veteran-class

[spice wadi]

(aka literally everyone who isnt me is dead)

[somber axle]

Brick time but it's a Power Sword Mk VI so as long as you swap the blessings to Power Cycler IV and Brutal Momentum it will still destroy things effectively. The perks are not good either though

[spice wadi]

my current problem to solve is when you go round a corner and a kid's birthday party worth of ragers suddenly comes out of a portable toilet sized room

[coral imp]

So try and get another one then.

[spice wadi]

which at the mo im solving with shotguns

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa have a funny interaction with Ragers and Executioner's Stance. Exe Stance buffs ranged impact damage for better stagger potential. The Recon Mk VIIa in particular also got a small impact buff too

So you can stagger Ragers and force them to stand still and die LOL

the stagger ends up being so strong you can keep a single Flak Rager pinned in place constantly until it dies

it's a hidden funny thing with the Collateral stat and makes them funny anti-Rager tools for pinning down Ragertide well

[spice wadi]

I vaguely remember the infantry las having insane maniac ADMs

[somber axle]

but Collateral is usually a dump stat for most and not a lot of people enjoy using Exe Stance vs Voice of Command or Infiltrate so it doesn't see a lot of use

[spice wadi]

I'm moving away from shout at the mo because it's starting to feel a bit crutch-like

whoops I misplayed hugely and overextended guess ill just screech my way out

[somber axle]

if you like pulling off really cool solo clutch moments I'd recommend trying Infiltrate

you can do some pretty fun things with it

[coarse wolf]

i am never touching the tac axe again

[somber axle]

you still have a Plan B option if you overextend but now you also have a tool to hit stealth and just force an objective like doing a remote or something in the middle of a fight so long as no one on your team baits a Crusher/Mauler overhead into you and they stay away during Bomber tosses

you can sneak up and save a downed squadmate incredibly easy too

and if you fall behind the squad for any reason you can catch up safely through the movement speed buff and the stealth from it

it lets me sneak down hallways to get plasteel/diamantine while checking for ammo crates/medkits/stims

then rush back to the squad even if they're pushing up aggressively and quickly

[spice wadi]

are you funded by Big Infiltrate

[somber axle]

yes

I am the Sneaky Cat

OH ALSO FUNNY INTERACTION

you can underhand toss shredder frag grenades without breaking stealth

you have the time to drop all three before stealth breaks if you wanted to

[coarse wolf]

that's actually funny asf

[somber axle]

beware of dropping kraks because if they stick to something they'll break stealth when they pop

smoke grenades can also be underhand dropped without breaking stealth

if you turn a corner into 8 ragers you can hit infiltrate and while they're running into your squad you can drop two shredder frag grenades to bleed them to death before opening fire into their backs

the only rough part about shredder frag grenades + infiltrate is

the worm

[coarse wolf]

i wish matchmaking would stop putting me with new players

[spice wadi]

teaching moment

[coarse wolf]

i have 100 hours it's just my vet that's low level game PLEASE

[spice wadi]

it's the update

all the interested bros and rusty bros are back in the underhive

[somber axle]

I'm surprised there are so many new people/returning people but it's fun to see people back like this

even if it makes some matches more stressful

ALSO EXAMPLE OF THE WORM...

[coarse wolf]

i've literally only gotten level 7-9 players who die instantly on diff 3 while im like "i dont even know how to play vet for the love of god stop dying"

[somber axle]

cutting across from left to right or vice versa is pretty awkward for talent point expense

but on the bright side it lets you comfortably grab Demo Stockpile if you wanted to

[spice wadi]

i spit on the new demo stockpile

give me random ogryn team nukes or give me death

[somber axle]

on the bright side you can still feed an Ogryn constant nukes from Field Improv

[dreamy spade]

Is the mk 7 still the best recon lasgun

[somber axle]

just hoard an ammo crate and then give it to the Ogryn and tell them to go nuts

[spice wadi]

yes my ogryn teammate whips me with jumper cables

if i dont bring field improv

[uncut pebble]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY WORM

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa are both the best general purpose Lasguns now. Recon Mk II has better ammo economy and SLIGHTLY better single target DPS, Recon Mk VIIa has cleave and better damage if you stack rending to melt Crushers with it

So yyyyes kinda

[wild summit]

so ....

[spice wadi]

helbore homies will not stand for this automatic nonsense

[wild summit]

tanner made a new video

[somber axle]

Love the worm

[uncut pebble]

Inb4 backup clips this to take it out of context.

[coarse wolf]

just threw on a recon lasgun, it has to be getter than the helbore and braced autoguns right? right??

[wild summit]

can we just agree to ... eh ... leave the guy alone?
I feel like there is no winning on either side with that situation

[spice wadi]

worse has been clipped out of this channel

[uncut pebble]

Depends on the model and helbores/brautoguns aren't to be slept on.

[spice wadi]

who is tanner and why are we leaving him alone

[uncut pebble]

I hear the mk6 recon is... not good.

[coarse wolf]

the charge and shite accuracy ruin them for me

[somber axle]

I still say the Helbore Mk II is one of THE best weapons in the entire game when you pair it with the right talent tree, perks, blessings and stats. I ran a No Ammo Maelstrom earlier leaning heavily on my Helbore Mk II throughout the match and never went empty. I think the lowest I came as we reached the assassination target was 234 rounds in reserve with a full clip in the gun?

Infinite ammo gun LOL

[wild summit]

a semi controversial figure from the community, some say he does one thing while he claims he does another

[uncut pebble]

You need the right blessings on both of them to make them worth using.

Helbores excel with surgical and weight of fire.

Their ammo economy is unmatched when you have shock trooper.

[wild summit]

dont know if he tries to farm sympathy or if he is genuine, i only like to deal with absolute certainty
He went on a massive rant about the D-tide community

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/april-ludgate-park-sandrec-someone-w-ill-die-of-fun-gif-9375144

[uncut pebble]

Brautoguns, I don't know much about, but I'm sure they're actually quite good if you roll them right.

[wild summit]

apparently some telling him to off himself, which i know the sane people in this community wont do and there is always the badle apples in one

[uncut pebble]

I used to be a helbore denier until I got a god roll one.

[uncut pebble]

Respectfully I don't think anyone much cares for some internet microcelebrity.

[coarse wolf]

recon las is so much better holy crap

[somber axle]

That's kinda crazy but I'm not really watching the Tanner drama too closely
As rude as the dude can be that's definitely taking things too far

[wild summit]

well it was (apparently) enough for some people to tell him to off himself

[somber axle]

Yeah! It got major buffs 😄

[uncut pebble]

Ok? That's their business.

No reason to be spreading drama.

[somber axle]

I've been whispered things in WoW that feel like they're worse tbh

[wild summit]

again, i do not know the whole story, but apparently thats "just the way he is" and he does not mean harm ... but again to that i say ... you dont wanna change for anyone, which is fine, but be ready that people are not okay with the contra they might send your way

[spice wadi]

world of warcraft player

[somber axle]

not that it's a competition but like

[spice wadi]

neyyyeerrr

[somber axle]

block and ignore

[uncut pebble]

I've been whispered things in d2 that I should go to therapy for.

Especially after trials matches.

[somber axle]

I quit WoW during Shadowlands and have never looked back, and do not plan on ever going back tbh

[spice wadi]

altho people who are that lost in the sauce that they're going after the guy's very life are probably either not active in here to the point they can be talked to

[wild summit]

yeah f bombs and offing oneself is defs too far over a video game tbf

[spice wadi]

or are so deranged they're not going to reveal themselves

[wild summit]

bad actors almost never reveal themselves

[uncut pebble]

4chan will get them, don't you worry.

[somber axle]

I don't think anyone here would say stuff like that tbh but people do like to clown on his opinions, especially the ones he presents as facts

[uncut pebble]

Seriously, 4chan has found so many weirdos online for the FBI it's actually kind of scary.

[spice wadi]

the worst here seems to be jokingly making tanner tuesdays a channel fun day

and that's a very strong use of

[somber axle]

I only said that as a joke LMFAO

[spice wadi]

'worst'

[somber axle]

I don't think that's ever going to be a thing

more that it's just funny that Tanner as a topic has come up so often lately so I joked it might as well be a Vet chat weekly holiday

[spice wadi]

the vibe just seems to be ppl see him as a guy who is frequently overconfidently wrongers

[somber axle]

tbh some of his vids DO have useful info imo

[spice wadi]

the problemo with videos in general is that you can have a mostly good one

[somber axle]

I learned how Toughness Regen as a curio perk works from one of his vids and before that vid I was running that perk on all my curios constantly

[spice wadi]

but have some problems

and then it's a massive pain in the ass to update everything

because the video is out there and you cant edit it live once posted

[somber axle]

His "damage is a dump stat" video is also misleading because it's clickbait and 10 seconds in he acknowledges that before explaining that damage is only important if it earns you a breakpoint and anything more is meaningless fluff

which is correct yeah

but most people don't actually test breakpoints in the Psykanium

so the default of "Damage 80%" even if it's extreme is just born from people not wanting to do math and big number makes it easier

don't have to think about if your damage stat is high enough for breakpoints, don't have to test them

it is 80 so if you don't meet the breakpoint it is because of perks/blessings/talents

though he also did call people here gorillas which made me laugh LOL

[elder fiber]

\o/

[somber axle]

there's definitely some hate being thrown around from the community at him, and from him at the community

[spice wadi]

it's weird that there are now two videos I know of where the poster has a fight with the darktide discord

[sterile garnet]

how do you know that ogryns dont get kidney stones

[somber axle]

yeah idk I can't imagine being that upset that I'd make a video of being upset but then I'm not a youtuber so

[spice wadi]

i have already explained this mankar

please refer

[somber axle]

CONGRATS!

[quick burrow]

i drink enough "fluid" i count coffee as a fluid its got water in it

[somber axle]

they'd be kidney boulders in an Ogryn's case

[spice wadi]

@old quail show urself u cave dwelling creature

[old quail]

i just want an ogryn kidney stone necklace

[spice wadi]

he knows how uncomfortable it would be to be grape shaped

[old quail]

total and utter nonsense

[dreamy spade]

Okay so I just used the mk 7 recon and its A LOT better, i wanna use the mk2 though because its base skin is green😭

[sterile garnet]

i do not see any data suggesting that ogryn do not live past 30

[spice wadi]

josho's gameplay on ogryn

[sterile garnet]

and even so, if age 30 t o them is like living to 100 in a human

then age 15 would put them well within kidney stone development range

[old quail]

when will dan abnett weigh in on the kidney stone controversy

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk II is still good! And I also prefer it not just because of the slightly better single target DPS and better ammo efficiency, but ALSO because it matches PERFECTLY with the Elysian outfit!

[sterile garnet]

JOKE THIEF

JOSHO IS A JOKE THIEF

[old quail]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[spice wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-tweak-tweaking-what-gif-1547006946285359423

[dreamy spade]

Idk the elysian one but i have a lot of green skins, ill try the mk2

[somber axle]

I love the Elysians so much

They're my fav regiment

[dreamy spade]

Oh yeah that is nice

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk II also looks really good with Cadian sets though!

[spice wadi]

every time someone posts a picture of elysians GW writes another blurb in which a regiment of them gets slaughtered

[somber axle]

They also canonically use Recons!

[dreamy spade]

I like the fact the scion is the same colour as the executioner stance

[somber axle]

I hope we get a Grav Chute cosmetic in the store eventually

it would be perfect to complete the look

grav chute backpack please

[dreamy spade]

The green bag fits this

[shadow aurora]

When are we getting these bastards?

[dreamy spade]

Oh does "onslaught" work for guns?

[shadow aurora]

Does your name mean bolter and autopistol or bolter and bolt pistol?

[dreamy spade]

Both bolt

[shadow aurora]

Then figure it out yourself

Joking

I believe its ranged too

I was actually testing damage in grinder with bpistol earlier and i got less dps without it

But ill go try it again just to make sure

[tropic imp]

Yup, all kinds of damage

[shadow aurora]

Oh

[tropic imp]

Grenades too, but not the DoT

[dreamy spade]

That's great for recon lasgun then

40% brittleness in like 2 seconds

[tropic imp]

Really good if you want it to deal with crushers, but it's a bit awkward to get in the talent tree

[somber axle]

Onslaught is very good for the Recon Mk VId because the ADMs on some types are a bit low so the brittleness offsets that

but it's only 2.5% brittleness per stack, 1 stack per shot, max stacks 16 for a total 40% brittleness at cap

The Recon Mk VId hits that cap FAST

the Recon Mk VIIa shoots too slowly to get much value out of it

and the value with the Recon Mk II is also questionable

but it does help all Recons perform better on Crushers

it just helps the Recon Mk VId more than the other two variants

[placid portal]

amazing FS is going in another vaccation 😎

[somber axle]

but the good news!

they fixed the paid cosmetic skin for the boltpistol

they just removed the candle in first person

it's still visible to others afaik

just no longer in your eyes

[placid portal]

lmaooo

can't wait for their fall vaccation too XD

[somber axle]

dude I'm right there with them LOL

[placid portal]

I wish I had that many vaccations XD

[somber axle]

I've got a vacation in August and a vacation set up for September too

just gotta spread out the PTO

[spice wadi]

americans cannot comprehend the notion of holidays

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/to-earn-the-right-to-work-right-to-work-earn-the-right-to-work-the-fine-print-fine-print-gif-9576040394118700442

[bitter turtle]

you're asking the wrong people

or rather

[placid portal]

am asian, do not know what is holiday except government mandated holidays

[bitter turtle]

anyone who would bother listening to such a plea is probably not the person who sends such things in the first place

nevermind someone like tanner

you can have nice and friendly people still get thrown shit like that, ppl who do that sorta thing will just do it

[placid portal]

how do I use mk4 Knife again XP I know there is a cleave combo but I forgor

[bitter turtle]

if something like empathy was on their plate to begin with to listen to such a request they wouldn't be the type to do it in the first place

my friend recently post a cosplay she did, she's also an amazing artist (like actually, she has lines to her booth/sells out when she travels to events)

[spice wadi]

from a brief glance it looks like a bossmanjack spiral

[bitter turtle]

most ppl are supportive but she gets a message telling her she wasted her life drawing anime and is a fat ugly fuck

lol

ppl are just like that

same hing happens to some vtubers, the type of people that would listen to "dont start drama" are not the shit stirrers in the first place in general

[bitter turtle]

are you talking about mk6?

there is no mk4

there's two main options imo
[] brackets are the part you loop

Heavy Heavy [Light Heavy]
[Heavy Heavy] QQ/block cancel

[placid portal]

thanks

[wispy pine]

hey guys do you have any build with buffed accatran lasgun?

[bitter turtle]

yea

which one do you want to use

[wispy pine]

I dont know depends which one is best, but I guess that fastest one is still best right?

[bitter turtle]

nno

no*

the 7 was and still is the best one

after the initial nerf months ago a tleast

well

[wispy pine]

oh

[bitter turtle]

im guessing you want to use 7 then

its the best one because all 3 have similar dps but 7 has cleave

the fastest one has the niche of being able to stack onslaught very fast to kill crushers but its a big point investment on the tree to kill crushers with your gun and not much else

[wispy pine]

k didnt know about that

[bitter turtle]

not really worth if you want to be "optimal" but there's someone here who loves doing it

hence me asking which one you wanted to use

https://i.gyazo.com/0d91c778ff326dc31d802ad04e8f3f79.png

3 pts to go wherever you want

if you need melee talents

or just wanna take other grenade talent

or w/e

determined (suppression immunity) might be worth taking too

i dont think its strictly necessary for recons but it can be nice if you find yourself getting suppressed by gunners a lot

[wispy pine]

and do you have any with executioner stance? 🤔

[bitter turtle]

yea

[wispy pine]

instead of voice of command

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/78f1b38bfe7d468385e320b4144f232e.png

u just switch lanes

but you lose 1 pt to use

because voc pathing is overpowered

switching lanes to voc saves you 1 pt

[wispy pine]

ok gonna try it

[shadow aurora]

What build is this for

[bitter turtle]

mk7 recon

[dreamy spade]

I just realised the gunners gun looks like an mg42

[shadow aurora]

Shocktrooper works on recon now?

[wispy pine]

and perks are flak/maniac with infernus and something else?

[bitter turtle]

they made it work again

a while ago

[bitter turtle]

no

well

flak m aniac yes

headhutner + dumdum or infernus(?)

[shadow aurora]

I gotta go adjust my build then

[bitter turtle]

mk7 used to be headhunter + dumdum only

but they buffed infernus last patch

it may be worthwhile now on the slower firing recons

it used to be only good on the fast one (6d)

idk i havent tested it though

you can be a guinea pig if you like

headhunter + dumdum is 100% good for sure though

just infernus might be a valid sidegrade now

but havent tested so i dont feel comfortable saying yes or no to that

[dreamy spade]

Did they buff shovels

[shadow aurora]

Why would the shovels be buffed

[bitter turtle]

not to my knowledge

tbh i should just get into psykarium and at least test the dps of infernus vs dumdum on mk7 now but i keep forgetting

dont think i can be assed to actually roll one to test in a real game though

[wispy pine]

should I learn headhunter 4 and put it on this gun? just because there is already dumdum and can switch stamina for flak

[bitter turtle]

yeah

the right one is a godroll basically

well

not a godroll, the ammo could be a bit higher

but dumdum t3 doesnt matter

its literally 0.5% dmg per stack difference so

barely matters

just swap the 2 stam to flak, swap sustained fire to headhunter

and u have a better one than i do

[bitter turtle]

yea looks solid as fug

you should be good

they're basically

decent guns now

not top tier or anything but

if you like your rapid fire laser gun

its like solid b tier gun imo

[coarse wolf]

early game it's a god send

the difference

is night and day

[bitter turtle]

the main thing that rly crippled them before is the shitty maniac dps, but now its passable enough that you dont cry every time you have to shoot specialists

[coral willow]

me when new gun isnt overpowered as plasma:

[bitter turtle]

and it has the niche of near 0 recoil and shocktrooper making the clip fairly large compared to autogun counterparts

[coral willow]

wanna use it on zealot tbh

ill learn how to make melee vet more

[bitter turtle]

i find i tweird zealot is excluded from using it but not psyker tbh

[wispy pine]

and with what weapon I should combine it?

power sword ?

[bitter turtle]

power sword is fine yea

just pair it with anything that can kill crushers

[shadow aurora]

Shockmaul

[bitter turtle]

which is basically

everything except a dclaw

so as long as u dont use a dclaw

you're fine

[wispy pine]

I can use this one or this

[shadow aurora]

use the dclaw

do it

[wispy pine]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

[shadow aurora]

Huh what was that?

[bitter turtle]

uhhh

right one i guess

[coral willow]

always thought it shared a place with shotguns

zealot gets half

and psyker gets the other half

[bitter turtle]

cleave dmg being low-ish mgiht be bad though? idk, since ur using sunder and not bromentum

but cara is more useful than unarmored

[coral willow]

tbh wierdest thing for me is that headhunter isnt locked out of zealot

[wispy pine]

yeah but like that new sunder buff for heavy attacks

[bitter turtle]

if you want to spam heavies

you mgiht want to consdier making a mk3 psword

[coral willow]

^

[wispy pine]

left one is mk3

right one is mk6

[bitter turtle]

oh lol

then use left ig

if you want to spam heavies

mk6 is still the better weapon overall

but

not like mk3 is a bad weapon by any means

and if you want to use sunder heavy spam

its better than the 6 at that

[coral willow]

sunder buff was secretely a mk3 psword buff

[bitter turtle]

this is pre sunder buff

#veteran-class message

kill 4 rager in one power

idk it might be able to kill 5 now'

[coral willow]

my bromentum mk3 killed like 6 at once

that was fun

[trim hemlock]

Recon 7a is genuinely very fun now

[coral willow]

my question is now how do i get it on zealot

[trim hemlock]

[light ridge]

Mk 2 is fun too

[trim hemlock]

that's the neat thing, you equip the laspistol

[coral willow]

smh

mk10 laspistool doesnt have the pen

[trim hemlock]

I will have to give it a try yet, albeit I really like that the 7a has cleave

[coral willow]

when will they give mk12 ilas a cleave that matches 7a recon?

[trim hemlock]

[bitter turtle]

i think the cleave is invaluable on recon yea

[coral willow]

i like heavy weaponry out of the buncha variants having upside as a extra cleave

which ilas doesnt have

[bitter turtle]

helps it with crowd ocntrol on a gun that has absolutely no stagger

[shadow aurora]

Why do you have a keyboard art shrug as an emoji

[bitter turtle]

i can only still kill 4 😔

[trim hemlock]

I don't, some server has

I could do the shortcut to evoke it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

like this

but Discord makes it a bit easier I suppose

Mk2 recon doesn't want high collateral still, no?

[shadow aurora]

Oh

[somber axle]

Collateral can be fun for pairing with Exe Stance to stagger Ragers

It's normally a dump stat though

[trim hemlock]

Most of my shelved Mk2's have high collateral

[somber axle]

Deathspitter to Dum Dum, crit chance to Maniac and it is ready

[coral willow]

dont you extra-dump to line the headshots?

[somber axle]

Depends on your head tracking and how much you value stunlocking a Rager to keep the danger away

[trim hemlock]

Not very, I suppose

[coral willow]

i tested the wierd claim of me oneshotting 6 ragers before
looks like the furhtest two were shot to like half health, hm

[somber axle]

But if you like dodge backpedaling away from rager swings while aiming head height you either want collateral low or you want to skip Exe Stance

[bitter turtle]

i assumed you meant they were dmged anyway from the start

[coral willow]

when i did it it was the furthest two that were facing the team

i killed it all in a left-right swing

[trim hemlock]

So far I played the Mk7a with VoC, I've yet to play with the Exec stance, but the current state of pubs somewhat discourages me from doing that

[coral willow]

test does show that the furthest two doesnt obviously get affected by BM and doesnt get killed

ill just assume they were shot to half health

the back ones were full

[placid portal]

wait infiltrate sneak attack damage applies on the attack that breaks stealth?

[coral willow]

duh

which is why i use it

its not shroudfield but with how much vet packs it can rival that

[placid portal]

I read it as you gain damage buff when you lose stealth XDDD

[coral willow]

yea

[placid portal]

I didn't know it apply buff on the attack that breaks it

[coral willow]

but you also get the buff(including everything on the lower tree) exact moment you get out of stealth

[somber axle]

Exe Stance is probably my fav ability right now. Infiltrate is a close 2nd though

[placid portal]

damn, even For the Emperor?

[bitter turtle]

yea

[coral willow]

p sure yes

[bitter turtle]

i think

[placid portal]

Fuckin ell they didn't explain shit for that

[coral willow]

heres a comparison

[placid portal]

in prechange to keystones vet they just didn't allow infiltrate to get For the Emperor

[coral willow]

so you get +30% +15% + 10% damage for 5 seconds

[placid portal]

Damn, infiltrate really point hungry

[coral willow]

you can be extra spicy if you go for marksman but why kek

[placid portal]

unless 50% toughness resist is optional;

[coral willow]

also infiltrate usually doesnt get used like this

i just use it like this

usually peple just pick the -90% threat one

and then skip all the nodes

[placid portal]

I pick only the double charges

[bitter turtle]

i usually overwatch + low profile

[coral willow]

mostly cause it either conflicts with the threat, makes the cooldown abysmal, or doesnt provide any BP advantage

i like it tho

but ye it eats up points

then again vet has this, and this

[placid portal]

ngl Exe stance without counter fire is good in aurics since elites and specialists are the common fodder I guess

[bitter turtle]

well

half those nodes on wep specialist are useless anyway

lel

[coral willow]

true

but it exists kekw

[placid portal]

20% toughness recovery every weapon swap is cool

[coral willow]

i do like the idea of on your toes but the furthest two subnodes are quite worthless

[bitter turtle]

that one is fine yes

but the furthest out ones are pretty badf

invig is great though

[coral willow]

even if it provided like bonkers stats it might not even be picked cause points kek

[placid portal]

20% instant stamina regen sounds situational

[coral willow]

for vet its nice afterall

it still confuses me

how

[bitter turtle]

its nice if u run deadshot with a knife

20% stamina gives you enough to push atk twice

incidentally crushers die to heavy -> push -> push

so

[coral willow]

tree with the deadshot talent is the only keystone in vet's arsenal that doesnt have a stamina regen

[bitter turtle]

works out well

[coral willow]

it only has toughness

it always

makes my head swing

[placid portal]

mk6 or mk3 combo?

I know mk6 has insane finesse on pushattack compared to mk3

[coral willow]

so deadshot absolutely requires other keystones to work
but like deadshot not working with its "designated tree" always confuses me
then again this isnt the first time fatshank does this

[coral willow]

nope its the same

[placid portal]

Ah

[coral willow]

unless you mean powerswords

in which yes

knife doesnt have that luxury sadly

[bitter turtle]

both have push attack as their highest dps

[placid portal]

Nice

[coral willow]

mk3 can do the funny punch stab tho

idk if that has more dps though

[placid portal]

I just thought that thrusting push attacks just have better finesse in general lol

[coral willow]

its annoying to do it consistently is what matters kek

[coral willow]

iu did too but when i tested it it has exact same dmg profile

just the motion diff

no finesse no crit no wp nothing

[placid portal]

Does that mean Catachan mk4 and mk7 push attack are the same?

[coral willow]

damage is the same

also no

dont ask why

[placid portal]

I will be real catachan claws are cool but I think I might need a rashad to kill armored enemies XP

[bitter turtle]

it does not

does more dps than ehavy spam though

so if you dont have any stam

its an option

[coral willow]

hm

[coral willow]

even in marty i assume

neat

[bitter turtle]

well

we tested on vet

idk how marty would change things though

so id assume so

[wicked epoch]

hey chaps how do i make the bolt pistol viable

im used to the bolter

[forest scaffold]

Use the revolver

[wicked epoch]

i would but i wanna use the bolt because of the gimmick

[gentle maple]

Your fav melee vs horde? Need something with a quick attack pattern. Mk3 ps and rashad are awesome but feel slow when you need to get out of a pinch

[bitter turtle]

weapon specialist

[wicked epoch]

what does that do

[bitter turtle]

guarantees a gun crit after melee kill

gives an melee attackspeed buff after a gun kill

[wicked epoch]

i see

[topaz lance]

I always thought the WS modifiers are a bit of a clusterfuck. Just roll the melee/ranged nodes into one each and have it have 3 modifier nodes. There you go, not overpowered and simple. Noone is taking the outermost nodes anyways.

[gentle maple]

What are the perks and blessings to look out for for agni maul?

[short wigeon]

Perk wise I know flak and maniac are solid choices

Blessings I haven’t fully touched on myself so I can’t give too informed of an opinion

[bitter turtle]

high voltage/skullcrusher is safe to run

there are other options but you cant really go wrong with 2 dmg ups

[hollow warren]

I've finally done it. Phew

[short wigeon]

Noice

[umbral scaffold]

I still need thoses 2 vet penances that are the stealth supression and the krak one. They are just so tedious

[hollow warren]

my last 3 ones were the smoke screen, the stealth supression and the adept assassin

[umbral scaffold]

Whats thr adept assasin one again

[hollow warren]

weapon specialist, kill specials/elites with a weak spot crit

250 kills

[umbral scaffold]

Ih thats easy just us a high crit weapon

[uncut pebble]

Stealth suppression is really easy. Just pop stealth and walk up to a crowd of shooters and start meleeing.

[umbral scaffold]

Vld and youre good in 2 days max

[short wigeon]

Combo that with a tac-axe for maximum crit cheese

[umbral scaffold]

Or use plasma abd use the blessing that gives you huger crit chance with higher charge

[hollow warren]

that's basically how I got mine

[short wigeon]

Because melee counts towards progress

[hollow warren]

60/60 on Psyker and Veteran. 60/61 for ogryn, still need that 25 kills with one bomb 25 times

can't ba arsed to use bomb, when rock is better

worst penance left for Zealot, the Behind Enemy Lines one

[serene bough]

what blessings are best for chaxe

mk4

[wise fossil]

How do people actually enjoy the power sword?

This is the slowest melee I've ever used and i've been using the new picks on Ogryn

Especially with the new speed added to chaff enemies

[coral willow]

it just works

i use it with the ws speed

melts everything

[wraith locust]

even without melee points its still pretty fast

compared to other weapons

[wise fossil]

[willow siren]

@wise fossil Halfdan? no i want the fulldan

[wise fossil]

Just wait until you meet Quarterdan

[willow siren]

okay brunt

[coral willow]

i mean

rashad is very slow

just taht its quite reliable to get kills with every strike

[wise fossil]

Rashad is a medium weapon, Psword is heavy. The dodge distance is much greater with Rashad, as is the uptime without the requirement to activate

[willow siren]

what perks for the Vlla

[tall torrent]

Haven’t tried shock maul much, my plateeel mainly went to Ogryn pickaxes

That’s pretty cool

Not “my build”, it’s just plasma itself having very strict breakpoints

[coral willow]

idk its your build to me

clearly not mine

[abstract kiln]

The revolvers, which one is generally considered best?

[tall torrent]

headtaker & slaughterer

[tall torrent]

zarona

[abstract kiln]

Ok ty

[terse idol]

I mean

The attack speed of the rashad is on the slow end

And yes the psword has one of the least defensive options

It has one of the best offensive capabilities though

[tall torrent]

[wise fossil]

Really was not looking to argue the finer points of these weapons tbh. I asked how people enjoy the Psword because it seems I'm missing something. Everyone talks about how great it is, so I assume there's some tip or technique I'm not using

[tall torrent]

which power sword

6?

u need to learn block cancel

and the push atk combo

[wise fossil]

Push attack into light to 2 shot crusher, right?

[wise fossil]

What's the block cancel?

[tall torrent]

u block cancel as soon as the weapon charges up

[abstract kiln]

i cant post pics yet?

whats the cooldown

[terse idol]

When you get the red role

Which happens when you message a certain number of times on the discoord

[abstract kiln]

ah ok ty

i good a wild roll

got*

[orchid hemlock]

COLORS

WHEN NEW VET GUIDE??? 😭

[tall torrent]

I can send it to u rn if u want

has a few sections unfinished

[orchid hemlock]

🙏🏻

🥹

[simple jay]

i need a vet guide too pls

[orchid hemlock]

i dont even know why I want it, I finished vet penances so I prob wont be playing it for a while 😔

[tall torrent]

it's unfinished (has a few sections left) but I can send in dm if u want

[simple jay]

🙏

[uncut pebble]

I'll wait for it to be finished. Having numbers and whatnot on hand for a class is quite nice.

[tall torrent]

gonna be a while cuz I haven't checked how the new weapons' blessings work exactly

[bitter turtle]

smite stonks went up

since High Voltage work with smite lul

[old quail]

i wish you could use the taze special on smite psykers to instantly kill them

[bleak cradle]

It does? I thought someone here tested it when it released and said it didn’t

[wise fossil]

Is the timing on the cancel input right when the powered sound happens?

Okay I see, it's actually immediately before the charge sound

[thick needle]

"Block canceling"
The Emperor does not love those who hesitate, I am mashing m1 Gorilla style

[bitter turtle]

idk someone in psyker chat claimed it did

[marble mantle]

Idk what ranged weapon I should go for now to pair with my shock maul. I’ve been using db and recon mk2, but I also have bistol and plasma

WS got me wanting to try everything

[marble mantle]

You suggested vraks right?

What should I aim for on it? Stats perks blessings yk

[thick needle]

With weapon specialist you want a weapon with singular high-damage shots, so

• Revolver
• Plasma gun
• Bolt Pistol

[tall torrent]

weapon specialist plasma got nerfed this patch

[thick needle]

Whahappen

[tall torrent]

close range redefined from 8m to 12.5m

longshot now activates at 12.5m+

[faint beacon]

Long deserved Veteran nerf as they say

[tall torrent]

plasma with weapon specialist needs longshot for 1 tap dreg gunner & both flamers, unless u want to run weird perks

so if the enemy gets somewhere in <14m u lose 1 tap vs these guys

it's a nerf that only really matters for WS plasma

but it does matter a lot for WS plasma

[thick needle]

Oh yeah, Longshot would be less effective now huh
Welp, more points for Determined on Bolter

[tall torrent]

boltgun doesn't get impacted by longshot nerf much

and u still would take longshot to get to volley adept anyways

[thick needle]

Ye I was joking

[coral imp]

Could this be worth it?

[thick needle]

Replace Puncture with Surgical and you've got the funniest headpopper ever

[tall torrent]

save it for crafting update

it's not bad but could be better

10% weakspot is not very good

[coral imp]

What's the crafting update?

[tall torrent]

complete itemization, crafting & gear progression overhaul

[coral imp]

Nice

[thick needle]

So like September

[tall torrent]

Sep/Oct prob

[thick needle]

DAMN NORWAY AND THEIR ADEQUATE WORKER'S PROTECTIONS

[hollow ibex]

unironically better to play games where the devs crunch

none of this "take a whole month off" BS smh

well it's actually more like two months if you factor in the holiday

[marble mantle]

Thoughts?

Just got as a gift from the emperor, looks good

Wanna know if I should rank it up again. I would assume yes

Woohoo! Finally got a 21% health in shop

[coral imp]

What's with norway?

[thick needle]

Afaik they get like a whole month vacation ensured by worker's rights
Which is objectively a good thing I should add

[coral imp]

Same here in Sweden.

[thick needle]

I am not familiar with the details, I've known only one Norwegian person in my whole life and she tried to groom me into joining a neonazi organization

[coral imp]

5 weeks payed vacation.

Nice

How was it?

[hollow ibex]

good for workers, bad for players

[thick needle]

Didn't work because I'm not a nazi and I'm also not Norwegian
Which should've clashed with the whole anti-immigrantion bit from the beginning but what do I know

[tall torrent]

any objections here

[umbral scaffold]

what is good on the chainsword blessing wise

[grand perch]

how is this shit not filtered?

[tall torrent]

which chainsword

[umbral scaffold]

old one

[tall torrent]

savage sweep + rampage/bloodletter

imo

[umbral scaffold]

ty

would I put rampage and bloodletter together?

or is savage sweep the important one

[tall torrent]

Savage sweep helps horde clear more than rampage from what we tested

[tall torrent]

U can report him in FS forums

[grand perch]

yeah i never frequent that

may do

[grand perch]

i just checked my 12 builds and only have more than 200 health on the tryhard one 😄

not really criticism though, its a valid point

[marble mantle]

No one said anything on this so imma try again

[tall torrent]

Low stopping power

[marble mantle]

That the only issue?

Cuz I can probably live with that

[grand perch]

yeah. solid gun otherwise

[marble mantle]

Bet

[grand perch]

stopping power might be more important than you think

[tall torrent]

It’s a big one because u might miss breakpoints from that

[grand perch]

if you like helbores invest in getting a better one soon

[marble mantle]

Might just keep it until itemization update tho

Contingent on how long that’ll be though

[tall torrent]

2~4 months is my guess

September is earliest

[marble mantle]

What kind of breakpoints will I miss with the stopping power problem

Cuz I figure the likelihood of me getting this lucky again is nil

[tall torrent]

Mainly maniac & flak enemies

Also helbore 1 best perks are elite + maniac

[marble mantle]

Alr bet I can change flak to maniac

Trash or workable?

Gonna be using it with WS

[tall torrent]

A bit too low on ammo lol

[marble mantle]

I know, but I can probably live with that if everything else is good. If it’s not I’ll just dump it and keep trying

My range is pretty much my special/elite sniper

[grand perch]

its just 330 base stats youll soon get better

[tall torrent]

Normally people don’t bother with <360 rated weapons

[marble mantle]

Yeah I usually don’t but I’ve seen some weird stuff before

But yeah Alr bet I’ll just get another

[tall torrent]

Ok nvm this is dead in terms of a perfect roll

Infernus is not good on Helbore

[marble mantle]

Oh wack

What should be on it instead?

[tall torrent]

Infernus is only decent on recon

And ok for laspistol on psyker

[marble mantle]

Weight of fire maybe?

[tall torrent]

Everything else it’s not good

[marble mantle]

Oh okay bet

Is there a weight of fire 3/4 or does it stop at 2?

Cuz I only have 2 rn

[tall torrent]

It has up to IV

[marble mantle]

Ok I’ll just use 2 til then, then

[slow spade]

a shame infernus is so meh :c

if it was an AOE ignition then at least it'd be worth considering

[marble mantle]

It should be tbh but that would be way too strong on recons

[slow spade]

lets be honest, Recon needs all the help it can get

less than a month of "pretty good" status for Recon

then never again 😔

[terse idol]

Well now its

Alright

[hollow ibex]

bruh

[willow siren]

more impressive they are going to make it to 30 with that name

[terse idol]

Not unless someone reports the name

[serene bough]

inb4reconnerfround2

would be genuinely funny if they nerfed recon back to dogshit tier

[last parcel]

I’m assuming there’s some breakpoint for toughness that needs +16% since you specified getting a blessing, but including an explanation, even if it’s just “vet like tuffnyess hehe mowo tuffnyess gud :3,” is better than bluntly saying “take at least 1 toughness curio.”
Idk what order you’re sorting with, but since getting >200 hp is a priority, I think the health section should be at the top so that’s the first thing people see here (prob doesn’t matter though)
I don’t think you need to mention that taking stamina curios has an opportunity cost since that should be obvious. Maybe mention Deadshot synergy with stamina.
I’m assuming you covered +wounds outside the screenshot

[tall torrent]

I’m just going over curio attributes one by one, no particular order here

Haven’t covered wounds yet

The stamina opportunity cost part is mentioned because it directly reduces your available options for getting 200+ health

If u run 2 health curios u already have 200+

That still leaves 1 slot open for toughness

If u run only 1 health you need to spec +health in curio perk slot or in talent tree

Running stamina curio in the first place essentially removes the 2 health curio option because you’re gonna get 1 toughness most of if not all the time

[crude fiber]

Mk 6 and 7 recons are pretty good rn, haven't tried the other one but I also got a nice buff

[light ridge]

My toys:

[willow siren]

man, trying to use the XII after recons is miserable

[uncut pebble]

I have the opposite problem. Using a recon when my main lasgun is the mk12 is miserable because the stopping power is incomparable.

[manic cloak]

Is this all you plan on including for curios? There's a lot more to taking a +stam curio than just for blades/axes for example.

[somber axle]

You could run 1 HP, 1 Stam and 1 Toughness curio with some HP perks/nodes from the talent tree without sacrificing too much

+21% HP, +5% HP curio perk, +5% HP curio perk = +31% HP and then you only need one of the talent nodes to reach the breakpoint

[tall torrent]

No this is just very start

[somber axle]

since you want a Sniper resist perk anyway on one curio you could have the 2 HP perks on the other curios and that still leaves you with 6 more spots between the curios to divide between other perks

The extra stam curio just feels too nice to pass up most times even outside of Deadshot imo

More sprinting, more blocking, more push attacks

[tall torrent]

There’re other curio stuff to cover ofc

[somber axle]

It's so much easier to get a downed squadmate up with 1 stam

no stam curio and a small group of poxwalkers is going to overwhelm you before you can get the revive

forcing you to grenade or use shout or infiltrate

with the 1 stam curio you can sprint up, get slapped and block basic strikes without needing to pop a grenade or ability

the biggest hurdle I felt when running funny triple toughness curios for memes was realising I needed to drop a grenade or kill everything surrounding a downed squadmate if I wanted to rescue someone

[tall torrent]

Extra stam is nice for pulling revives yes

[tall torrent]

Or just VoC lol

[crude fiber]

Using VOC in current year

I have no room to talk since I addicted to exe stance

[manic cloak]

I think the weird pitch for HP is the 2x poxburster baseline for health to make 200 HP a breakpoint criteria if you will for vet HP

[tall torrent]

poxburster is not the only breakpoint for 200 health

[manic cloak]

One, that's assuming you've taken 0 chip damage up to that very specific scenario, which is weird to then take something like 5% HP just to meet it.

[tall torrent]

I just haven't gotten to sniper resist part yet

ideally u want a bit more than >200, not exactly 201

which is why getting 2 health curios matters

[crude fiber]

Nah just do the build based entirely around not having your toughness broken by snipers

[tall torrent]

then u need 200+ toughness, 3x sniper resist and both iron will & close order drill at max coherency

[manic cloak]

If you don't take enough toughness, then your % for mitigation against health degrades the less you invest into it. Especially with vet modifiers. Mathematically it's to your advantage commit to neither and balance both for Effective Hit Points (EHP).

[tall torrent]

that breakpoint is significantly less practical than 200hp for both burster & sniper

[tall torrent]

what's "enough toughness" to u

[crude fiber]

Just do it forhead, not so hard

[manic cloak]

Unless you are building entire around a couple specialist use cases, which then most experienced players would tell you to not get hit by snipers and dodge.

[willow siren]

"jsut dont get shot"

[manic cloak]

Depends on if you are running VoC or not, and your average uptime. Vet makes it a bit more complicated than the other classes.

[tall torrent]

"just don't get hit" is not really an effective counterargument to building for these resistance type breakpoints

[crude fiber]

How do curio perks stack btw, additive or multiplicative?

[tall torrent]

depends on which one ur talking abt

[crude fiber]

Of course it isn't just one or the other how silly of me

[shadow dagger]

salvageable?

[manic cloak]

My point is some will argue to not build against the breakpoints at all, and instead build to maximizing the amount of melee chip damage you can take, which then requires a balance of toughness/HP, and even stam depending on weapon.

[crude fiber]

Enemy specific resistances?

[tall torrent]

multiplicative

[manic cloak]

Doesn't look like it. All the blessings and perks are non-optimal.

Save it for the itemization patch though

[crude fiber]

How about block efficiency?

[tall torrent]

multiplicative

[crude fiber]

Or is there somewhere I can look so I dont ask you each one

[last parcel]

maybe there should be a guide for this

[crude fiber]

Maybe a better question is which ines are additive

[tall torrent]

I think minimizing chip dmg applies to any & all builds and doesn't vary by that much from what curios ur taking, at least on veteran

[somber axle]

Yeah that's what I mean. You're forced into wasting VoC on trash to get off a revive, drop a grenade or you have to kill everything with melee/range on approach to get the revive off with no stam curios. Having even just one Stam curio lets you do it comfortably without needing to burn resources

No Stam curios means even 3 poxwalkers are going to break your block while trying to revive

[tall torrent]

the only thing u can rly bring up in "minimizing chip" is vs large waves of ranged horde then it's just +toughness stack being better than mostly everything else

[somber axle]

2 poxwalkers will do it if you are not at full Stam with 0 Stam curios

[manic cloak]

If you are pushing 2x HP curios over 1x HP and 1x Toughness, the former is less effective than the latter unless you are maintaining VoC or gold toughness 100% of the time.

Talking purely chip damage effective HP.

[somber axle]

Sometimes the extra seconds of time or burned resources can matter a bunch during and after the revive

[tall torrent]

give me a calculation method for this

[last parcel]

unless you already have a better one, just slap on dumdum over sustained and swap reload speed for flak
it's a ciag so you'll be fine with 1 bad blessing

[tall torrent]

and I never once said 2x health vs 1 health 1 toughness

[manic cloak]

I used to do a whole bunch of math shit for WoW EHP back in the day when I no lifed it. Seeing if I can dig up any of the formulas that might apply. The complex issue is that toughness depreciates, unlike armor in WoW, which then derives a curve essentially for mitigation value.

[tall torrent]

I said 2 health gives u more options on the remaining slots

u can run 2 health + 1 toughness

[somber axle]

There's probably an argument for having just on the edge of HP breakpoint being bad because chip damage is inevitable for a lot of people and if less than 10 chip damage drops you below the breakpoint then it isn't going to help when it matters most

Probably why Numbers Cat advocates for 2 HP curios to offset chip damage somewhat

[tall torrent]

it's basically this

because 2x health straight up is +40%

if u worry abt chip dmg then u still can build other +health in perk slots because 2x health gives u perk slot options

if u take 1 +3 stam

[somber axle]

Yeah though you can also reasonably reach +40% HP through 1 HP curio, perks and talents. It just requires a more strict set up

[tall torrent]

ur forced into 1 health + 3x 4~5% health

this just barely sends u over the 200 breakpoint

[somber axle]

+21%, +5% (perk), +5% (perk), +5% (talent), +5% (talent) = +41% HP

You still hit the same HP breakpoint 2 HP curios do but you trade curio perk slots and talent points to hit it which is honestly preferable for some just to have the Stam curio instead of running 2 HP

2 curio perk slots don't seem so bad either

[tall torrent]

as for the "these breakpoints don't matter that much" argument, then getting 1 health vs no health makes almost no difference when things go horribly wrong

because 150 vs 180 just don't matter that much

[tall torrent]

taking both +5% from talent is extremely rare

because ur forced to go top left into krak

[somber axle]

That's the best way to have a steak

[tall torrent]

at most ur getting a single +5% in tree

after longshot nerf I can't rly think of a reason to go top left anymore

[somber axle]

Though yeah if you only get 1 HP talent you will need the third curio perk

Even still that is worth imo

+3 Stam is just a MASSIVE quality of life increase

[tall torrent]

for reviving? yea

for knife/tac axe, yea

[somber axle]

For sprinting, blocking, push attacks, revives

And of course

My fav talent

Deadshot

[tall torrent]

sprint efficiency outperforms +stam on vast majority of weapons

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[tall torrent]

block is uh, not that relevant outside of a few enemies

push atk yes, but most weapons don't utilize multiple push attacks in a combo

[somber axle]

The distance you get from having sprint efficiency coupled with +3 Stam means when you get where you mean to go you have Stam to play with for push attacks, shoving, blocking, etc.

Or the revive

[tall torrent]

do u actually check how far u can go with 3x sprint efficiency at 6 stam

[somber axle]

Don't shovels also use push attack in their combo to kill Crushers? Push attack is also incredibly useful for Power Sword Mk VI

Like push attacks are just very useful outside of just two weapons

And being able to do more is a nice bonus

[tall torrent]

which of these actually spams multiple PAs in a single combo

[somber axle]

Yuri showed a vid using shovel with Uncanny to kill a Crusher by spamming push attacks

I vaguely remember it from last night

[somber axle]

The point is that being able to use multiple push attacks is a very nice quality of life increase

You do less of them with no Stam curios

Like there's nothing wrong with 2 HP, 1 Toughness but your Stam barely exists and you either need to offset that by using sprint efficiency/block efficiency and grab Stam as a perk on your chosen melee weapon

Or

Grab Stam curios and trade a few curio slots to still effectively meet the HP breakpoint

This always comes down to a preference from the player

[manic cloak]

This is essentially what I mean by applying a formula for EHP. The scale in between in green (i.e. 99% - 0% toughness remaining) is where you'd apply your % toughness damage mitigated value, then determine what balance between Toughness and HP is most effective.

[somber axle]

Neither will ever be objectively better than the other

[tall torrent]

u can go check shovel rn, if ur going for a single target standard shovel set-up the build doesn't need more than 2 pushes vs crusher

[somber axle]

It's entirely on whether someone's loadout/style would rather have the Stam curio or if they don't need the extra stam and would rather free up the curio perk slots for something else

[somber axle]

I can find the vid one sec

[tall torrent]

and u physically cannot throw pushes out on shovel as fast as smth like knife

[tall torrent]

yea ik how melee bleedthrough works, what's the actual effective health you're suggesting here with consideration to toughness gain in combat, TDR conditional activations, and enemies' atk dmg values

[somber axle]

Yes but that was never the point of the clip either
#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

yea u can throw 4 PAs to kill a crusher, in actual practice ur not going to spam PAs like that because crushers' sweep breaks all stamina if it lands while ur doing PA

[somber axle]

It's less about matching Knife speed because I don't think much can, but more showing Shovel Uncanny TTK on Crushers

[somber axle]

If you have no Stam and eat the hit then push attacks either were never an option or you failed the dodge and messed up the combo

[tall torrent]

ik what it looks like, it's 3 hit if u build for it

what's the actual argument ur trying to make here

for +stam?

[dusky cape]

hey how are people getting more than one hit out of the power on thw power sword i thought they removed that

[tall torrent]

power cycler blessing

[somber axle]

I know you know what it looks like, the point is that it is easier to do with a Stam curio and harder to pull off without

Stam just makes everything easier

That's my point LOL

Like every aspect of the game from mobility to melee play becomes more comfy with a single Stam curio vs without

And that is never something you will measure in numbers because it is playstyle dependent and up to the player to decide

So you should naturally share info on how to reach the breakpoint in different ways vs 1 cookie cutter method

Because your method may not vibe with everyone

[dusky cape]

witch power sword do you think is better or are they both equal

[tall torrent]

I did ?

I said as long as u reach >34%

[tall torrent]

mk6 is better

[somber axle]

Tbh 34%+ is even easier to hit with 1 less HP curio/perk but the chip damage is too spicy

[dusky cape]

good cause i already started upgrading one

[crude fiber]

Unless your super lucky you should get ready to upgrade many more of them

[dusky cape]

i figured

[somber axle]

you hit +36% HP with just one HP curio, two perks and one talent or one HP curio, one perk, both talents

[tall torrent]

here's the other thing ur not considering

[somber axle]

but +41% is way safer for chip

[tall torrent]

which enemies do u actually spam PA for

on knife that's every single enemy

[somber axle]

I like weaving in PA with Knife for hordes tbh for the shove and to take out a target, especially mixed hordes where I need the shove control and may want to bop a Rager on the nose

[last parcel]

if you're just hunting for power cycler, you can upgrade either one since they share blessings

[tall torrent]

on tac axe that's every single enemy

on shovel it's not

on standard shovel u only use PA exclusively for high mass elites

[somber axle]

Since I'm used to the funny meme of triple stam I'm used to being able to freely slip in a push attack during combos to help control waves

And even just the one stam curio helps me keep that playstyle because I find it fun

[tall torrent]

running a 3stam drops ur chip dmg tolerance & curio perk availability so u can squeeze out 2 more PAs

what ur thinking here is not +stam

[somber axle]

Yeah and those two extra PAs are way more important imo

[tall torrent]

what ur thinking here is stam regen

that's a different thing

[somber axle]

Because it's not just those 2 PAs

it's better blocking, sprinting, shoving, push attacks, easier rescues

it's just better everything

on top of more stam to offset Deadshot stam burning in combo with Target Down

[tall torrent]

besides easier res everything else here I've already disbuted

[somber axle]

for my playstyle it's just better to run vs 2 HP curios and I'm not really losing anything that 2 HP curio playstyle provides other than like... 1-2 perk slots?

[somber axle]

Yeah your build uses more perks to offset those things

We have different builds/playstyles

[tall torrent]

2 health gives u 8 slots to work with

[somber axle]

and 1 HP still gives you 6-7

[dusky cape]

i wish they would add a two handed power sword but i fear they would only give to psyker or zealot

[tall torrent]

1 health gives 5

it's 5 slots vs 8 slots

[somber axle]

and if you wanna be extra funny you can drop another perk too

[tall torrent]

again, besides meme build nobody takes both +5% in talent tree

[somber axle]

1 HP perk, 2 HP talents and you're at +36% HP

[tall torrent]

so it's only 5% health from talent tree

u have to take 3x 5% health to reach the same kind of numbers

plus the 1 sniper resist

[somber axle]

even with just one of the 5% HP talents, you only need 2 HP perks to meet at +36% but you have to be more wary of chip damage

[tall torrent]

that's 5 slots

[hearty panther]

full toughness gang

[last parcel]

born leader maxxers rise up

[tall torrent]

for just barely going above 200 health it's 6 slots
for reaching same health it's 5 slots

[topaz lance]

Ok, the DB is a lot of fun

[somber axle]

HP Curio +21%
+5% HP
+20% Sniper Resist
+(Insert perk of choice here)

Toughness Curio
+5% HP
(Insert perk of choice here)
(Insert perkof choice here)

Stam Curio
(Insert perk of choice here)
(Insert perk of choice here)
(Insert perk of choice here)

with one HP talent you hit the breakpoint

unless you're planning on changing the guide to say 40%+

because the 36% HP is easy to hit there

[somber axle]

Yeah that's the tradeoff though

[tall torrent]

yes this is 6 slots to barely reach 200 health if u take a health talent

[somber axle]

To have stam vs having the leeway for curio perks

[hearty panther]

+Toughness
+Sprint
+Block
+CDR
The superior build

[tall torrent]

3x 15% sprint efficiency is based and strong

[somber axle]

Wounds
Exp
Dockets
Toughness Regen

for when you want people to wonder how you function

[tall torrent]

and that tradeoff is acknowledged

[somber axle]

Yes and it hits the >+34% HP breakpoint still

[tall torrent]

so idk what ur yapping abt at this point

[somber axle]

Yeah idk why we're arguing because we've both talked this to death and at this point anyone watching can see the pros and cons of having stam curio vs doubling down on HP

[tall torrent]

no idk what ur even trying to argue about

[somber axle]

Grab stam if you want it, or don't if you don't

[torn gorge]

oi, dont badmouth dockets perks

[tall torrent]

in the very same ss I sent, I already acknowledged the downside of getting a stam curio

[somber axle]

1 stam curio, 1 HP and 1 Toughness is not only possible with your HP breakpoint but it's also not a meme LOL

and there are good reasons for it

[last parcel]

oh i thought you just kept arguing because it blows your top or whatever

[somber axle]

but like idk I don't think you were trying to understand my perspective at all

[tall torrent]

I never even said that in the first place

[serene bough]

no bloodletter?

[somber axle]

You were laser focused on your 2 HP recommendation

[tall torrent]

I think u misunderstood in the first place

[somber axle]

Tbh I do like arguing LOL

[somber axle]

I think we have that in common tbh

[tall torrent]

no, I said it gives more options

[somber axle]

And I said stam gives more options in gameplay

vs perks

[tall torrent]

I never said stam is bad

[somber axle]

I also never said 2 HP is bad

LMFAO I saw that Backup

[last parcel]

nuh uh

[tall torrent]

I did not misunderstand what ur saying, ur here yapping abt smth I acknowledged in the first place

[somber axle]

Ok

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-kono-suba-anime-manga-gif-15411817

Anyway yeah daily goofy argument aside

I'm still happy to glance at my phone and see people gushing about Recons

[last parcel]

now that that's over with

[somber axle]

and see Recon users in quickplay constantly

[last parcel]

tanner

[fiery wave]

Lol

[somber axle]

I've almost had a squad of Recon users

[tall torrent]

don't give me this passive aggressive tone just tell what u want to say

[somber axle]

SOON IT WILL HAPPEN I FEEL IT

my people are here

[torn gorge]

they are still in the honeymoon phase

soon the novelty will wear off

same for new weapons really

[somber axle]

oh you missed it last night someone was here talking about how Tanner made a new vid addressing people in the community telling him to off himself

[torn gorge]

the only difference is that recon do occupy a sort of well defined design space unlike any new weapon added

[somber axle]

I believe that people have fallen in love with the new Recons and that they will remain long-term a fun weapon that people like to use

Not an everyday every match weapon (unless you're me)

[last parcel]

my mind is so poisoned that i thought you meant he made a new recon mk 6 about the community

[somber axle]

but definitely a fun weapon people take out for fun

[willow siren]

you use recon bc it's fun, i uyse recon bc i dont have any other options, we are not the same

[somber axle]

If they ever delete Recons I delete myself out of the discord and game

[fiery wave]

Taking 3 stam gets you a lot more breathing room in dense melee

[tall torrent]

yea that ik, what did I say that u think is wrong

[willow siren]

@somber axle

[somber axle]

I wear clown make up, my nose honks, my shoes jingle where I walk and I like to breakdance for Wolfer's men

We have many, many differences

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-legend-of-korra-korra-its-perfect-nickelodeon-gif-4462278

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ied-bike-suicide-bomber-funny-squad-gif-22939223

fatshark hq

[willow siren]

trying to get a recon 2

[somber axle]

put me out of my misery and let me escape to the next hyperfixation game please 😩

[somber axle]

that's my new fav variant tbh

good luck!

[willow siren]

for me it'll be monster hunter wilds

[somber axle]

it is a very pretty base model that matches well with the standard green colours you see on Cadian and Elysian skins

[torn gorge]

sounds like the same story for lot of people when HD2 released

just for them to get disillusioned/disappointed

[somber axle]

A few friends and I are planning on tackling that together multiplayer coop campaign style

but also Space Marine 2!

[willow siren]

HD2 isnt stressful enough for my taste

[somber axle]

Rogue Trader fixation was sated

need more games

[last parcel]

every time you die in the game, stab yourself in the thigh

makes the game very gripping

[willow siren]

space marine 2 looks to be fun

[somber axle]

once you figure out how to do stealth in HD2 max difficulty Automaton missions become such a breeze

bug ops still remain a little tricky though

or if you don't do stealth and just try to play matches with pugs like an escort mission it can be stressful trying to protect your band of suicidal murder hobos trying to fight anything they can see

[torn gorge]

HD2 is an easy game by design

[somber axle]

I want to play Space Marine 1 to prep for it

[torn gorge]

despite what devs try to sell

[somber axle]

but it's only single player so I have to do it without friends

I'm used to that anyway playing in the Darktide community

[willow siren]

i can work with this

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/forever-alone-sponge-bob-alone-sad-gif-4790128

[winter hill]

Yo guys, what sword is the best one?

[last parcel]

stripped down + duck and dive time

[willow siren]

i love duck and dive

[somber axle]

That's tricky because I'd want to change both blessings and the ranged crit damage but you can at least keep Stripped Down and Flak if you like Stripped Down memes

[willow siren]

so goofy

i'll probs keep stripped for a variant build

[somber axle]

Probably Punishing Salvo to Dum Dum, ranged crit damage to Maniac (even if it pains me to recommend against having Headhunter)

[willow siren]

the i can try my luck again with these

[somber axle]

the 338 is the most attractive to me tbh

I'd almost say the 311 is better than the 357 but the mobility stat is just slightly too low

[willow siren]

im at the mercy of hadron and plasteel

[mental cloud]

Am I just too picky when it comes to rolls? Like if it’s not a base of 360+ and the damage and stats not under 70%, I trash it and re-roll. Am I killing myself here?

Am I living in reality that doesn’t exsist?