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giving up a bottomless clip and much better melee on a melee heavy gun so you can probably still not actually 5 tap a boss because you are doing it in a real game and not psykarium
is
🤔
but yeah
idk I feel like if you drop a krak into the boss first to stun stagger you can set up the 5 tap kill
i mean az said themself these vids are just for fun, not actual builds
yeah but Az also said Vet has the best boss damage of all 4 classes and he can kill a boss before a Zealot can reach it to swing
so even outside of the funny Psykanium shenanigans they're still doing silly levels of boss burst
yea but im pretty sure he's not running focus target zarona to do it
you can do a lot of burst dmg either way with a normal build
i did that double chaos spawn challenge that numbercat did
the synergy is really good for diminishing the only downside revolver has: the reload
kill both with knife in almost under 1 min
the psykanium challenges people do with mods are fun to watch
Hrrmmm,
IF I use Gloryhunter on the bolt pistol, do I need the confirmed kill regen too...
A lot of the blessings on the pistol seem meh, I think you don't really need anything but deadly accurate.
Deadshot + crit talents should be enough to replace surgical
will need to test later
Mr. Craime also did one fighting a bunch of crushers, bulwarks and a plague ogryn all simultaneously just spamming charged power sword lights into everything
FOUND IT
power sword is goofy
When I see a vet with PS, Plasma and VoC in my team I am tempted to leave.
hey uh
are the Psykers ok
has anyone checked on them
because like
they don't look ok
WHAT IS THIS
tactical ball gag incoming
when the Psyker won't shut up about his Beloved so you have to gag him to ensure radio silence
Is he okay?
But but but :((( he’s my beloved
I am the overseer beloved
I'd ask him but I don't think he can tell us
It's ok just whisper into the ball gag for beloved
a very bad haircut
Vro, going back to braced autos after using infantry is just

Why do things deal less damage
gun kicks like a mule. is point blank any good?
Point blank might be a bit redundant with weapon specialist
Sir, you are effectively trying to fire 20mm from the hip
iirc it only triggers from kills with the weapon bash
they might have fixed it for the bolt pistol though
they said they fixed it
assuming they did it should be decent
yeah im pretty much running it with weapon spec. i could try this though
neat, haven't tried it lately
Bolter rounds are rocket propelled when they leave the barrel, so the initial charge only needs to be strong enough to exit
wouldn't point blank have even less value with weapon specialist since the first shot after you swap to ranged is 100% crit chance if you had at least 3 stacks from 3 melee kills before swapping?
it's just helping the 2nd/3rd and maybe 4th shot if you can squeeze in the extra shots during the point blank buff window right?
yeah pretty much
Here's what I want to test later today with a gloryhunter bolt pistol
I need to roll a new Boltpistol
I need an 80% damage stat, +25% Carapace, +10% Elite, Surgical IV + Deadly Accurate IV Boltpistol
the breakpoints are MADDENING
it's just SLIGHTLY off a lot of very satisfying 1HKOs with certain talent set ups
that even that tiniest bit of extra damage would make possible
My rashad leaves bruisers at 1 hp with full stacks of headtaker
whargarbl
crash on extraction 
mine can kill gunners and specialists but leaves 1hp on a poxwalker
yeah but why shoot at poxwalkers with a boltpistol
just an overall test on the firing range 
Yes and no. It's the highest DPS variant with the best TTK if you run a crit stacking + rending stacking talent tree. If you ignore even just Onslaught then the Mk VIIa probably outperforms it
But that is a very good roll
It should serve you well in matches regardless of how you set up your talent tree
had it from the last time those were good
ill have to get a vIIa to try at some point
The Mk VId is very fun after buffs though
Double magazine size and faster rate of fire
Feels like a laser light machine gun
The buffs to the Mk II and Mk VIIa damage are amazing though
what talents do you want? onslaught shock trooper and ofc generic veteran good stuff
marksmans focus is good on magdump weapons too right
I can show you my talent set up but it uses Exe Stance so you might end up swapping talents around to suit your own playstyle better
With recon headshotting you toast. 🥂
I'd argue in most cases it's much better for those weapons than actual DMRs
yea funny how that works
Here's what I use
the marksman focus keystone is better for rambo weapons and the melee/ranged hybrid keystone is better for precise single shot weapons
Gives you solid toughness damage reduction through Close Quarters Drill and Iron Will, gives you solid toughness generation through Confirmed Kill and Target Down
But wow
The improved rate of fire eats stamina MUCH faster
Deadshot is very tricky to work with
playing with a viia good base stats no blessings or perks in the psykanium right now
this thing does kinda shoot like a dream
i likes it
You could probably skip Deadshot and put it into Precision Strikes instead
do you run diff blessings on other variants?
I always use Headhunter on all Recons
makes some sense
I use Infernus on the Mk VId for my second blessing as personal taste but I run Dum Dum on the Mk II and Mk VIIa as my second blessing for them
Infernus is more damage at 25m+ I think while Dum Dum is better DPS from 0m to 25m
The damage difference is marginal
They're both good imo
you dont get superiority complex?
Keep in mind that sneaky runs an extremely glass cannon build and the videos are tailored for maximum crusher performance with a +carapace perk that is not optimal for regular usage
mhm
im not going to avoid taking it because he does im just curious about the decision
i dont blame you for pointing that out though
Also with deadshot, which is very impractical and difficult to keep up
some people would
I use deadshot with CIAG
It's a "better" choice with ciag
Due to it having yuge finesse values and also a lower rof
6d now has a rof of 20
Also CIAG having a recoil
And recons have low finesse values
Ciag is a horse kick
Recons do have recoil, it's just miniscule
They are unusually affected by suppression though
what is the best use case for kraks besides monstrous specialists? is there a good reason to take them over shredders? i feel like most good vet setups can handle crushers and maulers well
Shreds are vastly preferred atm
i want to get that penance done and ive been thinking about it
Recoil recon just spreading the beam, camera does no kick
no
unless you're running like
laspistol + dclaw
not like using kraks is gonna make me lose but every time i make a build with them i cant really justify it besides i want to progress this penance
with no ability to kill armor
The gun itself does move slightly last I checked, but that was prepatch
I can check again
the only niche they have for most loadout is stunlock monstro
bow down to smoke grenade superiority
since every melee except dclaw can kill crusher in 1-2 seconds
how are the new shock mauls by the way
swung the one that doesnt look like a medieval mace around in the psykanium earlier and itfe lt good
Indig shock maul made me reconsider using psword for a build I planned
damn
Niceeeeeee
good sign
Maul is just more fun
just saw a comment in steam about bolt pistol
"it doesnt even 1 shot poxwalkers on damnation"
does he know you have to hit them
its the ads having a fucky modifier right
Killing takes time and specific tactics that are not always tenable in the moment
ads bolt pistol infested modifier is weird
I would agree on that tho.
The guns still have slight sway, same as pre patch
poxwalkers are just built different on damnation
what blessings are good on them? skullcrusher + another one of the damage blessings sounds good in my head but entropic sounds good in my heart
700 hp vs 525 dmg
timed blocking a rager and then crushing his head sounds fun
Wait 300 hp*
why
it just does
doesnt mean the gun is bad
damage types are per armor
you can 1 tap crushers with it under the right circumstances
Is strange like pox survive one bolt round
bolters do poor damage to infested apparently
esoteric 40k lore that is beyond us humble peons
But yes a pox will survive a non crit bodyshot without ranged juice
shoot them harder 
Why are you shooting poxwalkers with a gun?
I just realized that's the core problem here. not everything needs to just disintegrate the softest mobs in a hordeshooter. it takes some of the horde out of the shooter on a fundamental level
that's the kinda shit that gets nerfed
I’m playing commissar-like trying shoot poxwalkers
Yeah right, like the plasma!
Is funny
oh wait
To be frank, the plasma gun is the only thing on a vet that can kill the user
But outliers will be outliers
getting carried away with executioner’s stance:
Besides, you expect them to bring plasma guns "in line" or gut them entirely? I refuse to believe they'll know how to hit the sweet spot in a game like this with such charged lore behind the concept of a weapon
exec stance +reload speed when
how exec stance be looking at you when you need to reload
I am sure there is some middle ground between how they were before they made them OP and now.
I'd bet there is, but that doesn't mean it wont make them "unusable trash" to the vast majority of the playerbase if they don't do the best damage to everything in the game
Bring back old volley fire like old feats called “sustain fire”
hell, the plasma gun may be cracked but why do you fucking care when you can still actually play the game with myriad other weapons at the top end and have just as much fun and success?
I want to regen toughness using exec stance
Because you lack free will, that's why
because i hate people who think they're good when they use it
I miss that
that just sounds like gamers wanting to optimize the fun out of a game tbh
The only thing that can kill a vet you say
Damn right

It's honestly a miracle if plasma vet kills himself somehow
No I mean...out of their own kit
because a plasma gun actually takes away from my fun in runs.
That's pretty stupid ngl
I get it, it's just ain't happening unless it's a clueless timmy that just unlocked plasma
also how do you even get to the point that the plasma gun explodes in your hands
you’d have to do that on purpose with how easy the heat management is
Fire a charged shot at 100% heat
The only thing that can kill a vet is the lone poxwalker coming from behind after the shooter plinked 1% of the toughness
The heat of the moment can cause many folks to panic or slip up
don't they just, like. not ever use charge fire
Don't pretend like all you clowns are perfect at this game
THAT'S THE THING
NOBODY USES CHARGED SHOTS
I am
scab bruiser backshot eating 33% of my hp at 90% toughness
I never make mistakes
I was the one who use charged shot 😦
Nobody here is perfect, but nobody here is getting blown up by the plasma
This is so besides the fucking point, omg.
It's because you'd need to do that on purpose
Rarely during panic attacking try get rid off the threat I was reckless didn’t check on the heat and got myself blown up
Meh, I'm not that bothered. If they don't want to nerf it, fine. But then the balancing in this game is just horrible if some weapons are OP just because.
knowing darktide player mentality I’d imagine ppl thinking the plasma gun is dogshit if they had to use the charge shot for anything
Yeah I get it, you sweaties aren't blowing up, fine, the point was the weapon is still dangerous and needs to be worth the risk. BUT you did just point out the thing that needs to change.
Backload that damage into charging the shots.
Increase the risk for the payoff and make it less generally oppressive with just basic plinking
sweating at the game (not pressing RMB)
plasma pistol 
He like me when I play destiny 2 those people playing high difficulty I call them hardcore player/choosen elitist.
So real
Oh, an argument on plasma
I think they should at least buff exe stance by removing the passive that spawns a poxwalker or bruiser behind you when you activate it.
It is your favorite?
No 
Damn
Plasma's everyone's favourite to hate on
I think they should buff veteran by removing poxwalkers and bruisers
And for a good reason
I sometimes do but most of the time the 9 ammo cost for it doesn't warrant it
Forget the plasma. It's time to go full doom guy with the hacker. Smoke to force enemies come closers, exe to simulate glory kill possibilities and one of the chain weapons to fill the role of chainsaw.
@spice wadi agooagooof
I occasionally fire a charged shot at a crusher and then the psyker/zealot kills it before me anyway
what is wrong arco
get a crippling alcohol addiction for me pls
"agooagoof"
Smoke and Exe stance
Same
baby noises
what are you doing here
He woke up and decided to go most tax heavy build
man
im seeing so many ppl
run out and die to gunners in new mission lel
they gave them some pretty good sightlines
gunners got me fucked up with executioners stance ngl
it felt like there were way more shooters than usual but i havent played in ages
i thought i could be brain off but then the map turns out to actually be open unlike basically all maps
I don’t even realize I’m being shot at
One of the times I died in a new mission is because game decided to spawn like 10 specials every 3 minutes
can't believe i have to pay attention to positioning now
I would rather die
???
its just funny to me
the new mission's mid event as an ogryn makes u feel like a beached whale
its obv
Is it really
u cant bait me
how some ppl arent aware of map geometry
when they run out and get gunned down on new map lel
the one with the uhhhh
the sync-
synchr-
3d chess hard
We had like 150 special kills and it was first 5-10 minutes of the mission
the electricity bit?
i basically do not perceive past 10m
the new map will give me a reason to rewire the neurons in my brain to scan my surroundings
yea like my last run died on first holdout
smokes in new map are genuinely good tho no cap
bc one person ran ahead
darktide player learns how to use their eyes
and didnt realize there's like 15 gunners
and died
then some other dude ran to the other side of the room
but also died
to the 15 gunners
i can still try
All I see is the new map some area is open wide expose and many shooter in that area and far away even gunners
its 
on the plus side it makes sniping hella fun
first time i see ppl dying to gunners so much
I like making gunner skulls go boom with the bolt pistol
the opening area with the 8 million miles of ledge is insanity

theres a boss trigger right at the fkin start
altho i did say that the bolt pistol feels like it'll struggle with mass shooters
oh yeah BoN on the outer ledges is pretty cancer
Better get walking then
Yup
makes sense
my 2nd game on the new map, i decided to assail game but then the game crashed my ass
the boltpistol is the metaphorical child of the boltgun
BoN at beginning area near stair and ledge and horde if possible spawn
making it susceptible to america's apex predator
I feel like a plagryn/fleshbag would be WAY worse
I didn't actually have any problems with the beginning of gunners
BoN in the beginning is pretty funny though
the silent poxwalker
but its obv how some people have REALLY bad habits
like the yare not used to how narrow and long the map geometry is
I means if the gunners on high ground shooting down at us while chaff melee surrounding us; we fucked
and how good the sightlines enemy gunners get on this map
oops all ragers
so they do stuff which would normally be ok on another map but now it just kills htem in 10 seconds flat
Oops all gunners
you turn the wrong corridor and there's now 6 crushers in an 8 foot wide tube
My first run on the map, though, was without determined on a bolt pistol. The suppression was insane lmao
That fucking tube/tunnel leading up to the tram bro
Even gunner like 30-40 meter away still shooting at you
there's the moment where the gondola opens
gondola open is pretty fun
and then the elites literally walk through the walls
Bro
which did make me go ????
when a mauler walked through the wall
shortly before being shot dead
why were u joking before
the AI director two seconds before sending 500 gunners at you the instant you reach the gondola part
Maybe 25 meter to be correct but it feel like they shooting at us like Normandy mg42
the mid event has certain spawns where i just turn around
after my entire toughness bar is stripped
by 6 gunners across the room
it is very annoying
i will detonate the building you live in
the recon lasgun very comfy to run with head hunder infernus combo.
one poxwalkers smack to the behind and suddenly my toughness is halved
alr man
is the recon lasgun actually something to pursue now
Nah
or is it just the relentless torture of recon enjoyers ending
was it ever
Every time chaff melee just surprise butt sex.
Yup
It's just not Ius tier dogshit
because i looked at the buff
and went 'this just makes them still worse than autoguns'
7 is a pretty decent gun now imo
Man did the auto pistol still left in dust
6 still whelmed me
We forgotten the shredder now
terrible damage. terrible ammo economy
I love when you have a ranch side salad and the ranch gets into your pasta
the days of pressing w and holding m1
Hello MOOTIFIOS
AWAY
get OUT
Hello Joshington Boots
not in public
im running this and u can mag dump entire lines of enemies with executioner stance.
u can do that better with 7 since it cleaves hordes
I should be able to do the double shot w/ the hacker while sprinting, this is BS

okay but think about this
when you're out of ammo
and brace
and fire it
They said VId shoot like minigun
it forces you to stay braced for the duration of what is supposed to be the recoil
except nothing happens
because the gun isn't loaded
most intelligent veteran
What do you guys think of the new guns
Do you even vet
bolt pistol 
Yes!
It's fun, to me, at least.
the high rof just feels gud
yea
BSCHOW

Haven't consecrated the new mace or shotgun though
They are expensive for player didn’t grind plasteel
Yet to see hit's full potential.
How are the recon guns feeling
Better
Mark 7 got nice dmg boost
6 get higher rof
13 rps to 20 Rps
Is the crit string still nerfed?
Recon I swear used to be 3, nerfed to 2
Mmm
A while ago, before they messed with the damage profile of the weapon
The combat axe
One my old favorite blue head combat axe
When brutal momentum before rework it was nice I just swing kill and it cut through without need hitting weak spot
Hey anyone know what weapon is best to blitz through the adept assassin penance?
I used taxe 4 lmao
I usually just run in tier IV with the Vraks autorifle.
But I get hardly any per game.
2 still have the best ammo effiecieny no? but, 6 and 7 for me feel more fun...
Or is it just one of those, grind through it challenges?
I just pressed LMB with Taxe 4 and shred a lot
Working through it now I’ve got 232 out 250
Wait. I thought I read that they were removing the locks
And what did you realize?
Get a kill switch weapons and head for the gunners and flamers
with the rework -- so not now
Itemization is coming later this year.
hope there's still incentive to play with the rework
like something to chase or w/e
tbh i don't hate the current crafting system
one of the mods said that FS is cooking, and they're really really trying to deliver
Yeah saying that my friend who play Darktide uninstalled doesn’t like fs being over promised for 2 year with crafting didn’t change.
i had a stroke trying to comprehend that
Well, they better.
I understand development is a difficult thing but this hs been a LONG time coming.
At least they aren't Mojang. Lazy cunts.
🤨
Good roll
or is it
Old trick here we go
As I knew it
So sad to see.
just dont play until the update
nobody is holding you
Naw, I'm playing.
I'm not complaining, I like the game.
For the sake of their PR, they should, I mean.
"im not complaining"
they should, they better
yeah no shit
for the 199943436 time
no shit
is a poorly designed and overall shitty crafting system the only incentive you have to keep playing? jfc
I does like that
lower your expectations
Hoping for eventual chaos wastes that was so fun
How many Darktide player wished to make weapon gear get max stats roll?
Truly.
I heard they like Vermintide crafting transfer to Darktide crafting system
That’s their wish
Ok, not complaining as bad as some of the people here, lemme put it that way lmao
We human complain something we don’t like and we live inside it anyway. 😔
is paul usable again?
No clue
ive heard it feels better
Somewhat, yeah, but from the brief testing I’ve done, it’s nothing exemplary
didnt try it myself
Does the shock effect of the new maul actually do anything? I can’t tell
It’s not terrible anymore, I’ll give it that much
I'm annoyed by the crafting system but I am nowhere near the level of being turned away from the game.
Just like destiny 2
Destiny 2 players... I am not sorry for your loss, you play that game, play something better.
I tried leave the d2 but someone said someone who quit destiny eventually return to it.
Something as second chance
ive heard the last dlc for desteny is very good
Final shape ofc
im going on like almost 2 yars now...
no desier to go back
games fallen and peaked already
It's like watching a person addicted to smoking.
I quit when d2 made PvP 4 player p2p
So many grind an progress you made and we abandoned.
I being left behind in d2 when new expansion release gear score set new level and I start over.
Idk why I brought $10 lightfall
i mean i had my fun in the game when it became a second job and not a fun way to spend my time is when i stopped
does d2 still charge you per dungeon
My habit like treating video game like a job
There still dungeon key selling
Witch queen, lightfall
💀 bre what

im glad i got out before that shit
Ofc I won’t buy it because fuck that
Except I’m a hypocrite buying -75% coupon on warframe platinum
isent d2 also pay to win atm?
Well like stasis like strand, those don’t have latest subclass will complain about the player who brought the latest expansion are p2w
so yes it is pay to win lol
Because new subclass is prismatic aka mix and match your subclasses arc solar void strand stasis
All in one
arent the best exotics also loccked behind new dlcs?
I’m seeing my helper has prismatic and literally exploding and create orb of power a lot
Same old
Every dlc has one exotic
But bungie decide put exotic mission rotator in legend tab
So yeah you can replay vaulted exotic mission
LMFAO so you pay for the exotic but you ccan only try get it when its on rotation lol
Today we have whisper of the past, avold something for vexcalibur glaive weapon, and zero hour
No is free
Wait Wydm?
No it’s past exotic mission
Like old exotic mission removed but they put in rotator dunno when they reset
So like if you want get dead man tale just wait when exotic mission rotation show it up (obvious you can buy from XUR who now reside at the bazaar tower)
Seasonal exotic are limited edition and you still can get through exotic mission rotation for free.
I like to have strand exotic bow
And I would have to wait
Did i just hit jackpot ? 😄
Gambling pays ladies and gentlemen
Oh... so it was scam lottery ...
GAMBLING PAYS
Nice to see that fatshark still hasn't fixed silent trappers

Had one not make a single sound until it was in melee range and within LOS
Hoo boy, time for me to roll for some Double barrel shotty
Should I hate or adore hadron for giving me blaze away and gets hot on my good plasma gun
On one hand I wanted to make good rolls for plasma
On other hand I hoped it wouldn't go through because I don't like plasma
buff bolt pistol pls thanks ok 
Just use a full size one duh
but the pistol is cool
It's just too bad it's completely worthless because the shots stop at the first sign of resistance unlike the full size variant
What do you use the bolt pistol for
Why would I ever use it over either the boltgun or the revolver? Absolutely no reason
I need it to explode people in one shot reliably so I can use it instead of revolver because it’s cool. I’m tryna make it work rn on a swap build cause a gun build seemed worse than just using the bolter
Do you just shoot poxwalkers with it
Someone aggros the daemonhost, then leaves, it goes onto a bot, someone joins, and then it aggros on me
nice
Thank you fatshark
Mobility, handling
but hey the regular bolter does the same thing, and can also hit specials in crowds
same thing with the revolver
this is the only thing the bolt pistol does that's special, w o w
So you're telling me
It’s so cool tho
A high finesse gun
That prioritises single target weakspot damage
That has surgical and DA in it's pool
Is bad at CC
Idk if I would call shooting a mini rocket high finesse really but I get the spirit of what you’re saying
Darktide got update?
Both locke and bolt pistol are high finesse weapons unironically
You need to hit weakspot with them
Yeah wish it were as good at that as the revolver
Except Locke is slow as shit
Zarona is op stop comparing it
you wanna see a high finesse gun that prioritizes single target weakspot damage and has surgical in its pool and is good at CC?
It's obvious that zarona js better
Who in their clear mind uses Locke for CC
Why would I stop comparing it when I also want to whip it out and tap a head with it
Except zealots
Like that’s the prime contender for comparison
And revolver does the same thing without suppression, but also pierces through an entire horde or an entire line of gunners to 1tap the sniper or trapper you were aiming at
Zarona is OP everybody knows that
Ok and
And that makes the bolt pistol better how?
It's better than locke because it doesn't feel like shit to use
I was maining Locke previously and it HURTS to use it
The reload and the swap animation
Locke doesn’t feel like shit to use because it is effective at what it does
The Locke has shots that both pierce AND explode. They don't really do damage, but they stagger enemies so you can send an entire horde flying
You can swap quickly
Reload can be shortened as well
Or do you think that the 8-50 damage the pistol explosion does is worth losing out on being able to kill 8 guys in 1 shot?
Yeah the piercing is huge at actually tapping people
And for quick swapping the bolt pistol is just directly inferior to both the zarona AND the las pistol (which surprise, penetrates through enemies)
Fast swap with bolter
Laspistol when it meets carapace
Well
I think it's hard to argue boltpistol is better than laspistol
Laspis is a very very strong gun
Different roles imho
I would prob rank it top 5
Esp the 2nd mark
Idrc about boltpistol being better I just want it to be effective at quick precision killing given that it is a pistol
It does it's job well
I’m trying that rn actually no DA roll yet tho
DA makes the gun shine
Most ppl don't do the bolter tech too
For sure
Re-aiming to reset recoil?
No
It does its job well on Malice maybe
Yeah I know you can
I stand corrected
The only benefit the bolt pistol has over the bolter is that the reload is fast enough to maintain Relentless without reload speed talents
Fwiw I doubt more than a handful of ppl even in this channel do this
Because nobody uses bolter /j
It's not that hard but it's also not that well known
but you just need to grab Volley Adept and bam you can do it
Na
Sorry me dumb, what's happening in this clip?
I'm fast swapping a bolter
oh never mind you're completely right, you don't need it
No dumb slapping it's ass animation
It's still conditional tech so it doesn't really fit wep specialist playstyle though
I think I'm p good at it and I wouldn't even bother
how?
Have at least 1 round missing in your bolter before you swap off
When you swap back to it
Cancel swap animation with reload
Cancel reload animation with sprint
It's very practical tech
You don't really need tonthink about keeping 1 round empty cause you usually do anyway
My personal rule of thumb while comparing ranged weapons is to not compare the with The OP Trio
Since they're obviously superior choices
Does the bolt pistol have the same/similar stupid rack animation when drawn?
no it's very fast
No
Na you can play wep specialist with it
Frankly that is the best way to play it
dem
yeah wep spec works but it's just a bad weapon
Taxe 4 + BP viable fr
bad vs the pina I'd imagine
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIN revolver
sry best perks for agrippina/columnus? is flak+carapace good? :)
I'm a weapon specialist shotgun enjoyer
If u ignore zarona I think it has a niche
Shotgun wep special is a trap imo
Kinda meh
Comparing Bolt Pistol to Zarona is like comparing Locke to Plasma
Not that impressive for agri and the other two shotguns are just kinda bad for vet imo
I like it, you get piercing shots for easy special killing, if you run Kantrael you get massive suppression and it hits like a truck up close
U could just run a decent melee and also hit like a truck up close
Only downside is that you need to match it with an armor killing melee weapon like power sword if you want to stand your ground against crusher trains
WS even makes tactical axes work
And have a gun that works farther than 10m
To the point of outdamaging the zealots
Agri is the exception cause it can snipe with slug and even normal shots 1tap gunner up ton15m
Shotguns shoot across the map just fine, they have a minimum damage
I don't count needing tk shoot a gunner 2/3 times at 15m fine
Agri shotgun is like Bolt Pistol but awkward
On a gun with low ammo
No
Saying that as previously Agri shotty user
Agri can 1 shot a lot more reliably without needing to rely on crits
I think it's low key really strong
True
1shotting bursters is underrated too
It's held back by the fact that slug is a special
I use volley adept and tac reload
Make every Agri shot a slug and you get Zarona 2.0
To chain slugs fast

Also ads to cancel reload anim
The pump animation
Granted that's 2 pt tax on shitty reload talents but it is what it is
1 shot no slug
i think that's good enough
That's lawbringer right
agri
Agri
Lawbringer is blue
So idk what you are showing me that for
I said I think lawb and kant are bad on vet
I do know a class they're good on
You were talking about the slug shot
Something something on Z
That's without slug, just spam em down
Right
Can't put a finger on which
I said up to 15m normal shots can 1 tap gunner
Very reliably
If it's slug it's infinite range
Not just 15m
Anyway, Kant does require 3 shots but it's not bad at all because it has such high suppression values that you can kind of hip fire it in the general direction of gunners and hold W until you're in melee
Yeah that's what Zealots love
Yea I love the idea of spending multiple bullets to suppress the enemies so I can kill them with melee instead of just fucking shooting them
That's why I think they are not that good on vet

I run it with Agile Engagement and smoke grenades 
vet melee does a fuckton of damage, even more than zealot
so vet really does not need more help up close
also doesnt have fotf to close the distance instantly if you wanna play that way in the first place
i just think there is not much synergy
i mention agri as an exception just cause its basically a sniper rifle in disguise anyway
so it actually fits vet exceptionally well
Still gotta love how Veteran is a supposed Gun Guy and yet he gets one of the best melee's in the game
Cough
Pswords
But you still benefit from having massive up close stopping power to have an easier time triggering AE and wep spec on a quick swap
yeah but at that point why not just play agri
the special rounds on law and kant are really meh imo
obv im not even gonna compare it to certain other guns
And idk how hard it is to proc WA/AE with anything that isn't Ius autopistol
because agri has garbage suppression and doesn't get hard knockdowns
but even just within its own class (shotguns) i think they lack a meaningful niche
When talking about guns we forget OP trio exists
(without slug)
if ur shooting at close range i dont think suppression is very meaningful
it's more meaningful than you give it credit for
Nah
Suppression is bad
it prevents scattered shooters from gunning you down if you rush in
Unless you use shit like Recon 6d
suppression being trash is not a controversial statement
Why not just shoot the shooters
go into search
are we playing the same game?
i guess you enjoy being shot
no i just shoot them and they die
^
gunners are the most harmless elite enemy
u can literally just sprint away from them
and become bullet immune
it's not just gunners, regular shooters too
Thanks, if my monkey brain can handle it I'm gonna try this.
idk im not really up to argue about these hypotheticals but nobody really builds for or around suppression besides memes
i fanything
its annoying for a lot of guns
You don't have to suppress anyone if everyone is dead
you have a point if we're talking about using a weapon or build suited to doing it but right now we're in weapon specialist land
Yeah
Just shoot them
like charging in with a brauto is nice ig but it just annoys the shit out of me if im playing v7 and someone is suppressing everything
its not even strictly an upside
even on the new map where i think its hilarious ppl are dying to gunners bc of all the narrow pathways making good sightlines for gunners i dont see a need for suppression
nor felt one
Ok mister has never ever been shot ever
🤷♀️
Even CIAG has a ton of suppression by default to the point that just shooting a couple shooters in a cluster will suppress them
I think it's doing more for you than you think
Oh one more thing, it will knock reapers out of the firing cycle which makes Kantrael an excellent "disable this guy" tool
lol
suppressing reapers
is the most troll shit
actually
they cover their heads
Yeah well most people who play this are having trouble with Malice
i love taking 5 shots to kill them instead of 2
on v7
cause some yeehaw is running his terrifying barrage build
Yeah it's so troll when you're alone up close against a reaper, your ability is on cooldown and you have no cover and can't close in
why are you even in that situation in th e first place
Because I'm rushing in with my sword flailing like a madman
Bolt pistol fun c:
this sounds like a skill issue if u are finding yourself at midrange vs a reaper with no ability up getting shot at
i play melee vet and this is not a thing that happens to me
not in AM, not in HISTG
i don't care about it because i can just tap the reaper to stop him from killing me
who needs tactics when you have a well rounded build that can deal with any situation even after you get yourself in trouble
What’s the best melee option for Vet with a sweeping motion? Is there one?
are you asking
what is the best horde clear vet weapon
Power sword is your best bet
or specifically only ones with horizontal swings
MK3 power sword Heavy attacks are ONLY sweeping attacks
Preferably horizontal yeah
power sword probably
Thanks
But mk6 is better for general use
I mean sure if you're such a god gamer that you never make mistakes, never die and never fail a mission and solo clutch in AM every time you don't need to engage with such frivolous main mechanics like "suppression" and "stagger"
i would rate a rolled rashad as being the best horde option
but
it is not horizontal swings
its not about being a god gamer
its about "being stuck at midrange vs swarm of gunners with no way to get out" being a very easily avoidable situation
Yeah MK3 power sword is the best horde clear + horizontal sweeps
u literally get stamina back from getting shot by them, just sprint out lmao
You misunderstand, I choose not to avoid it because it's a non-threat
Due to literally only horizontal sweep heavy attacks
Not because I make the mistake of getting in it in the first place
CIAG is notorious for killing everything before suppression even kicks in
first u say its about being a god gamer and not making mistakes, now you say its not a mistake at all and you were doing it on purpose
idk anymore
its fine
run what you want lol
not like it really matters a whole lot
I play like every weapon, there's a lot of variety, there's not just one way to play and get all the orange numbers on the score screen
Darktide isn't exactly a hard game
Nobody here is perfect fym
Basic awareness and knowing what the dodge button does instantly makes you Heresy ready
I die to stray poxwalkers and that's shameful
I mean, if you don't have an answer to it it's a mistake, it's one of those things where you focus your character build on other things
And I confidently say Suppression is worthless
If you have a setup that can utilize suppression, it becomes a non issue
its a non issue in the first place, u can just shoot them instead of walking up to them for no reason
now
jesus christ 
if you want to say
you want to walk up to them
'for fun"
because its "your way of playing the game"
that is fine
and fair
It's not even a problem to walk up to them without suppression
but i was not talking about that
i was saying kant/law are relatively weak in comparison
to other options on vet
Just slide under them since shooters have object permanence of a frog
I play ilas because clicking heads is fun
Pls give agri revolver pierce...
honestly this argument keeps shifting into whatever the fuck idk even anymore, is it a mistake, is it not a mistake, is it about strength or just having variety in playstyles?
just run what you want idc anymore lol
My point was that Kant shotgun is actually good because it serves niches, unlike the bolt pistol
Bruh
Also speaking as an ilas fan I'd shoot you in the back of your head for suppressing enemies
It's not fun when my mg12 suddenly stops doing meaningful damage because crusher hid his head
Reaper
if u could suppress crusher/rager
Fucking ogryns
I've come to the conclusion I hate the powersword. It's energised attack is the tits ofc, but the normal feels so weak
suppression would actually be useful
Power cycler or its shit
Yeah that's the gimmick
too bad it only works on harmless trash only
you need power cycler
I miss when the base power sword had 3 energized attacks
no power cycler psword is probably
I have power cycler. Re-read what I said.
one of the worst melee options
Oh then idk
You know what works on maulers, ragers and crushers? Stagger. You know what has really powerful stagger? Kantrael shotgun.
Its one of the strongest melee options if you can get used to it
I've come to the conclusion I hate the powersword. It's energised attack is the tits ofc, but the normal feels so weak
idk I didn't see anything about cycler
well
that's fair anyway tho
try rashad
if you want powerful melee that doesnt need you to turn it back on every 5 seconds
Note: a GOOD rashad
Sure, I'm saying the unpowered attacks feel so weak. "Get power cycler lol" is not the answer. :p
Yes it is though
I'll second that, Rashad is sick if you don't like powering the thing up
Rolling for the Rashad:
on psword
They stagger still I occasionally use it to interrupt enemy attacks
ok in niche scenarios but they are useless for damage, at least
Indeed
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE STOPS CRUSHER AND RAGERS
Tactical Axe 4 special attack
don't say it
Therefore Taxe 4 is now meta
I dropped 2 million dockets and 30k plasteel for a bolt pistol
Give me 5 billion dollars
Yet I refuse to go for a rashad
Hey guys
Gals
HUH
14 specialists out of which 12 ragers
spawned infront of my very eyes
Not going well I see
True
They even buffed their attack speed
hello there
Oh true
I wonder if that's any good
I didn't even consider it at first lol
it seemed pretty nice to me
but i only tried it in psyk not real game cause i dont have a mk3 
in theory you can kill 4 rager in one charge though
maybe even 5 now with buff
bit late to the ask, and I could search but eh kark it
Recon changes? Sink or swim?
I am gonna use sink or swim in the future for yay or nay questions now
🫡
what if I generally tend to just float, face down?
I feel like that just drowning but sadder
like a 4.9/10 grade
Objectively better
Needs more armor pen as it got nerfed
Floats down?
Buffed Ammo too so its ammo gain should be buffed
Depends on the variant
Right
2 has the same ammo, others got buffed
I'm glad the recons got love, because I felt they weren't good enough.
My memory D:
Better than before but still mediocre, you want rending on all models now. Dps was supposedly normalized across the variants, as was adm's. However the 6d still has the worst ammo efficiency for no reason despite doing about the same dps.
Here's the numbers
i think 7
is actually pretty good
7a still has the cleave

