#veteran-class

1 messages · Page 801 of 1

somber axle
#

but you don't 5 tap bosses with a weapon specialist build only Azrael actually does that last bit though

bitter turtle
#

giving up a bottomless clip and much better melee on a melee heavy gun so you can probably still not actually 5 tap a boss because you are doing it in a real game and not psykarium

#

is

#

🤔

#

but yeah

somber axle
#

idk I feel like if you drop a krak into the boss first to stun stagger you can set up the 5 tap kill

bitter turtle
#

i mean az said themself these vids are just for fun, not actual builds

somber axle
#

yeah but Az also said Vet has the best boss damage of all 4 classes and he can kill a boss before a Zealot can reach it to swing

#

so even outside of the funny Psykanium shenanigans they're still doing silly levels of boss burst

bitter turtle
#

yea but im pretty sure he's not running focus target zarona to do it

somber axle
#

probably not

#

when I played with him I'm 90% sure he ran weapon specialist revolver

bitter turtle
#

you can do a lot of burst dmg either way with a normal build

#

i did that double chaos spawn challenge that numbercat did

somber axle
#

the synergy is really good for diminishing the only downside revolver has: the reload

bitter turtle
#

kill both with knife in almost under 1 min

somber axle
#

the psykanium challenges people do with mods are fun to watch

topaz lance
#

Hrrmmm,
IF I use Gloryhunter on the bolt pistol, do I need the confirmed kill regen too...
A lot of the blessings on the pistol seem meh, I think you don't really need anything but deadly accurate.
Deadshot + crit talents should be enough to replace surgical

#

will need to test later

somber axle
#

Mr. Craime also did one fighting a bunch of crushers, bulwarks and a plague ogryn all simultaneously just spamming charged power sword lights into everything

#

FOUND IT

#

power sword is goofy

topaz lance
#

When I see a vet with PS, Plasma and VoC in my team I am tempted to leave.

oak gorge
#

bro eating the yummy metal 🤤

#

nom nom

somber axle
#

tactical ball gag incoming

#

when the Psyker won't shut up about his Beloved so you have to gag him to ensure radio silence

frank basin
#

I am the overseer beloved

somber axle
somber axle
umbral scaffold
#

Vro, going back to braced autos after using infantry is just

#

Why do things deal less damage

north pebble
#

gun kicks like a mule. is point blank any good?

umbral scaffold
#

Point blank might be a bit redundant with weapon specialist

earnest sand
#

Sir, you are effectively trying to fire 20mm from the hip

topaz lance
bitter turtle
#

assuming they did it should be decent

north pebble
#

yeah im pretty much running it with weapon spec. i could try this though

topaz lance
junior needle
somber axle
#

wouldn't point blank have even less value with weapon specialist since the first shot after you swap to ranged is 100% crit chance if you had at least 3 stacks from 3 melee kills before swapping?

#

it's just helping the 2nd/3rd and maybe 4th shot if you can squeeze in the extra shots during the point blank buff window right?

north pebble
#

yeah pretty much

topaz lance
#

Here's what I want to test later today with a gloryhunter bolt pistol

somber axle
#

I need to roll a new Boltpistol

#

I need an 80% damage stat, +25% Carapace, +10% Elite, Surgical IV + Deadly Accurate IV Boltpistol

#

the breakpoints are MADDENING

#

it's just SLIGHTLY off a lot of very satisfying 1HKOs with certain talent set ups

#

that even that tiniest bit of extra damage would make possible

topaz lance
merry glade
#

crash on extraction ablobcatpartyfast

somber vault
#

they saved recons yea

#

is this still the favored variant

north pebble
somber axle
north pebble
somber axle
#

But that is a very good roll

#

It should serve you well in matches regardless of how you set up your talent tree

somber vault
#

had it from the last time those were good

#

ill have to get a vIIa to try at some point

somber axle
#

The Mk VId is very fun after buffs though

#

Double magazine size and faster rate of fire

#

Feels like a laser light machine gun

#

The buffs to the Mk II and Mk VIIa damage are amazing though

somber vault
#

what talents do you want? onslaught shock trooper and ofc generic veteran good stuff

#

marksmans focus is good on magdump weapons too right

somber axle
#

I can show you my talent set up but it uses Exe Stance so you might end up swapping talents around to suit your own playstyle better

somber vault
#

yeah im noticing exe stance helps routing

#

that would be nice if you want

frank basin
topaz lance
somber axle
somber vault
somber axle
#

Here's what I use

somber vault
#

the marksman focus keystone is better for rambo weapons and the melee/ranged hybrid keystone is better for precise single shot weapons

somber axle
#

Gives you solid toughness damage reduction through Close Quarters Drill and Iron Will, gives you solid toughness generation through Confirmed Kill and Target Down

#

But wow

#

The improved rate of fire eats stamina MUCH faster

#

Deadshot is very tricky to work with

somber vault
#

playing with a viia good base stats no blessings or perks in the psykanium right now

#

this thing does kinda shoot like a dream

#

i likes it

somber axle
#

You could probably skip Deadshot and put it into Precision Strikes instead

somber vault
#

do you run diff blessings on other variants?

somber axle
#

I always use Headhunter on all Recons

somber vault
#

makes some sense

somber axle
#

I use Infernus on the Mk VId for my second blessing as personal taste but I run Dum Dum on the Mk II and Mk VIIa as my second blessing for them

#

Infernus is more damage at 25m+ I think while Dum Dum is better DPS from 0m to 25m

#

The damage difference is marginal

somber vault
#

makes sense

#

i wont lose sleep over either direction

somber axle
#

They're both good imo

somber vault
#

im glad these are so good again

#

probs the weapon i enjoyed most on vet

somber axle
#

They are very fun weapons to play with

#

I really love the Mk VId though

somber vault
junior needle
somber vault
#

mhm

#

im not going to avoid taking it because he does im just curious about the decision

#

i dont blame you for pointing that out though

junior needle
#

Also with deadshot, which is very impractical and difficult to keep up

somber vault
#

some people would

winter grove
#

I use deadshot with CIAG

junior needle
#

It's a "better" choice with ciag

#

Due to it having yuge finesse values and also a lower rof

#

6d now has a rof of 20

winter grove
#

Also CIAG having a recoil

junior needle
#

And recons have low finesse values

frank basin
#

Ciag is a horse kick

junior needle
#

Recons do have recoil, it's just miniscule

#

They are unusually affected by suppression though

somber vault
#

what is the best use case for kraks besides monstrous specialists? is there a good reason to take them over shredders? i feel like most good vet setups can handle crushers and maulers well

junior needle
#

Shreds are vastly preferred atm

somber vault
#

i want to get that penance done and ive been thinking about it

frank basin
#

Recoil recon just spreading the beam, camera does no kick

bitter turtle
#

unless you're running like

#

laspistol + dclaw

somber vault
#

not like using kraks is gonna make me lose but every time i make a build with them i cant really justify it besides i want to progress this penance

bitter turtle
#

with no ability to kill armor

junior needle
#

The gun itself does move slightly last I checked, but that was prepatch

#

I can check again

bitter turtle
#

the only niche they have for most loadout is stunlock monstro

merry glade
#

bow down to smoke grenade superiority

bitter turtle
#

since every melee except dclaw can kill crusher in 1-2 seconds

somber vault
#

how are the new shock mauls by the way

frank basin
#

Lot agree is good

#

With blessing they combine kill everything except bosses

somber vault
#

swung the one that doesnt look like a medieval mace around in the psykanium earlier and itfe lt good

junior needle
#

Apparently the indig is really good

#

But doesn't have good boss dps

winter grove
#

Indig shock maul made me reconsider using psword for a build I planned

somber vault
#

damn

jaunty fiber
#

Niceeeeeee

somber vault
#

good sign

winter grove
#

Maul is just more fun

merry glade
#

why cc when you can kill

pallid jetty
#

just saw a comment in steam about bolt pistol
"it doesnt even 1 shot poxwalkers on damnation"

merry glade
#

does he know you have to hit them

somber vault
#

its the ads having a fucky modifier right

jaunty fiber
#

Killing takes time and specific tactics that are not always tenable in the moment

somber vault
#

ads bolt pistol infested modifier is weird

junior needle
tawny badger
#

poxwalkers are just built different on damnation

somber vault
frank basin
#

700 hp vs 525 dmg

somber vault
#

timed blocking a rager and then crushing his head sounds fun

frank basin
#

Wait 300 hp*

pallid jetty
somber vault
#

it just does

#

doesnt mean the gun is bad

#

damage types are per armor

#

you can 1 tap crushers with it under the right circumstances

frank basin
junior needle
#

bolters do poor damage to infested apparently

somber vault
#

esoteric 40k lore that is beyond us humble peons

junior needle
#

But yes a pox will survive a non crit bodyshot without ranged juice

tawny badger
#

shoot them harder shrug

jaunty fiber
#

Why are you shooting poxwalkers with a gun?

tawny badger
#

because

#

I like shooting the gun

#

and the poxwalkers are right there

jaunty fiber
#

I just realized that's the core problem here. not everything needs to just disintegrate the softest mobs in a hordeshooter. it takes some of the horde out of the shooter on a fundamental level

#

that's the kinda shit that gets nerfed

frank basin
#

I’m playing commissar-like trying shoot poxwalkers

topaz lance
frank basin
#

Is funny

topaz lance
#

oh wait

jaunty fiber
#

To be frank, the plasma gun is the only thing on a vet that can kill the user

#

But outliers will be outliers

tawny badger
jaunty fiber
#

Besides, you expect them to bring plasma guns "in line" or gut them entirely? I refuse to believe they'll know how to hit the sweet spot in a game like this with such charged lore behind the concept of a weapon

merry glade
#

exec stance +reload speed when

tawny badger
#

how exec stance be looking at you when you need to reload

topaz lance
jaunty fiber
#

I'd bet there is, but that doesn't mean it wont make them "unusable trash" to the vast majority of the playerbase if they don't do the best damage to everything in the game

frank basin
jaunty fiber
#

hell, the plasma gun may be cracked but why do you fucking care when you can still actually play the game with myriad other weapons at the top end and have just as much fun and success?

umbral scaffold
#

I want to regen toughness using exec stance

jaunty fiber
#

Because you lack free will, that's why

merry glade
#

because i hate people who think they're good when they use it

frank basin
tawny badger
winter grove
jaunty fiber
#

Damn right

merry glade
winter grove
#

It's honestly a miracle if plasma vet kills himself somehow

jaunty fiber
#

No I mean...out of their own kit

topaz lance
jaunty fiber
#

That's pretty stupid ngl

winter grove
tawny badger
#

also how do you even get to the point that the plasma gun explodes in your hands

you’d have to do that on purpose with how easy the heat management is

winter grove
umbral scaffold
#

The only thing that can kill a vet is the lone poxwalker coming from behind after the shooter plinked 1% of the toughness

jaunty fiber
#

The heat of the moment can cause many folks to panic or slip up

merry glade
jaunty fiber
#

Don't pretend like all you clowns are perfect at this game

winter grove
#

NOBODY USES CHARGED SHOTS

umbral scaffold
#

I am

tawny badger
umbral scaffold
#

I never make mistakes

frank basin
winter grove
jaunty fiber
#

This is so besides the fucking point, omg.

winter grove
#

It's because you'd need to do that on purpose

frank basin
#

Rarely during panic attacking try get rid off the threat I was reckless didn’t check on the heat and got myself blown up

topaz lance
tawny badger
#

knowing darktide player mentality I’d imagine ppl thinking the plasma gun is dogshit if they had to use the charge shot for anything

jaunty fiber
#

Yeah I get it, you sweaties aren't blowing up, fine, the point was the weapon is still dangerous and needs to be worth the risk. BUT you did just point out the thing that needs to change.

#

Backload that damage into charging the shots.

winter grove
#

Sweaties

#

That's nice

#

Call us sweeties at least

jaunty fiber
#

Increase the risk for the payoff and make it less generally oppressive with just basic plinking

white minnow
#

sweating at the game (not pressing RMB)

tawny badger
#

plasma pistol thumbsup_ogryn

frank basin
#

He like me when I play destiny 2 those people playing high difficulty I call them hardcore player/choosen elitist.

winter grove
wanton dawn
#

Oh, an argument on plasma

topaz lance
#

I think they should at least buff exe stance by removing the passive that spawns a poxwalker or bruiser behind you when you activate it.

frank basin
wanton dawn
#

No whatthefuck_heresy

frank basin
#

Damn

winter grove
#

Plasma's everyone's favourite to hate on

tawny badger
winter grove
#

And for a good reason

slate hawk
flat crypt
#

Forget the plasma. It's time to go full doom guy with the hacker. Smoke to force enemies come closers, exe to simulate glory kill possibilities and one of the chain weapons to fill the role of chainsaw.

white minnow
#

@spice wadi agooagooof

spice wadi
#

I occasionally fire a charged shot at a crusher and then the psyker/zealot kills it before me anyway

#

what is wrong arco

white minnow
#

get a crippling alcohol addiction for me pls

tawny badger
#

"agooagoof"

tawny badger
old quail
white minnow
#

what are you doing here

winter grove
#

He woke up and decided to go most tax heavy build

bitter turtle
#

man

#

im seeing so many ppl

#

run out and die to gunners in new mission lel

#

they gave them some pretty good sightlines

tawny badger
#

gunners got me fucked up with executioners stance ngl

spice wadi
#

it felt like there were way more shooters than usual but i havent played in ages

white minnow
#

i thought i could be brain off but then the map turns out to actually be open unlike basically all maps

tawny badger
#

I don’t even realize I’m being shot at

frank basin
#

Smoke grenade:

spice wadi
#

and usually before i took a break i was playing with the space hopper

#

so

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

that's normal

#

tho

white minnow
#

can't believe i have to pay attention to positioning now

tawny badger
white minnow
#

this is fucked up

#

mittins why don't you die

spice wadi
#

???

bitter turtle
#

its just funny to me

old quail
#

the new mission's mid event as an ogryn makes u feel like a beached whale

bitter turtle
#

its obv

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

how some ppl arent aware of map geometry

#

when they run out and get gunned down on new map lel

tawny badger
wanton dawn
winter grove
#

We had like 150 special kills and it was first 5-10 minutes of the mission

tawny badger
#

the electricity bit?

bitter turtle
white minnow
#

i basically do not perceive past 10m
the new map will give me a reason to rewire the neurons in my brain to scan my surroundings

bitter turtle
#

yea like my last run died on first holdout

merry glade
#

smokes in new map are genuinely good tho no cap

bitter turtle
#

bc one person ran ahead

tawny badger
#

darktide player learns how to use their eyes

bitter turtle
#

and didnt realize there's like 15 gunners

#

and died

#

then some other dude ran to the other side of the room

#

but also died

#

to the 15 gunners

old quail
frank basin
#

All I see is the new map some area is open wide expose and many shooter in that area and far away even gunners

bitter turtle
#

its KEKW_ogryn

tawny badger
bitter turtle
#

first time i see ppl dying to gunners so much

tawny badger
#

I like making gunner skulls go boom with the bolt pistol

old quail
#

the opening area with the 8 million miles of ledge is insanity

merry glade
old quail
#

theres a boss trigger right at the fkin start

spice wadi
#

altho i did say that the bolt pistol feels like it'll struggle with mass shooters

spice wadi
#

i enter the new map

#

mass shooters

bitter turtle
slate hawk
frank basin
#

Yup

old quail
white minnow
#

my 2nd game on the new map, i decided to assail game but then the game crashed my ass

old quail
#

the boltpistol is the metaphorical child of the boltgun

frank basin
#

BoN at beginning area near stair and ledge and horde if possible spawn

old quail
#

making it susceptible to america's apex predator

tawny badger
iron marten
#

I didn't actually have any problems with the beginning of gunners

#

BoN in the beginning is pretty funny though

bitter turtle
#

i dont have a problem with them

#

they are easy to deal wit

tawny badger
bitter turtle
#

but its obv how some people have REALLY bad habits

#

like the yare not used to how narrow and long the map geometry is

frank basin
#

I means if the gunners on high ground shooting down at us while chaff melee surrounding us; we fucked

bitter turtle
#

and how good the sightlines enemy gunners get on this map

old quail
#

there's a couple corridors where the game can just

#

pile elites on

tawny badger
#

oops all ragers

bitter turtle
#

so they do stuff which would normally be ok on another map but now it just kills htem in 10 seconds flat

winter grove
#

Oops all gunners

old quail
#

you turn the wrong corridor and there's now 6 crushers in an 8 foot wide tube

iron marten
#

My first run on the map, though, was without determined on a bolt pistol. The suppression was insane lmao

tawny badger
frank basin
#

Even gunner like 30-40 meter away still shooting at you

spice wadi
#

there's the moment where the gondola opens

bitter turtle
#

gondola open is pretty fun

spice wadi
#

and then the elites literally walk through the walls

bitter turtle
#

i like that part

#

really feels like a holdout against an enemy army

spice wadi
#

which did make me go ????

#

when a mauler walked through the wall

#

shortly before being shot dead

bitter turtle
#

in all seriousness

#

i really like this map

#

actually feels different

spice wadi
#

why were u joking before

tawny badger
#

the AI director two seconds before sending 500 gunners at you the instant you reach the gondola part

frank basin
# winter grove Bro

Maybe 25 meter to be correct but it feel like they shooting at us like Normandy mg42

old quail
#

the mid event has certain spawns where i just turn around

#

after my entire toughness bar is stripped

#

by 6 gunners across the room

#

it is very annoying

spice wadi
#

ur toughness bar is stripped by 1 scathing remark

#

bad example

old quail
#

i will detonate the building you live in

bright charm
#

the recon lasgun very comfy to run with head hunder infernus combo.

tawny badger
#

one poxwalkers smack to the behind and suddenly my toughness is halved

alr man

spice wadi
#

is the recon lasgun actually something to pursue now

winter grove
#

Nah

spice wadi
#

or is it just the relentless torture of recon enjoyers ending

tawny badger
#

was it ever

frank basin
winter grove
#

It's just not Ius tier dogshit

spice wadi
#

because i looked at the buff

#

and went 'this just makes them still worse than autoguns'

bitter turtle
frank basin
#

Man did the auto pistol still left in dust

bitter turtle
#

6 still whelmed me

frank basin
#

We forgotten the shredder now

merry glade
#

rip shreddr autopist

#

rip in pasta

spice wadi
#

autopistol had its day

#

it is consigned to history

merry glade
#

terrible damage. terrible ammo economy

nimble wadi
#

I love when you have a ranch side salad and the ranch gets into your pasta

spice wadi
#

the days of pressing w and holding m1

nimble wadi
#

Hello MOOTIFIOS

nimble wadi
#

Hello Joshington Boots

old quail
#

not in public

bright charm
frank basin
bitter turtle
#

u can do that better with 7 since it cleaves hordes

tawny badger
#

I should be able to do the double shot w/ the hacker while sprinting, this is BS

frank basin
bitter turtle
#

i just dont really see an advantage of 6

#

its fun

#

bc super high rof

#

but

old quail
#

when you're out of ammo

#

and brace

#

and fire it

frank basin
#

They said VId shoot like minigun

old quail
#

it forces you to stay braced for the duration of what is supposed to be the recoil

#

except nothing happens

#

because the gun isn't loaded

tawny badger
#

most intelligent veteran

umbral garnet
#

What do you guys think of the new guns

nimble wadi
tawny badger
umbral garnet
#

It's fun, to me, at least.

bright charm
frank basin
#

Try double barrel shotgun

#

If you played doom

umbral garnet
#

THE BRACE

#

MEATIEST FUCKING SOUND

old quail
umbral garnet
#

BSCHOW

nimble wadi
umbral garnet
#

Haven't consecrated the new mace or shotgun though

frank basin
#

They are expensive for player didn’t grind plasteel

umbral garnet
#

Yet to see hit's full potential.

untold moth
#

How are the recon guns feeling

frank basin
#

Mark 7 got nice dmg boost

#

6 get higher rof

#

13 rps to 20 Rps

untold moth
#

Is the crit string still nerfed?

frank basin
#

The columnus did

#

From 4 to 3

untold moth
#

Recon I swear used to be 3, nerfed to 2

frank basin
#

Mmm

untold moth
#

A while ago, before they messed with the damage profile of the weapon

frank basin
#

The combat axe

#

One my old favorite blue head combat axe

#

When brutal momentum before rework it was nice I just swing kill and it cut through without need hitting weak spot

rich axle
#

Hey anyone know what weapon is best to blitz through the adept assassin penance?

rich axle
#

I usually just run in tier IV with the Vraks autorifle.

#

But I get hardly any per game.

bright charm
frank basin
#

I haven’t got 2

#

I only have 7 and 6

rich axle
#

Or is it just one of those, grind through it challenges?

winter grove
mental cloud
untold moth
#

Wait. I thought I read that they were removing the locks

frank basin
#

And what did you realize?

mental cloud
#

Get a kill switch weapons and head for the gunners and flamers

merry glade
merry glade
#

hope there's still incentive to play with the rework

#

like something to chase or w/e

#

tbh i don't hate the current crafting system

pallid jetty
#

one of the mods said that FS is cooking, and they're really really trying to deliver

frank basin
#

Yeah saying that my friend who play Darktide uninstalled doesn’t like fs being over promised for 2 year with crafting didn’t change.

merry glade
#

i had a stroke trying to comprehend that

umbral garnet
#

I understand development is a difficult thing but this hs been a LONG time coming.

#

At least they aren't Mojang. Lazy cunts.

merry glade
frank basin
#

Good roll

merry glade
#

or is it

frank basin
#

Old trick here we go

frank basin
umbral garnet
pallid jetty
#

nobody is holding you

umbral garnet
#

I'm not complaining, I like the game.

#

For the sake of their PR, they should, I mean.

pallid jetty
#

"im not complaining"

#

they should, they better

#

yeah no shit

#

for the 199943436 time

#

no shit

loud wharf
frank basin
pallid jetty
#

lower your expectations

proper delta
#

Hoping for eventual chaos wastes that was so fun

frank basin
#

How many Darktide player wished to make weapon gear get max stats roll?

pallid jetty
#

no one

#

who cares even

umbral garnet
frank basin
#

I heard they like Vermintide crafting transfer to Darktide crafting system

#

That’s their wish

umbral garnet
frank basin
proven oasis
#

is paul usable again?

frank basin
#

No clue

pallid jetty
#

ive heard it feels better

trim hemlock
pallid jetty
#

didnt try it myself

proper delta
#

Does the shock effect of the new maul actually do anything? I can’t tell

trim hemlock
#

It’s not terrible anymore, I’ll give it that much

umbral garnet
frank basin
#

Just like destiny 2

proven oasis
#

lost me a while ago

umbral garnet
#

Destiny 2 players... I am not sorry for your loss, you play that game, play something better.

frank basin
#

Something as second chance

pallid jetty
#

ive heard the last dlc for desteny is very good

frank basin
#

Final shape ofc

proven oasis
#

no desier to go back

#

games fallen and peaked already

umbral garnet
#

It's like watching a person addicted to smoking.

proper delta
#

I quit when d2 made PvP 4 player p2p

frank basin
umbral garnet
#

Devastating for their heatlh.

#

But they can't stop.

frank basin
#

I being left behind in d2 when new expansion release gear score set new level and I start over.

#

Idk why I brought $10 lightfall

proven oasis
merry glade
#

does d2 still charge you per dungeon

frank basin
frank basin
#

Witch queen, lightfall

proven oasis
#

💀 bre what

merry glade
proven oasis
#

im glad i got out before that shit

frank basin
#

Ofc I won’t buy it because fuck that

#

Except I’m a hypocrite buying -75% coupon on warframe platinum

proven oasis
#

isent d2 also pay to win atm?

frank basin
#

Well like stasis like strand, those don’t have latest subclass will complain about the player who brought the latest expansion are p2w

proven oasis
#

so yes it is pay to win lol

frank basin
#

Because new subclass is prismatic aka mix and match your subclasses arc solar void strand stasis

#

All in one

proven oasis
#

arent the best exotics also loccked behind new dlcs?

frank basin
#

I’m seeing my helper has prismatic and literally exploding and create orb of power a lot

frank basin
#

Every dlc has one exotic

#

But bungie decide put exotic mission rotator in legend tab

#

So yeah you can replay vaulted exotic mission

proven oasis
frank basin
#

Today we have whisper of the past, avold something for vexcalibur glaive weapon, and zero hour

frank basin
#

Wait Wydm?

#

No it’s past exotic mission

#

Like old exotic mission removed but they put in rotator dunno when they reset

#

So like if you want get dead man tale just wait when exotic mission rotation show it up (obvious you can buy from XUR who now reside at the bazaar tower)

#

Seasonal exotic are limited edition and you still can get through exotic mission rotation for free.

#

I like to have strand exotic bow

#

And I would have to wait

undone dust
#

Did i just hit jackpot ? 😄

frank basin
#

Everyone hit the jackpot

winter grove
undone dust
#

Oh... so it was scam lottery ...

winter grove
#

GAMBLING PAYS

junior needle
#

Nice to see that fatshark still hasn't fixed silent trappers

frank basin
junior needle
#

Had one not make a single sound until it was in melee range and within LOS

placid portal
#

Hoo boy, time for me to roll for some Double barrel shotty

winter grove
#

Should I hate or adore hadron for giving me blaze away and gets hot on my good plasma gun

#

On one hand I wanted to make good rolls for plasma

#

On other hand I hoped it wouldn't go through because I don't like plasma

rocky jacinth
#

buff bolt pistol pls thanks ok thumbsup_ogryn

winter grove
rocky jacinth
#

It's just too bad it's completely worthless because the shots stop at the first sign of resistance unlike the full size variant

winter grove
#

What do you use the bolt pistol for

rocky jacinth
#

Why would I ever use it over either the boltgun or the revolver? Absolutely no reason

proper delta
#

I need it to explode people in one shot reliably so I can use it instead of revolver because it’s cool. I’m tryna make it work rn on a swap build cause a gun build seemed worse than just using the bolter

winter grove
#

Do you just shoot poxwalkers with it

junior needle
#

Someone aggros the daemonhost, then leaves, it goes onto a bot, someone joins, and then it aggros on me

#

nice

#

Thank you fatshark

rocky jacinth
#

but hey the regular bolter does the same thing, and can also hit specials in crowds
same thing with the revolver

#

this is the only thing the bolt pistol does that's special, w o w

winter grove
#

So you're telling me

proper delta
#

It’s so cool tho

winter grove
#

A high finesse gun

#

That prioritises single target weakspot damage

#

That has surgical and DA in it's pool

#

Is bad at CC

proper delta
#

Idk if I would call shooting a mini rocket high finesse really but I get the spirit of what you’re saying

finite carbon
#

Darktide got update?

winter grove
#

You need to hit weakspot with them

proper delta
#

Yeah wish it were as good at that as the revolver

winter grove
#

Except Locke is slow as shit

winter grove
rocky jacinth
winter grove
#

It's obvious that zarona js better

winter grove
proper delta
#

Why would I stop comparing it when I also want to whip it out and tap a head with it

winter grove
#

Except zealots

proper delta
#

Like that’s the prime contender for comparison

rocky jacinth
#

And revolver does the same thing without suppression, but also pierces through an entire horde or an entire line of gunners to 1tap the sniper or trapper you were aiming at

winter grove
#

Zarona is OP everybody knows that

proper delta
#

Ok and

rocky jacinth
#

And that makes the bolt pistol better how?

winter grove
#

It's better than locke because it doesn't feel like shit to use

#

I was maining Locke previously and it HURTS to use it

#

The reload and the swap animation

proper delta
#

Locke doesn’t feel like shit to use because it is effective at what it does

rocky jacinth
#

The Locke has shots that both pierce AND explode. They don't really do damage, but they stagger enemies so you can send an entire horde flying

bitter turtle
#

Reload can be shortened as well

rocky jacinth
#

Or do you think that the 8-50 damage the pistol explosion does is worth losing out on being able to kill 8 guys in 1 shot?

winter grove
#

Nobody uses Locke for CC except zealots

#

It's not the job it fulfills

rocky jacinth
#

It does exactly the same job the pistol does

#

WITH added piercing

proper delta
#

Yeah the piercing is huge at actually tapping people

rocky jacinth
#

And for quick swapping the bolt pistol is just directly inferior to both the zarona AND the las pistol (which surprise, penetrates through enemies)

bitter turtle
#

Fast swap with bolter

winter grove
#

Laspistol when it meets carapace

bitter turtle
#

Well

#

I think it's hard to argue boltpistol is better than laspistol

#

Laspis is a very very strong gun

winter grove
#

Different roles imho

winter grove
#

Laspistols are fun

bitter turtle
#

I would prob rank it top 5

winter grove
#

Esp the 2nd mark

proper delta
#

Idrc about boltpistol being better I just want it to be effective at quick precision killing given that it is a pistol

bitter turtle
#

It's fine at that

#

Just do wep specialist with da

proper delta
winter grove
bitter turtle
#

Most ppl don't do the bolter tech too

winter grove
#

For sure

bitter turtle
#

Though they should

#

Cus they are always complaining about the slow swap and reload

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

No

rocky jacinth
#

It does its job well on Malice maybe

bitter turtle
#

You can fast swap bolter

#

I linked you it

winter grove
#

Yeah I know you can

bitter turtle
#

Also sprint cancel to abuse staged reloads

#

Reduces reload time significantly

winter grove
#

I stand corrected

rocky jacinth
#

The only benefit the bolt pistol has over the bolter is that the reload is fast enough to maintain Relentless without reload speed talents

bitter turtle
#

Fwiw I doubt more than a handful of ppl even in this channel do this

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

It's not that hard but it's also not that well known

rocky jacinth
#

but you just need to grab Volley Adept and bam you can do it

topaz lance
bitter turtle
#

You can't really play wep specialist bolter

#

Tbf

bitter turtle
rocky jacinth
bitter turtle
#

No dumb slapping it's ass animation

#

It's still conditional tech so it doesn't really fit wep specialist playstyle though

#

I think I'm p good at it and I wouldn't even bother

topaz lance
bitter turtle
#

When you swap back to it

#

Cancel swap animation with reload

#

Cancel reload animation with sprint

#

It's very practical tech

#

You don't really need tonthink about keeping 1 round empty cause you usually do anyway

winter grove
#

My personal rule of thumb while comparing ranged weapons is to not compare the with The OP Trio

#

Since they're obviously superior choices

wind schooner
bitter turtle
#

Frankly that is the best way to play it

tardy vine
rocky jacinth
#

yeah wep spec works but it's just a bad weapon

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

I don't think so

#

It's worse than revolver but

#

Zarona is smelly anyway

wind schooner
spice wadi
#

FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIN revolver

lyric zenith
#

sry best perks for agrippina/columnus? is flak+carapace good? :)

rocky jacinth
#

I'm a weapon specialist shotgun enjoyer

bitter turtle
#

If u ignore zarona I think it has a niche

#

Shotgun wep special is a trap imo

#

Kinda meh

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

Not that impressive for agri and the other two shotguns are just kinda bad for vet imo

rocky jacinth
bitter turtle
#

U could just run a decent melee and also hit like a truck up close

rocky jacinth
#

Only downside is that you need to match it with an armor killing melee weapon like power sword if you want to stand your ground against crusher trains

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

And have a gun that works farther than 10m

winter grove
#

To the point of outdamaging the zealots

bitter turtle
#

Agri is the exception cause it can snipe with slug and even normal shots 1tap gunner up ton15m

rocky jacinth
bitter turtle
#

I don't count needing tk shoot a gunner 2/3 times at 15m fine

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

On a gun with low ammo

bitter turtle
winter grove
#

Saying that as previously Agri shotty user

bitter turtle
#

Agri can 1 shot a lot more reliably without needing to rely on crits

#

I think it's low key really strong

winter grove
#

True

bitter turtle
#

1shotting bursters is underrated too

winter grove
#

It's held back by the fact that slug is a special

bitter turtle
#

I use volley adept and tac reload

winter grove
#

Make every Agri shot a slug and you get Zarona 2.0

bitter turtle
#

To chain slugs fast

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

Also ads to cancel reload anim

#

The pump animation

#

Granted that's 2 pt tax on shitty reload talents but it is what it is

rocky jacinth
#

i think that's good enough

bitter turtle
#

That's lawbringer right

rocky jacinth
#

agri

winter grove
#

Agri

bitter turtle
#

Yes

#

I said agri is good

winter grove
#

Lawbringer is blue

bitter turtle
#

So idk what you are showing me that for

#

I said I think lawb and kant are bad on vet

winter grove
#

I do know a class they're good on

rocky jacinth
#

You were talking about the slug shot

winter grove
#

Something something on Z

rocky jacinth
#

That's without slug, just spam em down

bitter turtle
#

I did not say only slug

rocky jacinth
#

Right

winter grove
#

Can't put a finger on which

bitter turtle
#

I said up to 15m normal shots can 1 tap gunner

#

Very reliably

#

If it's slug it's infinite range

#

Not just 15m

rocky jacinth
#

Anyway, Kant does require 3 shots but it's not bad at all because it has such high suppression values that you can kind of hip fire it in the general direction of gunners and hold W until you're in melee

winter grove
#

Yeah that's what Zealots love

bitter turtle
#

Yea I love the idea of spending multiple bullets to suppress the enemies so I can kill them with melee instead of just fucking shooting them

#

That's why I think they are not that good on vet

rocky jacinth
#

I run it with Agile Engagement and smoke grenades uwugryn

bitter turtle
#

vet melee does a fuckton of damage, even more than zealot

#

so vet really does not need more help up close

#

also doesnt have fotf to close the distance instantly if you wanna play that way in the first place

#

i just think there is not much synergy

rocky jacinth
#

It's

#

Not a melee only gun

bitter turtle
#

i mention agri as an exception just cause its basically a sniper rifle in disguise anyway

#

so it actually fits vet exceptionally well

winter grove
#

Still gotta love how Veteran is a supposed Gun Guy and yet he gets one of the best melee's in the game

#

Cough

#

Pswords

rocky jacinth
#

But you still benefit from having massive up close stopping power to have an easier time triggering AE and wep spec on a quick swap

bitter turtle
#

yeah but at that point why not just play agri

#

the special rounds on law and kant are really meh imo

#

obv im not even gonna compare it to certain other guns

winter grove
#

And idk how hard it is to proc WA/AE with anything that isn't Ius autopistol

rocky jacinth
bitter turtle
#

but even just within its own class (shotguns) i think they lack a meaningful niche

winter grove
rocky jacinth
#

(without slug)

bitter turtle
#

if ur shooting at close range i dont think suppression is very meaningful

rocky jacinth
#

it's more meaningful than you give it credit for

bitter turtle
#

no

#

suppression is trash

winter grove
#

Nah

bitter turtle
#

to begin with

#

ngl

winter grove
#

Suppression is bad

rocky jacinth
#

it prevents scattered shooters from gunning you down if you rush in

winter grove
#

Unless you use shit like Recon 6d

rocky jacinth
#

ok what the fuck is going on with vet chat right now

#

suppression is suddenly bad?

bitter turtle
#

suppression being trash is not a controversial statement

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

go into search

rocky jacinth
#

are we playing the same game?

bitter turtle
#

most ppl agree

#

suppresion sucks

rocky jacinth
#

i guess you enjoy being shot

bitter turtle
#

no i just shoot them and they die

winter grove
#

^

bitter turtle
#

gunners are the most harmless elite enemy

#

u can literally just sprint away from them

#

and become bullet immune

rocky jacinth
#

it's not just gunners, regular shooters too

winter grove
#

Just shoot them

#

Lmao

topaz lance
bitter turtle
#

idk im not really up to argue about these hypotheticals but nobody really builds for or around suppression besides memes

#

i fanything

#

its annoying for a lot of guns

winter grove
#

You don't have to suppress anyone if everyone is dead

bitter turtle
#

if enemy get suppressed

#

becomes harder to headshot

rocky jacinth
# winter grove Just shoot them

you have a point if we're talking about using a weapon or build suited to doing it but right now we're in weapon specialist land

bitter turtle
#

like charging in with a brauto is nice ig but it just annoys the shit out of me if im playing v7 and someone is suppressing everything

winter grove
#

Or better yet

#

Melee them

bitter turtle
#

its not even strictly an upside

#

even on the new map where i think its hilarious ppl are dying to gunners bc of all the narrow pathways making good sightlines for gunners i dont see a need for suppression

#

nor felt one

rocky jacinth
#

Ok mister has never ever been shot ever

bitter turtle
#

🤷‍♀️

rocky jacinth
#

Even CIAG has a ton of suppression by default to the point that just shooting a couple shooters in a cluster will suppress them

#

I think it's doing more for you than you think

bitter turtle
#

again

#

u can search in the chat

#

its not "suddenly" ppl dont like suppression

rocky jacinth
#

Oh one more thing, it will knock reapers out of the firing cycle which makes Kantrael an excellent "disable this guy" tool

bitter turtle
#

lol

#

suppressing reapers

#

is the most troll shit

#

actually

#

they cover their heads

rocky jacinth
#

Yeah well most people who play this are having trouble with Malice

bitter turtle
#

i love taking 5 shots to kill them instead of 2

#

on v7

#

cause some yeehaw is running his terrifying barrage build

rocky jacinth
#

Yeah it's so troll when you're alone up close against a reaper, your ability is on cooldown and you have no cover and can't close in

bitter turtle
#

why are you even in that situation in th e first place

rocky jacinth
#

Because I'm rushing in with my sword flailing like a madman

slow spade
#

Bolt pistol fun c:

bitter turtle
#

this sounds like a skill issue if u are finding yourself at midrange vs a reaper with no ability up getting shot at

#

i play melee vet and this is not a thing that happens to me

#

not in AM, not in HISTG

rocky jacinth
#

i don't care about it because i can just tap the reaper to stop him from killing me

slow spade
#

Reapers should be a lot scarier though

#

:c

rocky jacinth
#

who needs tactics when you have a well rounded build that can deal with any situation even after you get yourself in trouble

slow spade
#

By never getting into trouble in the first place

#

Brb abandoning my team stealths

frosty furnace
#

What’s the best melee option for Vet with a sweeping motion? Is there one?

bitter turtle
#

what is the best horde clear vet weapon

slow spade
bitter turtle
#

or specifically only ones with horizontal swings

slow spade
#

MK3 power sword Heavy attacks are ONLY sweeping attacks

frosty furnace
#

Preferably horizontal yeah

bitter turtle
#

power sword probably

frosty furnace
#

Thanks

slow spade
#

But mk6 is better for general use

rocky jacinth
#

I mean sure if you're such a god gamer that you never make mistakes, never die and never fail a mission and solo clutch in AM every time you don't need to engage with such frivolous main mechanics like "suppression" and "stagger"

bitter turtle
#

i would rate a rolled rashad as being the best horde option

#

but

#

it is not horizontal swings

bitter turtle
#

its about "being stuck at midrange vs swarm of gunners with no way to get out" being a very easily avoidable situation

slow spade
#

Yeah MK3 power sword is the best horde clear + horizontal sweeps

bitter turtle
#

u literally get stamina back from getting shot by them, just sprint out lmao

rocky jacinth
slow spade
#

Due to literally only horizontal sweep heavy attacks

rocky jacinth
#

Not because I make the mistake of getting in it in the first place

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

first u say its about being a god gamer and not making mistakes, now you say its not a mistake at all and you were doing it on purpose

#

idk anymore

#

its fine

#

run what you want lol

#

not like it really matters a whole lot

rocky jacinth
#

I play like every weapon, there's a lot of variety, there's not just one way to play and get all the orange numbers on the score screen

slow spade
#

Darktide isn't exactly a hard game

slow spade
#

Basic awareness and knowing what the dodge button does instantly makes you Heresy ready

winter grove
#

I die to stray poxwalkers and that's shameful

rocky jacinth
winter grove
#

And I confidently say Suppression is worthless

rocky jacinth
#

If you have a setup that can utilize suppression, it becomes a non issue

bitter turtle
#

its a non issue in the first place, u can just shoot them instead of walking up to them for no reason

#

now

rocky jacinth
#

jesus christ staregryn

bitter turtle
#

if you want to say

#

you want to walk up to them

#

'for fun"

#

because its "your way of playing the game"

#

that is fine

#

and fair

winter grove
#

It's not even a problem to walk up to them without suppression

bitter turtle
#

but i was not talking about that

#

i was saying kant/law are relatively weak in comparison

#

to other options on vet

winter grove
#

Just slide under them since shooters have object permanence of a frog

bitter turtle
#

yes

#

you can play weak things for fun

#

i play agri revolver

winter grove
#

I play ilas because clicking heads is fun

slow spade
#

Pls give agri revolver pierce...

bitter turtle
#

honestly this argument keeps shifting into whatever the fuck idk even anymore, is it a mistake, is it not a mistake, is it about strength or just having variety in playstyles?

#

just run what you want idc anymore lol

rocky jacinth
#

My point was that Kant shotgun is actually good because it serves niches, unlike the bolt pistol

slow spade
#

Bruh

winter grove
#

It's not fun when my mg12 suddenly stops doing meaningful damage because crusher hid his head

bitter turtle
#

crusher cant be suppressed

#

i think u mean reaper

winter grove
#

Reaper

bitter turtle
#

if u could suppress crusher/rager

winter grove
#

Fucking ogryns

sour elbow
#

I've come to the conclusion I hate the powersword. It's energised attack is the tits ofc, but the normal feels so weak

bitter turtle
#

suppression would actually be useful

bitter turtle
#

too bad it only works on harmless trash only

slow spade
#

I miss when the base power sword had 3 energized attacks

bitter turtle
#

no power cycler psword is probably

sour elbow
bitter turtle
#

one of the worst melee options

slow spade
rocky jacinth
#

You know what works on maulers, ragers and crushers? Stagger. You know what has really powerful stagger? Kantrael shotgun.

slow spade
#

Its one of the strongest melee options if you can get used to it

bitter turtle
#

well

#

that's fair anyway tho

#

try rashad

#

if you want powerful melee that doesnt need you to turn it back on every 5 seconds

slow spade
#

Note: a GOOD rashad

sour elbow
#

Sure, I'm saying the unpowered attacks feel so weak. "Get power cycler lol" is not the answer. :p

bitter turtle
#

oh

#

the implication is

slow spade
#

Yes it is though

rocky jacinth
#

I'll second that, Rashad is sick if you don't like powering the thing up

bitter turtle
#

"dont use normal attacks"

#

they basically have no purpose

winter grove
bitter turtle
#

on psword

slow spade
#

They stagger still I occasionally use it to interrupt enemy attacks

bitter turtle
#

ok in niche scenarios but they are useless for damage, at least

slow spade
#

Indeed

winter grove
#

Tactical Axe 4 special attack

rocky jacinth
winter grove
#

Therefore Taxe 4 is now meta

slow spade
winter grove
#

Give me 5 billion dollars

slow spade
#

Yet I refuse to go for a rashad

bitter turtle
#

i will stick to just hitting crusher with my melee

#

lol

tacit hearth
#

Hey guys

#

Gals

#

HUH

#

14 specialists out of which 12 ragers

#

spawned infront of my very eyes

slow spade
winter grove
#

Ragers are elite

#

🤓

tacit hearth
#

Tomato tomato

#

Theyre bastards

#

Ai director said no

winter grove
#

True

slow spade
#

Ragers 100% needed the hp buff UwU

#

spawns 20 in one room

winter grove
#

They even buffed their attack speed

bitter turtle
#

time to run

#

sunder mk3 psword

tardy vine
#

hello there

slow spade
tardy vine
bitter turtle
#

ive been theorizing for a while its gud

#

lol

slow spade
#

I wonder if that's any good

bitter turtle
#

but sunder just got buffed

#

so

#

its prob even better now

slow spade
#

I didn't even consider it at first lol

bitter turtle
#

it seemed pretty nice to me

#

but i only tried it in psyk not real game cause i dont have a mk3 KEKW_ogryn

#

in theory you can kill 4 rager in one charge though

#

maybe even 5 now with buff

untold mulch
#

bit late to the ask, and I could search but eh kark it

#

Recon changes? Sink or swim?

winter grove
#

I am gonna use sink or swim in the future for yay or nay questions now

untold mulch
#

🫡

mystic laurel
#

what if I generally tend to just float, face down?

untold mulch
#

I feel like that just drowning but sadder

mystic laurel
#

yeah, that sounds accurate

#

my usual playstyle, in a nutshell

untold mulch
#

like a 4.9/10 grade

slow spade
#

Needs more armor pen as it got nerfed

wide pike
slow spade
#

Buffed Ammo too so its ammo gain should be buffed

junior needle
slow spade
#

Right

junior needle
#

2 has the same ammo, others got buffed

sour elbow
#

I'm glad the recons got love, because I felt they weren't good enough.

slow spade
#

My memory D:

junior needle
# untold mulch Recon changes? Sink or swim?

Better than before but still mediocre, you want rending on all models now. Dps was supposedly normalized across the variants, as was adm's. However the 6d still has the worst ammo efficiency for no reason despite doing about the same dps.

#

Here's the numbers

bitter turtle
#

is actually pretty good

junior needle
#

7a still has the cleave