veteran-class

[slow spade]

Tbh I mostly just want the error 2014 shit fixed so I can put a sight on the bolt pistol

[amber cliff]

Keep the fanning rev

pls

its all i wanted

[bitter turtle]

you mean

[amber cliff]

even if its dogshit

[bitter turtle]

for wep customization mod?

there's a way to stop the dcing

[slow spade]

I can't see the gray sights when everything is gray

[slow spade]

Yeah

Is it a recent update for the mod? I didn't see one from the dev 🤔

[bitter turtle]

no

[crimson pebble]

Now that you mention it suprised they didnt tweak it any during update seeing as its dog ass

[bitter turtle]

sec

let me get the instructions

[slow spade]

Ah

[bitter turtle]

ro rather let me just remember what to do

[amber cliff]

the only buff it got was being allowed to pen through teamates..with every other gun

cause for some reason the other revolver could

fan couldn't

was FUCKED UP MAN

I wanted to make a cow boy gunker and I realised that its a bad weapon for it

i cry

well no weapons bad with gaze really

[bitter turtle]

ok

[amber cliff]

but not as good as a full auto

[hearty panther]

yea recon 6 is quite funny now

[lucid hinge]

the fanning rev has a better feel now since it got the new crosshair

[bitter turtle]

@slow spade
Warhammer 40,000 DARKTIDE\bundle\application_settings

go here

open

win32_settings.ini

[hearty panther]

oya thats right

[bitter turtle]

in there there should be something that says

memory_dump_state_enabled = true

change it to false

[slow spade]

Got it

Getting up my bed to do this now lmao

[bitter turtle]

the reasson it keep freezing bc they bugged that function, the freezing-> dc is bc its trying to dump a log or something every time it hits a certain memory usage

but the usage limit is really low

so it happens a lot esp when mods are involved

[bitter turtle]

yea that

[slow spade]

Got it

Thank you for the info c:

[bitter turtle]

i havent had problems since i did that

[slow spade]

Time to ping my friends UwU

[unique orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[slow spade]

Yippie c:

Time for the ogryn "fart on taunt" mod UwU

[amber cliff]

do we have the brain fart anyersum for psyker explosion yet

[amber cliff]

THANK GOD

THANK THE LORD FOR MODDERS

[unique orchid]

yeah of course

[lucid hinge]

Holy shit peak has been addded to darktide

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/325

[bold ibex]

Shock Mauls loves me. literally first I leveled up.

[austere mica]

Too bad those are finesse dumped

Nice job though

[native furnace]

High Voltage + Lighting Reflexes the meta?

[lucid hinge]

HV/Skullcrusher ain't bad

[radiant chasm]

that and skullcrusher

[bold ibex]

61% is hardly dumped. It's 2% attackspeed and like a .8 multiplier? I wish it was higher but- I'll take it.

[bold ibex]

I just love lighting reflexes. You can reliable CC two ragers at a time and then stunlock them with melees.

[slow spade]

Not 550 with perfect stats

Dumpster it goes

[native furnace]

This ws the impression I got: the weapon has a crazy good gimmick, and that gimmick is blocking to ruin a whole wave's day. 😛

And the you get +25% melee power and +25% damage as the reward for pulling it off.

[somber axle]

Maybe I need to roll a Shock Maul with Lightning Reflexes

I didn't like it much with High Voltage

[lime sedge]

what does more damage, crit damage % or weak spot %?

[tall torrent]

Neither is good if ur talking abt weapon perks

[lime sedge]

weapon perks for ranged weapon. Why, what would you recommend instead? (Running a crit build lasgun) w/ headhunter and infernus blessings

[radiant chasm]

niether is good for perks

25% damage perks

or 10% elites

flak maniac, unyielding cara in descending order

[late hatch]

flak maniac is the go to

[radiant chasm]

maybe unarmored for dreg elites

[somber axle]

Recons right? If so you will benefit more from Flak (especially when you need to bodyshot Maulers) and Maniac (Mutie DPS/TTK). Flak is the important one though. Maniac ADM is ok-ish now. With a tiny bit of rending you could probably skip Maniac for Elite or Crit Chance instead

[sturdy zephyr]

So 10% rending helps for recon?or jusy too small number?

[somber axle]

Even just Rending Strikes alone is very worth having on the Recons imo

But I like stacking Chink in their Armour (10% Rending at 10 Stack Marksman's Focus) on the Mk II and Mk VIIa to double down on even more rending with them. I use Onslaught with the Recon Mk VId though. Brittleness is just Rending but instead of buffing your ADM alone, Brittleness reduces the armour of the enemy you hit

It's only a 2.5% brittlness per stack but it stacks 16 times iirc for a total of 40% Brittleness on a target when fully stacked

For a gun that fires as fast as the Recon Mk VId this can really soften up hardy targets like Crushers

[last parcel]

yes

[somber axle]

The important part to remember is that since this is Brittleness and not Rending you have made the target weaker for everyone, not just yourself

But the Recon Mk VIIa and even the Recon Mk II have a fire rate too slow to really benefit much from Onslaught's stacking brittleness

Remember that it's only 2.5% per stack and only applies 1 stack per shot

Usually the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa will kill a target long before Onslaught brittleness ever stacks to a meaningful number

[marble mantle]

Hey do any of y’all know why my mission completions aren’t counting towards any of my penances

[lucid hinge]

They seemed to be bugged rn

[marble mantle]

Well at least it’s not just me

Irritating cuz I want the frames

[lucid hinge]

My strike mission penance won't progress and yeah it's annoying

Just a bunch of free penance score gone to the wind

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ibS4gczAgbSlbEcGJ/d1337VH0rYzz?invite=cr-MSxZWXksMTA3NDAxNTczLA

This is so damn vile

I stalled for 12 seconds

[severe gale]

lmfao

stripped down should still increase sprint speed

[faint beacon]

I honestly can see why it would get nerfed

but at the same time if I was surrounded by melee units

I would die

[severe gale]

increasing sprint speed wasnt that big of a deal

[faint beacon]

0 exceptions

[severe gale]

was just fun

rev it up is still in the game

its not really an issue

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-touhou-project-danmaku-bullet-hell-subterranean-animism-gif-23307612

[faint beacon]

Why deal with Gunners and Shooters

with suppression

[odd wind]

anyone getting infinite load screen trying to get into lobby

[faint beacon]

when you can simply dodge and weave with stripped down

[somber axle]

I had a weirdly long load time today but it wasn't infinite. Have you tried to verify file integrity?

[odd wind]

yea okay i'll do that

been loading forlike 5 minutes lol

no mods too

[somber axle]

Usually that fixes things

[odd wind]

fixed! thanks

[coral willow]

idk if i can shoot while stripped down obv!

[celest rock]

Finally managed to win a couple auric damn missions tonight with a marksmans focus/exstance build running the mk4 DClaw and Mk7 recon

[tall torrent]

which gun

[proven cargo]

This seem fine to yall? Only things I'm unsure about are scattershot & weakspot damage

[celest rock]

Weakspot damage is a little scuffed. But that thing should shred mixed mobs

[spring cloud]

Whats the good lasguns these days?

[celest rock]

MkVIIa recon

Blessings are anything that increases damage

[spring cloud]

Ty ty

[bitter turtle]

reload speed is crap

switch it to flak to 1tap maulers

[somber axle]

Mk II Laspistol, Mk IV Infantry Lasgun, Mg1a Infantry Lasgun, any of the Helbores (Mk II best imo with the right perks/blessings/talents), any of the Recons (Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa are the better general use Recons)

One word of caution: Recon Mk VId has twice the magazine size and a much faster fire rate than the other two variants. It chews through ammo really quickly

[bitter turtle]

weakspot and crit damage perks on weapon are never worth it

10% is too small

it does not work the way you thinik it does

in reality it translates to more like less than 5% dmg icnrease

[somber axle]

Also for the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa you want Dum Dum + Headhunter. Infernus is an ok sidegrade if you get that instead. Weaker at closer ranges but begins to outperform Dum Dum at longer ranges

[tawny badger]

you really don't need the reload speed perk if you already got Both Barrels, not to mention certain Veteran reload speed traits that I forgot the name of

[bitter turtle]

even if you didnt have it

10% reload speed is worthless

[radiant chasm]

or you can run weapon specialist and get the free reload

[celest rock]

Seconded on dumdum and headhunter

[foggy wadi]

gotta say. im not a fan of the new shot gun.

[marble mantle]

I was about to say the opposite

[foggy wadi]

am i just using it wrong?

the two shots seems weak to me. maybe im not used to it.

[radiant chasm]

it has massive drop off

it's def for close engagements but it does shine there

[marble mantle]

Does it really? I’ve been sniping not too bad with it

[radiant chasm]

also it's completely broken with weapon specialist

[marble mantle]

I mean sniping snipers but still

[foggy wadi]

i rather use the kantrael or agripinna t obe honest

[bitter turtle]

it can oneshot everything up to maulers

[radiant chasm]

iirc, the single shot has less falloff then the double barrel shot

for some reason

[bitter turtle]

that being said

[marble mantle]

Ahhhh that’s what I use

[radiant chasm]

kanty also falls off a cliff, bleh, more of a side arm

[bitter turtle]

its not exactly a top tier weapon

[foggy wadi]

with what set up?

[bitter turtle]

the weakness is obvious

[radiant chasm]

agri is nice tho

[bitter turtle]

um

literally just having flak on it?

[foggy wadi]

the far right tree?

[bitter turtle]

idk u can literally do it even on zealot

[foggy wadi]

i went into test mode and it felt weak as hell.

[bitter turtle]

who has less gun dmg

how tf are people not oneshotting mauler with it

are u guys like running a 60/60 dmg stopping one or something

it should be even easier on vet

[foggy wadi]

nope. its 80 damage. ill go test agaion on my vet

[placid portal]

Wait, if boltpistol has reverse falloff, does boltgun doesnt?

[bitter turtle]

what is the sotpping power

stopping power also affect dmg

[foggy wadi]

78

[bitter turtle]

then idk how u are not oneshotting mauler

you have flak on it yes?

[foggy wadi]

this is what i have so far. its a new weapon so not much on blessing

[bitter turtle]

u literally only need flak to 1tap mauler, blessings dont affect that

[foggy wadi]

im just saying in general

[bitter turtle]

well

both barrels/manstopper is best anyway

[foggy wadi]

is it one shot on damnation?

[bitter turtle]

yes

i stg

it has 3k hp

mauler dont have 3k hp on heresy

[somber axle]

How far are you from the Mauler when you shoot it?

[foggy wadi]

so on a head shot usingr double shot its a one shot

[bitter turtle]

you dont even need to headshot

im doing a bodyshot

[foggy wadi]

nope. not a one shot the 2 other times i tried

its taking 2-3 shots

[somber axle]

8m+ the damage falloff begins to hurt the weapon performance

[last parcel]

30m mauler snipe

[bitter turtle]

if anything a headshot vs mauler is even worse

[somber axle]

You need to be 0m to 7m to kill

[bitter turtle]

double shotgun has not so great carapace values im pretty sure

are you like

aiming at the head

cause that is wrong vs mauler

most weapons bodyshot mauler

for better dps

flak body carapace head

[somber axle]

You don't want to shoot Mauler head ever unless you have a weapon designed for Carapace damage and even then sometimes body shots are better

[foggy wadi]

still not getting one shots

change my tree up?

[bitter turtle]

how far are you shooting from

show me your tree too

yea

[foggy wadi]

i have to be near point blank to get close to a one shot

[bitter turtle]

you want to be 5m or closer for reliable

1shot

[foggy wadi]

and its a double shot....

still two shots with single shots. can be a 1 shot if i use both

and the reload after, im just not feeling this gun at all.

[bitter turtle]

like

what are you ocmparing it to

[tawny badger]

you gotta pretend you're scout tf2 with it

[bitter turtle]

yes it has the weakness of range by design

and that does mean its not top tier

it does what it does fine though

good sprint speed/mobility

fast reload

onetaps almost everything

[tawny badger]

it probably works better on zealot than veteran ngl

[bitter turtle]

no

wep specialist with DBS is

[foggy wadi]

im not seeing theswe one taps

[bitter turtle]

probably the best it does

i hate to ask this but are you like

missing

lmao

you saw my clip no?

i did it 2x in a row on zealot with less gun dmg

[foggy wadi]

im hitting maulers

[tawny badger]

you could be missing a pellet or two

[bitter turtle]

and lower gun stats

[tawny badger]

in the body?

[foggy wadi]

no in his ass

cmon...

[bitter turtle]

what is your tree

[foggy wadi]

i just changed it to full damage

so left side then down the middle for tagging

[bitter turtle]

just post your tree

[foggy wadi]

i dont know how

[bitter turtle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

use this

[foggy wadi]

ty

[bitter turtle]

take a screenshot

[foggy wadi]

one sec

now i just changed it to this to test damage fyi

[bitter turtle]

u know what

i bet

a blank tree

can still onetap mauler

but let me see

what distance

are u shooting from

[foggy wadi]

point blank

taking 3 hots

sometimes 2

[bitter turtle]

are we talking about

the double barrel blast

or the single shot

i literally cannot fathom how u would take 3 double barrel shots

unless you straight up miss

twice

[foggy wadi]

single shots.

[bitter turtle]

double barrel does more dmg than 2 single shots

just double barrel the mauler?

[foggy wadi]

well duh

[bitter turtle]

you have both barrels reload perk anyway

[foggy wadi]

i just dont like it.

to much reloading.

[umbral scaffold]

I swear youre like this omipresent parental figure entity of this channel or smthin. Always there and guiding other vet players. Everytime i hipe this channel youre there at a steady 80% id say

[bitter turtle]

lol

[last parcel]

in the walls

[umbral scaffold]

Living rent free in the class channel folder

[last parcel]

no, the rent is sanity

[bitter turtle]

well, most gun also cant 1tap mauler/reaper

the reload is very fast

if u dont like it its fair

but its fine for the intended use case of it (melee heavy builds)

[foggy wadi]

fair.

[umbral scaffold]

Can you mimic what the knife infinite run does with the bayonette ? Or am i tripping

[bitter turtle]

do you mean

the fact that knife sprints faster while charging heavy?

not sure what you mean

but yes

bayonet is like that

if you hold the stab

you sprint slightly faster

its not as dramatic as knife though

[umbral scaffold]

Interesting ! It felt like so in pskynium too. Thanks for the comfirm. I wasnt sure of what i was doing

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/banzai-banzai-charge-ww2-pacific-war-japan-gif-19620794

[bitter turtle]

yeah its

very minor compared tot he knife version

but its there

[foggy wadi]

Is the Columnus Mk V still king?

[bitter turtle]

might as well do it if you have the hb out

[mortal orbit]

Ironhelm is king

[foggy wadi]

nah.

Not sure if i should change things up with my autogun and go down the far right tree for onslaught.

[bitter turtle]

onslaught only increases your dps meaningfully against crushers

[somber axle]

Onslaught is unnecessary for the Columnus Infantry Autogun

[bitter turtle]

if u think that is worth 4 points

go fo rit

[foggy wadi]

i dont know. its why im asking

but sneaky answered and i get it. was just wondering

[somber axle]

If you want to kill Crushers with it you could take just Rending Strikes and Focus Target, and still watch them fall over

[bitter turtle]

well

no not really

even with deadshot i think you dont even hit 1k dps

[foggy wadi]

i use one of the chain axes to handle those armored bastards

[bitter turtle]

it takes more than a clip at least, last time i tried that

[foggy wadi]

or a nice sticky nade XD

[somber axle]

I wish I wasn't at work so I could go into the Psykanium

The pains of working

[last parcel]

bring sefoni to work

[foggy wadi]

it annoyes me that games call them "clips"

[bitter turtle]

just to ask

are we talking about

a typical build

or

[somber axle]

If I could get away with bringing a laptop to work for funny Darktide memes I would but I would be so fired

[bitter turtle]

"i took every single ability buff and exec" build

[somber axle]

When you say a typical build what do you mean

[bitter turtle]

voc

lets be real

anyone using a boring gun like ciag is probably also playing voc

[somber axle]

Yeah I bet I can still smash a Crusher with CIAG and VoC

[bitter turtle]

ok

let me record for you

[somber axle]

No Onslaught

I will record a clip for you too

In 2 hours

When I get off work

[marble mantle]

Made a new pfp : )

[last parcel]

beautiful

[umbral scaffold]

Kinda slays

[somber axle]

I'm almost certain you can comfortably fit Superiority Complex, For the Emperor, Close Quarters Kill Zone, Marksman, Bring It Down and Rending Strikes into a funny Focus Target build and then hit Voice of Command to proc those buffs and demolish a Crusher with 2k+ DPS

[marble mantle]

Thanks : ))))

I will literally never be taking the headwear off in game

[umbral scaffold]

I think it might leave a hole in your jaw.... i domt think u ahould do that.....

[marble mantle]

Would be a bad idea I’m sure

[old quail]

is this what i want on mk 2 recon

[somber axle]

No deadshot memes, no redirect fire psyk warrior shenanigans

Just pop VoC, aim head height and watch the Crusher fall over

[bitter turtle]

less than 1 k with 5 redirect 2 focus

[somber axle]

Ok now do it with VoC and the buffs

[bitter turtle]

i mean

[somber axle]

Then record

[bitter turtle]

i consider 3x ability to be psyk warrior material tbh

like what are u gonna voc for every single crusher just to kill them

[somber axle]

Azrael's Recon talent tree uses them

VoC has a short CD

[bitter turtle]

az is not representative of an avg player

[somber axle]

It's not silly to imagine being able to pop it and burn down a Crusher

Even an average player can use VoC Tactical Awareness and burst a Crusher

[bitter turtle]

ok fine

for the sake or argument anyway

ill do it

sec

[bitter turtle]

i would rather the avg player save voc to save themselves from dying than pop it to kill 2 crushers

fwiw

it does 1.1k dps

with all 3a bility buffs

[somber axle]

You have to play it in suboptimal ways to make it look awkward without Onslaught but if you really want Onslaught you can swap the points over from Grenadier into Onslaught. You have Kraks though with Demo Stockpile, Tinkerer, Bring It Down and Superiority Complex with this tree

[bitter turtle]

which is still

eh

[somber axle]

Show the recording because I do not believe that LOL

[somber axle]

Even my Recon can hit 2k+ without Onslaught

This is goofy. I need to go into the Psykanium to verify when I get home

Because I am positive it can hit 2k+ without Onslaught

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6172b06713e31ce204604b3c29473a1a.jpg

gun stats

im not gonna put cara on it

thats going into meme territory

[somber axle]

You shouldn't need Cara

[bitter turtle]

if i get a good few crit strings

it can be 1.4k

but

usually 1.1

[wild vortex]

Just tried Exec Stance Vet in a vent purge qp damn

It's pretty fun man

[somber axle]

I scream into the abyss that is this empty convention center

[wild vortex]

Using it with Shovel gives me some breathing room vs hordes

[somber axle]

I will be home in an hour and a half to do

CLOWN SCIENCE TIME

[wild vortex]

Everything gets staggered and attacks me less

[somber axle]

Until then I am only a clown trapped in this digital circus

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/fce12d5efae958e681acb17d0f4420f7.jpg

tree btw

[last parcel]

so it this a bet

[somber axle]

I didn't bet anything

[celest rock]

ExStance is good. Especially with oops all shooters and gunners

[somber axle]

I already owe Soldier 69 LOL

[celest rock]

It just feels less safe than stealth or VoC

[wild vortex]

Yeah

It's forcing me to learn to be a bit more careful

But popping exe stance and demolishing a screen full of shooters feels good

I have a really nice 1a Lasgun

[last parcel]

you should make it a bet

[somber axle]

I love Exe Stance with squad highlight but tbh with the buff to non-elite shooters there's probably a better argument for using the all ranged enemy highlight talent now

Especially in Vent Purge and Lights Out

[wild vortex]

I use both

All ranged + team highlight

[bitter turtle]

this is with exec btw

[somber axle]

This is one of THE best guns for anti-shooter duty

[somber axle]

I will be home for clown science soon but until then I can't do anything about this

[somber axle]

I made two bets, lost one and the other is still on-going but forgotten

[celest rock]

I'm actually liking the recon more than the columnus for exstance

[somber axle]

Idk if I want more LOL

[junior needle]

Yes you've got a 4/4, congrats

[last parcel]

i'm going to quickplay into random convention centers in vegas

[bitter turtle]

i will say though

1.7k with deadshot

a lot higher than i thought

[celest rock]

More accurate, less recoil, less suppression

[bitter turtle]

if ur ok with

eating your whole stamina bar ig

[somber axle]

Ooo I missed this because I am on my phone and chat is scrolling fast. This is PERFECT for blessings/perks

[junior needle]

Stop copies me

[somber axle]

I'm a creature in the backrooms today. No one will find me down in the bowels of this convention

[wise jackal]

Stop copies me

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fourleafclover-pepe-clover-girl-pepeclovernft-pepe-the-frog-pepe-gif-26726305

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/dethklok-adult-swim-stop-copying-me-stop-copies-me-gif-17503932

This dredged up a weird traumatic memory of seeing Metalocalypse as a tiny clown at 3 am and the after credits scene of Toki just screaming from the episode he tries to be a bad person

[cold shell]

brick or fix?

[bitter turtle]

technically bricked

but

u can just swap the perks

i think the stats are too low though

[cold shell]

gets hot is good, would volatile be good to help keep the heat up?

[somber axle]

If you're following the Numbers Cat build the Damage/Stopping Power are too low for the breakpoints his build needs

[bitter turtle]

volatile sucks

and is useless

but

gets hot is the only blessing you really "need"

so you could just swap the perks

but i think the dmg and stopping are below the ideal

[cold shell]

I don't know who numbers cat is

[bitter turtle]

the guy who wrote the pin guide

[cold shell]

57 pages holy fuck

[last parcel]

and it's getting more

[somber axle]

#veteran-class message

He wrote the Veteran Class guide in pins

[cold shell]

so what's the damage and stopping power number I need?

[somber axle]

And he is also writing a 2.0 more modern up to date version

[bitter turtle]

78+ for both

iirc

[cold shell]

ah, I use shout and mark as a support/melee build

[last parcel]

in case you don't wan to click the link

[cold shell]

it's for my commissar larp

[short wigeon]

anyone have a good idea of some solid perks for the mk III shock maul?

[paper brook]

Good talents for using a Shock Maul with a Columnus?

Basically asking what good talents are to use with the Shock Maul

[somber axle]

I know the Thermal Resist looks like a meme but it is for an important heat breakpoint to give you one extra shot when spamming uncharged shots before hitting heat cap 100%

[cold shell]

I see.

Thank you for that.

[somber axle]

His build gets the important 1HKO breakpoints on stuff like Dreg Gunners without needing to invest into Longshot or Exe Stance to meet them

No need for Unarmoured perk

[wild vortex]

Yeah so I realized. Mine has Headhunter and Deadly Accurate, along with flakiak

[somber axle]

Talents? Uh I guess Desperado, Trench Fighter Drill, Weapon Specialist

Grenade can be whatever you want but Shock Maul has poor Crusher damage so you probably want Krak

Shock Maul also has bad boss damage so Krak helps offset that too

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bzUaR.gif

Math nerd shit

fuck break points

i either kill it one shot or I don't

[wild vortex]

Saul seems to me to be a crowd control weapon more than anything else

[cold shell]

god, just spotted this in my inventory. 50% damage on power sword is bad, right?

[paper brook]

Also which variant of the Shock Maul is better? Agni or Indignatus?

[foggy wadi]

kinda me. I am thankful ppl go out of their way to figure stuff out. ( you guys are awesome btw) for me. ill pick what i enjoy ( meta /break point or not) and go fuck up some heretics.

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/oIvN.gif

fuck them nerds

[foggy wadi]

[amber cliff]

fellow math no knower

[bitter turtle]

been running indignatus but im pretty sure both are fine

indignatus ST is just heavy spam

agni is heavy light alternating

[amber cliff]

WE SAW WHAT YOU DELTED

punk

[bitter turtle]

it was just the wrong clip lmao

those were both agni

[amber cliff]

nuh uh banned now

[somber axle]

BUT I LOVE MATH LIKE OK HEAR ME OUT

On the Helbore Mk II you need Unarmoured and Maniac as perks to hit the 1HKO breakpoints on Dreg Gunners and both Flamers but if you grab Exe Stance and pair it with Focus Target + Redirect Fire you can ignore both those perks because you now consistently hit the 1HKO on Dreg Gunners and both Flamers at any distance, and can instead get Carapace as a weapon perk that combos well with Exe Stance and Focus Target to bring your breakpoint on Crushers down to 2HKO. Imagine killing a Crusher in 2 shots now imagine this with Shock Trooper and Surgical making those shots FREE. You can literally kill a Crusher for free and do it faster than most weapons could ever hope to do. And even better: with Survivalist Aura you get ammo refunded. Helbore Mk II can be built to be THE most ammo positive gun in the entire Vet arsenal and nothing else even comes close to the infinite ammo it has. Maybe Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun can sorta compare I guess? But it isn't infinite ammo like the Helbore, it just has a VERY deep ammo pool

[amber cliff]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

im a zealot player im not supposed to think

you fuck

[cold shell]

there is no thoughts, only eternal war

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-sleepy-sleep-pizza-homework-gif-4955488

The math is done already

[amber cliff]

Math users when i hit em with the

[somber axle]

The science was completed long ago

[amber cliff]

1% chance

100% faith

[somber axle]

This is just to help you get optimal performance from your weapon

AND THE BEST PART

[amber cliff]

my nuts are optimal yet that shit doesn't get use EITHER

SO WHATS WRONG MATH NERD

EXPLAIN THAT

[foggy wadi]

[somber axle]

With my Helbore Mk II build I can ONE SHOT Crushers for FREE with a combat stim! 2HKO otherwise but if I find a combat stim the carnival music gets so loud it kills Crushers as I approach

I should clarify the 1HKO is only during the 5 sec uptime of For the Emperor though BUT STILL

[amber cliff]

so ur saying i should use stims on my nuts

[somber axle]

I am not a doctor

They are your nuts to use as you want

[mortal horizon]

trying to make the double barrel work....using weapon specialist build. Keep seeing people hype it up like several reddit posts.

are these people not playing auric damnation? Its breakpoints feel...really bad. Maybe it feels better on heresy?

[somber axle]

You have to use it like a melee weapon

[bitter turtle]

what bps are you missing

it should 1 tap everything except crusher/bulwark

[amber cliff]

can I do a shitpost reply since these nerds have it?

[radiant chasm]

It onetaps maulers and below

[mortal horizon]

it just never kills anything unless im literally in its face,
which i get, its a double barrel but. It just feels bad idk lol

like maybe its just not great for auric damnation lol

or im spoiled by plasma and revolver idk

[bitter turtle]

if ur frame of reference is plasma and revolver then yes everything is shit

[radiant chasm]

Doubleshot has harsher fall off then the single shot

For some fatshark logic reason

[bitter turtle]

to give single shot a purpose

2x single shot does less dmg than 1x double

[radiant chasm]

It’s like kanty shotgun has massive damage but it actually doesnt

At distance

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/bc7511a8652f19fb5076d67304bb239a.png

this was my last game with it in auric HISTG

it works fine

[old quail]

manstopper is funny

[amber cliff]

yeah u would stop men wouldn't you

[old quail]

someone has to

[bitter turtle]

yeah

i hate men

[elder fiber]

those men aren't gonna just stop themselves

[mortal horizon]

what blessings/perks?
and talent build?

[amber cliff]

what kind of JUICE DID HE DRINK

https://tenor.com/cKi9QPqyOav.gif

[mortal horizon]

this is what im using, but both barrels feels...idk. I dont notice the 70% being insanely fast reload. it feels slower than it should

[amber cliff]

I hate that wish i just sped it all up

[mortal horizon]

wait

not sure im understanding

so the animation doesnt get faster at all? i swear i thought it wasnt working

so im not crazy

thats really dumb

so it just allows you to shoot earlier in the reload animation?

[bitter turtle]

no

pretty sure its noticeably faster regardless

[amber cliff]

it is faster its just ugly

[bitter turtle]

you can shoot befor eit finishes though

[lucid hinge]

Sometimes you will not notice BB but it does have an effect

it's only really noticeable once you use the DB without it

[mortal horizon]

ok

is my build good then?

and how often are you firing 1 barrel, usualy is it always 2 for the buff?

[bitter turtle]

deathspitter is not ideal

but

its passable i suppose

personally i fire double like 70% of the time but i know josho mostly fires single barrel

[mortal horizon]

whats ideal then?

[bitter turtle]

single barrel is sufficient to kill gunners and whatnot

[mortal horizon]

im asking and no one will tell me the build lol

[bitter turtle]

ideal is manstopper + both barrels

infested + flak

[mortal horizon]

manstopper is penetration on crit?

[amber cliff]

I go full bore for funsies its incredibly annoying to prock though

[coral willow]

doublebarrel go for what blessings?

again consideeing runngun for the spread lock

[mortal horizon]

how are you proccing crits on vet?

[bitter turtle]

weapon specialist

[mortal horizon]

without scatter shot

[bitter turtle]

deadshot

[coral willow]

luck

[bitter turtle]

idk if deadshot even necessaryt

i run it just for the hell of it though

[mortal horizon]

ah ok

its so dumb getting manstopper tho

i rolled a char to get it on the other shotguns

for the meme knife build on zealot

which is fun

but

doesnt carry over here ugh

and i just nuked all my plasteel crafting lol

[bitter turtle]

why arent trappers immune to manstopper 🤔

[mortal horizon]

this is my build rn, should i change something for deadshot?

[bitter turtle]

idk you dont really need it

but

if you did drop something

maybe demo team? 25 toughness?

also no superiority complex?

[mortal horizon]

ok ya, those probs arent needed

[faint beacon]

@somber axle My friend has been subjected to the catwalk barrels

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ibUnc5mdKSpfXOF5K/d1337yy0qGNM?invite=cr-MSxlTDksMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[amber cliff]

GOOD

[faint beacon]

here's this (Look at the right side of the screen it gets better lmao)

[amber cliff]

everyones gotta be killed by em

its character building

[mortal horizon]

thats in the opposite tree haha, how do i get that? i would need to drop iron will etc

is it worth it?

im not that good on my vet its my lowest level

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ac9878f70297c9aad67f6567f0d46467.png

could do this

you dont rly need deadshot im pretty sure

i just like shooting

a lot

[austere mica]

I haven’t died to those forsaken barrels yet

[bitter turtle]

probably more than i need to

[lofty ruin]

what button is your TAG? i was on fire key but that dosent work with revolvers so good

[faint beacon]

Me neither shockingly

I've been ledged!

Not killed yet

[bitter turtle]

right click (ads) and a programmable thumb button on my mouse

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/npDofmJKAbj.gif

[bitter turtle]

using multi hotkeys

[amber cliff]

Invite me to ur game

[austere mica]

I put mine on a mouse side button like a sane person

[faint beacon]

Im very cautious with these things

[faint beacon]

never

[mortal horizon]

this drops confirmed kill, are the right talents up top worth it?

[faint beacon]

Im literally laying down right now

[amber cliff]

and im meticulous

[austere mica]

People who put tag on m1 are insane

[lofty ruin]

id do mouse side but my mouse is so light that it jitters

[amber cliff]

Bitch

[bitter turtle]

go ahead and take confirmed kill if you prefer it

i just always go right

[lofty ruin]

im on a viper ultimate, super lightweight and tiny buttons

[bitter turtle]

5% movespeed

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/dD3DUmtptPr.gif

[serene bough]

maniac ragers are crazy

[bitter turtle]

ummm

they're called dreg ragers

akshually

🤓

[limpid ore]

ehrm

[tall torrent]

dreg ragers gotta be changed tbh

[limpid ore]

akshually they're cultist_berserker

[mortal horizon]

is reciprocity better than close quarters kill zone?

[limpid ore]

yes

[bitter turtle]

im using it with a knife

[serene bough]

look at all these nerds in my veteran discord channel

[bitter turtle]

depends on your melee weapon

for me obv recip is better

knife

doge

[limpid ore]

reciprocity is insane either way

[bitter turtle]

idk i dont know about recip on a psword

[amber cliff]

thats it guys\

im using competative urge

[limpid ore]

it still works for your ranged weap

[tall torrent]

the moment where the best strategy against a melee berserker type enemy is to shoot them instead of fighting them in melee is the very same moment where their design as an enemy fail imo

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt work as well as you think vs ranged enemies

[amber cliff]

its the best talent in the game

[limpid ore]

???

[wise jackal]

What

[mortal horizon]

I typcially use a powersword 6, or rashad

[bitter turtle]

unless they bugfixed it last patch

[mortal horizon]

i like knife too tho but i use knife on zealot usually

[wise jackal]

Literally just wait for there attacks to end

[bitter turtle]

recip dont work on elite gunners

and it only works on trash shooters on the startup of their barrage, not the whole barrage

idk if its even a bug or not

but yea

[tall torrent]

try fighting 8 ragers in melee rn like srsly

[lofty ruin]

ill try it on ADS, not perfect with surgical but better anyways

[tall torrent]

it's not fun to fight dreg ragers in melee rn

[limpid ore]

so you see an enemy that absolutely fucks you up in melee

[bitter turtle]

if its psword i would probably stick with cqkz

[limpid ore]

and your first instinct is to not shoot it and wait for it to close in?

[bitter turtle]

rashad either is fine probably

[somber axle]

I saw the barrel catch fire and knew at least one person would go over the edge LMFAO

[tall torrent]

before this dreg rager buff fighting them in melee is fine

[limpid ore]

jesus christ no wonder pubs are going down to ragers all the time now

and before they were nerfed it wasnt fine either

[tall torrent]

yea

[limpid ore]

cause you couldn't dodge their attacks with low dodge distance

they're the melee dps of the enemy

shouldnt be easy to fight in melee

if anything the scabs also need a buff

[tall torrent]

no, before it was just "bugged" to track ur dodge

[somber axle]

Catachan parry is probably a lot more fun vs Ragers right now. Shock Maul with Lightning Reflexes too!

[tall torrent]

now it's endless fast combo

[amber cliff]

its strange because if I hit the parrt it bugs out a bit. Due to how fast they swing. like it triggers it twice

im not crazy

https://tenor.com/bUEsR.gif

[serene bough]

i wouldn't mind this so much if their lunge attack didnt cover so much distance and come out so quickly

[limpid ore]

it wasn't bugged

[tall torrent]

before this patch, where ragers were dodgeable, they were fine

[faint beacon]

I beg of you

after my friend gets launched off just

[tall torrent]

it tracked through dodge regardless

[limpid ore]

before this patch they were piss easy to fight in melee

[faint beacon]

watch the right side of the screen

its so fucking funny

[serene bough]

but overall yes when they're more than 1 its almost impossible to do anything but kite

[bitter turtle]

speaking of buffs tho

really

[limpid ore]

should've stayed that way

[bitter turtle]

i actually like

[tall torrent]

either by design or by bug

[bitter turtle]

gunner buffs a lot

they actually feel

[somber axle]

I'm not crazy either

[bitter turtle]

like somewhat dangerous now

[tall torrent]

what

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/anna-faris-seriously-shouting-im-not-crazy-gif-12976910

[serene bough]

wrong

[amber cliff]

WRONG

[last parcel]

everyone is sane here

[amber cliff]

incorrect buzzer

[limpid ore]

why do you think the elite damage infantry of the enemy should be easier to fight in melee???

[serene bough]

yes the gunner buff is a good one

[tall torrent]

what did they change on gunners

[mortal horizon]

doublebarrel requires trust 22 to even buy........
how the fuck am i supposed to find a tier 2 blessing on it?

[tall torrent]

patch didn't mention gunner change

[bitter turtle]

they just shoot betterer now

[mortal horizon]

i can't buy them on my lvl 13

[tall torrent]

that's scab shooter

[mortal horizon]

this is horseshit lol

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[mortal horizon]

i have to level a new char up to 22, and roll and hope to get a t2 blessing?

[limpid ore]

only upgrade them twice ig and hope for the best

[mortal horizon]

is there any other way to get it? will it ever show up for a lvl 30 char?

[amber cliff]

u mamde this

[amber cliff]

u made this

ur insane

[somber axle]

...did the other Ogryn fall off too? LOL

[amber cliff]

(and true)

[coral willow]

what did i miss

[tall torrent]

why should a melee elite enemy be completely unfun to fight in melee

[bitter turtle]

o was it only to the trash ones

maybe the trash ones are the ones being dangerous in the packs

[faint beacon]

YES JUST WATCH PLEASE HE GOES FLYING

[limpid ore]

THEYRE SUPPOSED TO KILL YOU IN MELEE

THATS THEIR JOB

[amber cliff]

finally this image isn't just a meme anymore

[mortal horizon]

@bitter turtle how did you find manstopper on it, with it being a lvl 22 min req to buy the shotgun?

[coral willow]

so ragers pre-dodgable patch?

[bitter turtle]

you dont

make a new char

or pray

[limpid ore]

should we make snipers not be a threat in range??

[bitter turtle]

to brunt

or melk

to have one in their shop lmao

[serene bough]

sure but previously there was an opening for you to weave melee hits in and out making it more engaging

[tall torrent]

I'd rather they've just made ragers take less ranged dmg but didn't combo stupidly fast

[coral willow]

i still dont feel anything against gunners

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[limpid ore]

yeah that's why you shoot them.

[serene bough]

now its just a wall of hitboxes

[last parcel]

buy one get one free

[limpid ore]

that's the whole point

[mortal horizon]

I have a new char, they are 13. I made them to find manstopper on the old shotguns.
but if i level it to 22 wont i be approaching the "impossible to get t2 blessings" level?

[coral willow]

big W

[limpid ore]

also you can still dodge and slide out of it

[coral willow]

ye rn its decent

[serene bough]

of course you just shoot them but its less engaging than being able to manage the enemy in melee in addition to shooting them

[coral willow]

its not you have to stun with ult or stagger or you're fucked hitboxes

[austere mica]

Armory rolls

That’s it

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[serene bough]

not to mention when theres >2 ragers now its almost impossible to do anything but kite, assuming youre not overlapped with other specials causing issues

[austere mica]

How I got Manstopper for the tube feeds

[limpid ore]

mfw i have to actually approach enemies differently

[somber axle]

I think the Dreg Rager buff makes them more fun to fight now. They're more of a threat than before and weapons that can stagger break their attack animation are now a lot more valuable for fighting them. Helbore Bayonet time

[bitter turtle]

just dont level them and roll shotguns with plasteel farmed from another char then

[placid portal]

Solution to ragers:

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shoot-harrison-ford-nope-gif-11523430

[limpid ore]

mfw i just dodge, slide and shoot

[bitter turtle]

or brunt/melk

tbh i got it from brunt/melk so idk

[terse idol]

Zarona does it again

[tall torrent]

if u mean more fun as in spam frag or shoot them then yea

[bitter turtle]

i did do the new character shit with the old shotguns though for manstopper/flech

[terse idol]

[serene bough]

reducing the amount of options to fight an enemy is reducing the number of approaches, thus making them more 1 dimensional

[amber cliff]

ragers when i hit em with that dollar store combat knife

[placid portal]

any gun works, just whatever you can shoot straight with is my reccomendation

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/dQcY8WcU1gV.gif

[limpid ore]

you're right i think every weapon should deal 999999 damage to every enemy

that way we'll never run out of options

fun for everyone!

[terse idol]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

now ur just moving goalposts lol

[serene bough]

this kind of strawmaning is a waste of my time

[limpid ore]

how so?

[bitter turtle]

oh wait

i understand ur problem now

[somber axle]

You can still engage them in melee but the timing on dodges is tighter and if you're fighting 3-4+ Ragers in melee you should rightfully not be doing ok in the heart of a blender just trying to melee duel them imo

[bitter turtle]

actually i have no clue about that sorry

didnt think about that actually 🤔

[tall torrent]

if that's the design intention why're maps still spawning streets of ragers

[limpid ore]

cause they're supposed to be scary up close and the game is supposed to be somewhat challenging

[tall torrent]

is it just for u to waste ammo on

[bitter turtle]

ah okay

[placid portal]

ngl Manstopper + Weapon specialist can make DB shotgun a pseudo sniper rifle

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[last parcel]

it does get close. psyker gets double barrel at level 19 but i got it from brunt before i had to roll

[bitter turtle]

psyker gets it at 19

so u should make a psyker and just funnel plas to them

[serene bough]

need more content like this pls

[mortal horizon]

oh can psyker get it earlier? still rough to level from 1 now damnit

[somber axle]

Because as a Veteran why should we be able to comfortably fight 8 Ragers in melee without using grenades, a melee weapon that can counter them effectively or engage them at range where we are strongest? You use VoC, just pop that to stagger them off and slam Plasma shots into them

[bitter turtle]

yeah sucks

[placid portal]

i find it funny db shotgun can kill things further than you'd think with single bullet fire

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1241143831454421032/RagerMoment.mp4?ex=6685c5c4&is=66847444&hm=0752ea42851848098c283c7e98fddb31b2280cc4d6115d041c8cdf5eea310bff&

this is also fitting

[mortal horizon]

ya.,..i wanna use the gun but

i think im just not gonna do that

would rathe rplay damnation and have fun than a lvl 1-19 again lmao

[amber cliff]

Was that what u wanted

[serene bough]

these voicelines should be added

[amber cliff]

I have more

[serene bough]

yes

more

[tall torrent]

because being able to melee fight them is fun? it shows u practiced ur combo & timing?

[mortal horizon]

ill just bench the gun until the rework, when i can pull the blessing from the tree or w/e

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1247976800185880687/POXWALKER.mp4?ex=668594f7&is=66844377&hm=6ac97f0ae743c658263f968b3e78829ce600e7ce3ab6856b4b5c36e0090e0402&

[austere mica]

The alternative for rolling on a low level character is checking the Armory

[amber cliff]

one more cause I wont spam here

[austere mica]

Stuff there always rolls 1-2

[bitter turtle]

you could just do both barrel/scatter

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1201513966078275686/daemonhost.gif?ex=6685f5d4&is=6684a454&hm=ab4933533830e9286eb83183dfa420018cceda7680e75ea004131780de3c6215&

[bitter turtle]

its ok\

[placid portal]

Ragers when I hit them with the crit riposte with my Dclaw

[serene bough]

excellent

[austere mica]

How I got Manstopper for the standard shotguns

[bitter turtle]

not terrible

[mortal horizon]

sad bc i wanna use it, feels really bad without manstopper and i know the difference it owuld make bc i use the lawbringer with manstopper on zealot and its dope

[somber axle]

Yeah so you can continue to do that now but it is harder and when a Rager horde of 8+ appears you should definitely not try to melee them unless you are very, very good and very confident in timing

[limpid ore]

then use a weapon with half-decent dodge and learn your combos well

because it's still doable

[austere mica]

Or you have a crusher

[somber axle]

I think you can still reasonably melee duel 2-3 Ragers at once tbh

[tall torrent]

yea I do, it's still just not worth going for

[austere mica]

Crusher on its way to pancake everything ever

[placid portal]

I love the shock maul, it's so fun and has unique combo chains after special which is cool

[limpid ore]

yeah cause you don't wanna risk losing hp to the crackhead with two axes up close

[faint beacon]

How fucking many of these do you have and can I have some

[limpid ore]

which makes sense

cause it's a crackhead with two axes

[tall torrent]

no, it's the fact that there is almost no opening vs rager groups now without very specific tools that does AoE hard stagger

[somber axle]

WAIT A SEC TAC AXE MK IV SPECIAL DOES A STRONG STAGGER...

[placid portal]

Is it just me or does shockmaul combo of the indignatus Heavy 2 light heavy2 is SUPER fast

[tall torrent]

u can stagger 3 out of their combo and the 4th rager immediately bonks ur head

[tall torrent]

on a single enemy yea

[limpid ore]

nononnoo i wanna mash m1

and every rager should die that way and i should take 0 damage

[tall torrent]

like, felk ur argument just does not stand very well

I never said they're not meant to be challenging

[somber axle]

I want to try using special spam on Tac Axe IV to stagger stunlock a Rager horde now

[limpid ore]

and they weren't before this update

[tall torrent]

I'm saying they're unfun to fight

[limpid ore]

since they nerfed their tracking they have been a joke

[placid portal]

Ragers lunge more while attacking?

[tall torrent]

a couple yea

only hits 3 tho

[mortal horizon]

which model you like?
also, i couldn't figure out when it was right to use the special i hated how it locks you in a long animation

[limpid ore]

kinda. their combos are much faster so they move faster while comboing

[faint beacon]

Yes, I've noticed Dreg Ragers can lunge decent distances now

[bitter turtle]

both are good

just depends on the attack pattern you prfer

[tall torrent]

dreg rager has much faster recovery from some attacks

[placid portal]

Indignatus, I found out the Heavy 2 into light loop is super fast

[somber axle]

Lightning Reflexes for Rager horde control...

That could be so fun

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

ST combo

[serene bough]

or you know, shredder frag spam

[tall torrent]

yea

[somber axle]

Infil + Shredders like we're larping the Karnak Twins

[tall torrent]

it just devolves into frag spam/shoot

[limpid ore]

again, you can still fight them

it's just not a cakewalk

[placid portal]

I find how the Indignatus has a faster heavy strikedown loop with heavy 2 > light > Heavy 2 bc the light goes back up to heavy 2

[tall torrent]

and it's still unfun

[bitter turtle]

o does it?

ill give it a try

[limpid ore]

i assume your definition of fun is decapitating 20 dreg ragers at once

[bitter turtle]

or maybe not? 🤔

[tall torrent]

never even said that

[bitter turtle]

well ill see later anyway

[tall torrent]

ur just making words up now

[limpid ore]

then what's the problem? you can still fight them in melee

[placid portal]

Heavy 2 from indignatus btw it can also do agni heavy 1 if you do the special after heavy followup seems like

[limpid ore]

they're just actual threats now

and you're better off fighting them at range, as it's their weakness

[serene bough]

But why is this not the case for flak ragers

[somber axle]

Ragers are really fun now. Harder but more fun. Gale and I looked away 2 seconds and Rager spam went blender mode into our backs and it was hilarious LMFAO

[serene bough]

Being naked is being stronger in 40k I think

[placid portal]

ngl flak ragers kinda get it rough since everyone has Flak Refine which melts them

[limpid ore]

cause they have armor (like that changes anything)

they'd have to buff flak armor by a ton for them to have an identity

[serene bough]

Ironically the armor makes them weaker

[tall torrent]

I still think that when the berserker enemy is more fun to fight with a gun than with melee is when its design stops being good, that's just my opinion

[serene bough]

Like substantially

[placid portal]

power of nurgle stims embbeded in their bodies >>>>> some scrap metal

[frank ether]

the problem is between rending and weapons getting very generous flak modifiers, scab and carapace enemies have become a joke

[tall torrent]

flak rager's in a weird spot because they somewhat serve as rager mauler hybrid

10 mass blocks cleave on a lot of weapons

[frank ether]

you end up in situations where a gun kills scabs, the armored units, faster than the dumb ass unarmored dregs

[tall torrent]

blocks cleave on most attacks that can break rager combo

[bitter turtle]

Not just 40k

See bikini armor

Checkmate

[placid portal]

also dreg gunner has more HP than scab gunner

[faint beacon]

Oops all ragers

[limpid ore]

scab ragers are still a joke

[placid portal]

bruh moment

[serene bough]

When does my ogryn get bikini armor

[faint beacon]

I want Dreg Ragers to be more sceptible to Stagger right, however I want scabs to have high stagger resistance so they're not a fucking joke in melee

cause Scab Ragers seriously are a joke

[placid portal]

Scab ragers instantly dying bc every weapon has Flak refine modifier dealing 20 morbillion damage

[faint beacon]

Literally

Rest in Piss my scab rager brothers

[somber axle]

This would be nice

[bitter turtle]

I think maniac needs a better identity as an armor type too

Like what does being maniac actually mean

[mortal horizon]

ya i want to play something else but plasma, its just too good to swap off of. i want buffs to other guns.
my plasma is missing 1hko on gunner elites tho, is the tier 4 blessing the difference prob or is that just the life of weap spec build? (I have t3 gets hot, blaze away)

[serene bough]

All maniacs should be naked

[bitter turtle]

There's no consistent pattern to adms with maniac

[limpid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-stupid-meme-lmao-funny-gif-15066925

[bitter turtle]

Sometimes lasers do more dmg

[coral willow]

insane guy fed up on drugs so getting shot by bullets doesnt hurt much

[bitter turtle]

Sometimes autoguns do more

Somtimes melee does more

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[bitter turtle]

Then why do iags have good maniac modifiers

[limpid ore]

my biggest problem with maniac is that my rashad mk2 deals more damage to them on light attacks than it does on heavies

[bitter turtle]

And recon have bad maniac modifiers

[coral willow]

because it has physical projectiles leading to more "stopping power" than lasers

least thats how i interpreted it

[bitter turtle]

Ok then why do headhunters have bad maniac modifiers

[tall torrent]

it's been that way for a while

[coral willow]

no fucking idea, probably AP ammo

[limpid ore]

cause maniacs don't use their brains, duh

[serene bough]

iLas have good maniac damage yes?

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Mb I'll just put my veteran in the bare minimum clothing you can give them real quick

[serene bough]

Inforget

[frank ether]

The entire armor system is a mess and rending only made things so much worse. I'm not saying flak should be bullet sponges but in terms of gameplay they should never die easier than the unarmored versions nor should they behave like untrained fucking nurgle cultists as they are ex guardsman, war veterans and all that.

[tall torrent]

crazy people, basically

[bitter turtle]

Why does ilas have good maniac

If lasers bad

[limpid ore]

bigger laser

[coral willow]

it does?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[coral willow]

always thought the uh

iags were better

[bitter turtle]

Ilas rips apart maniac

[coral willow]

hm

[bitter turtle]

And does fucking awful into flak

[coral willow]

probably bigger laser idk fuckin

kekw

[limpid ore]

see? told you

[bitter turtle]

See it makes no sense

[limpid ore]

bigger laser.

[bitter turtle]

Maybe that's it

[coral willow]

lasguns kinda never made sense to me

[bitter turtle]

Maniac are crazy

[mortal horizon]

what would you guys say the best 3 vet melee's are overall?

[coral willow]

it has wack damage modifiers

[bitter turtle]

So nothing is consistent

[serene bough]

Lore accuate, confusing and full of contradicting variables

[mortal horizon]

ps6, rashad, knife?

[serene bough]

But yeah

[limpid ore]

both knives, ps6

[serene bough]

It don't make much sense

[coral willow]

rashad

[mortal horizon]

axe 2 is rashad ya, haha i said same thing

ive been away for a while.
Has the knife 6 overtaken the old knife as better?

[tall torrent]

my headcanon is that iLas high maniac is supposed to depict lasguns being highly effective vs exposed flesh but not good vs armor

and then laspistol having lower maniac vs flak is due to shorter barrel = less stopping power behind shots

[bitter turtle]

Yes

Knife 6 has better horde and = single target dmg

No downside

[limpid ore]

has been since it was out, you just lose some of the movetech

[mortal horizon]

even on a stabby zealot build is mk6 knife better?
or speciifcally is it the better defensive knife for psyker/vet etc

[coral willow]

is it?

[bitter turtle]

Better in general

[tall torrent]

u don't lose movetech with it actually

[coral willow]

thought mk3 spamming special light has more DPS