u know funny part is... i first started with vet when the game came out... got really good at it and then switched and maxed out all other classes and stopped playing vet entirely
#veteran-class
zenith helm
tulip tiger
I was getting ready to say I hate the Mk3s bayonet XD
zenith helm
and now that ive restarted the game, im going through the same thing again
tame lodge
It's also a vertical slash, with a slow charge shot
zenith helm
ive already gotten bored of playing vet
tulip tiger
Psyker is the most fun for me, if the most punishing to mistakes
astral blade
Hey fellas
tulip tiger
slaughterer is considered the meta blessing for PS...
bitter turtle
No it is not
zenith helm
slaughterer was the meta with power cycler back in 2023 when i stopped playing
bitter turtle
Sunder or bromentum
bitter turtle
slaughterer was the meta with power cycler back in 2023 when i stopped playing
Yea it's now not that good
bitter turtle
Like 4th or 5th place
zenith helm
ill look in to it
tulip tiger
oh did brutal replace it?
bitter turtle
thanks for the advice
white minnow
yeah brutal or sunder replaced slaughterer
bitter turtle
Slaughterer is functionally just an inferior bromentum
Sunder clears trash worse but you can left click into elites like ragers without your sword getting stuck
zenith helm
and guns?
bitter turtle
Meta guns?
zenith helm
yes
bitter turtle
Revolver plasma ciag
zenith helm
besides columnus
bitter turtle
Most guns are good enough though
zenith helm
which revolver
frank ether
most guns are good
midnight raptor
Is one variant of PS better than the other or is it just moveset preference
bitter turtle
Is one variant of PS better than the other or is it just moveset preference
Mk6 is preferred
By most
zenith helm
i left around the time with shredder was the meta
lol amazing how everything has changed
bitter turtle
Yeah they nerfed pinning fire
frank ether
shredder/bolter meta ended after pinning fire nerf
zenith helm
good to k now
frank ether
those guns are still pretty viable, just not at the top of meta
bitter turtle
Turns out losing 80% dmg buff killed autopistol
tulip tiger
honestly they need to bring pinning fire back with teh gunner buff
frank ether
and yes you still want pinning fire on them, even after the nerf
astral blade
Hey fellas question what type of weapon would you say the columnus infantry autogun is?
tulip tiger
like what do you mean?
narrow frost
Autogun
tulip tiger
its an autogun
frank ether
I don't know what kind of question this even is
zenith helm
lol
zenith helm
😂
tulip tiger
basically its what star war would call a "slug thrower"
astral blade
Like would you say it’s a spray and pray sort of gun or something else
calm hound
Hey fellas question what type of weapon would you say the columnus infantry auto...
Autogun?
bitter turtle
It has high finesse
frank ether
its a pretty accurate gun
zenith helm
i do both spray and pray and mid-long shooting with it
tulip tiger
its pretty accurate within medium range
calm hound
Like would you say it’s a spray and pray sort of gun or something else
Get good get helbore.
bitter turtle
It's just a generic assault rifle type of gun with a slight emphasis on short range
zenith helm
how is the agra autogun?
tulip tiger
but I wouldnt wanna consistently have to fight elite gunners or snipers at range with it, given the initial snap recoil
zenith helm
have they buffed that or is it still crap
frank ether
^
astral blade
Asking in general what y’all think what each type of gun is since @bitter turtle you said the laspistol is a gun and run sort of weapon
bitter turtle
Except maybe autopistol
tulip tiger
Las are guns too...
astral blade
When I asked for a gun and run sort of weapon
tulip tiger
run and gun would be recon or columnus
bitter turtle
You can slap hit and run on it and charge in
midnight raptor
are knives still a viable melee option
bitter turtle
Like I said it's a generic kinda assault rifle ish gun
fiery wave
And this guy thinks he’s experienced enough to talk balance
tulip tiger
oh 100% certified
fiery wave
L o l
bitter turtle
are knives still a viable melee option
Mk6 knife is top 3 melee imo
astral blade
Ok good to know thanks for answering my question sorry if I didn’t get into more detail earlier with my question
tulip tiger
The sheer mobility alone of knife offsets the few downsides
astral blade
So knife is a weapon that is made for being mobile?
frank ether
being specific with questions helps both parts
tulip tiger
Definitely, it syngergies better with zealot than vet, but vet makes it work too
bitter turtle
Yes, the dmg profile on it kills almost everything as well
It doesn't struggle against any armor type
frank ether
knife is mobile and has cracked single target damage
bitter turtle
Mk6 has passable enough performance against hordes too
tulip tiger
if you aren't good at circle dodging hordes tho, is where you w ill struggle but thats more a mechanical issue
frank ether
I don't think its that difficult with knife
marble mantle
I’m fuckin with the second power sword
tulip tiger
I hadnt realzied they nerfed Slaughterer Azrael, I took a break just before penances hit lol
frank ether
they changed a buncha things
bitter turtle
Oh was it
calm hound
Thunder hammer is best melee for Zelot
bitter turtle
Nvm then
astral blade
Didn’t the thunder hammer get nerfed?
frank ether
thats rough lmao, but funny enough slaughterer is still the third best I think
tulip tiger
Only thing holding ironhelm back is its awful moveset
tulip tiger
I mean, cycler is basically a must, aint it? lol
bitter turtle
Yea
astral blade
Caxe? The heck is that
tulip tiger
combat axe
bitter turtle
Combat axe (rashad)
astral blade
Ohhhh ok thanks
frank ether
rashad is a silly weapon
bitter turtle
It's prolly the strongest well rounded melee
frank ether
boring tbh
calm hound
Stealth is cool too for killing carapas stuff with knife.
frank ether
psword push attack stuff was at least interesting but hard to get excited about it when you can just slap sunder and spam lights like a bozo
astral blade
Ok question about vet stealth does anyone else use infiltrate to gain a moment to see where the hell the priority target at the time is?
tulip tiger
Haha yes
tulip tiger
Gambler it’s great if you are on lights out or vent purge
calm hound
Ok question about vet stealth does anyone else use infiltrate to gain a moment t...
I use it to kill crushers cause it can one hit.
frank ether
what is a priority target lol
tulip tiger
Stealth removing low visibility is so goofy but appreciated
frank ether
if you want to highlight stuff you use executioner stance
bitter turtle
Is ds4 dclaw
tulip tiger
As a vet frankly I find the idea of using my melee on bosses offensive 😂
calm hound
Stealth is good if you are maining special killing
tulip tiger
Unless it’s a cspawn who thinks I’m a chew toy
astral blade
if you want to highlight stuff you use executioner stance
ok let me clarify what I meant by priority target shit like snipers, trappers, ragers and so on
Any high value target
midnight raptor
Mk6 knife is top 3 melee imo
What blessings?
tulip tiger
Yeah I use that on my zealot a lot to line up revolver shots in visibility gambler
Low visibility*
bitter turtle
What blessings?
Uncanny + riposte/flesh tearer/mercy killer/executor/precog
All work
calm hound
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376> ok let me clarify what I meant by priority targ...
Legit just shoot them, stealth is really only good against Ogryns since it does so much damage.
frank ether
you don't need to be invisible to see those, I don't compute
bitter turtle
Just need uncanny for sure
tulip tiger
Flesh tearer and mercy are my go to, but that’s on zealot for piety
frank ether
if visibility is a problem you can spam mark and it will pick specials through hordes
midnight raptor
Just need uncanny for sure
That’s the rending one yeah?
bitter turtle
Yea
midnight raptor
Guess I gotta get more plasters and work on more knives
My current one is flesh tearer lacerate lmao
bitter turtle
Remember that uncanny makes your penetration stat mostly not important
tulip tiger
Guess I gotta get more plasters and work on more knives
If you haven’t finishes the special event you get 4500 plays
bitter turtle
60 pen is enough
tulip tiger
Plas*
bitter turtle
And pls don't use lacerate
midnight raptor
If you haven’t finishes the special event you get 4500 plays
Yeah just need to do more kills
astral blade
🤦🏻♂️ think I’ve being playing to many ghost recon games I forget people don’t use military terminology in this server
frank ether
I don't really have very high opinions of infiltrate so I won't be sugarcoating it for you, the coolest infiltrate use I've seen was someone dropping shredders next to huge ambient packs
calm hound
🤦🏻♂️ think I’ve being playing to many ghost recon games I forget people don’t...
That has nothing to do with it chief.
frank ether
and thats about as complex as infiltrate gets
calm hound
🤦🏻♂️ think I’ve being playing to many ghost recon games I forget people don’t...
You goofy for that.
tulip tiger
Infiltrate is definitely the black sheep but it can clutch pretty good
midnight raptor
I like infiltrate cause I feel like voice is everywhere else and executioners stance just makes me a bit sad
tulip tiger
I just wish it had a more reliable route for cooldown reduction like zealot has access too
Since zealot can build into backstab cd or crit cd reduction
tulip tiger
Tac is only elite specials tho, where as zealot can literally just spam click a horde for a few seconds and instantly have stealth back
slow spade
smoothest auric UwU
bitter turtle
Only specials actually
fiery wave
Game can’t put enough pressure on melee to put a good player with a psword in danger
It’s damage is also significantly overtuned
tulip tiger
Oh shit yeah I don’t know why I thought it counted elites too bummer
fiery wave
smoothest auric UwU
How did 7 people die when only 1.6k spawn
bitter turtle
Both psword and caxe kill 4 in one swing
Obv the one that doesn't need to charge every 3 swing kill faster
Psword kills crusher faster tho
Fwiw
I guess
frank ether
I had a player die 9 times on new map
shadow aurora
Veterans what are we thinking about new shock maul?
fiery wave
Can do some silly things with the block stun
frank ether
they're cool, hadron won't let me play with them as I'd like
marble mantle
Does anyone know how tall you can be and still fit behind cover?
tulip tiger
The stagger stun is kinda fun too
shadow aurora
https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-105861295107727028...
The sped up ogryn
marble mantle
I feel like way too short when I pick the shortest option
tulip tiger
I really like that you can set up a horizontal cleave loop with it
fiery wave
It’s currently bugged so if you just spam block you will instant stun everything
faint beacon
missclick mb
tulip tiger
most reliable way i've had to queue up the cleave loop is sprint heavy, then light heavy alternating
narrow frost
missclick mb
bitter turtle
I think ps kill crushers faster too no?
faint beacon
god I love those gifs
tulip tiger
it does if cycled
narrow frost
https://tenor.com/view/hakandbobr-darktide-hak-gif-4835721721778289528
@celest salmon this you?
bitter turtle
My rashad need 3 swings at least
narrow frost
rachad
faint beacon
incoherent tide gifs
fiery wave
it does if cycled
Why would you not cycle it
bitter turtle
Ah ok
frank ether
I don't think you understand the average vet main azreal
tulip tiger
I played a match with a vet who never once cycled his PS....
celest salmon
<@555540768782024736> this you?
yes
tulip tiger
the inverse is I've also played a match with a vet who kept doing special chainsword and getting dumpstered cause of it XD
fiery wave
I have seen some players play melee only vet and top a mil damage consistently
Because the psword is overtuned
frank ether
easy to pad damage on psword
midnight totem
I just like power swords
tulip tiger
I feel like that would be like queueing up as zealot then proceedin to only shoot
bitter turtle
1m dmg has nothing to do with strong or weak
shadow aurora
I feel like psword is fine tbh. Power cycler is the issue
frank ether
also sometimes you get teams that can't pull a lever to save their lives
bitter turtle
That just mean your team was shit at advancing lol
frank ether
and the psword vet goes ''time to spam m1 on this door for the next 10 minutes''
midnight totem
Schwing. Shvroom. Schwing.
fiery wave
also sometimes you get teams that can't pull a lever to save their lives
The pub experience
tulip tiger
Just doing my part to depopulate the underhive sir.
I wanna like the chainaxe, I just can't stand its moveset.
tulip tiger
barely
frank ether
I havent tested anything
frank ether
I mean
sturdy zephyr
Recon got buffed?whats new?
frank ether
literally every single bullet critting was
tulip tiger
Autoguns
Lowered the amount of hits that do increased damage on a critical hit string:
Columbus Mk V Autoguns from 4 to 3
Braced Autoguns from 3 to 2.
frank ether
indeed strong
fleet garden
did columnus mk5 get nerfed=
tulip tiger
I linked the notes above Chey.
bitter turtle
did columnus mk5 get nerfed=
Slightly yes
fleet garden
still best I guess
tulip tiger
yeah
fiery wave
Still the best iag
frank ether
here I am playing agriag meme veteran with no deadshot
tulip tiger
and it still pumps on psyker
fiery wave
It’s still #2
frank ether
I made a build that one taps all ranged enemies but the problem is hitreg
tulip tiger
#giveogrynaplasmacannon
frank ether
It really miffs me when I go tap tap tap on a line of gunners and 2 of the hits don't register
tulip tiger
Honestly I'd put plasma over revovler simply for the better ammo economy and better at clearing entire packs
tulip tiger
Thats why I say its ammo economy is prolly still technically better than revolver since your per shot is more imapct
^impact
frank ether
most of the times there is more than enough ammo but the problem is its spread around in wrong places
fiery wave
most of the times there is more than enough ammo but the problem is its spread a...
Yeah the gunker took it all
tulip tiger
since you can two to three pump an entire pack of ragers or gunners
frank ether
Yeah the gunker took it all
small price to pay for no smyker in my lobby tbh
I kneel for gunkers
agrip is underrated
I wouldn't say its this ''hidden op gem'' or anything
but its not this low tier garbage gun everyone pretends it to be
tulip tiger
only thing holding agrippa back for most players is the fuck awful alt fire
frank ether
I think the only issues I have with it is how hard suppression destroys my aim
its one talent point to fix I guess
tulip tiger
Does executioner make your aim snap?
bitter turtle
It's a decent gun
faint beacon
We promise the Zarona is NOT strong at all
pinky promise
Crosses le fingers behind back
bitter turtle
I find it annoying any time you talk about agrvolver
frank ether
the other problem is well, it does suck up a ton of ammo
frank ether
yeh, classic
faint beacon
Zarona completely overshadows it
bitter turtle
And how it's not zarona
faint beacon
its why and its depressing
frank ether
I think at this point nerfing zarona would be doing a service to mental health of this community
its living rent free on everyone's mind
tulip tiger
Then what wold all the rat zealots do when they get caught out in the middle of no where against armor packs? XD
faint beacon
Then what wold all the rat zealots do when they get caught out in the middle of ...
erm... die
frank ether
Also on another note I want it to go back to being a gun people use because its cool not because its op
fleet garden
will do for now
frank ether
you use agrippa because its the funny cool high noon gun
tulip tiger
Oh shit that aint bad
bitter turtle
I think agri is just a balanced zarona ngl
frank ether
most ppl use zarona because its busted as heck
tall torrent
I think at this point nerfing zarona would be doing a service to mental health o...
nerfing zarona is simple rly
midnight totem
It's cool and op
faint beacon
I think agri is just a balanced zarona ngl
Thats why I like it
tulip tiger
Tho if i could have I woulda dropped infernus for dumdum
faint beacon
Its cool
tall torrent
make always prepared (WS subnode) stop rounding up
midnight totem
I just want a reliable way to snipe gunners
tall torrent
midnight totem
That's all my zarona really needs to do
frank ether
nerfing zarona is simple rly
I'd rather take away some of the pen, but maybe thats me. Stupid high pen is what plas/zarona have in common so I sense a pattern there.
Its almost like, high cleave/pen is really overpowered in a horde game or something
I guess part of the issue there is how good surgical is
compared to other crit blessings
with weapon spec shenanigans or in general?
I mean I use agrippa anyway so my choice is not surgical for dakka reasons alone
bitter turtle
Wep spec to keep 1 bullet in chamber prob
frank ether
but funny enough I don't run WS on agrippa
bitter turtle
At least I use ft
frank ether
I don't think ws is that great on agri
I think you want focus mark to abuse the borked unyielding modifier
tall torrent
I'd rather take away some of the pen, but maybe thats me. Stupid high pen is wha...
plasma imo
uncharged: cleave nerf to 6 (from 100), ammo cost nerf to 4 (from 3)
charged: ammo cost buff to 6 (from 9)
bitter turtle
It doesn't need ws anyway
frank ether
Yeh, rate of fire is pretty high
bitter turtle
With the reload being all at once
tulip tiger
lol
frank ether
but for the MASSIVE head of a pogryn its tight enough at any realistic range
monstros have massive heads
except dhost
tulip tiger
I think the biggest thing for plasma is it has way too easy of an animation skip reload
frank ether
but we dont talk about dhost, its horrible design
iron marten
More voicelines to hear cadians trashtalking other vets for reloading then :p
frank ether
lmao
bitter turtle
I think the biggest thing for plasma is it has way too easy of an animation skip...
Plasma doesn't reload during fights most of the time anyway
frank ether
I feel like this may have a bit to do with revolver bullet magnetism no?
bitter turtle
Well yeah
tulip tiger
i mean it is kinda dumb that plasma basically has 50% of its entire ammo in one clip
midnight totem
More voicelines to hear cadians trashtalking other vets for reloading then :p
I'm not worried. Those reloads will happen eventually. Cadia won't though
iron marten
haha
tulip tiger
Nah that'd be wild, 1/3 mag size and ammo nerf would be a bit much
tall torrent
might as well just go the +ammo cost route then
achieves more or less the same thing
tulip tiger
Ammo reserve should be different per class before talents
All our toughness values are different at level 1.
tall torrent
Ammo reserve should be different per class before talents
not necessary tbh
it's not a class intrinsic thing
having super limited ammo but very powerful sounds cool but I think that should be like
a different plasma variant, perhaps
tulip tiger
Wish they'd give us a hellgun
tall torrent
so u get options between less power (still powerful) and extreme power
shadow dagger
i had a 4k pov on a vet using his last krak to aggro an ambient crusher pack in a maelstrom
we did indeed wipe that run
grim widget
what is the minmum thermal resistance should be on plasma gun?
last parcel
i saw a vet shoot next the dh every time on lights out so they’d stand up and provide light 
tulip tiger
Thermal resistance isnt too big of a deal.
cause typically we don't overcharge
overcharge is how you go boom
grim widget
so which of these two has the better stats?
tulip tiger
I'd say roll them both and see which one hadron hates you more on
copper barn
Near perfect if it weren’t for that pesky infested enemies perk. Could be much worse tho, considering this a W.
Took a decent chunk of my plasteel tho.
So many trashed double barrels…
tulip tiger
Near perfect if it weren’t for that pesky infested enemies perk. Could be much w...
Nice, I swear infested or groaner damage is like the white elephant of guns for me
copper barn
I honestly get infested a lot of the time.
Just gotta wait until I ditch the game for Space Marin- I mean patiently wait for the super awesome weapon itemization rework.
Then it will be perfect.
Had to trash eight double barrels before I could get IV FB. Not fun.
tulip tiger
Makes you feel any better, I've still yet to get Power Cycler IV lol
copper barn
That’s pretty rough man. I’ll pray to the Omnissiah for your deliverance.
I got lucky and rolled a damn good power sword with power cycler IV like a month into playing the game and just never replaced it.
Sometimes you just get lucky.
tulip tiger
Game gave me a 380 bolt pistol when I bought only one to test it
Now I just gotta decide if im ever gonna use bolt pistol XD
copper barn
Doesn’t feel right to use the bolt pistol without the commissar drip so I don’t use it.
It also sounded pretty underwhelming.
tulip tiger
Its not the greatest, but definitely usable
copper barn
Sounds about right.
tulip tiger
it just suffers from what most pistols suffer from in that its no zarona
copper barn
Its not the greatest, but definitely usable
Me with my trusty lasgun when I feel silly.
tulip tiger
which is more predicated on it being overtuned
Recons kinda feel good again
with latest patch
copper barn
Still have my trusty kantrael for whenever I queue into a modifier where there’s no ammo pickups.
It’s still fun to use but you need to invest quite a bit for it to be useable.
tulip tiger
kinda like the kantrael laspistol
hot pilot
Crafted this but new to bolt pistol, I'm guessing crit -> maniac and gloryhunter -> deadly accurate?
copper barn
Laspistol is still my go to for gunker.
A lotta fun just blasting things like you’re a dollar store Solo.
tulip tiger
Yeah prolly sharu
copper barn
Bolt pistol looking good so far
near sable
deadly accurate + executioner
tulip tiger
Comes down to preference on exe vs surgical
if you are running exectioners stance definitely exe
marble mantle
Is the second Power Sword ever a particularly good boss destroyer? I got really used to using the evis and I haven’t found anything melee wise yet that feels as strong.
Makes sense since zealot is more melee focused, but worth the ask anyway.
tulip tiger
Power sword reliably fights against a lot of stuff in a pinch
marble mantle
Bet, it’s felt pretty good against hordes and specials so far, and it’s not even really built yet, just a random blue
tulip tiger
Wait till you get power cycler IV on it
The 2 additional energized hits is a game changer
I'm sadly still stuck at 1 energized hit cause hadron hates me lol
hybrid prawn
how does this work with new shotgun
do i always get 10% crit when i blast both shot?
topaz lance
if you are running exectioners stance definitely exe
Why's that?
tulip tiger
the reductions will let you more reliable weakspot hit
topaz lance
the reductions will let you more reliable weakspot hit
Ah you mean one tap?
tulip tiger
Its more than one tap, where as without exe stance you'd prolly be better off with surgical since you gotta take your time with shots
tall torrent
do i always get 10% crit when i blast both shot?
Pretty much
topaz lance
Its more than one tap, where as without exe stance you'd prolly be better off wi...
I have been running this with the bolt pistol and am still not sure about the blessings, I really like surgical + Deadshot for almost guaranteed criticals
ups lol
drifting oak
wait, did recons get buffed?
tulip tiger
I just ran mine with puncture and execution because thats what it spawned with, but I like it on my build which is kinda close to yours
Yes, balista.
shadow aurora
wait, did recons get buffed?
Yes
drifting oak
eyes.jpg
tulip tiger
Tho i don't have always prepared and on your toes in my build
tulip tiger
So i could get superiority complex
topaz lance
I just ran mine with puncture and execution because thats what it spawned with, ...
Not gonna lie if they slightly buff the bolt pistol by giving it a bit of cleave it might just become my favorite weapon
But for now the AGri shotty is actually better with the same build imo
tulip tiger
You can kinda get "some" cleave with it off lethal prox but its really not worth it
Lethal Proximity
Near shots also causes an Explosion. In addition, the Explosion Radius is increased by +10-25%
basically turns the bolter rounds into proxy fuses lol
topaz lance
Lethal Proximity
Near shots also causes an Explosion. In addition, the Explosion...
Yeah another way to make the gun more interesting is to buff the explosion damage
Hard to balance I assume though
tulip tiger
They really need to give boltgun the lethal proximity blessing too
It might actually be worth it on it XD
shadow aurora
Hipfire mag dump or bust
tulip tiger
yeah its just dumb that the bolt pistol has more and arguably better blessings
but could you imagine bolt gun with exectioner ANd pinning fire lol
topaz lance
Hipfire mag dump or bust
Meh, if you want CC on a vet, use shredder nades or even VoC
topaz lance
Ok you do you!
I'd advise not going above Heresy with that approach though
tulip tiger
I think they may be an ogryn in disguise.
topaz lance
YOU'll annoy everone by stealing all the ammo
topaz lance
I think they may be an ogryn in disguise.
hehe
tulip tiger
God thats my biggest complaint with gunker, greedy little goblins eat all the ammo lol
shadow aurora
I think they may be an ogryn in disguise.
In disguise? I never said i wasnt
I am just
tulip tiger
Well now your cover is blown, no rations for you sah.
shadow aurora
Small
tulip tiger
Anyways, think im gonna go grab some poptarts and pass out its 3 am, have a goodun y'all
fleet garden
9 am, havent slept yet
near sable
tough tiger
maybe replace glory and sprint?
fleet garden
this slaps
frank ether
only dumdum 3, bricked
plain escarp
is this still good after all the patches? Haven't been on for a year. I am looking for a good ranged weapon but idk any except shredder auto pistol
soft island
locks getting removeddd!!!!
but also we don't know if we'll keep our gear (and I believe they implied raising the cap for stats so we might have to grind regardless)
soft island
is this still good after all the patches? Haven't been on for a year. I am looki...
Should do you fine.
soft island
Yes we do know we will keep our gear
I don't remember reading that, my bad
soft island
They said so
I just reread the introductory devblog and I'm not getting that from it, is it mentioned somewhere else?
soft island
Shout is still shouting
forest scaffold
Still no hp damage when gold toughness is up?
fiery wave
On discord she said it
plain escarp
rashad?
soft island
Still no hp damage when gold toughness is up?
Si
plain escarp
oh right
soft island
which is still best axe
plain escarp
but I should be good with my power sword right?
soft island
On discord she said it
Ah, then I'll never find it, lmao
plain escarp
but I don't know what gun to pair it with
soft island
but I should be good with my power sword right?
Yes, power sword is great.
forest scaffold
but for all intents and purposes, you can trade them out equally
soft island
Power sword is more offensive, axe is more defensive (mobile)
pallid jetty
why is everyone saying "my sword" or "my vet"? they all are the same no?
plain escarp
no need to be philosphical
pallid jetty
i really dont get it
plain escarp
i really dont get it
It's all different operatives
soft island
I just wanna know what gun I should use
Metawise, plasma. Or plasma. Maybe... plasma. You could also take plasma.
plain escarp
and what skills, talents
soft island
and what skills, talents
Voice of Command is the big one
plain escarp
and what do I want on my plasma gun? Nothing in sir velks shop right now
soft island
well VoC + that one talent that gives you cooldown refresh on elite kills
pallid jetty
special kills*
soft island
Yes, that one
sharp epoch
columbus autogun
fleet garden
columnus mk5
pallid jetty
columbine autogun yay
soft island
I mean, there are many viable options, some of them pretty strong, but plasma is plasma
fleet garden
I made this, nothing perfect but it slaps aurics
sharp epoch
plasmas pretty strong cause its so ammo efficient
if im using an off meta weapon like lawbringer i run out in 1 minute
soft island
ammo efficient + kills everything that isn't a horde
I can ammo dump with plasma on a boss and do the most damage on them + still have easily half my ammo
sharp epoch
the scav nerf literally just made the strongest option stronger and the weakest options weaker
soft island
yeah, lol, of the weapons that got shafted by the scav nerf, none of them were the meta ones.
sharp epoch
IM SICK OF PLASMA I WANNA BE ABLE TO USE AGRI AND RUN N GUN AGAIN
fleet garden
use agri mk1 or columnus mk5
sharp epoch
nah the unscoped one is funner
its just not viable anymore since they nerfed counterfire survivabillity that and the ammo nerf
soft island
IM SICK OF PLASMA I WANNA BE ABLE TO USE AGRI AND RUN N GUN AGAIN
Nobody is stopping you
be the change you want to see
sharp epoch
Nobody is stopping you
yes running out of ammo and being shredded by shooters is stopping me 😔
sharp epoch
back in the good old days of vet you could actually deal with shooters with your gun only
now vets best playstyle is support zealot 2.0
bitter turtle
Agri what
Autogun?
If you're running out of ammo with an iag you are not playing well
sharp epoch
i forgot the name but the hipfired one
soft island
back in the good old days of vet you could actually deal with shooters with your...
yeah but doing that with a braced autogun is absolutely not balanced
bitter turtle
If you're running out with a brauto you are also not playing well
I'm doing am and histg new map with a recon with 2/3rds of my dmg coming from my gun
sharp epoch
meh psykers have infinite ammo and aoe i think vet should have at least enough ammo to not have to melee 50% of their enemies
sharp epoch
yeah i have good aim
soft island
meh psykers have infinite ammo and aoe i think vet should have at least enough a...
Vet isn't as squishy as psyker
sharp epoch
"ranged" vet is or counterfire vet
id say counterfire vet is even squishier
psyker atleast has very good toughness regen
soft island
I mean even without VoC you can still stack a ton of defense perks that do a lot to keep you alive
Toughness regen doesn't matter when you get dropped before regen matters, and that's generally how psyker plays. Extremely glass cannon, the infinite ammo makes sense imo.
sharp epoch
vets toughness regen is either shooting headshot kills or elites/specials kills its not as reliable as psyker
counterfire vet literally drops just as fast their only damage resist is iron will which u lose after a single hit
bitter turtle
meh psykers have infinite ammo and aoe i think vet should have at least enough a...
soft island
That absolutely is pretty reliable though, at least on damnation you won't have any trouble with that. It's not Psyker regen, but again Psyker regen is just regen
bitter turtle
over half my dmg comes from gun in these games
and i also take much less ammo than others
if you can aim its not an issue
if you want more i have plenty of scoreboards showing the same thing
soft island
if you can aim its not an issue
What gun tho?
soft island
Becuz I think their point is that certain guns have ammo issues
bitter turtle
1st one was agri shotgun
soft island
which is fair
bitter turtle
Becuz I think their point is that certain guns have ammo issues
theyre using agri brauto
it should not be a problem
unless you're trying to play gun only revolver
its not going to be a problem
sharp epoch
I think veteran should have a gun only build tbh just like psyker
soft island
Yeah, I don't think the braced agri has ammo issues
sharp epoch
I see some psykers not even use their melee in some runs
soft island
I think veteran should have a gun only build tbh just like psyker
Can I introduce you to our lord and savior the plasma
bitter turtle
even staff psyker should be using their melee unless they are bad players
they have some of the best melee in the game
weapons
soft island
I see some psykers not even use their melee in some runs
Either those are goated psykers or bad psykers, lol
sharp epoch
they use it to poke a mutie then back to staff usually
sharp epoch
or just to dodge
bitter turtle
how i use my melee in those game lol
soft island
Well yes
bitter turtle
just to poke mutants and crushers coming at me
soft island
That's how psyker plays
bitter turtle
which is exactly how staff psyker + deimos plays
sharp epoch
I know, but veteran has to use their melee to kill everything that gets near
soft island
You can get vet to be mostly ranged too
bitter turtle
no you literally dont
sharp epoch
gun only vet should be a thing
bitter turtle
i had
100k melee dmg
and 300k gun dmg
in the first SS
im shooting literally 75% of the time
no a staff psyker does not have 0 melee dmg
soft island
I don't think there's a class/build in the game that can completely ignore melee without the player being godly
sharp epoch
They have like less than 10k sometimes my friend mains trauma staff
soft island
They have like less than 10k sometimes my friend mains trauma staff
So?
sharp epoch
So I'm saying veteran should have a build that plays like that as the other ranged class
soft island
A player can absolutely be covered by their team too.
bitter turtle
yeah you can play badly and only shoot and never melee like a bad staff psyker too
smitekers never doing anything except smite
or someone spamming their purg staff on a mutant running at them
you can do that with vet too
its just bad
but you can do it
soft island
well, idk about the smiteker being bad in effectiveness, lol
sharp epoch
it is effective
bitter turtle
the only game
games
i get 1m+ dmg in
is with multiple smitekers
because they dont fucking do anything to advance teh game
sharp epoch
it gets wins but it slows down the game
bitter turtle
im not saying smite is bad btw
im saying LITERALLY ONLY USING SMITE is bad
you have 2 other weapons
that do a lot more dmg
soft island
Multiple smitekers sure
bitter turtle
smiting a pack of elites that surprised the group -> good
smiting a pack of poxwalkers instead of just fucking killing them waiting for your teammates to do something about it -> please stop
sharp epoch
the last two games I played in auric had 3 smite bubble psykers
soft island
im saying LITERALLY ONLY USING SMITE is bad
Not really, excluding bosses smite does so much for the team and empowered psionics can cause it to at least do some damage. Using only smite and letting your teammates do work is valid, if boring.
soft island
Of course, if there are other smiters around then yeah, use a staff/gun/whatever
sharp epoch
to me its a way for bad players to help better players and for them to keep up in auric+
bitter turtle
i have seen similar sentiments echoed by good players in here too
soft island
i have seen similar sentiments echoed by good players in here too
Lol, that's an appeal to popularity/authority
bitter turtle
i already explained the logic of why it is bad
its an addendum
not my main point
soft island
I mean, you did, but only for multiple smiters
bitter turtle
ok
if you have a trauma staff
or a purg staff
or literally anything
explain the point of smiting a bunch of poxwalkers instead of you know
killing them
frank ether
im saying LITERALLY ONLY USING SMITE is bad
Almost like peril is not a real resource and its the underlying problem or something something
soft island
Well, for one, you could absolutely do a surge/smite/dueling sword build and not have a thing for hordes other than smite
bitter turtle
even if your weapons aren tideal for hordes
doing some dmg is better than doing fuck all
soft island
Empowered psionics does let smite do damage on hordes though
bitter turtle
if anything it slows everything down
sharp epoch
Almost like peril is not a real resource and its the underlying problem or somet...
Psykers effectively having infinite ammo makes them so much better than vet at the ranged aspect of their classes
bitter turtle
bc now the hordes dont clump up as much
bitter turtle
i dont need anyone to stun the harmless trash
again
pack of rager ambush the team -> yse smiting them is fine and good
literally just poxwalkers -> no its not helping
soft island
empowered psionics smite makes it work though? You keep ignoring that point
sharp epoch
i think the main thing is the ease of use, like if theyre whiffing their trauma shots theyre better off holding smite
soft island
it does not make it nearly as good as you think it is
It makes it the best option in a dueling sword/surge/smite build
bitter turtle
literally using any weapon kill faster than that shit
sharp epoch
its a way for bad players to punch above their weight its still effective cause its like a multiplier to their teammates, but just not the best way to play psyker
soft island
literally using any weapon kill faster than that shit
As someone that literally uses empowered psionics smite to kill hordes, you're... just wrong? Lol, idk how to tell you this but empowered psionics smite may be delayed but when it starts killing it wipes everything it was touching at once, meaning it tends to do a lot more than appears at first glance.
grand perch
i do?
soft island
Dueling sword/surge staff is absolutely doing way less than an empowered smite for a horde
For unempowered smite though... eh, I haven't crunched those numbers so you could be right.
sharp epoch
my friend used to run surge smite
sharp epoch
then I got her hooked on trauma
soft island
my friend used to run surge smite
Oh, and another thing to note is this is mainly after that big buff to empowered psionics.
...whenever that happened. Somewhere in the last 6 months...
sharp epoch
so there was a buff and then a nerf and then another small buff
grand perch
kinda but after eating the impossible burger
so somehow BJ joined the fascists/imperium, dang
soft island
but yes I'm talking about the current state of things
sharp epoch
I thought EP was trash now, I guess its alr then
soft island
It's specific.
You can also add venting shriek on top and just clean house with soulfire talents and smite, smite really helps with spreading the soulfire it seems to me
bitter turtle
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uploading
its literally
not any faster
thban just spamming heavy with ds4
smiting 10 dreg bruiser
lavish ferry
play the knife psyker then
soft island
smiting 10 dreg bruiser
I thought we were talking poxwalkers though? Yeah, it struggles on its own the moment the trash is a bit less trashy, I don't disagree.
I don't disagree with just spamming smite, though. Yeah, maybe you can be more effective in other ways, but that's also true of everyone not sporting VoC and plasma.
bitter turtle
I thought we were talking poxwalkers though? Yeah, it struggles on its own the m...
ds4 literally just spamming lights vs 20 poxwalkers - 9 seconds
smite using and empowered charge - 8 seconds
from what i just did
i think id rather do the one that doesnt build half my peril and cost a resource
if u want i can upload it too but i am lazy after i cancelled the dreg bruiser one lol
soft island
i think id rather do the one that doesnt build half my peril and cost a resource
Peril can regen toughness tho
Useful in actual combat, and sometimes you even want to build peril for specific stuff
bitter turtle
your original premise was that nothing else comes close to killing horde speed of smite in a ds4/surge build
not that there is small ptoential benefits to having high peril
if you want to say that
soft island
your original premise was that nothing else comes close to killing horde speed o...
No?
bitter turtle
then ill say ds4 spamming lights into a horde primes up your uncanny stacks better so you can stab elites when they show up
soft island
My original premise was that smite is a valid option for horde clear in a dueling sword/surge/smite build
bitter turtle
w/e i was in the middle of editing these two clips together but idc anymore, do what you want, i still dont want smitekers in my games
soft island
and it increases in efficiency as there are more enemies, whereas dueling sword/surge doesn't. Go from 20 pox to 40 and smite will perform even better in comparison.
soft island
w/e i was in the middle of editing these two clips together but idc anymore, do ...
Cool.
soft island
wait, this guy wants to use smite to actually kill?
"Wants" is a strong word.
runic peak
Trying to figure out a lasgun/ghost build for the new mission, because damn ranged is death atm, anyone got any decent ideas?
Here's the current idea
Though I think maybe swap out Salvo for Between the Eyes on the lasgun, then I can drop Determined for Marksman
Maybe swap out that stamina curio for more toughness or health, or maybe even an extra wound
soft island
You could try drawing them to you with smokes, but then you wouldn't really be using ghost I guess
runic peak
Yeah and tbh the big arena in the middle I'm not sure how effective smokes will be
The one with the timed bits, gunners on all sides
Tbh Kill Zone is probably useless at this point
Could swap that with Opening Salvo
And maybe drop Tunnel Vision? That doesn't work during combat anyway right?
Maybe something like this for the talents?
coral willow
chat would this work
seems like survivalist is the only upgrade node that doesnt override its unupgraded counterpart
last parcel
seems like survivalist is the only upgrade node that doesnt override its unupgra...
didn't they remove that in path of redemptoin
coral willow
didn't they remove that in path of redemptoin
least according to bots
it gave me 3 bolter shots
when i had survivalist
ill need to test with this horrendous build though
any recommendations?
last parcel
any recommendations?
what about chainsword ciag
coral willow
hm.
might work
also i need to get a vet with survivalist
smh
anyway if it does stack and give +1.75% per 5 second
this can be huge
even if it means me being way weaker
coral willow
didn't they remove that in path of redemptoin
so if you havw survivalist
bot's scavanger aura still shows up
and ticks separate
iirc survivalists dont do that with eachother
benediction least overrides the default aura
runic peak
Beginning to think Marksman's Focus isn't all that great
last parcel
it helps if you dont skip iron will
sinful jacinth
Beginning to think Marksman's Focus isn't all that great
Standing still in this game is just generally bad. Not just for dodging purpose but keeping up with your team.
runic peak
Yep, that's what I'm finding
Atm I'm also finding that having Ghost is good, when there's a good squad keeping things from hitting me
last parcel
you get 6 seconds to move after a headshot kill
dire olive
3secs after just hitting a head
runic peak
Because I really want to just pick off gunners etc constantly 😄
sinful jacinth
Yes, that's all good and well. But there are patches with no mobs. Then you lose all your stacks. Which feels bad.
runic peak
Yep, switched to this for now to see how this feels
dire olive
Eh, they're not that hard to get back
runic peak
Although I might drop Shock Trooper/Superiority for Competitive/Target Down
2.5% in Hi-Intensity I imagine is triggered constantly
coral willow
2.5% in Hi-Intensity I imagine is triggered constantly
never used it myself
thick kestrel
Beginning to think Marksman's Focus isn't all that great
yeah, I think a large part of it is it's a little counter intuiative. its less good for high precision sniping weapons and better for high RoF guns like IAGs and Recon Lasguns
for precision ranged stuff mark target actually seems to work better as it's a way to help restore stamina when using deadshot on a high crit single shot gun :>
but marksman's focus on a CIAG? surprisingly decent
dire olive
MF great on a laspistol too
thick kestrel
yarp :>
it works better with a high RoF gun which can just score multiple head hits quickly and keep hitting heads to sustain the bonus rather than standing still at all
thick kestrel
aye sadly not, on the Kantreal lasguns I think you want mark target. combine it with either VoC or Exestance and take the good shooty nodes and combine them with the super utility nodes on the mark target line
tame void
so whats the general opinion on the smoke bomb
thick kestrel
this is my "counter shooter" loadout for trying to play sniper/shooty. it's been going mostly ok? REALLY wish I had a couple of more points handy to nab a bit more utility admittedly ^^
marble yew
What's considered the go to blessings for the bolt pistol? i would imagine maybe deadly accurate and surgical 🤔
thick kestrel
so whats the general opinion on the smoke bomb
pretty good! they're kind of starting to come into their own as a solid utility tool since they fixed it's interactions with various shooters.
kind of like a blitz version of the Psykers Bubble shield.
thick kestrel
What's considered the go to blessings for the bolt pistol? i would imagine maybe...
yeah, surgical + deadly accurate combined with Maniac + Elite seems to be the solid hand-cannon combo
marble yew
cool, maybe i can make this work, i am stuck with 5% crit but its not too bad
maybe change flak to maniac to kill mutants faster instead
thick kestrel
it does pretty chunky damage :>
dire olive
I kind of hate that surg/DA is the combo when the hipfire is so fun
thick kestrel
it's big party trick is that it can one shot headshot ragers and 1 shot bodyshot both gunners without too much investment
last parcel
maybe change flak to maniac to kill mutants faster instead
mutants arent really a concern for shooting
maniac gives flamer oneshot headshot for non executioners stance builds
marble yew
i always roll the shout build instead
maybe just keep flak and reroll proximity into surgical
last parcel
then maniac will serve you well
thick kestrel
yeah, it'll wipe the floor with a ton of priority targets while still being a bit more flexable than the revolver for prolonged firefights.
it's not strictly as good as the Zarona revovler... but it's still pretty damn good
and has the upside of being better in a prolonged ranged fight thanks to the magazine reloads.
considering the new map that's far from a bad thing
marble yew
2 headshots = dead crusher if i mark him first with focus target
gotta crit though but almost always happens with surgical and 5% crit
thick kestrel
aye, more so if you can mix in deadshot, which also helps with the bolt pistols handling overall
faster scaling for crits off of surgical (starting at 35% I think?) less sway when aiming down sights too
it's definitely not a "dead" perk
so yeah, get surgical and maniac damage on there and you're going to be happy enough for now while you work on making the "perfect" one later :>
marble yew
its so close to perfect i think ill chill with trying to get a better one, 380 stats, got the blessings i want, only one bad thing which isnt really that bad since it synergizes with perk is the 5% crit 
maybe when i become a darktide billionaire
thick kestrel
^^
yeah, it's mostly that ranged elite damage being nice to push you closer to some instant kills, I wouldn't stress too much on it
quick burrow
you guyst hink recon las are = iag now?
dire olive
They're different
wanton sage
What are good perks/blessings for new shotgun
dire olive
IAG is much more damage still
Recons have accuracy and ammo
They're still not peak tbh but much more useable
coral willow
recommend sstuff to use with this build
now that i learned that for some fucking reason scavanger is the only base aura that can stack with the upgrade aura
i will now abuse it to its fullest extent
which means this is like the most scuffed vet build ever
last parcel
volley fire
coral willow
volley fire <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
cant take any auras
so might as well
which means i waste 7 points
that sucks
like least zealot let me do it within the boundaries of an aura
vet cant
thick kestrel
How can I improve this? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
thrust is an option if you do lots of heavy attacks though I think it's less useful on the shock mauls compared to the folding shovels?
I put Skullcrusher on mine and it seems to work rather nicely combined with high voltage.
the amount of stagger on the mauls is delightful so it gets the use out of it pretty quickly, particularly if you like using the Taser special
coral willow
How can I improve this? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
keep hv, OF either changes to LR or SC
i dont think thrust actually does anything for the newfangled mace
thick kestrel
mhmm, the electrocuted effect and skullcrusher kind of stack nicely
hollow warren
thrust is an option if you do lots of heavy attacks though I think it's less use...
I do enjoy heavy attacks, got a similar shock maul (Saul?) on my Zealot
coral willow
spamming heavy does more damage and scullcrusher while not reliable(mace has bad stagger on heavy elites) still does 80% damage
thick kestrel
^^
hollow warren
I mean... Oggies got Paul. The little ones got Saul
thick kestrel
yeah, hit a heavy with the taser special when you can and both high voltage and skull crusher kick in. works decently well as a way to handle individual crushers and bulwarks pretty safely
and if you've got someone else with some proper can-opening melee in the team (ogryns with the new picks for example) turning enemies into sitting ducks for their big silly overhead attacks is just useful :>
follow in your big man's wake tasering all before him and laugh
hollow warren
so I've tested it out with Thrust and with Skullcrusher. If I electrocute and then follow up with heavy attacks, I need 3 swings to down a crusher either way
but HV + SC does more damage than HV + Thrust
would be nice to unlock SC IV
thick kestrel
also worth checking how skullcrusher helps out with bruisers and pox walkers?
hollow warren
also worth checking how skullcrusher helps out with bruisers and pox walkers?
oh yeah, poxers and groaners get demolished with light attacks
this will definitely be a great hoard clearing tool
though I do have power swords with PC4, I grow tired of that weapon sometimes
coral willow
good luck with getting tier 4 SC
i used to doheavy-light repeat for hordes
but brisers block the cleave
spamming light is good tho
thick kestrel
heh... you know those missions where you've done a quickplay and realise that you're heading into a high intensity shock troop gauntlet in the middle of going sideways?
just had one of those on the power matrix and "almost" got there despite players quitting constantly
really am getting tired of people bailing the moment things look like they're going to go south -_-
like... I get why it's a "good" idea but it's just so.... eh?
either way I actually felt like I was playing pretty damn well despite it all. we sadly got torn apart at the hacking section before the end when we got a combined gunner/rager swarm.
sturdy zephyr
So whats next blessing should i get for DBshoty?scatter and?
thick kestrel
both barrels is the big one, partly because it's a BIG reload boost but also it gives you an alternate doom-guy reload animation :>
not so sure on scattershot on it personally, it has rahter weak bonuses for crits/weakpoints so doesn't really benefit from it (have a look in the specific damage table in game, it's suprisingly low)
I'm actually thinking Both barrels and Man-stopper might be the idea picks? just lean fully into the utility options
manstopper being set up by weapon's specialist for context
hit and run/both barrels would also likely be a strong pick
wild summit
vet goes brrrrrrrrrrr
hollow warren
both barrels is the big one, partly because it's a BIG reload boost but also it ...
wait, a different reload animation?
thick kestrel
yeah, both barrels has a slightly different reload animation to go with the faster reload speed.
it's pretty neat :>
hollow warren
I have to check that out now
thick kestrel
I'd make a quick clip showing it but I'm currently rendering a video of me getting my ass kicked on that high intensity shock troop gauntlet auric to show a buddy ^^
hollow warren
hah, that's neat, opens the breach and just yeets the shells out
thick kestrel
aye ^^
hollow warren
though I guess the original animation does the same, but this one if much faster
and the gun stays closer to the corner of the screen
both barrels IV is crazy fast
thick kestrel
yeah, that 70% bonus is ace
bronze sedge
vet goes brrrrrrrrrrr
load out?
hollow warren
I wonder if Both Barrels stacks with that 10% reload speed
odd sparrow
all reload speed increases stack
thick kestrel
quite possibly? though it would depend how they stack
if they just add together that's a nice 80%
odd sparrow
its additive so should be 80% yeah
thick kestrel
neat!
hollow warren
also, reload speed 69
I assume if ObeseFish will be removing locks, there's a chance I'll be able to change that Scattershot 3 into a 4
thick kestrel
definitely
severe finch
which helbore is the best for all round play? is it still the mk 2
thick kestrel
though it might be worth looking at alternative blessings due to the aformentioned weak finesse/crit damage numbers
the DBshotty is not a delicate weapon, it doesn't really do much better with a crit unless it's enabling something else ^^
severe finch
is the new DB anygood dont use shotguns very much
severe finch
better then other options?
dapper latch
imo yeah but it depends on the situation
wild summit
load out?
left vet tree basically
crit talents as well (not the 10% of your mag one, that one is garbage)
bronze sedge
left vet tree basically
nice
versed osprey
best perks for the double barreel shotgun?
bronze sedge
what gun?
bronze sedge
cringe autogun < based lasgun
pliant agate
is the new double barrel better than all the old shotguns?
wild summit
i was thinking of trying a recon lasgun
wild summit
is the new double barrel better than all the old shotguns?
yesnt
its better at killing whatever is infront of you and dont like looking at you funny
but at range or crowd control it kinda lacks to each individual shotgun in their respective category
severe finch
https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-...
lets say im looking to get a shotgun setup going for the first time what would you recomend
wild summit
it is in all fairness the doom shotgun
thick kestrel
the combat shotguns are precision mid-range weapons, the double barrel shotgun is for Doom style rip and tear :>
wild summit
thw doom shotgun imo is a bad choice for new players, either the incindiary shotgun or the slug shotgun is best
thick kestrel
so the DB shotty is more of an augment for a melee focused veteran loadout if that makes sense? while the combat shotguns (aggripina, lawbringer) are more about precision target elimination with solid tight spreads and high damage against specific targets.
wild summit
one can snipe, which works well for vet, the other is great at Crowd control, which can be much easier to handle for new players, cause sniping is something i rarely see new players do well with
wild summit
so the DB shotty is more of an augment for a melee focused veteran loadout if th...
basically yes i'd say
DBS is basically for hybrid vets
thick kestrel
mhmm, the Double Barrel shotgun is probably the better starting tool? the combat shotguns are less familar than most for "game" shotguns as they're ironically closer to real world shotguns in terms of use/effect rather than what we expect from video-game shotguns.
wild summit
i would actually say its best used with stealth cause in a pinch, IF someone HAS to kill something problematic and it is on you in that moment, you are screwed without stealth to get close enough to the bugger
pliant agate
so what are the meta blessings for kantrael shotgun? full bore, scattershot?
thick kestrel
but the double barrel on an infiltrate set up and weapon-specialist? works wonderfully
wild summit
no clue
thick kestrel
so what are the meta blessings for kantrael shotgun? full bore, scattershot?
no respite and full bore are a good combo, the kantreal shotgun hits like a truck so the bonuse damage from no-respite kicks in really easily.
Deathspitter is also a good option?
thick needle
so what are the meta blessings for kantrael shotgun? full bore, scattershot?
Scattershot over Fullbore, Kant has the widest spread of the 4 shotguns
pliant agate
yea, i rolled no respite, and scattershot tier 4 randomly, and put on maniac dmg, and already had 8% specialist dmg , seems good, no?
thick kestrel
I think Flakiac (flak/maniac) might be preferable?
but yeah, no respite + deathspitter would probably be my preferred choice for the mkIX shotty
pliant agate
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thick kestrel
along with flak/maniac for damage, hard to go wrong there
though I admit I prefer the other two combat shotguns over the kantreal personally. the lawbringer is nicely balanced while the agrippina is basically a bolt action sniper rifle with the slug rounds ^^
pliant agate
I hate bulwarks though
can set a pack of them on fire, since pugs struggle with them anyway
helps a bit
thick kestrel
fair, it is worth noting that the agrippina's slug shell is one of the few ranged attacks which will knock the shield out of the way and stun them :>
hit them with the slug then unload into their face with the standard shells, works a treat
pliant agate
Yea, Ill probably try the others too though.
thick kestrel
civic knot
Ive heard it said that the bolt pistol is a bit underpowered? This true?
thick kestrel
eh, it's kind of being overstated on how "weak" it is. it's perfectly solid, it's juts being somewhat unfairly compared to the Zarona II revolver.
thick kestrel
it does pretty chunky damage :>
just to relink this vid, it's more than capable :>
civic knot
Is it better the combat shotguns?
quick burrow
do u guys think the buffed recon is > the CIAG? or does the CIAG still reign suprme
thick kestrel
Ciag is still probably the king honestly, even with it's slight nerf
but the recons are definitely viable now, @somber axle is the Felinid you'll want to talk to for some more specific details being the Zappy-Dakka enthusiast :>
quick burrow
haha yeah he was helpin me a ton yesterday iv been playing with both
i just wanna pew pew recon seems better with ammo
zealous otter
do u guys think the buffed recon is > the CIAG? or does the CIAG still reign sup...
Recon with headhunter might pull ahead of Columnus on marksmans focus builds. I need to test. The damage is very headshot dependent though.
quick burrow
those are my babies
bitter turtle
Recon with headhunter might pull ahead of Columnus on marksmans focus builds. I ...
it does not
i can save you the trouble
recon finesse is low
ciag finesse is very high
so the ciag disproportinately benefits from Marksman Focus
bitter turtle
do u guys think the buffed recon is > the CIAG? or does the CIAG still reign sup...
recons are alright
ciag/revolver/plasma still best 3 guns
bitter turtle
Is it better the combat shotguns?
imo
better than lawbringer/kant
much worse than agri shotgun though
not really fair to compare it to lawbringer/kant since its hardly the same role
but agri is a similar kind of gun
carmine cradle
mhmm, the Double Barrel shotgun is probably the better starting tool? the combat...
the mk7 combat shotgun just feels right
a practical workhorse gun
old quail
willow siren
this'll do
junior needle
but the recons are definitely viable now, <@164192519465205760> is the Felinid y...
Sneaky builds gigajuice setups that are painful to play for the majority of people. Also ciag is still, undisputably the highest dps automatic.
The only angle recons can compete/beat iag's on are ammo efficiency with crit stacking and shocktrooper
drifting oak
for me it's the fact that IAGs have absolutely stupid horizontal recoil that doesn't seem to have a left<->right limit
you can fire two bursts of 5-8 rounds and have them end up pulling into completely different sections of narnia
it's fine until ~15-20meters but past that it becomes so frustrating to try and kill elite gunners and reapers
meanwhile with the MG4 infantry las and its massively forgiving hitboxes, even with the sight's cosmetic sway you can actually just beam things at its max ROF
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1PB3YQd2J_HCLi/d1337IjgsswN?invite=cr-MSxSQm8sNDg2MDU3NTUs like see how some of these bursts stay on the pillar and others fly entirely off of it, that level of random deviation makes it impossible to "dude just control it better bro" when trying to beam heads past 20 meters
hearty panther
ye thats intended
horizontal recoil is usually for the exact purpose of limiting laser-beaming
drifting oak
It's definitely a balance point yeah
hearty panther
and its always frustrating but, well
id rather that than the IAGs being even dumber
drifting oak
but like I hate how people talk up IAGs "killing everything" and "doing too much damage" when their ability to actually hit things past 20 meters with sustained fire is basically nil
they're more shotgun-like than the actual shotguns
hearty panther
yeah most people dont stop and shoot
drifting oak
autopistols with cosmetic sights
hearty panther
i am also most people
its all about holding left click in bursts and moving on
but even for stop and shoot purposes columnus is still pretty stacked
like yea you can click heads better with an infantry las
but you are trading a lout of output to do it
tawny badger
yeah most people dont stop and shoot
tbf it's not like you can really get that chance
er- all that much I mean
drifting oak
tbf it's not like you can really get that chance
you get it all the time, darktide maps have plenty of variety
tawny badger
with all the shooters and the gunners
drifting oak
and people PULL ranged squads from ridiculous distances at times
hearty panther
you can totes stop and shoot, actually we're probably shifting back towards the need for proper backliners
trash shooters got notably scarier with the patch
tawny badger
like.. backline players?
hearty panther
but there was zero need before
drifting oak
there are a lot of "pain points" on specific maps where if you get a gunner patrol (6+) the average group will literally just fucking wipe to getting shot to pieces without being able to return fire effectively