veteran-class

[somber axle]

...wait what

Why would he take that much on a Ripper

Is he still scared about the shooters? That was reverted

[last parcel]

i think there's a much simpler explanation

shoot make happpy chemical

[tall torrent]

It’s merely a lore accurate Ogryn

[idle pecan]

is good?

[tall torrent]

Low stopping power

[frank basin]

aaah ammo goblin word made me laugh

[junior needle]

No clue what variant that is so I can't tell you

Unyielding is an odd choice

[potent lichen]

Opinions on the bolt pistol?

[faint beacon]

The Manstopper grind begins.

[wild summit]

rings true for me, dont know bout you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY9F4MNQ5Mg&ab_channel=Reginald

[frank basin]

Now fued with Tanner Lindberg

[wild summit]

Oh no

listen

i like lindbergs tide content

but ... he is a TIIIINY bit unhinged

[tall torrent]

He’s wrong on a lot of things

[wild summit]

i mean the talent tree and columnus stuff seemed to be right on a lot of things iirc no?

[bitter turtle]

He straight up came in here spouting misinfo before

[wild summit]

wait what?

[bitter turtle]

And I don't feel like wasting my time pointlessly fact checking a manchild

To watch his videos

[tall torrent]

Idk, not knowing about double frag bleed on veteran in a “veteran talent breakdown” is pretty insane

[wild summit]

wanna tell me what he said or just straight link me to the message? Not saying you are fake news but i rather see it infront me me >->

[bitter turtle]

Yea he came in here, said a bunch of stupid stuff, got mad, bragged about his skill in games, left

[wild summit]

i mean, he seems good at the game

but ...

its imo a weak defence to use that

rocket scientist can still suck at steering the rocketship

if you know what i mean

[tall torrent]

Being decent at the game doesn’t mean everything u say is true or correct

[wild summit]

thats the point i am making

[tall torrent]

And he’s too frequently wrong/having incomplete info to be worth paying attention to imo

[radiant chasm]

it's more of the inverse, he's an astronaut, not an rocket scientist

[wild summit]

yeah he defs has skill

but doesnt necessarely mean he is right

[radiant chasm]

he can pilot the game just fine but jfc

[last parcel]

did the entire server decide to bring up t*nner today

[wild summit]

xD

[tall torrent]

JTC has better takes overall even though he’s not correct a lot of the time

[radiant chasm]

there is a reason first channel he stopped interacting with was zel chat

[tall torrent]

I don’t think either Reginald or JTC are right on Chainaxes though

At least Reginald is closer to being right about Chainaxes

[radiant chasm]

can i get a tldw

[tall torrent]

But then again I’m vet main so I can’t say with entire certainty on Chainaxes

[tall torrent]

JTC said Chainaxes need dodge profile buffed so they’re not entirely outclassed by chainswords

[radiant chasm]

as the zealot chaxe addict i wanna weigh in without burning out my braincells

[tall torrent]

Reginald is right that chainaxe is a lot better than chainsword in single Target dmg

[radiant chasm]

chainaxes already outclass chainswords in carapace and sheer brute force

[tall torrent]

However

[wild summit]

yeah chainaxes i thought sucked but then i started noticing things 😂

[tall torrent]

I think smth most people do not bring up is that

[wild summit]

martyrdom chainaxe fucks

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe’s direct competition is not chainsword

[radiant chasm]

chswords are the better weapon imo, but chain axes are fine

[fleet thicket]

It's shovel right ?

[radiant chasm]

the only changes I want to it is more QoL changes

[tall torrent]

On veteran it’s folding shovel

On zealot it’s evicerator 15

[radiant chasm]

chain axe competition is any armor cracker, evi, thunder hammer, and yes shovel

[somber axle]

Chainaxe is SO satisfying for boss Dueling

[tall torrent]

In terms of function

[fleet thicket]

Thunder hammer

[somber axle]

With Kraks you feel like a monster hunter

[wild summit]

defs not no

[tall torrent]

And the other issue with Chainaxes that even Reginald doesn’t bring up is that

[last parcel]

monster hunter world

[radiant chasm]

i guess you could slot in mk6 psword but that sword does everything really well and the only drawback is activated swings and shit dodges and stam

[wild summit]

but i do agree axe weapons need to be better at armor vs the energy weapons

[tall torrent]

Yes Chainaxes are a lot better than chainswords in single Target dmg

[wild summit]

and i hope they will at some point rework chain axe and energy weapons

[tall torrent]

But that’s mostly in rev heavy atk

And idk about u but

[wild summit]

cause they all kinda work the same activation wise

[radiant chasm]

no

mk4 lights

are comparable to rev'd heavy

in dps

[tall torrent]

Just about every enemy that needs u to have a dedicated single target

Can 1 shot ur toughness bar

[radiant chasm]

(not including thrust)

[tall torrent]

Yea mk4 is the exception, I think mk4 is fine

[radiant chasm]

and lights will let you keep dodging and get back to block easier

[bitter turtle]

"Dmg stat not important on plasma"

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

I wasn’t present for this I think

But that’s funny

[bitter turtle]

Jfc I can't believe first thing I wake up I'm going through tanners posts

Fuck u for maki g me do this

[radiant chasm]

mk12, is the newb chain axe and it has a lot of issues, imo it's PA should still be a sweep cause it has no access to mass stagger

[bitter turtle]

Half of it is just malding or trash talking

[radiant chasm]

while mk4 both the heavies and PA have big aoe stagger

[tall torrent]

Because plasma is a “need 78%+ dmg & SP or brick” gun

[fleet thicket]

The only weapon that doesn't care about damage number is literally psykers purge staff...

[radiant chasm]

and flamer

purge and flamer, cause their damage is from the dot

[fleet thicket]

No not anymore they buffed it

[radiant chasm]

not from contact

[wild summit]

ok ...

eh

[bitter turtle]

Well damage isn't too important on semi auto if you hit the breakpoint but plasma is not one of them

[radiant chasm]

oh true, but i don't think they buffed it enough to matter tbh

[somber axle]

That was from January. When did they do the whole Plasma rework thing?

[bitter turtle]

Since the requirement is high

[wild summit]

outright no, i agree damage is SUPER overhyped on many weapons

[bitter turtle]

Plas was alr op

[wild summit]

but plasma?

[somber axle]

I'm almost positive it was sometime last year

[tall torrent]

Mk12 is sorely missing a safe single target combo (unlike mk4) imo

[bitter turtle]

This was Jan of this year

As in post tree rework

[fleet thicket]

Between that and mobility I will dunp mobility xD

[somber axle]

Though no one would touch Plasma when it did chip HP damage on vent LOL

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs 78%+ DMG and 78%+ stopping power to get its major breakpoints lol

[radiant chasm]

true

[torn gorge]

[radiant chasm]

flamer needs mobility even less

[wild summit]

thats what i am saying

damage is mostly overhyped, but plasma is the ONE weapon where it defs isnt

[somber axle]

Only the most brave Vets would use Plasma when it hurt HP

Or the silliest

[bitter turtle]

It depends on the gun and frankly I would have dmg as high as possible bc you don't know what they are going to do to enemy stats

[tall torrent]

And yea tanner is just wrong too often to be worth listening to imo

[wild summit]

he had so many weapons to make that claim on and he chose the most damage heavy weapon in the game :/

[bitter turtle]

See:bulwark getting more hp

[wild summit]

thats an argument yeh

[idle pecan]

good?

[radiant chasm]

who was that youtuber who tried to call out zealot chat and named and shamed

[bitter turtle]

Wtf is the point of having high collateral or stability on a laspistol anyway

[radiant chasm]

and did a whole video on it, then took the video down

[wild summit]

like i still am ok with tanner, but i really dislike his ... idk how to call it

hate brigades? He just seems overly aggressive

[somber axle]

Attitude? LOL

[tall torrent]

U can dislike him for being factually incorrect

[torn gorge]

thats the whole gist of their content

[tall torrent]

Hating misinformation is based

[somber axle]

I think he's funny for how angry he gets

[wild summit]

i mean ... we all makes mistakes

no shame in that

but the attitude is another thing

[radiant chasm]

very much a "if I speak louder and more repeatedly than my opponent, I'm correct"

[last parcel]

seeing a bigger stability bar counteracts my mental instability

[radiant chasm]

it's very boring

[tall torrent]

Making them over and over and spouting them as truth is different

[bitter turtle]

Also this is still funny

[wild summit]

an apology would come a long way yeah

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message
#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

There’s no shot he’ll ever “apologize” lmao

[somber axle]

Tbh I only know what toughness regen is and why it is worthless for Vets despite sounding good because I watched a vid of his showing what it does and comparing recordings of triple toughness regen perks vs 0 toughness regen perks

[bitter turtle]

Comedy in two parts

[idle pecan]

is this good or bricked

[bitter turtle]

He block me after that

[radiant chasm]

it's like, shitty debate club tactics that wouldn't work in a real debate but work well enough online idiots think you are debating properly

[wild summit]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[bitter turtle]

Technically bricked but you can still make it work

[idle pecan]

what is good on the new mace

[bitter turtle]

High voltage skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

If ur looking for more accurate information there’re sources available

[torn gorge]

yeah you dont really wanna know what liquid players had to say about him either

[bitter turtle]

Flak maniac cara elite should all be ok

[tall torrent]

I have a veteran guide WIP

[bitter turtle]

Just dont run unyielding

[wild summit]

lindberg did talk about telepots being insanely good

[tall torrent]

Both psyker & Ogryn have very detailed guides

[wild summit]

is that true or false?

[idle pecan]

i could dump thrust for skullcrusher and pick up unyielding instead of block

[bitter turtle]

I said don't run unyielding lol

[idle pecan]

oh

[tall torrent]

Telopots is good but I also wouldn’t take everything being said as gospel truth yk

[idle pecan]

pick up flak then

[tall torrent]

He’s better than tanner for sure lol

[bitter turtle]

Shmaul does really shit unyielding dmg

[radiant chasm]

but I still live in absolute awe of that one person who made a salty response video on how lacerate is better than flesh tearer, who screenshotted me and a bunch of zealot discorders, and did it to a solo run of hab dreyko, like LMAO, and then you go to the actual convo, no one was harassing him, in fact it was the opposite, after telling him to run flesh tearer over lacerate everyone just moved on to talk about knife mechanics xd

[bitter turtle]

Like really really bad

[wild summit]

idk if it was on the vet talent tree or something, but he did mention 2 tidetubers that were very good

[torn gorge]

they just did a quick yt query and decided telo/choco were at the top

[somber axle]

No matter what source, always verify info. No one is correct 100% of the time and even pros can have incorrect info

[radiant chasm]

i don't trust youtubers besides, like crab

[somber axle]

Always double check things

[radiant chasm]

but idk if crab is still youtubing

[bitter turtle]

Technically it's maniac dmg isn't great either but it doesn't matter too much outside of mutants

[tall torrent]

There’re plenty of people in this chat that are very high lvl players

[radiant chasm]

but crab and his helbore work is respectable

[tall torrent]

I don’t think you should limit urself to a specific group of voices

[radiant chasm]

that too

[bitter turtle]

Man I literally just took him up on his offer

[tall torrent]

He’s been just playtesting I think

NDA and stuff

[radiant chasm]

just because someone is good, doesn't mean they have good knowledge

[bitter turtle]

And he block me

[torn gorge]

[idle pecan]

is this good?

[radiant chasm]

in fact, ego is something gamers are notoriously bad at managing

[tall torrent]

I take an awfully long time to make my guide

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falling-breaking-bad-dm4uz3-gif-18078549

[tall torrent]

Cuz I want it to be as factually correct as possible

[torn gorge]

you are also blessed to work on a title that does not have very frequent sandbox changes

so the timeframe in when you release said guide is not as important

[somber axle]

The funny part? Afaik the 2.0 version of the guide by Numbers Cat was just about finished when suddenly new weapons and lots of weapon rebalancing happened LOL

Almost at the finish line and suddenly new parts of the race track open up

[torn gorge]

thats procrastination though

[bitter turtle]

"Headtaker is bad for rashad"

[faint beacon]

The adventure of T-Zee-Entch is coming along shockingly well

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

Btw

[faint beacon]

I keep saving teams lmao

[wild vortex]

okay Melk, I get the idea

[radiant chasm]

[somber axle]

Tbh I like seeing the 1.0 version of the guide because it shows where the meta stood when it was written

[bitter turtle]

Run thrust instead:^)

[somber axle]

Fun time capsule stuff

[bitter turtle]

Reminds me of Az saying ppl run thrust to do less dps

[torn gorge]

you can just save it on cloud

[somber axle]

It'll make for a fun comparison to the 2.0 version when it gets released

[wild summit]

[last parcel]

vacuum capsule!

[torn gorge]

but I am also assuming you do not write guide as a profession

[wild summit]

isnt headtaker and bromentum like one of the two strongest blessings?

[somber axle]

How do people spam that in games? Is that a mod?

[torn gorge]

so the deadline is non-existent

[bitter turtle]

Yes, thrust is only good for achlys

[somber axle]

I had a funny Zealot who would say it before charging in

[last parcel]

it's a mod fatshark doesn't approve of becasue it affects nonmodded players

[bitter turtle]

Tbh idc if he's right or wrong, everyone is wrong sometimes

[somber axle]

Oh

[wild summit]

i do use thrust on my chainaxe tho

....

[bitter turtle]

He's just a fucking idiot though

[wild summit]

is that bad?

[bitter turtle]

No

Combat axes

Not chainaxes

[wild summit]

OH

WAIT BUT WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THRUST THERE

[bitter turtle]

Well

Achlys

[wild summit]

yeah i mean ok

but thats one out of three

[bitter turtle]

But he's talking about rashad so

[last parcel]

achlys is just like me

very special

[bitter turtle]

Thrusting into things all the time?

[last parcel]

that too

[wild summit]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-touchdown-no-more-heroes-brothers-hhhhomeboyyyy-kel-kade-gif-23131790

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/doodlebob-spongebob-pencil-sharpener-pencil-sharpener-gif-24291436

[bitter turtle]

Anyway he's one of those ppl that will never admit they made a mistake so yea lol

[wild summit]

i mean

being aggressive and right is one

doing that and being wrong is another

being the latter and not apologizing a whole nother

[bitter turtle]

Being aggressive when you're right only makes it that much harder to admit when you are wrong so they are connected anyway

If you call everyone else an inbred moron when you are right obv you can't admit the inbred morons have a leg up over you when you get something wrong

[wild summit]

i mean

depends in what kind of way you are agressive in

but in the way you describe

defs a hole that he dug himself into

[tall torrent]

He is exactly that

Too many mistakes, too much pride

[wild summit]

i was bout to make a joke

but i dont want the others feels bad about it

[somber axle]

Ego gets too inflated, can't be popped

[wild summit]

but jesus did you serve that one to me on a silver plater

[tall torrent]

I mean, go for it

[radiant chasm]

idk, league eventually gave me ego death

but i know a lot of league players weren't so lucky

i took a heavy casual btd6 and vampire survivor break

and i'm a recovering ego gamer

[bitter turtle]

omg mongeys

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/bloons-td6-gif-23545702

[wild summit]

man overshopped on pride month

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bloons-btd6-btd-bloon-balloons-gif-20551051

[tall torrent]

@wild summit Back on what u were talking abt initially tho (Reginald’s vid)
I think the biggest issue with chainaxe is with mk12 specifically and it lacks both safe single target and immediate elite stagger

Mk4 doesn’t have these kinds of issues because u could light spam & rev heavy for single target

[radiant chasm]

yee

[wild summit]

i specifically use mk12 cause the hordeclear on it is kinda disgusting

[bitter turtle]

HA HA
OH COME ON
OH COME ON
UH GUYS
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS
UH GUYS

i cant stop hearing them

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cataaaaaaaa-gif-23904304

[tall torrent]

This depends on class but usually mk12 chainaxe is in the lower bracket for horde clear

[radiant chasm]

like, before the punishment nerf, mk4 chaxe was staggering whole rager and mauler packs

[wild summit]

martyrdom

[tall torrent]

Then yea it’s not bad

[somber axle]

I really liked League tbh but I mained Sona, Veigar and Akali. But I knew absolutely nothing about any other character. I wanted to try Lux but made the mistake of not reading my abilities and kept throwing my little shield baton at enemies and my team flamed me for it LMFAO
Being illiterate is hard

[wild summit]

i wanted to use the highest damage weapon in the game, hammer is that yes but it is single use

[bitter turtle]

idk how long ago you played but I bet you would have enjoyed AD sona mid

too bad it got indirectly nerfed repeatedly

[tall torrent]

I rly think the “safe single target” part matters more

[radiant chasm]

i mained warwick

[somber axle]

I played so long ago that Jinx had just been released right before I quit

[radiant chasm]

juggermorde (before his latest rework)

[bitter turtle]

the only time i played warwick was AP magewick

[radiant chasm]

AP MF

i played warwick flex

every role

[bitter turtle]

the time period im talking about is actually years before that

[somber axle]

I quit some time after they stopped doing the really fun RP newsletter

[bitter turtle]

jfc its been way too long

[tall torrent]

Thunder hammers have too many issues to begin with

[bitter turtle]

sona passive used to do like 3x the dmg it did by the time jinx got released

[wild summit]

do you know what the highest damage melee is (not inculding actives)

[somber axle]

League is so fun but the community makes me hesitant to touch it ever again LOL

[tall torrent]

In 1 hit?

No special activation?

[wild summit]

yeah, like what melee has the highest number

[radiant chasm]

probably caxe

[tall torrent]

Probably a Rashad

[bitter turtle]

magewick was vlad before vlad came out

[wild summit]

cause i want a weapon that can REALLY be abused by martyrdom zealot

[bitter turtle]

q = heal to full

[somber axle]

And then you combo'd with the damage buff Q for an extra special strong auto attack right?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[tall torrent]

I’m afraid what ur asking for is a veteran exclusive thing

[somber axle]

Plus there was that one item that would boost auto attack damage after a spellcast

[bitter turtle]

you could actually bully out characters that used to be staple mids lel

like kennen and pre-rework sion

[somber axle]

But wow I only vaguely remember things

[wild summit]

why?

[bitter turtle]

u'd pop sion's shield before he could blow it up

[tall torrent]

Marksman + CQKZ + FTE, pop VoC, 1 hit

Veteran has more +Dmg talents that add up

[somber axle]

Tbh I only remembered being a little shit on Veigar

And building Mejai's or however it is spelled

[wild summit]

just me or should martyrdom be better btw?

[somber axle]

Book that gives AP per stack, and gives stacks when you kill enemy players

[tall torrent]

I think martyrdom’s problem is not with itself but with zealot’s tree

[bitter turtle]

mejais yea

[somber axle]

And then just wombo combo meteor orb ult when they touch event horizon circle stun

[tall torrent]

Martyrdom has the highest point tax of any zealot build and forces u to give up a lot of things you’d normally have

[junior needle]

League posted

[somber axle]

I know Veigar got a rework though

[bitter turtle]

a lot of things got reworked

game isnt really the same game i played when i started

and i started when pantheon was released

quit around when aurelion sol was released

[tall torrent]

Part of it is because the throwing knife starting branch is way too good

[somber axle]

Listen if the community didn't end up scaring me off I would have spent a ridiculous amount of money on that game so really I am thankful the community is so toxic LOL

[tall torrent]

Part of it is martyrdom wanting the other 2 branches’ nodes for dmg reduction

[bitter turtle]

the community is rly creative

[tall torrent]

Part of it is having to run wound curios so u give up on potential health/toughness

[bitter turtle]

in the ways they try to be toxic

[somber axle]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

no matter how they try to limit them

lol

[somber axle]

They're like a modern CoD lobby

No one can out-toxic that community

[tall torrent]

And even then, besides a few specific breakpoints

Martyrdom doesn’t do a lot of things that much better than momentum

[wild summit]

explain

[tall torrent]

Also martyrdom has basically no CDR

[tall torrent]

Look above

[tall torrent]

.

[wild summit]

oh ok

oops

what if martyrdom did more than just damage tho

like it feels out of place

middle is so supportive and then there is martyrdom

[marble mantle]

Damn dawg kill shot ready takes a fuckin minute

[somber axle]

My fav thing I've learned about LoL bullying is discovering Riot put in an Ahri skin that costs $500 and then players began banning Ahri in games to prevent people from using her or the skin

[last parcel]

stab motherfuckers and throw grenades

[tall torrent]

If martyrdom never had to bother with left & middle starting branches for health dmg reduction, it’ll be a lot better imo

[marble mantle]

For the MF one?

[junior needle]

Just choose to have self control

It's that simple

[last parcel]

yeah, it doesn't specify ranged kills

[tall torrent]

But then again martyr does open up a lot of breakpoints u normally don’t get

[somber axle]

I wish. But I have impulse control problems like my mom LOL

[marble mantle]

Damn I guess I never thought of that

But I kinda have to crouch walk

[somber axle]

At least I don't gamble or touch gacha

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/vocabulary-impossible-not-in-my-rm-bts-gif-20278355

[somber axle]

No loot boxes

[tall torrent]

Rashad can easily 1 hit 4 shotgunners per swing with martyrdom

And hit almost the same kind of dmg as veteran Rashad

[frank basin]

OF COURSE

[junior needle]

The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging that you have one. The second is choosing to do something about it.

[somber axle]

New holiday for Vet chat: Tanner Tuesdays

[last parcel]

you can also shoot someone in the face every 6 seconds

[somber axle]

it is Friday

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza0-friday-gif-18777629

felinid friday

[frank basin]

I will capture tanner and put him in the zoo so I can watch him rambling about veteran info

[somber axle]

It is hard to take steps while pedaling a unicycle in a circus

[wild summit]

what if instead martyrdom wasnt just about YOU being a martyr

[tall torrent]

But I rly think martyr’s biggest problem is that the throwing knife starting branch is way too good but doesn’t offer what martyr needs @azure lintel

[wild summit]

what if martyrdom worked on your allies wounds as well

[frank basin]

I like martydom faster swing speed on my ironhelm

[bitter turtle]

cue the martyr zealot raging as his teammate for not switching to full wound curio

jk

[tall torrent]

That’s a cool concept in theory but most players avoid dmg whenever they can

[somber axle]

All wounds curios Ogryn time

[wild summit]

yeah but almost everyone will lose a wound from time to time

[frank basin]

I have a dude who use all wounds curio as veteran

Running plasma

[tall torrent]

That really depends tbh

[frank basin]

With power sword

[tall torrent]

I don’t think a keystone should vary greatly in strength based on how well ur teammates are doing

[frank basin]

Imagine marksman focus with plasma

[somber axle]

I don't think Fatshark would do this because imagine a team of all Martyrdom Zealots with max wounds all at 1 wounds buffing each other in funny ways to break the game

[frank basin]

Interesting

[tall torrent]

Like, if you’re playing with guys that basically never take >300 dmg unless things go terribly wrong

You’re essentially getting punished just because ur teammates play well

[frank basin]

I need faster swing speed

[bitter turtle]

if they're dead

would that count as

[wild summit]

or yeah ofc we would keep the cap

[bitter turtle]

max wounds lost

or no wounds lost

[last parcel]

👀

barrel gaming

[wild summit]

or what if we use a similar system that we currently have on tabletop

[tall torrent]

Martyr true solo min-max

[frank basin]

“BARREL GOING TO BLOW, GET GOING”

[somber axle]

Bait a trapper and line up the angle to shoot a net at an ally who isn't looking and isn't expecting the net because they saw the trapper on you

[tall torrent]

I just think martyr should not need left/middle starting branches to feel good to build

Or at least make left & middle starting branches nearly as good as right side

[wild summit]

so waht if we used the adeptus sororitas system (sorta)

[bitter turtle]

i think disdain need buff

[frank basin]

Mhm cauliflower cat

[tall torrent]

Explain cuz I don’t play tabletop

[bitter turtle]

should apply on every hit not every other hit

[tall torrent]

Even then it’s kind of a whatever talent tbh?

[grim widget]

the fuck is wrong with this company

[bitter turtle]

it would be kinda like sustained assault at least then

[tall torrent]

Like, if disdain worked as slaughterer lite, I’d take that

[grim widget]

like that shit isn't intentional

fatshart up in the toilet

[bitter turtle]

for weapons that have wide sweeps

[faint beacon]

May I ask what comes on Tanner Tuesdays exactly

[tall torrent]

U wanna play btw

[faint beacon]

Low shredder btw, but that is still funny

probably buy it anyways

[somber axle]

Tanner and tacos
Tanner Tuesday doesn't override Taco Tuesday

[tall torrent]

Also @wild summit hot take

I think left starting branch’s toughness node should be +30 instead of +15

Because basically nobody takes top left unless they play martyr

[faint beacon]

Currently leveling up T-Zee-Eentch if you care to help

my friend is helping

[grim widget]

@faint beacon it's like they have their randomizer for the stats to specifically fuck you over by not making mobility the dump like 3/4 of the time

[tall torrent]

And if they take martyr they just have less toughness than other builds

[frank basin]

Tanner Tuesday appear every Tuesday and call everyone a moron and refuse to elaborate and leave

[tall torrent]

Sure, give me 5 mins

Or if u want to start rn u can queue one private and I’ll join as soon as I’m rdy

[faint beacon]

gotcha

[faint beacon]

Still its a good pull I'd grab it

[frank basin]

Queue damnation with him

[faint beacon]

esp with the upcoming update

[abstract kiln]

I just watched one of his videos haha

[frank basin]

How it is?

[faint beacon]

Screaming

thats what it is

its just screaming

[abstract kiln]

It was an older vet build

[wild summit]

TLDR: if they die everyone gets a buff, however for darktide this would suck, so make it "for each wound missing, greant yourself +x mele damage and half of that to allies. If you are downed or dead, allies recieve the full bonuses"

[frank basin]

I say more of narcissistic speak, like my kin does that.

[abstract kiln]

I’m new so was just looking for advice

[wild summit]

@tall torrent

its most likely op but ... your know

[frank basin]

Then come to discord ask

We have two cat pfp are professional to it

They does meow meow on weapon specialization

[tall torrent]

If martyr did smth like “giving teammates dmg buff based on #wounds u have missing” then it’ll prob be op lol

[abstract kiln]

He does seem a bit, abrasive let’s say. But also knows what he’s talking about

[tall torrent]

But relying on teammates missing wounds is a bad idea imo

[wild summit]

as i said, probs op xD

[frank basin]

He’s autistic worse than mine

[abstract kiln]

I came from other toxic games

So it’s fine xd

[frank basin]

Sound self centered more than mine

[tall torrent]

He makes mistakes often too

A lot of incomplete info

[frank basin]

Does he admit the mistake or hide his mistake?

[abstract kiln]

ah I only watched 2 videos

[tall torrent]

Ofc never

[abstract kiln]

So I have no idea

XD

[frank basin]

Yeah basically autistic people are fear being intellectually corrected

As much I don’t like being intellectually correct by someone

[tall torrent]

“Reciprocity is always good”
*proceeds to activate it a grand total of 0 times

[abstract kiln]

Rn I’m just building a grenade centred Vet, seems good so was just curious what other people had

[frank basin]

Demolition vet sound fun

[wild summit]

tanner?

[frank basin]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Yea he never admits his mistakes lol

[frank basin]

I’m least worse than him

[abstract kiln]

Well I’m not leveled enough yet but wanted to go demo team, demo stock, twinned blast and grenade tinkerer

[wild summit]

yeah apparently not 🥲

[abstract kiln]

But it’s a lot

Tinkerer is 2 points out of the way

Annoying

[torn gorge]

tbf

[frank basin]

Don’t need tinkerer the frag is good enough on own

[abstract kiln]

Ah ok

[torn gorge]

during leveling/at lower difficulties grenade builds dont do much

so dont stress too much over not having all the points you want

[frank basin]

It useful on being surrounded by armored dudes

[abstract kiln]

Yea I’m 15 rn so I have twinned and demo stock

Twinned is kinda a meme

But it’s fun

[somber axle]

Tinkerer and Frags is a weird combo. Technically 1 frag can bleed out a poxwalker horde on its own instead of needing to drop two but you need to let the bleed tick to finish them and before they bleed out they're still a problem. The only good thing is the radius increase imo since most people are just going to drop two frags to delete a big wave of problems anyway

[frank basin]

I use that on krak nade as boss killing build

[torn gorge]

on frag 1 out of 5 tosses is basically max bleed stacks

[tall torrent]

Twinned is very strong for 1 mode and 1 mode only

[abstract kiln]

Yea radius I wanted

[tall torrent]

U usually won’t need it

[torn gorge]

but imo nade builds shine specifically in no ammo melee scab maps auric maelstrom

[abstract kiln]

but I’ll just go with what I had

Krak is fun too

[frank basin]

Because you have demolition stockpile

[torn gorge]

ye

[abstract kiln]

Stockpile is wild

[frank basin]

Too good

[abstract kiln]

I’m excited to get the other one

[frank basin]

Still love it

[abstract kiln]

Demo team

[frank basin]

Demo team is averaging like dice rolling

[wild summit]

vets nade talents need a lot of work tbf

[frank basin]

If you play auric you get a lot

[somber axle]

Grab ALL the grenade talents...

[abstract kiln]

Yea I can see that

[abstract kiln]

don’t tempt me

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-demoman-poke-eyes-gif-26017637

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-tuco-salamanca-walter-better-call-saul-gif-18981985

[abstract kiln]

Idk what it is

But I love grenades in games like this

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257044483501985994/03zOXC6.png?ex=668990e7&is=66883f67&hm=015d4d1f8767201ec0754cd2888e9dd4c3de81d0b618c50de886bdc742f02172&

every possible grenade talent + buff for Kraks

[abstract kiln]

Or rpgs like borderlands

[somber axle]

Backup made this and I ran it in an Auric for fun

The boss got near instant deleted by the kraks + the team slamming on it LOL

it didn't even get to attack

[abstract kiln]

Yea I played with a random and they melted the boss

[somber axle]

if I'd gotten even one twinned blast proc the boss probably would've just died on the spot

[abstract kiln]

Assume it was krak

[austere mica]

New recon is great

I just have a bullet hose that does real damage over distance

[somber axle]

Yeah the new Recons are very fun!

[austere mica]

It does everything

[remote oasis]

How do you have coloured text

[somber axle]

Extra funny using them with rending to offset their ADM troubles

[last parcel]

wow racist

[abstract kiln]

Also how are people doing the full skill tree? Website?

[austere mica]

Mods

[somber axle]

then you can even just fire into Crusher heads too

[remote oasis]

Yes but which

[austere mica]

No idea

[last parcel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[frank basin]

This mod is racist

[wild summit]

no, you are cringe

[umbral scaffold]

😭 whar ?

[abstract kiln]

Ty for help cat people

Back to the tide

[wild summit]

still will stand by the fact that tides rejects can killa space marine

and nothing can make me budge on that

[austere mica]

Yeah

we have plasma, kraks, an ogryn, brain burst, power weapons

[umbral scaffold]

they can honestly

[austere mica]

one of these can soup a marine

[wild summit]

its not just that

[umbral scaffold]

plasma fucks space marines easily

[wild summit]

in the book killbox, a single fuckign soldier basically beat about 3 or more space marines

faith made a sister of battle parry a bloodthirster

ogryns can tear a marine to shreds

and psykers ... do i have to explain that :p

[abstract kiln]

Oh quick question, are the shotguns good in this game. I heard they suck but might be outdated info

[austere mica]

Pretty sure she died horribly anyway

[austere mica]

They're all pretty good

[frank basin]

Vold willing ask fs add space marine as a boss

[austere mica]

One is for sniping, one is for hordes, no idea what kantreal does besides fire, and double barrel is a cone of death

[abstract kiln]

Ok ty

[frank basin]

Wide shot

[austere mica]

Well role wise

[wild summit]

oh she did yes

[austere mica]

I know it has big spread

[wild summit]

but the fact that she did parry it is nothing short but batshit insane

[abstract kiln]

Only asking here cause I didn’t like the ogryn shredder so was curious about vet options

[wild summit]

i am happy that i can actually say that marines wouldnt cause too much harm for darktide

[tough tiger]

Does anyone ever use the lawbringer?

[wild summit]

back when i said that, i got absolutely lambasted 😂

[austere mica]

Yes

Fav shotgun

[tough tiger]

Ew

[wild summit]

good to see the community warmed up to the idea

[austere mica]

It clotheslines horde with my setup

Cheaply

[frank basin]

Fs only prefer human vs human no space marine as a boss. Someone claim you need large squadron to take down space marine

[wild summit]

that depends on the writer

[frank basin]

Stan lee said same thing

[wild summit]

space marines historically on a consistency bases got taken down in some rather sad ways

[radiant chasm]

we can fight a base level deathguard easily

[wild summit]

ehm

stan lee as in ... marvel?

[radiant chasm]

ogryn, prepped vet, and psyker, easy wrecking crew, zealot is fodder

[frank basin]

Majority people in marvel fanbase bringing x vs x like power scale

Much like anime vs anime

[radiant chasm]

zealot has the melee weapons but they are the weakest out of the classes canonwise imo (and I say this as a zealot main)

[frank basin]

Stan lee point out writer decide who going to win

[somber axle]

They're all ok weapons but they're not Plasma, Zarona Revolver or Columnus Infantry Autogun tier. Those three are the most powerful Vet weapons. Shotguns are all mid-tier imo and do different things

Lawbringer Shotgun: Tight spread pattern for elite/special killing, special shot is a wide horizontal shot. Use with Manstopper/Scattershot to delete hordes too

Agripina Shotgun: Most tight spread pattern for long range shooting but lowest standard shot damage. Special shot is a highly accurate high damage armour penetrating slug that causes high amounts of impact damage to stagger whatever it hits. Very effective for killing targets in one shot to the head and can bully Crushers by staggering them. The only shotgun that can effectively hurt Crushers

Kantrael Shotgun: Wide spread pattern ineffective at longer ranges for elite/special kill duties but still effective at short to mid range because it has the second highest damage per standard shot. Horizonal fire shot that is strong for mixed horde clear

Double Barrel Shotgun: Widest spread pattern, worst damage falloff at range. Useless for fighting specials/elites beyond 8m but is the most powerful shotgun for fighting targets in the 0m-7m range and can delete multiple Ragers simultaneously with Manstopper and one shot

[wild summit]

he is the weakest until you bring faith into play

faith in warhammer can basically turn you into a demi god, if briefly

[radiant chasm]

deathguards are devote of nurgle, more so than any dreg we've faced so far

[wild summit]

yeah but see it this way

bloodthirsters a basically avatars of khorne

a sister of battle parry one

you know ... those massive abominations with an attitude and wings to carry that anger around

[radiant chasm]

zealots have faith but the effects aren't a perfect shield, if anyone is dying first, it's the zealot

their fighting style just doesn't lean itself well to a CSM battle

[wild summit]

oh thats for sure, but its not cause he is the weakest

[radiant chasm]

now vs say, a chaos sorceror lord?

[wild summit]

its more so cause they are fucking reckless, which really fits the zealot playerbase xD

[radiant chasm]

fast melee annoyance def be helpful

who would you say is weakest if not zealot?

[wild summit]

again it all depends on the writer there

warhammer is as consistent as the stock market

[radiant chasm]

ogryns can physically overpower space marines and have a hearty immune system

vet is just gear/set up reliant

[midnight totem]

Also known as flying rage rats

[radiant chasm]

like discount batman

[frank basin]

🍿

[radiant chasm]

if a vet knows they are fighting CSM, he's bringing kraks and plasma and that slow deathguard is a juicy target

psyker, psykers have always been a great equalizer and with the 3 way team, def winnable

[wild summit]

killbox perfectly illsutrates what a lone soldier can do

[frank basin]

Two psyker get beaten by 3-4 white space marine in the animation

[radiant chasm]

in which animation? the ones that are hooked up to machines?

[midnight totem]

They weren't true psykers, but yes

[radiant chasm]

yea lol

[frank basin]

The one when tech priest get shock by metal orb and killed by space marine

[wild summit]

oh no ...

[radiant chasm]

no amount of genetics and dark blessings counter brain rupture

[wild summit]

we do not bring white space marines up

ever

😨

[radiant chasm]

yea those were non combatant psykers

[wild summit]

if it is who i think it is

[radiant chasm]

we are combat trained psykers, albiet a bit weak power side

but extremely stable

[frank basin]

They do kind psychic telekinesis

[radiant chasm]

and relatively weak is still something when you cast head explosion

[wild summit]

stable ... yes ... but not in mind

psykers are whackjobs xD

[midnight totem]

Chaos woowoo can shield from psyker powers

As can pure will

[radiant chasm]

relatively to the standard imperial army psyker? they are basically grey knights in terms of stability

being able to safely cast near daemons and daemonhosts is an impressive feat

[frank basin]

Librarian

[midnight totem]

In the DoW2 intro cinematic, we see a Sergeant or Force Commander stride through Eldar force lightning

[wild summit]

oh shit wait ...

[midnight totem]

Where his brother gets felled by it

[wild summit]

i never thought of that

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[frank basin]

What does that means? The psyker have that feats?

[wild summit]

i mean its most likely just gameplay reasons but the lore implication is huge

[radiant chasm]

the normal imperial psyker that is fielded will most likely self detonate even fighting against non warp entities

[wild summit]

so deamons are warp entities ... if a psyker would be to cast next to one it would strain them immesly

[radiant chasm]

i mean, psychic powers are a massive range

[wild summit]

its not uncommon for psykers to go mad or just blow up

[radiant chasm]

and we know both power levels and stability differ from psyker to psyker

the 6 playable psyker personalities are likely ones that are extremely stable, but also a bit toned down, IE no casting explode entire regiment blast

[frank basin]

Strain?

[wild summit]

yeah we are kinda weak in terms of psyker capabilities

[wild summit]

a severe or excessive demand on the strength, resources, or abilities of someone or something.

[frank basin]

Little what?

[midnight totem]

... no?

[radiant chasm]

tabletop psykers that aren't named hero characters are not stable at all

[frank basin]

Suicide bomber

[midnight totem]

I'd rather not go by tabletop

[radiant chasm]

well uhh

[somber axle]

Me staring nervously at Idira in Rogue Trader because she keeps spontaneously exploding for no reason LOL

[radiant chasm]

hate to say it but it's still canon, the stability and power of psykers can both vary greatly

[junior needle]

Weren't space marines the same height as guardsmen on tabletop?

[somber axle]

on the bright side she seemed fine

[radiant chasm]

the rank and file sanctioned psykers are not very stable, tho they can be powerful

[somber axle]

and she didn't hurt allies when it happened because she was often away from everyone

but still

[wild summit]

you gotta make a check each attack or you take damage

[frank basin]

Psyker easily get fed to emperor like feeding big e a pipe bomb

[midnight totem]

I'm not talking about tabletop. I'm talking about lore

[wild summit]

i mean if we made everythign truescale .... we would have an issue VERY quickly xD

[radiant chasm]

i'm not saying tabletop is canon, i'm saying the lore is canon

there are psykers that will simply pop if in the vicinity of too much warp bullshit

and then there are psykers who become grey knights

[wild summit]

like imagine bringing a true scale titan to the game

[radiant chasm]

who can just, fighting in daemon realms with psychic powers

[frank basin]

Stomp stomp stomp

[midnight totem]

Basically we'd have a whole mission inside a titan

[frank basin]

Better yet battle inside the titan

[midnight totem]

"Infiltrate titan, repel chaos boarders"

[wild summit]

that said, i am a bit dissapointed, i hoped to see an inactive titan in the Admech facility

[radiant chasm]

a titan could be a whole map with multiple missions

[wild summit]

said that once

it would be cool

[radiant chasm]

we aren't a titan producing planet tho, it's all tanks, maybe i'm wrong and i missed something

it would be cool but we got areas that we need to go to first

[wild summit]

like imagine a whole mission branch on an emperor class titan

[radiant chasm]

spireside, underhive, and (me completely coping) tancred bastion

[midnight totem]

There's a cargo transport of some kind inside the hive though

[tall torrent]

Yea

[midnight totem]

I'd always wanted to see a mission on that

[tall torrent]

The best we’ll see is a baneblade or a shadowsword lol

[junior needle]

The point is more that tabletop is not necessarily an accurate representation of the lore

[wild summit]

i still wish darktide encapsulated more what warhammer meant

[last parcel]

buying plastic crack

gambling at hadron

[wild summit]

i wish we could have like fights going on in the distance

[last parcel]

hmmm

[wild summit]

we do understand there is a war kinda happening

but we dont see it

show, dont tell

[tall torrent]

It does capture what warhammer is very well, warhammer just means a lot of different things for different people

[wild summit]

i mean it does in one way

[tall torrent]

Space marine 2 and darktide are equally representative of 40k, but they represent very different things

[midnight totem]

There are some who take Warhammer to mean

[wild summit]

but warhammer was always about massive battles most of the time

[tall torrent]

I like the smaller scale approach

[radiant chasm]

yes and I said that

i'm not saying tabletop makes it canon, it's canon cause it's on both tabletop and lore

[midnight totem]

this heresy

[tall torrent]

Also DT is canon which has some pretty wild implications in terms of power scaling

[radiant chasm]

like idk what there is too defend like some imperial psykers suck ass

[radiant chasm]

partially fluid canon

[midnight totem]

lets be fair, we've seen Space Marines get taken out by a stick

everything's subjective

[radiant chasm]

IE there is 21 exceptional rejects that have succeeded at missions, 6 vets, 6 zeals, 6 psykers, 3 ogryns

[junior needle]

Word bearer iirc

Doesn't count because they suck

[abstract kiln]

Damn ty for very detailed breakdown, I did try out the Columnus already and it seems wild. Excited to see the plasma

[midnight totem]

Fair enough. Fuck Word Bearers

[terse idol]

It grounds everything thankfully

[radiant chasm]

much like vt2, tho, the numbers we face in game are not indictive to the actual canon

[abstract kiln]

Revolver also seems very good

[radiant chasm]

we are fighting much less raw numbers in lore than we do ingame

[terse idol]

The meme of "ONE BILLION GUARDSMEN DIE TO A SPACE MARINE"

Yeah no

[tall torrent]

Yea DT veteran is pretty realistic

[midnight totem]

Commissar Ciaphas Can has legit dueled and defeated an Ork Warboss on his own

[radiant chasm]

hmmm

[terse idol]

Space marines operate in squads

[terse idol]

[radiant chasm]

i wonder if they are gonna release the canon 4 reject personalities that killed the twins?

[wild summit]

its a one in a million thing

[terse idol]

It's just

Like, in canon it's just not a thing

Because 40k is maybe

[frank basin]

Tasty tears

[tall torrent]

DT veteran perfectly captures the indomitable human spirit

[terse idol]

Memed to oblivion

[midnight totem]

You know who also operate in squads? The reject- hey wait, where's that zealot running off to? GET BACK HERE!

[terse idol]

As to the actual power levels

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat has a very strong build for it with specific breakpoints if you'd like to try to make a Plasma like his

[frank basin]

He run shrouldfield knife

[somber axle]

Even without the build it still is a very strong weapon imo

[tall torrent]

The fact that DT veteran is somewhere near the power lvl of an inquisitorial psyker or a bone’ead Ogryn says a lot

[abstract kiln]

Yea sure, I’m just saving a bunch of builds to try later

[wild summit]

i still think deathguard should come into the game

its so strongly hinted at that it should happen imo

[abstract kiln]

When I hit 30 I’ll experiment more

[tall torrent]

I think at best we’re getting a nurgle aligned chaos sorcerer, but not a death guard marine

[terse idol]

(Also it doesn't matter because it is writer wims)
Considering equal match space marines vs chaos space marines is equal, guardsmen squad vs a space marine would probably still rely on ambush tactics)

But it doesn't take 100 guardsmen to take down a space marine

Depeeending

[wild summit]

i mean, who is to say

[terse idol]

[frank basin]

Guhbold

[terse idol]

Yuh

[bitter turtle]

no space marines pls

[frank basin]

😋

[wild summit]

as long as it isnt titus or as long as the marine is wearing a helmet, yes

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Because they’ve already kind of shown glimpses of a chaos sorcerer

That voice that said he wanted grendyl’s soul

[terse idol]

Not withstanding plot armour

[wild summit]

the srocerer could be anyone

and i STRONGLY hope its typhus as a cameo, not fightable

[midnight totem]

Inlore, a Chaos Space Marine commander has commented it usually takes 50 guardsmen to kill one of his marines

[terse idol]

You could say that a named commissar could kill a space marine by leading a squad etc

[somber axle]

I think it is this!

[terse idol]

Maybe solo!

[wild summit]

i mean ... that can be put down to the captain talking up his marines

look at it this way

if i am a ceo of a company

[midnight totem]

on Cadia, it was at least better then 30 to 1

[tall torrent]

Not this build

[wild summit]

am i REALLY gonna tell the weaknesses of my work force

or am i gonna hype them up?

[junior needle]

The average space marine is worth roughly 10 guardsmen

[faint beacon]

In comparison to well, how many guardsmen the Astra Militarum has

thats... pretty fucking good

[abstract kiln]

Ty saved

[somber axle]

Wrong screenshot then whoops

[abstract kiln]

Oh

lol

[somber axle]

I have too many goofy talent build screenshots on my phone LOL

[junior needle]

The reject party is well above the fighting strength of 10 guardsmen

[frank basin]

I’m such a tzeetch when I knew he willing wanted add CSM then being denied

[somber axle]

Check the screenshot he just posted instead

[terse idol]

We platoon level strength

[wild summit]

always consider

one guardsmen was able to beat multiple marines

[abstract kiln]

Yep i see ty

[wild summit]

all marines are better at really compared to the average human is strength

[junior needle]

Feasibly a plague marine is on the table given that this strength isn't merely for gameplay purposes but also remarked on in gameplay

[wild summit]

the rest is down to the individual

[junior needle]

Strength, reflexes, durability

[wild summit]

strength incorporates endurance btw

[terse idol]

Death guard is off because like, OG space marines are waayyy above

[wild summit]

infact, plague marines, unless there are outliers, are not THAT strong

they are resilient due to a multitude of ailments they are plagued with

enhanced the more death guard are around

[junior needle]

Nothing 12 krak grenades can't handle

[wild summit]

a singular death guard is actually a sad joke

[radiant chasm]

especially since the most likely CSM we will be fighting is a lone agent

[terse idol]

Well and that like death guard armour is like

Pre hersey armour

[radiant chasm]

CSM often go on solo adventure to start/aid cults

[terse idol]

That shit was tough

[midnight totem]

plague marines have the power of being fat

[wild summit]

we already have Death guard btw

[abstract kiln]

Also never see builds with smoke grenades, or a lot of early right side tree in general. Less viable, less fun?

[wild summit]

Hear me out

[midnight totem]

smoke is viable

[somber axle]

Smokes are very fun and Weapon Specialist keystone is very strong for melee Vet builds

[torn gorge]

very viable, people often just prefer the other 2 damaging nades

also requires some adaptation

[abstract kiln]

Ah ok

[terse idol]

👂

[wild summit]

so we have dregs right?

[abstract kiln]

I’ll try them all out for penances later

[frank basin]

Yup

[abstract kiln]

Just curious

[terse idol]

Hobos yeah

[wild summit]

so what are they by definition

cultists

[torn gorge]

ye

civilian cultists

[midnight totem]

I think our rejects can definitely take one plague marine as a boss if they're smart about it and the plague marine is a sport about using his bolter as little as possible

[wild summit]

now watch this:

death guard cultists

look kinda close if you ask me

now here is the thing

what if the cult is just for the death guard stepping stone to see WHO deserves to be in their ranks to become a potential death guard

i mean look how similar they look

[torn gorge]

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-eating-cookies-anime-chewing-gif-17686066

[torn gorge]

thats a bit far fetched

considering the plotline so far has nothing to do with that

[radiant chasm]

a lot of CSM chapters will look for new recruits from mortals

but yea, likely there won't be a single deathguard

[wild summit]

thats what i mean

[radiant chasm]

like, not lorewise or power wise

well it is lorewise, but not powerlevel

it's because fatshark wants the focus to be humans

[frank basin]

See

[radiant chasm]

humans vs humans, enemy within

[frank basin]

The always said it

No space marine allowed

[radiant chasm]

so far there is no indication that a deathguard is even remotely responsible for the cult of admonition

[wild summit]

i mean, just humor me here, what if we had death guard cultists, as your trash, then poxwalkers get a new variant, being mauler poxwalkers:

[radiant chasm]

tbf that is extremyl based, space marines have a bad habit of bending the plot around them

maybe, sounds neat

more infested dregs

[frank basin]

We have dreg bomber

[wild summit]

then we had nurglins as new trash horde mobs

and palguebearers as say the new crushers

[somber axle]

I think they could do a fight where the objective isn't to kill, only to wound them enough to prevent them from pursuing for an escape. Maybe Morrow is planning on putting enough heat into the area via aircraft or artillery to try to wipe out the Space Marine and the Rejects are just there to keep him in the area until the strike hits but Masozi swoops in to scoop us up just before the blasts hit and the fate of the Plague Marine is left ambiguous

[radiant chasm]

that's not really needed cause we can just

kill em

while i think a fight like that would be cool it's kinda ehh?? we already kills BoNs and daemonhosts and spawn

[somber axle]

Wouldn't a Space Marine be leagues beyond what any of the Rejects could handle? I'm not entirely sure on power scaling in 40k but my understanding is that if a Veteran, literally just a human guard, can fight the things we fight, then surely a Chaos Space Marine could too and easier

[radiant chasm]

no lmao

[wild summit]

then you could add the plagu marines that would be your elite reapers basically

[somber axle]

Like

Veteran fighting a Daemonhost and winning is already kinda goofy

[radiant chasm]

a lone base power csm is small fry

[wild summit]

your blightlord terminators as your crushers

[radiant chasm]

it would just be a lord style fight

[somber axle]

wouldn't that mean a single Vet is like the tiniest of fries

[radiant chasm]

ogryns can physically overpower space marines and have a hearty immune system

[somber axle]

like if a Space Marine is below the threats we face, shouldn't we also be below them canonically

[radiant chasm]

vet is a fry armed with a pot of hot oil

[frank basin]

Vold bringing csm in Darktide like rest people did

[wild summit]

space marines, especially death guard, are overhyped

a lone death guard is fre fodder

[radiant chasm]

vet with prep time will bring plasma and kraks and sit and wait for the moment to dump everything

[austere pine]

csm have absolutely 0 honor if we're talking about csm appearing

[wild summit]

you basically never see death guard alone for a good reason

[radiant chasm]

they even have special anti CSM training in the guard

[somber axle]

the way I've heard this described is that an Ogryn CAN overpower a Space Marine but it's like Hulk vs Thanos. Thanos is going to win because of intelligence, tactics, power armour, skill, superior weapons, etc. name a trait besides pure strength and the Space Marine has the Ogryn beat

and unless an Ogryn gets the ambush it's probably unlikely they win

[radiant chasm]

yes, and the intelligence and tactics difference is made up by the psyker and veteran

3 rejects is all it takes

[austere pine]

palship is something the ogryn wins in

[radiant chasm]

zealot wouldn't even be needed

[wild summit]

never and i repeat NEVER understimate an ogryn on adrenaline

[austere pine]

got pals-a-plenty

[midnight totem]

a Space Marine would be above what our rejects can fight under most circumstances

[radiant chasm]

psykers are just equalizers

[wild summit]

there were some fucking horrorstories on what ogryns did to space marines .... yes ... fucking plural

[somber axle]

Yeah but like as Rejects to Redeemed we were also fodder for suicide missions and the ones still standing are just the ones who survived the gauntlet so far

but even still

[radiant chasm]

we are basically hero units

[somber axle]

when Karnak Twins released it was stated that they were wiping out Reject teams

[midnight totem]

But, lets say

[wild summit]

i am not talking like ethically speaking

[radiant chasm]

if it was a CSM hero, we'd be fucked yea

[somber axle]

so reject suicide squads were being hunted down

[wild summit]

i am talking in an strength aspect

[midnight totem]

we throw in some arrogance on part of the chaos space marine

[wild summit]

a lone death guard is fodder

[radiant chasm]

but a normal base deathguard is way easier than you think

[midnight totem]

because lets face it, one of the hallmarks of Chaos is their arrogance

[radiant chasm]

it would be harder than, say the twins, but not by an insurmountable difference

[wild summit]

i would say a lone death guard might be unironically one of the weakest there is cause their weakness is easily exploited

[frank basin]

🍿this is fun to watch once again

[radiant chasm]

like zealot isnt' even needed

[austere pine]

emperor's children

[midnight totem]

lets say its a plague marine

unnaturally tough

[radiant chasm]

ogryn+prepped vet+ psyker can win

[midnight totem]

he's happy, jolly, "I'll play with you, Corpse Worshippers"

[radiant chasm]

zealot is just icing or cannon fodder depending on how stupid the specific zealot is

[midnight totem]

"I'll even handicap myself"

puts away his bolter

[wild summit]

in darktide it should be the same. Sure they are resilient, disgustingly so (heh), but thats all they got really, sure they weapons hurt, be it shot or flail, however they can not really reach you ..

[midnight totem]

throw in some deus ex machina, lets say Masozi is airdropping barrels of holy water

[wild summit]

death guard are always in groupd cause THEN they start covering each others weaknesses

its not the ultra marines where every member is self sufficient really

[somber axle]

I don't really understand 40k power scaling because it's kinda all over the place but I've always seen Space Marines hyped up as the epitome of humanity's deployed military forces and usually only show up for the most dire of situations with top tier armour, training, geneseed stuff pushing their physical capabilities beyond anything a standard human even in peak condition could even hope to achieve and make them live hundreds of years for the kind of battle experience impossible to find in any living human being. Now take all THAT and put weird Chaos powers behind them to make them even deadlier

And like

[radiant chasm]

3 kraks+ plasma rounds, Brain ruptures+ shields from psyker

lol a normal space marine is weak asf

[wild summit]

it is all over the place so that everythign is possible

[radiant chasm]

it's like the lasgun of units

[somber axle]

You're saying Joe Schmoe who got jailed for saying the Corpse Starch was disgusting is going to knife fight that monster to death?

and WIN?

because that's funny

[radiant chasm]

knife fight? no

[somber axle]

but it sounds unlikely LMFAO

[wild summit]

killbox 😉

[somber axle]

people will do this in games

[faint beacon]

In one of the books a Bullgryn takes on 3 Khorne Berserkers before finally succumbing to their wounds

[radiant chasm]

but plasma and kraks don't discriminate

[faint beacon]

im just saying 3:1

lmao

[wild summit]

in killbox, one guardsman beats 3 marines

[austere pine]

not knife but a Joe over here can be equipped with a krak grenade and approach the marine quite easily

[somber axle]

In one of the books two elven clowns wipe out countless numbers of Custodes and penetrate the Imperial Palace deep enough to enter the throne room before being finally stopped and killed

[wild summit]

or more i think, not sure anymore

[radiant chasm]

zealots are a bit more spotty, and I say they are the "weakest" reject to fight a csm, their fighting style simply doesn't work

[somber axle]

The power is kinda whatever the writers want it to be for the characters LMFAO

[austere pine]

one would even suggest an ogryn could throw Joe who's wielding a krak grenade

[somber axle]

like I do love the thought

[midnight totem]

in the books one space marine wipes out a dark eldar raiding party

[radiant chasm]

tbf those were aces were they not?

[somber axle]

but it's weird to consider niche moments and say those special moments are the standard

[radiant chasm]

those are basically primarch level

[frank basin]

The chaos god loving seeing chaos debate

[somber axle]

I have no idea what you mean. They were Harlequins though

[radiant chasm]

i forgot the harlequin things

my bf is the expert

[wild summit]

[somber axle]

They were really just sent there to contact the Emperor and deliver a message

[wild summit]

[somber axle]

They weren't even there trying to kill/hunt the Custodes

imagine if they were LOL

[radiant chasm]

there is a type of high ranking harlequin called aces that are extremely powerful

[somber axle]

the damage two clown elves did just waltzing in on a "peace" mission was insane

[radiant chasm]

if i'm correct somewhere, it's completely logical

[frank basin]

I’m such a tzeetchy bird I knew you ask about adding csm and people lose their mind.

[radiant chasm]

would be no different from a primarch taking down custodes tbh

[wild summit]

tbf, i rather die by a harlequin than by a Haemonculi ....

[marble mantle]

Honestly MF penance is the only one that hasn’t felt like natural to do

[bitter turtle]

Who would win

[radiant chasm]

Solitare, the highest ranking harlequins are Solitares

had the wrong term

[austere pine]

you don't die by a haemonculus

[bitter turtle]

1 unarmed csm or a billion very angry toddlers with knives

[last parcel]

it'd be a lot more natural if it was a lower amount and only counted ranged weakspot kills against specialists/elites

[austere pine]

unarmed csm and it's not even close

[wild summit]

you do iirc .... its just a question of when they feel like it

[wild summit]

thats why i rather die by harlequin

[marble mantle]

Honestly I just don’t really like the whole punishing movement thing

[wild summit]

iirc harleys kill you and you dont even notice it

[marble mantle]

Like it’s a good keystone but 2500 kills at max stacks? Is ridic

[frank basin]

Kinda like destiny universes vs 40k universe

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't punish movement if you hit headshot

[midnight totem]

Harlequin pokes a space marine