veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

Push attack spam is the highest dps for both on single target

[limpid ore]

heavy 3 still has the speed boost, others don't

[mortal horizon]

ya mk3 has insane armor and boss dps

[limpid ore]

which is why i said you lose some of it

[frank ether]

its just less carpal tunnel so I prefer it.

[tall torrent]

this is not true

[coral willow]

not special-light spam that can only be done with mk3?

punch-stab combo thing

neat

[limpid ore]

ok

[bitter turtle]

Special light does more dps than heavy but less dps than push atk spam

Even on mk3

[mortal horizon]

how do you build knife on vet, uncanny + lacerate for wep spec build, flak maniac?
Whats your move combo against dense hordes?
do you run a +stam curio?

[bitter turtle]

No stam usage though tbf

[bitter turtle]

Don't fucki g use lacerste

[serene bough]

No lacerate

[bitter turtle]

Thank you

[serene bough]

Trash blessing

[coral willow]

hi

[bitter turtle]

[serene bough]

Gtfo

We don't want your kind here

[bitter turtle]

Maniac is also pointless on knife

[frank ether]

ideally for finesse or power blessings. Maybe rending in there aswell you want it to fill a specific niche to nuke crushers. Don't go for backstab or bodyshot blessings as knife damage comes from headshots/crits, its a finesse weapon.

[bitter turtle]

Doesn't really change much

[coral willow]

korea stand strong

[mortal horizon]

im sorry, i get my names mixed up. I meant flesh tearer

the crit one

[bitter turtle]

O

[limpid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-back-dog-golden-retriever-back-golden-retriever-scared-golden-retriever-disgusted-gif-26048691

[tall torrent]

MK VI animation times have a slightly higher time_scale which means the attack animations are like 4/5 frames faster than the MK III's. this also means, in practicality, the time spent during MK III's heavy attacks is by 4/5 frames longer; even though both knives have the same action movement curve, you might profit slightly more from the prolonged move speed boost during the animation. but again, this discrepancy is likely not noticeable within just a couple of chained heavies

[bitter turtle]

Yeah flesh tearer is fine, just pick among riposte/executor/flesh tearer/mercy killer/precog

[limpid ore]

but then you mix in slides (which you should) and that goes out the window

[bitter turtle]

Along with uncanny of course

[mortal horizon]

ya knife is like that on zealot too pretty flexible, uncanny + your preferred

[limpid ore]

cause you're better off carrying the higher speed boost on mk3 into the slide than holding the heavy

[somber axle]

Triple Stam curios meta confirmed

[mortal horizon]

it feels like with all the crit from wep spec, flesh tearer would help horde clear a lot.
i dont feel like i would be dueling elites with the knife on vet and wanting big boss burst dmg like I do on zealot with mk3 knife, using precog + uncanny

[coral willow]

hmmm

[frank ether]

If you ask for more personal taste I run mercy killer + uncanny on my knife right now because thats what I ended up with after a few mil ordo spent and it works okay. You do need serrated blade to make mercy killer proc though.

[limpid ore]

BRO MISSED A HIT

POINT AND LAUGH

[coral willow]

yep i suck with ti

kek

[tall torrent]

not quite
basically, mk6 and mk3 have same speed boost
mk3 heavy atks are slower (longer to charge) which results in u getting to hold that speed boost a fraction longer than mk6
this means if u can somehow chain 30+ heavy atks in sprint without running out of stamina, running down a straight line, u'd get a measurable overall speed difference

[bitter turtle]

Wep spec only gives gun crit

[mortal horizon]

ohhh

i misread it

hmm ok

so flesh tearer isnt as good

[tall torrent]

but otherwise they're by all means identical in terms of +move speed tech

[frank ether]

chaff clear is not the point of the knife

[mortal horizon]

what plush said mercy killer + serrated blade talent sounds good

[frank ether]

this is like the fold shovel discussion all over again

[mortal horizon]

but gotta use a talent poiunt

[bitter turtle]

That's a other annoying ass thing about the punch light combo

[limpid ore]

wait, which is flesh tearer and which is lacerate? i always mix them up

[frank ether]

because you take a weapon with a clear single target nuke focus and try to build it around horde clear, which will probably not satisfy you

[bitter turtle]

https://youtu.be/uNyR4QNLXu8?t=24

[tall torrent]

Flesh is crit 8 bleed

[limpid ore]

ah, the good one

ty

[coral willow]

tbh suffering from sucess

[faint beacon]

throwing gang signs at him

[limpid ore]

holy symbols of the God-Emperor*

[bitter turtle]

I don't think ft really makes a meaningful difference on horde still

But it does give some pretty cool breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

2 tap crushers and 1 tap ragers

If you crit

[mortal horizon]

i guess which is why you would rock it with double barrel and manstopper, the double barrel is horde clear?
but you gotta be able to fight hordes with your melee i feel in general

[austere mica]

Lawb and Manstopper does horde better

Lets you use marksman’s fucks

[austere mica]

Focus

Fuck off autowrong

[limpid ore]

marksman's fucks

[bitter turtle]

Knife with dbs so you can close the gap and shoot things easily

[austere mica]

I am going to disembowel the person who coded apple autocorrect

[bitter turtle]

There's no answer to gunners for dbs except running up to them and blasting

[frank ether]

If you need horde clear help in a pinch shredders and a braced auto will make up in moments where your team is busy eating glue

I guess shotguns could do too, I'm not much of a shotgun player

[bitter turtle]

knife facilitates that

[frank ether]

Also its not like knife has no horde clear

its just not good at it

normally if your team is not abysmal dogtier you will do fine

Also there is the funny RNG proc blessing for hordeclear

you basically get like %20 chance to one shot human targets

on a heavy attack

[somber axle]

Smoke grenades or Infiltrate help with closing distance on Gunners for a Double Barrel Shotgun build

[frank ether]

you could try that I suppose

[bitter turtle]

those work too

but

[somber axle]

You may want Overwatch for the extra get out of jail card though

[bitter turtle]

i feel conflicted about running infil/smokes on dbs

i find myself running a bit low on ammo

[frank ether]

I think that combo is way too defensive/passive

[somber axle]

If you stealth into a fight, and end up in more trouble than you can handle, you will probably die if you can't stealth back out

[coral willow]

lacerate for horde :3

[bitter turtle]

maybe i need to double barrel shoot less

[frank ether]

there is not enough juice when you go both infil/smoke

[somber axle]

WORM TIME FOR SURV AURA

[bitter turtle]

yeah i dont know about giving up 4 points

[frank ether]

buffed kraks are nice right now

[somber axle]

Yeah just go Smokes or Infiltrate but not both LOL

Worm memes are just too goofy

Too talent tax heavy

[frank ether]

being able to just say no to a bulwark bonanza

its useful

I guess it doesn't happen often

but you get moments with like 5+ bulwarks

[coral willow]

i mean if you got ogryn damage or elite you can still say nono to them

[mortal horizon]

im rocking wep spec rn but ya, i use that build on zealot. Manstopper + Lawbringer and a knife. its fun,

throwing knife blitz also inherits weapon blessings, so they get infinite cleave from manstopper when your shotgun is out and holding 5 stacks of scattershot. Its kinda nutty. Can 1 hko a whole spawn of ragers or shotgunners lined up with 1 or 2 throwing knives. its dope

[coral willow]

bonus points for somehow longshot working with them from what i heard before

if crit works and if you are using something else it kinda doesnt work at times tbh

[mortal horizon]

rn im stuck on plasma and trying to find other fun options which is why iw as trying to build double barrel. but dont think im willing to level an alt to farm manstopper rn so. ill wait

i usually use plasma + ps6 or rashad

just gets boring

[austere mica]

Get a recon las

[mortal horizon]

are they good finally?

[austere mica]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

they're decent

[austere mica]

Sneaky cat’s knowledge of them is encyclopedic

[mortal horizon]

which model, what blessings, what keystone?

[somber axle]

Agripina Shotgun Special Slug is also funny

[bitter turtle]

if you compare them to a plasma though

prepare to be disappointed

[somber axle]

It works with Manstopper in goofy ways

[placid portal]

Snoiper Agripinaa

[mortal horizon]

[bitter turtle]

mk7/headhunter+dumdum(maybe infernus since it got buffed idk)/focus target or marksman focus are both fine

[austere mica]

Plasma power sword is a very sleepy build

[bitter turtle]

can also go 6d if you want to do onslaught meme

[austere mica]

I have them but never use them

[bitter turtle]

idk anything about 2

[somber axle]

RECONS??

[last parcel]

uh oh

someone lit the clown signal

[limpid ore]

only columnus mk5 and the zarona revolver get close to how broken plasma is

[mortal horizon]

columnus mk5 would be more of a exe stance build, than wep specialist right?

[bitter turtle]

i cant answer that

you're comparing

[frank ether]

you dont understand the problem

[bitter turtle]

exec stance( an ability)

to wep specialist (a key stone)

[tall torrent]

actually

[mortal horizon]

they are just opposite tree sides and i dont see them usually paired

[bitter turtle]

well yea

exec doesnt proc wep specialist

[tall torrent]

yk what's prob the easiest veteran melee to fight dreg ragers rn

[limpid ore]

it works with anything

[bitter turtle]

i just dont know what you mean and what build you're talking about

[tall torrent]

helbore bayonet

[coral willow]

never kinda actually felt about it

[limpid ore]

weap specialist might make it unwieldy though

[bitter turtle]

that too

[somber axle]

DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId

DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II

DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II

Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

Best blessings for all Recon variants are Headhunter and Dum Dum. Infernus is an ok sidegrade for specifically the Recon Mk VId. Less DPS up close, more DPS at long range. You want Flak/Maniac for perks unless you want Recon Mk VId Onslaught Crusher melt time. Then Carapace is an ok perk for the Recon Mk VId. Do not use Onslaught with the other two variants ever

[bitter turtle]

ciag works with anything u wanna do

[limpid ore]

no lmao

what does that prove

[somber axle]

Shredder Autopistol?

[last parcel]

@somber axle I MISSED THE FIRST TWO FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[tall torrent]

bayonet is kinda funny

[bitter turtle]

omg shredder autopistol buff idea

it takes your melee slot

and has a separate ammo pool

!!!

[mortal horizon]

exec stance is more of a dmg build and usually uses left or middle keystone.
wep spec in my experience rocks shout or stealth.
I shoulda said exe stance over a shout build i guess

[bitter turtle]

well

to answer that

[coral willow]

so how does zealot work

[bitter turtle]

ciag works with any

[somber axle]

Unironically yeah Helbore Mk I and Helbore Mk II are probably some of the best weapons to melee duel ragers

[coral willow]

also

[bitter turtle]

the rending buff on fotf works on it again

!!!

[coral willow]

kek

[tall torrent]

not duel

[coral willow]

tbh glad its gone

also can helbore actually stand against like 3 rager squads

[somber axle]

I would love if they did weaker pistol variants with infinite ammo Left 4 Dead style as alternatives to melee weapons complete with pistol whipping for special attacks that do fun combos but I know it will never happen

[coral willow]

idk

[bitter turtle]

yeah im actually half serious

[limpid ore]

please no

[bitter turtle]

that sounds like a fun idea

[limpid ore]

have enough people who never bother to learn melee

[bitter turtle]

shittier guns on your melee slot

[coral willow]

i do wish there was a melee + ranged combo on either ranged/melee slot

where special switches stance

or something

idk

[bitter turtle]

they arent gonna learn either way

[frank ether]

give me dance of death on veteran instead of onslaught and I'd honestly use it on melee builds n stuff

[coral willow]

giving another gun wont make them learn better, at least it'll serve some ammo economy bullshit class lol

[frank ether]

I don't want to be a rending goblin I just want less spread lmao

[coral willow]

spread is p huge yea

[limpid ore]

have some faith

[bitter turtle]

no

[coral willow]

lacerate

[mortal horizon]

game is freezing and just crashing on me here or there when i never used to.
is it likely a mod im using? or is it the patch?

[limpid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-darktide-40k-gif-1517647893401179892

[bitter turtle]

its the patch interacting with your mod

there is a way to fix it

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

no like

helbore bayonet is just fast enough

for the new rager atk speed

[frank ether]

which mod is broken this time

[bitter turtle]

mods didnt break

its the game trying to do some memory dump or osmeshit idk i dont computers

[bitter turtle]

whenever it hits a certain amount of memory used

mods are just pushing it to that limit faster

and then the game freezes to take a big ol dumpy

[frank ether]

Oh the funny memory wormhole is back?

[bitter turtle]

and then unfreezes once its done shitting

[limpid ore]

aka you're getting dced anyway

[frank ether]

lmao I see

[bitter turtle]

nuh uh what if 1000 shotgunners are standing in a perfectly straight line

[frank ether]

I had some weird freezes this might be why

[somber axle]

Idk what that is

[bitter turtle]

zealot talent

[mortal horizon]

oh shit tyvm, just did it will try again.
Just was full hp in a scab/melee only mission and crashed. came back to the match ended guess team wiped lmao

[frank ether]

the funny zealot talent that nulls your spread/recoil for 3 seconds when you dodge an attack or bullet.

[somber axle]

Love the Helbore bayonet

[bitter turtle]

yeah it completely fixed the freezing for me

[mortal horizon]

its great except when you're using a manstopper lawbringer and it reduces the spread and you're like damnit why did i take that talent lol

[bitter turtle]

here's pictorial instructions if you need it to share with ppl

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257882475053449237/CPhYLTS.png?ex=668605d8&is=6684b458&hm=e775a605b58bfba4d158d4b6baa343251312beab5e555c540081c7151be4dcdd&

[placid portal]

mk3 Helbore melee feels so damn sticky trying to make it work XP

[frank ether]

then you can just not take it

I dont share the zealot chat sentiment on

twbs being mandatory

[mortal horizon]

ya i know lol

its pretty amazing tho

hard to pass up twbs

the 20% unyielding dmg is up top in mid, you can take both

[gilded wraith]

Works on gamepass as well once you find the correct directory.

[bitter turtle]

he's talking about point economy

[frank ether]

Its cool, but I live without twbs or the ''when you die, you don't'' talent on veteran, so I'm sure zealot can cope without them too.

[bitter turtle]

twbs is an annoying point sink

[frank ether]

I usually take it on braced gun builds because its kinda on the path anyway

[placid portal]

Manstopper Flechette DB build

[coral willow]

i feel like it helps a lot if you go behind enemy lines

if you stay near teammates its non issue

[frank ether]

I never give up on that

or the ogryn/boss dmg on veteran

[bitter turtle]

i can assure u he does not stay near teammates

[frank ether]

those are too good to pass

[bitter turtle]

after playing with him

[mortal horizon]

its the freedom of annoyance and having to play 'better' (aka, more tediously, carefully, can be less fun)
I agree with you but theres huge value in the talent, and it lets you change up your playstyle and that can be more fun

[coral willow]

sounds fun

[bitter turtle]

more like he is ahead 20m killing everything while everyone else trying to keep up

[last parcel]

hey guys watch out for the dae- oh he killed it already

[frank ether]

coherency is lame and boring

building around coherency is setting yourself for failure

so naturally, most players will build around being fine alone

[coral willow]

coherency

is fine

tbh

but you cant trust teammates

as much as they cant trust you

[frank ether]

Its fine because you can just ignore it

It would be a huge problem if you had to actually rely on it for toughness gen

[coral willow]

i do

i use 3 +30% p sure

[somber axle]

I think Ogryns like it

[tall torrent]

any tips for melee 1v3 dreg rager with rashad

[somber axle]

Idk why anyone else would use it though

[coral willow]

gets some value no matter what i do

[coral willow]

pa and hope that you kill the first one with next few lights before the others wake up and repeat

[coral willow]

i use it on pretty much every character tbh

[tall torrent]

well no the stagger doesn't last that long

[forest scaffold]

is shouty vet with the axe still goated with the sauce

or is the reeeeeeeeeeeing about crusher packs just a massive community skissue

[bitter turtle]

the community has reeed about crusher packs forever

dont think anything changed about shout rashad

[tall torrent]

I'm hardstuck learning dreg rager moveset rn

:/

[forest scaffold]

just don't stand next to them

This is why the Emperor gifted us the plasma gun

merely oneshot 6 of them at a time

[tall torrent]

yea but I wanna learn melee fight rager

[coral willow]

idk i just hope they get stunned

[forest scaffold]

They buffed their attack speed. I just wouldn't.

[somber axle]

People are too flighty in quickplay Aurics to get much value out of it. If you have friends who stick close you can squeeze some value out of it I guess for helping coherence regen speed but otherwise it feels like it's hard to justify it. Too many people who try to run off and get netted/dogged/downed a lot and it ends up being more of a hazard trying to stick too close to quickplay heroes who want to run off so much. Lots of anti-social players who want to be as far from each other as possible 😩

[forest scaffold]

Attack that's longer than their visual hitbox, increased attack speed, more rager spawns.

They're built to be engaged by guns, not melee.

[coral willow]

idk, i feel like i decently get the bonus
i might wanna put sniper res in the place

but for the most part i got my investment's worth out of it even in auric qp

[somber axle]

Depending on your curio set up 1 sniper resist could be very good

[coral willow]

i think i do +30% 3 gunner 20% 3 and then whatever i have lying on hand

[somber axle]

Koreans just play like an actual squad I guess. Americans are Lone Wolf types over here

[coral willow]

toughness is becoming my fav so might switch out from regen

[tall torrent]

ig I just hate how they're so unfun to fight in melee now

[coral willow]

if chinese ones go out and die they usually leave so idk

kek

[bitter turtle]

koreans use lacerate

[coral willow]

ragers are finer than the before imho at least you can try to dodge them

[bitter turtle]

so i dont know how much I trust their abilities

[coral willow]

idk but it works

[bitter turtle]

it works like sticking volatile on your plasma works

knife is one of the best melee in the game

so yea

[coral willow]

we put blaze away on it

[forest scaffold]

No that's totally fair.

I just wanted to point out that you're kind of in the "Rage against the dying light" mode right now.

More power to you, but realistically, Fatshark doesn't want ragers to be an enemy that's solved by melee.

[tall torrent]

have they mentioned this somewhere or

[forest scaffold]

This is an inference.

Based on every single change that's been to made ragers so far.

[bitter turtle]

tbf

they made them easier to fight in melee

the patch before

[coral willow]

if they wanted that they wouldnt have made it dodgable in the first place

so idk if thats the case

they think its too easy now idk

[forest scaffold]

And then. . . "immediately"(Insofar as Fatshark does anything immediately). . . changed it

[coral willow]

voc works regardless

[tall torrent]

if u have creature spawner rn, u can try practicing 1v2 and 1v3 dreg rager melee only

[zenith helm]

is there a way to remove the jumpy effect of the new shotgun?

[coral willow]

awesome i just recorded one and it recorded this discord instead

[limpid ore]

smartest lacerate user

[covert moat]

so, anyone know a work around to putting trinkets on the bolt pistol?

every time ive tried i just fucking crash

[placid portal]

Rending backstab enjoyer here XD

[limpid ore]

BACKSTAB?

@coral willow perhaps i judged you too harshly

[covert moat]

would also try 4-8 rager tbh, it simulates the basic bs the game throws at you lol

[tall torrent]

1v8 dreg rager melee only is basically suicide rn

[covert moat]

i know but ive seen it happen

[covert moat]

clean af

[coral willow]

until you fail and lose 99% health

[tall torrent]

yea see it's hard

[coral willow]

i think hard is fine but the quantities just dont line up, i always say this to crusher spam but ragers also kinda needs to get the boot at times

[covert moat]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

that's one of the less outrageous things they've said

[tall torrent]

I'm trying to learn melee without taking hits

[covert moat]

good luck to you

[coral willow]

abuse stuns

fotf can stun them

[covert moat]

fotf?

[coral willow]

zealot charge

[bitter turtle]

furry of the faithful

[covert moat]

still learning phrases

[limpid ore]

[last parcel]

owo

notices your wounds

[covert moat]

[tall torrent]

1v2 is like, ok

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/boog-open-season-twerk-gif-24878731

[covert moat]

fuckin

-.-

[bitter turtle]

i know what i typed

[covert moat]

fuckin heresy

[bitter turtle]

hairussy

[last parcel]

now we know which gif the omnissiah favours

like i said

[covert moat]

this some bs

[coral willow]

tbh idk how to deal with 8 without force proc'ing

[covert moat]

its terrifying

and in actual game that shit will happen with very little space to move around

[bitter turtle]

its easier in real game tbh

they dont flank you like that

and you can usually use terrain to your advantage

[coral willow]

in real game there are regular zombies either kill you or be healthpacks

[bitter turtle]

yea the real "harder" thing in real game is having other enemies/specialists arou nd

but in a vacuum it's easier to deal with in a real game if its the same enemy count

[sleek garden]

catachan sword maybe?

get some parrying in

[coral willow]

catachan is worse

parry only deals with 1 of the swings

[sleek garden]

wrath

[coral willow]

so you block 1 and then gangbanged by other 3

3 is fine but idk how to deal with 8 without killing like 3 with guns beforehand

[topaz lance]

Zealot Crusher

[sleek garden]

with trauma on my catachan mk1 the strikedown light staggers mid combo

[bitter turtle]

i think the idea was

no voc and no gun

at least that what path wanted to do

[sleek garden]

Well a mutie grabbed me then just chucked me off the ledge on a mission

straight off the cliff i died right away

[coral willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257950043768623145/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-07-03_15-44-03.mp4?ex=668644c6&is=6684f346&hm=674003bc477f43352bbb1785da5eb6a18527eaeebc6ca7e87da1c516543e9c69&

scab least is way easier to dodge and shoot i guess

[tall torrent]

yea

melee only, no ability no gun, no health dmg taken

I wanna see how many ragers I can push that

[coral willow]

they slow af

[amber cliff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1149785318598381568/TheDecayConsumes.mp4?ex=6685a385&is=66845205&hm=af5fd9e0e2c616fa87107ed8d70394f04e0b95b671c16727d7f86fd1cb542c9a&

[placid portal]

these edits are hilarious

[tall torrent]

3 dreg ragers

it's hard

[amber cliff]

im har-

normally i can only take 2 guys at once your impressive

Yeah there's alot of back and forth when your taking on multiple guys don't wanna get stuck in one position

oh shit you meant in a FIGHT??

naah

[tall torrent]

I still think dreg ragers are plain unfun to melee fight rn

[topaz lance]

Yes but double barrel goes BLAM

[tall torrent]

yea that's not melee tho

[coral willow]

enemy updates half a hit and half a miss for me

[topaz lance]

true

[flat crypt]

tbh they were maybe a bit too easy to deal with after they removed their lock-on. But yeah, now they are a a little over-tuned for my taste

[bitter turtle]

buff everything more

[rigid schooner]

buff shovel

[flat crypt]

ye psykers duellings are good

mk2

its great now

the h1 deals now as much damage as mk4 stab

🤤

[rigid schooner]

give ogryn shovel

to vet

[placid portal]

2 handed SHOVEL?????

[limpid ore]

greatshovel

[torpid grotto]

I wonder what the most busted class/weapon combo is

[coral willow]

id like a greatshovel on xzealot

kek

would it be better than thammer

idk

[rigid schooner]

how would the heavy stubbers be with vet skills?

[flat crypt]

with exe quite nice 😄 reduced spread and recoil...mmmmmmm

vet goes brrrrr A10 style

[rigid schooner]

🤔 how about the single shotgun or grenade launcher?

[tall torrent]

Obviously

[austere mica]

Cone of instant death with confirmed crits

[flat crypt]

unfair would be understatement

with WS always ready to fire

[odd wind]

can u get max onslaught stacks with one shot from hacker shotgun?

does each pellet count as a hit?

[rigid schooner]

by the way, how does opening salvo work with the double barrel? is the 1st shot always given the 10% crit chance?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[tall torrent]

Yes, don’t use it tho

[bitter turtle]

opening salvo functions as +10% crit when above 90% ammo

[rigid schooner]

👍

[uncut pebble]

Opening salvo not worth.

[last parcel]

i use it on my double barrel executioner's stance build

[coral willow]

feel like its slower than hammer

[tall torrent]

yea but it at least doesn't self stun lol

[coral willow]

fair point

zealot can marty and brrrt it i guess regardless

[last parcel]

recoiling from the crucis like i just busted a nut

[coral willow]

i only use ironhelm :^3

[bitter turtle]

theres so many things wrong with hammer

[rigid schooner]

ironhelm feels like it hits diminishing returns
yeah it smashes big enemies and bosses but it's not that useful for the hordes you constantly face

[bitter turtle]

horizontal heavy despite needing heavy for ST
actually shit at ST against almost every elite/specialist
also shit at hordes

they could at least give crucis an alternative strikedown heavy hwencharged

like folded shovel heavy turning into a strikedown when folded

[rigid schooner]

thunder hammer

[coral willow]

its not crusis at least.

[rigid schooner]

and what's wrong with it?

[bitter turtle]

what's wrong with crucis?

what i just posted

lmao

[odd wind]

using dead shot on double barrel is pretty good

[bitter turtle]

yea, its not strictly necessary depending on how you play

[coral willow]

even more boring combo mixups, cant actually fucking cleave hordes, cant actually kill shit unless using special, cant actually kill shit unless using heavy hits, etc

[bitter turtle]

wep specialist is p much an obvious keystone for dbs

[odd wind]

yea im just testing stuff out

[bitter turtle]

so your first shot is always 100% crit

[odd wind]

thats true, scattershot is not really necessary to get manstopper activated

[bitter turtle]

yea its not

[coral willow]

least with ironhelm you can fully expect to clear 90% of the horde enemies with special heavy

[bitter turtle]

both barrels + manstopper is prob the most ideal

[coral willow]

that sounds fun for get who can get crits artifically

zealot is sad

hm i wodner if fotf still crits for ranged shots

might work with that

but ult for a cleave... ugh

[flint lake]

Man stopper and Deathspitter

[frank ether]

bro you need to drop that victim complex

[flint lake]

Don’t bother with both barrels

[frank ether]

zealots fine

[thorny gorge]

they nerfed it recently

[coral willow]

that wasnt even a victim complex you fuck

[bitter turtle]

i like both barrels

[coral willow]

piety should work i just need to have scattershot with it making me not able to equip both barrels

cause both barrel seems like s fun thing to use

[flint lake]

You’re mostly gonna be just firing 1 shot at a time anyways and that’s going to be reloaded by the weapon specialist ability

[bitter turtle]

i dont use always prepared

maybe if u play with mostly single shots

[thorny gorge]

i use on mutis

[bitter turtle]

which is fair

i mostly do brace shots tho

[thorny gorge]

mans runs up and dies

[coral willow]

sounds fun i havent farmed it up tho

spent like 60k plasteel on zealot sauls

[thorny gorge]

[flint lake]

To reload both barrels you just gotta swap between weapons on two kills

[bitter turtle]

yea i dont like nerfing my knife just to run deathspitter

[flint lake]

No need to ever manually reload

[bitter turtle]

if you swap like that u lose your aspd buff

[coral willow]

yeah but the question is if you run weapon specialist what will you even run anyway lol

also forgot weapon specialist takes like

5 extra points

cause idk

[thorny gorge]

middle bottom

[bitter turtle]

idk my points are pretty filled out

[frank ether]

you've been going on about it for days, zealot is not sad lmao

[coral willow]

im going for weeks sorry

its still first week still

[flint lake]

Cause I like to swing my melee fast

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/174389d277237c6656edec95e72f5ae2.png

my tree pretty filled out

i dont wanna drop anything for always prepared anyway

even if i drop deadshot i would rather run demo team

[coral willow]

yeah looks like it
maybe drop deadshot for something else but idk really

[limpid ore]

i hate your tree

[thorny gorge]

what did they touch on zealot

my eviscerator build is still good

[frank ether]

I've been playing zealot and ogryn over your ranting, they're both fine

[last parcel]

drop duty and honour

[coral willow]

honestly not much

[bitter turtle]

yea i just run it becausae im a memer and do brace shots back to back sometimes

[flint lake]

I’d go kraks nades and grab the rending

[coral willow]

im just pissed at how vets get away

[thorny gorge]

i saw they changed what you could crit on

[bitter turtle]

but even then i'd rather take invigorate

[bitter turtle]

wtf do i need rending for

[thorny gorge]

mans doesnt remever

[flint lake]

Melee

[limpid ore]

hopefully that'll change w the new update

[bitter turtle]

im using a knife

[coral willow]

yeah crit evi cooldown reduction kinda gone now

[bitter turtle]

i might as well piss my point away

[coral willow]

until then rage continues..

[thorny gorge]

survilaist was killed

[coral willow]

survivalist is a global node if anything

[limpid ore]

i still run survivalist cause that little bit of extra ammo saved me before

[bitter turtle]

s urvivalist is fine

[coral willow]

also i fear that might be the reason why vet gets away after this patch

[frank ledge]

Fellow veterans, thoughs on the funny indignatus shock maul?

[limpid ore]

sex

[coral willow]

the answer is awesome

[thorny gorge]

whats broken lol?

[bitter turtle]

shock mauls are great except boss dmg

[coral willow]

he got "meganerfed"

🤡

[thorny gorge]

?

[frank ether]

seggs

[frank ledge]

what are the stats of the seggs?

[coral willow]

next patch might not actually nerf nerf him

[frank ether]

yes

[frank ledge]

[coral willow]

cause people complain about survivalist

[limpid ore]

3

[flint lake]

Then take competitive edge. Shotgun will clear mobs by the dozens easily enough to regularly proc and teamates alongside assuming you’re playing on a high difficulty

[coral willow]

if that happens im even more sad

[frank ether]

yes I complain about survivalist

remove it

[frank ledge]

SURVIVALIST... BAD!

[frank ether]

thanks

[bitter turtle]

i would rather take invig or stam delay

comp urge is meh

i dont like relying on rng buffs bor bps

[limpid ore]

but then i would actually have to make a choice of auras

i could never

[coral willow]

surv is still kinda badly designed and still has the most effect out of every single aura in the game imho

[frank ether]

I already choose other auras now

[flint lake]

Hardly RNG on high difficulties

[frank ether]

I have been even before the nerf

[bitter turtle]

i play only histg or AM

[frank ether]

there was always enough ammo

[limpid ore]

i think zealot's dmg reduction and psyker's cdr/crit chance affect more tbh

[frank ether]

bar a few weapons with poor ammo economy

[bitter turtle]

not as reliable as i like still

plus

i dont rly need it

more stam for knife

better

[frank ether]

if you're not running something like exe/mf you dont need that much ammo

[flint lake]

Demolition very reliably provides mountains of nades on highest difficulty

[frank ether]

and if you're running exe/mf... why?

[bitter turtle]

yea

demo team isnt an rng dmg buff

[coral willow]

thanlfully least 2 of them was patched, recon and bolters

[flint lake]

It’s is though at 5% proc.

[coral willow]

really feels great rn

[bitter turtle]

its rng yes

its not a damage buff

[frank ether]

bolter has other issues but ammo is not one of them rn

[bitter turtle]

ur weapon doesnt randomly stop 1 tapping things because demo team didnt proc

[coral willow]

yeah

[limpid ore]

survivalist nerf killed plasma 😢

[coral willow]

feels great again

[dapper latch]

people still whine about survivalist.... jeez

[frank ether]

vets issue with bolter is vet relies on ADS for critting and bolter ADS is... something

[flint lake]

Except it is, you just ain’t seeing it right

[coral willow]

ads is

cringe

[flint lake]

Everything is dmg

[coral willow]

but boltpistol ads is

even more cringe so idk

bolter's fine

ish

[bitter turtle]

idrc run what you want

[limpid ore]

i mean with deadshot it's really not bad

[bitter turtle]

invig and stam delay are extremely powerful nodes though

[limpid ore]

the bolt pistol on the other hand..

[bitter turtle]

esp for knife

[flint lake]

Certainly on knife

[coral willow]

whoever designed boltpistol really shot a deagle and broke his arm and though "this will be fun in a videogame" or somethinf

[flint lake]

I run hacker and combat axe

[thorny gorge]

brother

[bitter turtle]

if you're running caxe you want to rely on rng buffs even less

bromentum 1 tap needs to be reliable

[thorny gorge]

its a sidegrade to revo

[bitter turtle]

might be nice to kill bosses though ig

[flint lake]

Yeah but bigger numbers always good

[thorny gorge]

why would vet ever run a pistol?

[coral willow]

anthing can be a sidegrade to a revolver when revolver has everything

[limpid ore]

LMAAAAAAAA

[coral willow]

also you havent seen exec stance zarona vets oneshotting crushers?

[bitter turtle]

killing scab bruiser with 700 dmg or 900 dmg doesnt really matter with how bromentum works

[limpid ore]

shredder autopistol is a sidegrade to plasma

shredder loses on armor dmg and clears hordes better

[thorny gorge]

is there a plasma pistol

[coral willow]

dude stop roasting him

[bitter turtle]

in lore yeah

[thorny gorge]

in game lol

no

i use revo for specials

[frank ether]

Its not bad, it just doesn't fill the fantasy most casual players want from a boltgun. People want to magdump the thing and vet talent tree doesnt really have the variety for that. I thought of making an exe-weapon spec build only to realize exe doesn't proc weapon spec lmao

[thorny gorge]

i use bolter pistol on specials

[bitter turtle]

yes

https://i.gyazo.com/13270aa751828f3b2be9dfdbf48b1132.jpg

:^)

[thorny gorge]

want

[limpid ore]

society

[coral willow]

exe bolter sometimes decimating a dumb boss is very fun

dumped like half health on a DH

[frank ether]

Zealot does it better still

[faint beacon]

Evil pistol for evil people made in an evil laboratory

[frank ether]

if I want to magdump

zealots the class

[coral willow]

true but idk why but it feels bad now

still the magdump king

[limpid ore]

this man is coping about the rending changes to fotf

[thorny gorge]

zealot was a melee class

i enjoy the changes

[pearl granite]

from 12 mil to 800k in like 1 week 😭

[frank ether]

vet doesnt need ''buffs'' anyway

if I could ask for a change maybe make exe proc weapon specialist

[thorny gorge]

he shoot things good still

[coral willow]

it does deal less damage now tho

[frank ether]

I'd also ask to delete onslaught-skirmisher for something cooler

[thorny gorge]

just play zealot melee 4head

lol

[coral willow]

yes melee deals less damage with fotf

[limpid ore]

how

[faint beacon]

The only 2 changes I can agree with would be Exe stance not immediately vanishing upon swapping to melee, and nerfing the VOC golden node or VOC CD and that’s pretty much about it

[limpid ore]

didn't they change fotf to 100% rending instead of lowering an armor tier

[faint beacon]

Vets fine as is from that point forward

[coral willow]

armor down seems to had more damage ups for carapace than actual rending
its a plus for other armor types for the most part but i can feel lit deteoriated on carapace

[limpid ore]

simply build unarmored damage

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/d7139eb3676e351f13ce232f8245df29.jpg

idk why my plasma is red colored

can someon eexplain

[coral willow]

still have no idea why that happens

[limpid ore]

but yeah i can see why it would be bad

[coral willow]

anyway

its fine

used to it now

[last parcel]

evil plasma

[bitter turtle]

wait

[pearl granite]

38k years later, they figured out how to put color into plasma

[bitter turtle]

traitor captains and rodin have red plasmas

omg im a heretic

[last parcel]

mods

you know what to do

[coral willow]

i dont think scab caps actually shoot red projectiles out of their red plasma

idk though

[frank ether]

I just accepted exe will be forever baby mode but if I could at least proc weapon spec with it I'd try throwing it on some weird hybrid builds

[coral willow]

never watched colors

[last parcel]

only after they eat a lot of beets

[coral willow]

god dammit

[bitter turtle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer-40k-darktide/images/b/b0/Scab-captain.png/revision/latest?cb=20230318033947

evil plasma

[last parcel]

evil plasma be like uses charged shots

[bitter turtle]

evil plasma has -100 cleave

[coral willow]

tbh scab cap plasma hitting you and you only get your toughness half off is funny

[last parcel]

it spawns more enemies if you hit them with cleave

[faint beacon]

Makes me so upset you can’t just swap to melee and then back to your gun and not have it immediately drop it’s super fucking annoying when it’s forced cause your team isn’t covering you and a bunch of stragglers try meleeing you

[faint beacon]

Is good plasma green

And evil is red

[coral willow]

exec should just have sharing for friendlies base and have a reload clip node that cannot taken with ult extension

[faint beacon]

Blue would be neutral plasma

[topaz lance]

This is the most important change they can do to exe stance to make it much more fun to use. Also make it proc WS already Fatlard...

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/26a5acdba790bd8db2aa047c2892676b.jpg

i made the joker handgun

[frank ether]

Its a problem because its designed as an upkeep ability, I want to use it more like fotf but ranged, also really miss the instant reload

[coral willow]

yoo i want that

[coral willow]

i wish insta reload came back but cannot be taken with the upkeep

so you can either go for upkeep

or DPS magdump

[faint beacon]

I don’t mind it’s an upkeep ability at all tbh I just still think melee and well technically melee kills should proc refreshes if you have that node

[frank ether]

Imagine exe insta reload and procs WS

instant action movie shit

[coral willow]

that sounds like its gonna decimate some idiot boss with a bolter

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kala-chashma-ayushmann-khurrana-jehda-nasha-song-an-action-hero-gaur-se-dekhna-gif-27164496

[topaz lance]

So I don't agree that melee kills should trigger a refresh, but swapping to melee to kill chaff annoying you for 3 seconds should be ok.

Very reasonable buff

[coral willow]

anyway people still might be buthurt from the uh 30 rnd bolter things so im guessing thats why vet doesnt get it

[faint beacon]

Maybe we could come to a census it only gives you 2.5 seconds back?

Cause I don’t mind it not being the full 5

Naturally you should focus your gun more

[coral willow]

tbh

if it refreshed on melee kill and also buff melee

it might outclass zealot for a bit

[faint beacon]

I don’t think it should buff melee

[coral willow]

yeah but its funny

[frank ether]

With the last cooldown buff I kind of do not care anymore

[bitter turtle]

exec stance buff
bodyshots are now weakpoint hits
weakpoint hits are guaranteed crits

[faint beacon]

I think melee kills should proc refreshes though

[frank ether]

with the amount of specials spawned you kinda get more or less have exe anytime you want it

[topaz lance]

Roll the standard refresh into the main node and make melee refresh a modifier node to it

[faint beacon]

True

Idk if Highlight for team should be rolled into base Exec

Or kept separate

[frank ether]

I think exe could have two node paths for whether you want it as a one and done thing or have it up and keep refreshing, but maybe thats too much brainrot

[somber axle]

Psst I forgor what the best blessings are for Agripina Shotgun. Full Bore for sure but like do I go Fire Frenzy? No Respite? Manstopper?

[bitter turtle]

no respite

[somber axle]

Thanks

[topaz lance]

imo separate for sure, as I want the kills for myself huehue.

[bitter turtle]

you could probably meme with manstopper if you relaly want though

i think fullbore buff is enough to oneshot a lot of things

[limpid ore]

separate pls

sucks having to compete with your team to make use of your ult

[bitter turtle]

no respite is nice against crusher though

[frank ether]

if your goal is to have high uptime that node only hurts you

[bitter turtle]

since slug is guaranteed to stagger

[coral willow]

i mean you can probably do "makred enemies take +20% damage, and your magaze is instantly reloaded" or something for the non refreshing one worthwhile

highlight team is basically gimping yourself

vut i cant see other nodes being in the base exec

[faint beacon]

Honestly the node paths should be split into like small yet if you pay attention noticeable categories where one side is more support and other is obviously killing or upkeep focused etc

[bitter turtle]

ogryn highlight in base exec :^)

[coral willow]

that would be spiffy

[faint beacon]

They should probably give more of a reason to run Team highlight I’m thinking making your buff on procing Exe Global for the team but half as effective for them so you get the full benefit and they only get 50% of it

[coral willow]

oh yeah

team highlight gimps your extension

idk why they designed that shit node lol

[faint beacon]

Support and situational awareness

It needs something

[frank ether]

thats sorta what I have in mind, and make it proc weapon specialist and thats all I'd even need. I don't really care what they do with the refreshing one they could go wild if they wanted to.

[faint beacon]

Going for it

[coral willow]

i just wish they bring back the old reloading one

so you can choose with either

[limpid ore]

i support my team by nuking everything with exec stance

[topaz lance]

Exe not proccing WS has to be an oversight.
I cannot see this being intended.

[coral willow]

and probably nerf back the exe stance back to 30 seconds to make it balanced if current cdr is gonna be still in

[frank ether]

more people would use it if they worked its kinks a bit and reduced the amount of nodes required to make it work on bare minimum level

I think they don't really know what to do with it

its kind of a relic from an era where vet was the only shooty class

[bitter turtle]

ppl would take it if they did want i said

:^)

[frank ether]

baseline ogy highlight?

[bitter turtle]

no

bodyshots become weakspot hits
weakspot hit becomes crit (and weakspot)

probably op as fuck though

[frank ether]

thats terrible .d

I won't even explain why

you're smart

you'll figure it out

[last parcel]

[limpid ore]

fuck no

[bitter turtle]

yea just shitposting

[limpid ore]

too much

[faint beacon]

It’s kinda why I’m for a complete rehaul of it

[bitter turtle]

infinite crits forever

[faint beacon]

That or drastically changing it nodes

And what’s base kit and what isn’t

[bitter turtle]

no need to run wep specialist with it

u have 100% crit uptime

:^)

[topaz lance]

That buff was kinda funny. FS saying "yeah there is an issue with this ability, just throw some awkward buff at it and see if it sticks".
Well no, it needs some more redesigning.

[faint beacon]

It works as a bandaid fix

Till they can actually rework it

[frank ether]

Hard to know with vet chat lmao

Another reason to redesign exe around more spammy use like fotf btw

you get to hear ult voiceline more often

[bitter turtle]

well

legit

if u change it to cdr and spammy instead of extension

that is an acutal buff even if uptime is the same

since ability use buffs

ppl using exec probably care more about meme juicing up their gun like that anyway

[frank ether]

I think the people that want uptime only do so because they want the highlight for visibility + cool factor

or they're on that iLas grindset and need bps

I do not want to deny anyone their playstyle

but they could easily have both by makingg smart use of the nodes

[coral willow]

ok i just saw 2 marty zealots

commit barrel suicide

in front of me

on the new map

fucking auric pubs

[frank ether]

many such cases

[limpid ore]

i did that once

[frank ether]

aight enough yapping

time for maul

[limpid ore]

dodged while firing recon lasgun

forgot there was a barrel next to me

[bitter turtle]

someone killed me earlier

trying to "help" me kill a poxwalker behind me

shot barrel intsead

[uncut pebble]

Rage.

Big E only gives my vet 370+ weapons if they're not the right model or they're weapons I don't use.

[frank ether]

no respite is funny but maybe not on a mk3 lol

[last parcel]

mk3 bayonet only

[bitter turtle]

Def not on a mk3 lol

[uncut pebble]

I'd rather die.

Could be funny and put surgical and unyielding on it for a boss weapon.

But that's both a huge meme and waste of plasteel.

Welp. Gonna give it to hadron for infernus, ig.

[frank ether]

bring back bromentum 😔

Fat fish taketh away my beloved

[limpid ore]

did the poxwalker end up hitting you

[bitter turtle]

no

[limpid ore]

then they did their job

[bitter turtle]

n9

[last parcel]

[bitter turtle]

no

Cause they shot the poxwalker

After it alr finished it's atk

It didn't hit me bc i dodged on backstab sound cue and turned around

And that's how I saw them shooting

[stiff glacier]

Mk3 is nice

[hollow turtle]

I know this is lore accurate, but I am so disturbed.

[coral willow]

its peak warhammer wdym

[hollow turtle]

Lol how did I piss off Hadron to get turned into part servitor.

[coral willow]

i assume its for people who had their lower jaw entirely blown off or something

so you cant talk

cant expect the imperium to have a fine replacement lower jaw

so a whole vox-talker instead of your lower jaw it is

[amber cliff]

what if his jaw just did that though

[somber axle]

and when you talk your character chews on it! you can see the teeth move

[last parcel]

who need they voxussy ate

[coral willow]

cursed

[frank ledge]

Veterans

does the 90% accuracy penance count

if you were force disconnected?

[idle pecan]

think i got lucky here

?

[last parcel]

yes headhunter is good. crit chance is ok and you're gonna have to swap specialist out

[idle pecan]

im running an infernus build so all sources of crit chance are welcome

im gonna just swap specialists out for like, unyielding or carapace

and have inferus for second blessing

light work

[last parcel]

you shouldn't really bother shooting carapace with a VIIa

that's what your melee is for

[idle pecan]

thats a good melee right

[last parcel]

yeah

[idle pecan]

its what i've been using

[flint lake]

Solid though I’d recommend swapping to maniac or flak otherwise the blessings are ideal.

[lavish ferry]

i wanna roll the double barrel shotty, im poor on plasteel so it will be only blue. Zealot or veteran? Thinking of trying the vet with combat specialist so you always have one in the chamber. But then Im playing vet and I cant kill anything 15m away or more which feels... illegal? But perfectly fine for zealot.

[unreal bone]

I know nobody asked but

This is how I feel when Fartshart makes a perfectly good outfit

Then fucked with it after it’s finished

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430885978169671680/1257889644478206052/VID_153010121_021546_706.mp4?ex=66860c85&is=6684bb05&hm=f4038111d4644ba9b7f6d719b137e9a91b4d5b6bb4a5d87c46ca6333c4e77625&

[quiet token]

Is there some kind of bug with the vantage point missions?

I did the repair mission it wanted me to but didn't count it

[flint lake]

The shotgun is good regardless of blessings so don’t worry so much

[lavish ferry]

I usually go combat knife, thinking i might as well try the shock maul any thoughts on it? I have no idea regarding it

[uncut pebble]

Nonstop error 2014s!

Gotta love it!

[winter grove]

Don't ever say anything like this

[uncut pebble]

This one, commissar. Take them away.

[dapper latch]

you can kill things from 50m distance with the db on vet

theres no excuse

run it on whatever you want

db on vet is one of the best builds atm

[lavish ferry]

Other than maybe snipers since they have nothing. How?

[uncut pebble]

It may still take half your ammo reserves to do it... but it's possible.

[lavish ferry]

It does like 7 damage to gunners

[dapper latch]

better build

you can kill specialists from further than 30m with no problem

[uncut pebble]

Personally I would get the double barrel on zealout first, then use a build for anoint in blood.

[dapper latch]

which is the only important thing

[lavish ferry]

I have a grey one ive fiddled with on the zealot

[dapper latch]

just run up to the gunners

[lavish ferry]

Well thats the plan if you are going double barrel

[uncut pebble]

Longshot can make up for your damage falloff with the double barrel.

[unreal bone]

Chat I got my new GPU 2 days ago

I can’t wait to grind Darktide

[quiet token]

Nice 👍

[dapper latch]

let me send my build one sec

swap demolition for field improv when playing with what seems competent players

[topaz lance]

Here's a thought: Markmans Focus with the DB. Yes/No?

[dire olive]

[plain escarp]

anything I should pick up?

[dire olive]

Surgical IV yes

[wary wharf]

Brutal IV! A sacrifice from Melk

[uncut pebble]

How are you even getting value out of full bore?

[plain escarp]

oh nvm this is on zealot lol

[uncut pebble]

Like I get it for popping ogryns but unless you're literally barrel plugging something, I doubt you're getting the spread to work with you.

[topaz lance]

You're hitting loads of heads with it

[last parcel]

if you earn it on zealot, it'll still be available on vet

[plain escarp]

it does??

same weapon family or ?

this wasn't here when I last played?

[uncut pebble]

Weapon blessings are shared across classes.

[last parcel]

for the bolter, not the bolt pistol

[plain escarp]

yes! yes!

hurrah!

[uncut pebble]

If you pick up surgical 4 for that bolter on zealout you'll have it on vet, too.

[plain escarp]

that's grape

[dapper latch]

by hitting all my pellets..?

what

im not blindly shooting my db im shooting center of mass and only when my crosshair is dead center on the enemy

[uncut pebble]

"When every shot hits the same enemy."

[dapper latch]

yeah i can read thanks

[uncut pebble]

So again, you have to barrel plug non ogryn enemies to get value.

Not exactly sure I'd use that blessing, tbh.

[dapper latch]

you can hit an enemy with a single shot to get the fb and reload and still get the brace shot

under the duration

[mental cloud]

I believe it still counts when you use both barrels I noticed it one shots mutants now before I had the t4 fullbore

[dapper latch]

yes

fullbore has very good value

its impossible to not get a fullbore proc on any shot

unless you're shooting at things from like 500 meters away

so only one pellet connects

[mental cloud]

So satisfying to stop a mutant charge in his tracks lol

[lavish ferry]

the whole point of the meme is the free reloads with weapons specialist

yeah im probably gonna build with shout and weapons specialist, thanks for sharing though

[mental cloud]

Highly recommend that lol

[forest maple]

what should i be looking for as a melee veteran build with the knife, as far as perks and blessings are concered? This is what i currently have.

[lavish ferry]

was thinking something more like this for the meme

Ill be forced into basically melee vet but every few seconds I can blam someone with a shotgun shot and then back to melee all within a second.

either way ill give it a whirl

[uncut pebble]

Field improv and not grenade regen? Wack.

Especially on kraks.

[plain escarp]

Alright this time it's actually Veteran. Are these blessings something to pick up?

Note I don't own any version of these weapons

[last parcel]

mk vi knife with elite dmg, uncanny, mercy killer/ executor
high first target and finesse, pen >60 mobility >17(?)
i think the second perk can be flak/stam but i forgor and the other 3 slots matter more

[last parcel]

high voltage great to grab
the recon can suck the shit out of my ass

[plain escarp]

ah the recon is that bad?

[coral willow]

idk how hitnrun is gonna be good tbh

[last parcel]

no it’s just that the perks/blessings are not good

[coral willow]

also recong is really good

but uh

]nothing really

there

like maaaybe crit chance but you're better off using flak maniac like every other guns

and blessings are garbo

[last parcel]

stripped down sprint efficiency meme

[craggy dune]

Is Infernus worth using on Recon?

i've got a very good Recon VIIa, but I need to know what blessings I can put on it

[last parcel]

yes
best used on the VId as a sidegrade for dumdum but it’s debatably good on the others

vii you’re probably better off going headhunter dumdum

i wouldn’t cry about getting infernus if it meant switching off groaner damage or something though

[craggy dune]

Well, it's got headhunter IV on it, and I can swap out Hit and Run III for Dumdum III

[last parcel]

sounds good

[craggy dune]

Is there a level IV Dumdum, or is it just up to dumdum 3?

[coral willow]

idk if 12 stacks of fire is good tbh

[last parcel]

dumdum 3 vs 4 isnt such a big deal and you can always swap it again later

[coral willow]

any good gungryn will outdamage it

[last parcel]

yes there’s dumdum 4

[coral willow]

its better than nothing i guess

[craggy dune]

Idk if i can swap it out later, since of course you have limited modifications annoyingly

This is what I've got for now

[last parcel]

no, once you swap a specific slot out you can redo that same slot
youre just limited to swapping out 2 slots before the other 2 are locked in

[craggy dune]

Annoyingly i'm locked into unarmored enemies as opposed to maniacs but ah awell

[last parcel]

eh, you’ll live

[craggy dune]

It's the highest rating weapon in my armory now

[last parcel]

ok now go kill a motherfucker

[craggy dune]

What's a good talent set up for it?

[last parcel]

im shaving my pubes rn so heres a generalist build with some free points

[tough tiger]

@last parcelcan i have your pube hair?

[last parcel]

reserved

[tough tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984547778933956718/1246541297905434856/vro-vro-cat-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[last parcel]

oh yeah and bring a melee weapon for anti carapace or kraks

preferably melee

[craggy dune]

Yeaaah

I've got a god stat Rashad that I need to re-bless and change out some of the perks

It's got Brutal Momentum IV