not exactly
#veteran-class
faint beacon
I’m just making various weapons
tall torrent
helbore takes very little accuracy loss from being suppressed
faint beacon
Once I get that I’m grinding nothing but mats
tall torrent
but u do get +ADS sway from being suppressed
wise fossil
So Determined is a bit less useful
muted knot
Plasma i assume ?
faint beacon
Plasma i assume ?
That or the Pocket hand cannon
tall torrent
also
I think I'm starting to understand the +suppression nodes a little better
it does a weird thing
with +25% suppression node and +50% suppression talent
at first the gunner retained near perfect accuracy
but after a single plasma shot (applying high suppression), he loses accuracy tremendously
I've never seen anyone mentioning suppression doing this
with +75% suppression from both nodes, the gunner stays inaccurate far longer than without +50% suppression
faint beacon
Huh…
tall torrent
@somber axle u might have cooked up smth
faint beacon
So they go from perfect accuracy
To not so great to being able to hit you
Shit path
tall torrent
So they go from perfect accuracy
to not being able to hit the broad side of a barn
faint beacon
Try it it on
wise fossil
Suppression is actually great now
tall torrent
lemme see what the result would be vs gunner waves
wise fossil
Yes, not all enemies get suppressed, but the ones that do are extremely dangerous
faint beacon
lemme see what the result would be vs gunner waves
Try it against Stalker and Shooter packs as well next
tall torrent
also need to check +suppression effects on weapons that don't suppress well
cuz plasma is very high suppression
faint beacon
Trying to think of what else
faint beacon
Poop sock
tall torrent
Laspistols
yea I'll check laspistol
faint beacon
yea I'll check laspistol
Would the Ius Shredders even help?
tall torrent
Would the Ius Shredders even help?
I genuinely don't care abt that gun
faint beacon
Lmao
somber axle
<@164192519465205760> u might have cooked up smth
You are the chef this time Numbers Cat. The change to Gunners means that suppresion is more viable now! Plus the other two options in that tier for the talent tree are awkward. For the Emperor is ok for a very short 5 sec window to hit special breakpoints but it's so short duration and conditional that it's barely worth imo outside of funny breakpoints like 1HKO Crusher on Helbore Mk III. Born Leader is ok for medic builds but only situationally useful and provides less benefit than Focus Target + Target Down. So Keep Their Heads Down might FINALLY be viable!! Plus the patch notes mentioned that enemies now spend MUCH longer out of cover and MUCH longer in cover as a buff to suppressing enemies!
faint beacon
I’m trying to think of like BAD suppression weapons
tall torrent
You are the chef this time Numbers Cat. The change to Gunners means that suppres...
this is vs gunner, not the stalkers that received change vs suppression
dreamy vortex
What builds work well with the agripinaa shotgun?
somber axle
this is vs gunner, not the stalkers that received change vs suppression
Does it also do it to the regular shooters too? 
tall torrent
ok double suppression node is pretty hilarious vs gunner groups (they need to be grouped up)
@faint beacon check this out^
wise fossil
What builds work well with the agripinaa shotgun?
This is my agri shotty build
dreamy vortex
Thanks
austere mica
ok double suppression node is pretty hilarious vs gunner groups (they need to be...
Instant Stormtrooper aim
tall torrent
Does it also do it to the regular shooters too? <:Eyes:650032376734416975>
I'll check
dreamy vortex
Always liked it on my zealot but it never felt like it performed amazingly
tall torrent
this changes my understanding of +suppression a lot
I still think the "make enemies seek cover or cower" part sucks
but dropping their accuracy makes a big difference
austere mica
I wonder how severe it is with weapons like bolter
faint beacon
ok double suppression node is pretty hilarious vs gunner groups (they need to be...
Holy shit lmao
Could you try it with the HHA?
Any really
Seeing I’m curious if it would at all help with well bullying gunners
hearty panther
shotguns, shredder, all high contenders for this kind of effect
austere mica
Should I go tag or marksmans for BP
hearty panther
bolter is a bit niche in that most of the SUPPRESSION suppression and not just stagger comes from an enemy kill
so just firng off at dudes isnt that effective
tall torrent
@somber axle the +suppression nodes don't help vs scab shooters that much (who received +accuracy buff this patch)
they cower in place/reposition too much, so it's hard to group them together for suppressing a large amount of them very quickly
they do cower more easily but they also recover from being suppressed really fast
u buy like 1s of not getting shot at most
checking stalkers now
still with plasma
stalkers are weird (?)
hearty panther
yes
tall torrent
yea no this doesn't help vs stalkers
abt 1/4th of them straight up go for melee
and they spray while moving
faint beacon
Huh
austere pine
brother wtf why is milk offering me 4 lasguns with falter
faint beacon
They are rather melee prone so you might need to do it from quite a distance
austere pine
faint beacon
Also the shooters don’t surprise me they’ve always been annoying
tall torrent
They are rather melee prone so you might need to do it from quite a distance
here's the thing
they have really smart AI
if they're too far away
they push closer towards u at ~8m range
surround u
and spray u down while moving
tall torrent
if they're too far away
what they end up doing actually is
a couple stalkers will spray u from range with decent accuracy while the large majority reposition close to u
then they surround & spray u down
faint beacon
Explains why they can really fuck you up when you’re by yourself
last parcel
tall torrent
Explains why they can really fuck you up when you’re by yourself
also
here's laspistol with max suppression vs gunners
faint beacon
Which talent nodes are causing this again
faint beacon
The light or heavy variant if I may ask btw
tall torrent
The light or heavy variant if I may ask btw
mk2
tall torrent
I think them cowering still sucks
lemme try a weapon that might actually benefit from stopping gunners
austere mica
How does this look for bolt pistol
somber axle
<@164192519465205760> the +suppression nodes don't help vs scab shooters that mu...
Ah ok
last parcel
How does this look for bolt pistol
you need MF + double rending for crusher hunting
somber axle
Well on the bright side suppression is more relevant now!
tall torrent
tall torrent
https://youtu.be/ioYzap075OE
in a live match u'd get shot into a beehive immediately
just tried on MG1a
nope
the problem with this talent is that
u rely very heavily on ranged enemies grouping up
if they're spread out in flanking positions (which they usually are)
this has low value
faint beacon
Honestly them cowering is still good especially when you’re running a toughness battery build
tall torrent
Honestly them cowering is still good especially when you’re running a toughness ...
the problem is, in a live game they're not stacked on top of each other
they're gonna spread out
suppression even causes them to spread out & seek cover
which de-values itself
thin kernel
Evening fellows
Have the Recon las changes made the gun any more usable?
tall torrent
Evening fellows
Have the Recon las changes made the gun any more usable?
yes, use 7a or 2
tall torrent
7a
austere pine
still the ogryn marking on exe stance
austere mica
If I crit once it goes to 3
austere pine
why even bother with that one
austere pine
there's like a bajillion more random shooting enemies than there is of ogryn enemies
faint beacon
(grey pistol)
A grey BP?
austere mica
Yeah
faint beacon
Now imagine DA and Surgical
austere mica
I bought one and am screwing around in psyk
austere pine
if you want to get a duration reset, just got for the human sized shooting
faint beacon
Lmao
faint beacon
Could do + Elite for the absolute overkill
austere mica
Yeah I don't see the problem everyone has with this thing yet numbers wise
I have yet to use it under live fire but like
Seems pretty solid
somber axle
this has low value
Even for funny spray and pray weapons like the Recon Mk VId it has niche value because spraying will already do it very effectively so it is just doing it slightly faster and for less shots
tall torrent
Even for funny spray and pray weapons like the Recon Mk VId it has niche value b...
the main benefit I see is dropping gunners' accuracy
somber axle
Can get 4 shot on crushers with max MF at point blank
Boltpistol can 1HKO with a funny set up
austere mica
I'm sure it can
tall torrent
but it doesn't help in spread out situations because u can't suppress enemies in a bunch of different directions all at the same time
austere mica
I just need to get deadly accurate and surgical now
somber axle
Usually in the 2HKO or 3HKO range unless Exe Stance and Marksman are active though
Deadly Accurate and Surgical make the Boltpistol crazy good with Marksman's Focus
gritty nimbus
Can someone here get on my account for 7+ games and get me auric exemplar? I've been 9+ two times and RUINED by shitty teammate
last parcel
somber axle
but it doesn't help in spread out situations because u can't suppress enemies in...
Yeah to suppress multiple positions it ends up being more effort and at that point it is probably better to run Smoke grenades
I need to try a Recon Mk II Exe Stance + Smoke build...
last parcel
i've only done that with helbore II
faint beacon
Seems pretty solid
It’s literally just why do blank when blank does the same thing but slightly better
That’s really all it is
faint beacon
Dopamine fire off when I see a heretics head become shrapnel
austere mica
Shrapnel? That shit is a mist
faint beacon
Bone fragments
urban steppe
which one is better ? 🤔
torpid grotto
Id take the one with above 50% mobility for maximum dodges
73-80% damage rolls dont matter that much
urban steppe
Id take the one with above 50% mobility for maximum dodges
i just went and upgrade all of them so now which xD
marble mantle
How do y’all even make talent builds
Like there are so many good options
Idek what to pick
severe finch
whats the best full auto vet gun for all round use?
is it the recons or something else?
torpid grotto
i just went and upgrade all of them so now which xD
Idk what the blessings are like for these new weapons, but the ones on the first one seem to synergize well and it has good perk rolls
somber axle
How do y’all even make talent builds
Like there are so many good options
Mostly just deciding which grenade and ability to use and building around that choice tbh
marble mantle
That makes sense
torpid grotto
whats the best full auto vet gun for all round use?
Columnus IAG is considered the strongest, still seems great after the nerf
marble mantle
I’m gonna try n make a shouty up close and personal build so I can support
somber axle
The ability and grenade will have a massive impact on how many talent points you have to spend further down the tree. Fire Team, Krak and Voice of Command save you lots of talent points because it is a straight shot down the middle talent tree. Executioner's Stance and Smoke grenades do a funny zig zag wasting talent points to jump back and forth across the talent tree to get both
torpid grotto
You can't go wrong with the shout, its the best ability in the game
severe finch
Columnus IAG is considered the strongest, still seems great after the nerf
ight and if had to recomend a recon to my buddy which one would you say is the "best"
urban steppe
How do y’all even make talent builds
Like there are so many good options
everything depends on your play style
what you use and how is your combat gameplay
somber axle
ight and if had to recomend a recon to my buddy which one would you say is the "...
Oh I can answer this! One second
DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId
DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II
DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II
Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId
Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)
@severe finch The best general use Recon is the Recon Mk II now
torpid grotto
Personally I use the VId because the fire rate is the most fun, I don't notice it being much worse than the other ones
urban steppe
I’m gonna try n make a shouty up close and personal build so I can support
thats how i made my own build not copied from other because mostly im support more with a plasma ( yes im main of it xD because this zooooooop sound love it ) , take down elites and give all the time shields
somber axle
Recon Mk VId feels like a light machine gun for how massive the magazine size is and how fast the rate of fire is
A very fun gun
torpid grotto
Laser hose
somber axle
The short answer is that there is no best Recon anymore
Long answer is that the best Recon depends on what role you want to fill in a group
severe finch
Personally I use the VId because the fire rate is the most fun, I don't notice i...
use to be so fun before the ammo refund got nerfed
civic knot
Almost goated, right?
torpid grotto
use to be so fun before the ammo refund got nerfed
A lot of vets tend to use their guns too much and run out of ammo. Using it only on very dangerous elite packs and a few specialists you never really run out
marble mantle
Should I take all of the augs for focus target? They all seem incredibly good
severe finch
A lot of vets tend to use their guns too much and run out of ammo. Using it only...
i use the lucius mk2 ammo is almost never an issue for me my buddy wants an auto though so i wanted to give him the best info i could get on the short hand notice
civic knot
Almost goated, right?
What do I change, besides crit chance to flak?
arctic rampart
@marble mantle as a pc player, I bind focus target to down wheel on my mouse. it makes it really easy to ping. on xbox can you ping it easy/consistently?
torpid grotto
I prefer full bore because I use the shotgun to eliminate single targets like bulwarks or maulers
marble mantle
<@934661662663925770> as a pc player, I bind focus target to down wheel on my m...
Yeah it’s a non issue for me tbh
torpid grotto
Scattershot isnt useful to me on the double barrel
marble mantle
It’s more manual but manageable
severe finch
<@934661662663925770> as a pc player, I bind focus target to down wheel on my m...
yeah its a tap on the bumper
arctic rampart
the problem for vets is that they have great abilities but you have to diverge a little to get them.. every point is precious. with the middle keystone depending on your gun you might have your points required in other places
marble mantle
Good point
civic knot
I prefer full bore because I use the shotgun to eliminate single targets like bu...
Yeah thats what i thought. How about "both barrels"? keep that one, im guessing?
torpid grotto
Yes thats the best blessing on the gun
urban steppe
The short answer is that there is no best Recon anymore
yeh true but best choose is a Mk VIIa , high dps , more ammo
arctic rampart
what are your current weapon choices?
urban steppe
what are your current weapon choices?
for me plasma one love
marble mantle
what are your current weapon choices?
Melees are second power sword and the last shock maul, guns are plasma pistol, recon lasgun, or bistol
Just my favs
urban steppe
dont care about walls or shield zoooooop and ded
torpid grotto
for me plasma one love <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
The day of the nerf is coming for you and your sinful kind
marble mantle
I’m just like super new to vet so idk what the optimal choices are for talents for my play style lol. There are way too many good ones
torpid grotto
Yes vet skill tree is actually a skill tree
topaz lance
The tree is also still slightly bloated imo
torpid grotto
One tip is that usually people dont get the bottom keystones
To save more points for better stuff
rigid schooner
how does opening salvo work with the double barrel? is the 1st shot always given the 10% crit chance?
topaz lance
One tip is that usually people dont get the bottom keystones
case in point
arctic rampart
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c69dd08-a0a8-4ab0-8b94-95d985f3dbb2 something like this
then 8 points .. I always go weapon specialist when going power sword and|or plasma, which I pretty much always do cause other weapons are just worse
civic knot
Good? BiS blessings possibly? probably not tho....
marble mantle
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c69dd08-a0a8-4ab0-8b94-95d985...
Thanks!!
arctic rampart
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c69dd08-a0a8-4ab0-8b94-95d985f3dbb2 this is the one I use most games currently
having 200+ toughness with iron will and voice of command is pretty strong IMO
somber axle
yeh true but best choose is a Mk VIIa , high dps , more ammo
Mk VIIa has cleave for helping shoot through mixed hordes better to kill elites/specials but since Fatshark removed player bodies being blocked by shots the Mk II has the best ammo efficiency and the longest volleys between shots. It also surprisingly does better DPS than the Mk VIIa on Flak/Unyielding targets but the difference is marginal. Recon Mk VId does the best Carapace damage for melting Crushers but they all can kinda kill Crushers when built for rending/crit. They just do it differently. Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa need Marksman's Focus and Chink in their Armour to get ok DPS/TTK on Crushers but sacrifice the ability to choose other keystones and require 10 stacks to maintain uptime for their rending to compete. Recon Mk VId uses Onslaught which is more talent tax heavy but allows you to go into Focus Target + Target Down or Focus Target + Redirect Fire depending on whether or not you're using Deadshot (TD for DS, RF for no DS)
last parcel
Good? BiS blessings possibly? probably not tho....
bis is debatable but that's a perfectly good gun once you change the perks. puncture means you only need superiority complex and elite+maniac perks to oneshot most human sized enemies so you're not forced into focus target/executioner's stance
arctic rampart
oh yeah they buffed sunder right? is it better now, still worse than brutal momentum
somber axle
The best Recon changes depending on what your target is and what your talent tree looks like
civic knot
bis is debatable but that's a perfectly good gun once you change the perks. punc...
cool!
I hate focus target as well
somber axle
So the best general use Recon is the Recon Mk II because it is the least talent build dependent Recon while being the best Recon for ammo efficiency and DPS by default
civic knot
so youre telling me ill hit breakpoints with that?
last parcel
oh yeah they buffed sunder right? is it better now, still worse than brutal mom...
yeah more heavy damage
i only really like it on mk3
last parcel
so youre telling me ill hit breakpoints with that?
you should, just test in the psyk to make sure
arctic rampart
I pretty much only use mk3
but I hit heads consistently so BM won out before for me...
torpid grotto
The power sword is so strong you could just use a purple with power cycler lol
last parcel
so youre telling me ill hit breakpoints with that?
superiority complex + elite + puncture gives dreg gunner oneshot headshot
puncture + maniac gives flamer oneshot headshot
everything else below ragers should be oneshot headshot without a crit
tall torrent
bitter turtle
so youre telling me ill hit breakpoints with that?
totally not coping
promise
also 2 bodyshot rager
last parcel
that too
bitter turtle
3 bodyshot mauler
civic knot
totally not coping
😂
wow it really just about gets em yeah
how about uhhh..... cleave?
it have any?
austere mica
Halfway there
austere mica
I know
topaz lance
how about uhhh..... cleave?
nyet
civic knot
austere mica
But I have half the rolls i need to make this work
civic knot
understood
bitter turtle
the other blessing can be gloryhunter if you want
idk what to do about the 2nd blessing
tee hee explosion seems ok i guess
austere mica
I already have deadly accurate 2 banked so I really just need either surgical or flak to roll on this thing
last parcel
<:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
i'm still not sure how necessary this is for a vet guide besides the curio breakpoints for sniper or whatever
last parcel
tee hee explosion seems ok i guess
i pick explosion because i like seeing dogs fly 
tall torrent
i'm still not sure how necessary this is for a vet guide besides the curio break...
this is just general info to have
frail citrus
almost a week now since the patch, how do we feel about recon lasgun now that it's been buffed?
still shit or is it doing good
tall torrent
I'm putting as much relevant info in there as possible
bitter turtle
they're ok
arctic rampart
still not a plasma or columnus, but btter
bolt pistol is a worse zerona from what I heard
uncut pebble
It's still a valid gun, though.
arctic rampart
double barrel shotgun is a shotgun, nothing else needs to be said
all "you could use it!" but "its not the best"
uncut pebble
Double barrel is the rager obliterator 9000.
arctic rampart
you know what obliterates ragers? my plasma shooting through 20 of them
uncut pebble
I've seen zealouts decapitate entire hordes of them with two blasts.
arctic rampart
then I shoot 5 more times
arctic rampart
all the zealots I've been grouping with seem to be struggling
frail citrus
plasma gun, very good but what a snooze fest
terse idol
bolt pistol is a worse zerona from what I heard
Bolt pistol is okay
midnight mortar
almost a week now since the patch, how do we feel about recon lasgun now that it...
A "buff" in which their damage to armor was reduced. Still weird that they call it a buff to me.
terse idol
The AOE has decent stagger
bitter turtle
A "buff" in which their damage to armor was reduced. Still weird that they call ...
they are doing more dmg overall
arctic rampart
I'm totally chill, just a snob for my own purposes. I hope you all have fun with w/e you wanna run
midnight mortar
they are doing more dmg overall
Is it enough to make a difference?
frail citrus
Is it enough to make a difference?
more peopleare running it so it has to be
arctic rampart
if you wanna run a dull spoon instead of a power sword hey that's fine with me 😄
frail citrus
if you wanna run a dull spoon instead of a power sword hey that's fine with me �...
do you only play plasma gun and power sword
that must be a lot of fun
bitter turtle
3k maniac dps
on headshot
so its not
absolutely fucking awful anymore
to try to kill specialists
still not as good as an iag
midnight mortar
more peopleare running it so it has to be
Most people don't check the numbers so I try to not put too much stock in usage alone.
bitter turtle
but its ok enough
midnight mortar
I see.
arctic rampart
I play this game like once a day, maybe. Only run for me might be a lot different than someone who plays it 5 hours a day
bitter turtle
upsides over an iag are bigger clip and better stability
on flak, they are not too different in dmg
if you're trying to kill a mauler or smth
frail citrus
Most people don't check the numbers so I try to not put too much stock in usage ...
idk man every time i ask most ppl seem to be running the numbers
sayin it works for them enough to use it
tall torrent
Is it enough to make a difference?
yes
frail citrus
seems the general consensus on it tho is that its not a garbage weapon anymore
can actually be used
faint beacon
We discussing recons still?
frail citrus
its like flamer tho, you're giving up some ranged capability for a different playstyle
more skirmishing (even tho i think infantry lasgun is better for skirmish)
frail citrus
You're stupid lol, that's not what I meant
bitter turtle
its like flamer tho, you're giving up some ranged capability for a different playstyle
idk how else to interpret this
frail citrus
- it's literally a GUN, of course it has ranged potential
- i meant it in the way that there are better ranged options than the recon lasgun, hellbore and infatry lasgun specifically
its just a different playstyle from those 2, not being so mega long range focused as its counterparts
bitter turtle
flamer is a gun too
frail citrus
try to snipe a gunner with it
bitter turtle
except the part where it is fine at mega long range
uncut pebble
Flamer is... not a gun.
frail citrus
A flamer is... a flamer..........
uncut pebble
It's a ranged weapon, yeah, but it isn't a gun.
frail citrus
Made for burning heretics.... and flushing enemies from cover....
and horde clear...........
not for counter sniping...................
bitter turtle
are we talking about flamers or recons
uncut pebble
Personally I just use it to cook monstrosities on my stealth build.
frail citrus
are we talking about flamers or recons
way to deflect
terse idol
Bruh
What the fucj
Calm your ass down jesus
It's semantics
A flamer is a close range "gun:
uncut pebble
Anyway, that aside, you're not really giving up any ranged potential with a recon, short of having low ammo.
wild vortex
this worth buying from Melk?
frail citrus
this worth buying from Melk?
i would just to research one of the 2 blessings
but its base stat is meh
terse idol
This is like saying the shotgun isn't a shotgun because it doesn't have range it's still a gun
frail citrus
I usually don't run anything lower than 370
365 if its something ir eally want to try
terse idol
Don't think you're high and mighty because you're arguing semantics
wild vortex
but its base stat is meh
I mean isn't ammo kinda the dump stat here
bitter turtle
this worth buying from Melk?
stats are good, cant fix it completely though
cara is not worth
base rating is meaningless
stopping power and dmg are high
that is all that matters
wild vortex
cara is not worth
I see
faint beacon
Bro I looked away for a minute and we’re arguing what happened
wild vortex
sadge
uncut pebble
This is like saying the shotgun isn't a shotgun because it doesn't have range it...
No, a flamer isn't a gun because it has a definite range before you literally can't hurt anything. A shotgun might do only 1 damage, but it still does damage, which makes it a gun. But yeah, semantics are irrelevant.
wild vortex
idk man Melk just hates my Vet for whatever reason
frail citrus
Bro I looked away for a minute and we’re arguing what happened
Nobodies arguing, some people are just braindead and don't know how to read
frail citrus
idk man Melk just hates my Vet for whatever reason
Melk hates all the rejects tbh
uncut pebble
Melk loves my ogryn.
frail citrus
Who doesn't love ogryns!
faint beacon
idk man Melk just hates my Vet for whatever reason
He usually likes 1 personality of all 3 types on each class
wild vortex
like he gives my Ogryn and Shouty good stuff sometimes
somber axle
A "buff" in which their damage to armor was reduced. Still weird that they call ...
Damage was buffed on the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa. Magazine size and rate of fire was buffed on the Recon Mk VId. All three variants had a buff to Maniac ADM. Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa had their ADM brought in line with Recon Mk VId for Flak/Unyielding at "Near" range. I did testing on the Recons and found that they all still do fantastic damage across the board (including against Flak/Unyielding on the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa). These are buffs no matter how someone looks at them and the Recons are now solidly mid-tier weapons instead of just clown choice award weapons
terse idol
No, a flamer isn't a gun because it has a definite range before you literally ca...
I'm losing it
wild vortex
but Vet? forget it
terse idol
faint beacon
<a:rounyspin:1131769614351745064>
Anger
bitter turtle
just give up smudgels
somber axle
The best way to learn how they perform is to use them though
bitter turtle
someone who asks for help
gets it
and then has an attitude afterwards over dumbass shit
is just
uncut pebble
That plasma gun seems alright. Ammo is a little low, but you'll manage. Drop gloryhunter for gets hot and replace sprint efficiency with maniac(?).
terse idol
SI isn't that good
frail citrus
Very 1 dimensional, but good if you want to have an all-round build I'd say
uncut pebble
You could also do elite damage to help with crushers and maulers a bit more.
terse idol
Definetly would replace SI with gets hot keep glory hunter
terse idol
Cause the extra toughness gain is okay
uncut pebble
Aight, I'll concede on that.
frail citrus
My thing with it is how rich are you in the currency you use to buy from Melk
uncut pebble
Keep gloryhunter, then.
frail citrus
because if you've got money to spend, why not pick up a blessing just to have
terse idol
You could also do elite damage to help with crushers and maulers a bit more.
Elite damage for Dredge gunner BP
uncut pebble
*If he meets that bp.
bitter turtle
You could also do elite damage to help with crushers and maulers a bit more.
you want elite dmg because it gives crusher 3 tap (so cara is not that great) while also doing dreg gunner
faint beacon
Toughness battery builds my beloved
terse idol
You will meet the BP with elite
In theeooory
I do have a low dps pgun, but it should hopefully
Make it
faint beacon
With or without superiority complex?
bitter turtle
with
terse idol
With
bitter turtle
but what build doesn't run that
terse idol
SC is just good
bitter turtle
for pgun
wild vortex
yeah I skipped it for now
faint beacon
Honestly I kinda respect not running obvious clear upgrades if it’s intentional lmao
uncut pebble
I think they mean intentionally not picking superiority complex.
uncut pebble
https://i.gyazo.com/d532f9316ed4ab8be414c17705b65b60.png
Ok so they aren't firearms, ya big nerd.
terse idol
Oh
last parcel
K
bitter turtle
Ok so they aren't *firearms*, ya big nerd.
im not the one that lost their shit over semantics in the first place
faint beacon
Ok so they aren't *firearms*, ya big nerd.
If this is a pun I hate you
terse idol
Me with this information
hollow warren
I know GH4 won't change much, but I just like having maxed out blessings
still searching for it
quartz leaf
someone want to post their VIIa build talent tree?
bitter turtle
someone want to post their VIIa build talent tree?
last 2 points on whatever
you can also
go middle at the top
if you prefer confirmed kill and close order drill
quartz leaf
yeah i was about to ask why you go sprint speed
bitter turtle
its sprint efficiency
i go right bc i like movespeed
the 3rd node
also i like out for blood
and i sprint fucking everywhere so sprint efficiency is nice too
just my preference
quartz leaf
whats up with the flak grenade? best one now?
bitter turtle
it was always the best one
bitter turtle
2 shredder frags kill everything except mauler/ogryns
with bleed stacks
can wipe out an entire room
unless you really want the boss stunlock from krak
quartz leaf
what curio main and substats are we using
bitter turtle
the same as for any other build? nothing special
about curio
for most build
unless you want to do some meme deadshot 6d with 3x stamina curio like sneaky
quartz leaf
so 2 toughness 1 stamina then
quartz leaf
i already have the toughness curios from before, but i also have ability cooldown on them and i heard that was crap
bitter turtle
its ok
on infiltrate is very good
on voc its just ok
pretty bad for executioner stance
if you dont know what good substat perks are
hp
toughness
gunner resist
sniper resist
stamina regen
sprint efficiency
ability cooldown
all are fine/good
quartz leaf
i wont have to change much then
late hatch
16-17 toughness with stam regen, toughness/hp, last slot the other one or cdr or sprint efficiency
quartz leaf
im gonna grab opening salvo with one of the extra points, since lasguns keep ammo when critting it should synergize nicely, with infernus as well
bitter turtle
im gonna grab opening salvo with one of the extra points, since lasguns keep amm...
opening salvo is bad
dont get it
bitter turtle
its not 10% after a reload
its when you are above 90% ammo
how many of your shots are done only at 90%+ ammo
only shotguns can kinda make use of it
if you're spamming the special action
well
i guess for recon its functionally the same
quartz leaf
oh
quartz leaf
kill zone or long shot then?
bitter turtle
stam regen boost (under weakness exploit)
demo team (more grenades)
target down (regen toughness and stam 10% minimum after a tag kill)
any combo of melee talents for your melee weapon, might have to drop something else though
field improv is always a nice thing to have around too (improved medkits/ammo crate)
longshot if you want more dmg is also a choice
you could drop determined and go grab 5% melee+recip+desperado if you wanna use a knife too or something
civic knot
BiS blessings/perks for bolt pistol?
last parcel
what does collateral mean? for lasgun.
enemy stagger on hit
you can inspect the weapon then hover over the stat to get a breakdown of what it does
quartz leaf
thanks
wild vortex
only use melee when i have to
bitter turtle
what does collateral mean? for lasgun.
its worthless
ill save you the effort of figuring out
lol
just have high dmg, ammo, and 51+ mobility
the other stats on the recon dont matter
bitter turtle
collateral, not stopping power*
in case you get confused
i know backup was just using that as an example but just to extra clarify, since stopping power is good, and collateral is usually useless
somber axle
Collateral can be helpful for stagger stunlocking Ragers but that is it really and tbh that's unnecessary
But it was really funny earlier using a Recon Mk VId with high collateral stat to save a Zealot pinned in a corner by a bunch of Ragers
You can do full damage while repeatedly stagger stunning a target
Collateral is 100% a dump stat though
You can kinda safely ignore both stability and collateral with very little change to gameplay on the Recons
last parcel
it has a cool name so makes the gun better through placebo
somber axle
Mobility only needs 51%+
Recons are easy to roll stat-wise
Just get damage and ammo as close to 80% as you can
The perks/blessings and talent tree change performance on a Recon WAY more
austere mica
YES
austere mica
I can now 3 shot without crits with max MF
somber axle
Nice!
somber axle
Is that with Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes? The extra rending allows 1HKO breakpoint
austere mica
I don't think I need flak for this thing
somber axle
(I know I can swap The Bigger They Are into Demo Team for grenade regen but I don't use grenades very often)
austere mica
Is that with Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes? The extra rending allows...
Yes
somber axle
How close are you to 1HKO?
austere mica
I can run 8% elite and 25% cara on this thing
somber axle
Maybe it might be Marksman pushing it to the breakpoint on my end?
austere mica
I think I'm just missing all the damage talents you have
somber axle
austere mica
I will probably leave it at 2 shot if I can't reach 1hko at point blank
somber axle
I know Longshot wasn't needed for the 1HKO
I swapped the talent point off Longshot and was still able to hit the 1HKO
austere mica
Alright with Carapace I can 2 shot without crits with max MF and Exe stance
DID IT
austere mica
Now I just need surgical so I can do it consistently
Game is so mad at my bullshit it crashed
Time to see if bolter can do this
Just for the funny
Ok it works without For the Emperor!
quartz leaf
what do i put for second perk
steady cedar
Which shock maul is better for Vet? I've been playing with the Indignatus a bit and I like the damage but it's really easy to get knocked out of your crowd control combo
sturdy zephyr
what do i put for second perk
Dumdum?
steady cedar
And there's no easy way to reset if you're in the strikedown chain
steady cedar
If you're gonna stick with Infernus probably swap damage vs Elites for Flak
quartz leaf
aight
austere mica
This can 1HKO a crusher at point blank with a crit headshot, Exe stance, and max MF stacks
quartz leaf
how do i deal with crushers when using the accatran?
austere mica
2 shot without Exe stance (1 crit 1 normal headshot)
steady cedar
how do i deal with crushers when using the accatran?
Krak grenades or the right side talent that gives you rending on repeated hits
quartz leaf
ty
austere mica
This
last parcel
how do i deal with crushers when using the accatran?
- stab them
- bring kraks
- spend 4 points to get onslaught on the right side (only really good on the VId)
preferably just stab them
quartz leaf
1) stab them
2) bring kraks
3) spend 4 points to get onslaught on the right side...
im using VIa
last parcel
VIIa? the one with the cleave?
quartz leaf
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yeah that shoots the slowest and doesn't make use of onslaught very well
quartz leaf
which melee do i stab them with then
umbral scaffold
is
umbral scaffold
yeah its alright
just saw a dude with a pink head running arround
i think thats a bug ?
liek gmod eske error colour
last parcel
i think thats a bug ?
yeah, just a bugged cosmetic
umbral scaffold
lol...
onyx anvil
last parcel
umbral scaffold
you know, its kinda refreshing seeing it being not the person wearing krieg doing this kind of stuff
for once
bleak jackal
hows the update
umbral scaffold
still deplorable tho lol
umbral scaffold
hows the update
its, alright, could be more tho
bleak jackal
are kantrael lasguns viable in aurik again?
sturdy zephyr
Good hopes for greater next.
bitter turtle
how do i deal with crushers when using the accatran?
you use your melee
sturdy zephyr
I tried to find link or tag bout lasgun buffed.
austere pine
i'm playing another clandestium gloriana with fucking ogryns
umbral scaffold
how do i deal with crushers when using the accatran?
use your melee,
bitter turtle
are kantrael lasguns viable in aurik again?
they were always viable
austere pine
i swear to god if they get shot to death i'm leaving all quickplays in gloriana from now on
bitter turtle
everything is viable and lasguns arent even close to being the worst gun
its not shredder autopistol
umbral scaffold
if you use the kantrel for shooter control and your other teamates fill their roles it should be alright
but like ofc its not good for crowd control
feeling sadistic, time to play maelstorm
faint beacon
YES
Nice roll, probably do carapace over crit if you want to go absolutely overkill and obviously surgical
bitter turtle
but like ofc its not good for crowd control
i mean
a lot of guns that are considered "strong" are also not good at crowd control
like
revolver
austere mica
Nice roll, probably do carapace over crit if you want to go absolutely overkill ...
Already did
quartz leaf
is boltgun still top of the heap?
umbral scaffold
a lot of guns that are considered "strong" are also not good at crowd control
i mean youll see some dough brainer vet still shoot poxers will all their ammos
drifting oak
i don't think boltgun has been a top tier gun ever since the skill rework and the removal of insta-reload
bitter turtle
is boltgun still top of the heap?
boltgun is just decent
onyx anvil
you know, its kinda refreshing seeing it being not the person wearing krieg doin...
krieg isnt even inspired by ww2 germany 
bitter turtle
but it might not be the way you want to play it
its a sniper rifle rn
you dont hipfire
automatic
umbral scaffold
its fien if you got like 700 ammo or youre in a tights spot but ... like come on
bitter turtle
you mostly ADS and do 1taps
drifting oak
and even then "magdump boltgun x2" was only ever a burst-thing and not a conistent performer since it'd obliterate the team's ammo supply
quartz leaf
boltgun is just decent
whats top tier right now?
quartz leaf
tf is ciag
junior needle
Keep in mind that "viable" is an iffy term that can mean anything
bitter turtle
columnus infantry autogun
sturdy zephyr
Recon
drifting oak
whats top tier right now?
plasma if you don't want to think
revolver if you can aim
Columnus is stronk af but treat it like an autopistol, not a rifle
faint beacon
krieg isnt even inspired by ww2 germany <:RWfingerguns:641260584527986718>
Krieg is more inspired by a WW1 style in general, having a mix of both german and french
junior needle
Recons are not top tier
bitter turtle
revolver doesnt need aim either
quartz leaf
dang i remember when plasma was complete trash
drifting oak
oh if you're from "plasma was garbage" ages no wonder you thought boltgun was top tier, yeah, that was a long time ago
plasma got buffed to become a destroyer of worlds
somber axle
is
It's build dependent now. Focus Target + Target Down gives you enough stamina restore for Helbore lasguns to keep the benefit going without ever dropping to 0 stamina while still being a strong combo with Surgical to all but guarantee crits. I use it with all my Recons too for maximizing free shots from Shock Trooper to get better ammo economy. It's even got some niche value use with the Kantrael Mg1a Infantry Lasgun and Kantrael Mk IV if you can keep pinging targets and putting them down fast enough with Deadshot to keep the crits rolling and stamina going for better Deadshot uptime
shadow aurora
Recons are not top tier
Keep coping zarona user. Paul and recon are meta now
drifting oak
massive hitbox, ignores arm-hits (will hit the body if it can penetrate to it), and generally does a gorillion damage
it still has a slight shot delay, but that's fine
recons with the minus-stamina-per-shot talent
h-how many shots do you even get with a full stamina bar
junior needle
Neither of those weapons can keep up with zarona kill counts
somber axle
It doesn't work on Plasma so it's bad for Plasma. It's also pretty good for Lawbringer Shotgun doing the funny Scattershot/Manstopper combo to help guarantee crits (but tbh with the wide horizontal special shot and Scattershot it hardly needs Deadshot tbh)
last parcel
>recons with the minus-stamina-per-shot talent
don't worry about that. sneaky is loco
bitter turtle
h-how many shots do you even get with a full stamina bar
sneaky uses 3x stamina curios so yeah
bitter turtle
like the first patch after talent tree
release
was changed to flat drain instead of %
drifting oak
oh, huh, goes to show how long ago I even looked at that talent
somber axle
h-how many shots do you even get with a full stamina bar
I use triple stamina curios! And the +1 Stam node under Confirmed Kill. And Focus Target + Target Down
drifting oak
also what's the zarona again
bitter turtle
ads revolver
shadow aurora
Revolver
junior needle
I want the recons to be good, but they're just alright
junior needle
At least now
quartz leaf
i was told VIIa received a buff tbh
bitter turtle
you dont want guns to be stupid tier
drifting oak
yeah all the recons are solidly usable now
junior needle
All of them received buffs
drifting oak
and recon2 is honestly "strong"
quartz leaf
so how do they compare now to the top tier guns
junior needle
for no reason
somber axle
You can get up to a max of 18 STAMINA BARS with three stamina curios, the +1 Stam talent node under Confirmed Kill and +2 Stam on your Recon. Vet gets 2 Stam by default, Recons give an additional +4 to that
drifting oak
You can get up to a max of **18 STAMINA BARS** with three stamina curios, the +1...
nice lmao
somber axle
I am max stamina
quartz leaf
who tf needs 18 stam bars
marble mantle
Thoughts on this ?
drifting oak
so how do they compare now to the top tier guns
"top tier" is a bit of a broad category tbh
bitter turtle
Thoughts on this ?
salvagable
ranged crit dmg -> flak/maniac
punishing salvo -> dumdum
somber axle
who tf needs 18 stam bars
I am a clown don't do what I do but yes me I am the one who needs 18 stamina bars LMFAO
drifting oak
Thoughts on this ?
2 bad perks
headhunter 4 is the only good blessing
1/4 recon, take the blessing off of it
bitter turtle
unarmored isnt ideal but its not useless at least
junior needle
Can't compete with giga dps/on tap guns but they can feasibly have better ammo efficiency than iag's with shocktrooper and crit stacking
marble mantle
ranged crit dmg -> flak/maniac
punishing salvo -> dumdum
Awesome thanks
austere pine
okay nah fuck all this i need suppression immunity
marble mantle
ideal is flaniac
Makes sense
austere pine
i'm getting cancer trying to suppress gunners
somber axle
Can't compete with giga dps/on tap guns but they can feasibly have better ammo e...
Recon Mk II has such good ammo efficiency now that I would compare it to the Mg1a and Mk IV Infantry Lasguns
drifting oak
i'm getting cancer trying to suppress gunners
have you considered not supressing them and just shooting them
quartz leaf
which blessings for plasma?
somber axle
It's not Helbore tier for ammo efficiency though
junior needle
Recon Mk II has such good ammo efficiency now that I would compare it to the Mg1...
I wouldn't compare it to the mk4 personally
That thing is has yuge ammo efficiency by default
drifting oak
but seriously, yes, first of all, supression immunity is the best veteran node by a longshot
secondly, do you know how to hold your slide, and do you have keybinds set up in a way where you can do a "long slide" while ADS'd and firing
yeah as an MG4 enjoyer, recon2 isn't even close
junior needle
1a is more appropriate
somber axle
I wouldn't compare it to the mk4 personally
It's probably a biiit worse than the Mk IV but is in the same playing field on ammo economy tbh. I can regularly spray my Mk II into hordes and be fine on ammo
bitter turtle
i havent tried 2 but i imagine being as efficient as mg4 might be a stretch
mg4 literally can hold down left click
the entire game
and probably still not go dry
marble mantle
Next question
drifting oak
Yep, you have to really, really, REALLY try to run out of ammo on the mg4
drifting oak
Next question
save your melkcoin
bitter turtle
unyielding used to be good but not really anymore
marble mantle
its bricked
Figured
bitter turtle
its still ok bc boss damage+, but no more bulwark 1tap
not good enough to consider a major keep
marble mantle
save your melkcoin
I shall
drifting oak
in general save your melkcoin for level 4 blessings OR "is godroll ready"
don't drop melkcoin on a weapon that's just a minor upgrade
somber axle
and probably still not go dry
I've had exactly 1 game where I had a single red ammo moment on the Mk IV and that was with ammo goblins stealing every tin and pack before I could reach anything LOL it really is an infinite ammo gun in all but the most extreme moments
bitter turtle
yeah i used it as a pretend recon prepatch with full auto mod
genuinely i was just holding down left click in games lol
drifting oak
mg4 is amazing because its hipfire reticle while sliding
is legitimately good enough to headshot with
somber axle
High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet will bleed your ammo dry if your team is braindead and still eating ammo while killing nothing
junior needle
i havent tried 2 but i imagine being as efficient as mg4 might be a stretch
7a is just slightly less ammo efficient than the 2 on paper
If you've tried the 7a you've tried the 2
bitter turtle
well
unless the dmg profile is significantly different
the cleave on 7 really puts it ahead of the others imo
drifting oak
and an important thing about weapons with tons of ammo in the mag is that you can fish for hitmarkers through things like fire
bitter turtle
makes it so much easier to shoot through a crowd to get to the elite/specialist you're trying to kill
junior needle
unless the dmg profile is significantly different
I did the maths
somber axle
unless the dmg profile is significantly different
It's not significant but on Flak/Unyielding the Recon Mk II can weirdly get around 100 to 200-ish DPS more than the Recon VIIa. I think it's the better fire rate pushing it past the VIIa tbh
junior needle
But yes the cleave can put it ahead of the 2
austere pine
have you considered not supressing them and just shooting them <:KEKW_ogryn:1022...
how tf do i shoot something when a total of 0 of my shots are hitting
bitter turtle
6 had the tee hee funny pewpew ROF which is admittedly fun, but i really did feel the loss of cleave
somber axle
The cleave means it cuts through mixed hordes to hit elites better
somber axle
Single target the Mk II slightly wins out
drifting oak
how tf do i shoot something when a total of 0 of my shots are hitting
by taking the suppression node, also I know how suffering it is when you're suppressed, that's why the emoji, to show I was being ironic
steady cedar
Which of these should I upgrade? Is the low pen on the 377 enough to dumpster it?
drifting oak
upgrade both, odds are neither will be a godroll
the blessing pool for mauls is really wide
uncut pebble
What even is the roll for shock mauls?
drifting oak
so it's excessively likely it'll brick
steady cedar
upgrade both, odds are neither will be a godroll
You were saying?
somber axle
Determined or Exe Stance are really important depending on the weapon. Any weapon that doesn't have suppression immunity or such high suppression resistance that it borders on immunity will need one or the other
drifting oak
You were saying?
WELP
sullen scarab
Worth using, even with the low ammo roll? I know the key perks for it are Maniac/Unarmored for breakpoints, so this would meet that requirement, just low ammo roll lol.
uncut pebble
Damn, that's really fkn good.
bitter turtle
Worth using, even with the low ammo roll? I know the key perks for it are Maniac...
helbore has effectively infinite ammo
the ammo roll dont matter
uncut pebble
^
drifting oak
What even is the roll for shock mauls?
skullcrusher + flaniac, second blessing is to taste but I prefer improved stagger buff on hit since it lets you topple enemy ogyrns once it's stacked
sullen scarab
sounds good lmao
uncut pebble
Run with shock trooper and you'll basically be unable to run out of ammo.
bitter turtle
honestly
i dont even think you need to waste a pt on shocktrooper
but yea
if you use it you really cannot run out period
sullen scarab
yeah that's what I figured, I never noticed myself actually running out of ammo with the other ones I had
somber axle
Worth using, even with the low ammo roll? I know the key perks for it are Maniac...
Swap Falter to Weight of Fire, sprinting to Unarmoured if you use Voice of Command, or sprinting to Carapace if you use Executioner's Stance and Focus Target + Redirect Fire
drifting oak
the ammo roll dont matter
ammo roll gives you a slightly bigger magazine for when you need to magdump blind fishing for hitmarkers on specials, but it's so marginal that anythign above like 30% is "plenty"
uncut pebble
I mean, 50ish% ammo is gonna be significantly less shots.
sullen scarab
sounds good thanks guys!
bitter turtle
ammo roll gives you a slightly bigger magazine for when you need to magdump blin...
yeah the clip is more important than running out of ammo
in terms of ammo roll
bitter turtle
but its still hardly something THAT big
uncut pebble
The problem will be the no ammo pickups maelstroms and when you have idiots munching all the ammo.
bitter turtle
dont bring a hb2 to no ammo mael in the first place imo
steady cedar
Probably just feed it to the blessing book though
drifting oak
if you voluntarily play vet on no ammo maelstrom you're a masochist to begin with
austere mica
Swap Falter to Weight of Fire, sprinting to Unarmoured if you use Voice of Comma...
I got the Crusher oneshot to work without Killzone or For the Emperor!
uncut pebble
skullcrusher + flaniac, second blessing is to taste but I prefer improved stagge...
Consider: thrust.
bitter turtle
just bring rashad/knife/psword or something
drifting oak
just play psyker :T
somber axle
sounds good thanks guys!
sullen scarab
I guess I can run this one for the Executioner's stance and Focus Target+Redirect fire
umbral scaffold
mael is doable if youre not given brickhead as teamates
somber axle
Sharing some old info from some clown science I did on numbers testing for Helbore Mk II breakpoints
bitter turtle
lets your dumbass teammates tank an overhead
drifting oak
Consider: thrust.
Not a fan of thrust on the maul tbh, the heavies don't hit THAT hard and I'd rather topple an ogyrn on every heavy than reduce he hits to kill by -1 but then still get trapped by a quad-spawn
also you can knockdown ragers
the extra stagger just does so much work
uncut pebble
Oh, it's every heavy that topples?
uncut pebble
Can you knock ragers out of their combo?
drifting oak
Oh, it's every heavy that topples?
once you get the blessing stacked up yeah it interrupts just about everything
uncut pebble
That's... disgustingly good.
somber axle
Welcomes! The perk you want is talent build dependent
drifting oak
i should probably check in psykanium, and tbh you shouldn't tempt fate
uncut pebble
The one I've got right now is thrust 3 and lightning reflexes 3.
umbral scaffold
Can you knock ragers out of their combo?
if you got riposte weapons that knock them on their asses or back yes
drifting oak
since in teh heat of the moment yo might drop the buff mid charge
drifting oak
but, just genearlly swinging with the stagger-buff-on-hit blessing on maul
sullen scarab
Excellent, then I have one MKII for Shout vet, and one MKII for marksman
uncut pebble
Yeah I know about rev weapons stopping ragers. That isn't anything new.
tall torrent
Consider: thrust.
thrust is bait
drifting oak
anything you melee will just end up on the floor
where you can kill it at your leisure
umbral scaffold
Yeah I know about rev weapons stopping ragers. That isn't anything new.
riposte weapons
that stun them
austere mica
Welcomes! The perk you want is talent build dependent
This can do crusher oneshot
umbral scaffold
thats all or dont hug ragers
drifting oak
that blessing is VERY strong on maul (why is it even on claws, a large buff on nothing is still fucking nothing)
uncut pebble
Who the hell calls them "riposte weapons"?
somber axle
This can do crusher oneshot
NICE!
drifting oak
Who the hell calls them "riposte weapons"?
he means claw parry
austere mica
I can even drop points for supression immunity
uncut pebble
Then just say dclaw parry?
drifting oak
claw parry is so ridiculously stacked, it interrupts pretty much everything and does a gorillion damage
umbral scaffold
Who the hell calls them "riposte weapons"?
me because i dont know the name of the exact weapons that auto riposte on blocked hits with the alt
austere mica
last step is finding Surgical
umbral scaffold
Then just say dclaw parry?
i didnt know it was that weapon
tall torrent
Can you knock ragers out of their combo?
Special, yes
umbral scaffold
i mean you asked
uncut pebble
I was just asking if the shock mauls can knock ragers out of combo by hitting them.
drifting oak
you'd be surprised how many people don't know about the claw parry attack being stupidly strong
tall torrent
other attacks u need +stagger talents/blessings
uncut pebble
No special or anything goofy like that.
drifting oak
I was just asking if the shock mauls can knock ragers out of combo by *hitting* ...
I'm like 80% sure it can once hammerblow is stacked
umbral scaffold
I was just asking if the shock mauls can knock ragers out of combo by *hitting* ...
with the alt ? yes
drifting oak
but I should probably check in psyk
uncut pebble
Just straight bonkage.
tall torrent
No special or anything goofy like that.
no
drifting oak
ehhhhh the alt is dicey because the circumstance where you want to stagger ragers is when there's multiple
somber axle
I guess I can run this one for the Executioner's stance and Focus Target+Redirec...
That one would be perfect yeah! You can swap Poxwalkers to your perk of choice and Infernus to Weight of Fire. Infernus isn't so good for the Helbore Mk II. You'll be killing most things in 1-2 shots and the fire damage is only a slight DPS increase on bosses
tall torrent
but lightning reflexes can stun them when u block their atks
drifting oak
if it's just one rager you can dodge every swing
sullen scarab
That one would be perfect yeah! You can swap Poxwalkers to your perk of choice a...
Niceeee, any preference for the second perk? Or doesn't really matter since you hit every breakpoint with Executioner's is up
steady cedar
Flak+Maniacs the go-to for the double barrel or is it Flak+UA like the normal shotguns?
faint beacon
This can do crusher oneshot
I damn near feel like the Supress immunity is crucial on BP, cause it REALLY hurts being suppressed when using it
drifting oak
suppress immunity is useful period
if you don't take it
you had better have a damn good reason
even if you're going right tree
uncut pebble
Level 22 vet in this damnation mission... here we go.
drifting oak
I would rather drop iron will in mid tree before suppression immunity in left
faint beacon
Guns that either aren't effected by it, or you know how to deal with suppression
thats kinda the two big reasons
tall torrent
suppress immunity is useful period
depends on weapon
drifting oak
okay yeah there are some weapons you can get away with not having it
autopistol lol
uncut pebble
Suppression doesn't do anything if you've got a shotgun or autopistol iirc.
somber axle
Niceeee, any preference for the second perk? Or doesn't really matter since you ...
Could do Elite to alleviate talent point tax pressure to hit the 2HKO easier on Crushers even more and be less dependent on some ranged damage talents to hit so you can put the talent points elsewhere like getting Field Improv or something. Or could do Maniac for better Mutie kills. You will already 1HKO all specials/elites except for Mutie so Maniac could push it to that 1HKO crit headshot breakpoint too
sullen scarab
Perfect, thanks again!
somber axle
Welcomes!
last parcel
or search for bayonet BPs
tall torrent
Suppression doesn't do anything if you've got a shotgun or autopistol iirc.
Combat shotgun, assault shotgun, autopistol, plasma have suppression immunity
Helbore & laspistol have minimal suppression
Everything else have notable accuracy penalty from being suppressed
somber axle
If something is just on the edge of health of a bayonet stab, grab the perk that would push your damage to a 1 shot bayonet kill
tall torrent
Ogryn weapons, flamers & psyker staves also have suppression immunity
sullen scarab
i shall
tall torrent
Because ofc Psyker can’t afford to shoot not straight
sullen scarab
30000 iq move, stabby
tall torrent
uncut pebble
Yeah... that lobby I was just in was awful. The only other level 30 was a knife zealout that instantly dc'd when he went down.
austere pine
absolutely no way a team that only had a singular me to destroy long range managed to win
i don't think i want redirect fire, do i
here's what i'm working with
with a basically perfect chainsword
how do i make room for suppression immunity from this?
austere mica
Sprint cost
last parcel
you could also just use executioner's stance as your suppression resist
austere pine
nah this build is too fat
can't do away with sprint cost
and exe stance is 1. only up so often, even with resets
and 2. it doesn't have immunity, just decreased spread. sway still happens
i wonder how often shock trooper procs
cuz i don't really notice it
but then again do i really need redirect fire
how often can 7.5% damage really come in handy
austere mica
Do you have ammo problems ever
austere pine
yeah but what if it's because shock trooper
i'm gonna see how ass the build is without redirect fire
austere mica
Just run a game without and see what happens
celest cove
Best roll for power sword? Perks and blessings?
austere pine
blessings
sunder and power cycler
perks???
i don't think they matter for power sword
austere mica
Best roll for power sword? Perks and blessings?
Brutal Momentum and Power cycler + Flak and something
celest cove
Reason I ask is shop sold a 373 with tier 4 power cycled and slaughterer
austere pine
safe bet to go for like flak maniac
austere mica
Whatever gets you breakpoints really
austere pine
GET IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW
celest cove
I did
austere pine
PC4 IS INSANELY GOOD AND UNIMAGINABLY RARE
marble mantle
Man it’s hard to make tree
celest cove
This is it
austere pine
really depends on what you like doing
i used to play a support-y solo-ish build with infiltrate
celest cove
So seems like I got lucky
austere pine
where i could just solo but when with teammates i fucked off to go kill specials and elites
steady cedar
Best roll for power sword? Perks and blessings?
Unarmored might be useful on the power sword to help hit Bruiser one-hit BPs.
austere pine
This is it
if you have sunder, change slaughterer to sunder and you're done
marble mantle
I’m definitely gonna use shout but idk like what I’m gonna do. Hard to pick between perfect this and perfect that
austere pine
power up with good finesse gets it
marble mantle
So many great options
austere pine
if shout just stay with teammates
celest cove
Alright, will need to farm it. Actually just hit 30 on vet yesterday
