veteran-class

[somber axle]

using this talent tree and the new Recon I can get 3300-3600 DPS (dependent on crit strings) but still get Exe Stance refresh and Target Down for better sustain from toughness restore + better uptime on Deadshot for stamina restore

[uncut rose]

did they buff survivalist for ammo econ on las?

[umbral scaffold]

what's the science with marksmen focus?

on the recon las?

[terse idol]

Why'd they do that?

Shocktrooper got updated

[umbral scaffold]

indirect buff by adding bigger magazine pool

[terse idol]

well not this buff but

[uncut rose]

Oh thats cool ill take a look

this is the old las I used back when they were in their prime. Any thoughts on if its still good?

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk VIIa got a sizeable reserve ammo buff so it gets more ammo back on Survivalist Aura proc now. The others didn't get a change to reserve ammo so they're unaffected BUT the Recon Mk VId got a magazine size buff. The Recon Mk Vid now has nearly 200 rounds per clip and feels more like a light machine gun when paired with the rate of fire buff

[uncut rose]

that sounds amazing

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-suppressing-fire-gif-11401460

[umbral scaffold]

not reloading is insane with deadshot n shocktrooper

fire 300 rounds and still see 100 in the mag

[somber axle]

It's even better when you look at the other buffs too! All Recons across the board received buffs to Maniac ADM so now you can melt Muties easier too

Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa both got damage buffs as well

[somber axle]

Yeah I love it LOL and I thought the length of fire from before this patch was insane through Deadshot/Shock Trooper but now it feels like no other Veteran gun in the entire game can even measure up to how long you can fire the Recon Mk VId

People using Autoguns are on their third reload before you've hit your first

[quick burrow]

you dont want the 30% weakspot dmg?

[umbral scaffold]

i tried demo'ing a recon build with weapon specialist and deadshot, invigorated and conditioning has good stamina return and usage

[uncut rose]

When going with the Vld whats the best grenade to use?

[sour fossil]

For the horde cleaning, what is the best between the Agni / Indignatus guys ?

[somber axle]

Depends on what weapon you're using. Generally you do though. I don't grab it on the Recon Mk VId because it isn't very much value for it

[umbral scaffold]

is headshotting not worth it? or it aint a substantial dmg increase?

[somber axle]

If you're building it for Crusher killing through Rending Strikes/Onslaught take Shredder Frag Grenades. If you're not taking Onslaught go Krak instead

[uncut rose]

ok

[last parcel]

headshots are worth it for headhunter crits but recons have shit finesse, so i wouldnt stress too much about perfectly tracking heads outside of that

[somber axle]

You still want to headshot constantly by keeping tracking on heads as often as possible to maintain Headhunter stacks through volleys. More Headhunter stacks means more crits, more crits is more damage and more free shots through Shock Trooper and more stacks of Infernus. The faster a target dies, the faster you get stamina restored from Target Down to feed more uptime on Deadshot for even more crits. Deadshot + Headhunter become a really strong combo. The increased fire rate has made accuracy on the Recon Mk VId a little trickier when hip firing so you'll definitely want to ADS when firing at long range targets (or have Exe Stance + Deadshot going)

[quick burrow]

so the bis recon now is the VIIa ?

[umbral scaffold]

would marksmen focus make it worth it?

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId still has the highest DPS/best TTK on all targets when running Rending Strikes/Onslaught but if you're not using Onslaught the Recon Mk VIIa suddenly has the best DPS

The Recon Mk II isn't bad though

It still competes with the others and does better for ammo efficiency than both

And it isn't very far behind on DPS/TTK from the Recon Mk VIIa in my experience

[last parcel]

well marksman focus would make it required unless you want to waste the points you spent there
it doesn’t make finesse much better since you’re investing into something with low value to start with

[quick burrow]

this is the one i got guess i gota start buildin bettah

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk II feels like the all arounder variant of the three Recons. Like playing Mario in Mario Kart. Solid but without something special to make it stand out vs the other variants

[quick burrow]

reload speed is meh

[high magnet]

How do I power level to 22 so I can get the Super Shotgun?

[last parcel]

plus marksman focus sometimes wont increase if you’re trying to farm hordes but your milage may vary on that

[somber axle]

I'd probably swap Dum Dum to Headhunter especially if you're not running Deadshot. If you run Deadshot then you can probably comfortably keep Dum Dum

[last parcel]

quickplay the hardest difficulty you can reasonably beat

[quick burrow]

is the column mk5 still the best IAG ?

[high magnet]

That's sedition...... oof

[somber axle]

It is yes. It got a tiny nerf in reducing crit strings from 4 down to 3 but the damage has remained untouched otherwise. It's still the king of the Infantry Autoguns and still one of the top performing guns in the game across Vet, Psyker and Zealot

[quick burrow]

is this still the build for it ? im returning for the new content unsure whats changed

u seem to know alot haha

[flat pebble]

you should always try headshotting except on like, maulers specifically

a damage increase is a damage increase

[somber axle]

Dum Dum blessing and Flak perk are the most important parts. Deathspitter is solid too. I've seen people suggest grabbing Stripped Down or Fire Frenzy as the second blessing to pair with Dum Dum but tbh if you want just pure damage Fire Frenzy and Deathspitter are both solid choices. Maniac is also fine though tbh the Infantry Autoguns already have fantastic ADM vs Maniac

You'll just melt specials faster and have a much better TTK vs Muties

[flat pebble]

functionally perfect imo

[quick burrow]

this is the build i was going with it

so far seems to hold up well in damnation

or should i try to sneak onslaught in for a IAG ?

[somber axle]

Are you able to maintain Exhil Takedown stacks through fights with the CIAG? If so then yeah that's solid

[umbral scaffold]

on my recon las, should i take 5% crit or 2 stamina?

with dead shot

[quick burrow]

i try to aim for the head its more of a little boost when i can snag it usually i proc it fairly often

[somber axle]

Otherwise I'd drop Exhil Takedown and the 5% HP node under it to get the +1 stam node under Confirmed Kill to save you 2 talent points to put elsewhere

[flat pebble]

I feel like confirmed kill and shout are more than enough

[umbral scaffold]

using weapon specialist to get stamina back reliably

[last parcel]

#veteran-class message

[flat pebble]

Isn’t that just net 1 talent point

[last parcel]

guessing longshot gets dropped too

[flat pebble]

long shot good tho

Artificially pushes out range

[somber axle]

Yes if you keep Longshot, no if you drop both Longshot and Exhil Takedown

Even just that 1 extra talent point would be nice for Marksman

The extra burst DPS from Marksman on a CIAG gets wild

[flat pebble]

my heart says drop exhilerating for redirect fire

but I ping like I’m a tag junkie

[somber axle]

Redirect Fire is also a solid choice

I love using Target Down for the squad sustain on toughness/stamina (mostly because I'm a Deadshot fiend and it feeds my uptime)

[last parcel]

the sacrifices we make for onslaught pepehands

[flat pebble]

i never vibed with deadshot

I don’t like having to use stamina for it

[quick burrow]

is onslaught worth losing longshot?

[flat pebble]

eh I mean you have kraks

[somber axle]

I'd say no since you took Kraks

You already have a solid anti-Crusher option so you don't really need to juice your CIAG into better Crusher kill time

[faint beacon]

Vets... Should I?

[somber axle]

You also have Bring It Down + Rending Strikes so you probably still get ok DPS/TTK on Crushers

[last parcel]

imo no, i just stab the crushers and am content with my gun killing pretty much everything else

[quick burrow]

moved a couple points around to get marksman

[somber axle]

At least you're getting that stam regen delay node on the way! Love stam regen delay

[quick burrow]

ya dropping exhil takedown freed up points

[last parcel]

and there’s a free point for DOUBLE REGEN DELAY

[somber axle]

DOUBLE DELAY

[faint beacon]

Dead serious I have no clue if I just rolled a perfect joke or if I should change anything on this damn thing

reload speed maxxing

[pseudo fiber]

How good is that explosion blessing on bolt pistol?

[faint beacon]

Im also running always prepared for even more brainrot

[somber axle]

Now it'll do even funnier DPS when you Voice of Command and magdump into a Plogryn head, Chaos Spawn face or Burgle back LOL

[flat pebble]

it’s fine

It’s mostly a utility blessing for making space at point blank range, the explosion doesn’t really do notable damage

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-tf2medic-idk-i-have-no-idea-crazy-gif-22434420

I still haven't touched the Double Barrel Shotgun LMFAO

I have no time for gaming AUGH

[faint beacon]

To explain it sneaky

it has no range

[somber axle]

I can do a single match today before getting ready for work

[faint beacon]

and its mandatory to run Always Prepared lmao

Kill one idiot with your melee and always have one shell in your DB

its so fucked

[somber axle]

the best kind of fucked

[junior needle]

6d also got a reserve buff

[midnight totem]

... arguably

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9H5uD1PdEyVeTyAf/d1337oFz67Qg?invite=cr-MSxtQXcsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

The best way to explain it

[midnight totem]

But dawntrail tomorrow

[last parcel]

become a reload maxxer

[midnight totem]

Calling out sick from work

[somber axle]

Did it? It wasn't mentioned in the patch notes but I know Fatshark likes to sneak in extra changes and not write about them

[midnight totem]

Technically not

[flat pebble]

this build gave me acid reflux

[last parcel]

good
now reload that

[junior needle]

Huh?

[somber axle]

LMFAO stealth weapon specialist Vets are the true winners with Double Barrel Shotgun

[midnight totem]

The reserve mag amount was decreased

But the amount increase in each mag went up so far it looked like the reserve increased

[junior needle]

It did increase the reserve, numerically

[flat pebble]

just raw digging infiltrate no modifying talents or nothing

[faint beacon]

The gun was literally MADE for Infil Vets lmao

[unique orchid]

haddie didnt utterly brick my bistol, praise the machine god

[somber axle]

do you hit 200 ammo per magazine when using it with Fully Loaded for the +30% ammo?

or wait it doesn't change magazine size does it

[junior needle]

it's only reserve from the talent

Which is fine

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-blank-stare-stare-soulless-gif-8388590147846269745

[junior needle]

That's what matters most

[somber axle]

I remember seeing that and the numbers went over my head

I have too much brainrot to do math sometimes

[junior needle]

With the other two getting damage buffs, the 6d is still the least ammo efficient one though

By about 10,000 damage per reserve

(baseline)

[somber axle]

if I had more diamantine I would 100% play with one

but right now I want a Shock Maul

I need to complete the Enforcer look

[junior needle]

I mentioned it to the guy who did the balancing but he seemed to not care that the 6d was just worse on that end with no real upside

[mint talon]

bolt pistol any good and what perks and blessings to pick?

[junior needle]

So that goes to show what fatshark thinks of balancing

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/judgedredd-ac2000-comics-cops-law-gif-17520144

[flat pebble]

brutal momentum adhesive charge

[junior needle]

Surgical and uh

[midnight totem]

so the 6d used to have: 6 reserve mags that could have 120 ammo each at max ammo stat

[junior needle]

Something else

[somber axle]

It is yes. Surgical/Deadly Accurate is the ideal blessing combo. I'd also recommend either your usual Flak/Maniac or run Carapace in place of one of them (probably Maniac)

[midnight totem]

Thats 720

[junior needle]

636 at 80% ammo

[vale ledge]

What would be a good enforcer build…

[midnight totem]

Oh

[junior needle]

Now is 880 at 80% ammo

[midnight totem]

720 is the 100 percent value then?

[last parcel]

(elite/unarmoured) + maniac for dreg gunners and both flamers

[somber axle]

Oooh that's what that meant

[junior needle]

Yes

[mint talon]

thanks for the answers, god emperor bless you all

[midnight totem]

Gotcha

[junior needle]

It was a reserve buff and the base damage did not go down

[vale ledge]

Also wait boltpistol can apply bleed?

[junior needle]

So ammo efficiency is objectively better than before

The puncture blessing can but it's not very good

[midnight totem]

well anyway, now its 5 reserve mags at 160 each at 880 reserve

[somber axle]

Yes but the blessing that does it is one of the weaker options

[junior needle]

Also doesn't apply to the explosion from the lethal blessing

[midnight totem]

So while the reserve raw amount looks like it went up, its actually lower

[last parcel]

punctured my will to live

[midnight totem]

I'm surprised you still have a will to live

[last parcel]

integer underflow

[junior needle]

No, it's higher, the mag size is also higher too

[midnight totem]

there are less mags

[autumn sorrel]

can you get "Purge the mutant" penance with fury of the faithful?

[junior needle]

Mags don't matter, the actual amount of shots you get matter

[somber axle]

Less mags but more overall ammo feels like a good deal to double down on the new identity as a light machine gun

[junior needle]

I'll be occupied for a bit unfortunately

[midnight totem]

damn, I'd play but I left my wireless mouse at home

[last parcel]

just cut the wire out from your work mouse

https://tenor.com/view/kalima-gif-19064001

[midnight totem]

I don't think they'll be happy about that

[flat pebble]

apparently it can turn on some body shot non crit one and two shot kills so that’s… something

[somber axle]

I have time for one game before work today

Wanna join the clown?

[last parcel]

construct the mouse out of sillyness

[midnight totem]

I can't play Darktide on a touchpad D=

[somber axle]

Rip

[last parcel]

time for ep smite

[languid dune]

What are stat priorities for the double barrel? Obvs Mobility is dump and top two would be damage and impact but how important is range over reload and vice versa

[junior needle]

Range seems to be deceptively helpful

As it does drastically less damage as soon as you leave the near range

You are correct, however they are giving me credit for the event

So they should keep using it until I'm done

[uncut rose]

in my testing I find that you want damage, stopping power and range at the highest

[midnight totem]

Wait, are revolvers giving credit in the event?

[junior needle]

🅱️ istols

[midnight totem]

Gotcha

[junior needle]

all the new weapons

I don't like them so someone else using them is helpful to me

[pseudo fiber]

Speaking of bolt pistols
Solidish gonna switch some blessings but

[quick burrow]

someone told me earlier tahn u want elite dmg and maniac on the bolt pistol to hit break points

my first bolt pistol i thought was a god roll until that

[last parcel]

or just run executioner’s stance

[quick burrow]

this is the very first one i rolled for

[pseudo fiber]

do flak elite or smth that's good

[last parcel]

bro deleted himself 💀

[quick burrow]

should i roll unyielding to maniac?

[pseudo fiber]

does it kill shooters in one shot without it?

flak I mean

[slow spade]

Can't 1-shot maulers

Shit gun

[wanton dawn]

Someone want to play with bad ppl ?

[gritty swallow]

ya just ran my first game iwth one that was a decent roll that shit was trash

marked head shot on a rager and it does like less than a quarter hp

grey stub hits harder than that lol

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Would
Flamer 1HS is pretty important imo

[flat pebble]

yeah bistol struggles against ragers

[last parcel]

just always crit

[pseudo fiber]

You made me curious so
Both grey

[gritty swallow]

is that on damn?

[pseudo fiber]

ye

[sour elbow]

Bolter's got the aoe explosion, so I guess the idea is that (and better ammo?) are it's perks.

[gritty swallow]

wtf idk how i was hitting for sooo much less than

[covert timber]

That is some good stats

[sour elbow]

I've fired into groups and make it stagger

[pseudo fiber]

obviously it's impossible to compare because they have different stats but

you get the poitn

[tall torrent]

It’s 2HS vs both ragers

If u kit it right

[quick burrow]

dogs cant be shot to be interrupted anymore?

[somber axle]

They can be but you need to meet their stagger threshold

[pseudo fiber]

idk yeah I can kill both in 2 headshots with no maniac or deadly accurate or anything

[flat pebble]

apparently with puncture 4 it’s also a two body kill for ragers

even simpler

[unique orchid]

Unyielding enemies are ogryn and monstrosities right

[last parcel]

puncture + deadly accurate bodyshot meta

[last parcel]

not including crushers

[unique orchid]

gotcha

[elder fiber]

bulwarks and reapers also got non-unyielding bits

[unique orchid]

i literally rolled a 4-4 for both earlier

[flat pebble]

I’m struggling to understand how you plan on getting off DA without surgical

is your tree fully dedicated to crits instead

[last parcel]

just be lucky

[unique orchid]

yeah i run deadshot

[flat pebble]

So that’s what, 5% base crit, 5% from the crit node I assume you’re getting, 25% from deadshot?

[last parcel]

30-35% isnt very reliable

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist

[flat pebble]

i guess 1 in 3 isn’t horrible but I wouldn’t want that personally

[slow spade]

Be luckier

[unique orchid]

real

ive hit 3 blackjacks in a row at a casino before

[last parcel]

luck my balls

[flat pebble]

yeah I guess that’s 1 guaranteed crit

[last parcel]

i need the sweat wiped off

[flat pebble]

what your balls

[near sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1075521521885384776/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[unique orchid]

Additionally it's more for big stuff or things i can easily pop heads on

usually im magdumping hordes or popping specials

[uncut pebble]

Horde mag dumper. Kill.

[somber axle]

quickplay is full of creatures today

[uncut pebble]

The commissar will see you shortly.

[somber axle]

holy shitake mushrooms

2 minutes into a map and 3 guys are down LMFAO

why are they even queueing into aurics if they want to be on their knees this fast

It's like they were racing each other to see who could eat shit the fastest

[flat pebble]

new map?

[somber axle]

I get over to see what killed them

[uncut pebble]

They are bad and think playing on a difficulty they can't manage is the way to "git gud."

[somber axle]

basic horde and 3 maulers

how did they even DIE

[somber axle]

nah one of the older maps

[flat pebble]

oh that’s just depressing then

[somber axle]

just returning players coming back to the update is my guess

[elder fiber]

woundsgryn getting hit by every disabler before dying while standing in pox cloud and d/cing, seems pretty standard to me

[unique orchid]

i am the commissar

[austere pine]

only flesh ogryn. crushers will always be carapace

[somber axle]

people vanish for weeks to months, come back, queue into auric damnation quickplay, fall into high intensity shock trooper gauntlet and immediately bend over for the first fight they play

[unique orchid]

also i magdump into hordes because i take covering fire, i dont really go for keystones

[uncut pebble]

The only time I really get downed in aurics is if I am hit with the sniper special or I'm chosen by every shotgunner in a gang at the same time.

[quick burrow]

in my defence im warming up with damnation quickplay not auric

[hybrid token]

is it just me or does the double barrel feel weirdly laggy on double reloads

[quick burrow]

i keep on accidently doing back4blood controls

[austere pine]

true chads get gunned down by a firing line of gunners and shooters

[uncut pebble]

Or, yeah, gunners sticking me to the floor because obese fish decided that they should have immense stagger on health.

But that's why I only run stealth in aurics.

[frank ocean]

The stagger is straight up BS at times, like I get if you get hit by a bunch at once it might stagger you, but you can go full health to dead if they just hit you once and lock you in

[wet elk]

swap these 2 right?

[umbral scaffold]

That explosion noticeable

[flat pebble]

i’d sooner keep unarmored, that might help with a dreg gunner bp

get maniac over specialists

or flak, i’d check your guns bps in the psykhanium

glory hunter can be swapped for surgical tho

[wet elk]

there we go

[regal belfry]

mace feels kinda ok

[regal belfry]

throw it in the bin and use a revolver or the bolter rifle

[junior needle]

The explosion does very little damage and currently doesn't apply puncture either

[wet elk]

no

[regal belfry]

it is cc only

[wet elk]

i already ran a billion missions with those

i want to try something new

[regal belfry]

use the shotty then

[topaz lance]

Most blessings on the bolt pistol feel kinda underwhelming.

[flat pebble]

every time someone recommends the revolver in this discord channel an angel loses their wings

everyone already knows the revolver is good and has used it a million times

no one needs to be reminded it exists

[regal belfry]

thats good

[junior needle]

You'd be surprised how many people are unaware of what constitutes a good weapon

[quick burrow]

wait the revolver is good? since when

[flat pebble]

pain

[quick burrow]

why did i delete this then? i thought it would never be good

[junior needle]

Me except with recons

They're ok now but not stellar

[quick burrow]

someone was talking about a near unlimited ammo recon build

[flat pebble]

you didn’t actually delete this right

[elder fiber]

lmao

[quick burrow]

no lol

[regal belfry]

i throw the trash of the v14 revolver against your head

[flat pebble]

okay i was like man,

[winter grove]

It's easier to do with ilas mk4

[elder fiber]

mk2 revolver been good for a while now

[quick burrow]

i can show you the most cursed weapon though

[regal belfry]

show it

[flat pebble]

is that the agri

[regal belfry]

yes

the hipfire cowboy one

[umbral garnet]

Watching people be so critical of the boltpistol.

Smh

Sure, it's outclassed, but don't need to throw in a bloody dumpster.

[elder fiber]

How dare they not make a gun even stronger than mk2 revolver or plasma smh

[umbral garnet]

"Just use the revolver" How about

I don't want to?

Because I already have? For hours?

[quick burrow]

my cursed laspistol and my cursed heavy sword just for fun

[regal belfry]

make hellbore rifles faster to swap to?

[regal belfry]

i hope you use deadshot

[junior needle]

You can't use deadshot on zealot

[regal belfry]

we are here in vet chat

[junior needle]

Vets can't use heavy swords

[quick burrow]

heavysword is the most cursed roll i have ever done i threw it in for fun but the pistol is on my vet

[flat pebble]

someone show this guy the yeehaw monstrous deleetus agri revolver clip

[quick burrow]

it was double tier 1 blessings....

is that even possible now ? i have no idea

iv never seen it again

[umbral garnet]

Calling the agri trash is senile.

People only say that because the Zarona is so disgustingly good.

[regal belfry]

sorry but i preffer my range weapon to kill reliably gunners, smipers and bombers

[umbral garnet]

Mine does, I don't know what your agri is doing

[elder fiber]

Agri can do that fine on deashot focus tag build

[umbral garnet]

1HS all around

[junior needle]

The agri felt really bad to me

[elder fiber]

It needs to be built around

[regal belfry]

depends on the range

[junior needle]

The accuracy on repeated shots is quite poor and the inability to conventionally ads is a huge detriment

[quick burrow]

is this thing any good?

[umbral garnet]

I can one tap a gunner from a zarona's distance away if I get a chance to zero my shot.

Tbf, I am using deadshot.

[regal belfry]

i like even the vraks mk 7 headhunter autogun

[elder fiber]

Crouching increases the accuracy

[regal belfry]

like in cs

[flat pebble]

i’m literally drooling

i’d use the shit out of that hh on my zealot

[umbral garnet]

It's meant for being up close and personal.

Mostly.

I'd say.

[regal belfry]

i would say the agrapina revolver is mid

[umbral garnet]

Nothing like blasting a crusher in the face with a lightning quick one-two-three

[junior needle]

My issue with that is I already have a melee weapon for that purpose, and it doesn't cost ammo to use

[flat pebble]

you say that like it’s not one of the accepted meta marksmen weapons

[umbral garnet]

Ultimately, it's a style weapon.

[regal belfry]

it has its use

[flat pebble]

a good roll will one tap most priority targets

[elder fiber]

yeah the important thing is agri is funny

[flat pebble]

yeehaw

[elder fiber]

just probs don't use it on psyker lol

[umbral garnet]

It's the thing you pull out when you want to feel like a maniac six shooting dumbasses in the face.

[regal belfry]

i use mostly infantry lasgun or agrapina autogun when i run executioner stance and the vraks mk7 competes with the ia lasgun

idk why but the lasgun feels more ammo efficient with better sight

[flat pebble]

i mean it kinda is

[regal belfry]

i hope they bring a headhunter skin out

[flat pebble]

also lasguns have way better maniac ADMs

[elder fiber]

idk v7 ammo efficiency is p funny with survivalist considering you get +1 ammo on gunner 1taps

[flat pebble]

and i think they all have reverse damage falloff still

[umbral garnet]

Holy shit the reload animations for the double barrel is dynamic.

Depening on reload speed.

That's crazy

[somber axle]

I really love the new Boltpistol ohmygosh

I think this is the first gun I would only and always ever take Marksman's Focus with

[regal belfry]

...

[flat pebble]

that’s left tree keystone right

[somber axle]

It's an aim test to see if you can aim heads and if you can't the gun underperforms LOL

bodyshots do very little

[somber axle]

yes

[flat pebble]

it probably helps lift up the throughput too

[somber axle]

Deadly Accurate, Surgical and Marksman's Focus combo REALLY well on the Boltpistol

It's easier to maintain stacks with Camo

but the hard part is really just landing heads because of the angle of the Boltpistol

[flat pebble]

i wouldn’t use one of these without flakiac and surgical deadly accurate but i’m sure this is fun to use

[somber axle]

also the new Boltpistol cosmetic skin has a weird visual effect that makes aiming harder because it keeps putting this weird candle flame effect in front of the sights

pay to lose

the true way to pay to play

[flat pebble]

ya people have been complaining about it intermittently today

[somber axle]

I love it tbh LOL

[regal belfry]

rofl

[somber axle]

it's goofy

[quick burrow]

is this a okay lasgun? i mtrying to make multi builds for the vet ha

[flat pebble]

how else does one praise the god emperor but by nerfing themselves in tribute

[regal belfry]

i like the new revolver skin

[flat pebble]

looks awesome

should rip

[somber axle]

I saw it at once and thought "the devs didn't fucking test these skins at all before sending them live because this is a really obvious thing to catch if literally ANYONE used the weapon even once before putting it in the game"

[quick burrow]

cna i use it for that infi ammo recon las build someone was talkin about ?>

cause that sounded epic

[flat pebble]

it kinda already has infinite ammo lol

it’s very hard to run out of inlas 4 ammo

[elder fiber]

yeah p much

[quick burrow]

i see

[umbral garnet]

Considering you have headhunter on there, taking shocktrooper practically gives you infinite ammo as long as you keep tapping heads.

Surv if you want to go overkill.

[quick burrow]

so if im a ranged spamming madman i should run that over my colum mk 5

[flat pebble]

but use shocktrooper or survivalist and you won’t ever need to worry about ammo

[quick burrow]

though i do enjoy my chainsword on occasion

[flat pebble]

i’d say they’re roughly side grades anyway

[regal belfry]

IV lasgun is fingerpain

[flat pebble]

columnus is notably more overtuned and better against monstrosities

[quick burrow]

i use full auto mod

it makes every gun really fun

[elder fiber]

yeah mk4 needs autoclick mod

[regal belfry]

make it a modifier or blessing

[quick burrow]

maybe i lstick to my mk5 my build is very similar except i run shock trooper

[flat pebble]

post it

[quick burrow]

i just swap a few points

[somber axle]

Yeah that's good and with Shock Trooper you can probably just fire freely without worrying about ammo too

but you honestly don't need Shock Trooper on the Mk IV Infantry Lasgun

it has crazy amounts of ammo

[flat pebble]

yeah honestly survivalist and shock trooper is almost definitely overkill

[somber axle]

no ammo pick ups challenge

[quick burrow]

i would prob swap surviv for the dmg aura then the extra point can go to shock troopewr

[elder fiber]

I think I got down to 300ish ammo on mk4 once after comical amts of shooting and no ammo pickup

unless rending is helping you reach important BPs you can probs drop that

[somber axle]

also the new Enforcer set looks pretty good with the Skulls event backpack

it almost looks like the tubes from your helmet feed into it

[quick burrow]

rending isnt that great?

i remember before i took a LOOOONG break people were in love with it

[winter grove]

I do

Because whenever I use mk4

[unique orchid]

it is never bad to take

[tall torrent]

Depends on ur weapon

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes isn't good on the Mk IV tbh other than helping bodyshots on Maulers and you already have +Flak as a perk

[winter grove]

It's just

[quick burrow]

either the colum mk5 or the Inf las mk4

[winter grove]

90% I am holding ilas mk4 to shiit

[tall torrent]

There’re just a lot of cases where it’s not worth taking

[unique orchid]

i assume the chainsword and bistol dont really have need it

[somber axle]

It's good for helping on weapons with ADM struggles

[winter grove]

Like recons

[tall torrent]

U’d be correct

[winter grove]

Lmao

[somber axle]

Boltpistol benefits immensely from rending to push it into 1HKO Crusher territory too

but it's really just the 1HKO Crusher breakpoint that rending is helping LOL

[unique orchid]

meh, i have krak for crusher murder

[somber axle]

it's unnecessary otherwise

[quick burrow]

this is the one im trying to build around

[umbral garnet]

The new enforcer skins are insanely drippy.

Wow

[unique orchid]

i agree

[somber axle]

Yeah and all the new weapon skins are amazing too

[elder fiber]

ciag really doesn't need rending node either

[umbral garnet]

That death's head revolver.

UNF

[warm harbor]

Quick question is buying them the only way to earn the Credit to buy them?

[tall torrent]

This is peak

[flat pebble]

am i the only one who is bummed about the yellow paneling on the enforcer sets

the data mined imagine with the matte black only looked so clean

[somber axle]

For the Enforcer set? Yeah it's a paid cosmetic so only Aquilas

[stuck gorge]

chat once the 4 locks are real... i can salvage this finally...

[somber axle]

I guess you could do For the Drip mod?

but it is client side only

[unique orchid]

i doubt it, but it's apparently lore accurate and good for differentiating between friendlies and enemy

[somber axle]

others will not see it, just you

[elder fiber]

no point in fashion if nobody else can see it

[somber axle]

which is good enough if you don't care what others see

[warm harbor]

Over that, I play from XBOX

So

Yeah

[winter grove]

Only gripe I have with bolt pistol

[warm harbor]

I’ll stick to in-game ones

[winter grove]

Is it's shitty sight

[flat pebble]

this is the exact stance that fatshark has and why for the drip mod is approved lol

[unique orchid]

shitty? i think it's actually half decent

[winter grove]

As an ilas main

[flat pebble]

the candle flame is apparently distracting

[winter grove]

I having a stroke trying to aim with it

[unique orchid]

i use to run the mg1a

[somber axle]

I also stick to the in-game versions because I like Darktide and the new updates have been good so I don't mind splurging a bit on the game. I feel easier spending money when the devs are doing things I like and I'm enjoying the direction the game is going

[unique orchid]

it's a bit rough to get use to, certainly

[umbral garnet]

Any InfLas player trying to use Iron sights.

https://tenor.com/view/gorgc-gorp-mald-dota2-gamerrage-gif-26833397

[unique orchid]

better than most iron sights in other FPS games tbh

[umbral garnet]

That's fair.

[winter grove]

The only irons sights that make me have a stroke aiming are both boltguns and hellbores

Everything else is nice

[umbral garnet]

Helbores fucking suck that I agree with.

For the playstyle they're made for, being snipes

Atrocious sights lmao

[unique orchid]

indeed the helbores really need higher sight posts

the irons are TOO FLAT

[winter grove]

I was using vraks 7 when I was first time playing

Vraks sights are also really nice

[warm harbor]

I’m waiting for Genestealers honestly, gotta blast something different than Nurgle sooner or later

[unique orchid]

i want the Blood Pact

[winter grove]

Slaanesh

[unique orchid]

i doubt we'll fight slaaneshi cultists, their yitties are out way too damn much kek

[warm harbor]

Fact is

The other chaos cults do not spread AS FAST

[umbral garnet]

Everyone just loves sex.

I understand. In a grimdark, you gotta find some sort of joy.

[warm harbor]

Khorne?
Slicing each other up, too few to go out and fight

Slaanesh?
All perverts that barely can hold weapons properly

Tzeench?
Too much long-lasting plan do be an immediate threat

[unique orchid]

also tzeentch and nurgle hate eachother

[warm harbor]

Like Khorne and Slaneesh

[unique orchid]

or khorne and tzeentch

[warm harbor]

Nurgle?
Actual disease that can convert thousands within hours

[warm harbor]

Or Khorne and every other living being

[winter grove]

Considering nurgle even basically promises to revive you upon death in exchange of you spreading bubonic plague

He's just more successful

[frank ocean]

I mean Khorne spreads just fine in the Grim Dark Future

[unique orchid]

"you khornate worshippers sure are a contentious bunch"
"YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE"

[umbral garnet]

"Hey man, what coffee is that you're drinking?"
"THE BLOOD OF MY ENEMIES"
"That's a bit... Unsanitary."
"DIE NOW!"

[winter grove]

Khorne worshippers just aren't as common as nurgle ones

There's quite difference between having to kill everyone because blood for the blood god

And playing Plague Inc in the Hive City

[unique orchid]

the Cult of Admonition spread the nurglite disease originally, they are now called the Dregs

the Blood Pact is another chaos cult, just for Khorne, and they do blood games and stuff but dont often mindlessly slay eachother

[mortal horizon]

is this the best build on the new shotty?

or is there a better generalist build?

or single target?

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1dp5psu/doom_shotty_can_do_some_crazy_things_with_man/

I have this loadout on my zealot, and use it to proc infinite cleave throwing knives
but is it good on vet and w/ the new shotty?

[radiant chasm]

Cult of Admonition is still their name, the Dreg is just an inquisition label to dehumanize them so we don't feel kinship with them

kinda like the moebian 6th is still "them" just turned traitor, called scabs by the inquisition

[unique orchid]

the more important part of my mentioning it is the Blood Pact (and by extension, other Khorne cults) do not mindlessly kill eachother, usually they go pillage and raze other stuff a la Drukhari

[flat pebble]

“They do blood games” so khornites are bug chasers?

🏳️‍🌈

[unique orchid]

what the actual hell do these words mean in this order

[flat pebble]

you’ll hate this

do you want me to explain it

[unique orchid]

i do, it is why i asked

[somber axle]

That's why I love Orks. They'll kill each other just because they were bored if nothing else is around to fight

[flat pebble]

it’s a term for gay men who are resigned to eventually getting HIV so they actually pursue getting it through unsafe intercourse

[unique orchid]

no thats nurgo-slaaneshi

[flat pebble]

WAAAAGH?

[winter grove]

Doing Blood games vs sending one guy with bubonic plagues that infects 3k people and they're gonna infect even more

[somber axle]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[winter grove]

It's kinda easier for the Nurgle boys

[somber axle]

can't wait to see the krumpin that comes from this moment:

[unique orchid]

i do not wish to argue that point, i just want to say khorne would be fun and i would call it possible

[winter grove]

Khorne would be fun true

But you know Dreg/Scab ragers right

Now imagine them as a common enemy

[unique orchid]

that was going to be a speaking point for khorne faction yes

[winter grove]

Like groaners and shit

[unique orchid]

weaker, less armored, fewer ranged specials

[winter grove]

With moebian 6th to help them

[unique orchid]

fair fair, i think it would be neat to have differing strategies based on faction though

[winter grove]

True

But I don't think Tzeench or Slaanesh cultists are really possible

[terse idol]

Slaanesh is possible if throne side gets hit hard enough to be faiiir

[unique orchid]

or the carnival

[terse idol]

Yeah

[unique orchid]

but tzeentch? honestly they just show up lmao

probably too much nurgie taint on Atoma for him to wanna show though

[limpid turret]

is the double barrel shotgun causing crashes? I've noticed I've only crashed to the main menu when using that particular gun

[somber axle]

there's a second hive city that the top names in the Inquisition don't want to speak about to the Rejects
when you do the special ammo fetch missions they sometimes remark that these special toys are not for us, they're for people in deeper shit
we're already going in on suicide missions so this feels like they're hinting that battles are being waged over the second hive city against something we are explicitly NOT to know about unless absolutely necessary

I have no idea what could be going on in the second hive city that would require them to be so tight-lipped though

Xenos?

[unique orchid]

could be GSC since the astronomican is being interfered with

Tyranids are known to have anti-psyker ability

[somber axle]

Could be that!

There's a funny tidbit of lore from the Elysian Psyker set where the Psyker from the Elysian front sent to Atoma was diving into battle and blacked out on the way down because the sheer psychic force of something overwhelmed him enough to knock him unconscious just from passing over it

[umbral garnet]

Considering the immense amounts of references to Zola hiding something she doesn't even know about

It has to be Genestealers.

[unique orchid]

it is interesting to hear that Major Morrow has also been in both the Second war for Armageddon and the Badab War

[limpid turret]

Xenos are not entirely impossible and some overhead transmissions suggest auric operatives being sent out to investigate 'sightings', but I doubt a larger Xenos presence is the case. (unless GSC counts as Xenos?) but it being a Hive City, at least a few random Xenos can be wandering about lmao

[unique orchid]

GSC are like, half tyranid humanoids or something

[limpid turret]

ik just semantics. i kinda classify them as more mutants ig but xenos isn't entirely wrong either

[cinder wadi]

anyone know which shock maul is the best at horde clear?

[unique orchid]

i think late-generation GSC are almost entirely tyranid, with the early ones being very human

[limpid turret]

tru

[quick burrow]

I use the weapon customization mod specifically for changing sights

Accatran mk2 all the way

[mortal horizon]

is this salvageable?
what blessings are you guys looking for?
Also...why the fuck does this thing not share blessings with the other shotguns?!

sorry..wrong pic

[limpid turret]

Both Barrels + dealers choice on second blessing IMO

[last parcel]

so they could have unique blessing such as both barrels

[mortal horizon]

dunno why it couldn't have unique blessings you need to learn AND carry over same ones...

[limpid turret]

ppl say Full Bore is a hard sell for it bc it has such a wide spread/you need to barrel stuff an enemy for it to proc

[mortal horizon]

the future if fatshark believed in any sort of QOL

[mortal horizon]

what about the manstopper/crit build from the reddit clip above

also the new shotgun skin...

doesnt work on the new shotgun either

like come on lmao

[somber axle]

man

he's so fucking huge I can't get a proper screenshot

but he looks SO COOL

[limpid turret]

For raw DPS, Both Barrels is prime pick - faster you can reload to the next shot = faster you can burst down the next target. But honestly that particular combo might be nice for hordes if u don't mind the reload speed loss

at a minimum I personally want to try out scattershot

[mortal horizon]

gotcha, how does it do vs armor?
I was thinking i probably want maniac. Im also stuck with + carapace. Is that workable, or not good?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bulldoze-crash-destroy-wreck-get-out-the-way-gif-14231086

[umbral garnet]

+10% reload speed, Speedload T4, Both barrels, Weapons Spec with Fleeting Fire

MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE

[dense ermine]

Hear me out
DB with Manstopper and Run 'n' gun

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/gears-of-war-cole-train-gif-15215650645978726386

[umbral garnet]

This reminds me of those stupid Madden gifs

https://tenor.com/view/madden-giferator-chicago-bears-gif-19763100

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/gears-of-war-4-gears-eliud-gifs-gif-7515310555995787017

I just like sharing Gears of War stuff

LOL

[last parcel]

💀

[dense ermine]

also when it comes to pure dmg firing 2 shots separately deals more dmg than firing both at the same time
due to pellet count being higher on single shot

[limpid turret]

not familiar with the breakpoints yet, but +flak +maniacs is a probably a safe bet. I have a bad roll and it still clears every maniac aside from a Mutant in a single, close-ish shot, so maybe even +flak +elites/unyielding is a good alternative too.

As far as Carapace goes, it takes like 3-4 shots and I'm not sure if it can push a breakpoint with max dmg/stoppwr + Carapace. So you can use it to stagger a Crusher in a pinch, but don't count on it if there's multiple of them lol

[dense ermine]

DB has no issues with specials that are closer than 5m and you headshot them

[limpid turret]

yeah I wanna try that combo, seems fun/a bit more flexible since the single target stopping power is already kind of absurd on a bad roll lmfao

[dense ermine]

but flamers further than 5m will survive single non crit shots from DB

regardless if it's headshot or body since DB isn't very accurate

[limpid turret]

my roll for ref, still hits like a truck. trying not to spend too much since itemization is coming later this summer

[dense ermine]

got these two but I am still trying to get manstopper for the second one

[somber axle]

Is this the first time anyone wants to use Infested

But also that sounds really good

[winter grove]

Space marine lookalike

[somber axle]

Ogryns look really good in full armour

[arctic rampart]

what mods did people have to update ? trying to get a game in but its crashing now

[last parcel]

the crossed out text and weapon customization
crosshair remap just got updated too

[radiant chasm]

with the death's head revolver that would look sick

[arctic rampart]

loader (https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/19?tab=description) had to be updated

[oblique totem]

Gotta admit, the news skins are sick as fuck

[arctic rampart]

yep https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277?tab=description too

[tall torrent]

Does that mean I have to manually enter everything into mod loader again

[glacial plover]

i feel mega nerfed, power sword still bad?

[flat pebble]

“Bad”?

[cyan vale]

Does anyone have a good build to run with the new shotgun?!

[terse idol]

Infiltrate is funny

I mean, combat spec, since you can always reload 1 shot

[arctic rampart]

mod_loader.txt should be backed up first, I guess? I copied the list and saved it back.

AFAIK most people use a bundle for plugins.. I get em myself probably not best setup

[tall torrent]

I’ll do it when I’m home

[thorn lark]

it's the worst, trust me

can't even kill a poxwalker

[serene bough]

96 or 69

[clear mist]

im gonna swap the middle one out but im not sure with what
me dumb me need help

[flat pebble]

Toughness or health prob

or stamina regen

[somber axle]

I think it's context sensitive based on what your HP pool looks like and what your other curios look like. I vaguely recall Numbers Cat mentioning something about 200 HP being a good number to hit to survive 2 sniper shots/2 poxburster pops without going down but idk what all goes into that. If you're aiming to reach 200 HP then the extra HP would be good. If not then you could go for toughness or stam regen instead

I use all Stam curios anyway so idk what you need for HP curios

I also don't even know if he was talking about Vet when it comes to the 200 HP thing tbh

[last parcel]

he was

it’s 2 hp curios for 200 hp, exact boost amt depends on talents and stuff

[somber axle]

Ah ok

I know most people double down on toughness curios instead but 2 HP + 1 Toughness or 2 HP + 1 Stam for curios sounds neat

[flat pebble]

I do the latter

vet gets enough toughness from the tree and shout

[somber axle]

Yeah I use triple Stam curios and don't put toughness on any of the perks

Iron Will/Close Quarters Drill is often more than enough TDR together

And you have a lot of really good options for toughness generation too

[midnight totem]

dinner done, ac turned on, time to kill heretics

[shadow dagger]

salvageable?

[junior needle]

Yeah, you'll want to swap out executor since it does not work well on mk3

I don't recall what knife wants for perks on vet

[terse idol]

One of the best weapons in the game still

[flat pebble]

flak always works

[flat pebble]

nuh uh it’s bad he said so

[clear mist]

yea i did ask the other day as well im just scard to mess up (i dont know if i can change the thing later or not)

[flat pebble]

if a perk/blessing doesn’t have a lock next to it, you can change it infinitely

and in like 3 months all locks are going away forever anyway

[junior needle]

Power swords are quite good but require you to know how to create room to charge

[flat pebble]

I just don’t like how low their base mobility is

i feel like the soles of my shoes have glue on them

[shadow dagger]

you have a car battery attached to the thing in your hands

what did you expect

[flat pebble]

considering you can run faster with a chain axe which is like a boat engine

[terse idol]

It's so bad

[flat pebble]

u can’t swing powered attacks 7 times in a row now it’s dead

[last parcel]

it's all over

[somber axle]

Yeah you can change it later. Curios are easier to make since you can change 2 of the perks and only 1 perk locks

If you change combat ability regen to HP but if you later decide you would rather do Stam Regen then you can change it another time after

[astral blade]

ya know what i just found funny

[last parcel]

your life?

[astral blade]

that and the fact people find zealots stealth better than vets

[gilded wraith]

recon 7a if I can't fit onslaught into my build?

[merry ore]

What are these event tiers and where do i go to look at it? I got like 70k dockets just rn

[gilded wraith]

Maybe your first login since the Skulls event?

[last parcel]

7a's firerate is a bit low to take advantage of onslaught versus the point cost, so it's fine

[merry ore]

Skulls event?

[winter grove]

"muh damage buff"

[crisp rapids]

ifound out i already had a bolt pistol IRL

[astral blade]

like we basically have 18 seconds invis if you take low profile well techncally 8 seconds but thats besides the point

[crisp rapids]

remove the attachments

its literally the gun

lmao

[astral blade]

not to mention we can surpress targets apon leaving stealth zealots dont have that

[winter grove]

Not suppress

Stagger

Iirc

[flat pebble]

with crit cdr zealots can just spam stealth tho

its just different i dont know that one is strictly better than the other

[winter grove]

If you're going crit cdr then shroudfield is def NOT the combat ability you're taking

[flat pebble]

? lol what are you taking with a knife and shroudfield, martydom?

momentum even though your mobility is already insane and doesn't need further buffs?

[winter grove]

I am not going knife shroudfield for crit cdr

[winter grove]

Lmao

[flat pebble]

no one is telling you to, and that's besides the point

people do actually do knife shroudfield with crit cdr

[winter grove]

Knife chastise tho

I'd try that ngl

I've saw people do that

[winter grove]

Then I stand corrected

[astral blade]

vet is better for reviving and objectives

zealot is best for damage

[winter grove]

Even then Vet outdamages zealot in melee with WS

[flat pebble]

vet isnt coming near the potential max burst with a melee weapon stealth zealots can get when thammer exists

[winter grove]

Psword push attack

[astral blade]

vets big damage comes after invis ends

[winter grove]

Might not 3 shot a boss

But can oneshot a crusher

[flat pebble]

3 shot? thammer one shots bosses with stealth

[astral blade]

still those there are those bozos that say zealot is better

[astral blade]

at stealth than vet

[last parcel]

nerf this

[somber axle]

Idk my Boltpistol works fine. At 10 stack Marksman's Focus it 1HKOs all specials and elites including Crushers. At 0 stacks it 2HKOs Crushers

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[somber axle]

Boltpistol is the ultimate test of if you can actually hit headshots with a gun that behaves like a toddler is shaking your arm

[crisp rapids]

skibidi dop dop dop dop yes yes yes OHK

[flat pebble]

idk im pretty sure youre coping or something

[crisp rapids]

skibidi bolter

epic

[winter grove]

I mean that's a cool flex

But uh

[crisp rapids]

i gotta try infinite ammo lasguns

they seem pretty poggers now

[winter grove]

Crucis kinda sucks with horde

Unlike ironhelm

[flat pebble]

you can one shot bosses with both

[somber axle]

I prefer the term clowning

[flat pebble]

ironhelm just needs more support

[astral blade]

anyways hope i've made my point those who play stealth zealot are in massive denial about zealots stealth being better than vets

[flat pebble]

its abundantly clear, yes

[midnight totem]

okay

[flat pebble]

youve made that point

[midnight totem]

puncture boltpistol and knife works pretty well

[last parcel]

but if you close your eeeeeeeeyes

[somber axle]

I tried using Voice of Command Focus Target Bolt Pistol and it really did feel like that LMFAO

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/amazed-om-nom-stories-om-nom-and-cut-the-rope-its-beautiful-im-speechless-gif-26647739

[midnight totem]

well actually didn't use puncture yet

[winter grove]

Still a cool flex but psword it's just better for everything else honestly

[midnight totem]

but it worked better then I thought

[somber axle]

I feel like most Vets are using Boltpistol without Marksman's Focus, Exe Stance, Deadly Accurate, Surgical and Rending because like who would go for such a combo other than a clown?

[last parcel]

because marksman focus exe stance doesn't scream commissar

[winter grove]

Thammers are funny I like them nonetheless

[somber axle]

It really doesn't and everyone wants to go Voice of Command for full Commissar vibes

But it benefits more from Marksman's Focus for hitting breakpoints

[winter grove]

I use bolt pistol on my stealth vet with taxe 4 lmao

Commisars can suck my ass I am going invisible

[somber axle]

They'll have to find your ass before they can suck it

[last parcel]

i think i got it!

oh no that was the daemonhost

[midnight totem]

the bpistol and bolter's infested damage

needs to be much higher though

it feels so goddamn bad pinging a hound in the head

and doing jackshit

[winter grove]

I still gotta process that Loose Cannon vets prefer being in Grendil warband rather than having a commissar nearby

[tall torrent]

Just put on rapid fire/assault crosshair, it’s not that complicated

[winter grove]

I bet they "accidentally" killed at least one commissar

[willow siren]

tumbled down some stairs, could happen to anyone

[midnight totem]

Look

I shake the toddler

not the other way around

[tall torrent]

“He got shot by enemy lasfire while he was turning around to lecture us, sir”

[somber axle]

One day I will remember to toy with the crosshair settings before jumping into the 1 Darktide match I have time for before I start work

Not today though

Today I got to enjoy the candle light in front of my new Boltpistol skin sights

Pay to lose is my fav mechanic

LMFAO

[midnight totem]

Just don't try to put an accessory on it

your game will crash

[winter grove]

Still mad I can't paint my bolt pistol red

[somber axle]

Loose Cannon Vets are probably former hive gangers who were in a Penal Legion for more legitimate reasons tbh

[somber axle]

My Boltpistol build 1HKOs hound heads but yeah the breakpoint is surprisingly tricky to hit

You can hit the 1HKO hound head breakpoint with Focus Target too but you need Deadly Accurate to reach it iirc

[winter grove]

I also did get to play with a good plasma

Now I more understand why people hate it

[somber axle]

I usually just pull out melee and slap the dog instead. My Chainsword Mk XIIIg 1HKOs hounds on light attack so it's easy to just shove dog, bonk dog's nose

[sinful swallow]

Wouldn't DA scale better with marksman

And since you can actually maintain exec with pistol you can just roll heads

[somber axle]

Yes and that's why I main Marksman's Focus keystone for Boltpistol because it lets you do silly things like this:

You don't need Longshot to hit the 1HKO breakpoint on Crusher

Swap that to Demo Team if you want nade regen

I don't use grenades very often so I tend to ignore it if I take shredders

I only really grab Demo Team if my build is using Kraks and usually because my loadout lacks good Crusher kill potential otherwise

Most of my talent builds/loadouts have either one or both weapons ready for ripping apart Crushers lightning fast though

You could also swap "The Bigger They Are" off Exe Stance into Demo Team

[frank ether]

crosshair remap got updated

I assume it involves boltpistol aswell

[somber axle]

I just like being able to maintain refresh on Exe Stance by killing Crushers, Bulwarks and Reapers

[frank ether]

time to give boltp a fair shot I guess

but so far my impression is that its a worse boltgun if I'm gonna use exe

[umbral scaffold]

man

would raking fire on the double barrel be too much?

feel like raking fire is fun to use but it's on a handful of guns

wish it was on the double barrel

[somber axle]

There are pros and cons to both. The larger clip size on the Boltgun makes it better for taking out more targets during a short window between reloads and the automatic fire is fantastic for bursting into bosses but the Boltgun doesn't hit the same 1HKO breakpoint on Crushers through Exe Stance/Marksman's Focus that Boltpistol can because there's no Deadly Accurate on it. Pinning Fire helps it for bodyshot breakpoints though. Boltpistol has faster weapon swap, faster reload and combos better with Marksman's Focus because of Deadly Accurate. If you can aim heads consistently with Boltpistol you will probably enjoy the convenience of all those things I listed vs Boltgun but aiming heads with the Boltpistol is tricky because of the slight angle the weapon is held while aiming down sights and the high recoil/sway on shots. Follow up shots even with Exe Stance can be tricky if you don't time it correctly or compensate enough for the jerky motions

It definitely feels like a weapon that can hit better breakpoints than Boltgun but is trickier to handle and rewards consistent headshots while punishing body shots

If someone feels the Boltpistol is like a nerf gun compared to the Boltgun, it's probably because they are bodyshotting too often with it. The lack of Pinning Fire means it can't do bodyshots like Boltgun can

Execution/Lethal Proximity is not a substitute for Pinning Fire

It is very deceptive looking at just the damage number because they look like they should perform the same on damage but they don't

They have very different playstyles

[sturdy zephyr]

I like your build.

Efficient

[somber axle]

Thanks!

I've heard Weapon Specialist is also a solid keystone choice for Boltpistol but tbh I haven't tested Boltpistol with that in Aurics yet so idk

[winter grove]

Boltpistol DA + WS fucks I heard

[twin cipher]

Is glory hunter any good on pistols?

[frank ether]

the core problem with boltpistol is that its a jank ass weapon with visual recoil + sway in a game where zarona exists, does more damage, kills like 3-4 targets per hit and can fire back to back with little to no recoil or sway.

[twin cipher]

Bolt pistol

[winter grove]

Forget zarona exists because it's clearly better option like ciag and plasma

[little path]

Bolt pistol is just worse revolver

still usable but don't expect it to be anything more than flavour

Better ammo eco though

[somber axle]

The guaranteed crit is very good for comboing with Deadly Accurate but it is only the first crit so I am wary. I'm not sure it helps with breakpoints like Focus Target or Marksman's Focus since Surgical also helps push crits

[cyan vale]

what talents do we want on the new shotgun?!

[little path]

Fullbore

your choice of deathspitter or the funny reload one

though honestly if you're running shotgun you should also be running the right side keystone

so you can reload by just swapping to your melee and back

[somber axle]

Boltpistol can kill more targets than Zarona Revolver between reloads and reloads the whole clip faster than you can swap melee, kill a poxwalker and swap back to Revolver to shoot one shot. You have to take the whole weapon profile into consideration when comparing weapons. Zarona Revolver IS very strong and is one of the three most powerful weapons for a reason but for sustained engagements you basically have to use Weapon Specialist and use the auto reload talent on swap to keep the momentum going because doing a manual reload on a Zarona Revolver is slow even with reload talents

Boltpistol handles melee chaff better too

[coral willow]

but obviously zarona neards will say otherwise

[cyan vale]

can i see your setup for it..?

[somber axle]

If you're using Zarona you're probably not burning shots killing the 20 non-elite shooters because you know the next room will have 20 more

Boltpistol can comfortably kill shooters in my experience without being too afraid of running out of ammo

They both have very different strengths and weaknesses and different builds

[little path]

8 shots in the mag though still makes it not the greatest for killing shooters

wish it was like

10

also wish the melee bash had better stagger

[frank ether]

?? lol

[little path]

one sec

[oblique totem]

Bolt gun? More like Dolt Gun amiright?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-kitty-gif-25252430

[little path]

I use this build specifically for shotguns

You can switch out survivalist for the movement speed one

and you can go for Deadshot to give better crit chance when you fire both barrels

But the overall idea is that you get a melee kill, swap to the double barrel and quickly fire one or both rounds

then swap back to melee, get at least one kill, swap to gun again to reload a shell

[cyan vale]

okay, thanks!

[midnight totem]

man

now that I've brought the veteran armor

I regret it, because it doesn't look good

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-mad-door-slam-quit-gif-22084787

[unique orchid]

which, the new set?

[midnight totem]

yeah

[unique orchid]

i dont think its that bad

the colors do make it a bit hard to match though

[somber axle]

Yes because the Boltpistol explosion stagger is very nice to AoE interrupt targets so it acts as a more effective suppression effect and can also push shooters out of their cover, knock poxbursters over, interrupt hound pounce, and provide additional fire support for allied players engaged in melee while firing on the melee elites mixed in with the horde

It has a lot of benefits

Even without Lethal Proximity I have noticed the tiny explosion helps immensely for pushing additional targets around the main elite/special I am sniping

[frank ether]

like.. use a boltgun? lmao

[somber axle]

I can't tell if you're trolling or if the benefits of AoE stagger are lost on you but either way LMFAO

Just use other guns

If you dislike Boltpistol, you don't have to use it

I love Boltpistol so I am happy to explain the ways I have used it in Aurics since it was released and the clown science I have done to test breakpoints

[frank ether]

''chaff benefits'' you can get from.. literally bashing the chaff

[somber axle]

Boltpistol bash isn't killing an elite while staggering things around it

Plus as funny as it sounds you CAN panic shoot a poxburster and stagger it out of the run animation

I have done it a few times

It ends up on its back and sets it up for a clean kill without threatening anyone

[bitter turtle]

since you like palying meme builds

#veteran-class message

i thought about doing this

lul

[somber axle]

You SHOULD just shove but if you panic shoot you will still be fine

[placid portal]

I'd be honest the faster handling of the bolt pistol makes it really great compared to boltgun

[bitter turtle]

no need for any crits

[tall torrent]

U leaving?

[bitter turtle]

o idk if you saw what i said

the game keeps poopooing itself

freezing -> desync for 10 seconds

i prob gonna stop

i almost shat myself once

[somber axle]

Is that bleed Boltpistol?? LMFAO
Ok I actually do want to try that send me the talent tree and the blessing recommendation

[bitter turtle]

ran into a group of 5 crusher and then desync

teleported behidn them

[tall torrent]

ok

[bitter turtle]

the "point" of it is so u only need to take superiority complex

and nothing else

and u can 1 tap flamer/gunners and 2 tap bodyshot ragers, 3 bodyshot maulers with no crits involved

idk if its a complete meme or an ok idea

also it means you dont need surg/DA so you can run

idk

lethal explosion? Gloryhunter? someshit

[serene bough]

I like run n gun

[sinful smelt]

Guys

Wth

[frank ether]

I mean I don't understand what you're even getting at like ''look at this ultra niche side benefit that lets me cope with not having zarona damage, penetration', speed or accuracy'

[bitter turtle]

but yeah, doing puncture means you can drop longshot, deadshot, everything except superiority complex

im totally not just coping bc i cant roll a goddamn DA

[frank ether]

the gun is cool and all but its undercooked and exists in a game where a funny pocket revolver hits harder

[bitter turtle]

i think if u ignore zarona it has a niche

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol should have infinite ammo

[sinful smelt]

What should I put on this power sword?

[bitter turtle]

cycler + bromentum/sunder

[frank ether]

If I ignore zarona its still mid at best because it has the same bolter ADS jank cranked to 11

[bitter turtle]

yeah but you cant play wep specialist bolter

[slow spade]

Lol

[frank ether]

This place cried rivers over agrippa revolver

[bitter turtle]

even if you do meme swap tech

[somber axle]

If you ever figure out something to say other than "but why not other weapon" we can continue this conversation but otherwise just go play with whatever you find fun and if I meet you in Auric Quickplay I can show you how good Boltpistol is in a clown's hands

[frank ether]

agrippa can jam 5 very accurate bullets in like no time window

[bitter turtle]

woah

i played agri volver

i played it with surgical and got called a memelord for it

i know its not that bad acc wise

i think vs boltpistol the benefit is better precision still though

[frank ether]

Using boltp is also a memelord build over zarona

[bitter turtle]

assuming you can deal with the jank recoil

[frank ether]

its not more precise

[bitter turtle]

vs agri?

i think i can only get agri to be reliably accurate at 15m ish

for headshots

[slow spade]

Tbh I just need a better sight (I can't see the iron sights lol)

[frank ether]

That sounds like a you problem honestly

[serene bough]

I tend to find the bistol is best at just blasting things mid/close range

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol would be fine otherwise

[bitter turtle]

well

if u can show me otherwise go ahead

i did it in psyk just backing up until it stopped getting headshot 100% of the time

like

u can headshot past that but it has a chance to miss or hit body

[slow spade]

I'll always love the random people come in that go "maybe you're just bad 🤓"

[bitter turtle]

im not saying its shit for that btw

i think that's fair

unlike zarona meme armor piercing sniper rifle at 999999 range away

[slow spade]

Zarona needs a scope

[serene bough]

I feel like the bolt pistol shouldn't need to put a huge emphasis on weak spots

[bitter turtle]

well

[serene bough]

Its a hand held rocket after all

[bitter turtle]

its really just a handheld bolter that swaps faster but has no full auto option

[bitter turtle]

and bolter is a finesse weapon

rn

so ig boltpistol ends up the same

[small loom]

I do like the bolt pistol

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol funny

Though I wonder if I should pack krak grenade for bosses

[small loom]

I go shredder frag nades personally

[slow spade]

Because the game INSISTS on spawning a boss during the opening section on the new map

[bitter turtle]

just dont drop down

on the right

on the first fork

the one way drop down

its a deathtrap

lol

[sinful smelt]

I got cycler, what perks dya reckon

[small loom]

Couldnt be me (is absolutely me)

[bitter turtle]

i stg any time someone takes teha tpath the director just goes "ok" and spawns a BoN

[frank ether]

If you can't hit past 15 meters you are indeed bad, not just bad, you're dogshit

[slow spade]

Yeah we lost 2 teammates because a BoN spawned

[slow spade]

Kk nerd

[frank ether]

tard

[bitter turtle]

elite/maniac/unyielding/carapace all valid