veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[junior needle]

So it's likely objectively the best variant, and it's only slightly behind the 2 in ammo efficiency

[bitter turtle]

the maniac damage is acceptable now and it still has the cleave + super accurate at long ranges

[junior needle]

The 7a had the same maniac modifier prepatch

The base damage got buffed on it

[bitter turtle]

6 is funny and all with that rof but i was still whelmed by it

yea i know

but still

[tribal tangle]

best blessings/perks for shock mauls?

[bitter turtle]

its good enough to take out specialists now

[junior needle]

Still not IAG tier unfortunately, but maybe the overall ammo efficiency with shocktrooper will give it some kind of comparable benefit

[junior needle]

skullcrusher/electrified target damage seems to be recommended currently

[nimble wadi]

Are recon lasguns viable now 👀

[tribal tangle]

ty

[junior needle]

They were "viable" before if you didn't care that they were bad

[mystic laurel]

this is probably entirely a lack of skill or bad build, but while I love the lasguns for flavor and style, every time I try to put together a primarily ranged build on my vet with any lasgun it feels so much weaker than my normal build

[junior needle]

We just were explaining this, if you scroll up a bit

I put down some info and numbers

[mystic laurel]

not sure where I go wrong, but I've ended up using chainsword and revolver for a while now, and it is my strongest character

[junior needle]

Which ones are you trying to use

[untold moth]

I’ve had success with the 6. But the thing is ammo hungry.. going to see if I can fit survivalist in my build,

[bitter turtle]

tbf

i think its better than you're giving it credit for

if u compare it to giag

similar dps on flak

[junior needle]

6d seems to be objectively the worst one atm

[mystic laurel]

I've used them all, with various builds focused on ranged/snipy/hvt takedown talents

[bitter turtle]

giag wins on maniac but not TOO insanely now

but 7 has cleave and perfect accuracy/stability

[junior needle]

#veteran-class message You can see why here

[bitter turtle]

also this is with bodyshots

[junior needle]

Not quite perfect but very good

Oh

[bitter turtle]

so in practice doing headshot makes the gap close

a bit

[junior needle]

Well that explains it

[bitter turtle]

for maniac

[junior needle]

Iag's are finesse weapons

[mystic laurel]

various infantry models, helbore, recons... none of my ranged builds do as well overall as just primarily relying on melee with a revolver and kraks for taking out specialists and big boys

[bitter turtle]

yea but recon has headhunter

[junior needle]

Well revolver is one of the best weapons in the game atm

[untold mulch]

noted, thanks

[junior needle]

So most things will be a hard sell

[untold mulch]

Also just me

[untold moth]

Is dumdum bugged? I swear I don’t notice it as much as I used to a couple months ago

[untold mulch]

or a handling nerf?

[mystic laurel]

yeah, I discoverd it on my zealot, and I have 2 zealots and my vet all run chainsword and revolver lol

[junior needle]

Yes, 6d had its reload speed and equip speed lowered for literally zero reason

On top of having the worst ammo efficiency

[untold moth]

It’s the most fun, so it can’t be good

[junior needle]

It was in the notes

[untold mulch]

Fatshark do be fatshark

[junior needle]

One of the mods who was responsible for the changes said "but its magazine size now though"

[mystic laurel]

I saw that too, that's my fav recon just because it is the most fun to use. I rate by funness since I can't do well with any of them lol

[untold mulch]

2 has the best ammo efficiency as I gotten, but dps viable?

[untold mulch]

missing the point

I used it once, saw the handling and swapped to 7a instanlty

[junior needle]

The dps was supposedly normalized, on anything except crushers with onslaught the performance should be very similar

[untold moth]

I haven’t been able to get the 2 or 7 to work well on auric damnation yet.. The 6 is fine, but ammo economy is an issue

[untold mulch]

I am using a fast rifle not a heavy ass machinegun

[junior needle]

7a is currently the best one, make sure you take dumdum and HH and not infernus on the slower variants

[untold mulch]

oh right

infernus

got nerfed

[junior needle]

only t3

[untold mulch]

the amount of kek is beyond me

[untold mulch]

still utterly baffling

[frank basin]

What’s range for dumdum trigger once again?

[bitter turtle]

triggers at all ranges

the dmg buff falls off over distance

[untold moth]

I am waiting to roll more guns until they remove the asinine locks

[frank basin]

Isn’t the description said close range?

[bitter turtle]

yes

but it works like the zelaot talent

anoint in blood

[junior needle]

This is true, but it benefits less from HH than other guns due to below average finesse values.

[frank basin]

7m is close range

[untold mulch]

Wait the entire summer

[bitter turtle]

maxes out at 8m but u still get a buff even at longer range

just less of a buff

[untold moth]

I thought close range was 15m

[junior needle]

Close range =/= close range damage, close range damage works like anoint in blood

[bitter turtle]

yea but im saying the gap isnt like

fuckhuge anymore

its like 2.5k dps vs 3.5k

even on headshots

like

[untold mulch]

It supposed to be

[bitter turtle]

that is an ok trade for cleave + perfect stability/recoil

vs giag

which i think is apretty solid B+/A tier gun

[junior needle]

It's still being outperformed but it's not as ridiculous, yeah. But giag isn't the big cleave model on the iag line.

[bitter turtle]

well

[untold moth]

How long has it been bugged to not be 15m

[bitter turtle]

if u compare to aiag

then the dps gets even smaller difference

im comparing to giag bc its the most stable one

[untold mulch]

Since last year I think

[bitter turtle]

in terms of recoil

[untold mulch]

It may be the new number

Fatshark doesnt says shit

[junior needle]

Changed in the talent patch to be about 7m~

[bitter turtle]

fwiw

[untold moth]

Big bummer. I mean, I guess they are right, 7m is pretty damn close

[bitter turtle]

my aiag gets like 3.2k dps

for maniac

on avg

so the gap is even less

th oin this case its stability/recoil vs dmg

since aiag has cleave as well

[untold mulch]

7m is basically on your face

[untold moth]

Yeah. 7m makes dumdum pretty terrible.. 15m was fine

[bitter turtle]

also ig you can shoot longer

lol

on recon

without reloading

[junior needle]

Dumdum works much differently than you think

[agile forge]

Is CIAG still strong(est)?

[bitter turtle]

you still get a dmg buff

[junior needle]

Close range damage =/= close range, the terms are confusing

[bitter turtle]

even farther than 7m

[junior needle]

yes

[bitter turtle]

it just falls off up to 30m

or so

so like

u get half the buff at 20m (im making these numbers up)

[agile forge]

I figured the nerf was marginal tbh

[bitter turtle]

as an example

[junior needle]

Full value up to 8m~ and then tapers, yep

You don't just only get damage up to that range

[bitter turtle]

its strong

nearly every gun that has dumdum runs it

[junior needle]

Really strong, most targets will be shot within 30m

And the most pressing dangers will be shot closer

[quartz patio]

ciag?

[junior needle]

columnus iag

[bitter turtle]

oh btw

fwiw

my recon doesnt have maniac on it lol

so the actual gap between it and hte iags i tested is prob smaller

just realized

my 7 has a lock on unarmored kek

i guess if i had maniac it would prob be more like 3k manic dps

[proven oasis]

new shottey any good?

[junior needle]

This assumes 10 stack MF with the rending thing though

Need new sights on this though

The base ones are awful, especially with the muzzle flash

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/f10f1e99528238a1124482e30ccdb2ea.jpg

im getting 2.5k with 5 redirect 2 focus

i just assume +25% = close to 3k

the gap between it and aiag is really small then

so its just a little more dps vs stability

for maniac at least

[carmine cradle]

how yall building assault rifles?

and also, seperately, recon lasgun?

[bitter turtle]

same as always

wdym by assault rifles

iags?

[junior needle]

Nothing has changed on recon blessing/perks

[untold moth]

Switching load out in pregame lobby crashed my game..

[bitter turtle]

yea its built the same way its just less shitty now

[junior needle]

You also want rending on every model now

You don't need onslaught

But at least rending strikes

[carmine cradle]

autoguns, but specifically the braced and infantry variants

[junior needle]

So with the same build I was using for that test with the 7a, which also avoided precision strikes, I got at least 4k maniac dps with a giag

It was also clearly optimized for recons and could probably get better performance without shocktrooper and with precision

[junior needle]

All IAG's are flak/maniac and dumdum with a flexible second blessing last I checked, recons are flak/maniac/crit chance and HH/dumdum primarily (infernus is an option for the 6d specifically), brautos want flak/maniac perks and probably DS/FF for max damage but you can substitute one for stripped if you want.

[bitter turtle]

well

its like u said

its a finesse weapon

MF is going to disproportionately benefit it

[junior needle]

Lemme switch to uh

ping

I'll try and keep the build neutral

[bitter turtle]

also keep in mind i didnt really focu son full headshot

like

i did repeatedly from a bit of distance away and just avg'd it

if that makes sense

i know prob giag exceed 4k if you really can full headshot on a mutant

with the gap closer and similar dmg on flak now i just think its prob an ok tradeoff to make

to begin with i use giag more than ciag when i played iags just bc i valued the reliability for pugs

int erms of recoil/stability vs just picking the higher dps gun

[carmine cradle]

sweet, and talents?

[junior needle]

You can definitely exceed 4k without ult buffs or exe, I just did it

[bitter turtle]

yea

[junior needle]

Got 3.8k maniac headshot when I forgot to hit the ping

[bitter turtle]

but the question is if u really need it

since recon can break 2k now

taking ages to kill flamer is not as much of an issue anymore

killing specialist slowly was one of the most annoying part about it

[carmine cradle]

@junior needle i would assume infantry just takes fire frenzy as its second?

cause more free damage

[junior needle]

Do I really need like a thousand+ extra dps?

[junior needle]

ff only procs on kills within like 7m

Also ds stacks to 5

[carmine cradle]

ds = deathspitter?

[bitter turtle]

its not a straight dps comparison as much as asking if ur willing to lose som ettk on flamers so you can kill long range bomber/snipers more reliably

[junior needle]

yes

Stripped is also a nice utility option

[bitter turtle]

the cleave means u can usually just hover your crosshair over them and hold down fire key

[junior needle]

Well it's not just flamers, consider the dps difference on say, rager packs for something more pressing

[bitter turtle]

and they will probably die over time

pretty fast

that is literally

the only thing more pressing

debatably so

than specialists snaeaking up on you i mean

[junior needle]

Flamers are pretty squish

[bitter turtle]

yes but killing them fast is important

and playing recon as a meme prepatch

honestly

[junior needle]

So obviously even big ttk differences will seem less impactful on them

[bitter turtle]

i think that was the worst part about the gun

[junior needle]

When it has like 800 health or something

[bitter turtle]

you could not stop them from shotoing flames

most of the time

and 1.4k hp

not 800

[junior needle]

Oh true

[bitter turtle]

so prepatch the shitty dps was actually really harmful

[junior needle]

Trapper is 800?

[bitter turtle]

u just had to accept they were going to puff some flame at you always

if you played recon

and yeah trapper is 800

[junior needle]

trapper is 900

[bitter turtle]

w/e close enough

i think its bomber thats 800 then

?

something is 800

idk they are all paper anyway

the only thing you really consider for maniac dmg is flamer/ragers

for guns

[serene bough]

flak bomber 750 tox bomber 1000

[bitter turtle]

idk if gameslantern is full of shit

https://gameslantern.com/article/darktide-enemy-hp-guide-for-breakpoints

it says bomber is 800

maybe outdated idk im not booting up the game to check

[junior needle]

scab bomber is 750, just checked

[bitter turtle]

rip fake news article

[serene bough]

i know scab bomber bc i was irritated trying to reach a breakpoint some time ago

lols

[gaunt hinge]

gameslantern more like, false data in the cogitator array

[junior needle]

Game freezes while I'm trying out sights for my guns

[bitter turtle]

its a bug

going on

appoarently

if ur using weapon customization

i had to uninstall it

it just freezes and dcs every so often

[midnight totem]

Ha! Be like me instead

[junior needle]

It didn't crash this time

[midnight totem]

Don't use mods for optimal game stability

Get dc'd and crash anyway because Fatshark

[junior needle]

I'd rather not play the game than use unmodded at this point

[midnight totem]

... get dc'd and crash anyway because fatshark

[junior needle]

Can't crash if you don't play

No matters whose fault it is

[gaunt hinge]

hey dont jinx it

[slow spade]

Me opening my inventory

I have a limit to how many times I can open my inventory before it gets u stable

Very fun times

[hearty panther]

There's probably been more inventory lookup requests in the last 24hrs than happened all last month

[faint beacon]

Last night I bought exactly one Pickaxe and the game crashed lmao

[fair river]

I dont even crash anymore it’s just the servers being unable to conncet to my internet 😭

[analog mural]

Inventory is not something that should be lagging in the first place. Imagine opening your bank in name any MMO and it just crashes the game

[midnight totem]

Mmos have inventory limits

[tiny summit]

Tried out bolt pistol. Felt like quickdraw bolter and that was about it

[tawny badger]

bolt pistol feels good

[umbral scaffold]

help im fleeing here cos zealot chat has gone reddit mode

[midnight totem]

Welcome

[merry ore]

lol what happen?

[midnight totem]

I'm not sure we're that much better

[junior needle]

First game with a recon player post patch

It's a wipe

God I hate how dogs can just instapounce in melee

[midnight totem]

Maybe you should've carried harder

[junior needle]

I should've, I was trying the mk6 knife

[merry ore]

Block push usually helps

[junior needle]

I didn't like it

Yeah, I did that

[flat pebble]

Discussion about buildcrafting and how your team can take care of crushers for u

[junior needle]

And then I went to smack it in the mouth

And then it did 1/10 of an animation and was on top of me instant

[merry ore]

Ya aren’t zealots more for cc tho

[midnight totem]

That happens sometimes and it's the most annoying shi

[torn gorge]

is that tangential to flamer and the change to chastise the wicked?

[coral willow]

discussion about sunder

is mk3>mk6 now cause sunder?

[flat pebble]

ehhhhhh I mean some people might make that argument but generally speaking it’s agreed killing enemies is better than staggering them

[flat pebble]

No surprisingly

[midnight totem]

Arguably

[flat pebble]

change to chastise sort of but flamer was not the topic

[midnight totem]

Brutal momentum nerf doesn't change too much for mk6

[coral willow]

i mean

bromentum nerf was

specifically for mk5 shovi

[junior needle]

Also, why is my in game chat permanently scuffed

[midnight totem]

Sunder has always worked better with mk3

[merry ore]

How so?

[coral willow]

and like i once did 3 bulwark kills with achylis mk8 caxe and im sad that now i cant use thay

[flat pebble]

disconnected from chat server or is it just insane teammates

[junior needle]

No channels, nothing goes into chat if typed

[flat pebble]

oh you need to restart when that happens unfortunately

you got dced from chat server

[midnight totem]

They took our ogryns's ability to block shots and gave it to enemy ogryns

[flat pebble]

Monkey paw doth curl

[merry ore]

Skill issue

[dark sorrel]

is scattershot even necessary on db shotty if i have the weapons specialist keystone

[flat pebble]

i mean it seems like the crits are just for turning on manstopper so

probably not in your case

[midnight totem]

If you want to crit for follow up shots, yes

[flat pebble]

it would be more important if it had a good finesse modifier but apparently it doesn’t have one

[dark sorrel]

Gotcha

Trying to make this shotgun work

Feels like I need to be under their noses to get a one hit kill lol

[flat pebble]

Seems like the general consensus ya

but apparently it can one shot a mauler point blank so that’s neat

[dark sorrel]

Full bore seems difficult to get off

well unless youre shooting into a horde

wait the run n gun bonus only applies to sprinting???

[flat pebble]

I think the ideal is both barrels + deathspitter based on what I’ve heard about that gun

[dark sorrel]

im gonna try run n gun

cuz im pretty sure it also reduces spread by a little bit

[rocky jacinth]

friendship ended with RASHAD
now SHOCK MAUL is my best friend

[dark sorrel]

is it really that good?

[grand perch]

mk3 is damn good

[flat pebble]

better call saul

[gilded wraith]

Does Lethal Proximity have any effect on Krak grenades?

[rocky jacinth]

i don't know, but like zilia said the mk3 is fantastic, super fun to use

[grand perch]

just lacking a way to stagger multiple ragers

[rocky jacinth]

no melee talents and i'm just smashing everything

[torn gorge]

thats an old bug tbh

[gilded wraith]

Or... being stuck in Morningstar chat once a mission starts.

[dark sorrel]

Yeah run n gun makes the db shotty feel more consistent at longer ranges

[rocky jacinth]

what about scattershot manstopper on the ssg

[tame lodge]

Is the spread reduction noticeable now?

[dark sorrel]

It is for me

I've had it on the agripinaa revolver for the longest time

[tame lodge]

Yeah RnG has unlisted bonus and now that they addressed the crosshairs
It might see more action

[junior needle]

has to hit the same atrget

So hordes are no go

[blazing cargo]

Its just me or bolter pistol kinda sucks? Its cool when poxwalkers explode but shooting anything else does like 0 visual reaction

[junior needle]

I've had it happen in games right after restarting too

[flat pebble]

that sucks

[junior needle]

Gonna verify my game files

[flat pebble]

i just mean that the only way to fix it is to restart, but if it keeps happening that’s unfortunate. but I don’t know of any other way that gets fixed

[junior needle]

Hopefully it doesn't scuff my settings and hotkeys

[grand perch]

nope

#veteran-class message

[junior needle]

I mean

Being able to one tap shotgunners isn't the most impressive feat

[blazing cargo]

Very nice, now try to 1shot a doggo

[grand perch]

why is that your frame of reference?

[slate hawk]

Because funny tanner scream

[blazing cargo]

Why not? Anyway im speaking about hit animation or rather lack of it

[torn gorge]

first shot was a miss

truly a gun

bolt weapon sway is what makes them so unreliable

i still struggle to find a use case over a revolver

even in the context of a agile engagement build

[river wraith]

i think i got a pretty good recon tbh

[trim hemlock]

Deathspitter -> Dumdum or Headhunter and it's fairly good

[junior needle]

HH is mandatory I'd say

And it has infernus locked already so

Best way to get the most value

[grand perch]

because infested is specifically the armor type that bolt weaponry sucks at

[blazing cargo]

Thats 3rd time u missed the point but okay, im done xD

[grand perch]

nice fellow, good talk.

[frank basin]

oh, so mk2 buff dmg to around 100, that's neats

[wise fossil]

new smelter felt wonky

the new elevator exit was cool, but the end event was nerfed

[torn gorge]

wait what

[umbral garnet]

Of course because they're all trash enemies meant for melee(?)

[torn gorge]

they supposedly made it harder

or at least that was their intention

[wise fossil]

they made it more freeform, not harder

choose your own adventure

[torn gorge]

didnt they mention also trying to curb the rendez-vous at the door?

[umbral garnet]

Yes, they removed the little stairway to reduce choking of enemies.

[wise fossil]

They removed the tiny stairs area in front of the door

[umbral garnet]

But it's still easy lmfao

[wise fossil]

so you still stand there, it's just an open area instead of corners to hide behind

[torn gorge]

[lime gyro]

Wait wtf mk2 got dmg buff?

[torn gorge]

the new safe spot might just be on the left inside the dome

considering there are not many flamers/bombers spawning

[umbral garnet]

I had practically no issue with ranged enemies spawning in the end there.

[flat pebble]

I would hesitate to call hounds a trash enemy

[torn gorge]

i mean it wasnt hard before, unless silly modifiers

[wise fossil]

I just finished a vent purge sniper gauntlet and we had no snipers while waiting for the door lol

[umbral garnet]

Sure, they're a dangerous disabler but they're far from durable.

Durability in this context is my gauge for trash vs bigguns

[torn gorge]

i think during the events some modifiers do not happen

[flat pebble]

yeah but they tank bolt shots because they have an infested armor type and bolters have bad ADM against infested

that’s what that topic was discussing

[umbral garnet]

Exactly.

I just feel it's a bit counterintuitive to point at bolt weapons having bad Infected damage because infected is such a 'weak' enemy type already.

[lime gyro]

did recons get buffed

[umbral garnet]

They don't need firepower to be dealt with, is what I'm saying.

[flat pebble]

Yarp

[lime gyro]

Wtf really

[torn gorge]

mk2 and 7

[flat pebble]

yeah they’re good now apparently

[torn gorge]

"good"

[lime gyro]

How much do they do now

[sinful jacinth]

But the real question is. Is it buffed enough to be used?

[torn gorge]

they are

usable

more than before

[sinful jacinth]

Alright, might give it a go then when I get back home from work.

[flat pebble]

tbh I think the intention was to make it so bolters with their explosive rounds couldn’t trivialize hordes and that they aren’t good at killing hounds is just a secondary thing that happens because of that choice

[umbral garnet]

Most likely.

[torn gorge]

you trade ease of use and higher uptime for lower damage/finesse multipliers and still worse maniac damage

[umbral garnet]

The boltgun shreds through infested hordes because of cleave, not splash damage, so I see what you mean there.

[torn gorge]

new bolt pistol has lot of radial stagger fwiw

[flat pebble]

yeah I mean if you could kill 4 poxies per shot it’d be insane

[torn gorge]

prob more than boltgun?

[flat pebble]

you can already stunlock hordes with bolt shots as it is

[umbral garnet]

I'm happy with the boltpistol I got.

[flat pebble]

yeah honestly I’m team bolt pistol is acceptable bordering on good

[torn gorge]

im not sure there is much value in stunlocking hordes ranged

tbh

[flat pebble]

after 4ish rounds with it I think the only downside is it’s hard to deal with maniac ragers with the BP

[flat pebble]

i mean there’s value in it it’s just the cost benefit isn’t there

[umbral garnet]

A lovely 372 with +100 crit weakspot and one perk synergised with it, being +8% ranged crit dmg.

[torn gorge]

id rather have a melee range stun than a ranged stun

in a game like tide

[flat pebble]

it’s not worth spending ammunition on stuns when the alternative is kills

[umbral garnet]

Now I just want to grind for the crit stacks from that one blessing I forgot the name of to really make it shine.

[torn gorge]

deadly accurate/surgical?

[umbral garnet]

Yes, those.

[torn gorge]

its ok

nothing crazy

weapon has lot of sway

[flat pebble]

I’m using surgical execution and enjoy it. got 25% flakiac as well

one taps the enemies I want to one tap

[torn gorge]

and it seems like adsing on purpose is just gonna make it perform worse

than a quick whip out and hipfire shot

[umbral garnet]

I have 79 stability and I feel like it really isn't that bad.

[blazing cargo]

The point was Bolter has explosive rounds but they dont explode in game when they hit lets say a hound or rager

[torn gorge]

i have an 80 stability roll as well

didnt notice much of a difference

tbh

[flat pebble]

ime bolt pistol sway wasn’t bad but the flinch is insane, needs the vet suppression immunity talent desperately

[torn gorge]

im not exactly sure what is the supposed role the gun has been designed around

[flat pebble]

it’s a sidegrade to the bolter plain and simple

[torn gorge]

it really isnt

[umbral garnet]

It's definitely not a marksman's weapon, I'll give you that, but that 10% alone for aiming .3 seconds really helps me push my confirmed crits.

[flat pebble]

it’s literally the same damage profile with better handlings, less ammo per mag and no full auto choice. It’s a sidegrade

[torn gorge]

in the context of bolter use case?

[flat pebble]

the bolter is a heavy dmr with mag dumping capability

[torn gorge]

you pick the bolter because you want decent precision damage or the ability to dump on a boss

bolt pistol cant cover the latter

[flat pebble]

bolt pistol is functionally a heavy dmr in practice with no mag dump but better ergonomics

[umbral garnet]

I feel the gun was made around the philosophy of "oh shit" button for when a problematic specialist pops in before you return to melee.

[torn gorge]

if the bolt pistol functionality is of a heavy dmr then it has a much stiffer competition

[umbral garnet]

Because the bolter, while capable of that, has HUGE draw time.

[torn gorge]

why would i pick a bolter over a revolver

for example

[umbral garnet]

Because drip.

Lmao

[flat pebble]

because you enjoy the experience of using one gun over the other

[hearty panther]

8 shots, tiered reload, more ammo

[torn gorge]

case in point

[umbral garnet]

I cannot give you any funtioncal reason.

[torn gorge]

fun and flavorful weapon

[flat pebble]

it’s up to you not to optimize the fun out of the game

[torn gorge]

not really a defined use case

[umbral garnet]

It's not excellent, it's not bad, it's ok.

[torn gorge]

which was my original point

lack of overpenetration for a weapon that is not meant as the primary also hurt its usability

in a horde game

[flat pebble]

its use case is that it mostly does what a bolter does but with better ergonomics which was my original point

[torn gorge]

idk i think lower mag is also quite the downgrade over bolter

in the context of using it like a bolter

[umbral garnet]

Well, if I were to step into the devs' shoes, I can understand the boltpistol being a difficult thing to implement with a specific role. Everyone begged for it to be in the game because "it's so iconic" and commissar builds but, functionally, it's between the revolver and the bolter.

Poor bastards really didn't have a good way to put it in, to be fair.

[flat pebble]

I think it’s definitely a tally in the con category and think with some use I still prefer the bolter but some people are turned off hugely by the ergonomics of the bolter and that the bolt pistol handles more swiftly is a very significant upgrade

[hearty panther]

something a revo deffo doesnt do is break open a space for you with a single shot

[torn gorge]

i think bolt pistol should have some overpenetration tbh

it is already a downgrade in terms of ergonomics compared to a revolver

[umbral garnet]

GIVE IT PLASMA CLEAVE

WOOHOO

BANG BANG BANG

BYE BYE HERETIC

[hearty panther]

nah, i see it as a sidegrade. and also revo is not a realistic comparison for anything that isnt itself another of the same revo lol

[torn gorge]

no, thats reserved for the plasma pistol ofc

[umbral garnet]

I really want a backpack weapon.

Ogryn stubber but for the other builds.

Just a dumping weapon.

It can be terrible, I don't care, I JUST WANT MORE BULLETS

[flat pebble]

at this point in the sandbox I think it’s kind of difficult to compare things to the revolver and the plasma gun

they’re outliers in performance that makes it difficult to get a sense of the rest of the balancing in the game

[umbral garnet]

They are disgusting.

No two ways about it.

[torn gorge]

i mean even compared to an autogun

they retain similar ergonomics

yet the autogun is easier to land shots on the targets you need

and faster

[umbral garnet]

I simply believe the boltpistol is not to be taken immensely seriously.

[flat pebble]

bolter hits juicy ohk bps tho

[umbral garnet]

While still being able to hold its own ground. To some degree.

It's a drip weapon, let's be real.

[torn gorge]

thing with bolt is that you need to pace your shots

yeah you can 1tap

[flat pebble]

which is fine because it directly synergizes with surgical

[torn gorge]

but if you have a handful of targets at the same time

[flat pebble]

by the time recoil settles you’re already primed for your next guaranteed crit

[torn gorge]

the overall ttk is not that favourable

compared to an automated weapon with a bigger mag and better aim speed/lower sway

[flat pebble]

with practice you’re borderline sniping with bolter though compared to an auto gun

[slate hawk]

[torn gorge]

and if we remove revolver from the comparison entirely im not even sure bolt pistol has much of a leg over a laspistol outside of carapace

[terse idol]

I just don't think you can

[torn gorge]

you are not faster at dealing with said targets

is my point

[flat pebble]

i think bolt pistol should probably get a reload speed buff

[terse idol]

Because it is the middle man of either revolver

The bolt pistol has a fast reload speed

[umbral garnet]

THAT FUCKING MAG FLIP IS ENTIRELY UNREASONABLE

[terse idol]

🥺

[slate hawk]

Kobold

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-gif-25859468

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[slate hawk]

The poor bag

[flat pebble]

I’m definitely doing fine with dealing with 15 elites/specials per mag at long to mid range in a fast time idk

I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree

[serene bough]

I really want to like the bolt pistol but it's pretty bad

1hko on weakspot hits is fine, but it's so slow to consistently aim

[slate hawk]

I hope this gets fixed soon, shotgun could be so much fun on vet

[atomic zephyr]

i love the thing
big ol' satisfying boom, decent ammo capacity

and i dont like revovler, so

[umbral garnet]

Like I said, the weapon is innately devisive. Because, between the two crowds: Those who wanted it vs those you want to use it for how useful it is, are at odds.

[serene bough]

Then you only have 8 bullets per mag whereas other weapons have far greater ammo pools and efficiency for arguably faster killing power

[umbral garnet]

It's, simply, a drip weapon that isn't terrible. That's my take.

[flat pebble]

The weaker surgical blessing is dumb imo

[atomic zephyr]

drip is the endgame

[torn gorge]

again im not looking at a powercreep

im just wondering what is the designed space

[atomic zephyr]

same places you'd use a boltgun, but more flexible

at least that's how i've been using it

the draw time is really nice for taking out specialists while you're in melee

[umbral garnet]

I fully believe they didn't go into it with a role in mind, they simply wanted to satisfy people.

Boltpistol was a huge ask.

[terse idol]

Ooh yeah that's weiiird

[torn gorge]

fair enough if that was the case

[terse idol]

I just think uhh

[atomic zephyr]

hi its me, the person who asked for it
the bolt pistol is now glued to my hand

but yeah its not that great

ill take being okay over outright powercreep though

[slate hawk]

Needs a kobold to tinker with it I think, small paws could fine tune it

[flat pebble]

I like the bolt pistol power fantasy a lot it’s just something I need to figure out how to build around because it’s not as good at unyielding and ragers

bolter had more outright strengths in that regard and I never really cared about the ergonomics so the BP having better handling isn’t the biggest selling point personally

[umbral garnet]

From a purely use-case perspective, it is a poor pick. From fans who love the weapon? A blessing.

Either way, no one can complain about more variety, now can we?

[flat pebble]

i HATE variety

I HATE CHOICES

[torn gorge]

i want variety

[flat pebble]

Only power sword and plasma forever RAAAAAH

[torn gorge]

you mistake my stance

[slate hawk]

I think if both the bolter and the bolt pistol got a little fine-tuning to lose the jankiness of them Then it would be fine

[hearty panther]

mistake your ... ex stance

[umbral garnet]

No, I'm not saying you're complaining, I just understand your take on the matter.

It's, harshly speaking, a lackluster weapon but it feels cool.

[terse idol]

I don't think iy needs to be like better or on par with the revolver barring power creep

[flat pebble]

frankly revolver is begging for a nerf

and has been for a while now

same with plasma

[terse idol]

I dunno how you would

[slate hawk]

I feel like the revolver is in a fine place

[terse idol]

It's 5 shots with cleave, struggles to deal with chaff

[flat pebble]

I think that’s exactly what fatshark is thinking too lol

[terse idol]

Yee

I don't think it's that crazy

I do think it's strong but like

The plasmagun probably has a better chance of getting nerfed

[flat pebble]

i think its performance against armor is the tipping point

[slate hawk]

I still find it dumb how sometimes even with a crit powered shot you still won't kill a gunner

[flat pebble]

it’s good against literally everything that’s an elite or special

[slate hawk]

Just because you hit their gun

[umbral garnet]

The revolver excels at two things. Mobility and power, that's why it's so good.

[terse idol]

Well yeah for 5 shots

[umbral garnet]

It's the punch of a bolter with the handling of a little piece of metal.

[slate hawk]

Because that is literally its job to be a special picker

[flat pebble]

5 shots is usually more than enough for a weapon that’s your clutch “oh shit i need to delete something now” button

plus vet has ways to enhance your throughput

[tall torrent]

Make weapon specialist’s ammo refill node round down

[umbral garnet]

Evil.

[terse idol]

I mean is it just me or like

When I use weap9n spec

I just get 1 bullet reloaded

On 10 stacks

[tall torrent]

As for plasma, nerf uncharged cleave

[flat pebble]

To be clear I’m not upset that revolver or plasma are good it’s just they have the issue where they overshadow a lot of other guns in the meta

[umbral garnet]

I get 2.

[slate hawk]

Weapon specialist is really fun with the shotgun

[terse idol]

I just uh

[slate hawk]

Is when messing around in the cycanium

[terse idol]

I do think the boltgun has a place at least the larger magazine size helps and the draw speed

I mean bolt pistol

[umbral garnet]

They're so good they're "the only meta" in some people's eyes.

And that's bad.

[flat pebble]

imo the bolter is actually very well balanced

the normal bolter

[tall torrent]

It’s almost entirely outclassed by other guns (not even revolver/plasma)

[umbral garnet]

Yes, it sacrifices one aspect, being ergonomics, for another, being EXPLOSIVE BULLETS

[flat pebble]

and the ammo reserve buff was a very good touch without bringing it over the edge

[flat pebble]

agree to disagree

[umbral garnet]

Yes because DPS is an entirely different discussion.

To me, anyway.

[tall torrent]

Dps is a lot less relevant for guns that prioritize breakpoints

[slate hawk]

I really think the bolter should get a increase the pull out speed because it's absolutely horrendous

[flat pebble]

that’s a very common complaint

I wouldn’t complain if they buffed that a bit

[terse idol]

Plasmagun should get a draw speed nerf

To put it in line with the bolter

[tall torrent]

If Boltgun had 1 bodyshot kills vs gunners & flamers without crits then it’ll be better

[slate hawk]

By the time you even have the bolter pulled out somebody else's already killed a threat that you were going to attempt to deal with

[near sable]

if only the bolt pistol had ghost..

[umbral garnet]

Ok, true.

[umbral garnet]

That would actually turn people into sentry guns lmfao

[flat pebble]

part of the reason I like the bolter is because it directly rewards headshots as a finesse weapons now. a gun like the bolter needs to be a higher skill cap weapon to justify its power

[tall torrent]

Vraks 7 does basically everything Boltgun does with less point investment

[near sable]

bp is clearly very hungry for deadshot

[torn gorge]

my take is that i want variety, as long as there are use cases, otherwise it is just illusion of choice

[flat pebble]

except deal with carapace and dps monstrosities

and also vraks has a dogshit maniac ADM

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is not really an anti-carapace tool

[tall torrent]

Crit 1HS flamer or 2 headshot flamer, it’s not a problem

[flat pebble]

okay but now do mutants and ragers

[near sable]

mfw my rocket propelled gun has subpar anti armour

[tall torrent]

Still significantly better than Boltgun missing 1 headshot because recoil jank then u need more shots

[umbral garnet]

Good take, 'variety' isn't giving someone three things and them all being the same.

[tall torrent]

Mutant takes 3x melee dmg, and headhunter’s special actually knocks ragers on ground in 1 hit

[flat pebble]

bolter kills ragers in a two-burst, I’d rather have them dead than on the floor ready to get back up

[tall torrent]

You get to kill 6~7 at best with one mag then you’re out of the fight unless u spec even harder into reload speed to make ur melee worse

[flat pebble]

also they’re not explicitly anti carapace but they handle carapace perfectly fine allowing you to build with non carapace friendly melees

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is the most point hungry gun in the game and it does not deliver nearly enough for how many points it costs to run

[flat pebble]

i just use one talent point for 30% reload on elite or specialist kill and it makes the throughput fine

[tall torrent]

That’s not 1 point, that’s 2 points

Most guns don’t need longshot

[flat pebble]

calling it the most point hungry gun is simply not true when you the recon lasguns exist

[torn gorge]

you can just take the other reload instead

[flat pebble]

I’m getting long shot anyway because it’s free damage

[tall torrent]

Recon costs less

[torn gorge]

and better sustain

since you get thoughness from anything

[flat pebble]

getting to the onslaught node is already more than I’m putting in for my bolter build and that’s not even counting shock trooper

[tall torrent]

If you think onslaught is mandatory for recon then I guess you just like shooting crushers too much

7a doesn’t need onslaught and it’s prob the best recon for general use rn

[umbral garnet]

Ok, this double barrel...

It fucks.

[torn gorge]

[umbral garnet]

REAL

SCOUT MAIN HERE

LMFAO

[flat pebble]

Disregarding the “and that’s not even counting shock trooper” half of that statement

[tall torrent]

Onslaught has very minimal gains vs anything that’s not a crusher for most weapons, and even for Columnus mk6 / Recon6d, it’s still not worth it most of the time when u can run melee weapons with way better carapace dmg

[torn gorge]

you wish it had the blast radius of that though

[tall torrent]

You can actually run 7a without survivalist rn so that’s already a huge point save

[umbral garnet]

True 😔

[flat pebble]

look it’s clear we don’t agree idk why we’re even discussing this

neither of us are going to change our minds

[umbral garnet]

Use the guns you like!!

[torn gorge]

weapon specialist only refilling 1 ammo back is also a missed opportunity for the double shot blamma action

[umbral garnet]

I like boltpistol you like revolver! Easy!

[tall torrent]

Boltgun requires u to hard spec left side, 7a doesn’t and only really requires shock trooper + rending strikes outside of the normal talents

How’s that point cost comparable

[torn gorge]

hard spec seems like an overstatement

[flat pebble]

it is an overstatement

[torn gorge]

last i checked most guns want precision strikes/fully loaded/superiority complex and 2x ranged nodes

[flat pebble]

what roll do u got

[tall torrent]

2 points into reload speed on special/elite kill, need deadshot, need survivalist

[flat pebble]

I’m curious how that gun is

[flat pebble]

you don’t need deadshot

[umbral garnet]

One second, I'll load into the game to show it to you.

Gotta verify files, this is gonna take a while. 💀

[tall torrent]

It’s not mandatory, it’s just extremely high value for Boltgun

19% Recoil reduction + 25% crit chance on a slow firing gun where you use ADS cancel to mitigate recoil so ur stamina drain is even lower than normal

[torn gorge]

dont forget bolter unironically requiring determined

unlike other guns

[tall torrent]

U can run smth like this for 7a and it’ll be fine

Rending strikes good there too, can swap points around

[umbral garnet]

This emote is powerful.

[torn gorge]

ofc it is, its Alex Valle

[umbral garnet]

My talent trees all look the same.

I'm no free thinker.

😔

[torn gorge]

you went down desperado because you are running axe?

[tall torrent]

Desperado because it’s a generally very strong node

[umbral garnet]

25 percent finesse is crazy on paper.

[torn gorge]

CQK tax though

[tall torrent]

And CQKZ is usually far more accessible than reciprocity because it’s always gonna be up when u need it

[umbral garnet]

Ok, I'm experimenting with the double barrel and I see that +70% reload speed blessing.

[tall torrent]

Boltgun looks smth like this if u don’t run exe stance (exe stance has 1 point higher cost)

[umbral garnet]

I'm thinking every reload node you can get (not the one with ammo remaining because it'd be useless)

To just turn the DB into a machine gun.

[tall torrent]

If this is not “dedicating ur entire tree to make a gun better” idk what is

[torn gorge]

well tbf

outside of longshot

most of the pathing is towards general shooting

[tall torrent]

Longshot gives u slightly better breakpoint consistency because Boltgun has reverse falloff vs flak/unarmored

And most guns don’t need longshot for breakpoints

Most guns only need redirect fire

[umbral garnet]

Lmfao 90 percent of my trees look like this regardless of the weapon.

Just leave out longshot and deadshot and pump those points into desperado and trench fighter drill.

[terse idol]

I've been trying to escape voc for centuries

[umbral garnet]

You will never.

[tall torrent]

It’s just path-efficient

[terse idol]

I only have 1 voc build

I know not the sins of others

[torn gorge]

for example this is what i run on aiag

and again

its for the most part the same nodes taken

krak or frag pathing are just flex

you just want 1 knockback at least

same for shout or EE

if you take EE you kinda have to pick frag

but i was just doing penances anyway

[umbral garnet]

I'm addicted to trench fighter drill.

I'm just way too aggressive with my melee.

[torn gorge]

i like it on axes and PS if i can afford

otherwise its too deep in the tree

as a commitment

[tall torrent]

Trench fighter is a feel good node but in most cases unless ur weapon has really horrendous animation chain values, it’s not as good as +dmg for breakpoints

[torn gorge]

well more attack speed translates into higher dps

generally relevant for things that do not die in a hit or so

so mostly bosses

or crushers if no PS

[tall torrent]

Not as much as u think

If u kill enemy in 1 less melee hit (3 hits), compared to taking 4 hits but attacking 10% faster, the dos difference is pretty huge

And because it’s scaled on animation chain values, it’s not actually +10%, it varies between weapons

[torn gorge]

ye as i said its mostly on bosses

[peak stone]

any good builds around Bolt Pistol?

[umbral garnet]

Major nodes I suggest is longshot, surv, deadshot+determined+precision strikes and the rest I dunno

[rocky jacinth]

yeah there are good builds

but those builds would be better with something that isn't the bolt pistol

[terse idol]

What if I told you

it doesn't matter

because its variety

and the bolt pistol isn't that bad

[tall torrent]

I thought boltpistol was fine

[terse idol]

Yeah me too

I mean it's not beating out the revolver but

[rocky jacinth]

[terse idol]

Few weapons are

[tall torrent]

No like, I had the lowest expectation for it lol

[terse idol]

Oh

[rocky jacinth]

yeah i guess it's ok but it lacks the piercing of the regular boltgun and it kills the weapon for me completely

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

The fact that it’s not completely mid is already exceeding my expectations

[terse idol]

But if it did

Then it just power creeps the boltgun

[fierce steeple]

bolt pistol is aight. there are plenty of other options that perform better but its good enough to clear aurics with.

[rocky jacinth]

it'd still be horribly uncontrollable and have a tiny magazine

[terse idol]

It's still a higher magazine size then the revolver

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure boltpistol costs less points to run than Boltgun too

[rocky jacinth]

well, compared to the boltgun

[terse idol]

Pulls out faster than the boltgun

[peak stone]

it has some interesting perks and reloads way faster, ive used it on a few tier 6 aurics but i always seem to miss my plasma

[tall torrent]

It’s not as good as Laspistol mk2 tho

But that’s to be expected

[rocky jacinth]

right now the bolt pistol's saving grace is the fast draw so you can use it with weapons specialist, but the explosion effect really doesn't make up for piercing shots

i want to see it buffed so you can waste like 10 poxies with one shot

[peak stone]

explosion effect doesnt even really work rn

[tall torrent]

As long as the explosion AoE still staggers trappers & flamers it’s fine

[terse idol]

But then

[rocky jacinth]

make the explosion damage dependent on how much damage the actual shot did or something, so landing those well-aimed headshots gets you a big reward

[terse idol]

Power creep

[fierce steeple]

theres a blessing for increased explosion

[terse idol]

I wished these weapons released together tbh

Because it's not a race to be better than the base weapon

It's, a sidegrade if anything

[rocky jacinth]

yeah but it doesn't affect the damage, it still does like 10 damage when the actual shot does 5000 or so

[terse idol]

It does not do 5000

[tall torrent]

If it staggers, it’s fine

[peak stone]

why would I use anything else

[tall torrent]

The fact that you get to stagger while missing the target entirely is already a big plus compared to every other gun

[terse idol]

Because you want flavaur in your life

Because running 1 gun is like eating the McDonald's meal every day of your life

[rocky jacinth]

you say this but we have revolver and plasma gun

[terse idol]

Revolver

[fierce steeple]

stack the explosion with the stagger blessing and the bolt pistol is pretty fun, but it deffo still doesnt beat out any of the meta weapons imo.

[terse idol]

Doesn't handle chaff well

[peak stone]

flavur means losing tier 6 aurics

[terse idol]

Also slow reload

[terse idol]

If you lose auric because you didn't use the plasmagun

You don't deserve the plasmagun

[tall torrent]

You shouldn’t be comparing performance of ranged weapons vs chaff in the first place, and neither revolver nor plasma can stagger enemy while missing

[rocky jacinth]

the regular boltgun shoots through enemies really well on crit, it can take out specials through hordes, buffing the bolt pistol explosion still wouldn't let it do that

[terse idol]

The implication that you ever need 1 weapon to be aurics

Is damaging

You don't

It makes it easier

[tall torrent]

It’s fun, it’s unique, it’s not completely mid, that’s good enough to me

[peak stone]

there comes a point where relying on consistent damage and accuracy isnt too much to ask

i want to use other shit but find most if not all lacking on damage and versitility

[rocky jacinth]

i think it definitely matters since you're never shooting enemies in a vacuum, having the power to blast through trash to reach your target is fantastic

[hearty panther]

what the hell is a tier 6 Auric

[terse idol]

I mean

[terse idol]

Yws

Because you've cooked yourself on the plasmagun

[peak stone]

what do when wall of crushers need to die in 2.4 seconds

[rocky jacinth]

it's why the agri IAG is a contender

[tall torrent]

Yes, however chaff does not have the same head height as specials so a lot of cases you do get to shoot them with weapons that don’t cleave through

Besides, most weapons don’t have high cleave, I think you’re too reliant on ranged cleave and it defined your playstyle so much that you’re finding it difficult to adjust without it

One of the major problems with having ranged cleave through was being able to shoot through teammates, and now that’s been changed, it’s not as big of a deal as before

[terse idol]

Uh run other weapons run other tools, I dunno

Like, not having the plasmagun vs crushers won't kill you

[fierce steeple]

I've enjoyed plasma since beta since plasma is kewl, but theres plenty of other ranged weapons to beat auric maelstroms with. IAGs are solid, Kantrael lasgun works

[fierce steeple]

krak nades

[coral bloom]

Brittle / bleed chainaxe work ok for crushers.

[brave verge]

Been using this tree for Recon Las, should I be less spread out and go for a keystone?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c617066-1deb-4c43-99ff-ba5a290732bd/recon-las-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[rocky jacinth]

Maybe you're right, but I think weapons could use something more to offset the downside. Headhunters pierce, plasma pierces, revolvers pierce, laspistols, even the brown recon shoots through dudes.
Columnus does so much damage it 1 taps everything with an insane fire rate and really doesn't need it. The bolt pistol is a slow firing, hard to control beast that screws you if you miss, so if a poxwalker comes from the side and waves his fingers in front of your sight when you pull the trigger you're screwed

But just to be clear, I want every weapon nerfed into the ground, game too easy

Bolt pistol is nice in a vacuum but other weapons eclipse it to an insane degree

[tall torrent]

Headhunters don’t cleave through
Zarona cleave is 6.5, it’s on the high end
Columnus doesn’t 1 tap most enemies, it has fast TTK but ur exaggerating it a bit here
Laspistols don’t cleave through

[tall torrent]

Yea I mean I wouldn’t take it over mk2 Laspistol ever

[faint beacon]

Hello veteran chat what are we arguing or politely discussing about today cause I’m too lazy to scroll up

[tall torrent]

But it’s not completely mid

[brave verge]

bolt pistol apparently

[fierce steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[rocky jacinth]

Headhunters don’t cleave through
I could have sworn they did, but I haven't used them since the talent tree update

[flat pebble]

it veers between the two but it’s significantly better here than zealot chat

[tall torrent]

They’re all 1.5 cleave

[faint beacon]

Shock Maul is literally the only thing I’ve been full blown enjoying that and the Pickaxe

[tall torrent]

1.5 gets to shoot through 1 groaner

[fierce steeple]

well zealot chat is usually just reeeeeeeeeeee

[rocky jacinth]

Even on crit?

[tall torrent]

Most guns are 1.5 cleave

[flat pebble]

sometimes it’s femboy chat too

[tall torrent]

Crit doesn’t increase cleave (unless u have a specific blessing that changes it)

[flat pebble]

it is currently reee chat

[faint beacon]

Is it the chastise nerfs

[vapid nacelle]

Are there any ranged weapons you can throw into any vet build and it'll probably work fine as long as the blessings/perks are good

[fierce steeple]

has anyone tried the new melee weapons on vet?

[flat pebble]

that has been a frequent topic, yes

[rocky jacinth]

Anyway about Columnus damage, I'm just talking the scenario of shooting through trash to reach specials, and poxwalkers, groaners, bruisers get 1tapped

[flat pebble]

they were harping about the flamer for an hour in there

[faint beacon]

Ah so basically here when when survivalist got nerfed

Lmao

[fierce steeple]

I think it was time for the zealot to feel the nerfhammer. they had some brokenly strong shenanigans they could do

[flat pebble]

honestly, pretty much, maybe a smidge more condescending for no reason

[tall torrent]

Mauls are good, bad vs bosses & low dodge but good everything else

[flat pebble]

that and the crit cdr talent got nerfed

[tall torrent]

As a momentum Rashader this concerns me little

[fierce steeple]

hmm. doesnt sound like ill be replacing my chainsword then lol

[tall torrent]

Well no, they’re definitely better than chainswords on veteran

[vapid nacelle]

how good is this thing

[tall torrent]

Chainswords are pretty meh when u don’t have FotF to carry it

[flat pebble]

should be less pronounced for combat axes, devils claws and evis got hit the hardest

[peak stone]

Very

[flat pebble]

now that it’s one proc per swing not per enemy hit

[vapid nacelle]

What perk & blessing do I give it

[tall torrent]

Groaners to flak, no respite to headhunter

[fierce steeple]

my cs melts bosses like crazy

[vapid nacelle]

👍 thanks

[flat pebble]

obviously bromentum still lets you hit a lot of enemies per swing tho just evi does it per the nature of the base weapon

[tall torrent]

What’s the dps test like

[faint beacon]

Good times watching people I’ve never seen in the Vet chat saying it’s gutted

[rocky jacinth]

Well I'll be, I was told that it causes shots to ignore hit mass like melee

[flat pebble]

just darktide discord misinformation type stuff

we have fun here

[tall torrent]

Maybe he was a manstopper enjoyer, who knows

[rocky jacinth]

But of course, I never actually saw it in action so I assumed it only comes into effect on weapons like Headhunters and didn't bother testing

[faint beacon]

You know I never bothered seeing what blessings were on the DB

[brave verge]

on that note, upgrading to blue vs orange for blessing farming?

[tall torrent]

Both barrels is based

[faint beacon]

I’ll actually be surprised if Manstopper isn’t on it

[tall torrent]

U get a custom reload animation from that blessing

Therefore it’s the BiS blessing

[faint beacon]

Slide both shells in I assume

[rocky jacinth]

wait hol up

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s groaner

[serene bough]

Ye groaners always cleave

[tall torrent]

Try shooting poxwalkers, it shouldn’t hit two at once

[flat pebble]

depends on how much plasteel you have and your blessings you have pooled up to this point

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049217901825110056/1255564447498637393/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.06.26_-_12.44.28.33.mp4?ex=667d9703&is=667c4583&hm=75763115a87cd3d33c9e6e4ae21357568ce35a2eb4816ff74815f26d8d0578a1&

[oak gorge]

guys how do i reload my gun 🥺 i've had nothing in the mag for 3 missions now

[faint beacon]

Honestly do Blue if you don’t got much resources and you’re trying to get well anything

[rocky jacinth]

but columnus doesn't pierce groaners

[brave verge]

very few blessings, I took a long break

[faint beacon]

It’s what I’m doing with mine

[brave verge]

and not much plasteel either

[tall torrent]

Columnus is 1.15 cleave

[flat pebble]

at this point blue upgrades then

[tall torrent]

It should still hit 2 groaners

[faint beacon]

That is Sexy

[flat pebble]

when you’re starving for t4 blessings that’s when you upgrade to orange

[brave verge]

I see

[rocky jacinth]

Okay well it does, but only randomly

[flat pebble]

it’s much more unlikely to get t4 blessings on blue upgrades but it’s far more cost efficient if you’re fine with getting t3s as well

of which there aren’t many t4s that are significantly better than t3

[atomic zephyr]

rolled two 367 rated shock mauls, both have damage as a dump stat

pain

[faint beacon]

So the DB does in fact have Manstopper and Flechette

[rocky jacinth]

Yeah I dunno man, like half the shots go through groaners

[faint beacon]

Meaning I have to level up a random reject to level 18-20 and grind out blues

Pain

[tall torrent]

Yes but nobody has them because it’s t2 and only spawns in brunt

[faint beacon]

Exactly!

[tall torrent]

Or u could play a new character from scratch

And I don’t think manstopper is needed?

[faint beacon]

Which I Really don’t want to do

[tall torrent]

The cleave is really high on it

[faint beacon]

It have insane cleave already?

Noted

[tall torrent]

And it has pretty bad finesse (as expected)

I think Both Barrels is mandatory for the cool reload

Because if ur taking this thing you already accept that ur playing a meme build

[faint beacon]

Could probably get away with like Flech and Both Barrels as a joke but like

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh

Literally any damage blessing would be better

[tall torrent]

Flechette still only gets 6 stacks when u brace

[faint beacon]

Pain

[rocky jacinth]

Is this fatshark coding with some insane jank where hit mass counts for each intersecting hitbox inside of a model?

[tall torrent]

If u ever have to ask urself “is this a feature or a bug” in a fatshark game just consider it feature

[faint beacon]

You’d think run n gun might actually work on the DB?

[rocky jacinth]

True enough, shouldn't have asked

[tall torrent]

It works but it’s meh

Range is the biggest problem

U go from one tapping maulers to not even 2 tapping flamers really fast

[faint beacon]

Suppose that’s alright then

Seeing I assume

The DB is literally a point blank gun

[rocky jacinth]

double barrel reloading only with always prepared y/n

[tall torrent]

I think it’s best for zealot

On veteran it’s meh

U sacrifice too much range for it

[faint beacon]

Veteran probably WS + Infil

Basically it’s niche

[tall torrent]

On zealot u at least has throwing knives

And for psyker it’s uh

[faint beacon]

Veteran it’s just

[tall torrent]

It has shit crit scaling so u already know

[tawny badger]

scrier's gaze ig

[faint beacon]

Can you eat the damage or infiltrate?

No? Suffer

[tall torrent]

It’s like a +20% dmg from crit compared to normal

U can farm crit toughness ig

Because it does cleave a good amount

[carmine cradle]

"Vet why are you way behind us?"
idk, whyd you not loot half the map?

[faint beacon]

What was our judgement of the Bpistol btw

[tall torrent]

I think for veteran, run&gun + both barrels/hit&run

Run&gun + hit&run is a funny combo

[faint beacon]

I’ve only really massively enjoyed Pickaxe and Shaul

[tall torrent]

It’s not meta but also not completely mid

[faint beacon]

Already found the horde clear combo

[faint beacon]

Once I get a good DB was thinking of running that

Also I know the Rashad will always be better

But the Shaul after using it is just, it’s fun

Idk how to describe it lmao

[somber axle]

I learned it 2HKOs Crushers with Exe Stance/Focus Target but if you slap Rending on it with Marksman's Focus it 1HKOs Crushers and all specials/elites on crit headshot. Very satisfying 1HKOing a mutie with it. I was not expecting Rending to help the damage as much as it did

Weapon Specialist doesn't change breakpoints to funny levels but people enjoy that keystone with it most

[faint beacon]

Wow that’s, really good news

[somber axle]

Very fun gun but Recons will always be my shining star

[faint beacon]

The ping in news

[torn gorge]

you mean the fun of resetting your shout every other melee hit with a dclaw?

[tall torrent]

“A system that respects the players’ time”

[faint beacon]

My brain isn’t functioning

[tall torrent]

THAT’S WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR

WE’RE SO BACK

[faint beacon]

Are they removing locks now

[tall torrent]

Yes, all removed

[faint beacon]

Or when the update PT2 drops

[jaunty fiber]

???

See that's what I'm talkin about

[faint beacon]

You’re lying to me path

YOURE FUCKING LYING TO ME

[jaunty fiber]

People wanted it to be an interim thing, I suppose it could be now but like

[tall torrent]

[jaunty fiber]

You'd still go ham and burn through all your fun too fast I feel

[faint beacon]

Gonna check general and zealot

[flat pebble]

holy shit our hordes of diamantine might become useful

[faint beacon]

Okay WHEN it drops

I’m fine with that

[flat pebble]

(after summer)

[faint beacon]

I thought it was now and was about to freak the fuck out

[jaunty fiber]

God, I keep realizing that people want communication during the points they have nothing to communicate

[flat pebble]

unless things have changed they stated the crafting update would come around after summer

[torn gorge]

we also do not know the magnitude of the changes introduced, so the removal of lock might be a necessity for the system to work

[somber axle]

Ohmygosh just finished reading the dev blog

[flat pebble]

so let’s bottle the hype to harness in a couple months

hi sneaky!

[somber axle]

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