun tho
like a flamethrower on vet
coral willow
thrust with skullcrusher or lightning reflexes
idle pecan
kk
coral willow
i recommend reflexes cause it saves your ass in rager swarms
last parcel
infernus is more of a meme tbh
on a VId, it's comparable to dumdum
now that they've raised the stacks
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its the same tho?
it used to have a lower cap
coral willow
p sure it was 12 the same
radiant chasm
wouldn't go thrust with mual
coral willow
2 stakcs up to 12
radiant chasm
it's not a big single hit weapon
idle pecan
is maul good for crowd control
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2 stakcs up to 12
i'll have to check again
radiant chasm
just go high voltage+lightning reflexes, high voltage procs of your normal swings any of them that make a zappy noise (it's a 0 dps debuff iirc, the special does dps as well)
radiant chasm
is maul good for crowd control
it's a generalist tool
does everything, probably it's best niche is dealing with individual elites
coral willow
not ogryns
idle pecan
would it be viable to replace a pc4 Power sword
coral willow
they kinda tanky and saul has bad unyielding damage
coral willow
would it be viable to replace a pc4 Power sword
depends on what you want
idle pecan
running these two together
coral willow
it doesnt have the revup but if yo uwant raw killpower nothing bwats ps
radiant chasm
would it be viable to replace a pc4 Power sword
uhh if you are comparing everything to pc4 psword, it's gonna be more than likely worse
smaul is strong enough to stand on it's own in auric maels but the only thing it has over psword is stamina and dodges
radiant chasm
they kinda tanky and saul has bad unyielding damage
kinda? but besides monstros it's fine enough
it's not amazing but i think it's good enough to be generalist
coral willow
i smash saul on monstro
radiant chasm
just stun em and bonk em
coral willow
radiant chasm
ok you just said it has bad unyielding damage
now you say you smashing monstros with it
make up ur mind
coral willow
it has the lowest ADM as well as on maniac
radiant chasm
go on zen journey now
DISCOVER yourself NOW
tbf you are on veteran here so
you have rending options
for both of those
coral willow
so i put maniac unyielding on it
fair point
on zealot what else there is to do than shove a saul on a plagryn face
radiant chasm
just bonk it repeatedly cause martyrdom carries your damage
coral willow
i didnt use marty
but i might
it doesnt rely on PA as much as crushers did
so msrty might be a decent call
faint beacon
This is going to drive me insane
odd wind
This is going to drive me insane
play AM, problem solved
tall torrent
This is going to drive me insane
enclavum baross first event
camp spawn
they fixed horde density it's a lot better now
idle pecan
this good
fiery wave
One good blessing
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One good blessing
which of those do you consider the bad blessing
somber axle
Weight of Fire is good for all Helbores imo
Helps speed up follow up shots
Very good for improving TTK on multiple targets
The only other blessing that maybe competes with it is No Respite and afaik it does not help meet any breakpoints
Not even bayonet breakpoints
Surgical + Weight of Fire are my ideal Helbore combo
tender pasture
