veteran-class

[drifting oak]

I feel like I'd rather have flakmaniac for elite gunners, both ragers, mauler chests

and any poxwalker collateral is just gravy

[junior needle]

No one knows. No one wants to.

[mortal horizon]

wait so, did ps6 get nerfed?

i didnt read all the notes just used it first time poke feels weaker or am i missing headhsots or something

[winter grove]

Yes

[drifting oak]

what's the maximum range you can clear poxwalkers out to with 25% infested + crit

I feel like it's overkill

[winter grove]

Are you really relying on crits for horde clear

[drifting oak]

if the point is manstopper cleave crits...?

[winter grove]

Double barrel has big cleave on itself

Just put on infested and horde dies as is

[drifting oak]

I don't have infested on and horde dies as is

I'm not sure what benefit you truly get out of it

you extend your non-crit oneshot range a little bit... but at those distances I'm not shooting the sawed off in the first place?

and if i am I'm going to shoot twice anyway

[winter grove]

Let me guess

You fire both barrels

[drifting oak]

the second shot is probably going to give me a crit because of weapon spec bonus + scattershot

no

[somber axle]

Manstopper + Scattershot and Infested let it kill Poxwalkers with minimum pellet count hitting them at long ranges iirc from Azrael bringing up the perk's usefulness on Double Barrel Shotgun

[drifting oak]

proccing scattershot is shoot single barrels, one after the other

the first shot stacks your crit chance very high, the second shot is your manstopper cleave

[somber axle]

Turns the funny Shotgun into a solid tool to wipe entire waves of hordes and it still punches through rager packs in your face too

[drifting oak]

the benefit of infested would be that your oneshot kill distance is higher

[winter grove]

Yeah, so entire horde dies

Literally

[drifting oak]

but I'm not sure how useful it is given that a crit seems to still oneshot a poxwalker at like 25meters

so how much further do i really need to push out my oneshot range

[winter grove]

I

[somber axle]

#veteran-class message

[winter grove]

I just said why

[mortal horizon]

i havent played in a while, did they nerf the ps6 poke dmg or something significantly or am i just using it poorly? it feels way lower

[drifting oak]

"past 15 meters" why am I shooting past 15meters

just feels weird

[somber axle]

Though Azrael is using Infested/Unyielding Manstopper/Both Barrels

No Scattershot

Probably forces crit through the 100% crit chance from Weapon Specialist

[drifting oak]

it's not that high, scattershot caps at 5 stacks aka 60% from that

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist seems like the best keystone to pair with Double Barrel

[drifting oak]

weapon spec doesn't give enough to hit 100% i don't thinnnnnnnk?

[winter grove]

It does

It's the main benefit of WS

[drifting oak]

i thought it was only like 25% crit at max stacks

lemme check

[torn gorge]

wait did they fix weapon specialist to not give just 33%?

[drifting oak]

oh it's 33% period

so 93% crit + base crit

[somber axle]

Azrael told me the tooltip is bugged and even 1 stack is enough for 100% crit chance

[drifting oak]

and base crit is like 10 or 15% after nodes?

[torn gorge]

that must have changed recently then

[somber axle]

The tooltip implies that you get 33% crit chance per stack when you swap over but it seems it always gives 100% crit chance on your next shot regardless

[drifting oak]

fatshark moment

[torn gorge]

it used to give just 33% regardless of stacks

[somber axle]

Even if you only had 1 stack/1 melee kill before swapping to ranged

[torn gorge]

ok i can confirm

its def bugged

so ye

[winter grove]

Oh boy

[coral willow]

l o l

[winter grove]

DA bistol

[torn gorge]

nothing gets even close to agile engagement WS revolver rn

[marble mantle]

Is the last shock maul the best?

[coral willow]

it does diff

i like the mk3 tho

[winter grove]

Well duh it's Zarona

[drifting oak]

f u c k i'm outta plasteel

i had 80K and i spent so much on ogyrn picks trying to get slaughterer 4

[somber axle]

100% all the time

Sometimes things are broken in our favour!

[torn gorge]

ye its a guaranteed crit

[drifting oak]

so yeah

[torn gorge]

and 25% on top cause agile engagement

[drifting oak]

first shot, crit manstopper, proc scattershot

[torn gorge]

too bad bolt pistol has ass sway

[drifting oak]

fire second shot, high odds of a second crit

[faint beacon]

My teammates pushed a poxburster into me and got me killed cause of it

I may or may not be slightly upset

[torn gorge]

otherwise it could be a cool gimmick to pull out

[somber axle]

Barrel them the next time they stray near one LOL

[faint beacon]

I just left

lmao

Im trying out this Aggressive Assail Psyker and am enjoying it

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/goedulf-barrel-explosion-flying-rocket-launch-gif-4036057764296512193

[last parcel]

are you doing puncture assail

[torn gorge]

aggressive gunker is very fun

[faint beacon]

No cause im not a LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[last parcel]

[faint beacon]

Though I very easily could

but i'd rather run the uh

Laspistol

literally learned today that Psyker changes the push into a Warp push

Like

never knew that

900 hours btw

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

Warp push is very fun

And it makes the weird penance for shoving things into the giant whirly blades of death on the desert map easier!

[winter grove]

I remember I run surge psyker as main build

Aka my own "what the fuck is melee" build

[somber axle]

Surge Psyker was my fav staff just because enemies sometimes explode

[faint beacon]

It clicked to me

[somber axle]

Ogryn go POP

[faint beacon]

that the ogryn kept

hitting barrels near me every time

[winter grove]

Also smite + creeping flames

[faint beacon]

every damn time

[winter grove]

Horde is a joke

[somber axle]

Some people are just rude dudes

[torn gorge]

you dont even need smite, just creeping flames

[faint beacon]

I simply leave

thats it

[winter grove]

Okay but

[somber axle]

Not worth the wasted time playing with them, dropping group was the right call but wow I love revenge LOL

[winter grove]

Just burning isn't satisfying enough

I want to both burn and electrocute them

[faint beacon]

Look im one to not massively say "oh im the best" or whatever ego shit right

but they were struggling

lmao

I was shockingly doing fine

our vets were not... doing the best

[somber axle]

This was fun for like... 2 or 3 matches but Smite reliant talent set ups feel so boring to play. But it's fun for a few games for just melting hordes LOL

[coral willow]

what does it do btw

[winter grove]

It's primarily surge staff build

[faint beacon]

So normal push with las pistol right

[winter grove]

Smite is just thematic bonus

[somber axle]

I love going Macabian Dueling Sword IV into crowds and doing a funny stabby dance

[faint beacon]

now make it a larger AOE

[winter grove]

Gunker

[coral willow]

oh it does AoE push?

[faint beacon]

boom Psyker Warp Push with the laspistols

yeah

at the cost of 10% Peril

each push is 10%

no stamina btw!

you can spam it!

[somber axle]

You get a longer range psychic push using the force swords that shoves enemies further than the normal shove you would get using the Dueling Swords, Knives, etc.

[somber axle]

I'm addicted to the speed and the rush ok

Adrenaline junkie zipping around high on my own psychic supply stabbing Crushers to death and dodging everything

It's barely Gunker because I almost never touch my ranged weapon LOL

[coral willow]

you'd think they know how to make certain weaponry do unique shit from classes to classes considering laspistol but nope zealot gets weak ass bash

[winter grove]

So

You're playing gunker correctly

[somber axle]

Yeah big AoE psychic push! And it has a decent range too

[coral willow]

oh i know PA is the push further, i like it very much one of the reason i use deimos over ds4

[winter grove]

Gunker is a crackhead with infinite dmg ups if you're using SG

[somber axle]

Laspistol is for putting down the Sniper hiding behind a crate across the room. Everything else gets the blade

[winter grove]

I use ciag personally

Dakka

[coral willow]

if yo uarent blasting ciag 90% of the time to random mobs you aint gunker

peak brainburst gunker

[somber axle]

If I'm using a staff I like going force sword sometimes, if I am Gunker it is Macabian Dueling Sword Mk IV all day everyday

[faint beacon]

Veteran chat slowly converting into Psyker-class 2 atm

[coral willow]

illisi exists ao thats what i use

ds4 is whatever hordecleae

it can do it but its conversome

[marble mantle]

Cumbersome?

[somber axle]

I forgor what I used for blessings but I could spam lights and clean up hordes so fast with it

[coral willow]

rampage or shread

[faint beacon]

Slaughterer?

[somber axle]

It had surprisingly strong horde clear with a certain set up

[faint beacon]

or Unstable

[coral willow]

you havent experienced illisi lightspam

[winter grove]

Lets talk about tactical axes :)

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-tf2-medic-i-have-no-idea-no-idea-gif-17644007

I genuinely haven't touched Psyker since I 100% cleared their penances

I spend all my time on Veteran

[coral willow]

you should idk

i like their dome

[somber axle]

I should play more Psyker

[coral willow]

its like voc but builds related to it is even worse tahn voc since idk if anything synergizes with it

[somber axle]

Next time I do a match with Gale I will force myself to play Psyker if I remember

[winter grove]

Ogryn doesn't make me want to play it idk why

I genuinely have zero interest in playing ogryns at all

[coral willow]

big hunk of flesh get shot by many spiky ones

[somber axle]

Ok but weird talk time I love the Tac Axe Mk IV and have a weird Brutal Momentum set up that lets me turn it into a faster Rashad Mk II Combat Axe for a short time through a lot of damage buffs to push it to the 1HKO bruiser breakpoints for cutting down multiple heads at once LOL

[coral willow]

i hate mk4 axe

mk7 is better

[somber axle]

It's so FAST

[winter grove]

Nuh uh

[somber axle]

I haven't tried the other Tac Axe variants tbh

I got a perfect roll Tac Axe Mk IV and never looked back

[celest rock]

Fucking christ the first puzzle section on the new map is GARBAGE

[coral willow]

PA-H1 combo basically does enough damage to push it beyond a simple bruiser BP i think

least on zealot

a mk4 lightspam has low damage so brumentum doesnt work half the time

[woeful ibex]

any bets on how they would implement the longlas? (Source is the new Short story they released)

[somber axle]

Yeah it's why I do a very dumb set up going all in on melee damage anywhere I can find it

I found a way to put clown shoes on the axe

[coral willow]

mk7's lights also have faster spam due to l2 basically having no delay

l2 was a bait before but after they fixed it i think it has the best dps?

not sure

[winter grove]

They should add hellguns fr fr

[coral willow]

imho only thing tac4 does better than 7 is that its special is a 3combo of thrust thrust overhead instead of thrust overhead

i guess on vet where stamina is less available mk7's PAspam doesnt work so mk4 is more valuable

[civic knot]

Buy? Wont deadly accurate 2 garantuee many breakpoints?

[winter grove]

Reminder

Mk4 is braindead

You do same thing to every enemy

Chaff? Light spam
Elites? Light spam
Carapace? Light spam

[coral willow]

its not fun

[last parcel]

[coral willow]

mk7 combos are fun-er

[winter grove]

On the fucking contrary

WS additional attack speed makes it a lawnmower

[coral willow]

brrrt

i like ps6 with ws

lightsaber pewepwepw

[winter grove]

But mk4 is overall funerer

Shred heavies also just oneshot whoever is unfortunate enough to get caught

[bitter turtle]

Mk7 can't do le samurai slash so it is worse

[coral willow]

underhead?

[winter grove]

It's usually elite or specials

[coral willow]

idk about that but sure

i like mixing and matching combos with mk7

not mindless lightspam of mk4

[marble mantle]

I wish I liked the shock maul combos more tbh

[coral willow]

if i wanna do that im going for rashad

[bitter turtle]

U said it looked sick yourself

[winter grove]

You can heavy spam for single target dmg

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[winter grove]

Unless it's carapace

[drifting oak]

after some subjective play with sawedoff + weapon spec, having a sawedoff crit pushes your OHK for poxwalkers pretty far out

I guess there's some memes you can do with clearing entire long hallways if you REALLY want to but I'd rather have flakmaniac for more consistent kills on ragers and elites.

now, if you just want to always have the sawedoff kill poxwalkers even without weapon spec procced

[coral willow]

oh that was a tacaxe didnt realixe the cosmetic on it lmao

[drifting oak]

that's another case altogether

[coral willow]

i have a decent tacaxe with shred on it on zealot

i dont like it

eventually just used mk7

[stable flint]

Does someone kn ows how born leader work exactly ? What happens if you get toughness back while you're already full, does your allies get 15% of it or do they get 0 as you don't actually recover tougness

[bitter turtle]

It still works at full toughness

Most builds can't feed a meaningful amount though

Gloryhunter plasma is the best case for born leader

[stable flint]

Thanks, i think i've got the perfect build for it

[junior needle]

Doesnt appear to give me 100% crit for a kill, unless this is just an unclear way of saying you get it for one shot.

Confirmable easily by shooting at a crusher

[coral willow]

pew pew

why does bolter get 16 toughness when single shot including plasma get 30

whomp whomp

[tall torrent]

plasma gets 25% at IV gloryhunter

[somber axle]

That's strange. I went to verify it in the Psykanium after that chat with Azrael and couldn't get a non-crit on 1 stack after a few attempts. I guess I needed to do more fishing for non-crits. Does that mean it is working intentionally and properly applies 33% per stack and the 100% crit chance is placebo? Also can you record a Weapon Specialist clip of swapping at 1 stack for a non-crit to reference?

I would verify this and record it myself but I will be at work for another 4 and a half hours

[coral willow]

ok at least its not broken

[torn gorge]

the follow up shot is guaranteed crit

i replicated it 45 times on revolver

[coral willow]

anyhoo, does runngun reduce spread on non-running still?

[stable flint]

It's not, i just got non crits after getting the buf

[tall torrent]

shouldn't

[somber axle]

It should be 100% crit chance only for the first shot after swap when activating ranged specialist

[torn gorge]

[stable flint]

However, i only managed to get non crits for buffs staced 1 time

[tall torrent]

u can literally check what my guide says btw

[coral willow]

its reducing the reticle though, which is what im concerned

[torn gorge]

i tried all stack combinations

multiple times

always an orange number

[coral willow]

both for kickback(before and after patch) and DB

[tall torrent]

show comparison

[somber axle]

Or at least it should be 100% crit chance if Azrael's info is right about the 1 stack 100% crit chance weapon specialist thing being bugged

[stable flint]

I think the way it works is that if you have stacks of RS, you ghet 33% cri multiplied by the stacks

[tall torrent]

standing reticle with/without R&G

[coral willow]

im off the game rn cant do it
i used to post a kickback comparison on ogrynchat so will have to look for it but that was before the update

[somber axle]

Tbh even if it is 33% per stack it just means get 2-3 stacks (dependent on weapon base crit chance, Deadshot or no, etc.) from 2-3 melee kills before swapping for a guaranteed crit

[somber axle]

Yeah that's what I thought before too but Azrael said it is 100%

[stable flint]

Yeah it's very strong regardless

[stable flint]

I just got non crits with 1 stack of RS in psykanium

[coral willow]

#ogryn-class message

i think i need to record to be sure

loadout config does wonders but i cropped this bad lol

and also before update

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist is only 100% crit chance for the first crit and on a Recon that means only the first crit string. So only the first 2 shots are crits, the rest are using your normal crit chance

[coral willow]

but i have seen the reticle get reduced in the psycharium with loadout config

im not sure if it actually reduces spread

or not

after patch

[somber axle]

The funny part though is that your vid shows it is bugged for Recons LOL

[coral willow]

since runngun was changed

[junior needle]

That's what I've always known it to do, that came across as saying you get 100% crit until you kill a target

[somber axle]

It should make the first crit string happen but it doesn't

The numbers imply this is not a visual bug either

It just isn't applying the crit string properly for a Recon

[somber axle]

Oh no LOL

It's not that way at all

[junior needle]

It happened, I just missed the first shot

[tall torrent]

I'll check again

[winter grove]

BUT IMAGINE

[tall torrent]

maybe it's smth weird going on

[somber axle]

It is only the first shot after swap that gets the 100% crit chance

[junior needle]

Yes, but you still get the string even if you miss

[somber axle]

No further shots beyond that first buffed shot get the Weapon Specialist crit

[junior needle]

My second shot showed a crit

[winter grove]

Imagine if you had 100% crit chance until you kill someone

[junior needle]

It appears to be working as it should

[somber axle]

That would be broken on automatic weapons LOL

[winter grove]

Grab something single fire like a lasgun or bistol

[last parcel]

combine with nonlethal rounds and manstopper

[somber axle]

Especially Recons given the synergies with Shock Trooper

[coral willow]

it was always like this si unless something major changed during this patch it should be the same, i think.

idk why but runngun is wierd

[last parcel]

just dump 300,000 beams into the chaos spawn

[somber axle]

Soldier 69 do you wanna do some GAMES eventually with a clown?

[tall torrent]

it did get changed

[somber axle]

I already do that and it's very fun

[junior needle]

For what purpose

[tall torrent]

run & gun used to be -30% overall, but only -20% while sprinting

[snow pendant]

playing heresy pub was such a bad idea , tons of main character syndrome that just run to all the opposite corner of the map and die

[coral willow]

ye, but it still seems to reduce the reticle

[tall torrent]

they removed the +10% penalty it seems

[last parcel]

now it’d be free

[coral willow]

im just off my pc so i cant test kek

[last parcel]

double the pride

twice the fall

[junior needle]

Oh whoops

[zenith helm]

how do i fix this?

[winter grove]

I wanna know if it really is bugged

And if I can abuse it

[somber axle]

FUCK I FORGOT

[last parcel]

forgot the discord kitten call eh

[zenith helm]

what is the go to blessing on plasma gun?

[somber axle]

no it is most definitely not that

[winter grove]

Gets hot

[bitter turtle]

Wtf is wrong with redditors

[winter grove]

Wdym

Everything

[bitter turtle]

Some of them complaining that u need 3 shots to kill maulers with dbs

I'm just ???

[winter grove]

What

[last parcel]

hey lay off the reddit slander my homies at r/sinkpissers are perfectly normal

[zenith helm]

is volatile with gets hot okay?

[coral willow]

@tall torrent #ogryn-class message

post update

srill reduces reticle

[junior needle]

It most definitely is that

[coral willow]

do they mean 3 ammo cause they miss the meatshot on mauler

[somber axle]

Only if you like charging the weapon. Current meta is just spamming uncharged shots because there are very few circumstances when charged shots are better and like that circumstance is probably so niche it is difficult to pinpoint. It has better cleave than an uncharged shot but a charged shot only does 2.6x damage compared to an uncharged shot and costs 3 times the ammo. So 3 spammed uncharged shots will be more damage

[junior needle]

Short answer is volatile bad

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/chomp-bite-arm-gif-7083692912057941766

[zenith helm]

so gets hot and what else?

what is the second blessing that i should go for?

[junior needle]

glory or blaze

[somber axle]

Glory Hunter for sustain, Blaze Away for Boss DPS (it's not that good at boss DPS anyway though)

[zenith helm]

ty

[somber axle]

You will probably get more use out of Glory Hunter

[bitter turtle]

I think in pugs, practically speaking

[coral willow]

its decent probably idk

[bitter turtle]

Gloryhunter and born leader is better

[faint beacon]

we love Born Leader with anything that generates toughness

[bitter turtle]

You can actually feed a lot of toughness with glory

[somber axle]

Blaze Away doesn't help hit any breakpoints according to Numbers Cat with his set up so it's just for additional damage on bosses when firing lots of uncharged shots at them

[last parcel]

that’s why i run manstopper o4b born leader

[coral willow]

i assume its for the non-farmed plasmas

[zenith helm]

it is the plasma gun meta atm right?

ive never even used one yet

[somber axle]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

Zarona Revolver/plasma/ciag are the best 3 guns

In that order imo

[coral willow]

path's plasma has very specific breakpoints to reach

[fleet thicket]

how good is recons boss damage?

[somber axle]

Meta weapons are Plasma, Zarona Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun

[zenith helm]

what zarona blessings?

[bitter turtle]

Not very notable

[fleet thicket]

ehhh

[zenith helm]

ive been using the columnus and agrapina and kantrael

shotty

[bitter turtle]

You're not topping any boss dps charts with it

[somber axle]

It's ok and Azrael mentioned before they have a talent tree that kills bosses in 5-10 seconds of fire from their Recon

[fleet thicket]

god then running it with shock maul not a good idea

[somber axle]

Azrael also said they used Shock Maul with their Recon too

[coral willow]

#veteran-class message

wonder if i should swap to ciag

[somber axle]

This hurts me to look at

[zenith helm]

this good?

[bitter turtle]

0/4

No

[iron marten]

This is the best talent tree I have ever seen. I can't compete

[coral willow]

so wcavanger stacks with survivalist

[fleet thicket]

i see okay

tbf my recon is a dum dum recon XD

[coral willow]

which is why i tried that build

[zenith helm]

blessings to use with zarona?

[coral willow]

you do get like double ammo

but idk if its worth it lol

[somber axle]

#veteran-class message

And the build he was talking about

[coral willow]

also requires a surv vet on the team which isnt common after the nerf lol

[iron marten]

The days when vets are 95% guaranteed to run survivalist aura

I almost miss it

[coral willow]

kek

anyhoo the gang gets 1.75% since scavanger and survivalist stack

not survivalist and survivalist

nor scavanger and scavanger

[slow spade]

Removed :c

No more combo

I miss when Bots were good

[junior needle]

Probably temp buff abuse

Like with the agri revolver video

[coral willow]

no its still in the game

[iron marten]

I want them to unnerf Survivalist so I could run the way I used to with a bolter, pre-patch 13 lol

[coral willow]

i get 8 ammo per pop in my agri brauto

[drowsy jolt]

Same.

[fiery wave]

Remove it from the game

[winter grove]

This is no doubt the best build posted here

[iron marten]

Psword + Bolter pre-patch 13 and delete everything from the game

[fiery wave]

Enforce ammo conservation

[iron marten]

twas a ride

[somber axle]

Their build does use For the Emperor, Marksman and Close Quarters Kill Zone with Voice of Command so yeah

[bitter turtle]

The things ppl do to cope with surv nerf

[coral willow]

kek

[drowsy jolt]

Yea, buff shooters so you can enforce ammo conservation 😂

[iron marten]

I run knife + helbore now, it's fun having infinite ammo in other ways

[faint beacon]

I do not wish to see the era of where it was nothing but Zarona and Plasma users with every single vet running Surv

I like this new era

[iron marten]

hey now, I was a vet with a laspistol during those times!

[faint beacon]

evil build for evil people

[coral willow]

its for ammo regrn stacking

[winter grove]

Do mg4 lasgun :)

[sacred spire]

what was the surv nerf also hello new here

[coral willow]

still not sure on what weapons to use tho

[last parcel]

5s cooldown

general kenobi

[fiery wave]

Just dodge more

[faint beacon]

it used to never have a cooldown!

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

[iron marten]

I mainly run Ia if I do ILG. Idk, the Helbore bayonet is too funny to me, despite its nerfs

[drowsy jolt]

Bruh you're on a veteran class here, not zealot class.

[sacred spire]

lol

[tall torrent]

it's not that good

[winter grove]

The other two ilasguns are fun to use too

[fiery wave]

Conversely, nuking ammo pools would also fix it

[winter grove]

Mg12 is finally my beloved "click heads" gun thanks to numbers cat

[tall torrent]

not "my plasma", it's "plasma in general have very specific breakpoints and blaze away doesn't help much"

[drowsy jolt]

Let's delete veteran alltogether and have no guns in a W40K game.

[coral willow]

idk if its wosre than trying to fold shovel the thing tbh.

[tall torrent]

blame fatshark for making plasma need 78%+ dmg & SP for breakpoints

[iron marten]

I'll give them a gander after I escape from the clutches of tarkov

[faint beacon]

delete veteran and make it the heretic class where you actively sabotage your team

[tall torrent]

after itemization update tho it'll be a lot better

rn it's cancer

[winter grove]

After you escape from tarkov*

[drowsy jolt]

Because you are ranged focused and have no ammo 24/7

😂

[tall torrent]

neither is particularly good at boss dmg, and wasting plasma ammo on boss just isn't worth

[faint beacon]

you also get suppressed 24/7

[coral willow]

i guess

[iron marten]

I don't know if I want to escape it! Doing raids, surviving, selling shit, upgrade your guns/hideout, is a high I never thought I wanted!

[coral willow]

depressed 24/7

[drowsy jolt]

You can also not have a melee weapon too.

[faint beacon]

Fuck you suffer the class

[coral willow]

zealot with gun viable when

[drowsy jolt]

1 month back

[winter grove]

Zealot can make brautos work

[warped gazelle]

Hey uh I need help what is the best auto gun the continues fires bullets

[bitter turtle]

Practically speaking at that point u should just help clear chaff and specialists lol

[coral willow]

idk if id call fotf viable idk kek

vrauto still works imho

[coral willow]

fair point

[fiery wave]

just stop talking

[frank ether]

what were the meta blessings for plasma again

[coral willow]

me doing nothing as a single plague ogryn getting decimated

[fiery wave]

filtered by zealot

[winter grove]

Gets hot

[coral willow]

dont be coy, ask

[frank ether]

need to help a friend but I dont play plas

[bitter turtle]

Gets hot + glory/blaze

[frank ether]

thank you

[uncut pebble]

Gloryhunter is great for being a toughness battery.

[warped gazelle]

Yo any idea

[coral willow]

gloryhunter is great in general imho

[tall torrent]

78%+ in DMG & SP, 60%+ ammo, 69%+ thermal resist, elite dmg perk, flak dmg perk, gets hot + gloryhunter/blaze away

[warped gazelle]

Autoguns anyone

[tall torrent]

everything below this is suboptimal

blame fatshark for making this gun need 78+ dmg & SP

[coral willow]

@tall torrent any bolter guides

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

yea u put all 30 points on left & middle of talent tree

[uncut pebble]

Columnus infantry autogun.

[coral willow]

just doing dumb exec stance with it is funny

[warped gazelle]

Tried it

Goes up when I fires

[coral willow]

does rending help the gun lol i use pinning fire with surgical

[uncut pebble]

Pull down on your mouse, then.

[tall torrent]

then u cope with the fact that even with all that point cost u prob should have picked up a vraks 7

[warped gazelle]

I do that same things

[uncut pebble]

If you don't like recoil, maybe try with the agripinaa?

[frank ether]

thats perfect thank you

[warped gazelle]

Also Xbox

[coral willow]

idk

i actually like it over vraks

[uncut pebble]

Maybe also play around with the headhunter models.

Big thing here is finding something you're comfortable with.

[winter grove]

I don't have that and I hit breakpoints

[warped gazelle]

Would deadly assassin work on it

[warped gazelle]

Funny I go the perfect perk on one but it is single shot only lol

[frank ether]

bolter is probably still better on a zealot if you want to use it for hipfire stuff

[tall torrent]

if u don't have those, u need a bit extra +dmg talents to hit breakpoint

[winter grove]

Ohhhh

[last parcel]

understood

[tall torrent]

most likely longshot

[winter grove]

Nah

It hits point blank too

[tall torrent]

what's ur build

[uncut pebble]

No keystone chad right there.

[tall torrent]

and plasma roll

if urs is smth like 80 dmg 77 SP it's prob still fine lol

[bitter turtle]

Wow not taking shocktrooper?

Dropped

Unsubbed

[winter grove]

Build I'll grab rn

[bitter turtle]

Reported

[winter grove]

But plasma I ain't got on hand

[uncut pebble]

That's the point of a headhunter autogun. It's not automatic for a reason. You're meant to use it like a marksman rifle.

[winter grove]

Stole talents from this one
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[uncut pebble]

Shocktrooper is good until you want to not use a laser weapon.

[tall torrent]

that
that has longshot
and 8 stacks

[warped gazelle]

Tried that

[coral willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257217231113158738/image.png?ex=66844309&is=6682f189&hm=df4ec0dc4fcd462807ca1575e609c1024d3a4c7860b05203bd5443a84c2b3ba6&

[bitter turtle]

That's my point

[winter grove]

I tested it without stacks and longshot

[uncut pebble]

It would be really nice if you didn't have to use a laser weapon for it, though.

[bitter turtle]

Why no shocktrooper on bolter build

[coral willow]

eh

[tall torrent]

if u tag u still get the breakpoint

[uncut pebble]

Vets wouldn't suffer on no ammo pickup missions that badly with that.

[winter grove]

I didn't tag

[tall torrent]

which enemies did u test

dreg gunner & flamer?

[winter grove]

Every elite special

Including crusher 3 shot bp

[marble mantle]

Chain sword or axe?

[winter grove]

Yes it does it without longshot and tags

[tall torrent]

show me ur plasma when u can

[winter grove]

Bet

[marble mantle]

Cuz I wanna get one of em

[frank ether]

use melee

[somber axle]

Vraks Mk VII has no cleave though. Plus can you really quantify the satisfaction of going full auto magdumping a Boltgun into a Burgle back, Plogryn head or Chaos Spawn face? The booms are so fun even if the damage is in a weird place (plus it still 1 taps specials/elites and 2 taps Crushers with my set up iirc)

[coral willow]

exec bolter dumped like half of DH

we killed it while he was being absorbed so free rev

[somber axle]

Also don't forget

Boltgun is one of the few Vet weapons that can quickly and easily open a Bulwark shield outside of Agripina Shotgun

[tall torrent]

yea it's fun
vraks 7 still outperforms it in functionality most of the time with less point cost

[somber axle]

Pop Exe Stance and hip fire a 2 shot burst into a Bulwark shield for instant stagger

Vraks Mk VII has to wait for the Bulwark to swing

[tall torrent]

yea no we don't rly count boltgun bulwark open now, it's just not worth

[somber axle]

Boltgun opens the door by kicking it down

[frank ether]

boltgun needs deadshot build

[somber axle]

They buffed the ammo iirc

It's more worth now than it was before

[tall torrent]

yea, still not worth

[frank ether]

the buff is not gonna fix the magdump build for veteran

nothing will

[tall torrent]

5~6 shots to open 1, not worth

[frank ether]

you're not a zealot you don't get crit chance for existing

as long as you need to ADS for crits you will want the deadshot build on bolter

[somber axle]

It's only 2 shots with Exe Stance. And technically if you get a combat stim and hit Exe Stance you can pop them in 1 shot (even if that's a really dumb impact breakpoint reliant on stim LMFAO)

Other guns can't do that other than Agripina Shotgun

[coral willow]

ag shotgun is dumb on stagger so not suprised

[tall torrent]

2 shots to open, then 3HS to kill
against 2~3 bulwarks (happens often) it's just not really worth

[somber axle]

I love this meme every time it comes up

[tall torrent]

rashad kills bulwarks in 2 overheads and u could just walk up to them and press VoC

[somber axle]

If you're left tree Exe Stance you can probably 1 shot the Bulwark with Unyielding perk

[coral willow]

voc doesnt open them up usually dont it?

[somber axle]

3 ammo to safely open and kill a Bulwark doesn't sound bad tbh

Especially with ammo refund from Surv Aura turning that into ... 2? Or 1 ammo spent? I forgor

[tall torrent]

compared to not using ammo and opening all bulwarks in front at the same time, it is not worth

[bitter turtle]

depends on proximity i believe

[somber axle]

Name a gun that can open them all simultaneously though

[last parcel]

enemy ac130 above

[warped gazelle]

It is the infantry auto gun I think I have it I will need to check

[tall torrent]

that's the thing, most guns don't need to take exe stance and VoC just does it for u

[coral willow]

thought it was just when bulwark does its attack anim(doesnt have to be right on target even) to stun jt, hm

[warped gazelle]

Indeed then I can change it to full auto right ?

[somber axle]

Yeah but then you have to run Voice of Command

[austere mica]

The funny part is they are the same caliber (disreguarding the fact the ballistics are totally different)

[tall torrent]

yea, what's the problem

[frank ether]

there is no full auto

[warped gazelle]

Oh

Great

[tall torrent]

not having to play with exe stance and pick the 2 bad pathing talents?

[frank ether]

vraks 7 is semi only

[coral willow]

p sure bolter is 20mm and slugs 12g are 18mm?

[tall torrent]

yea that's a huge W

[austere mica]

Its somewhere around .75 for both

[frank ether]

and vraks 3 is burst

[somber axle]

It's boring for clowns. Unironically the strongest Vet ability in the game needing some balance tuning to bring it in line with the other abilities. But also an incredibly boring ability

[bitter turtle]

it can be full auto if you use full auto mod ^:)^

[tall torrent]

u might as well infil low profile and stab every bulwark from the back

[coral willow]

12g is .725, hm

very close

[somber axle]

I kinda do sometimes but that depends on what loadout I'm using

[tall torrent]

boltgun open bulwark just isn't a point worth considering rn

[somber axle]

My strategy vs Bulwarks changes depending on my loadout

[tall torrent]

there's usually 1 strategy, bait for overhead then kill in 2~3 hits

that works irrespective of ability & build

[austere mica]

You could probably fill a bolter mag with lightly modified 12g shells and it would just work

[tall torrent]

u don't need a boltgun to do that

[coral willow]

i like the damage up node in that tree and overwatch too

its expensive tho

[somber axle]

I disagree because shield staggering a Bulwark in the middle of a Crusher or Mauler pack can free up shots onto the Crushers or Maulers. Plus it makes it really convenient for dealing with Bulwarks at range before they close the distance to reach the squad

Like if you can safely kill a threat before it engages the team that always feels worth imo

[tall torrent]

surprise attack is a meat grinder talent

[coral willow]

i use it

did like ince of killing 6 rangers with ps3 heavy with BM, so ill probably still use it
its funny

[tall torrent]

yea I sorta expected that from someone who purposefully skips iron will whenever possible

[coral willow]

more damage yay

[frank ether]

why would you ever skip iron will on an infiltrate build

[somber axle]

One day you will meet someone who skips Iron Will AND grenade regen

[coral willow]

i dont

[tall torrent]

one day u'll do it

[coral willow]

for infil i think i use both toughness damage resis nodes

[torn gorge]

hey thats legit as strat

[last parcel]

i ran this for a few days
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4169cb-12f2-44c5-af41-0f4371536164/god-tier-vet

[bitter turtle]

opens shield up to like 6m, i did it at 5 here but it kept working up to 6

[narrow frost]

the pic 😢

[bitter turtle]

at 7-9 it does a hard knockdown

[somber axle]

I am at work and had to check my back for if anyone saw that

[coral willow]

so

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[coral willow]

you need to get further?

thats neat

[bitter turtle]

i mean

opening up the shield is fine too

honestly

the knockdown is more annoying

[frank ether]

lmao

[coral willow]

ye its fine

[bitter turtle]

it covers their body form the front

[coral willow]

idk why my bulwarks are wack

[bitter turtle]

if u notice

[faint beacon]

Exactly how I feel whenever I see that pop up when im at work

my god I fear the day someone sees that

[somber axle]

On the bright side I am at lunch break so it is helping me destroy my appetite to stay strong to my diet LOL

[coral willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257217231113158738/image.png?ex=66844309&is=6682f189&hm=df4ec0dc4fcd462807ca1575e609c1024d3a4c7860b05203bd5443a84c2b3ba6&

[coral willow]

so what would be the optimal weapon to use on this

[somber axle]

I'm skipping my work buffet and doing just water + coffee and gym time during my break now

[winter grove]

Mg1a

[bitter turtle]

i mean im being stupid here

[winter grove]

[bitter turtle]

on purpose

but

you get the point right?

the knockdown still covers their body so the closer stun is actually better

[somber axle]

I need to look good for the Vegas vacation my S.O. and I are going on in a month

[bitter turtle]

in terms of killing at least

[coral willow]

ye

[bitter turtle]

the knockdown is nice to just stall them though

which works out well ig

the further ones away you stall, the closer ones you kill

[somber axle]

Also have a friend visiting Vegas from Texas and I am taking her to Thunder Down Under

[winter grove]

Any thoughts on blue vraks?

[bitter turtle]

vraks3?

its good

you play it like an iag more though

[coral willow]

discount IAG

[last parcel]

works best when you have fortunate son as background music

[winter grove]

And recon sights too I wonder?

[last parcel]

yep

[faint beacon]

Sitting here torn on if I should play more Darktide or actually play Battlefield 1 again seeing its been a minute

[bitter turtle]

Darkfield

Battletide

[last parcel]

shroundfield

🤔

[bitter turtle]

Darkbattletidefield

[coral willow]

darktide but its 64 players trying to shank eachother

[somber axle]

Darktide PvP mode please

Let me play Trapper

I will hunt you all

[coral willow]

also

auraless build works better on zealot

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/flushed-gif-23088083

[coral willow]

except it serves no purpose when zealot has 2 upgrade aura from base lol

[mortal horizon]

did the powersword 6 push atk poke get nerfed? i haven tplayed in a while didn't feel as strong

[coral willow]

which dont stack

[winter grove]

Snipers

[faint beacon]

Yeah okay bud, "EAT IT! EAAAAAAT IIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT!!!!!"

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-enter-the-fist-net-fish-trap-gif-12105276

[coral willow]

damn

cod sniper build

[last parcel]

bro got quickscoped

[coral willow]

does a 180 noscope

[slow sky]

be trapper
shoot to the side of a player
hope they instinctively dodged in the direction you were aiming
profit

[winter grove]

Anyways do you really think darktide could have a versus mode considering how it's even more unbalanced for pvp

[livid fractal]

what are some good guns on vet rn? just lookin for somethin simple and crispy

[quick burrow]

Ciag mk5

Revolver mk2 recon las plasma

[livid fractal]

worth nabbing for deadly?

wait accatran las is good rn?

[quick burrow]

They buffed it sneaky cat taught me it's ways

I'm having a blast it's a less DMG ciag with almost unlimited ammo

[livid fractal]

I mostly just want something I can pop heads with

whats Ciag

Columnus Infantry AutoGun

got it

[quick burrow]

Colum infantry autogun mk5

Yeah

[livid fractal]

tbf im thinking i might just do a vraaks build

i always loved vraaks headhunters

being able to just pop heads with em

[quick burrow]

Do what u love

[winter grove]

Just do simple lasguns if you want

[livid fractal]

alr got this too

[winter grove]

Unless you can't hit heads

[livid fractal]

Im really good at hitting heads when im not getting 15fps

idk why darktide has been brutalizing my pc after this update

[faint beacon]

Be Scab Gunner, Never. Stop. Firing.

[winter grove]

Just do Infantry lasguns then

They're simple

Click heads

[livid fractal]

yeah im split between kantrael kantrael las and 1 shot vraaks

also should i pick up that vraaks i saw for deadly III?

[winter grove]

Why not

Steal the DA

[lucid hinge]

las is fun but MAN the hit reg on lasguns is sometimes horrendous

[slow sky]

but you cant move as a scab gunner

[winter grove]

Okay true

[slow sky]

as of the latest patch
reapers can

[rigid pilot]

Bastion main

[faint beacon]

Any Deadly Accurate is good to have

3 or 4

you should grab it

[livid fractal]

MCSCUSE ME

worth a nab?

[winter grove]

Sure

7a is really good recon

[faint beacon]

yeah thats really good

[livid fractal]

which kant patterns are useful r n

[faint beacon]

I just dont recall what you want

on it exactly

or well need on it

[tall torrent]

1a and 4

[faint beacon]

@somber axle I summon you clown

cast judgement upon this weapon

[coral willow]

12 when

[livid fractal]

whats the difference between Ia and IV

[coral willow]

one takes 2 ammo and shoot fater

[livid fractal]

like gameplay wise how would i use each

[coral willow]

and other take 3 ammo and shoot slow

[winter grove]

12 is fun but other two are better

Although I am mg12 main

[livid fractal]

think ill just go for Kant IV

also how do i wanna build Kant

can i do so on a Voice of Command build efficiently

or do i need exe

[last parcel]

yeah it's a good base
you're looking for headhunter/dumdum and flak/maniac
it shoots slower than the others but cleaves through enemies

[winter grove]

I can give you the build I use

[livid fractal]

also hows my lasgun drip

[livid fractal]

fire away

[last parcel]

you look like you'd beat me to death in an alleyway

[coral willow]

lmao

[faint beacon]

Average reject fit, "I'll kill you if you look at me funny"

[livid fractal]

oh shit, would Deadly Accurate + Headhunter be a play

[faint beacon]

Yes

thats a god tier for any Vraks that isn't uh

[tall torrent]

Yes

[livid fractal]

i tend to try to keep my vet more modest looking

[faint beacon]

7?

7 is the semi right?

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + ghost

[livid fractal]

this is my commisar drip

[tall torrent]

DA is not nearly as good as Ghost for infantry Lasguns

[last parcel]

Issues fou

[lucid hinge]

professional crack addict fit

[livid fractal]

aight so headhunter ghost, got it

[faint beacon]

I use this 24/7 lmao

[winter grove]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6092fd-bfd0-4650-b999-8dcc45492929/lasgun-5

[livid fractal]

what

[faint beacon]

I realized we were talking about ILG's

[livid fractal]

uncanny strike + lacerate

motherfucker what

[faint beacon]

not my beloved HHA's

[winter grove]

I don't use knife

[faint beacon]

I love knives!

[coral willow]

ghost?

[winter grove]

Ketejok made a dedicated build for lasguns

[livid fractal]

L Frag Grenade

[winter grove]

Frags are good wdym

[coral willow]

me when armageddon actually has hoses on gasmasks

[livid fractal]

but also wtf is this

i want to know

what is the purpose

[frank basin]

Oh look two dragon

[coral willow]

korean

[winter grove]

Ask ketejok

[livid fractal]

of having contradictory perks

[frank basin]

Gale and rok

Two dragon

[faint beacon]

Armageddon got me fucked up

Shark

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-yakuza-tiger-drop-dragon-engine-gif-7983198472962392380

[livid fractal]

also no keystone??

[faint beacon]

I am a shark

[winter grove]

Yeah?

[coral willow]

best recommended for korean communities

[frank basin]

Water dragon

[coral willow]

its a decent shit but why on vet

[livid fractal]

Also imma be honest im looking at this build and wondering

wtf

no keystone, no shock trooper

[winter grove]

Ignore the knife

[faint beacon]

Dead serious with you, Lacerate is ass

[winter grove]

The talent picks are good

[sullen scarab]

What Perks/Blessings should you run in the MKVII folding shovel?

[frank basin]

Run chainsword for funsword

[faint beacon]

dont even acknoweldge it's existence

[sullen scarab]

Thrust/Uncanny strike?

[coral willow]

its good

[tall torrent]

Tbh even for headhunter autoguns I think ghost is at least on the same tier as DA
DA helps v3 take like 1 less burst vs reaper, it’s not nearly as impactful as tanking an entire room of post-buff shooters

[winter grove]

Yes I do that

[livid fractal]

ok but no shock trooper????

on lasgun??

[frank basin]

I would use lacerate on zealot for cdr

[winter grove]

Why would you need shocktrooper on ilasguns

[faint beacon]

Im more of a DA + HH or Surgical + DA with my HHA's

I like killing shit by clicking on their heads

but Ghost is good

seeing it lets you get out of sticky situations

[frank basin]

Can you click +50 heretic group?

[faint beacon]

yes

[frank basin]

While they run toward you

[faint beacon]

Yes

Aim head level

[frank basin]

And you only have 20 rounds

[coral willow]

how do you use ghost sometimes i miss my shots and im ded lol

[faint beacon]

Swap to melee

[winter grove]

Click heads :)

[livid fractal]

if anything I'd drop this node for either shocktroop or determined

[molten hound]

what do you guys think

[coral willow]

[faint beacon]

POINT AND CLICK ADVENTURE!

[frank basin]

Good luck with that, there’s more shooters +20 scatter cross map

[winter grove]

I mean go for it

[frank basin]

And you deal chaff melee

[winter grove]

But shocktrooper is unnecessary

[faint beacon]

if you're rolling high crits do Shock

cause then your ammo econ will be far better

if not just do Determined

[livid fractal]

I was gonna run headhunter + ghost

[faint beacon]

makes it easier to shoot cause the recoil wont kick you in your knees

[winter grove]

It's a build that allows Mg1a and Mg12 to hit all the talents for weakspot bps

[faint beacon]

Hmmm

[frank basin]

I use mg4 with auto fire mod on

:))

[winter grove]

I can vouch for MG12

It does hit all gunner and special oneshot bps

[frank basin]

I hip fire mg4 full auto mod

[winter grove]

With opening salvo

[lucid hinge]

mg12 is fun but it is overshadowed by the other two

[frank basin]

Columnus IAG?

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-high-five-high-five-gif-gif-11749178764953808365

[frank basin]

And plasma

[tall torrent]

show ur whole tree

[coral willow]

on zealot?

i'd actually use it

[tall torrent]

no

[coral willow]

fuck

[winter grove]

Opening salvo + Ghost and suddenly MG12 becomes a useful niche

[coral willow]

whats a zealot gun that can do this

[lucid hinge]

zarona

probably

[winter grove]

Brauto if I had to guess

[tall torrent]

zarona

[molten hound]

yo for point blank does that mean i get the buff if i kill something with my melee weapon

[lucid hinge]

since it can do anything

[winter grove]

Or zarona

[molten hound]

or do i have to kill something with the bash attack

[somber axle]

Weird question: are Imperial Guard Regiments known for using autoguns instead of Lasguns?

[winter grove]

No

[somber axle]

Feels like all the major guard regiments use Lasguns

[faint beacon]

yes and no its

heavily based on where they are from

[uncut pebble]

Yes, that's the intended use of the blessing.

[molten hound]

ok

ok good

[last parcel]

this is no longer case after the patch

[somber axle]

The most I can think of is that occasionally I see art of Catachan Jungle Fighters using autoguns

[molten hound]

ive been wrong about these sort of things in the past

[faint beacon]

Standard issue and extremely easy to make is why

[winter grove]

Most use lasguns because they're lorewise cheaper and more powerful

[frank basin]

But gameplay table top is poop

[uncut pebble]

Tbh, I think point blank would be better if it gave crit chance on bashes, not just kills.

[somber axle]

Yeah it makes sense. I was curious if any of the well known elite regiments used autoguns instead though

[faint beacon]

Armageddon Steel Legion you can see them with the mix of Auto's, Lasguns, various other things

cause they produce weapons

[uncut pebble]

I mean, on the bolt pistol, you literally hit the bad guy with the end of the barrel.

[tall torrent]

None afaik

[uncut pebble]

Would make perfect sense to have point blank proc on that.

[coral willow]

does zarona have ghost

[faint beacon]

Elite as in the worlds Scions right?

[frank basin]

No

[winter grove]

Don't

[tall torrent]

Ofc not

[faint beacon]

cause technically they all have Scion squads, "Technically"

they usually use Plasma however

[frank basin]

Wtf plasma revolver

[winter grove]

Armageddon gets flamers

[frank basin]

That just shooting a casing of plasma

[molten hound]

dude the bolt pistol is awesome for weapon spec builds

[uncut pebble]

Any "elite" units in the guard use plasma or a special variation of lasgun like a hotshot or hellgun.

[tall torrent]

They’re not exactly scions, just estimated to be scion equivalent

They have different training methods & such

[faint beacon]

One of many of their elite troops, Armageddon has so much shit dude its crazy

[coral willow]

autoguns were thrown out of favor for lasguns cause uhh munitorum issues p sure
better to send a few batteries that recharge by itself than fuckton of ammo that can get lost readily

[frank basin]

I looked up the archive lexium there bolt revolver too.

[lucid hinge]

autoguns are usually given to pdf iirc since they're cheaper, penal regiments get autos as well

[frank basin]

Now plasma revolver just sound crazy

But absurd

[uncut pebble]

Logisitically, lasguns are significantly easier to manage. That's why autoguns were phased out.

[coral willow]

bolt shotgun for votanns

[uncut pebble]

That isn't to say that lasguns are better at killing things... only that they're easier to handle.

[frank basin]

It shoot mini scatter rocket?

[coral willow]

dont ask how the fuck it works, its gw

[faint beacon]

let a lasgun pack sit out in the light for bit and you get your ammo back its

[coral willow]

it looks like a revolver too

[faint beacon]

pathetically easy to maintain ammo lmao

[frank basin]

Lasgun are same like blaster from Star Wars

[uncut pebble]

No.

Blasters from star wars are not lasers.

[tall torrent]

Not exactly

[uncut pebble]

They aren't energy based.

They're gas based.

[coral willow]

it denies any sort of 2nd law of thermodynamics, lasgun is probably what i wanna use if i get thrown into a survival situation lol

[coral willow]

its gas?

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[coral willow]

huh

[uncut pebble]

That's how they justify different colored lasers, at least.

[coral willow]

pew

[lucid hinge]

tibanna my beloved

[coral willow]

guess it makes sense it doesnt travel at the speed of light

[somber axle]

I thought any of the named Regiments we see in lore are the "elite" compared to the unnamed regiments. Death Korps of Krieg, Cadian Kasrkins, Catachan Jungle Fighters, etc. if they get a special mention they're above the rank and file yeah?

[uncut pebble]

Iirc, red lasers are the weakest, green lasers are the strongest, and blue lasers are somewhere in between.

[frank basin]

What with they insert color gem crystal in blaster?

[uncut pebble]

No, the color is just derived from what type of gas it uses.

It's like how burning copper produces a blue flame.

[somber axle]

I guess Krieg Grenadiers are their Elite though

[frank basin]

Solidly gas?

Like those color are not crystal gen?

[coral willow]

logistics prefer lasguns usually p sure. you still see in autoguns since they are easy to produce but usually in PDF(where they never lesve planets) n stuff

[frank basin]

But solidly gas

[uncut pebble]

No, blasters do not use cipher crystals, if that's what you're asking.

That's a lightsaber only thing.

[coral willow]

i think like there is 1 instance of a lightsaber that acts as a blaster also, which has like shit destruction for some reason

[uncut pebble]

Yes, Ezra from rebels had a combo lightsaber blaster.

[lucid hinge]

red is cheap and less reliable, Green is high powered, and blue is more effective against machinery/droids

[uncut pebble]

It was quite effective but you couldn't use both the saber and the blaster at the same time.

[tall torrent]

They’re not the “elite”

The elite would be Kasrkin to Cadian shock troopers, or Grenadiers to Death Korps of Krieg

[faint beacon]

Basically Cadia, Amrageddon, Catachan, All those are named cause of their well adapted and trained specialties but you can stack on even more shit with what was mentioned

[frank basin]

What was the gun that vaporized matter in Star Wars used by boba fett?

[uncut pebble]

Cycler rifles.

[tall torrent]

One of the most recent cosmetic rotations had Kasrkin armor for veteran, which is stated to be carapace armor

[faint beacon]

Shock Troops of Armageddon are the "Elite" of the Steel Legion

[uncut pebble]

And cycler rifles are banned in the star wars universe because they're basically a necron gauss rifle.

They don't kill you by punching a hole in you, they kill you by atomizing you.

[coral willow]

damn

[tall torrent]

Usually the elite part of a militarum regiment gets kitted in carapace armor, hotshot lasguns & plasma weapons

Better armor, better equipment, better training

[coral willow]

i dont think krieg grenedier gets a carapace

[uncut pebble]

Cycler rifles also use some weird form of ammunition that's like a rolling block cartridge you see in a martini-henry rifle, but it's a green laser based projectile.

Not exactly sure how they work...

[faint beacon]

@somber axle Think of them like a.... Delta force I could say for IRL compared to the regular named regiments

[lucid hinge]

cyclers shoot physical projectiles, the weapon you're thinking of are disruptor rifles

[celest rock]

VERY elite. Like Kasrkin, Storm Troopers, certain Cadian regiments

[faint beacon]

they may be normal humans but they get shit done

[coral willow]

i mean technically all the regiments we see are elites compared to pdfs

[uncut pebble]

My mistake.

[lucid hinge]

[celest rock]

Catachans barely wear any armor

[small loom]

Fixable or blessing food?

[coral willow]

and even in those regiments there are elites that acts as special forces

[celest rock]

Its a liability where they fight

[coral willow]

first target is oof

[lucid hinge]

I mean it's usable but man

[uncut pebble]

I'd say fixable but first target is a big ouch.

[tall torrent]

Being a member of an elite militarum regiment is basically the strongest u can get as a normal human (no mutation, no gene augmentation, no warp powers)

[lucid hinge]

personally I would eat BM4

[tall torrent]

Which is sort of around DT veteran’s power level

[uncut pebble]

Feed it to the grinder for bromentum.

[small loom]

just an end of round drop. whats the breakpoint on first target?

[frank basin]

I was suspected that cycler are slug thrower

[celest rock]

We're a part of an inquisitorial retinue

Which means we get all the cool shit

[uncut pebble]

Not necessarily.

[lucid hinge]

fatshark where is my melta

I know you have it