veteran-class

[coral willow]

sunder bromentum > slaughrerer rampage

p sure

[proper delta]

for knife vet do i swap one of these perks out for maniac or unyielding (and if so which) or do i get uncanny strike 4

[bitter turtle]

This is one of the few times the pin is outdated

Don't run maniac

[proper delta]

oh

[bitter turtle]

Stmina to carapace imo but unyielding or flak is good too

[proper delta]

kk ty

[bitter turtle]

Remember you need serrated blade on tree too

Or do a different blessing than mercy killer

[proper delta]

yup got that

going for make every shot count with the bleed knife and the zarona

and then im swapping it with the agrip revolver for funzies

and then if i like it imma grind for a better knife lol

[bitter turtle]

Better knife is just running mk6

[harsh ridge]

man, I got shafted. I just took my new veteran loadout into an Auric mission thinking I was gonna be using the smoke grenades to get some relief from gunners/shooters.. and it was completely dead. almost no enemies whatsoever

[proper delta]

Same blessings / perks? Uncanny/Mercy/Carapace/Unyielding?

[proper delta]

smoke grenades are so goated you don't even need to throw them

[bitter turtle]

Yes but mk6 has the optio for executor

Perks is cara/unyielding/elite/flak, pick 2

[proper delta]

do i want that over mercy killer or uncanny

or is it a sidegrade to mercy

[bitter turtle]

You never drop uncanny

Everything else is just a side grade for 2nd blessing

[proper delta]

kk tyvm

[radiant chasm]

I do not know if vet can reach the chance numbers, but zealot can reach the point with riposte they may not need uncanny because the crit adms are great(tho it’s still a great blessing)

[bitter turtle]

Ok yes I know that's a thing mostly for zealot but if anyone needs to ask for help about knife they should not drop uncanny

[minor jewel]

this is gonna take a while isnt it

[bitter turtle]

Melee kills at 10 stacks counts

[minor jewel]

that makes it easier I guess yeah

[bitter turtle]

Just crouch and melee poxwalker hordes when they happen

[minor jewel]

thanks

[delicate moat]

• gets pinged
• expected a bug fix or something
• "short story"
  

[topaz lance]

Columnus iag
shoot hordes

[frank ocean]

Yeah, also pick the talent that gives you stacks when crouched/crouch walking

[pliant prawn]

bit of a weird question but what ethnicities would best match male veteran voices?

[coral willow]

hi

[delicate moat]

[proper delta]

what makes the mk6 knife better?

[radiant chasm]

Better consistency for veteran, slashing heavies vs mk3 being stuck with lights for multitarget

[faint beacon]

I ask if it’s even remotely worth my time reading

[delicate moat]

depends on if you are into short stories i guess...

[woeful ibex]

Short Story
Mentions Long Las

HMMMMMM

[pliant prawn]

haha

[frank ocean]

No no, it’s actually just a normal lasgun

[slow spade]

They hate us

[woeful ibex]

I don't know at this point

I’m calling it. The Moebian Steel will be used to make meltas and long las

[dim citrus]

Would these blessings work together?

[short wigeon]

they probably could but you're not gonna get a whole lot from it

[slow spade]

Will never understand why people don't put Headhunter on their recons

[faint beacon]

I’ll give it a read when I’m more free, hopefully has subtle hints to possible content in it

[mental cloud]

Yo I’m on the same penance… not a bad idea

[slow spade]

Ah true I forgot the controller aim in this game is "non-ideal"

[proper delta]

no head stickiness?

[odd sparrow]

theres a little

but in general its hard to react to threats like trappers and dogs that can come from any direction

[bronze atlas]

anyone have thoughts on lethal proximity

i have the option to melkbux it at level 4

[odd sparrow]

is that the explosion on miss

[bronze atlas]

is that what near shots means

oh then no

[odd sparrow]

it sucks

[bronze atlas]

i dont plan on missing with the thing lol

[light ridge]

What shotguns (aside from the new one) are considered good?

[bronze atlas]

agri for snipey option and kantrael for fire horde control stuff

puncture seems like a meme too for bolt pistol

3 bleed stacks? at the rate of fire and ammo pool it has?

[slow spade]

I tried to make bodyshot bolt pistol work

[odd sparrow]

puncture is mostly a meme, upside is its easier to reach BPs

[slow spade]

It leaves gunners at like 50 hp

[bronze atlas]

its too finesse based i think you gotta go deadly accurate and probably surgical too

[slow spade]

Indeed but was worth a try

[proper delta]

most people will say Kant is good but I am an Agripinaa truther

[hearty panther]

negative, near shot is a shot within 5m

[odd sparrow]

agri just has a little to low ammo for my taste otherwise its pretty good tho

[slow spade]

The new shotgun has cleave and big damage

I can't use the other shotguns now

[proper delta]

All the shotties have ammo issues I thought

[bronze atlas]

new shotgun is kickback for lil 'uns

guns only have ammo issues if you're using them too much!

[slow spade]

I find the new one technically does but each shot is very efficient due to cleave + usually 1 hit kills

[faint beacon]

Waiting for a slug variant of the shotguns

Or DB

Mb

[proper delta]

They just need to rework Agri to let you multi load slugs with special

[faint beacon]

Look I’d love a glorified rifle with two barrels

[proper delta]

Just let me cook fat shark

[slow spade]

Autocannon c:

[hearty panther]

oh fuck off

of course it does lmao

[lofty citrus]

Headhunter is prett much mandatory, infernus and Dum dum as a 2nd to it, everythign else is mid

[odd sparrow]

oh thats really funny what

[sinful swallow]

Honestly

It staggers a decent AOE

It's fine to roll into it but I wouldn't intentionally slot it on

[slow spade]

If Puncture + Lethal Prox worked, it could be good

It does not

:/

[sinful swallow]

If it worked I'd coom

That's insane horde clear

[bronze atlas]

staggering is pretty low priority for my bolt pistol use generally

[faint beacon]

Exactly how I feel lmao

[bronze atlas]

he was also selling puncture but im not going to lower myself to that level lol

[faint beacon]

I want it to actually synergize with Lethal but no we’re not allowed to have nice things!

[delicate moat]

wait i need to try this before it gets patched

imagine if lethal proximity also worked on assail

[hearty panther]

that should be an assail node

shards that BOOM

[faint beacon]

Honestly I think the idea of assail dealing bleed Is cool just

Why can’t it just be a node

[hearty panther]

i mean assail already does 'enough' damage

[odd sparrow]

oooh no

[real osprey]

I LOVE THIS KARKING THIIING!!!!!!!

[tame lodge]

Assail bleed blaze combo hours

[faint beacon]

The what

[tame lodge]

Apparently Exhilious found some code regarding psykers and "new" mechanics

[faint beacon]

Slightly concerned to what the witches are going to surprise us with

[tame lodge]

We'll see, I'm personally rooting for the DoTs giving DR

That way I can go full tank psyker

Only time will tell though

[tawny badger]

not exploding

[faint beacon]

Damn

That’s

[undone vector]

is this combat blade ass

[faint beacon]

Really fucking good

[plush zephyr]

Anybody have a shotgun build For (make every shot count )achievement?

[wild root]

So when is the LongLas and Hellgun making an appearance?

[pallid jetty]

can you give a link? in pm at least

[marble mantle]

Keep the witch fingers on your weapons so they know what happens if they lose control

[proper delta]

just had to do this with only knife to get make every shot count

[tall torrent]

Can u send what u got to me in dm

[nimble wadi]

Anyone have a good Recon VId lasgun build

[proper delta]

one sec

[proper delta]

your gun perks might be different and you can take any nade and maybe you want the stam regen delay node bottom left instead of 30% weakpoint

you can swap dum dum for infernus but headhunter is best

idk what stats or perks you wanna max on 6

[nimble wadi]

Thanks!!!

[tame lodge]

If it doesn't have Uncanny Strike it is
If it has lacerate it is
Low finesse? It is

[undone vector]

is uncanny strike a blessing?

[proper delta]

np i bullied @somber axle into telling me all this so thank him too

[tame lodge]

Yes, Rending on weakspot hits and since knife wants to hit weakspot, it's a perfect match

[undone vector]

whats rending exactly

[whole moon]

Reduces opponents armour iirc

[nimble wadi]

Hi Kal

[undone vector]

ahhh tyty

[tame lodge]

It's a self buff that allows you dish out more damage basically

It also interacts with bleed but that's another topic

[undone vector]

i was going gun veteran but infiltrate too fun

but the weapon swap gimic seems poop so gonna try mainlyy melee

[proper delta]

Does moving to difficulty 5 give me more dockets or is it still better to grind 4s

[drifting oak]

Pretty sure it's a significant boost to dockets to do the highest diff + modifiers

[proper delta]

Weapon swap is goated

Idk if I’m auric ready yet but I can carry a 4 so why not try 5s

[drifting oak]

honestly the main diff between basic 5 and hi5s

is just that precision weaponry for specials becomes mandatory on the team unless you're an actual psychopath

because of the number of long range specials the game will spawn

so "fun" loadouts like, say, the weapon specialist w/ sawed off suddenly have a very real opportunity cost, you are putting your trust into a solo queue team that someone can nail snipers and the like

[real osprey]

which one do I acquire
I can only afford one of them right now, and both are 370+

they both expire soon...

[drifting oak]

i can't tell what perks/blessings they have

but I'm assuming both are crafting-ready to be exactly what you need, right

[real osprey]

there we go

[drifting oak]

IMO bricked an bricked

save your melkcoin

[real osprey]

aah
alrighty then

[drifting oak]

both only have one (1) good line

so you craft 2 onto it and then they're both still suboptimal

[torpid grotto]

That maul has great stars

Stats

[drifting oak]

a 4/4 weapon with a bad stat roll (but a decent distribution into dumpstats) is way, way, way better than a 380 weapon with only 3/4

[torpid grotto]

Lol bro

People say stuff is bricked too much

[drifting oak]

missing a perk or a blessing hits way harder than a tiny bit of extra % from a stat bar

I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand

would you rather have a tiny extra decimal of damage, generically, or 20-25% against flak/maniac/(target of choice the weapon is specialized against)?

I've seen people be like "i'll use my 380 power sword but I have some useless blessing instead of slaughterer"

Like the power sword only has power cycler on it and then they actively use the sword that has a dead blessing on it "Because the stats are better"

as if the contribution of slaughterer or bromentum is worth less than 5% on a bar

most people won't notice the idfference between a 300 stat weapon with 4/4 and a 380 with 4/4

[still flare]

It's a select few weapons that depend on having only the highest % for certain breakpoints, iirc

blessings>perks>stats imo

[drifting oak]

yeah, and if you don't have 4/4 blessing/perk just stop thinking hard about it

[torpid grotto]

The maul is good id get it

[drifting oak]

but nooooooooooooooo people stroke themselves to "muh 380 weapon"

[drifting oak]

it's garbanzo beans for melkcoin, you can do better

[still flare]

Both of those are servicable, depends on how attached you are to melk coins I guess

[drifting oak]

you can probably craft up a 4/4 maul

just mass craft blues until you get a 2/2 one

[torpid grotto]

Seems like a good deal to me :)

[drifting oak]

This costs almost no plasteel because blues are cheap to make

and that will take you less effort overall than a week's worth of melkcoin

you just have to not use the one mod that everyone uses blindly and then complains they have no ducats

the buy until rating

idiots set it to "throw away everything that's lower than 370" then complain they have no ducats

like bro just mass craft weapons that don't dump damage even if they're only 320

they'll be FINE.

[real osprey]

anyways
how's the autogun? I'm a big fan of it currently because I have surprisingly littlerisk while using it close range

[drifting oak]

agri brauto is great

[real osprey]

I'm a flthy casual so I'm not too sure what I should be changing on it

[drifting oak]

tap fired it CAN kill snipers and the like and it hits like a truck

flakmaniac in perks

blessings... well, those aren't "highest damage" but frankly speaking you don't need them on brauto and the terrifying barrage/hit and run combo is pretty funny for comfort if you're not yet comfortable with holding slides

[real osprey]

doneand done
thanks for the tips

[drifting oak]

in general if you have to ask

"flak maniac"

[torpid grotto]

Damn you made them throw away the unyielding

[drifting oak]

flak because flak bruiser bodies and flak dreg helmets
elite gunner
mauler
flak rager

Maniac because ragers and nearly every special

[real osprey]

aah
ragers always give me a hard time, I heard they even made them faster

[drifting oak]

yeah? compared to either lfak or maniac the maount of time you spend shooting into bulwark flesh is nearly nothing

there's bosses for auric maelstrom Monstrous but beyond that even 25% more boss damage doesn't matter as much as "I killed the enemies that spwaned with the boss, first"

i'd consider unyielding on boltgun, revolver, plasma, but not on brauto

[torpid grotto]

I think bosses spawn on other mods, too

[drifting oak]

uh, power sword

[drifting oak]

i mean yes, but not nearly as often and usually what kills you isn't the boss but the elites/specials that spwaned with the boss

[torpid grotto]

That is certainly a viewpoint

[drifting oak]

you personally getting +25% unyielding on your brauto won't suddenly let you solo kill the boss

[torpid grotto]

Wow

[drifting oak]

contrast 25% unyielding on ogyrn gunlugger (because of the burn damage) or zealot TH

where you can solo kill a boss fast enough that getting 25% more damage on your weapon takes it from "pretty fast" to "REALLY fast"

as opposed to "it's not dead" to "it's still not dead"

[deft ivy]

what to do with this?

[still flare]

Flak+Maniac is just the best coverage for most of the enemies in the game and is a safe bet unless you're going for something specific

[drifting oak]

unyielding+CHC on perks tells me you can salvage it into a funny headhunter+infernus anti-boss recon but mehhhhhhhhhhhh
otherwise you can just slap flak maniac on it and it's okay

or wait no

no headhunter

it's bricked

1/4 weapon, only good line is dumdum, you really want flakmaniac and headhunter

otherwise just make a new one

[umbral scaffold]

What blessings should I be using on shock maul? I have lightning reflexes and high voltage on rn

[mortal horizon]

anyone figured out a way to make bolt pistol good yet?
or is it just kinda not good

[unique orchid]

it's good, but isnt the zarona

s'basically the laspistol but with less ammo, more damage and penetration, and more kick

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol has less penetration

It has 0.001 cleave

[unique orchid]

ah, forgive me

[odd sparrow]

boltpistol feels more like a zarona side grade. higher recoil, slower pull speed, very similar damage but no cleave. added AOE stagger and most importantly of all double the zaronas ammo

[real osprey]

is this a brick

[unique orchid]

the lack of cleave makes sense honestly, it explodes on contact

[odd sparrow]

actually pretty decent. Change infested to maniac

execution to surgical

[real osprey]

alrighty

[odd sparrow]

stats arent ideal but it might still work, id test in the meat grinder for breakpoints

[real osprey]

might keep execution if it works alongside power maul
unless itreally isn't that good or something

[midnight totem]

Augh

[severe gale]

anyone know the talent tree to reach the breaker one shot with the revolver?

[odd sparrow]

breaker?

[severe gale]

sry

breakpoint

[odd sparrow]

which oneshot bp

[severe gale]

crusher

bleh sorry

i was typing fast lmfao

[odd sparrow]

hm so marksman focus, then every other damage increase in the middle tree

also executioners stance

but im not 100% sure its even possible

[severe gale]

you dont need the focus to do it

[severe gale]

#zealot-class message

#zealot-class message

theres also that one

but i really only wanna do the crusher one

he said he doesnt even have +carapace on the revolver

he’s not on rn which is why i ask here

[odd sparrow]

hm not sure the exact build but it doesnt seem to much more intricate than just taking a shit ton of dmg increases

[severe gale]

i tried that n i couldn’t get it

surgical handcannon

hrmrmrm

the revolver is a good roll, so it shouldn’t be an issue

[somber axle]

Focus Target isn't necessary to hit the breakpoint and neither is Marksman's Focus if you have Exe Stance

[severe gale]

yeah i know

that’s what i said

i’m just trying to hit the breakpoint cuz it’d be fun

[somber axle]

I'm testing it in the Psykanium with a Weapon Specialist keystone build and Exe Stance makes hitting the breakpoint much easier but are you trying to hit that breakpoint with Voice of Command or Infiltrate instead?

[shadow dagger]

whats the deal with raking fire

is it ever good enough to use over the other options

id imagine 'from behind' is not nearly as straightforward as hitting them on the back

[tame lodge]

How often do you get "behind" your target?

[shadow dagger]

if its good enough for me to change something as inconsequential as the direction i dodge i think i can do that much

[tame lodge]

And yeah "behind" is forgiving af rn

[drowsy aspen]

GREETINGS VETS - is this worth anything at all?

[somber axle]

After some Psykanium clown science a Voice of Command + Weapon Specialist build is just shy of a 1HKO on Crusher crit headshot (3471 in my case) and you'd probably need Kill Zone but with this talent set up it just doesn't have the points to spare to reach it

And that's WITH the +25% Carapace perk on the weapon

Also using Marksman, Close Quarters Kill Zone and For the Emperor

And popping Voice of Command just before

It's incredibly easy to hit with Exe Stance but becomes out of reach with Voice of Command but I might be missing something in my tree

I tried to test for Voice of Command + Weapon Specialist Keystone

Yeah I have that one

And Superiority Complex elite damage too

It's still just shy

[tribal tangle]

Best Doublebarrel Rolls?

[mortal horizon]

any viablility to a build with Lethal Proximity on the bolt pistol?
I also read a post saying Puncture gives you 1 tap breakpoints on gunners.

Surgical just feels like cosplaying a worse revolver, i hate it. So trying to find something else

[unique orchid]

good with agile engagement as well if you can hit hipfires

[somber axle]

weird how close it is

a perfect 80 damage, 80 crit bonus, 80 pen weapon would hit it, or if unarmoured was elite it could hit it too

but doing it without Cara just puts the breakpoint beyond reach

and the person was asking about how to hit 1KHO Crusher without Focus Target and without Carapace perk

I can swap the point off Longshot to test the rending one sec

That dropped the damage done a bit

[odd sparrow]

dont you have the +10% base dmg when no enemies within 8m

[somber axle]

3382 now

[somber axle]

Yeah I wanted to test with Voice of Command + Weapon Specialist

Exe Stance hits it easily

[mortal horizon]

damn lethal not good? rip.
why play it with surgical + deadly tho over revolver? just feels worse. I was trying to carve out a different niche for it

it can 1 tap a crusher tho rly?

how? (im talking about bolt pistol sorry)

[somber axle]

You can probably hit the 1HKO with Exe Stance without needing Cara either

the only difference for this test is Longshot -> Rending Strikes

I think with a perfect 80/80/80 weapon it could hit the 1HKO breakpoint with Longshot but then you'll miss the breakpoint within 0m-7m

You'd need 10% elite to offset that

Yeah but if I go down left tree how do you afford everything at the bottom you need while still hitting Voice of Command?

I think I'm only missing Longshot, Kill Zone and one of the 5% Ranged Damage nodes

[paper brook]

When are we gonna get to use the Warhammer as a weapon?

[somber axle]

No Carapace perk on Revolver, no Focus Target, still hits 1HKO

but idk what they're asking specifically since it becomes really easy to hit with Exe Stance

So I went to testing it with a Voice of Command build

Ah ok that makes a lot more sense

Exe Stance makes hitting the breakpoint so much easier

Voice of Command makes even attempting 1HKO a much bigger problem

I'm not sure how to change up the tree to get Agile and Voice of Command while still getting the stuff near the bottom but I can maybe lose Superiority Complex?

Lemme test

Yeah Agile Engagement hits the 1HKO breakpoint comfortably

but the build ends up forced into smokes to have enough points to grab everything needed at the bottom too

How do you afford all the talents at the bottom of the tree zig zagging from krak into agile engagement and back into voice of command though?

[torn gorge]

why are you taking marksman anyway

[somber axle]

Or is it still able to hit the 1HKO without Superiority Complex?

[last parcel]

drop duty and honour

[somber axle]

This is purely a Psykanium test to see 1HKO breakpoint on Zarona Revolver with a Weapon Specialist + Voice of Command build

[torn gorge]

can you not hit the 1tap without marksman?

agile engagement should give enough to not rely on that iirc

[somber axle]

No. It goes from 1HKO down to 3083 damage otherwise

I don't think you can hit 1HKO Crusher with this if you drop Marksman even if you have a perfect 80 damage, 80 crit bonus, 80 pen revolver

It's just too good to ignore

Left into Surv Aura? I think I'm misunderstanding

[torn gorge]

you are also technically missing 5% ranged damage in that tree

[somber axle]

Or do you mean Longshot + Exhil? I'm confused LOL

I think my brain is still short circuited from last night. I'm not sure what you mean by 20% damage instead of toughness

[last parcel]

this

[somber axle]

Ah ok Longshot

But then it misses the 1HKO breakpoint within 0m-7m yeah?

[last parcel]

just push them back out of range with voc

[somber axle]

Talent tree like this?

Can't spare the point for Superiority Complex anymore though

[torn gorge]

that defeats the purpose of going down to weapon specialist tbh

if you cant take always prepared

[severe gale]

how?

can u send ur talent tree

with exe stance

[somber axle]

Ok tested with the new talent tree set up and this new Voice of Command tree misses the breakpoint only JUST barely

It's definitely the weapon stats being shy of meeting

[terse idol]

5% rarely actually changes things

[somber axle]

using this tree

[terse idol]

We're talking

About 100 damage off

[somber axle]

16 damage away LMFAO

[terse idol]

[severe gale]

azreal

[somber axle]

Yeah sure I can show. Do you want me to test without Cara as a weapon perk too?

[severe gale]

yeah without cara

cuz azrael did it without cara

n i just wanna remake that

yeah

i was trying to do it

and i was shy by about 700

[somber axle]

I was at work yesterday to midnight, got home to play some games with Gale and WhatTheForecast then went straight to bed after. I only just woke up and noticed someone asking about 1HKO Crusher breakpoint and went into testing

I haven't had time to download mods yet and probably will not today either since I start work again in 1 hour 40 min

I gotta get ready for work but wanted to test this

[severe gale]

how

there’s no way i suck this bad

[somber axle]

I'll do one last test with Exe but swap out my perk to like... idk Unyielding or something just to get rid of Cara

[severe gale]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iblUHol6qfyna5x4s/d1337HpS7x1e?invite=cr-MSw0TmEsMjA0ODY2MDQ3LA

[somber axle]

I'm not sure you can grab Krak, Exe Stance, and Agile Engagement while still affording Marksman, Weapon Specialist, and Bring It Down

Just not affordable

[severe gale]

87 damage off

[somber axle]

the worm zig zags too much

[last parcel]

did you spend 4 points on focus target and then not ping the crusher before shooting

[severe gale]

its possible without focus

yah

despair

despair

despair

this was the best revolver i got after a million dockets

despair

got it to 5 damage off

i give up

i will figure it out

later

blehh

[placid kelp]

how are you guys using the boltgun for auric? Just started playing again yesterday and still haven't quite figured out how to properly use this gun

[somber axle]

Don't give up

Let me show you another way

[slow spade]

God do I need to use my plasma again

I swear every mission has been this

[somber axle]

You have a lot of talent points eaten up in both Exe Stance and Focus Target that you can swap over to hit Weapon Specialist instead if you'd like that keystone for easier reloads

Even if you're not interested in Weapon Specialist you can comfortably switch points off some combo of two of the following: squad highlight, non-elite shooter highlight and 8 stack Focus Target
with those two points you can buy Close Quarters Kill Zone

the damage from CQKZ would definitely push it to the 1HKO

[last parcel]

introduce them to shredder frag grenade

[somber axle]

Oh! I should mention

I did this test without Carapace perk

swapped over Carapace to Unyielding to show the 1HKO is achieveable without it

Precision Strikes and Close Quarters Kill Zone would absolutely net you the 1HKO Crusher breakpoint

[slow spade]

I can only toss 3 :c

[tall torrent]

WIP

[faint beacon]

@somber axle last nights second match

[somber axle]

LMFAO yeah

I swear I turned around for what felt like a SECOND to shoot a burster trying to sneak up behind us

turned back to face the front

suddenly OOPS ALL RAGERS all over the entire team

it was mostly clear when I went to shoot the burster dlfkjasdlf

[faint beacon]

I swear to god that’s how it was for me

I see 2 ragers and go I’ll just stab them

Sudden ragertide

[somber axle]

the game was telling us to go to bed LOL

[last parcel]

[tame lodge]

Tfw darktide has a death stack

[severe gale]

it works!!

thank you

[faint beacon]

My brain was fried and like it seriously was just telling me suffer

[somber axle]

Welcomes! I also just noticed that talent tree is missing the most important part of Weapon Specialist: the auto reload on swap after doing melee kills. Does it still do the 1HKO if you drop Superiority Complex?

[faint beacon]

Also I somehow managed to pocket react things without meaning it fml

[last parcel]

UA

[wild root]

Are there any plans for LongLas or Hotshot/Hellgun?

[faint beacon]

Hello Joe Biden I need 5 billion rockets to bomb Donetsk children

[somber axle]

Could swap Superiority Complex into this if you still meet the 1HKO without the 15% elite damage

[last parcel]

drop relentless

[somber axle]

the funniest way to get the reload

you could also probably drop everything below Desperado and take the 3 points to put them into Focus Target, Target Down and Deadshot if you're a crit fiend like me

but then you have to manually reload the revolver

[gilded rock]

They really should make a dedicated spawn sound effect for when dreg rager hordes show up, like hound howls

[somber axle]

with no reload speed talents

[last parcel]

A A A AAAAAAA AAAAAHM RAGIN

[severe gale]

you can swap out the grenade regen perk too

[gilded rock]

Because a bunch of meth fiends that scream all over the place sneaking up on us seems really dumb

[faint beacon]

I think that’s the whole point of elites they’re supposed to be a surprise

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-gachi-gachi-muchi-herington-billy-herington-gif-21673533

[faint beacon]

To be fair you hear rattling of metal when a huge group of an elite type is patrolling

[somber axle]

That's true too! I ignore grenade regen perk sometimes but I know others tend to see grenade regen as mandatory to pick up on most builds so I try to accomodate it

[faint beacon]

I feel like if you’re running smoke it’s mandatory to do regen

Bonus points for tinkerer

[gilded rock]

Just because like, a group of 12 dreg ragers are an immediate, run-ending threat if they sneak up on you from behind (which they like doing)

[severe gale]

fair, i just wish it had 1 extra perk point, for reload and for human outlines on exe stance

[faint beacon]

They went from oh you can challenge them In melee

To how they were before their fix

Aka be remotely near them at all

Die

Tbf the dreg changes are probably the only thing that irks me about the update

[gilded rock]

Fatshark giveth and Fatshark taketh

For why we will never know

[somber axle]

I love having human outlines on Exe Stance when running my Recon Mk II

[gilded rock]

Because they don't tell us the thought that goes into the changes unlike many other game devs

[somber axle]

makes the uptime on Exe Stance so much easier to maintain during fire fights

just briefly hover cursor over non-elite shooter head and get instant 5 sec duration refresh

[faint beacon]

Colored outline mods making so much easier to run Exe stance

Make all the enemies a bright red when popping it

[somber axle]

and then back to shooting elites/specials

I really want to play one more game but I need to leave for work

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27537976

fight the ragers at work

[tame lodge]

Damn, ragers got hands

[faint beacon]

I kid you not I was about to ask if you were even free cause I just got home and was getting on lmao

Answered my question

[somber axle]

My work schedule is bleh this week

BIIIIIG convention this week to work with and my schedule is wilder than normal because of it

Tuesday I'm going in 3 pm to 11pm, then Wednesday I'm back at 10 am. At least that's enough time to accommodate travel time, sleep and the time I need to get ready for work

But wow no time for anything else after work Tuesday

[faint beacon]

I have 2 days off that are spread apart which is not ideal but I'll take what I can get

usually ideal days off are two in a row so you can actually get rest

[somber axle]

I know how you feel

My days off are Thursday/Saturday

But it kinda works out

Date night Thursday with the S.O., D&D Saturday

[balmy flume]

one of the reasons I stop Dark Tiding for now is to find a S.O…

But that is off topic, so…
How is the new map?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/catnapping-cat-kidnap-cat-steal-that-was-useful-cat-bag-gif-5865080542707714620

[median swift]

is it ok to post weapon stat roll questions in here?

[last parcel]

posting weapons in this server is punishable by summary execution
(yes it's fine)

[pallid jetty]

rannick himself will shoot you

[median swift]

well i mainly only play zealot so ill pray for forgiveness c:

ive never played plasma vet, or hardly much vet since they did the talent trees a while go but is this worth upgrading?

[faint beacon]

Ditto except its usually when im doing shit around the house usually thursday is the actually relax day

[pallid jetty]

id upgrade 1 more time to see the other perk and then think

cause the 1st perk and the blessing are meh

[median swift]

it added 20% sprint efficiency xD

[pallid jetty]

to the trash bin

or surrender to hadron for the blessing

[median swift]

stat wise whats good to have for plasma

[pallid jetty]

stopping power is not very useful

[modern steppe]

cant say ive ever played vet aside from getting him to 30 because why not

any suggestion for a cookie cutter fun build i can run?

[pallid jetty]

stealth vet with smoke and all grenade upgrade perks

[severe gale]

mk13 chainsword with kantreal laspistol and weapon specialist

great melee, good ranged

overall fun

run with krak grenades for crushers

[modern steppe]

any power sword build?..

[winter grove]

High priority are Damage, Stopping Power and Thermal Resist (69%+)

[modern steppe]

or is sword not great after nerfs?

[severe gale]

plasma and power sword with voice of command and focus target

[severe gale]

its still OP

[winter grove]

Psword nerfed?

[severe gale]

dw

[winter grove]

Lmfao

[modern steppe]

also iwould need to see an actual build im not smart enough to craft it just by routing to noteables

[pallid jetty]

its not Path of Exile man...

[winter grove]

Psword doesn't really need an actual build to run

Just like CIAG

You just slap it on anything and it works like a charm

[severe gale]

thats what i run

[last parcel]

[severe gale]

but i havent run it in a while, idk if things were changed or not

[balmy flume]

Ah Voice of Command

Good old reliable

[severe gale]

i think id say that psword is a bit worse if you run weapon specialst, due to needing to activate it

but other than that yeah

[torn gorge]

on the contrary

WS offset power sword lack of mobility

[wet elk]

melk is cooking

kinda

[slow spade]

he's trying

[wary galleon]

hmm not quite sure what they mean with this

[slow spade]

we're killing the Eye of Terror next update

[pallid jetty]

rock to the eye

[winter grove]

"We already had fuckload of traitors for past 10k years please no more"

[tall torrent]

this is not very good

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/dammaz-kron-dwarf-gif-27703552

[bitter turtle]

It's the opposite actually

Psword really likes weapon specialist for patching up it's main weakness

[slow spade]

you can block to near instantly charge up

[bitter turtle]

Wep special also boosts your mobility and it's pretty noticeable on psword

[somber axle]

Power Sword is pretty strong for anti-boss, anti-special, anti-horde but the weakness is the reliance on charged attacks and the low mobility. Some people go Weapon Specialist for the increased dodge distance to offset that somewhat. You can even build a talent tree and Power Sword Mk VI to comfortably kill a Crusher in charge sword -> push attack -> 1-2 light swings. With a good roll sword and specific talents you can even get it down to killing a Crusher in a single push attack (I think that requires Focus Target though? Less familiar with the Power Sword breakpoints since I don't really use it). If you're pairing Power Sword and Plasma for the most Vet standard build possible you will want Focus Target + Redirect Fire. Numbers Cat did a lot of math and worked out how to make Plasma consistently hit the breakpoints it needs using that while running Voice of Command

[slow spade]

Psword Weapon Specialist is probably one of the best melee options

[somber axle]

Your talent build really comes down to what ranged weapon you want to pair with the Power Sword tbh

[slow spade]

sadly the only enemy I can't reliably kill solo is the chaos spawn :c

can't

[austere pine]

psword 6 can kill a crusher with a decent roll without FT. needs a crit tho

[somber axle]

But it's arguably one of the strongest of the melee weapons available to Vet up there with Combat Knife and Rashad Mk II Combat Axe

[austere pine]

on both attacks

[winter grove]

Chaos spawns are just like that

Both here and in VT2

[slow spade]

yeah...

[bitter turtle]

I was about to ask how u can kill a spawn solo and not a plogyrn

[austere pine]

push attack into light kills if both are crit

[somber axle]

1HKO Crusher without FT still sounds nice even with the crit requirement

[slow spade]

:p

[modern steppe]

[slow spade]

Power Sword honestly feels like cheating

but I took WAY TOO LONG to get Power Cycler 4

[austere pine]

powered weak spot crits

[slow spade]

so I'm going to abuse it

[austere pine]

i dont have it yet 😭

[bitter turtle]

I did a 1v2 chaos spawns but it was in psyk

[slow spade]

I wish I got to experience the on-release power sword

[winter grove]

My condolences

[slow spade]

where it got 7 charged attacks with power cycler

[bitter turtle]

It wasn't that bad

Almost did it dmgless under 1 min

[austere pine]

full strength ones?

[tall torrent]

U want to bait their overhead

[slow spade]

yeah chaos spawn is mostly hard if you're in constrainted areas

[bitter turtle]

I choked on the very last few seconds

[somber axle]

I would ping Numbers Cat if I were you if you're interested in trying out his build. It sounds perfect for what you may want

[slow spade]

yes and it also had infinite cleave

[somber axle]

Oh wait he's here

[winter grove]

So like 70% of darktide locations

[slow spade]

yeah for me its that I don't know what's behind me and I dodge into a wall :c

[slow spade]

exactly....

put me in the Barvoss map? ez clap

[bitter turtle]

Psword is rough to solo a spawn admittedly tbh

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat can you share your Plasma/VoC build for Adrian? They're looking for a good set up for Power Sword and it would be a solid ranged weapon/talent tree to give them to play with

[bitter turtle]

That's where you really feel the low mobility

[tall torrent]

Always try to make sure you have space on the right for 1v1 chaos spawn

Because dodge right is more reliable for his grab & overhead

[slow spade]

yeah I always found that weird

the left is unreliable

but right? 100% safe

[bitter turtle]

Cus

You're dodging into the hitbox of the grab if you dodge left

It's like souls games

Always roll into attacks

[slow spade]

:c

[bitter turtle]

Not with them

[somber axle]

Dodging under the arm Matrix style!

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[slow spade]

I've never played a souls game

[bitter turtle]

O

Well think of it this way

He's grabbing to your left

[tall torrent]

@modern steppe https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1251793340500938783/Screenshot_2024-06-16_023601.png?ex=667870a5&is=66771f25&hm=9832e8aeaadc0eb8e90be1bece0e813db974931c7723d2c6e97b2cab3f432e2e&

[bitter turtle]

If you dodge left you're staying in contact with his arm longer

[winter grove]

Dodging into attacks makes you sure you don't get caught at all

[slow spade]

ah ok

[somber axle]

Perfect! Thanks

[bitter turtle]

I'd you dodge into the right, you dodge past the arm

You only are in contact for a moment before you and the arm pass each other

So easier to time the frames

Iframes*

[slow spade]

ah I just figured it was like "an area in front of chaos spawn gets grabbed"

[winter grove]

You also could just try the souls games for the funny

[tall torrent]

Make sure u have space on your right to dodge to and ur mostly gonna be fine

Only bs thing is their grab, sometimes the net code is fked and the game thinks u didn’t dodge in time

[slow spade]

didn't think it tracked the model

[slow spade]

na not into sword and shield kind of games

well turn-based RPGs are fine (god I love BG3)

[slow spade]

yeah the net code is SO MUCH FUN to deal with

[tall torrent]

And u sorta just have to accept that chaos spawn is unpredictable, it’ll spam combo when u want to loop its overhead sometimes

Plague ogryn 1v1 is very consistent in terms of kill time

Chaos spawn varies

[bitter turtle]

well

thats cause plogryns are dumb as fuck

lol

[slow spade]

indeed, I feel bad fighting pogryns

they're just timesinks

[winter grove]

Oh yesh I can reliably 1v1 plague ogryn even without knowing what it can pull off

[tall torrent]

Me when I get 3 chaos spawn combos in a row after I try to bait its overhead loop

[winter grove]

Chaos spawn I just tend to let someone else be a meatshield

[bitter turtle]

you can 1v1 a plogryn against a wall

like literally

[somber axle]

Plogryns are so predictable. They broadcast their strikes well in advance. They're so easy to react to as long as you don't dodge too soon and eat the hit accidentally

[bitter turtle]

if you're trapped

against a wall

with no space to move

[tall torrent]

Watch the vid I sent above

[bitter turtle]

you can still 1v1 it

their moveset is really predictable and mostly shitty

[tall torrent]

This one

[winter grove]

I saw it

[somber axle]

Fighting Burgles 1v1 can suck though LOL

[slow spade]

I swapped to krak grenades on my double barrel build so I can stagger chaos spawn (also fuck bulwarks)

[winter grove]

I know you can 1v1 a chaos spawn reliably

But I choose not to because I have skill issues

[bitter turtle]

tfw you play new map and burgle spawns on the first area if you one way drop down on the right in th e first fork

[winter grove]

So let some ogryn player take the beating while I shoot

[bitter turtle]

i never go to the right anymore bc of that

lol

[slow spade]

yeah, the instant I get clipped by the goo I just run away full sprint

[slow spade]

I shoot every barrel lol

[tall torrent]

Sometimes u can like

[bitter turtle]

no i mean

the interior one way path

[tall torrent]

Purposefully get vomited on

[bitter turtle]

the one way drop down

[somber axle]

Those are the most fun and the most painful experiences

[bitter turtle]

if a burgle spawns

you're fucked

[tall torrent]

So BoN tracks u specifically, making him open to ur teammates’ attacks from the back

[slow spade]

ah yeah that's a deathtrap unless you know no boss will come

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent hey quick question how important is stability on this gun

[tall torrent]

BoN always tracks the player with vomit unless multiple players have vomit on them

[slow spade]

ah I just find the -speed debuff very spooky

[winter grove]

Not at all

[bitter turtle]

stability is pointless

[slow spade]

especially when it starts stacking

[bitter turtle]

for recon

[tall torrent]

Not relevant for recons

[bitter turtle]

however

[fleet thicket]

okay so this is a good one?

[bitter turtle]

change deathspitter to dumdum

[winter grove]

You can just have 0 stability on recons and feel zero difference between 80

[bitter turtle]

yes that is a good one

[fleet thicket]

ehm i got both

[bitter turtle]

but you want dumdum

oh

im fuckin blind

change deathspitter to headhunter then

[somber axle]

Sometimes I purposely edge just a single point of corruption from being vomited on to get aggro and turn the Burgle back to my team to give them pure freedom to engage the weakspot. It's funny treating it like an MMORPG boss because the aggro is so predictable and the movement speed is slow enough that it's easy to stay out of grab and eat range

[tall torrent]

U can dodge the moment the vomit hits u so ur only debuffed 1 stack and still can outrun it if ur far away enough
And you’ll take like what, 4 corruption dmg

Trading 4 corrupted health for big opening to kill BoN asap is worth it imo

[slow spade]

tail swings -> 2 teammates die

[somber axle]

Just like an MMORPG I am not responsible for the DPS standing in fire and dying

LOL

[slow spade]

indeed, I just don't trust myself to not get Fatshark'd trying it

[slow spade]

true

[somber axle]

At least not here where I can't play healer

[tall torrent]

U don’t need to be very close to it, the vomit has pretty far range

[slow spade]

the funny part is I'm pretty sure like 90% of this convo assumes the beginning section of the new map as that's the most bullshit spot for a boss :p

[fleet thicket]

headhunter???

[somber axle]

Toughness Medic builds are funny though

[bitter turtle]

yes

[slow spade]

Headhunter is easily one of the best blessings on Recon

[tall torrent]

Beginning section only sucks if there’s BoN spawn

[bitter turtle]

rising crit chance on headshots

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn & plague ogryn aren’t as bad

[fleet thicket]

i see okay im new to this thing

[slow spade]

when I don't see Headhunter on Recon, I immediately know they're shit

[fleet thicket]

does this thign even have high finnese?

[somber axle]

Do you think they'll ever add a class that can do even a tiny bit of HP restore as a 1 min ability? Or do you think ANY attempt at HP restore would break the game?

[slow spade]

no

[tall torrent]

No

[fleet thicket]

then why not just use death spitter??

[slow spade]

crit stacking on recon is a huge damage and ammo boost

[fleet thicket]

ohhhh

i see

[slow spade]

agreed

[fleet thicket]

you take the las gun thingy?

[tall torrent]

Because headhunter = more crits = more shock trooper proc = more free ammo

[tawny badger]

beast of nurgle when you’re the last guy remaining and that mf eats you

[slow spade]

crit gives rending + damage + shocktrooper value

[tawny badger]

most miserable experience

[winter grove]

Crits are better

[slow spade]

I wish I knew how much rending crit gave though

[austere mica]

Also because of crit chains I think you actually get more damage

[fleet thicket]

is it worth loosing always prepared though for this?

[slow spade]

its obvious that it does but no clue how much :c

[tall torrent]

On a 120~150s cooldown, maybe
But then the question is like
Which class gets it, and what other abilities that class has

[somber axle]

Crit stacking more damage than Deathspitter and Headhunter is a reliable way of forcing crits to proc Shock Trooper. It extends your ammo economy a LOT. Not just for overall ammo spent per kill, but also delays the time between reloads. Headhunter is the best blessing you can get on the Recons for that

[slow spade]

on Recon, yes

[tall torrent]

Idk why you want to play WS with recon

Recon is a pretty heavily left side gun

[slow spade]

the 100% crit buff from Weapon Specialist is only for like 1 shot

really a shame

[fleet thicket]

ehh for my own stuff

its a infiniltrate build

[tall torrent]

Because tbh, I don’t think I’d take a long CD team heal over any of the abilities in this game currently, except exe stance

[fleet thicket]

plus this game is piss easy

anything cna work XD

[slow spade]

especially because VoC and Relic do something similar

[fleet thicket]

wait what about collateral???

IS THAT important?

[tall torrent]

Even relic with the nerfed crit CDR is still more valuable to me than a team wide health recovery

[slow spade]

no, in fact its probably a debuff

[fleet thicket]

on recon

[tall torrent]

Not relevant

[fleet thicket]

thx

[somber axle]

If they ever add the Ratling they could do a bunch of support trees. Sniper would be backline shooter support since the Rejects will not shut up about how good it would be to have a Ratling Sniper. Could also have a "Quartermaster"/Hoarder type talent tree that min-maxes on restoring ammo/HP. Would be extra funny to have the PackRatling with a grenade that can be tossed to allies to restore a small percent of their ammo, and an ability that allows single target healing for a small amount of HP on a long CD

[fleet thicket]

so unironically this is a good recon then even at 357

[tall torrent]

They said no ratlings cuz height balance

[slow spade]

now if its like "take a swig of Amasec for hp, damage, and blurry vision" I'd take it UwU

[somber axle]

It's definitely a fair reason but I want to dream of the memes still

[tall torrent]

And frankly the 1 subclass I rly have an idea for is veteran field engineer

[somber axle]

Maybe Tech Adept former Mechanicus into Penal Legion Reject class

[tall torrent]

AT mines as blitz, deployable barbed wire as ult

[slow spade]

I still remember the reddit post that wanted a fucking Blank as a 5th class

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

Could feasibly do the funny support quartermaster role there too

[tall torrent]

This would go hard

[fleet thicket]

btw what is special about the different marks of recons?

[slow spade]

landmines in horde shooters are surprisingly fun

[torn gorge]

id rather see a more unique class

than a ratling

[fleet thicket]

like is heavy one just more dmaage ?

[torn gorge]

which has already overlapping elements with vet

[slow spade]

at this point I've lost track

[fleet thicket]

this is my first lasgun

like ever

recon sorry

[slow spade]

they got changed significantly like 2 weeks ago

all my data is wrong :c

[torn gorge]

6 highest rof and lowest ammo economy/damage per shot
7 slowest with 2 target cleave
2 inbetween

[tall torrent]

2 best ammo econ, balanced dps

6d worst overall, has funny onslaught value but onslaught is not worth it 95% the time

7a has higher cleave than 2 but worse ammo econ (still better than 6d)

[somber axle]

Collateral is a dump stat. It is only good if you like the idea of staggering Gunners, Ragers, Reapers and Bulwarks (during their attack animation) better when combo'd with Exe Stance increased impact. One of the Recon variants got a buff to damage AND impact so it can stagger things very well but most people don't like stagger because it means you have to adjust aim for the animation

[slow spade]

oh 7 having cleave sounds nice

[torn gorge]

nice on paper

but not very impactful

[somber axle]

Damage, Ammo and Mobility (51%+) are the only good Recon stats to aim for

[tall torrent]

7a has 3 cleave (same as Helbore)

[torn gorge]

unless it just so happen that theres a poxie in front of what you are shooting

[slow spade]

neat c:

good to know

[somber axle]

Stability and Collateral are dump stats

[slow spade]

recon is surprisingly cheap to build

very comfy

[tall torrent]

Although cleave is kinda less important now cuz u can shoot through all teammates as if they had no mass

No more ogryn body block

[somber axle]

This is correct! I can fetch my chart one sec...

[slow spade]

ah true, still though can't go wrong with cleave

[somber axle]

DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId

DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II

DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II

Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

[fleet thicket]

I SEE thank you

[somber axle]

Keep in mind the high rate of fire of the Recon Mk VId makes it go through ammo much faster than the other two variants

[torn gorge]

tbf you kind of get a sense at some point

[fleet thicket]

i think i got the mark 7 one

[torn gorge]

of how many shots you need to kill a target

so the initial ammo waste can be mitigated

[slow spade]

1 poxwalker = 1 mag

[torn gorge]

to a certain degree

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa has the least shots technically but the slowest fire rate so despite double the ammo cost per shot it still doesn't use ammo as fast as the Recon Mk VId

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk VIIa is the strongest variant for horde clear and for dealing with mixed hordes to strike elites/specials hidden in the crowds of poxwalkers/groaners

Recon Mk II does SLIGHTLY better single target elite/special damage and better boss damage with noticeably better ammo efficiency but no cleave so the Recon Mk VIIa will perform better when trying to shoot through the horde to hit the rager in the middle of it

I cannot emphasize enough that the DPS increase is so marginal that it has no noticeable change in TTK imo

[torn gorge]

its a good thing they equalised it across all marks

[somber axle]

So don't stress if you like the Recon Mk VIIa more because the Recon Mk II isn't that big of a jump in damage

[torn gorge]

problem is that now 6a lacks identity

[somber axle]

The main bonus to the Recon Mk II is having the best ammo economy

[somber axle]

I think the Recon Mk VId is now the light machine gun variant best for suppressing multiple areas/targets the most effectively and performs best for Crusher killing duty while performing solid Elite/Special DPS/TTK in exchange for the longer reload, longer weapon swap and worse ammo economy. It does less damage to the majority of specials/elites you will see but can sustain longer volleys between reloads (as long as you have the ammo to keep the DAKKA going)

But tbh most consider that role unfun to play

So I always recommend the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa to people new to Recons

Most will gel better with their performance

[torn gorge]

previously it had the beaming target to target value

compared to other variants

but thats not the case

also

the advent of autofire mod just makes that role infinitely more effective on mk4/mg1a infantry lasgun

[somber axle]

Yeah but where DAKKA

[torn gorge]

when you 1 tap every ranged enemy at max rof and 2 tap elites at most thats plenty of dakka

idk about boss damage on weakspot

but that usually isnt the strong point anyway

and ye ofc the elephant in the room is the carapace damage

[somber axle]

If you have never felt it, just try Weapon Specialist + Recon Mk VId for the meme of the highest rate of fire in the entire game. Nothing else comes close and it's hilarious but you WILL throw your ammo away really fast and be as thirsty for ammo as a Gunlugger Ogryn

[torn gorge]

oh i did play it at the new talent tree release

[somber axle]

It's so funny

Such a goofy fire rate

[torn gorge]

ye

[somber axle]

I want to play it more but it's a guilty pleasure because I end up needing so much ammo and it makes me feel like an active detriment to teams

[torn gorge]

before aura nerf it was surprisingly sustainable in HISTG and auric maelstrom

[somber axle]

Not like Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa gameplay where I can sometimes spray into hordes to help provide additional support fire without stressing about ammo much

[torn gorge]

not anymore though

[somber axle]

Any gun that can freely spray into hordes without feeling stupid is fun to me

[torn gorge]

burst firing a very high rof space famas has always been fun

tbh

[somber axle]

The ammo efficiency for me through Shock Trooper, Deadshot and Headhunter is just so good. The synergy lets ammo efficiency reach a very funny peak

Now I really want to play the goofy Weapon Specialist Recon Mk VId again

[tall torrent]

Depends on team composition

[last parcel]

just always queue into staff psykers

[tall torrent]

Most ogryn builds don’t need that much ammo, neither does zealot

Most veteran builds also don’t require that much ammo

[mortal horizon]

what talent tree would you guys run to make bolt pistol work on auric?

2nd question, what blessings on double barrell for a WM build with power sword 6

[austere mica]

I run right side mainly for bolt pistol

Hold on

[winter grove]

Do you play the brown recons

[mortal horizon]

someone earlier said bolt pistol is best with exe stance and big dmg breakpoints

[mortal horizon]

which sounded interesting.
but i feel like i dont want to be running a surgical build on it

[austere mica]

Here

[mortal horizon]

oh thats left side

[austere mica]

Ignore the red X

[mortal horizon]

ok cool ill try

blessings?

[austere mica]

Shit I’m stupid

[last parcel]

“right side”

[austere mica]

I may be stupid

[last parcel]

[winter grove]

Ogryns talent for Exe stance?

[last parcel]

i will add that note to your file

[last parcel]

it’s a oneshot crusher meme build

[austere mica]

It also works but hey

Oneshots gunners and every special except flamer

Might oneshot flamer with max MF

But yeah it is mostly a doofy meme build that lets me take a crushers head off at point blank

[mortal horizon]

this build just makes me sad bc its just a worse revolver kinda.
and doesnt take advantage any new cool blessings but

im guessing most of them are bad lol

[last parcel]

with executioner's stance active, it's probably only like 3 MF stacks

[torn gorge]

i mean

you get DA/surgical

which are the whole selling point of the gun

[austere mica]

They’re both precision weapons with fairly low mag size and similar roles

What you gonna do

[torn gorge]

the extra damage on stagger/aoe close range are just undertuned

[austere mica]

I think bolt pistol does a way better job against shooters though

[tall torrent]

Flamer 1 shot is a huge breakpoint tho

[austere mica]

Pop one and the rest shit themselves and dive for cover

[austere mica]

Yeah

But

This build is funny

[bitter turtle]

you can try my meme puncture build

need someone to try it to tell me its probably bad

[forest breach]

all satisfaction is gone from the bolt pistol the moment you hit a poxwalker :D

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

only need superiority complex

can dump all other points in tree on melee or nades or whatever the fuck

also 2 bodyshot rager kills

no dependence on critting

[last parcel]

i've been running this with puncture bistol

[somber axle]

Triple Staff Psyker means all the ammo is mine and I love it but that is rare

[somber axle]

I have slight colourblindness. I play with all three variants though! But mostly the Recon Mk II after the update

My time spent using each of the Recons is probably like
Recon Mk II > Recon Mk VId > Recon Mk VIIa
That's not a chart about power/performance but more for which weapons I have the most gun playing in Aurics lately

Recon Mk VId was the only Recon I would touch much before Secrets of the Machine God

[zinc surge]

are there any paid recon lasgun comestics?

[winter grove]

The slow firing one

[drifting oak]

man, I'm trying to pub with the sawed off + weapon spec build

and it's so shit

[somber axle]

I don't play it very often tbh. I tried it out but I prefer the ammo efficiency of the Recon Mk II or the silly rate of fire on the Recon Mk VId. The cleave is fun but I enjoy the other two variants way more

[drifting oak]

because 3/4 puggies don't shoot specials

[somber axle]

It's a good gun though

[drifting oak]

so I can't afford to take a gun that can't kill specials/gunners past 20 meters

[somber axle]

Yes they released a special Recon skin with the Elysian stuff a while back

[drifting oak]

like... "oh it's 1 bomber, 1 flamer, 1 trapper"

3 people go down to that combo

i WATCH them go down to that

and it's just like gee whiz if only I had a gun that could've just headshot all three of those specials easy as breathing

instead of a gun that kills trash and ragers gud

[somber axle]

@zinc surge

It's a very good skin to pair with the cover art look

[hearty panther]

its got spoopy skulls

[torn gorge]

tbh that accatran skin is so sad

[somber axle]

Elysian week had a lot of REALLY good weapon skins

[torn gorge]

they did such a great job with the elysians

[somber axle]

The Laspistol and Knife were also really top tier

[fleet thicket]

where do i ge this?

[torn gorge]

wait until its in rotation again

[fleet thicket]

shiit XD

[last parcel]

you're too late

[torn gorge]

on the flipside

the newly released bolt pistol and especially shock maul skin are bangers

if you wanna splurge that way in the meantime

revolver and axe are also pretty cool

[somber axle]

It was in rotation 2 and a half-ish months ago

So it's just waiting and praying they put the cosmetics you want back in

Or using mods to use it (those are client side only afaik)

[last parcel]

undisputed best double barrel build

[gilded rock]

So are the papers that get imperial seals heat-resistant or something

[somber axle]

I love all the new weapon skins that we got with the Enforcer week. The Shotgun and Revolver skins are also really good. But wow I wish the candle on the Boltpistol hadn't been positioned in front of the sights LMFAO

[gilded rock]

I don't see how else that seal on the barrel could survive longer than two minutes on a lasgun

[somber axle]

The Emperor protects! ... this paper

Something something pray and hope it doesn't burn I guess

The candle is hilarious

[torn gorge]

nothing wrong there

[gilded rock]

The teensy weensy lil candle they smushed onto the barrel while it was still warm

I just like the thought of watching someone do this kind of stuff

[torn gorge]

tbh bolt pistol ADS is fucked anyway

due sway and recoil recovery

[umbral scaffold]

use the ADS stamina drain perk

works wonders

[marble mantle]

Thoughts?

[umbral scaffold]

nice

good perks

[marble mantle]

Sweeeet

[bitter turtle]

i think u want skullcrusher but

dont quote moe on that

[zinc surge]

oooo thanks ill keep a look out for it tyty!

[bitter turtle]

im running HV + skullcrusher at least but idk

[last parcel]

added to the book of quotes

[bitter turtle]

fug

[marble mantle]

I don’t have it yet but I’ll replace when I get it

Have an extra mod slot anyway

[serene bough]

these unsanctioned psykers are going wild lately

[mortal horizon]

what blessings on double barrel do you typically want for a powersword 6 wm build

[jovial aurora]

is this the funni tapper shovel

[bitter turtle]

they both can 1 tap

but yes

[mortal horizon]

example, is this useable? what should i change

[jovial aurora]

so this is prolly 2 out of four?

{good enough to buy with milkmoney}

[bitter turtle]

well

thrust III is unfortunate

but yea you can probably still do it

might need a lot of melee talent investment to hit 1tap though

or uncanny stacks required before doing fold atk

[jovial aurora]

i have pretty much all the melee stack stuff

[sterile phoenix]

What's a good melee weapon to pair with the columnus v

[junior needle]

You havent even encountered the worm

[uncut pebble]

Yup. Gonna have nightmares about that. Thanks.

[junior needle]

It's what I'm here for

[mortal horizon]

is maniac or flak more important for double barrel? (my other perk is stuck as +8% elites)

[uncut pebble]

Try both and pray you can hit bps for both rager types.

[mortal horizon]

ok, this is what i got so far, i know dmg stat is low but is this useable?

gonna swap this perk and try it

[uncut pebble]

Yeah that's decent. The big thing here is "can you 1shot a rager."

And if you can, the next question is "can you 1shot both types of ragers."

[junior needle]

Just remember, the worm could be in anyone. Even you. Waiting.

[uncut pebble]

Test before you change anything.

Like, go see if you can 1tap ragers with both barrels before you change out unarmored damage.

Then see if you can 1shot both types of gunners.

[winter grove]

Infested :)

[mortal horizon]

ok, anything wrong with talent tree?

[uncut pebble]

If you can 1shot all 4 without changing anything then I'd say just leave it alone. You may even be able to mess with your other blessing.

[mortal horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-talking-about-cute-adorable-wat-dog-gif-14770516

[uncut pebble]

Tldr double barrel has hella cleave.

[winter grove]

Double barrel is the vet gun that makes infested good

[uncut pebble]

You can delete an entire horde with one barrel.

[winter grove]

^

And infested dmg allows you to oneshot poxwalkers

[uncut pebble]

Very nasty little gun, that.

Anywho...

[uncut pebble]

I dont see superiority complex there in your talent tree.

[drifting oak]

do you even need it? I feel like i was getting oneshots regardless

or was that just crits lol

[uncut pebble]

If you can't kill a rager in one shot maybe you could change keystones? Unless you're going for the always prepared thing where your double barrel always has 1 shot in it.

[tame void]

Waiting for what

[drifting oak]

yeah you absolutely don't need infested lol

pew

[last parcel]

for manstopper clear

[drifting oak]

hmmmm, how much damage do you lose on the manstopper cleaves

i mean i guess it's more about the falloff

so you can get full hallway clears on manstopper crit/cleaves

[somber axle]

Zealot smushing candle onto Boltpistol: "We must be His Light in this darkness for the citizens of Atoma."
Veteran: "Light in the darkness my ass. You're getting every gun in Atoma pointed at your head with that little 'light' of yours. And why in front of the sights?!"
Zealot: "Let Him be your eyes and your aim shall ever be true."

(Blame the Zealots 100% for the candle)

[drifting oak]

but I'm not sure 25% is enough to really do that