veteran-class

[last parcel]

that'll be fine for like 95% of weapons. going only 360+ helps with getting better natural blessings. some weapons (such as recon) have a lot of dump stats so the diff between low and high base aren't that different if you have a good distribution

[torpid grotto]

Damage at 70% and up is fine

Other stats like mobility can be like 51

[mental cloud]

Right, like all those I would trash in that list above. I guess I’m being too sweaty trying to get bis.

[torpid grotto]

Look at the 80% values and you'll see you're chasing like 15 more damage most of the time

[willow siren]

colateral is a funny stat, bc you dont really want it on full auto weapons

even on ogryn guns you dont want it

[frank basin]

Collateral if they actually do the thing

[willow siren]

on stubbers, ragdolliong stuff is a dps loss

[somber axle]

Getting a good weapon for a weapon family you don't have yet is better than stressing about trying to reach a perfect roll

[last parcel]

to elaborate, mobility >=51 gives you max dodges (outside of knife and psyker force swords) and doesn't have much a difference between 52-80
some stats can even be ignored depending on the weapon, such as stability on helbores

[somber axle]

Once you have a baseline for the weapon you want you can start aiming for better than that

[last parcel]

that too

[mental cloud]

🫡 I will cease with the sweatiness. lol all I need is hadron to quit screwing up my rolls. I noticed that best gun builds I have are from before I truly understood the crafting system. Trying to hard I guess. lol

[tall torrent]

@somber axle modified description based on ur feedback

deadshot is worth mentioning

I don't think taking >1 stam is worth tho

1 stam is good

[somber axle]

more than 1 stam curio is a meme yeah LOL

a very funny meme

definitely not recommended for people to do though

[last parcel]

are you telling me that triple stam + quad sprint efficiency + skirmisher is not normal

oh how i have been wounded

[tall torrent]

quad sprint efficiency is pretty funny

u reach >2x sprint time

[last parcel]

i am speed

[idle swallow]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/d4blalI6x2oc4xAA/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952nviiphw3k0iotvwxjhho46q2wivbtmg2nmau6tbw&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[tall torrent]

added wounds

[hearty panther]

Do you have like a giant section explaining stamina in detail

I assume you do cause yknow

[last parcel]

get <= 3 wounds
so i will take 3 wounds and ignore the next sentence

[willow siren]

ready for sprinting

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/initial-d-gtr-rx7-86-ae86-gif-21823088

[hearty panther]

I was busy before but that whole tangent about +Stam helping to engage more push attacks is sort of untrue.

[tall torrent]

what do I need to put in that cuz I don't

[tall torrent]

ik, the only thing that actually makes PA more spammable in combat is -stam regen delay

[hearty panther]

ye

[tall torrent]

because u can PA as soon as u have just 1% stamina

but that's not a curio thing so

[hearty panther]

stam regenerating from damage hits when the bar is below 50%

is important info imo

[tall torrent]

this is in opening section

[hearty panther]

specifically that it triggers off every bullet that hits you

ye kay

[tall torrent]

the opening section is only 6 pages

[hearty panther]

idk i cant read

[tall torrent]

it's mentioned here

[hearty panther]

could elaborate about ranged i suppose, since even i would not have assumed every bullet triggered as a separate hit

[tall torrent]

per dmg instance as in, every tick of dmg counts

[hearty panther]

since normally with dodge triggers especially it considers one entire Volley to be one attack

[tall torrent]

that's why I specifically wrote per dmg instance

[hearty panther]

and receiving six free ticks of stamina from one dreg shooter is like

seems crazy

but that's how it be

[junior needle]

Would've gone for a both blessing change, HH is a lot of value due to shocktrooper

[hearty panther]

but ya i am like

[willow siren]

it's for a meme build bc i hate myself

[hearty panther]

a type of player who would hypothetically run all stam curios

but the game is immensely generous with how stamina functions in live gameplay

that its really completely unnecessary for anything that isn't just memeing deadshot uptime

(Which in itself is something you could just play around by being more conservative about which targets 'deserve' deadshot boosted output and using guns that are good in hipfire)

all sprint efficiency perks is close to doubling your bar when executing that action. block is 1/3 bonus. if your base stamina with csword is already five then you actually already do have a LOT of stamina to work with

and since the game only really punishes you for having precisely 0 stamina when an action occurs (a block, or pushing), then only that 1% is important in pure melee

this only really kills you if you are spamming pushes and dodges simultaneously and keep turning off your regen

which is pretty common for players tbh

maybe if i started to regularly end my matches with zero actual damage taken over 50+% of the time id go all stam

but that'd just be to flex lmao

[somber axle]

when you say hypothetically...

[hearty panther]

i mean that i dont ;D

[somber axle]

I do! It used to be the only thing I'd ever play with

[hearty panther]

despite having a very high evaluation for stamina

[somber axle]

Now sometimes I do an HP curio or 2 to survive the poxbursters clipping into each other and asking if Nurgle loves them

sometimes I still do triple stam curios though

[last parcel]

8 poxbursters clipping inside of each other

[hearty panther]

I scream away my problems

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/el-salvador-meme-salvi-salvadorean-pride-scream-if-gif-14189649052551055240

[tall torrent]

I am going to write about how 3x 15% sprint efficiency is BiS

[hearty panther]

hell yea it is

[wary galleon]

[hearty panther]

for the throne

[uncut pebble]

This but it's all bulwarks and I'm stuck in a corner.

Cannot fight back + cannot see incoming attacks + keep getting shield bashed.

[somber axle]

sounds like it's time for krak

https://tenor.com/view/playing-snow-snow-looking-for-something-wag-tail-cat-gif-15965641

[dapper agate]

New 'Guns' subclass.

[wary galleon]

explodes heretics with mind

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-10528166394804192796

[wary galleon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1198732550357659860/Poxburster.gif

[marble mantle]

Buy or nah

Good stat roll

[uncut pebble]

Now that is some old ass footage.

[slow spade]

I would

The crafting rework should help

[lapis nexus]

lol

[slow spade]

I have a lvl 530 Vet

The 2nd highest is a lvl 30+6 Ogryn

[hidden torrent]

Bros responding to ancient texts

[slow spade]

"Ancient"

I still get pings from messages from weeks ago

[hidden torrent]

Nice

[slow spade]

To be fair, its mostly people calling me stupid

"Eh actually 🤓"

[mellow adder]

This worth it for the IV Deathspitter?

[fresh grail]

melt it down to earn deathspitter IV, very nice to have

[mellow adder]

I have No Respite & Scattershot on my Agripinaa Shotgun, should I replace No respite with deathspitter?

[fresh grail]

I'm not too familiar with the best shotgun stats unfortunately. Maybe someone else here has the answers

It's nice to have all the blessings IV that you want unlocked before starting on making good orange gear. III will also work fine most of the time.

[kind hull]

That's two out of four, thanks to those who gave me advices and builds for veteran

[marble mantle]

Is indig shock maul good for WS infiltrate? I usually see ppl using combat blades but honestly I don’t really see myself swapping anytime soon

[tall torrent]

Shock maul is good

[marble mantle]

Bet

Yeah I’ve already been using it with WS

HV SC

[marble mantle]

Always a little funny when people call you a noob and then leave when they die the most

Which helbore is the best to y’all?

[shadow dagger]

are these both worth grabbing just for blessing fodder

or are the t4s just not good enough to justify it

[hidden torrent]

I only reply to femboy twinks so I wouldn't know

[junior needle]

The new itemization system is supposedly giving you progress based on your previously owned blessings

So if you have an immense excess of melkbux you could take them for that, even if they aren't good

But there's no way of knowing if melkbux will become useful in the future either

[elder fiber]

Melkbucks depreciating into being completely useless feels pretty on brand for him

[thick needle]

Is the Range stat on the Hacker 2barrel important at all

[tall torrent]

Kind of?

[tall torrent]

Honestly
Just harvest manstopper from that lol

[thick needle]

Bleh
I am making no event progress because I can't get a good SoM weapon

lol
lmao

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-odenkirk-better-call-saul-pointing-gif-8557710

[tall torrent]

Teammates’ kills with these weapons count

[thick needle]

I don't trust my teammates

[junior needle]

[thick needle]

EMPRAH SAYS TRUST BAD

EXCEPT WITH HIM

[marble mantle]

Honestly I wonder what they’ll do with him after the update cuz I sincerely doubt they’d keep his shop the same

It would essentially have no purpose

[jovial hinge]

thoughts?

[last parcel]

buy rn

[pallid jetty]

if you dont have a good psword, its a good start

[junior needle]

Mf's post a nearly perfect weapon

"Is this good, should I get this"

[jovial hinge]

how can it be fixed?

[pallid jetty]

id switch unyielding to carapace, plus i run + power of kill instead of bromentum

but blessing is a preference

[junior needle]

brutal is much, much more effective than slaughter

Because of how it works

[pallid jetty]

maybe

[junior needle]

It's not a maybe

You can double your bruisers killed in a swing

[pallid jetty]

i didnt use psword for a long time tho

[jovial hinge]

I thought we have kark grenades to deal with carapace?

[junior needle]

Kraks are typically inferior to shreds

[pallid jetty]

yeah tell this to a pack of 10 crushers

[junior needle]

For a variety of situations

[pallid jetty]

then tell it again to 8 or 7 of them

[jovial hinge]

my_time_has_come.jpg

[willow siren]

using executioners stance after leveling with infiltrate and VoC really hit home how comfy i was with get out of jail free cards. esp coming from a taunt ogryn

[iron marten]

i know some vets that would kill for this psword :p

both blessings are good

just change perks according to the guide. Personally, I run Carapace and Elite

[willow siren]

worlds most basic vet

[jovial hinge]

why do you hate +maniacs on psword?

[junior needle]

At least this one took uncanny for auric maelstrom

[iron marten]

never found a need for it, I like being able to one-shot shotgunners with a swing, especially if they're in a group

[junior needle]

the 6 peesword can get one taps on crushers with the push attack, with the right stats and juice

[coral willow]

what the fuck

just change perks and you are golden

i think thats usable from the getgo

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1QKsmfBRPzzP_S/d13376gp9kL2?invite=cr-MSxPM3csMTA3NDAxNTczLA

I had to dig this one up

[somber axle]

rest in piece

[bitter turtle]

Headhunter + deadly accurate
Flak and maniac

[bitter turtle]

I don't think carapace is doing much for you if you have elite

[bitter turtle]

Full bore + no respite

[iron marten]

o rly

never tested with elite only so lol

always wanted a guarantee two-hit on a crusher

[bitter turtle]

You can 2tap crusher with absolutely nothing if u take enough melee talents

So elite alone should be good enough

[iron marten]

yeah, some of my builds never touch the right tree so

[bitter turtle]

Idk I'd have to test it but yeah

[iron marten]

iseee

[bitter turtle]

I think you only need ogryn damage and superiority complex if you have elite

[severe gale]

is that with brutal momentum, +cara, and some of the weakspot and damage buffs from the tree?

[bitter turtle]

Jfc discord bugging out on me

[bitter turtle]

Bromentum doesn't matter

[severe gale]

i can consistently do it with the PA into overhead

[bitter turtle]

You can do it on a sunder psword too

[severe gale]

but that’s 2

[severe gale]

oh

pawesome

sunder got a buff didn’t it

like it’s a good option now?

[bitter turtle]

And I'm pretty sure an actual one tap requires conditional buffs

And sunder was always a good choicr

[last parcel]

or a crit

[bitter turtle]

It wasn't a buff for ps6

[iron marten]

think Sunder has a +20dmg on heavies? But yeah, Sunder is already good without it

[bitter turtle]

More for ps3

[marble mantle]

Thank ye

[bitter turtle]

Ps6 only uses lights and push atk

[junior needle]

Yep

Not sure how much juice is required though

[severe gale]

burgle tail slap off a cliff

[junior needle]

Already happened to me on my first win

Immediately got hit by 2 snipers while hanging and insta died

[severe gale]

i’ve tried to get ASS 3 times

the first time, on game 3, i got barreled

the second time on game 4i got hit by a pox buster conga line of like 30

insta killing me

third time was a burgle tail slap, also on game 4

[junior needle]

Oh yeah the burster line is murder

[severe gale]

and this was all without any alt-f4 cheese

[severe gale]

they were all silent :(

[junior needle]

Yeah I'm going to save myself the aggravation and cheese it

Especially with some of the players I'm getting

[severe gale]

i was fully willing to cheese it, i just never had the chance lmao

[marble mantle]

Any changes y’all would make to this infiltrate build?

[last parcel]

blud skipped iron will

[junior needle]

What weapons

[marble mantle]

Couldn’t really afford it

[marble mantle]

Mostly shock maul and either db or whatever other ranged I want

Never really switch my melee

[junior needle]

I'm not sure the left side is really worth it then

[marble mantle]

Oh okie dokie

[junior needle]

But I've never used those weapons on vet

So take that with a grain of salt

db probably has piss finesse

And if you rarely use it then the ammo is a bit wasted too

[marble mantle]

What else would I take instead, if I didn’t take those?

[marble mantle]

True yeah

I mostly got it for superiority

[junior needle]

Rending counters damage falloff, which is a big issue for DB

[marble mantle]

So try to find some rending? I could afford the middle bottom one

[junior needle]

And you can grab iron will on the way there

[marble mantle]

True yeah

Okay sweet thanks for the advice

[junior needle]

I'd also strongly advise taking the middle node in the middle

The ult activation buff

[marble mantle]

FTE?

Okay

[junior needle]

Born leader is much weaker than it seems

and you aren't running voc with plasma+glory

[marble mantle]

Well I had an extra point after grabbing rending anyway

[marble mantle]

Right

So I still have 1 extra

[junior needle]

You could meme with deadshot and manstopper if you really wanted to

[marble mantle]

Don’t really need it tbh, not since I’m running WS

[junior needle]

Oh true, I forgor

There's nade regen and ogryn/boss damage

[marble mantle]

I got nade regen, might take oggy damage

[junior needle]

Normally it's overkill to take both

Both nade regens that is

[marble mantle]

Oh right lol

[junior needle]

You could also take another node for infil

[marble mantle]

That does seem overkill

Oh true

Is low profile good?

Might take that

Either that or OW

Both would be strong picks

[junior needle]

Seems more oriented towards people who want uninterrupted shooting

[pallid jetty]

what is it

[marble mantle]

Hmmm maybe OW then

[marble mantle]

-90% threat post infiltrate

[pallid jetty]

i can give you my 2 infiltrate builds if you want

battle one and stealthy one

[marble mantle]

I appreciate it but I’m pretty much settled with mine

[pallid jetty]

just to give you references

[marble mantle]

I took OW and with Tac awareness I should pretty much always have infil

[marble mantle]

I mean shit sure

Why not

[pallid jetty]

oh i run smoke on both, and you dont

whatever then

buh, ill do it anyway

[marble mantle]

Bet

[pallid jetty]

stealthy one, much smokes

throw at any moment, immunity to shooters

and a bit to specials

battle one, not much grenade spam, but survivability is better

will answer question if you have any

[marble mantle]

Bet, thanks!

Will save them for later

[tardy karma]

Anyone got a good plasma gun build for vet?

[pallid jetty]

ah shit here we go again...

[tardy karma]

I'm new to the game 😭 cut me some slack

[pallid jetty]

im just booting the game once more to give you mine

[crimson pebble]

Voice of command then the rest is gravy if you want to meta fart no thoughts easy mode things

[tardy karma]

I am using voice of command for sure

[pallid jetty]

i run this

i use the ability and then start shooting

[junior needle]

You could probably ditch exe if you took redirect fire

[crimson pebble]

I use this for plasma knife build its p fun

[pallid jetty]

what is redirect fire

[tardy karma]

I can't send pictures 😞

[junior needle]

Extra damage based on stacks for you and your team when you kill a pinged target

Lasts for a bit

Even killing an enemy with less than full stacks will refresh for max stack buff

[pallid jetty]

but i didnt take redirect fire

[junior needle]

Yes, I know

[pallid jetty]

???

[junior needle]

If you DID take it, you could probably avoid needing exe for breakpoints

Assuming that's why you are taking it

[last parcel]

deserved for being a greynam
(talk more)

[quick burrow]

POWER CYCLER and Sunder for mk3 power sword?

[pallid jetty]

ok (?)

[tardy karma]

My tree weird I went with focus target cuz I wanted to prioritize big baddies

[crimson pebble]

Mk3 stinky

[junior needle]

In case you WANTED to run the much more powerful overshout

[tardy karma]

Fair enough

I'm just not a social person like that lmao

[pallid jetty]

the bot should give you the red role

[junior needle]

You can use gameslantern to share setups

[pallid jetty]

after some messages

[junior needle]

Or use an img hoster to share pictures in the meantime

[astral valve]

seriously :|

That is just disrespectful

[crimson pebble]

I got a 3% dmg double barrel when trying build one update day

[tardy karma]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c764da2-1c92-4da8-89c3-efffd8d47a94/im-a-noob?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I listed my curios too but I haven't really messed around with them

[zenith helm]

is savage sweep any good on the Cadia Mk9?

[pallid jetty]

not sure about toughness on headshot, its a bit hard to aim with plasma

[junior needle]

There's no mk9 chainsword atm

There's 4 and 13g

[pallid jetty]

krak is also an odd choice with plasma

[crimson pebble]

Weapons are not it

[pallid jetty]

if you're not trying to make a boss killer

[zenith helm]

sorry yes the mk13

[tardy karma]

That's the goal bosses and elites

[tall torrent]

Wrath > savage sweep on mk13g

[zenith helm]

ok ty

[tall torrent]

Shovel is abysmal boss dmg, and plasma magdump boss is not smart idea either

[pallid jetty]

i've never tried to make a boss killer, so im not competent here

[zenith helm]

which does highest boss damage?

[tall torrent]

You’re also missing breakpoints on that plasma

Plasma ideally wants elite & flak

[tall torrent]

For veteran?

[zenith helm]

yes

[tall torrent]

Melee: power sword mk6, knife mk6, Rashad

Ranged: Boltgun, both revolvers, Columnus mk5

[tardy karma]

I don't care for the melee it was just the highest level one i had at the time I mostly cared for keeping out the hoards and buffing my teammates and killing bosses/elites

[zenith helm]

I have a question regarding the combos

sometimes the push hit combo does not work

i notice this on alot of my characters

sometimes it does

[tall torrent]

Explain

[zenith helm]

well after right clicking

holding

and then left click

does not always come out

the action does not always happen

[tall torrent]

Push attack needs u to hold left click while blocking

Not click left

[zenith helm]

yes holding

exactly

[crimson pebble]

How id build as opposed to the two you had maniac could go unyielding for plasma

[zenith helm]

another input sometimes that does not work is weapon switching with Q

or even grenade

[tall torrent]

This is still missing breakpoints for plasma

[tardy karma]

Can't wait for them to get the new weapon system ngl I dropped destiny because I got tired of trying for god rolls and here I am again trying for god rolls

[zenith helm]

no one ever have issues with weapons switching?

I've been using Q for the longest time, im wondering if it's a better idea to use the number keys

[tardy karma]

I sometimes do but I'm also on console so my opinion doesn't really matter

[tall torrent]

Why not both

[zenith helm]

i find Q to be easier to use

no chance of miss pressing

but sometimes it does not take

[tardy karma]

Like I said I was just going with what I had and thought was good but I came here to learn because teaching myself ain't working

[astral valve]

Okay this came out much better. I've never really run a power sword before

[crimson pebble]

Its all good i had no idea what i was doing w weapon majority of the time aswell before using the discord

[tardy karma]

I'll definitely switch up my perks for the weapons but what about my trait tree?

[tall torrent]

If u feel like reading I have a pretty comprehensive guide

[tardy karma]

I miss my power sword got me from like level 15-30 I might go back to it

[astral valve]

Why did you take out all of the great commentary!

I've been spying

[tall torrent]

Because I wanted to condense it as much as possible

[tardy karma]

Better than watching some damn YouTuber moan for an hour

[tall torrent]

And as of rn I do think the current version is as short as possible while getting every bit of relevant info across

[tall torrent]

Well no this one is 70+ pages

[tardy karma]

Oh good lord 😂

[astral valve]

I really liked the additional notes/thoughts you included, they provided good context and explanation for the raw numbers

[tall torrent]

And there’s basically no “skippable” section

[tardy karma]

Bro wrote a book

[tall torrent]

It’s really as short as I can put it

And it’s still not finished

Got like 3 more sections to do

[umbral scaffold]

Good stuff

[tall torrent]

Expecting 80~90 pages by the end

[tall torrent]

If u feel like reading I can send u a link in dm

Covers veteran’s entire talent tree, just about every weapon veteran has access to, almost all weapon blessings, enemies, etc

And a lot of basic stuff the game never bothered to explain

[tardy karma]

Awesome but I have the basic understanding of most things I learned to move better (best I can on controller at least) and I can hit my shots it's just I feel like I'm getting wrecked too fast idk if its me or my teammates I spam voice of command every chance I get

I tag big guys with focus target when I can

[crimson pebble]

For all the hate tanner lindberge gets his a few of his vids do have rlly solid info he can be a little grating though and the about half of the vids are shcizo tier tho

[zenith helm]

ty

[tardy karma]

Yeah I watched one and blocked his channel

[zenith helm]

how do u get such high DPS

[tardy karma]

Just moaned half the time it got annoying like quit complaining about it and explain the builds

[zenith helm]

i empty mags in to that thing and it barely scratches it

[tall torrent]

I sent link in dm btw

[zenith helm]

ive been using the middle tree

[tardy karma]

Ty will check it out

[tall torrent]

The “terminology & mechanics” section is non-skippable

[zenith helm]

the focus tree

[tall torrent]

You WILL need to read it to understand what the latter sections’ specific words mean

After that just look for whatever specifics u want

[tardy karma]

I just don't want to run a revolver or a auto gun 😦

[crimson pebble]

I mean plasma is just as on meta if not more then those two

[zenith helm]

so you are using left tree?

i havent tried it yet

[crimson pebble]

Guh moment

[zenith helm]

how do i put a screenshot of my tree here

[tardy karma]

Yeah it was doing great on normal damnation then I went auric and was barely able to keep up

[astral valve]

Executioner's Stance branch is fun with the right stuff!

[zenith helm]

i cant fit it on the screen

[tall torrent]

Then it’s a playstyle adjustment u need to make

Or ur plasma wasn’t hitting breakpoints

Or both

[crimson pebble]

I always go for the elite dmg extra ammo and 30%weakspot over middle bottom tree

[tall torrent]

Plasma is pretty strict in terms of rolls

[zenith helm]

I assume you are not using voice of command but executionor's stance

[tardy karma]

I hit my shots pretty damn well or at least I think hard to tell when theres hundreds of fodder enemies in front

[crimson pebble]

Are you using charged shots mostly or just reg fire

[tall torrent]

It makes no difference in terms of cleave

[tardy karma]

Regular fire the video I used for my build said to never charge them

[crimson pebble]

I wouldnt say never but most times dont

[zenith helm]

@formal lake do you recommend Exec or Voice ?

[crimson pebble]

Voice

[zenith helm]

that's what ive been using

[tardy karma]

I changed the build around a bit so I can give my teammates ammo with the elite kills that was the only personal adjustment I made

[zenith helm]

well i only play auric damnation

have over 1k hours on the game

[tardy karma]

I wanted to be a support boss killer vet

[zenith helm]

i took a long break from the game for a year

and just got back in to it 2weeks ago

im enjoying it atm

love the new maps

[tardy karma]

About the time I really picked it up

[zenith helm]

i started from beta

but dropped it late july 2023

im not good enough to do that

[crimson pebble]

Im suprised they changed so many of the maps in small ways along w the update dont think they ever said anything about it did they

[zenith helm]

im good just not as good as you from the sounds of it

[tall torrent]

They talked abt them in the patch nodes

[zenith helm]

its never been my thing

yup agree

i know

just have to get it down

and make good decisions

or get punished hard

[crimson pebble]

Jaw hit the floor after playing carnival for the first time after update realizing couldnt cheese it anymore

[zenith helm]

do you have a tree for vet you can share

i dont know how to paste mine here

any

[crimson pebble]

Saw a vid other day of a dude soloing karnak twins hard mode w only knife no gun

[zenith helm]

if you can solo, im sure its even more powerful for group?

how do i compress my tree to paste it here

i watched a bunch of youtube videos

and copied some of the good players trees

but after seeing your DPS

[crimson pebble]

I hate the axes idk why

[tall torrent]

Most YT builds are not very good lol

[zenith helm]

I need to reevaluate

I saw Tanner's

but that is from 6 months ago, idk how much the game has changed since then

ty

[tall torrent]

Also wouldn’t recommend paying attention to him

[zenith helm]

good to know!

[tall torrent]

He’s wrong too often to be worth noting

[zenith helm]

Well i dont know any better

[tardy karma]

Definitely don't I'm new to the game and I could already tell he's full of shit

[zenith helm]

😂

[tall torrent]

Let’s just say that he has some fundamental misunderstandings on certain mechanics in this game

And he’s the kind of guy to spread misinfo because in his mind he could never be wrong

[crimson pebble]

Yea but femboy

[zenith helm]

thx for letting me know

@formal lake ill give it a try in Auric Damnation and report back on how it worked out for me. Thanks for sharing.

[bronze patio]

Whats a good starting build rn

im level 30

[tardy karma]

Just need a trait tree thats for VoC with weapon specialist

[tardy karma]

You and me bro 🤣

[zenith helm]

gotcha

I love using the new shotty now, i used to use the columnus alot but got bored of it. Then went on to the zarona but the one I have is not good enough.

[tardy karma]

Oh hey my names colored

[bronze patio]

Melee vet with a quickdraw stub revolver always loaded with one round for emergencies, maybe a power sword?

[zenith helm]

is there going to be another DLC?

[tardy karma]

What I'm running

[zenith helm]

I have a few of them

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4b398fa061a1460264995f643ce9ab0b.png

this is a good skeleton to start with

[serene bough]

This belongs in zealot chat

[bitter turtle]

the last 9 points go into what you want to specialize into

[zenith helm]

this is what I am running now

[bitter turtle]

cant really tell u where to specialize unless you specify the weapons but

that 21 point build is a basic starting point for beginners

[zenith helm]

Yeah someone told me that the other day here

[tall torrent]

Refer to my guide, u might want to make some changes

[bitter turtle]

crit chance is not a good choice

its not worth it even if you have crit damage on the sword perk, because crit dmg/weakspot dmg are really bad perks

[zenith helm]

Flak?

[bitter turtle]

and i specifically mean the perks on weapons, the 10% ones

[tall torrent]

Elite

[zenith helm]

ok

[bitter turtle]

the way its calculated, weakspot/crit damage is only good in very high quantities

like 30%+

[tall torrent]

I can send u my guide too if u want

It covers pretty much everything

[bitter turtle]

10% is basically less than5% dmg boost

[zenith helm]

which is better the CadMk4 or Mk13g?

[bitter turtle]

13 got buffed recently

so both are probably ok

i think i still prefer 4 though for vet

[zenith helm]

I have this

[tall torrent]

U gotta stop with the +5% crit chance modifications lol

[bitter turtle]

i was wondering about shmaul

im running cara+ maniac

cara 2tap crusher and maniac lets you 2 heavy maniacs without needing to hit weakpoint

is my reasoning

[junior needle]

What did you replace for wrath?

Because you really don't want 5% crit on most weapons, or devastating

[zenith helm]

I dont remember

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[zenith helm]

this was long ago

[bitter turtle]

crusher 2 tap

[zenith helm]

over a year ago

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt need much

mostly left and middle talents that you pick up for your gun anyway

so i was wondering how other ppl felt

[zenith helm]

I just downloaded your guide

[bitter turtle]

i slapped mutant on bc i find mutants really fcking annoying on shmaul lol

[tall torrent]

Not the pinned one

[bitter turtle]

cant stun them and the weapon lacks a way to oneshot them while they charge at you

[zenith helm]

yes the pinned one

[tall torrent]

The new one is work in progress & not yet fully released

The pinned one is outdated

[zenith helm]

ok

[bitter turtle]

just use the pinned one for chainsword

the recommendations should still be fine

for chainsword

on the outdated one

[tall torrent]

I sent it in dm

[bitter turtle]

13 got changed so you can light+heavy loop

instead of light light light heavy being the entire loop

[tall torrent]

I’d still take wrath over savage on it

[junior needle]

If you light spam you still want wrath

[tall torrent]

It needs 2 attacks to get to heavy sweep that procs savage sweep on scab bruiser

Neither PA nor L3 have enough cleave

[bitter turtle]

i feel like wrath is still at least competitive either way

[junior needle]

I refuse to use heavies unless it's a heavy only weapon

[bitter turtle]

and yea the startup is still 3 lights

[tardy karma]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[bitter turtle]

its just after you do LLLH you can star tlooping LH

[tardy karma]

Imma try this

[bitter turtle]

before you literally had to loop

LLLH LLLH LLLH

or was it 2 L's idk

i forgot

but it was pretty bad

[tall torrent]

Missing breakpoint for plasma still

[junior needle]

I strongly advise not looking at random gameslantern guides

They vary considerably in quality

[bitter turtle]

the H's outside of one of them have like

literally 0 cleave

so idk if its better

to use them

you do require one less atk to reach the cleaving H

if you only use Heavies

but heavies are slower than lights to begin with so idk which is faster

[tall torrent]

Yea PA > L3 > H3 but first 2 atks in this combo are only 4.5 cleave

[junior needle]

I've seen ones recommend absolute dogshit equipment but still have like 2 pages worth of advice in the notes section

[eager ruin]

Can you pm me the new guide too, or later when finish

[tardy karma]

Hmmm okayyyy

[zenith helm]

I saw a zealot yesterday tear up auric maelstrom with a cadia

he was unreal

level 1465 or something

[bitter turtle]

chainswords are better on zealot

[tardy karma]

What dat mean

[bitter turtle]

they're decent on vet still though but there are weaknesses that vet cannot compensate for that zealot can

[zenith helm]

What should I put on my powersword instead of the 5% crit chance

[tall torrent]

It means you’re not getting the best performance out of the plasma because it’s missing dmg vs specific enemies that result in it taking >1 shots to kill

[bitter turtle]

elite

[tall torrent]

Elite

[zenith helm]

tyvm guys

[bronze patio]

what perk should I throw on this

[bitter turtle]

or cara if your sword just cannot 2 tap crushers with elite

[bronze patio]

im farming new guns rn

[bitter turtle]

idk how the stats are

but a good sword only needs elite

[tall torrent]

150% to 25%, an 83.3% reduction

[bitter turtle]

yea

but you need quite a few melee talents then

idk what their sword looks like

[tardy karma]

Oh okay then what do you suggest?

[bitter turtle]

and what tree they running

[zenith helm]

I don't usually have issues with Crushers tbh

Maniacs seem to be a bigger issue

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1258173151230038107/IMG_5320.png?ex=668b090e&is=6689b78e&hm=8557ac7dc5330b19154486f61be6f84e6ab8bf16604e85fccc37af45d0243e22&

[bitter turtle]

you can run maniac instead if you want

+maniac on psword can let you 1tap mutants if you headshot them with the push attack stab

[zenith helm]

like when 10+ show up

[tall torrent]

Plasma is hard to roll tho

U can check the page for plasma in my guide

I detailed very specific things u need on it

[zenith helm]

Ragers are a huge issue too for vet

[bitter turtle]

if u really hate ragers

run sunder

lol

[tardy karma]

Indeed it is honestly I'll probably stick with what I have till they bring out the new weapon system

[bitter turtle]

instead of bromentum

[zenith helm]

I find them to be the biggest threat

everything else I can deal with

but when a blob of death shows up full of them, it is difficult to deal with

[bitter turtle]

generally

just shoot them at that point

ragers are difficult to engage in melee

[zenith helm]

I usually do

i throw everything at em

[bitter turtle]

if you want your melee to be able to stagger packs of them, consider sunder

[zenith helm]

before they get close

[bitter turtle]

for your psword

[tardy karma]

I'll still try for a good roll every now and then but once they let us pick and choose what we want life will be a lot easier

[zenith helm]

Instead of power cycler?

[bitter turtle]

no

instead of brutal momentum

you never drop cycler

[zenith helm]

I dont Bm

have*

[bitter turtle]

oh

[zenith helm]

its locked

[bitter turtle]

are you using slaughterer or something

ah

rip

id suggest making a new one tbh

[zenith helm]

yes

[bitter turtle]

if you already have cycler you have the hard part done

bromentum and sunder are just

[bitter turtle]

a lot better than slaughterer

like a lot better

[tall torrent]

Here’s what u need on plasma

78%+ in damage & stopping power
60%+ in ammo
69%+ in thermal resist

+elite dmg perk
+flak dmg perk (maniac works but isn’t as good as flak overall)

Gets hot
Gloryhunter/Blaze away (gloryhunter is better imo)

[zenith helm]

Did they buff the rashad? I remember last year it was meh..

[tardy karma]

Definitely ditching my shovel probably go back to a power sword

[bitter turtle]

sunder is a lot better on elites no?

than slaughterer

i know bromentum is whatever on elites but its the one you pick to mince bruisers anyway

[thick needle]

Is there any good way to check breakpoints besides that one site

[bitter turtle]

download loadout config

mod

[tall torrent]

Sunder’s main advantage is to cleave maulers & scab ragers which also staggers them

[bitter turtle]

make the weapon in game

test it

[tall torrent]

Which weapons do u want to know abt

[zenith helm]

which one?

the rashad?

[bitter turtle]

yes but its hard to roll

[thick needle]

Bolt Pistol

[bitter turtle]

if you're already possibly unwilling to reroll your psword

dont bother

rashad is p much the hardest weapon to roll

[tall torrent]

High Dmg stat, maniac & elite

If u don’t want to run exe stance for it

[thick needle]

Exe stance is just not worth it

[zenith helm]

what Rashad do I want?

blessings

I have a few

[bitter turtle]

headtaker brutal momentum

[zenith helm]

ty

[junior needle]

I hate auric maelstrom

[zenith helm]

I have this

[bitter turtle]

thats workable

just thunderous to bromentum, weak spot dmg to unarmored

[zenith helm]

I dont have Bromentum

I have level 3 Bromentum

not 4

[bitter turtle]

just use that

level 4 dont matter for bromentum

2.5% weakspot dmg is like

nothing

[zenith helm]

ok ty

[slow spade]

I love brutal momentum

[zenith helm]

Done

once I get t4 ill slap it on it

[thick needle]

Btw is Lethal Proximity good for Bolt Pistol

[bitter turtle]

meh

[zenith helm]

ty boyz Ill give this a go!

[bitter turtle]

the explosion on bpistol does very little dmg

[marble mantle]

Which helbore is the best?

[bitter turtle]

sos all it does is some extra stagger

[thick needle]

Rn I've just got Surgical and Puncture (natural) on mine

[slow spade]

Lethal Prox is pretty shit sadly

[bitter turtle]

surgical + DA is what most people run

[marble mantle]

Okay bet thanks

[bitter turtle]

THEORETICALLY i feel like puncture +DA is an option

[slow spade]

Puncture, Surgical, and Deadly Accurate are good blessings imo

[marble mantle]

Yea it’s what I run

[bitter turtle]

havent tested it though

[slow spade]

Puncture + DA with Weapon Specialist works in my experience

but I haven't brought it into Auric yet

[bitter turtle]

yea thats my idea too

[slow spade]

still getting used to it

[bitter turtle]

puncture lets you 1tap with almost no gun dmg investments

[slow spade]

"oh fuck I forgot stacks"

[bitter turtle]

weap specialist DA to crit 1tap when you need it

ragers and shit

[slow spade]

funny 500 base damage gun

[zenith helm]

Guys I bought a 21% Max health curio the other day

Now i dont see it in my inventory

anyone else have this?

[slow spade]

Tzeentch

[tall torrent]

What’s the bug

[slow spade]

OH

[tall torrent]

Oh that

[slow spade]

that's hilarious lol

Revolver Handcannon hands off the torch to Bolt Pistol Puncture

Thank you Fatshark 🙏

[marble mantle]

Still surprised that the revolver is just better than the bolt pistol

Makes like no sense

[slow spade]

still surprised it has survived like 8 months of being bullshit

yeah but still funny

oh I thought it was pretty good on Zealot

[tall torrent]

I think the best way to nerf Zarona is to tweak veteran’s WS refill ammo sub node lol

[slow spade]

granted the lack of easy crits makes it sad to use :c

[tall torrent]

Zarona is not that busted on psyker/zealot, it’s just insane for veteran

[slow spade]

ah I figured it wasn't as good anymore without the rending on charge

[slow spade]

such is life :c

[tall torrent]

Probably make it round down but make the ammo refill higher than the current 3.3%/stack

Crit should get tuned down as well

[marble mantle]

Wack

[tall torrent]

What

[marble mantle]

I like weapon specialist how it is, I ain’t even use Zarona

Why should it be changed because of 1 gun

[bitter turtle]

tfw bistol gets a nerf because of revolver :^)

[slow spade]

I feel like its upgrades besides "reload upgrade" could be made to be more interesting

but overall Weapon Specialist feels fine to me

[tall torrent]

You do realize that it can be tweaked to be specifically worse for revolver right

[bitter turtle]

the outer upgrades are just kinda bad

[marble mantle]

No not really, I don’t know how numbers work in this game

[bitter turtle]

but the inner ones are good

[tall torrent]

Then why’re u complaining abt a hypothetical change

[marble mantle]

Because what you said sounded bad

[thick needle]

Does the reload-draw perk give you more than 1 ammo on the Boltpistol

[austere mica]

This works without Thrust right?

[slow spade]

3.3% so only 1 ammo

but you can just kill 1 guy in melee again

[tall torrent]

Yea and u complained before figuring out what it means

[marble mantle]

Right

Because it sounded bad

[slow spade]

there's nothing stopping you to reload your guns by just killing 1 guy and swapping -> repeat

[marble mantle]

Besides all I said was Wack

Not really that intensive of a complaint

[bitter turtle]

well

besides dropping your melee buff

unless you shoot again

[slow spade]

yeah but you could do it

[bitter turtle]

but then you went ammo neutral on reload

yea if its poxwalkers its prob fine

or just a not-dangerous situation in general

[slow spade]

but yeah don't do it while meleeing a chaos spawn or something :p

Handcannon on ciagv pls

[junior needle]

Why do people bring only their most dogshit setups

into AM

[tall torrent]

Yes but that one has low penetration, and mk4 is overall better than mk12

[slow spade]

god that's such a bricked shotgun for such good stats

[junior needle]

Not when I'm trying to get ASS

[last parcel]

insert screenshot here

[marble mantle]

Sprint efficiency is a wild decision

[slow spade]

its good on curios

[tall torrent]

Sprint efficiency is good in general
Just not on that gun

3x sprint efficiency on curios is BiS

[junior needle]

I hate psykers

[slow spade]

make sure you go all in on it though

1x sprint efficiency is eh

[crimson pebble]

Holy

[slow spade]

3x dockets is BiS

[tall torrent]

True and based

[slow spade]

I kind of wish I could quickplay into maelstroms for more dockets

I'm just messing around with stuff now

2 million dockets trying to make a bleed bolt pistol

it did not work

[tall torrent]

I spent too much resources rolling the Ogryn pickaxes

Back to poverty status

[slow spade]

indeed, very comfy

a shame my friend finds it boring at this point :c

we just quickplay aurics

ah

probably could try

never did though

I miss hab dreyko being the farming route

yeah but I suck at the tree part

still don't know how to do the new minigame lol

I never tried to learn

aurics too hectic to learn :c

oh ok

I thought there would be an indicator

[last parcel]

it turns white

[slow spade]

ah

should probably do some normal damnations to mess around on

such is life :c

ah good to know

thanks for letting me know c:

hopefully you don't catch me trying to learn how to do it UwU

[zenith helm]

god damn mid game

azrael

this build is amazing

[last parcel]

i'll queue into you and push bursters into you

[zenith helm]

unreal how much better it is

[slow spade]

ah, I'll still suck dick for plasteel so I'm still running the occasional normal quickplay Damnation

[slow spade]

l-l-lewd~!

[marble mantle]

I wish I liked MF more

It’s the only part about vet I don’t really fw.

[junior needle]

[slow spade]

"4/5 on Auric Storm? Only Barrel modifiers"

[faint beacon]

4/5? You gotta go all in on the last one

[torn gorge]

whats the cap on dockets?

i never hit more than few millions before spending them on a weapon

[junior needle]

What's that mod that lets you run solo missions, including ones that have expired off the board

[pseudo fiber]

25 million

[torn gorge]

only?

[last parcel]

many more tries is the expired one but you'll still have bots
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/175

[junior needle]

With bots is fine

I heard something about solo twins being fast dockets

I am interdasted

[tall torrent]

@bitter turtle insane lag holy shit

I can’t

Sorry

Lemme restart router

I literally teleport every 3 seconds

[bitter turtle]

np

[tall torrent]

Was the server bad for u too or

[bitter turtle]

it was ok

i just played bad lmao

dbs makes me make bad decisions

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1259367219075481640/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.07_-_00.26.58.01.mp4?ex=668b6c9e&is=668a1b1e&hm=6860271e87f3623950bf9e92849b2f5d72e40f764c19e962dd4f2c22ffcb5f89&

my connection

my neighbours gotta be mining crypto or smth wtf

[bitter turtle]

jesus

[mint ember]

anyone build for accatran build ?

[bitter turtle]

lol

i noticed some hits ghosting but nothing too terrible

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

U still wanna play or u gtg

[bitter turtle]

i can do one more

i just wanted to work on something but its not like a time sensitive thing

that wasnt very satisfying note to end on anyway

lol

[tall torrent]

Ykw let’s do private lobby maybe that helps

[bitter turtle]

sure

[junior needle]

It's me

I'm the one mining crypto

And also downloading 20 TB of cat pictures

Make it stop

[vast edge]

Naaaahhhh...

[junior needle]

I beg thee

are you kidding me

I alt f4'd

It was a barrel

That knocked me all the way off a ledge

[hollow ibex]

story of my life trying to get ASS

[junior needle]

I did it in time

are you

[elder fiber]

the emperor placed that barrel for a reason

[junior needle]

FUCKING

KIDDING ME

[bitter turtle]

😔

[tall torrent]

if game thinks ur dead then alt f4 doesn't save it

[bitter turtle]

also gg

[elder fiber]

the emperor gives and the emperor takes

[junior needle]

Absolute dogshit

[hollow ibex]

if i reinstall this game someday, i'll suffer grinding ASS with you

[tall torrent]

I just ogryn’d 5 games tbh

[junior needle]

I don't feel like playing anymore

[severe gale]

peak…

[bitter turtle]

just dont pick extra pox/barrel missions

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-foreseen-vision-psychic-gif-12611637

[junior needle]

Wasn't even an extra barrel mission

Just an inconveniently placed one on a bridge

[mint ember]

what about some plasma build ?

[hollow ibex]

the most lethal thing while grinding for ASS are teammates tbh

[bitter turtle]

ttheres prolly a delay before the game actually dcs you when you altf4

so i doubt hta twill save you on a fall death

[midnight totem]

Melk sold me a pretty good Kantrael laspistol today

[tall torrent]

Here’s what u need on plasma

78%+ in damage & stopping power
60%+ in ammo
69%+ in thermal resist

+elite dmg perk
+flak dmg perk (maniac works but isn’t as good as flak overall)

Gets hot
Gloryhunter/Blaze away (gloryhunter is better imo)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1258173151230038107/IMG_5320.png?ex=668b090e&is=6689b78e&hm=8557ac7dc5330b19154486f61be6f84e6ab8bf16604e85fccc37af45d0243e22&

[junior needle]

Don't know how to do 5 missions in an hour but I might as well since I'm never going to feel like putting in that effort ever again

[midnight totem]

Ghost 4, elite 3 on it. 79 damage, max stopping power, and 10 more stability than my last good kantrael

Tossed dum dum 4 and manic on it

[vivid cedar]

hadron is telling me to use the bolter. what perks

[midnight totem]

Need pinning fire instead of shattering

[faint beacon]

Flak instead of Weak spot?

I think

Idk if Bolter is one of those that doesn't need it

[midnight totem]

And ranged weak point change to your choice of, elite, flak, unarmored, carapace or Unyielding

[tall torrent]

boltgun wants flak + maniac/unyielding

[mint ember]

@tall torrent does the charge rate matter ?

[tall torrent]

not much

unyielding because

[midnight totem]

Anyway, new pistol fucks, though I miss the raw one shot potential of the old one

[vivid cedar]

the new pistol feels like your hitting him with a 45. the old one with a proper revolver.

not bad, just... different

[midnight totem]

I like a .45

[zenith helm]

good or sht?

[wicked epoch]

Whats a good bolter chainsword talent tree look like?

[vivid cedar]

infested swapped for maniac would be nice, but its perfectly servicable. the agripinaa is much less popular than the ones with bigger mags, but its good if you control your fire to aim center mass/heads, rather than spamming.

dumdum may be more useful though for single targets.

[manic cloak]

Bolter and Chainsword? Both weapons require quite a bit of supporting talents to meet breakpoints, which spreads you thin.

You are also going to be a bit inefficient with that combo vs. Carapace. Bolter can take them down, but requires a ton of rounds to do so. Even with the capacity buff it got in the last patch, it still is a bit tight on ammo in Auric Damn Maelstrom selectively taking your shots.

[abstract kiln]

Is this on damnation? Holy fuck xdd

[tall torrent]

yea

[wicked epoch]

Whaddya suggest be a melee weapon then?

[tall torrent]

chainsword doesn't really need specific melee talents to meet breakpoints

[manic cloak]

I personally run the Rashad with it.

[wicked epoch]

Whats the rashad?

[abstract kiln]

Wild damage lmao

[tall torrent]

rashad mk2 combat axe

[wicked epoch]

Ah

[manic cloak]

Those are the weapons I run at the moment

[wicked epoch]

I have this build thats like

focused on killing bossed

bossed

bosses

ere we go

But the problem is i keep finding myself horded

[lament pond]

Use recon 2 and spam lazer through out the map

[wicked epoch]

i dont like it

[tall torrent]

rashad costs way more points to run effectively compared to chainsword

[wicked epoch]

I typically do that with the bolter but holy its not that fast

I got bolter powersword and weapon spec

Wondering if that would be a good idea

[manic cloak]

I think chainsword is ineffective with the bolter.

[wicked epoch]

Whats the better one for clearing out hordes?

[manic cloak]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c769b34-938f-404f-9989-50a82c9082e0/bolterrashad

That's the talents I currently run

[wicked epoch]

I see

The only axe i have atm is the atrox

How on earth do i share my builds

[manic cloak]

Give me a better one that doesn't cripple the bolter or the rashad then please.

[wicked epoch]

Im gonna go ahead and try to get power cycling

[manic cloak]

WS is significantly gimped by the draw speed of the bolter.

[wicked epoch]

Then what should i get for the bolter

[manic cloak]

I'm not emptying the bolter mag.

breakpoints start to drop off if I take all of that off the tree.

I believe. Did a bunch of testing a week or two ago

Numbers Cat was going back and forth with me

[tall torrent]

I don't remember talking boltgun breakpoints

[manic cloak]

Yep I lose gunner. Just tested.

[manic cloak]

Yeah we had this same discussion, lol.

Even added longshot

which was your rec for breakpoints based off of my previous tree

[tall torrent]

ok now that longshot got nerfed

I'd just put 1 point into focus target

[manic cloak]

Yeah, just do the FT everything?

[tall torrent]

i guess

I think boltgun is sorta better with exe stance tbh

[wicked epoch]

How do i take a screenshot of my build

[tall torrent]

but I also don't enjoy playing it that much

[last parcel]

take multiple or make it here and zoom out to screenshot
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[wicked epoch]

Ah

[tall torrent]

VoC Boltgun I feel misses the oomph the gun needs

[manic cloak]

Yeah, no pinning stacks, 2x FT gets me the same breakpoint.

[foggy turret]

I just want to be done with this damn weapon specialist penance
https://streamable.com/zp9esl

[tall torrent]

But I’m also a certified exe stance hater because the pathing nodes suck

[manic cloak]

I enjoy it. VoC gives me spacing to keep picks up in a horde, or reload. If Ex Stance reloaded my weapon, I'd be all about it.

Not enough talents to spec into reload, so you have to eat it.

Yep, can just dummp the mag in their weakspot.

I'm exceptionally bored of the ciag, lol

[tall torrent]

Ok pls don’t actually do this

[wicked epoch]

heres my usual build where if i see a plague ogryn or a boss i throw kraks and executioners stance

[tall torrent]

Idk who hurt u but u really do not need nodes on all 3 starting branches

[wicked epoch]

you dont!?

[abstract kiln]

Xdddddd

[last parcel]

[wicked epoch]

if i dont have the movement speed im slow as balls

[tall torrent]

I mean for trolling yea sure

[wicked epoch]

but the toughness helps so much

i genuinely have no idea how to build lol

This builds supposed to be anti boss that can kill hordes or atleast survive

I usually just hang back to pick out elites, run towards a boss and unload, and rearguard

[tall torrent]

If u want a dedicated exe stance Boltgun it usually looks somewhere close to this

[abstract kiln]

The grenade a minute would be better than ammo pickup one no?

[wicked epoch]

I run outta ammo alot

and i tend to not use grenades

Unless its for a big boss

[tall torrent]

Do u shoot at hordes a lot

[wicked epoch]

Yup

[pure vigil]

nades are kino

[wicked epoch]

sometimes i panic and just magdump