veteran-class

[somber axle]

I love indirect buffs to suppression

[tall torrent]

Also yes

[slow spade]

Didn't have the toughness to tank 5 shotgunners like I usually do

[somber axle]

Glorious

[tall torrent]

It’s not good

lol

This is one L of an otherwise W patch

[zinc surge]

does that mean 75% more crit chance AND more crit damage?

[tall torrent]

No

[slow spade]

If the actually scary enemies could be suppressed, it might be worth it

[somber axle]

I know you dislike suppression but I've always valued suppression immensely and now with Gunners being a larger threat this means either you DPS race them down, take cover, use smokes, or you suppress

[slow spade]

But it doesn't

[somber axle]

Or die I guess

[tall torrent]

Crit dmg is calculated in a weird way that doesn’t really mean x1.75 to Crit dmg

[somber axle]

At least you can still use Ghost to safely engage them

[slow spade]

Yeah crits are handled in the least intuitive way possible

[tall torrent]

Gunners are not affected by this change

U still can run ghost/gloryhunter builds and tank them basically forever

[somber axle]

Their increased accuracy means suppression is more valuable to use on them now

[tall torrent]

You’re not gonna believe this but scab shooter is a different enemy from scab gunner

[somber axle]

Yes, we can. But what about the squad?

[slow spade]

Sadly...

[somber axle]

I'm aware LOL

Gunners and regular shooters are both very good to suppress

Reapers are also really easy to suppress

I suppress them regularly to set them up for killing safely

[tall torrent]

Suppression is still overall low value

[somber axle]

It depends on how much you value stopping an entire firing line instantly

if you can sustain toughness through the shots or use ghost to dodge them entirely then yeah it's low value, but if you're using a weapon that doesn't allow for either then suppression suddenly becomes very good for stopping firing lines

[tall torrent]

Then u play weapons with actually high suppression

[somber axle]

it's context sensitive value on a fun mechanic

and I love fun

[tall torrent]

+suppression talents don’t increase the radius of ur suppression

[somber axle]

yeah that's ok

[tall torrent]

It’s somewhat like “stagger” in that it’s staged

Still incredibly low value and not worth taking

[somber axle]

a cowering Reaper is doing no damage, a Gunner on his knees is waiting to be shot dead, a line of shooters having an anxiety attack are all forgetting their guns exist

it's really just a mechanic to alleviate squad pressure

[slow spade]

Or you throw a frag

[somber axle]

if they're grouped up sure

and if you have the spare nade sure

[sterile phoenix]

Any saving this or is it scrap for the blessing?

[slow spade]

Suppression needs ammo to burn

There's always a cost

[tall torrent]

U can save this when itemization update drops in like 4 months

[slow spade]

And one is cheaper than the other

[somber axle]

I use the Recons mainly so Shock Trooper helps and yes you can crit while shooting at nothing and it makes those shots free

[slow spade]

its the grenade

[sterile phoenix]

True. Stats are decent enough

[somber axle]

It's not nearly as expensive as it seems

But suppression is just not worth doing on guns like Zarona Revolver, Plasma Gun and other single shot weapons

[tall torrent]

U should prob hold onto it for now

[slow spade]

I'd save it

Its got really good stats

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth taking on basically every gun

[somber axle]

It's context sensitive and has increased value the more shots your weapon has and the faster it can output them

[sterile phoenix]

Aye.. back to cooking for another mg 1a

[tall torrent]

Ironically it’s not

[somber axle]

Lasguns and Autoguns excel at suppression, Plasma isn't a good choice for it

[tall torrent]

+% Suppression scales from ur weapons’ base suppression values

[somber axle]

I usually take For the Emperor instead tbh since I can suppress effectively without that talent

[tall torrent]

Low suppression weapons don’t scale as good as high suppression weapons

[somber axle]

It's not really necessary to engage in the mechanic depending on which weapon you run

[tall torrent]

And high suppression weapons don’t benefit from it much

It’s just bad

Simply put

It’s not like zealot’s stagger talents that give u new stagger breakpoints

[somber axle]

The talent could probably do with a rework, but suppression as a mechanic is fine and will have increased value now that shooters fire more often and gunners are more accurate

ranged enemies are a bigger threat now and suppression is more important to stop them if your cover options are limited and you're not running smokes/don't have a bubble psyker to shield you

or just like

power slide into melee I guess?

[tall torrent]

If the +%suppression talent increased the range of ur suppression then it’ll be potentially useful

But it doesn’t work like that therefore there’s no reason to use it

[somber axle]

there are options and suppression has always been an optional mechanic to engage in

I find it both fun and valuable to use because it's extra fun seeing the realism of someone cowering when you output the firepower of an entire Guardsman squadron by yourself in their direction while shooting their buddies

and they're not firing back while in the animation

they're not moving either

they just get locked down in place

[hearty panther]

yall forgetting about suppression on kill triggers smh

[somber axle]

Terrifying Barrage haunts me from my days playing Psyker

[tall torrent]

That’s a thing yes but +%suppression doesn’t boost the range on that either

It’s just a really bad system altogether

[somber axle]

it's a fun system and weapon dependent/context dependent for value

I'd rather have it in game than not have it in game tbh

it makes the game more complex and the gameplay feel more dynamic

an additional method of controlling a fight

[torn gorge]

varied rather than complex

suppression existence does not necessarily add more complexity

its a side bonus effect

regardless if you want to engage with it or not

[tall torrent]

If u mean complexity as in “an Ogryn shot his ripper gun in the general direction at a bunch of shooters so I can’t headshot them nearly as easily” then yea

[somber axle]

Oh also besides Recon buffs the recent update also buffed Infernus massively for Recons specifically and it's a solid blessing to take

[tall torrent]

Great way to troll ur team

[torn gorge]

on 6d was already a solid perk

[somber axle]

wdym they're now not moving and not firing back so you don't have to worry about being suppressed and can casually shoot the targets

if you mean like Reaper ducking his head and putting his arm up

[torn gorge]

point is infernus is more of a fun gimmicky than anything else

[somber axle]

yes

[frank ocean]

Uhhh all Powerswords share blessings right?

[somber axle]

headshotting when looking directly down the angle he's blocking his head from makes that awkward

[tall torrent]

I’m outside

[somber axle]

you can just side strafe for a better angle and shoot his face while he cowers

[tall torrent]

We have the worst scheduling conflicts ever istg

[somber axle]

the trouble of being an adult LMFAO

everyone has stuff to worry about irl

[tall torrent]

Them cowering and shaking their head makes headshots harder

On a low finesse gun like recon yea u don’t need to care

[somber axle]

for a Gunner in the open I'd say the change is marginally more difficult and trivial to adjust aim to 1 tap

if they're behind cover cowering then yeah

you can't shoot them at all

[tall torrent]

They also have their head covered by their arm, fyi

[somber axle]

unless you're using plasma or something

[midnight totem]

I'm game for a round atm

I wonder if I can make a silly shock/bleed maul build

[last parcel]

hey pussy chat check out my 550

[somber axle]

during specific parts of the animation and only from certain angles

[hearty panther]

delete

[tall torrent]

The certain angle is front so it matters

[somber axle]

it's another thing that doesn't feel very hard to adjust to aim the headshot on

but then I regularly suppress so I'm used to the enemy movement and adjust

[midnight totem]

sub70 damage, BRICKED

[somber axle]

so someone who doesn't see suppressed targets often has less muscle memory for tracking heads and adjusting angles

[frank ocean]

Mark III and Mark VI Power swords share their blessings right?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

I like how dmg vs unyielding
Is completely normal

[frank ocean]

Then oh my god, I got a purple from a Maelstrom mission and decided to just yolo and upgrade it, PC2 acquired!

[bitter turtle]

Sure

[midnight totem]

congrats speckman

Now you can play the game

[bitter turtle]

lemme get on

i just woke up

[last parcel]

wake me up inside

[wanton dawn]

I CANT WAKE UP

[somber axle]

I like the description for Sustained Fire LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

0554066126

[frank ocean]

What other blessings are recommended for Power Sword besides PC

[junior needle]

sunder/brudal :DDD

[hearty panther]

aka blunder

no wait

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/canada-tradition-medal-south-park-gif-10632616

[unique orchid]

i was wondering why im seeing so many bistols but it is both multiclass and there's literally an event going on to use it

[somber axle]

It's also really fun!

[unique orchid]

it is indeed also quite fun

it fuckin RIPS on heresy, magdumping into bosses goes crazy

[torn gorge]

everything should be very viable/effective at heresy

thats the difficulty devs benchmark weapon effectiveness

[trail totem]

what do i swap?

[tall torrent]

This is basically perfect

[somber axle]

Ok it's all compiled into imgur albums!

https://imgur.com/a/recon-mk-ii-flak-unyielding-test-sotmg-update-xsBMAkG

https://imgur.com/a/recon-mk-vid-flak-unyielding-test-sotmg-update-Aakg9Ef

https://imgur.com/a/recon-mk-viia-flak-unyielding-test-sotmg-update-FZg3YUu

[uncut pebble]

The rager obliterator 9000.

[somber axle]

This is the most homework I've done for a game in a while LOL

[uncut pebble]

Here's a guy with some free time.

[somber axle]

No idea if any of this info will ever be useful but

Recon Mk II > Recon Mk VIIa > Recon Mk VId for DPS/TTK and ammo efficiency on Flak/Unyielding
the only notable exception being Recon Mk VIIa doing better on Mauler bodyshots

[uncut pebble]

I think you should be killed with a rock.

Respectfully.

[somber axle]

I may be incorrect with what I remember of vibes on certain TTK/DPS so if I'm wrong with my thoughts on the ranking of the weapons for DPS/TTK/Ammo Efficiency compared to the data lemme know

otherwise I now have a weird collection of recordings to hoard for if this ever comes up

and at least it will better explain the ADM changes to Flak/Unyielding that the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa got with the recent update

[somber axle]

I'm off work today! I was going to play Dawntrail but I'm waiting because I promised to do the xpac with my S.O.

[uncut pebble]

I see. Your homework is great, though. I've been wanting to use a recon lasgun and the only class I'd consider using it on is vet with the ammo aura and shock trooper talent.

Thanks.

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

You want Dum Dum + Headhunter on all Recons (Infernus is a good alternative to Dum Dum for the Recon Mk VId and might be ok alternatives on the Mk II and Mk VIIa so don't count them as bricked if you get Infernus instead)

Headhunter is the very important one

The extra funny bit? I used Flak perk on both the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa but I didn't use it on the Recon Mk VId

[junior needle]

Keep in mind the build in the videos is an unusually damage heavy one

So your performance will likely vary

[somber axle]

So that perk is putting another 25% more damage into Flak that the Recon Mk VId isn't getting

[junior needle]

Just use loadout config

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId likely does compete well when you use Flak instead

But I wanted to show it with the build I use for Crusher killing

[junior needle]

You can select ideal max stats weapons for use in the psyk

And test everything equally

[last parcel]

why are you varying things beyond the weapon mark in this comparison

[somber axle]

Loadout config would be nice for tests but that's mod work and as weird as it sounds I find it more fun to test the weapons I've done grinding for since they're pretty close to best in slot stats, perks and blessings as you can get

[blazing cargo]

Which vet vesture is the drippiest, Krieg or the current one in shop?

[junior needle]

It's very easy to install and use

[somber axle]

For the Flak test specifically I wanted to see if the reduced ADM at near range was hurting the Mk II and Mk VIIa to values that couldn't be compensated by Flak perk

[junior needle]

And while you might find things more fun, it's objectively better to test things on purely even footing

[somber axle]

I read that the ADM for both those variants was nerfed

[wanton dawn]

Azreal wants to show off

[somber axle]

but it's actually not a big deal at all

[bitter turtle]

yea it was impoossible to keep up in the first game lmao

and i died like a chump in the 2nd one and fell behind u all lmao

[somber axle]

I know it's very strange to draw this arbritrary line in the sand

[bitter turtle]

by like 100k*

[somber axle]

but this was also for my own personal knowledge to see how my fav build on the Recon Mk VId compares

[bitter turtle]

👻

[junior needle]

Just go get the mod

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spray-not-afraid-gif-1196917860742165100

[bitter turtle]

fun games though'

justine

[somber axle]

Keep in mind that all tests done with the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa were done at max 10 stack Marksman's Focus combo'd with Chink in their Armour and Camouflage

[bitter turtle]

james is james

im pretty sure

[somber axle]

Just so the build would more easily allow Vets using it to get to and maintain 10 stack during fights

[bitter turtle]

also the only person who got downed 2x in a row by a gunner and died was me '

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slap-attack-scratch-spray-bottle-gif-17118070709567052669

Maybe one day

This is probably the last bit of testing I do for Darktide for a while tbh

I'm off on vacation in Dawntrail now

[upbeat snow]

veterans trying to explain how to get 1 more las shot on their gun:

https://tenor.com/view/slander-meme-memes-funny-whiteboard-gif-22147047

[somber axle]

Need to conserve ammo

A lot of returning players are back for Secrets of the Machine God and they suck LMFAO

people go down a LOT in Auric quickplay

and they're somehow also ammo goblins

at least kill things if you take the tins and packs

they eat it all and throw their bodies directly into the nearest trash can

hyper optimized builds for ammo efficiency and damage is how to survive for a clown

[unique orchid]

me, playing heresy:

[somber axle]

I think you're smarter than the goofballs throwing themselves into Aurics hoping for a carry

[unique orchid]

yes, i play heresy because it's fun and im capable of not dying

[somber axle]

The ideal difficulty is always the one you're more comfortable playing

But wow

[unique orchid]

still getting use to how much ammo the damn bistol needs though, running terminal amounts of shock trooper has left me forgetting i need ammo kek

[somber axle]

Some dudes have an inflated sense of what they can handle

[uncut pebble]

People that play auric quickplay and die instantly should be beaten with rocks.

[midnight totem]

I have a lot of life experience that tells me to stay away from crying, possessed women

[unique orchid]

i will send my best ogryn

[junior needle]

There's a lot of players with very poor setups as well

[bitter turtle]

mod to turn DHs into 8 foot tall sexy ghost girls that will dominate you when

[unique orchid]

real

[uncut pebble]

I'm going to kill you with a rock.

So much heresy in that sentence not even a heavy flamer can fix it.

[last parcel]

real

[uncut pebble]

Don't say real when you're worse.

[junior needle]

Kill me with the rock instead

[last parcel]

real

[midnight totem]

God my bolt pistol did jack shit that game lol

[uncut pebble]

I saw what your blessings and perks were on that gun you posted earlier.

[junior needle]

These two were in the same game

[last parcel]

stripper duo

[junior needle]

That's a YEESH from me dawg

[bitter turtle]

thats not true

the boltpistol almost did as much overkill dmg as real damage

so when it killed things

it killed them real hard

[midnight totem]

Haha

[bitter turtle]

demoralize those heretics

fitting of a boltpistol

[somber axle]

https://media.tenor.com/Ckf2-4uE4joAAAAd/horror-mama.gif

Daemonhost is aggro'd

[uncut pebble]

Resident evil type shit right there.

Looked like her head opened up like the demogorgon.

[junior needle]

RE is very different horror wise

that's just her hair

revealing a creepy face as it floats

[somber axle]

Mama is one of my fav horror movies because the ghost design is top tier and doesn't rely on cheap cuts of brief clips of hands, shadows or split second shows of a spooky face to scare. The hair floating like she's underwater and the way they go from standing still to sprinting is such crazy uncanny valley vibes

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-home-alone-panic-scream-running-away-gif-19223489

[somber axle]

If only I could be so fast

😩

[quick burrow]

i do auric quickplay i dont die instantly i die slow but by the emporer himself il bring you all down with me

[somber axle]

Insidious is only scary until you see the ghost and realise he's the knockoff brand Darth Maul

[unique orchid]

my ex girlfriends have said i am

[last parcel]

my dog said th e same thing

[midnight totem]

Curb thy heresy

[uncut pebble]

Can you go 5 minutes without saying some out of pocket shit?

[inner stirrup]

New meta after update?

[midnight totem]

Same meta

The shock mauls feel great to use though

Kinda like a Rashad combat axe

Only easier to roll

[inner stirrup]

Right on

[midnight totem]

The bolt pistol is...

Well it's no zarona revolver and it's got some handling issues

[inner stirrup]

Lmao Was just curious if any new weapons are worth a shot

[midnight totem]

But it's a decent sidearm

[unique orchid]

theyre all fun

[midnight totem]

The double barrel shotgun is good clean fun

[inner stirrup]

I’ll give it a go

[bitter turtle]

the shotgun has crazy cleave base

its pretty cool

[midnight totem]

Build and use it proper

You are doomguy

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-reload-gun-gif-19444267

[inner stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-laughter-doom-laugh-zoom-gif-17636231

[uncut pebble]

They need to put in an original doom reload as an easter egg.

[somber axle]

can you use it to kill Daemonhosts?

bring back the Left 4 Dead witch crowning vibes

[uncut pebble]

Actually I thought about crowning when I heard the agripinaa shotgun had slugs.

[blazing cargo]

Mauls are great

[uncut pebble]

I don't think any shotgun has the raw damage potential to do it, though.

[midnight totem]

Not like you can in l4d

[uncut pebble]

Yeah in l4d you can oneshot witches.

I don't think it's physically possible to oneshot dh's no matter what weapon or build you use.

[midnight totem]

Daemonhosts just got too much health

[midnight totem]

Thunder hammers can

[uncut pebble]

Shroudfield, I'm assuming?

[midnight totem]

And probably martyr, and backstab

On a weak spot

Yup

[unique orchid]

gotta use the semi-automatic shotgun though

[last parcel]

lmao get crowned

[unique orchid]

the THammer with FotF can do it, seen it before

[uncut pebble]

When you're on death's door with max wound curios and have the wound perk, backstab AND weakspot (which are mutually exclusive unless she's already standing up), with shroudfield/fotf.

The setup for "crowning" a dh is insane.

[midnight totem]

I just played two rounds with AZ, Craime, and Yuri

We killed 3 dhs in the blackout condition pretty quickly

But we were focused in, with multiple kraks too

[somber axle]

The Krak buffs are magical

[uncut pebble]

4 vets sticking 12 kraks to a dh.

I wonder if that kills it outright.

[somber axle]

the stagger from kraks is also really good for getting in free damage while they're stuck sitting still too

[wanton dawn]

I wanna like it

[unique orchid]

i am CERTAIN

[wanton dawn]

but I don't think it can compete

[unique orchid]

since 6 of them does like 60% damage lmao

[unique orchid]

the most popular saying about the boltpistol is "it aint the zarona"
it's fun and i like it in my casual slums of Heresy, but nah it isnt top-tier

[uncut pebble]

I genuinely think bolt pistol is intended for zealouts solely due to the bleed blessing and how bleed interacts with scourge.

[midnight totem]

The only advantage it has over the zarona is, more ammo for pinging regular shooters

[wanton dawn]

Boltpistol shot are to slow and high damage to make sense with bleed

[midnight totem]

And maybe staggering or suppressing groups of gunners

[uncut pebble]

One shot drops 4 stacks of bleed and that, if I'm not mistaken, is 30% crit chance with scourge.

[uncut pebble]

It's not meant to kill your target, it's meant to setup for crit chance for your melee.

[unique orchid]

4 stacks with puncture

[austere mica]

Also the fuckoff stagger and supression against everything

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but bolpistol should be OS

[uncut pebble]

"OS..?"

What does that mean?

[wanton dawn]

One shot

[last parcel]

operating system

[uncut pebble]

Nah.

Bolters don't even oneshot gunners, at times.

[bitter turtle]

idk if its a meme

[uncut pebble]

Though, in lore, that should sever your body in half.

[bitter turtle]

but i have a build for it that takes minimal dmg ups and uses bleed to cover the 1taps without needing crits

[wanton dawn]

Err, depend on your build IG

[bitter turtle]

you can throw everythin gelse on melee

talents

i havent actually tried it in a real game tho

cant roll anything

thanks hadron

[uncut pebble]

I'm just saying bolt pistol fills a very specific niche that zealout's kit has been missing, that being a setup weapon.

[wanton dawn]

Well, lawbringer does that too...

[uncut pebble]

It's not the greatest, but it fills that roll excellently.

[bitter turtle]

wdym by setup weapon?

[uncut pebble]

Special shot or are you referring to flechette?

[unique orchid]

s'decent for popping specials as well, the bistol

[wanton dawn]

am referring to flechette

[uncut pebble]

Doesn't that require a crit?

[wanton dawn]

you have scatter

[midnight totem]

puncture can also help prep for mercy killer knife on zealot and vet

[uncut pebble]

Sorry I'm not familiar with shotgun blessings.

I don't ever use them tbh.

[wanton dawn]

scatter is 12% crit bonus per target hit on last shot

[uncut pebble]

Been wanting one for my veteran, though.

[wanton dawn]

up to 60%

[midnight totem]

I was running lethal proximity though

[uncut pebble]

Idk, that seems like a little too much work to be investing into a setup weapon.

[junior needle]

Taking bolt pistol just for slightly faster uptime on scourge is a bit sus, especially when 2/3 abilities give you a guaranteed crit

[uncut pebble]

Two blessings just to make something bleed, plus the work you need for scatter to proc high enough to guarantee your crit?

IF it guarantees it?

[wanton dawn]

Though it requires a crit, it is also zone damage

[junior needle]

Puncture also doesn't apply to groups

[wanton dawn]

boltpistol has zero pen

[junior needle]

only the primary target

[uncut pebble]

Eh...

[junior needle]

Even with lethal proximity

[uncut pebble]

Now you're talking about different purposes.

[wanton dawn]

Honestly, if boltpistol had target pen it could be a good weapon

[bitter turtle]

pls make lethal prox proc bleed

[uncut pebble]

Shotguns aren't exactly meant for single target damage.

[bitter turtle]

meme build might actually be decent then

[wanton dawn]

I mean, boltpistol would setup what ? a 2nd boltpistol shot ?

[bitter turtle]

idk about anyone else but i think its boring its built the exact same way as every other weapon like it

[uncut pebble]

Real shit, make it proc bleed on everything caught in the explosion.

[uncut pebble]

No, it sets up scourge for melee crit chance.

[bitter turtle]

DA is just handcannon

basically

[uncut pebble]

Pop one shot and have instant 30% bonus crit chance on melee.

[midnight totem]

handcannon... but worse xD

[bitter turtle]

ya

but i mean the rollou t on blessing

[uncut pebble]

(assuming I am not stupid with math on scourge)

[bitter turtle]

is just the same as HH/revolvers

bleed + lethal prox would be a much more unique blessing combo

if it actually worked 😔

[wanton dawn]

again, I don't see the point of setting bleed on 1 target

[uncut pebble]

I've said it about 4 times now.

30% crit chance.

[midnight totem]

make the stagger from bolt pistol kills stronger

[bitter turtle]

ig bolter shot -> knife stab?

[midnight totem]

so lethal proxmity becomes hilarious

[bitter turtle]

i think most things die to bolter shot though

[wanton dawn]

That's the point

[uncut pebble]

*Assuming your target dies.

[midnight totem]

I mean, maulers, and crushers don't

and neither do bosses

[uncut pebble]

Take a look at heavy hitters.

They don't die in one shot.

[midnight totem]

if bolt pistol deals just a tiny bit damage short to kill some things, bleed can do the rest (I know it does in somebody's build)

[wanton dawn]

There is very, very little target where you want to shot once, then rely on melee crit to do anything more

[uncut pebble]

And having easily accessed crits make weapons that rely on said crits better.

[bitter turtle]

yea thats the idea i had

[midnight totem]

I'll have to actually test it out, I haven't found puncture 4 yet

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

all you need is superiority complex

also can 2hko bodyshot ragers and 3hko maulers

not the most ammo efficient but you can bodyshot them without caring much about hwere you hit i guess

[unique orchid]

i run Sup, BID, and Longshot

[bitter turtle]

then you can dump all the other talent on melee

i keep mentioning bc i want someone to try it

cant roll a decent bpistol or double barrel shotgun

[wanton dawn]

have boltpistol applies bleed on explosion and now we are talking

[unique orchid]

would love if it did

[midnight totem]

I wish

[unique orchid]

for rn im happy playing my boltpistol with kill zone and longshot, popping specials with the thump thump gun

[wanton dawn]

rn boltpistol does not scratch my bolter itch quite as well

Lacks some ompf

[sterile phoenix]

What kind of keystone benefits the mg 1a most?

[wanton dawn]

mf i guess

[bitter turtle]

you can probably run it with any keytstone tbh

[tame void]

thought this was a zealot for a second

[austere pine]

how tf do you pick the worst curio combo

not even any % toughness perks or talents it seems

[bitter turtle]

i would imagine

you go to hadron

and select pox hound resistance+mutant resistance + grim resist

[zinc surge]

does Ghost proc Duck and Dive?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[midnight totem]

I'd really like bolter and bolt pistol infested damage to go up

[zinc surge]

ooooooo

[bitter turtle]

it also procs recip but very inconsistently

you have to be ghosted on the startup of enemy trash shooter attacks

recip also dont work on elite gunners last i checked

duck and dive is much less picky though

[midnight totem]

It feels terrible to shoot a dog in the face twice, and the thing is still barking

[unique orchid]

immunity to suppression feels like a must on the bistol as well

[midnight totem]

... please don't take that out of context

[unique orchid]

my local ATF agent three drinks in at the pub

[zinc surge]

Deadshot Ghost Duck and Dive good synergy

if i can aim =e

[unique orchid]

i do agree though the hound is absurdly tough

my chainsword can one tap the damn thing in the head but my boltpistol cant?

[radiant chasm]

yea but that is what infested is supposed to be

[unique orchid]

perhaps, but it ruins the vibe of like "fragile high-speed disabler" when the disabler is not fragile

[midnight totem]

That's what it should be like for regular bullets

Not, explosive diamantine tipped gyrojet rounds

Infact, switch up boltpistol and revolver penetration values, I want to see what would happen

[bitter turtle]

i find the low infested dmg strange

as in

it just feels random

[zinc surge]

would anyone know a fix for my chat breaking all the time that doesnt require restarting game?

[bitter turtle]

is there a balance reason fo rit?

[zinc surge]

seems when penance info from myself or players hits chat it breaks

[tall torrent]

rashad heavy atk deals like 50% less dmg than light vs maniac

[unique orchid]

if anything it should have low carapace value and decent pen against everything else, but thats the lore accurate stat

[bitter turtle]

yea i know that one

[tall torrent]

it's a feature not a bug

[bitter turtle]

its only the overhead heavies too

if you use

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

achyls

the sweeping heavy does normal damage

but then the moment you go into overheads it does 50% dmg

really bizarre

crazy people can only be killed by sweeping motions - caxes

[radiant chasm]

infested is meant to be resistant to ranged damage besides flame and (las maybe?)

the problem is that poxwalkers are extremely squishy, and dogs are also relatively squishy for a special and have a huge head weakspot

but the main design idea has always been stagger hounds with range, but they die much quicker to melee

[unique orchid]

my mg1a lasgun deals with dogs better than my bistol though lmao

it's like a double-tap to the head and that takes a third of a second

[radiant chasm]

yes, i wasn't sure if las was exception or not to the ranged infested rules

and it is

but bullets and bolts and such are meant to be weaker

[last parcel]

i've been inspired

[bitter turtle]

what would win

a .75 calibre self-sustaining rocket propelled exploding bullet to the head

[unique orchid]

weaker in terms of penetration?

[bitter turtle]

or a green dog

[hearty panther]

sponge doge

[radiant chasm]

weaker in terms of damage, to infested

[unique orchid]

ah, yeah fair

[junior needle]

Are you using a vpn? Because I had the same issue and it was my vpn. You can setup split tunneling to allow steam and darktide through. If it gives you an error on the intro screen before you get to the character select, just disable the vpn to get through that and then re-enable on the character screen.

[upbeat snow]

rok wins

[radiant chasm]

infested is meant to be resistant to ranged damage besides flame and las weapon

[unique orchid]

laser weapons do extra damage / have more pen against unarmored, infested, and maniac right?

[radiant chasm]

bolt pistol is prob just in the worst spot with it's high recoil, low ammo, high stagger

making it extremely poor for hadnling with dogs when everything is factored

[unique orchid]

when you put all the factors in it makes mechanical sense, but still ruins the vibe a little

[bitter turtle]

imagine if the add plaguebearer

more hp than crusher

infested armor type

try to kill with bolter

[unique orchid]

the plague ogryn functions as a big infested bastard isnt it?

or are all the bosses without exception considered to be unyielding

[bitter turtle]

the normal spawn ones are unyielding

traitor captain/rinda/the other guy are not though

[unique orchid]

ah so assassination targets

[shadow rune]

does this updatde make the game feel less like a slot machine or no?

[bitter turtle]

no that is after summer

[shadow rune]

ty

does bolt pistol suck or is it good/ is dooom shotty good?

[bitter turtle]

doom shotgun seems pretty good

bolt pistol is just kinda meh

[radiant chasm]

nah he's unyielding

[bitter turtle]

its usable but not amazing

[unique orchid]

all the new weapons are very fun

[shadow rune]

thanks kinda what i thought. seems like darktide is now a waiting room for SM2 just mo

[toxic leaf]

one thing this patch is doing is exposing how bad a typical infiltrate vet is

[unique orchid]

after playing VerminTide 2 with Shade Kerillians i am really not surprised lmao

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate is just bad on the new map

how 2 flank when half the areas are a straight line

in a narrow area

[toxic leaf]

im just saying in general

cant hide behind baby tier histg t5s right now

its actually good difficulty

not that infiltrate vet is bad

[unique orchid]

i dont understand how people rise to such dizzying heights that HISTG Damnation is considered baby tier

you people frighten me

[bitter turtle]

i just meant if you are seeing them infiltrate users do bad

at least for me

i tried it 1 game on new map

realized it was completely useless for it

well

i mean you can still panik button or res people but its just a bad voc then

[torn gorge]

some sections do offer opportunities even if they are essentially hallways

[zinc surge]

i will try that thank you for tip!

[upbeat snow]

so uh heres the ok looking weapons and the garbajj relics ive got here

ive also got a power sword and a plasma gun not shown

please help i want good commisar weapons

[bitter turtle]

help with what

fwiw

[sturdy zephyr]

Like?laspistol and boltpistol?

[bitter turtle]

those are all weapons it looks like you got while levelling

they will all be replaced

320-370 is the base rating of grey guns at level 30

which is near/higher than your gold ones rn

[junior needle]

Not quite, all las weapons have different ADM's

Recons for example have mediocre ADM's against all of those

While ilas have unusually positive adm's, like really high

against maniac

[upbeat snow]

ive only extensively played psyker and ogryn idk veteran that good

[junior needle]

achlys is considered the worst caxe, and also caxes need brudal and be able to hit bruiser one taps on headshots for it. Their base cleave blows.

[sturdy zephyr]

Are you new to the game? You can least upgrade curios to transcedent first. And grind for mats and dockets

[bitter turtle]

well

if u want help you ahve to ask a question that can be answered

[junior needle]

Chainswords are pretty good for chaffe clear

Both of them

Near top of the list in clear times

If you build them right

[upbeat snow]

i wish to know what weapons/curios are good for this build(stand by for pictures) and what blessings and stuff to put on them

[junior needle]

Also much less strict than caxes to make work

[uncut pebble]

Lots of vet weapons require being built right.

[slow spade]

I wonder if a body shot bleed bolt pistol would work...

[uncut pebble]

You're supposed to be the jack of all trades class.

[junior needle]

oh mah gawd

[uncut pebble]

Lord have mercy on that poor perk tree.

[slow spade]

talent stick build

[uncut pebble]

Lmao.

[bitter turtle]

kant blessings are fine
achyls needs thrust/BM

[upbeat snow]

i dont play vet idk what good what bad

[bitter turtle]

curio dont really matter, just preference mix of hp/toughness and maybe one +3 stam curio if you like that

you need new weapons though

their base ratings suck

[slow spade]

strictly speaking, you CAN put all your points in the middle and still be pretty alright

[sturdy zephyr]

My personal run are psword and laspistol
Toughness,health,wound curios
Perks antiflak and anti carapace for melee

[uncut pebble]

For starters, what two weapons do you want to use? That dictates what build you need to make and the answers we can give you in regards to blessings.

Power swords, for example, are a pain in the ass to make, because power cycler 4 is like, unicorn rarity, and it's basically required.

[fleet thicket]

whats the build on bolt pistol guys?

[slow spade]

the sad part is this is relatively alright compared what you can see inspecting people in lobbies

[junior needle]

The build on bolt pistol is to take a revolver instead

But the good one

[uncut pebble]

^

[slow spade]

something like this but with better blessings

[fleet thicket]

thx

[uncut pebble]

Bolt pistol not the play for vet, though it's still fun to use.

[slow spade]

all vets should use recon

its the law

[uncut pebble]

No, all vets should use helbores.

[exotic spade]

went into a run with 2 vets using pistols with that rupture, and 2 ogryn that took less damage when around bleeding targets. thos ogryn were practically immortal.

[fleet thicket]

i still pefer infintry autoguns to recon tbf

[uncut pebble]

Specifically the mk1 and mk2 ones because the mk3 has the stinky bayonet attack.

[sturdy zephyr]

Vets use knife and boltgun

[slow spade]

I mostly want it so I can be lazy and bodyshot people to 1-hit kill them

[upbeat snow]

chainsword and bolt pistol would give me commisar cosplay

[uncut pebble]

Alright, we can work with that.

[unique orchid]

im way ahead of you

[exotic spade]

This is legit what I use to goot effect. with the shout, flak grenades, and every grenade skill I could nab lmao. you quickly become the 'center' of your group.

[uncut pebble]

First you want to buy your weapons from brunt until you get ones with decent stats. Then, blessings take precedence over perks.

[unique orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

Commissar gang

[upbeat snow]

ok what model chainsword? are they particularly different?

[unique orchid]

i like the original chainsword, can spam heavies for crowd control

[upbeat snow]

mk 4?

[unique orchid]

yeah not the 13

[upbeat snow]

what stats are considered goated with sauce

[unique orchid]

i forget what stats it even has, been forever since i made mine

[uncut pebble]

For a chainsword, the blessings you want are shred and rampage iirc.

Stats...

[junior needle]

Depends on the variant, the 13g needs wrath

And then you can take either shred or rampage

[uncut pebble]

If you're just using it for chaff clearing I'd say damage and finesse needs to be high.

[junior needle]

Chainswords have the unusual property of no crit damage falloff

So crit is better on them than it seems

[slow spade]

man my bleed bolt pistol build doesn't do enough damage to kill elites in 1 shot

back to DA and Surgical...

[uncut pebble]

Right, right, mk13 needs wrath due to low cleave.

[stuck wave]

so how are the lasguns after the buffs?

[junior needle]

It's a light spammer

[uncut pebble]

Shoot them twice?

[slow spade]

that already kills them regardless

[unique orchid]

i usually like a good shredder stat as well since it can cut up elites at close range

[junior needle]

Recons? Better but not top tier, they're not basically trolling now.

[slow spade]

no point unless they die in 1 shot

[stuck wave]

good enough for me

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, shredder does need to be high for rager murdering.

[upbeat snow]

uh i just rolled one from brunt that is 304 rating, 198L, 259H, 55% damage, 80% finesse, 29% shredder, 66% mobility, 74% penetration

[stuck wave]

I just want to use them because lasguns are cool

[junior needle]

2 or 7a are your best bet

[uncut pebble]

55% damage, yeesh.

[junior needle]

6d has the worst ammo efficiency and received some very unnecessary nerfs like worse handling and reload speed

[uncut pebble]

Brunt screwed you on that one tbh.

Especially the 29% shredder.

I would say mobility is your dump stat. (the least important one)

[junior needle]

Shredder only applies to the activated attacks on chainswords, so it's the least important damage stat

[uncut pebble]

Still a damage stat, though.

[upbeat snow]

another will be rolled

[uncut pebble]

You won't be killing anything with your rev with 29% shredder.

[junior needle]

Depends on if you actually use the attacks

Also you want mobility at 51% at least for an extra dodge if possible

[uncut pebble]

True, true, that's why I said only damage and finesse are really important if he's only using it for chaff clear.

Not sure where penetration falls in stats for the chainswords, though.

[upbeat snow]

rating 315, 202L, 202H, 61% dmg, 76% fin, 73% shr, 36% mob, 68% pen

[uncut pebble]

That just dictates armor piercing.

[junior needle]

Armor is flak, unyielding, maniac, and carapace

So quite a present array of enemies

[uncut pebble]

Well, yeah, but I don't know where it falls in relation to the other stats.

[sturdy zephyr]

Tries get rating around 360-380. Those can be much better stat

[uncut pebble]

^

[upbeat snow]

ok

[uncut pebble]

Anything below like 345 is basically not worth building up.

[junior needle]

rev light attack on the mk4 went from 921 damage at 80% shred to 782 at 29% shred

[uncut pebble]

Though, if you don't have one with better stats, I'd say the one you just pulled is alright.

[upbeat snow]

oo

one sec

[junior needle]

Are you pre30?

[upbeat snow]

no

[junior needle]

315 at 30 is quite low

[uncut pebble]

Nah brunt is just being a turd with weapon rolls for him.

I routinely pull sub 330 rolls and I have level 30 on all 4 classes.

[junior needle]

Shame I can't just give people weapons

I have a bunch lying around I don't use

[uncut pebble]

MFW brunt gives me 8 mk4ds's with sub 330 stats in a row.

[upbeat snow]

rating 371, 205L, 205H, 65% dmg, 72% fin, 80% shr, 76% mob, 78% pen

hows that

[uncut pebble]

That's significantly better.

[sturdy zephyr]

Almost!

But it could be better.

[uncut pebble]

I'd bite the bullet and upgrade that one for now.

[upbeat snow]

only took 8 rolls for that one

[uncut pebble]

Rip your wallet homie.

[tall torrent]

Penetration, finesse, dmg, shredder

Shredder is not as important on veteran as on zealot

Also fyi chainswords are sort of in a weird spot for veteran because you don’t get FotF to hard carry it

[upbeat snow]

fotf

[tall torrent]

And veteran doesn’t get +stagger talents to break rager combo without committing to rev atk on chainsword

[upbeat snow]

what

[uncut pebble]

It's a zealout talent.

[tall torrent]

Zealot’s ability, fury of the faithful

[upbeat snow]

oh

[uncut pebble]

Guarantee's a crit when you press your ability button.

[tall torrent]

It’s what makes chainswords good

[winter grove]

Unless it's like 0 mobility

[uncut pebble]

If I'm not mistaken that makes the entire rev a crit.

Like every tick.

Anywho, how did Hadron treat your chainsword?

[tall torrent]

As fun as role play goes, chainsword is just in a weird spot for veteran

[uncut pebble]

It's far easier to build than a power sword, that's for sure.

It'll be a good stop-gap until he gets pc4 for a power sword.

[upbeat snow]

rating 372, 215L, 215H, 80% dmg, 72% fin, 66% shr, 76% mob, 77% pen

that a good one?

[uncut pebble]

Yeah there we go.

[tall torrent]

Much better

[uncut pebble]

That's great.

[upbeat snow]

alright, shall i gold it and see what i got?

[uncut pebble]

That's actually better than mine...

Yeah, go run it through hadron and pray she gives you some stuff you want.

[sturdy zephyr]

Omissiah bless you

[uncut pebble]

If it doesn't turn out perfect, that's alright. Perks don't matter nearly as much as blessings do.

[upbeat snow]

uhm

looks good to me

[uncut pebble]

Let's see it.

[upbeat snow]

one sec

hows that

[winter grove]

That's real bloody nice

Just gotta swap out the sprint and bloodthirsty

[sturdy zephyr]

Is the crit chance apply to next special attack or just light n heavy only?

[cinder wadi]

when using smoke against gunners, do you want to throw the smoke at the gunners, between you and the gunners OR at yourself?

[winter grove]

Both

[upbeat snow]

it says next melee

[winter grove]

Whichever is easier for you to do

[cinder wadi]

alright

[uncut pebble]

Bloodthirsty is any melee after getting a rev kill. This includes a followup rev.

Though it's not good on like, any weapon you can put it on.

[upbeat snow]

i dont have any of the chainsword t4 blessings unlocked

[winter grove]

Imagine if you could put it on Ironhelm or Crusher

[uncut pebble]

You don't need t4 blessings, tbh.

[upbeat snow]

should i feed some of these trash chainswords for more blessings?

[uncut pebble]

I'm not sure if you should change bloodthirsty to shred or rampage, though.

Def change sprint efficiency to like... maniac.

[winter grove]

He probably should

[uncut pebble]

Yeah go ahead and feed some chainswords to hadron and hope for blessings you want.

[winter grove]

Bloodthirsty is def not the good blessing

[last parcel]

groaner damage crit damage devasting strike bloodthirsty

[uncut pebble]

Oh yeah I know he should change it, but to which one is what I'm unsure of.

[upbeat snow]

sprint efficiency to...

[uncut pebble]

Damage vs maniacs.

That's dreg ragers and just about every specialist.

[sturdy zephyr]

Empty your wallet,upgrade,take the blessing

[upbeat snow]

do you have something to replace bloodthirsty assuming i can find it?

[tall torrent]

2nd & 3rd

Not at gunner

[uncut pebble]

I would say rampage.

Drop bloodthirsty, replace with rampage.

[tall torrent]

Bloodletter/rampage

Bloodletter gives more flexible rev atk & single target

Also allows u to 1 hit mauler on rev atk

Rampage boosts horde clear

[uncut pebble]

This is true. Bleed stacks are disgustingly good.

But he's using it for chaff clear so I suggested rampage.

[winter grove]

What about shred?

More or less zealot only thing?

[tall torrent]

Rampage doesn’t have the biggest difference on horde clear speed from what I know

[sturdy zephyr]

Vet brittleness per hit on rev attack count single hit or every tick?

[tall torrent]

You get about 10% faster clear?

[tall torrent]

Single hit

Not per tick

[sturdy zephyr]

Ahh

[uncut pebble]

Anything that says "on hit" only counts the first hit for chainswords and eviscerators.

It would be disgusting if it counted every tick, though.

Now for your bolt pistol...

[upbeat snow]

rn i have t4s of wrath, rev it up and bloodletter

[tall torrent]

Put on bloodletter

[upbeat snow]

all in agreement?

[tall torrent]

Well, if u plan on actually using chainsword for maulers & ragers

Then yea

[upbeat snow]

ok

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, throw bloodletter on there.

T4 bloodletter is going to demolish just about everything that's worth having a rev be used on.

[sturdy zephyr]

Max bleed stack we can get like 30stack?

[tall torrent]

Max is 16

[uncut pebble]

^

[upbeat snow]

should i scrap the remaining ten chainswords?

[tall torrent]

BL4 on chainsword is 14

[junior needle]

Does being out of stamina decrease the rate at which you can do push attacks?

[uncut pebble]

As for bolt pistol, you could do surgical and deadly accurate.

[upbeat snow]

one moment gotta afk

[junior needle]

Numbers I need you

[tall torrent]

wat

[junior needle]

that

[tall torrent]

@upbeat snow bloodletter 4

[tall torrent]

Having stamina to do push atk = you don’t need to wait for stam regen delay to be over to perform push

Being out of stamina = need to wait for regen delay to be over to perform push

[sturdy zephyr]

Handy.

[junior needle]

Thamks

I'm doing macro science

And it looks like that's an unavoidable pitfall for permanent automated push attacks

[tall torrent]

Well

You also sorta have to factor that

Weapons have diff combo chain values

Some attacks chain into push atk much faster

[junior needle]

I got it working quite well for the knife

[tall torrent]

Like on knife it’s extremely fast since u can cancel heavy atk the moment it lands to initiate PA

Whereas in a more extreme example

EV15 heavy overhead into PA is disgustingly slow

[upbeat snow]

ok i return

[junior needle]

Yep, having to fine tune the timings almost for each weapon is time consuming

[upbeat snow]

should i scrap the ten trash chainswords i have left

[tall torrent]

I asked kuli abt combo chain stuff before but the TLDR is that it’s so complex even he doesn’t want to get in-depth with it

And I’m not psychotic enough to check that for every attack on every weapon

If I did, my guide would be over 100 pages rn

[junior needle]

It's fine, it's fairly simple on my end, just trial and error for the right timings on ahk

[sturdy zephyr]

If they are over 360 you can farm blessing. Your call if you already satisfied

[upbeat snow]

i only got one over that that wasnt the good one

[tall torrent]

If ur goal is to farm blessing (not to build weapon)
Buy from brunt and upgrade everything to gold

[junior needle]

I thought it was breaking because the timings were off, but it's just the stam being an issue

[tall torrent]

U have a better chance of getting tier4 at gold than at blue

[languid dune]

What perks am I wanting for the boomstick?

[tall torrent]

Flak maniac imo
Infested if u want to horde clear with it

[upbeat snow]

imma just scrap em i dont have all the plasteel in the world

[tall torrent]

Flak gives u mauler 1 shot, maniac gives more consistent mutant 1 shot

[sturdy zephyr]

You need plasteel for your ranged too

[tall torrent]

Time to spec both stam regen boost nodes

[upbeat snow]

ok

[junior needle]

This is on zealot, and my build has no spare points if there are any

I'll keep it in mind for vet

Thankfully I can just repurpose my heavy spam macros for this

[shadow dagger]

does the new shotguns recoil feel really bad or is it just me

[upbeat snow]

now for bolt pistol

first roll

[winter grove]

Hold up

Infested???

[junior needle]

There is a downside to using the macro with the dawg

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, it cleaves like a mf.

[tall torrent]

1 shot hordes of poxwalker at range

Also manstopper is sorta BiS for this gun

[uncut pebble]

Flakiak is still a good setup, though, considering you just delete ragers.

[tall torrent]

Mainly for cleaving high mass enemies

Manstopper allows u to 1 shot every mauler lining up till ~6m

[upbeat snow]

rating 339, 545P, 545S, 80% dmg, 75% reload, 73% mob, 60% collat, 52% stability

[coral willow]

is groaner a good substitute then?

[tall torrent]

Idk if it sends u over the breakpoint and honestly I don’t use my shotgun for horde clear

[coral willow]

fair point

[tall torrent]

I didn’t put infested for it in my guide

[coral willow]

so the docs is updated got it

gonna read about it

jesus the new shooter hell is hard

kinda makes the shotgun hard to use

[upbeat snow]

good bad

[tall torrent]

Not fully updated

[uncut pebble]

...good?

[sturdy zephyr]

Try more. Get best highest rating.

[upbeat snow]

reroll?

[junior needle]

You can just take a screenshot and share it

[coral willow]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life2-gman-gif-25087297

[uncut pebble]

I'm not entirely sure on bolt pistol rolls tbh.

[junior needle]

Windows shift s will bring it up

[winter grove]

Super shotgun is the first ever weapon to benefit from infested???

[tall torrent]

It’s still WIP

[coral willow]

kk

[uncut pebble]

I believe he may be on console.

[tall torrent]

Some ogryn weapons benefit from infested

[junior needle]

Take a picture with your phone

[upbeat snow]

rating 370, 515P, 515S, 62% dmg, 80% reload, 80% mob, 70% collat, 79% stability

[tall torrent]

There’re ~4 sections unfinished

[sturdy zephyr]

Fraggin brunt

[upbeat snow]

not a good roll to me the dmg kinda sux

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is one of the few weapons that actually need high dmg roll to get breakpoint

[upbeat snow]

rating 368, 545P, 545S, 80% dmg, 69% reload, 79% mob, 77% collat, 63% stability

[winter grove]

How much exactly?

[tall torrent]

Good

[upbeat snow]

can it be better?

[tall torrent]

Somewhere like 76%+?

[winter grove]

Ohhhh shit

I think mine is like

72

[tall torrent]

It’s for gunner 1HS

If u want to hit it with +elite perk

It needs to be high

[sturdy zephyr]

Its enough for if you ask me.

[upbeat snow]

ight to hadron we go

[winter grove]

Oh I use it for WS and hoping for DA

[tall torrent]

U can hit it with +unarmored but using a perk slot for only 1 enemy seems wasteful

[winter grove]

Groaners 5head

[upbeat snow]

mm

idk about this one

[sturdy zephyr]

Post it

[upbeat snow]

just a sec

phone is being el stupido

[coral willow]

hmmmmmmm.

[upbeat snow]

doesnt look great

but then again idk what im looking at here

[sturdy zephyr]

Just need to find surgical then you good to go.but also your playstyle.

[upbeat snow]

what am i replacing for surgical?

[sturdy zephyr]

Proximity.

Then again. Of course make sure it fits yourplay style.

To me you can trial run with this gun

[upbeat snow]

emperor help me

[sturdy zephyr]

No need to change for now

[upbeat snow]

i got puncture 3 and execution 3 4 or 5 times each

i need more bolt pistols

[sturdy zephyr]

Time to grind

[upbeat snow]

getting the bolt pistols isnt a problem

only have about 3k plasteel left

and i keep getting those two blessings

Surgical IV

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

i got the thingy

ok do i change a perk or the other blessing next?

[upbeat snow]

not anymore

[sturdy zephyr]

Yeah if you want. You can change it with proximity blessing with surgical

[upbeat snow]

already did that, was asking what to do after

[sturdy zephyr]

For perks?

Im not sure.

[upbeat snow]

or the other blessing, idk if there are better blessings or better perk options

[sturdy zephyr]

You can choose from antiflak,anticarap,antimaniac.

[sturdy zephyr]

You usinh this one right?

[upbeat snow]

replacing reload speed, yes?

it is now this one

[sturdy zephyr]

I would keep reload speed since i bet you use range for elite,special enemies.

[upbeat snow]

ok

is there a better option than infested, maybe specialist damage?

[frank ocean]

Any consensus yet on what modifiers matter most on the Shock Mauls?

[uncut pebble]

I would do carapace damage but I'm probably insane for thinking that.

[upbeat snow]

ill try carapace damage

now relics

idk what i should be going for in terms of relics with this talent tree, but the current ones i have dont seem great

1st one is +1 wound, +4 docket, +2 xp

[uncut pebble]

First, you don't want wound curios.

[upbeat snow]

2nd one is +1 wound, and +15% dmg res from gunners and snipers

[uncut pebble]

You want 2 toughness and 1 hp curio or 1 toughness, 1 hp, and 1 stamina curio.

[upbeat snow]

3rd one is +17 max hp, +6 xp

[unique orchid]

i like bringing a wound curio

[junior needle]

It's better to not go down in challenge content

Rather than go down and risk a wipe

[uncut pebble]

Iirc toughness goes up to 19%, hp goes up to 21%, stamina goes up to +3.

[upbeat snow]

i am not great at staying alive

[uncut pebble]

You're a shout vet, when you hear your toughness crack you should pop shout.

Infiltrate is also great because it fully restores your toughness.

[sturdy zephyr]

You will be fine. Just maintain toughness as high possible and not absorb too much dmg

[uncut pebble]

Do you know about dodge sliding?

[upbeat snow]

yes, but im not good at it

[junior needle]

toughness goes up to 17 currently

[uncut pebble]

I see, I misremembered, then.

Anywho, practice dodge sliding.

That's like the main thing to keep you alive in higher difficulty content.

[upbeat snow]

i picked up a +19 max hp from melk with +12% block eff, +4% tough, +15% tox flam resist

[uncut pebble]

Oh no.

Don't buy curios from melk unless it's something super useful.

I'm talking like a max levelled curio with at least one really good perk on it, like max corruption resistance.

[upbeat snow]

i dont really get anything from him anyway

[uncut pebble]

Huge waste of melk bucks.

If you're curio hunting, you should go check on brunt every now and then.

He usually sells me 15% toughness and 20% hp curios.

But he's sold max ones, too.

I've seen him carry +3 stam curios as well.

[unique orchid]

im lucky enough to have a +3 stam

[uncut pebble]

My psyker has 3 +3 stam curios.

[upbeat snow]

right now hes got a +2 stam, +15 bomber dmg resist, and a +16% tough

[uncut pebble]

And I've got one on every class.

[unique orchid]

alright man

[uncut pebble]

Brunt does?

[upbeat snow]

yea

[uncut pebble]

Grab the toughness one, then.

No point in not getting it.

[upbeat snow]

upgrade at hadron?

[uncut pebble]

If you want.

Personally I just buy curios from brunt just about every time so I can have curios for every situation.

Like I've got a max curio for corruption resistances for all 3 types of curio on my psyker.

[raven carbon]

what are the optimal perks on zarona revolver with surgical and handcannon?

[uncut pebble]

All 3 have max corruption resistance, corruption resistance from grimoires, and gunner resistance.

[uncut pebble]

That answer depends entirely on how the stats are rolled.

[upbeat snow]

i rolled +16 tough, +6 xp, +15 tox flam res, +10 block

[uncut pebble]

Drop the xp and block efficiency for something like gunner resistance, toughness boost, or hp boost.

[raven carbon]

71 damage, 69 reload speed, 69 crit bonus, 79 mobility, 76 penetration

[uncut pebble]

Tox flamer resistance is... meh.

[raven carbon]

it currently has Carapace damage 3 and unyielding damage 3

[uncut pebble]

Perfect! Now someone more educated than myself can answer your question. (I was just saving them some time by asking how it's rolled)

[raven carbon]

lol

[uncut pebble]

Yeah sorry I'm not educated in breakpoints or whatever.

[last parcel]

elite + maniac iirc

[upbeat snow]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[uncut pebble]

I'm skilled enough not to die in aurics and I've got good weapons. I can tell you what you want as blessings but that's about it. Perks need breakpoint maths applied to the weapons so I can't give you an educated answer.

[upbeat snow]

6 plasteel

[uncut pebble]

F

[raven carbon]

you think I should give up my +20% carapace or unyielding?

I'll probably replace with elite

[uncut pebble]

Honestly, if you don't have surgical 4 or hand cannon 4 on there, I'd replace those with their higher variants, first.

Carapace and unyielding are nothing to sneeze at.

[raven carbon]

i have both

[uncut pebble]

Real shit?

[last parcel]

elite gives dreg gunner and crusher, so keep carapace since that would at least cover crusher

[unique orchid]

what the hell is hand cannon

[last parcel]

wait damn

[uncut pebble]

Both t4 on the same gun without changing them?

[last parcel]

rending on crit

[unique orchid]

i see

[uncut pebble]

Crit do more damage.

[last parcel]

60% rending at 4

[uncut pebble]

Thought it was 80% at t4?

I may just be insane, though.

[sturdy zephyr]

60% as i remeber

[raven carbon]

think it was nerfed a while back

[last parcel]

it got nerfed a while back but i could be misremembering the exact value

[uncut pebble]

Probably.

I probably remember the un-nerfed version.

[sturdy zephyr]

Must be soo good 80%

[uncut pebble]

I remember people 2 tapping crushers.

Full hp crushers.

[sturdy zephyr]

Zarona can pene crusher right/carap armor?

[uncut pebble]

I'm afraid I understand none of that sentence.

[neat stratus]

Hadron dont fail me now

[last parcel]

it should be a 3 shot kill with elite or carapace perk

[uncut pebble]

I curse you with infested and groaner damage and neither of the blessings you want.

[last parcel]

but i could be pulling that out of my ass

[neat stratus]

Wait wasnt the point of this update to make hadron not mess you up as much?

[sturdy zephyr]

Can zarona penetrate carap armor? And crusher?

[uncut pebble]

Yeah.

[last parcel]

no that's coming after summer

[uncut pebble]

Very good at murdering carapace.

[uncut pebble]

Crafting update is after summer... they've got a whole setup deal on steam they're planning on implementing.

[last parcel]

the point of this update was to add a map and weapons

[upbeat snow]

why couldnt i get that roll

[neat stratus]

Dang, well am I at least in a good way?

[uncut pebble]

Actually that looks like a super good gunner murder machine.

[neat stratus]

Max flak armored... never used this weapon so puncture doesnt strike me in a particular way