veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

I already try to avoid the 6d like the plague because I waste too much ammo trying to track enemies

[maiden pilot]

lucky me gahd damn

[wide pike]

Oh my gyat

[fleet garden]

hawk tuah

[maiden pilot]

apparently if your first blessing (blue) is trash you can influence the rng by replacing it with one that's good

[flat pebble]

you hate fun why do you hate fun

[flint lake]

The new shotgun feels great!

[wide pike]

It wasn’t that funny

[flint lake]

Stealth vet really comes into its own this patch

[umbral scaffold]

Technically the opposite is also true

[flat pebble]

you should replace it with one that you dont like so you can make sure it's not in the potential pool for the second blessing

and then replace it with one you like after you make it orange

[umbral scaffold]

If you got trash, your likelihood of getting something better is higher because it removes one trash from the pool

[midnight totem]

Boltgun really should get a 105 reserve

[flat pebble]

you are difficult to get along with

[midnight totem]

That's 7 magazines

[umbral scaffold]

Weapon specialist with the new shotty is fucking bonkers

[wide pike]

Sorry

[umbral scaffold]

I'm just going wild on the CQC

[wide pike]

You’re difficult to please

[midnight totem]

Which dumbass vet is carrying a partially loaded magazine to reload from

[wide pike]

😎

[midnight totem]

Oh wait. I guess it's all of us

[umbral scaffold]

But hear me out on this one

[wide pike]

All ears

[umbral scaffold]

What if MF stacks increased accuracy

[wide pike]

[umbral scaffold]

15 stacks and exec stance for laser beam recon hipfire

[fleet garden]

VOC GANG RISE UP

[umbral scaffold]

tbh I really like the idea of a recon-only build atm

what out of the 3 las recons should i craft and start with

You can trigger reciprocity to make the gun more ammo-efficient, but it requires close range

[fleet garden]

6d is spammy

ima try the mk2 now

[umbral scaffold]

The gun itself has an annoying spread past a certain point, so you have some encouragement to stick to closer ranges

[fleet garden]

I just vacuum up all the ammo, dont @ me

[winter grove]

What do y'all think if the new mauls?

[umbral scaffold]

The gun behaves a fair bit like a better shredder now

[winter grove]

@fleet garden

[wide pike]

I can’t keep using this image

But it’s so good

[somber axle]

Mk II is a nice middle ground between the slow fire rate of the Mk VIIa and the insanely fast fire rate of the Mk VId. It's like the Mg1a of Recons now. A solid all arounder. I'd recommend trying it. The Mk VIIa uses 2 ammo per shot. The Mk VId uses 1 ammo per shot at a crazy fire rate. The Mk II uses 1 ammo per shot at a slower fire rate than the Mk VId.

[umbral scaffold]

With shock trooper you're basically looking at a primary weapon for the whole game and still engaging enough to not sit all the way on the back playing point and click

[umbral scaffold]

Might be worth a shot

Could even be the most ammo-efficient, considering both fastest and slowest have the same crit string now

So I have to assume mk2 also has 2 crits per string

[somber axle]

It's definitely the right time to toy with a Recon Mk II. They're actually pretty solid weapons now

[winter grove]

I still expect Recon mk2 to underperform

It was legit worst non-ogryn gun

[flat pebble]

autopistol is right there

[umbral scaffold]

It sure tried to compete with the shredder at the bottom of the barrel

[somber axle]

All Recons have 2 crits per crit string and both crits are free shots when you use Shock Trooper. This makes the VIIa technically the best gun for Shock Trooper value because a crit string isn't saving you 2 ammo spent on 2 shots, it saves you 4 ammo for those 2 shots

[winter grove]

Autopistol at least could refill your toughness on demand

At cost of using the entire mag

Recon mk2 couldn't even do that

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk VId and Recon Mk II get less value from Shock Trooper and I'd still say it is worth taking Shock Trooper and Headhunter on any Recon even if you ignore Deadshot

[somber axle]

You don't read patch notes do you?

Recons got substantial buffs to damage and ADM vs Maniac

They leave Shredder Autopistols in the dust post-Secret of the Machine God

Try the weapons and feel the buffs

[flat pebble]

it's possible they were speaking past tense because they knew it got buffed

[somber axle]

Or don't and just use Boltpistol/Double Barrel Shotgun

Either way the Recons are better now

[umbral scaffold]

Here's hoping

[somber axle]

Ooo that's a good start

[winter grove]

I was talking pre-secrets of the machine god

[somber axle]

Collateral is a dump stat

[somber axle]

When you say still expect...

[umbral scaffold]

I'll take the L on dumdum

Primary weapon gaming

[winter grove]

That means I still expect recon mk2 to underperform

[umbral scaffold]

I won't block, I'll just turn around and sprint away

[winter grove]

Because brown and blue variants are right there

[umbral scaffold]

If I get hit, it's because the Emperor willed it

[somber axle]

No Dum Dum or Infernus is sadness but at least you got Headhunter! Flak probably still provides good value too especially since the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa got nerfs to ADM vs Flak/Unyielding at whatever is defined as "Near" range

Keep distance from Maulers/Flak Ragers before firing for best results

At more distant ranges the ADM is still the same as before

[somber axle]

Prepare to be pleasantly surprised

I would be shocked if someone could make a Shredder Autopistol outperform a Recon in competent hands

[thin stone]

Hello shooty vet bois

[winter grove]

I shit you not they didn't localise the blessings for shock mauls yet

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, I'm taking flak because they felt fitting to nerf it for some reason

Also fuck mauler bodyshots

[thin stone]

sus

[winter grove]

There's the thing I wanna know

Indignatus is the good shock maul right?

[thin stone]

man something is wrong, I am still not red and I've been here for a while

[hidden badge]

+15% cyka blyat gopnik power

[thin stone]

russian intensifies

[hidden badge]

blasts hardbass in Lada

gets in accident drunk driving and records it all with my dashcam

[somber axle]

I haven't touched the shock mauls, pickaxes or double barrel shotgun yet so idk

I had only enough time this morning for 2 Darktide matches and I used both for toying with the Boltpistol

[umbral scaffold]

damn

double barrel feels good

[somber axle]

Very understandable. Make sure to get Rending Strikes down the bottom middle tree above Focus Target to alleviate that poor ADM

[umbral scaffold]

I got it on MF

I'm a menace

[atomic zephyr]

I did not like the shotgun, felt helpless if anything was beyond spitting distance

maybe better for zealot

[umbral scaffold]

i played infiltrate vet

[atomic zephyr]

I’ll have to give that a shot

cause it’s barely useable on shout vet

[midnight totem]

Weapon specialist auto reload is, pretty damn good for the double barrel

[umbral scaffold]

the agile engagement and weapon specialist makes it useful

i like using skirmisher

but damn

that skill needs to be adjusted

[midnight totem]

That being said, I haven't built a good one yet

[umbral scaffold]

it falls off all at once and stacks too slow

[midnight totem]

Still playing with my bolt pistol

The recoil on the bolt pistol hurts

[somber axle]

Ooo Skirmisher + Run n Gun on Double Barrel Shotgun...

[umbral scaffold]

i have been using it

[gilded wraith]

Is the speed aura bugged?

[umbral scaffold]

my complaints are that the ads removes run n gun

[midnight totem]

Yeah because that's not hip fire

[umbral scaffold]

kms

Skirmisher, is like

The thing I'd love in theory, but awful in practice

real

i was checking if they touched it this patch

but nah

It just doesn't stack right, and I'm one of those people doing mad dashes from enemy to enemy with knife heavies

The delay between the start of the sprint and the first tick is too long

needs gradual fall off

that's it

[somber axle]

I want to try the Double Barrel Shotgun with Run n Gun + Both Barrels for funny Doom gameplay

[umbral scaffold]

If I sprint from elite to elite in a crowd, skirmisher falls off because I don't get time to sprint enough

[midnight totem]

It's pretty much worse then the momentum zealots keystone Iin every single way and then some

[umbral scaffold]

got that today

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doom-shotgun-gif-20891501

[somber axle]

Yeah like that

Unfortunately I spent a lot of dockets getting every single rank IV blessing for boltpistol

And most of the rank IIIs

[umbral scaffold]

i put maniac and flak

those good perks?

or would something else go harder

[somber axle]

I have no idea

I haven't played with them yet to experiment at all in the Psykanium for breakpoints

[flat pebble]

safe bet? Yea

but you’d wanna confirm that yourself with your roll in the meat grinder

[umbral scaffold]

I put reload speed on it, and just realized I reload on kills or just use both barrels

what does both barrels mean?

the brace double shot

[flat pebble]

right click plus left click shoots both barrels at once

yes

[umbral scaffold]

ah

i mean

that aint bad

[left crag]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[umbral scaffold]

weapon specialist makes the regular reload not as sufferable

[left crag]

double shot

[umbral scaffold]

just wish run n gun had reload while sprinting, either that or skirmisher

losing stacked up skirmisher due to reload is saddening

[midnight totem]

When I build a double barrel, I'll have to apologize to my teammates

Because after every double shot elite kill, I'm obligated to yell GROOVY

[full nacelle]

anyone what blessings are good for the new shotgun?

[umbral scaffold]

The 24-year-old groover

AAAAA I'M GROOOOVIIIING

[fleet garden]

giga music in the new map

so how are you liking the shock mauls, to me they feel kinda mid

[flat crypt]

only tried the agni version so far (because low on plasteel) but i like it, feels like a solid all-rounder. Easy horde clear combo, good stagger and H1 is a nice strikedown. Blessings also look interesting.

Reminds me of Kruber's mace in V2 but better, packs more punch.

[umbral scaffold]

I think I forgot how to play other melee weapons besides the knife

[winter grove]

Oh the misery

[mortal hound]

got this as vet on the new mission (screenshot taken from my friend)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454841425088217099/1255313894419726347/image.png?ex=667cadab&is=667b5c2b&hm=0742c1314b3fdce8df79d6e06489e9d528aa829f3426c2dce0cd7e79a32cd33e&

has anyone put the bolt pistol to good use? I feel like its just a worse version of the regular pistol

but it looks so cool I want to get it to work lmao

[fresh mango]

is this salvageable?

[delicate moat]

the new map has a door u can get stuck on lmao

[umbral scaffold]

I don't think I really vibe with any recon besides the 7a

[delicate moat]

help am door stuck

[umbral scaffold]

I keep changing targets too early and leaving shit alive

[cinder zephyr]

ok are any other vets feeling extremely squishy as of late?

[winter grove]

this?

[somber axle]

Yes. Swap Infested to Flak, swap Hit and Run to Headhunter

You could do Carapace instead of Flak if you want to follow in a clown's footsteps and do this:

[flat crypt]

It really seems to like headshots. Tested it with DD psyker and it feels good. Need to farm some plasteel to roll a good one for vet and play around with MF

[last parcel]

gonna take deadly accurate and never headshot

[winter grove]

god damn

[winter grove]

So real for that

[somber axle]

And only 10 ammo spent too. Before the update I could kill a Crusher in as little as 5 ammo but the DPS/TTK was worse. After buffs it does significantly more damage and melts them much faster

I think I need to adjust to the new rate of fire before I can get the ammo cost down again

[fresh mango]

Alright ill start hunting for headhunter

is 3 good enough?

[somber axle]

Yeah Headhunter 3 will be ok

You can change it to Headhunter IV later whenever you get the tier IV blessing

[fresh mango]

oh yeah duh

[flat crypt]

i've had some desync (maybe?) problems. Had like 2/3 toughness left and full health and the next thing you know you're on the floor and there are only a couple of groaners next to you laughing their asses off

[opal raptor]

Can I ask how does this work?

[somber axle]

Dum Dum is more DPS at close ranges, Infernus is more DPS at long ranges. The difference isn't too crazy though. I think Dum Dum does around 300 more DPS when around 8m but Infernus ends up being around 200-ish DPS more if firing from very long ranges. Dum Dum will be more generally useful but Infernus isn't bad to have

[umbral scaffold]

It doesn't, that's why it's like that

[fresh mango]

visual bug atm, gonna be fixed next hotfix

[somber axle]

It doesn't. That's a bug after the update

[opal raptor]

right thanks

[last parcel]

hehe antax nose boop

[flint lake]

Rager Killer

[delicate moat]

i got stuck on both, once on the fence gate and this on the rejoin

[plush glen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1doq2aw/warning_veterans_close_and_kill_crash_issue/

so close and kill cuases crashes spent hours figure out what was the issue.

[woeful ibex]

I wish we got swaggers balaclava and hood

[fresh mango]

so, real quick, any build recommendations for recon lasgun?

[cyan vale]

best rolls i got so far

[umbral scaffold]

Huh, I'm playing close and kill most matches and didn't crash because of that yet

[wraith flare]

Well, I’d recommend not using it for starters

Sadly

[rigid pilot]

Why not?

They got buffed pre good

[somber axle]

Ok yeah I can still kill Crushers in 5 ammo spent

The timing is just funny because if you blink you'll spend extra ammo you didn't need to LOL

[wraith flare]

With what

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId

[wraith flare]

The fast firing recon?

Huh

[somber axle]

My original test taking the Recon Mk VId against a Crusher did 3600 DPS (the cap for the game since Crushers only have 3600 HP and the game doesn't calculate DPS beyond a target's Max HP in 1 sec) and did it in 10 ammo spent

I tested again and did it with the same DPS but with 5 ammo spent instead

Just like before the patch it has a big variance in ammo spent depending on crit strings

here's the original test I recorded this morning

[rigid pilot]

Recon is weak

The buff didn't even touch 6d's damage

Just fire rate a little

[somber axle]

The trick is that the Mk VId was already leading the Recons on damage output because of the synergy with Onslaught

The other Recons (as well as most guns tbh) can't make proper use of Onslaught stacking

[crimson bloom]

This has been ole faithful for god knows how long https://i.imgur.com/Vo9smC4.jpeg

[somber axle]

A solid roll

[crimson bloom]

I've had it since maybe first few months of launch

LOL

Speaking of rolls...

https://i.imgur.com/2NBHpiR.jpeg I was only wondering how this fairs

Just full sent it through the shitter

[somber axle]

I think the tricky part about the Recon Mk VId is that the spread on hip-fire is now much more wild

So alternating into hip fire for long range tracking is going to be near impossible now

[crimson bloom]

They upped the fire rate on the thing massively

The crits on it are insane

It has always critted every 3 rounds

If I crit it will do it in a burst of crits rather then just one

Which is quite neat, I beleive it still works like that anyway

[somber axle]

The funny part is that the Recon Mk VId restores 9 ammo back on special/elite kill with Survivalist Aura so as silly as this sounds it is actually possible and very likely to go ammo positive killing most specials/elites in the game

[crimson bloom]

Oh yeah I used to run rend and brittle on it in the past

Shit mopped the floor with monstrisites

@somber axle Have you used the bolt pistol at all yet?

That roll I posted above what blessing are you looking for on the thing

[cyan vale]

Is that Lethal proximity blessing just meant for stagger?

[somber axle]

I got to play 2 matches with it this morning and I felt like it performed very well

I think there are two ways Boltpistol meta could go

Deadly Accurate + Surgical

OR

Lethal Proximity + Execution

[brave verge]

[somber axle]

Gloryhunter is also fantastic on the Boltpistol for how crazy your sustain becomes but tbh it doesn't have any synergy with any of the other blessings

[real sorrel]

damn boltpistol with longshot (+20% dmg at range) makes it feel WAY better than the base version

[brave verge]

I know its shit. Should I swap gloryhunter to surgical 2 or weakspot to carapace?

[somber axle]

I want to make a medic build with the Boltpistol

[real sorrel]

swap gloryhunter imo, you wanna hit weakspots anyways. but i dont know the breakpoints so i might be wrongh

[twin ingot]

I always go for crucian roulette and hand cannon on the stub

[brave verge]

dont have that one, unfortunately

[twin ingot]

[brave verge]

got a green shit roll to upgrade to blue so I can try to fish for it

I took a big break so I don't have most blessings

[twin ingot]

a good substitite is surgical

[brave verge]

yeah I have surgical 2

the perks rolled really garbage

[real sorrel]

yeah tbh just get a better revolver when you can cause id change off infected etc anyways but surgical is the best pick for rn

[brave verge]

and the hand cannon was a salvo blessing

all around bad rolls but its also my only one atm

doing well enough as I chill in heresy

damnation probably needs an actuall good roll

[real sorrel]

as long as you are fully comfy you can run anything in damnation

[fleet garden]

I ran auric with a shitty blue double shotty

just to try it, was so so but I did it

[real sorrel]

sure you can always OPTIMISE but, the base weapon is the thing you need to be comfy using, everything else is a bonus

[fleet garden]

but with accatrans, 6d feels ok after patch, mk 2 feels better imo, even my shitty rolled one

[twin ingot]

I have this manthing of a revolver kills crushers like butter

[brave verge]

more that it feels too hard to deal with crusher packs without a good answer

[brave verge]

this felt ok

[real sorrel]

work on dodging their overheads and you'll be able to load a round or two when you ahve spare time from weapon dancing etc

[brave verge]

did feel pretty reliant on executioners stance to deal damage to tankier elites

but with the mag size you can shoot for a long while

[fleet garden]

this is mine, I swap dum dum to infernus sometimes, feels better tbh since it stacks so fast now

[real sorrel]

oh dumdum stacks now?

[fleet garden]

but im playing voc, not exe

[real sorrel]

f

[fleet garden]

rending strikes, onslaught, no schocktrooper

dont know if onslaught is that good for mk 2 though

[twin ingot]

man I'm disappointed how the new mauls have bad heavy crowd control move sets, one has a good sweep and then goes to permanent overheads and the other one has a bad diagonal horde clearer move

[fleet garden]

might just dump onslaught and go for shocktrooper

[brave verge]

got this one in my pocket

kinda scared to upgrade it tho

[fleet garden]

go buy some mk2 or 7

[twin ingot]

spent like 500k on getting this headache

[real sorrel]

yeah i feel that, atleast the special > h1 is dope

[brave verge]

how are the mauls? in the videos I saw they kinda just looked like combat axes that took more hits to kill

[twin ingot]

single target focused

[brave verge]

rip

[twin ingot]

some have horde sweeps but bad ones

[terse idol]

Just do push attack, the heavy then light then heavy

[twin ingot]

[terse idol]

All horizontals

[real sorrel]

boltpistol blessing, can this roll on boltgun now as well?

[rigid pilot]

Yea just do heavy light loop it's all horizontal

[topaz lance]

nyet

[terse idol]

I will say I do like the new sounds

Boltgun sounds diifferent

And grenadier grenade ticking faster is sweet

[topaz lance]

Oh I didn't try the boltgun since the update. Does it sound similar to the pistol?

[real sorrel]

aw new weapons have no cosmetics yet either

[woeful ibex]

its great vs hordes

[fresh mango]

got a great roll, please

[somber axle]

Ok I see why some people might not like Boltpistol

I tried Boltpistol with Voice of Command and it's pretty awkward LMFAO

[rigid pilot]

It's the perfect run and gun gun

Very accurate hipfire

[fresh mango]

I personally really enjoy bolt pistol

[somber axle]

It's a nice thought thinking to run Gloryhunter and Born Leader + the usual talent set up for Boltpistol to restore lots of toughness

[rigid pilot]

Glory hunter blegh

[somber axle]

but without Exe Stance + Focus Target and Redirect Fire it ends up feeling piddly

[rigid pilot]

It needs 2 shots to kill most things

[somber axle]

Voice of Command Vets stay losing

[rigid pilot]

Unless you buff your damage up yea

[somber axle]

It feels really nice with Exe Stance but really weak without

[stiff glacier]

Commando vet 4win

[manic cloak]

Try point blank + deadly accurate with weapon specialist

Better crit sustainability than surgical + deadly accurate, and the crits push you into one hit breakpoints for more specalists and elites.

[somber axle]

I might try it tomorrow

Wow the quickplay squads are awful tonight

I've had two matches having to solo clutch hardcore and carry people

A lot of returning players are throwing themselves right into Aurics with the new weapons and eating shit LMFAO

I just got off work, I'm tired

[manic cloak]

I had people in blues queing unironically into auric damn maelstroms tonight and then raging when they died.

[somber axle]

I don't want to deal with the midnight creatures in queue

[somber axle]

It's the nature of a new update. People spend months away from the game then don't practice at all before throwing themselves back into the content they think they can still do

We had the same problem with the Path of Redemption update

Returning players too prideful to turn down the difficulty while they shake off the rust

[manic cloak]

Atleast put in the effort to upgrade your trash blues into golds so it's less suss in the lobby.

More wounds stacking than I see in Malice runs too

Gotta love it

[somber axle]

At least Dawntrail releases for FF14 soon

I can dodge the returning players making quickplay extra sweaty by being gone for a month LOL

[manic cloak]

Ew

[somber axle]

I am a clown of many tastes

I play many games with my friends but none of them play Darktide anymore

[manic cloak]

who needs friends when you can work a job carrying randoms?

[hidden badge]

Yep. It is pretty good with infil

[manic cloak]

I run it with VoC but I bet infil is good too

53% crit without having to aim down sites is nice.

Snapshot, switch back to melee, rinse repeat.

[hidden badge]

I'm running it with execute and the bleed 4 blessing with a bleed knife and bleed nades so that's kinda fun lol

[manic cloak]

Bleed didn't stack fast enough and conseuctive shots with the bolpistol is an unreliable mess.

And this is coming from a Bolter main

Cool for the theme though Im sure

[hidden badge]

Yeah I think it only works for me right now with this infil build and running the knife too

I mostly hip fire it, but once there's a better sight (once the weapon mod gets updated again) it'll be better for headshots across the map too, but the stock sight is pretty booty

[manic cloak]

Yeah I hipfire at least 75% of the time

Otherwise you might as well run another secondary if you are going to backline with picks

I found surgical to be trash

[hidden badge]

Still has yet to beat out revolver for me, but I may prefer it with my zealot honestly

[manic cloak]

The weapon sways too much and is heavily effected by supression

[hidden badge]

Agreed

[manic cloak]

Revolver is S tier, so I wouldn't compare it

Same with comparing anything to the plasma at the moment

[hidden badge]

Yeah true

Plasma gun is probably god tier and revolver is S tier

[manic cloak]

Auric damn viable without dragging down the team, which is all that really matters in a PvE game.

[livid monolith]

probably better to compare against the laspistol

[somber axle]

Just get Determined

Easy fix

[hidden badge]

Yeah the bolter is ok for maelstroms with that infil build, but yeah you may wanna run a stealth zealot with that thing

[manic cloak]

Nah I prefer things like field improv than trying to make a trash short range weapon bend to long range gameplay

[hidden badge]

It works fine in stealth, but yeah

The stock sights are pretty ass

[somber axle]

Play how you want but you're complaining about something that literally has a fix

[manic cloak]

There's only one spare talent point if you run weapons specialist with it.

Field improv provides far more to a team than supression immunity if you are running something like boltpistol

[topaz lance]

Deadshot fixes a lot of the handling issues of the bolt pistol.
I like exe stance + weapons specialist, haven't totally figured out which toughness regen talents I like most with it.

Also, I really want to use any talent that speeds up reloading with it.

[stuck steeple]

What's the verdict on the double barrel so far? Does it feel as great as I hope it does, or is it a niche pick? 😮

[odd sparrow]

Close range damage on it seems insane, i think its propably pretty good with the reload on double barrel kill talent

[oblique horizon]

Its very fun with weapon specialist and the node that gives you ammo in chamber on switch. But again niche pick

[odd sparrow]

Its also got pretty good cleave

[oblique horizon]

Basically you go full doom and Kill in melee-switch-shoot-switch-kill in melee-switch-shoot infinitely

[odd sparrow]

Main downside is super low range

[merry glade]

i'm cooking with the double shotty rn. so far it's feeling better just doing one barrel at a time (and two as necessary)
haven't gotten a really good rolled one yet but this is what i'm working with rn

[somber axle]

Field Improv is very valuable yeah. But I'm curious what your tree looks like that you can't spare that single talent point

the difference between having suppression immunity and not having suppression immunity is night and day

[dusky raven]

bro fuck off

[somber axle]

like

I threw this together just sorta halfassing a build for Weapon Specialist Boltpistol

and it has 2 points to spend anywhere I want

it includes grenade regen and tbh you could even swap demo team for demo stockpile if you have a preference for the 1 min nade regen

this is using Kraks so I went Infil route for cheaper Grenadier because having 3 total Kraks feels like a major quality of life increase for that grenade route

but if you're a Vet who prefers VoC you can easily save points ignoring Grenadier, Infiltrate and Low Profile and save a point going straight down middle path

idk what you're doing in your talent tree to be so starved for points

Determined is very affordable no matter how I slice it

Are you zig zagging from Shredder Nade to Close and Kill Aura or something?

[manic cloak]

Shredder nades. I find kracks useless.

[somber axle]

is Bring It Down helping you on a breakpoint

I don't tend to grab it unless it will help on Crushers/Bulwarks/Reapers for lowering shots per kill on them

[manic cloak]

I like the +25 toughness you get along the way, but I haven't tested enough to see if it effects the boltpistol.

[somber axle]

Unfortunate that you dislike Kraks tbh because they're fantastic anti-boss tools and very good at killing clusters of Crushers/Bulwarks clipping into each other

[manic cloak]

Normally running Rashad and so it's good for the monstrosity modifier in maelstroms, and also takes care of the carapace targets.

[somber axle]

But yeah if Bring It Down isn't helping on any breakpoints it's a wasted point

If it's not lowering your number of strikes for your melee weapon vs Crushers/Bulwarks/Reapers and it's not lowering shots to kill on them either

It's just a wasted talent point

[manic cloak]

It is for melee atm

[somber axle]

What melee are you running with Boltpistol?

[manic cloak]

Rashad

It brings you in two shot heavy for crushers

[somber axle]

I see why you're so deep into Weapon Specialist. Rashad swing speed feels like ass without Trench Fighter Drill +10% melee attack speed and the extra +15% melee attack speed from Melee Specialist

[manic cloak]

Yep. Also did a few with the mk IV chainsword, but haven't played with the talent/breakpoints for that pairing yet.

[somber axle]

The two shot for Crushers makes Bring It Down worth though

[manic cloak]

That weapon also feeds really well into weapons specialist

Might be worthy to run the kraks with it though.

So as you can see with that setup, you really one do have one spare talent point to meet build mins. Right now I have it in field improve because that seems to be the best bang for the buck over determined.

[somber axle]

Tbh I'm surprised you value Field Improv so heavily. Most Vets tend to ignore it. The corruption heal is nice and the grenade regen is very valuable but most times neither one really swings matches in my experience and the quality of life increase on suppression immunity is just too good to pass up on the Boltpistol

I guess the extra grenades can be very clutch if you have an Ogryn running frags

[manic cloak]

I run the supression immunity when I run the bolter over field improv

I don't find the bolt pistols strength to be ranged anyway with the sway and multi-shot inconsistency + long reset time

So I might as well close in and commit anyways.

I play the Rashad + Bolt pistol a lot like the knife + revolver builds.

Normally snap shotting hip fire while clearing the hordes

Which is why I think deadly accurate + point blank is money for that playstyle.

[somber axle]

The sights are slightly angled to make the shots feel weird for aiming but I think that just takes time to get used to

[manic cloak]

Yeah looks like they tried to mirror the cant of the laspistol, but the sight is horrendous.

[somber axle]

I'm also more spoiled on my Boltpistol build because I run Exe Stance/Determined/Deadshot so the weapon has reduced recoil, reduced sway, suppression immunity and hits breakpoints easier down range

Less team support and survivability compared to Voice of Command but I tend to avoid using that ability unless I'm running a Medic build

[manic cloak]

Haven't tried it with exe stance though, which definitely changes the talent setup

[somber axle]

It saves points for you if you're going down Shredder/Survivalist Aura

[manic cloak]

It's hard to not play VoC with pugs without suffering imho.

[somber axle]

I like the suffering tbh but that's very fair

[manic cloak]

Just started playing in March and hit 4700 penance points, so I might try some less carry centric setups just for the hell of it.

[somber axle]

Here's what I've been using for Boltpistol and it has worked pretty well

This leaves you with 2 points to spend how you like

I tend to grab Demo Team and Longshot

[manic cloak]

Yeah that's a hard commit to your secondary. Which primary is carrying you?

[somber axle]

but you could get Demo Stockpile with the 2 points instead

[bitter turtle]

imo

boltpistol should run wep specialist

[somber axle]

I use Chainsword Mk XIIIg for horde clearing and use my Boltpistol for wiping Crushers

[bitter turtle]

there's no competition

[manic cloak]

That's a similar build to what I run with when I go lasrifle

[somber axle]

I love my Chainsword

[manic cloak]

How many shots to kill a crusher with that setup?

[somber axle]

I can record it real quick to share

one sec while I enter the Psykanium

[manic cloak]

That's been my logical conclusion today as well.

[wraith flare]

2x suppression immunity tho

[somber axle]

wdym 2x suppression immunity

[bitter turtle]

exec and determined

[somber axle]

Exe Stance doesn't give suppression immunity and Deadshot doesn't either

[bitter turtle]

prob

[somber axle]

Exe Stance reduces spread and recoil
Deadshot reduces sway
together it can feel like suppression immunity with the greater weapon control/handling they provide

but it's not suppression immunity

[frank basin]

Hey that’s my set up on my vet rn.

[somber axle]

I ran it this morning to see how it would feel without suppression immunity

[frank basin]

Except my boltpistol is placeholder has reload speed and flak, glory hunter/lethal proximity

[manic cloak]

Lol it's a rough life out there trying to get long range picks without it.

[somber axle]

You can do it in 2 shots with crits! It becomes 3 shots if you do it with 0 crits. Surgical/Deadly Accurate and Carapace perk push it into 2HKO range. Sharing the video now:

ok wait

[bitter turtle]

🤔

[somber axle]

failed to embed LMFAO

[topaz lance]

Which blessings do you have on the pistol?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/c2121b7a75dad0444ef400aa9409c94b.png

[bitter turtle]

idk i only play infiltrate like 90% of the time so im just saying

if that's true you should tell path

[manic cloak]

I think this is old, no?

[somber axle]

The breakpoint is really easy to hit for 2HKO too

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[somber axle]

You just need 1 crit

[bitter turtle]

did they nerf exec this patch or something>

[wraith flare]

Idk I’ve always felt like it gives suppression immunity

[bitter turtle]

that would be funny

[manic cloak]

Oh this is very nice.

[somber axle]

The hidden bonuses of Exe Stance continue to amaze me LOL

[wraith flare]

Never felt suppression while using it atleast

[bitter turtle]

yeah that was the impression i got from ppl that used it

again im linking his notes on it bc i dont use it

[manic cloak]

I'm assuming since the boltpistol and bolter have the same exact damage table, you could do the same with both?

[white minnow]

it do give suppression immunity from what this says

this is Determined, for reference,

[lime saddle]

guessing this is a common bug? saw another friend had it as well

[bitter turtle]

its visual

[somber axle]

That's wild. I learn something new every day. You might be able to skip Determined if you're good at maintaining Exe Stance uptime then, or if you pop it when you're under fire to avoid the suppression

[bitter turtle]

dont get excited

[manic cloak]

Yep, I've seen a few posts like this for this weapon since the patch.

[somber axle]

I could save the talent point on my Boltpistol build...

[lime saddle]

right right

ya know, the new mace is pretty nice

takes a bit of time to get used to the movset but ones you know it can do pretty much everything

[manic cloak]

Isn't the new mace just a Rashad with more steps? Prove me wrong.

[bitter turtle]

i heard the boss dmg is really bad but it kills everything else

[white minnow]

(brutal momentum)

[topaz lance]

I just wanted to ask how it compares to the Rashad axe

[wraith flare]

U should have exe up whenever u need to avoid suppression anyways

[bitter turtle]

me no tried it yet though

[manic cloak]

The other mace has a more similar moveset to the Rashad. the Ia, I believe?

[bitter turtle]

too busy getting aborted

[white minnow]

to me, it's a 1h crusher but w/ a different special

[lime saddle]

the stun is pretty nice

and it got some cool new blessings

[old quail]

the indignatus has an identical heavy chain to the achlys caxe

[frank basin]

Falter and skull crusher

[manic cloak]

They are cool but seem a bit... gimmicky?

[somber axle]

OH ALSO

[topaz lance]

damage against electrocuted -> does that work with the stun nades?

[somber axle]

You can 2HKO Crushers even without Focus Target or Redirect Target

[manic cloak]

I hate focus target.

[somber axle]

I kinda want to try this with Marksman's Focus now just to see how it'd perform

[old quail]

electrocuted is a shock maul specific debuff applied when you hit with enough stagger force

i would imagine it doesn't

[lime saddle]

they are leaning pretty heavily into the stun mechanic, but i think thats nice, makes the weapon feel a bit more unique

[topaz lance]

Kinda lame i it doesn't, it seems like a missed opportunity.

[manic cloak]

They really need to understand their own damage math though. Great concept, but it just doesn't compete with consistency +%power modifiers that have nearly a 100% uptime.

[somber axle]

Do you also hate Marksman's Focus?

[manic cloak]

I don't prefer to crabwalk or stutter step, lol.

Only keystone I mess with is weapons specialist atm.

I think I still have Focus Target on my mk XII lasgun setup, and that's it.

[topaz lance]

You really don't need to do that with Marksman's Focus. It's very lenient.

[manic cloak]

That's presuming you are using your secondary for the majority of the time, no?

I normally don't find windows in auric dams where I have the opportunity to conistently do that.

[somber axle]

That's fair. Everyone has their own playstyle. I love Focus Target + Target Down for the amazing squad-wide support for restoring 5% toughness and 5% stam to me and all allies in coherency. Helps for general survivability, helps for maintaining stamina for Deadshot and helps my team keep their toughness/stamina high during engagements

[bitter turtle]

its for builds hwere you shoot more than you stab

there are guns hwere my range dmg is higher than melee at the end on scoreboard

you have free movement as long as you headshot

[manic cloak]

Show me where those teammates are in random queue that clear hordes effectively to enable that, lol.

[bitter turtle]

what i say is implying that the gun itself can be shot at hordes without running dry

obv MF revolver is not going to work very well

[manic cloak]

Lasguns are the only secondaries I have really tried to do it, mostly because ammo economy is not nearly as bad.

[somber axle]

I've had the rare squad that has very solid horde clear to keep hordes off me so I can focus more on special/elite hunting

[bitter turtle]

iag/laspistol/lasgun/headhunters can all shoot a lot without going ammo negative and encourage headshots

[somber axle]

Usually Purgatus Psykers, Void Staff + Smike Psykers, or Zealots who play as a Guardian Angel to the group instead of running off solo

They just keep the trash busy while you blow up the elites/specials

[manic cloak]

I definitely need to build some new recon lasguns

[somber axle]

Funny thing I just tested

[manic cloak]

Tested with some trash grays and they seem to be greatly improved

[white minnow]

you're gon have instances where you'll be clearing horde and scenarios where you'll be able to shoot freely, and you can even shoot when there's a horde around if you spam dodges

[somber axle]

With Rending Strikes, Marksman's Focus and Chink in their Armour you get enough rending to 1HKO Crushers using the Boltpistol LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

7 feel slike a decent gun now, 6 still feels dodgy to me, idk about 2 dont have one that is remotely decent to test

[white minnow]

in the same way that other keystones have conditions

[somber axle]

You don't need 15 stack MF to do it

[manic cloak]

I play nothing but aurics/mealstoms atm with randoms. Those opportunities are few and far between with all the penance chasing since the last patch.

[bitter turtle]

i also play AM with nothing but random

[white minnow]

i too play auric as a pubber

you're on this discord after all

[bitter turtle]

if you play well, shooting a lot is not that uncommon with the correct gun in mind

[somber axle]

I played with the Mk VId earlier and it was very fun

[bitter turtle]

im shooting constantly on laspistol

[somber axle]

but I was playing with it before this update so

[bitter turtle]

ya i mean i expect you to enjoy 6 no matter what lol

im js i still was

whelmed by it

7 feels pretty good though

[somber axle]

That's fair

But it shoots so fast and the magazine size is so BIG

[bitter turtle]

ya i mean

[somber axle]

it feels so nutty for firing into big crowds of ragers now

[bitter turtle]

i tried it a few times

just because

that RoF is fun to see at least

a lot more satisfying than 7 RoF

[somber axle]

The extra damage on the Mk VIIa and Mk II are definitely really nice buffs too though

I need to take the Mk VIIa into a match

[frank basin]

Well I’ll get call out if I bring braced autogun on maelstrom.

[bitter turtle]

but the cleave on 7 just felt too much of an upside for 6 to compete

at least on new mpa

map*

there's so many tight corridors

[manic cloak]

Nope. Most people don't care what weapons, as long as they are built decently and you play well with it.

[somber axle]

also here is Boltpistol 1HKO on Crusher

Only achievable with Marksman's Focus

[manic cloak]

That's money

[frank basin]

my fantasy so back. (I remember last time [2 year ago] some scoreboard mod dude call me out bring recon on damnation and blame me for team wipe)

[somber axle]

I might start running Marksman's Focus builds with my Boltpistol over Focus Target

[bitter turtle]

how are you gonna stack MF reliably with a boltpistol

[manic cloak]

You might get an elitist or two that will say something. But I've found the meta chasers in Maelstroms that do that are normally avergae players at best. Most of the best I've seen running that difficulty are solid vets that play off-meta because they can.

[somber axle]

Lots and lots of practice with the wonky sights at the weird angle until I can feel the right spot for heads

Until then I suffer

I need to get a feel for the weapon and the only way to do that is experience

[frank basin]

[somber axle]

There's no shortcut to learning that

[merry glade]

the most powerful build you can play is one you're good at

[frank basin]

I’ll bring recon next time but I’m too stuck up with graia braced auto

[merry glade]

mfs really be out here running MF when they can't hit headies cuz a pog-facing youtuber told them to

[frank basin]

Like kiss my gun as I love it

[somber axle]

I live for fun mini-games like stamina juggling with Deadshot on my Recon Mk VId so the fun mini-game of maintaining MF stacks sounds neat to me on Boltpistol

[manic cloak]

The same players that criticize weapon selection in aurics in the lobby are the same ones that alt+F4 the moment they go down.

[frank basin]

If you know the Darktide tuber named “Tanner”

[somber axle]

you're correct LMFAO

there are a lot of weirdos in queue lately who are just sorta brainless, completely unaware of their surroundings and desperate to be carried

[bitter turtle]

careful

tanner is a TOP PARSER in every game

ignore his grey parses in XIV

[frank basin]

Tanner not longer here but he might still lurking around

[merry glade]

is it time to whip out my fflogs

[manic cloak]

Everyone knows Azrael is the real MVP

[somber axle]

I have a friend who cleared Ultimate Weapon Ultimate (UWU)

can I live vicariously through their glory

[merry glade]

tell them uwu is the easiest ultimate and watch them cope

[somber axle]

I want to do Dragonsong Ultimate but I suck

[somber axle]

nah they know it is the easiest that's specifically why they did it

[bitter turtle]

dragondong

gottem

[somber axle]

they mostly just wanted the weapon appearance

[bitter turtle]

im not a parse fiend

[merry glade]

i'll take one expansion-long raid burnout please

[bitter turtle]

usually purple/orange on week 1

for savages

but

[manic cloak]

Are Runescape Classic parses accepted as well?

[bitter turtle]

im just making fun of tanner

he came in here

bragged about how he's a top player

[somber axle]

I have no understanding of what this is because I'm too casual but NEAT

[bitter turtle]

"look up any of my parses in any game" he says

i check fflogs

grey

then he blocked me

😔

[manic cloak]

What a weird flex.

[merry glade]

0 parse means 0 people are better than you 😎

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

#veteran-class message

a comedy in two parts

[merry glade]

either way, like. parsing high in mmo != doing well in a shooter

[manic cloak]

I just couldn't imagine bragging about video game PvE parses as the one thing I do really well in my human existence, but to each their own.

[somber axle]

I just like playing dress up and paying artists to make neat art of my character in FF14 LOL

[merry glade]

valid

[somber axle]

Gotta support the artist scene

[merry glade]

honestly that to any game thing

UNLESS you're actively making a living off it

[manic cloak]

You have cat ears, don't you?

[merry glade]

then you can brag a little ig

[bitter turtle]

i dont mind if someone wants to brag

but at least have it be true

lmao

[somber axle]

do you mean in-game or irl because it's the same answer to both but I'm not saying what the answer is

[frank basin]

You know Tanner might be fragile on criticism with knowledge he might doesn’t like people correct him. His autism is ego higher than my autism.

[merry glade]

the key to parse-bragging is only point them to the good ones (don't look at my logs after dwagonswong)

[manic cloak]

Hey I will give him props that his curio vid was a good starting point when I got into the game a couple months ago.

[somber axle]

the key to parse bragging is to put on the prettiest outfit so people forget you don't do ultimates or savage content

[merry glade]

big if true

[somber axle]

the real end game is afking in Limsa to show off how much better you are than others by your glam

[merry glade]

the real incentive to savage raiding is getting dye-able versions of raid armour

[bitter turtle]

im ngl

the dressup game in ffxiv is weak as fuck

[frank basin]

It is he said shit like “guys get stamina curio with sprint efficiency/stamina regen so I can run long as I can”

[somber axle]

the weirdest thing to discover is that Boltpistol weirdly benefits immensely from rending

[bitter turtle]

character creator is too basic

[somber axle]

compared to like what

because I played GW2, WoW, SWTOR, etc. and it destroys their dress up game

[merry glade]

dressup is nice but i agree on the uhhhhhh
actual character creation

[bitter turtle]

set options of 4 for everything is really basic compared to anything with sliders

[somber axle]

Character creation is valid though

[frank basin]

Destiny 2 dress up game

[merry glade]

1000000 hairstyles (5 are good)
4 faces (2 are good)

[manic cloak]

It's got nothing on Runescape.

[somber axle]

Most of the character models have roughly the same look

[frank basin]

Or the division 2 dress up game

[somber axle]

have you seen the outfits on Eorzea Collection

the dress up gets kinda wild for the best oufits there

[merry glade]

you mean the ones where they turn their gshade's saturation up to 200%

[bitter turtle]

yea i have

[frank basin]

Destiny 2 simple dress up armor.

[bitter turtle]

ok its not fair to compare this

because this genuinely prob has one of the best dressup systems

too bad it has nothing else anymore

but creative ppl on pso2 do way more impressive things

[somber axle]

even ignoring that the dye system (which is getting an upgrade to let you multi-dye in Dawntrail) and the mix and match is very fun

[merry glade]

ffxiv dressup vs darktide dressup

[frank basin]

Gacha

Game dress up

[merry glade]

gacha gamers out

[frank basin]

[somber axle]

Darktide dress up is probably still less expensive than the amount of money I've spent on FF14

LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

like you can literally assemble a motorcycle with accessories and shit bc of being able to move stuff around and attach to different body parts

https://www.reddit.com/r/PSO2/comments/vojtgw/afk_motorcycle/

cool stuff

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/gacha-life-lollipop-sad-blush-gif-15456484

[somber axle]

and I bought literally every single Elysian outfit for all classes including the weapon skins for the laspistol, recons and knife when it released

I basically bought out the whole shop that week

FF14 still eats more money than Darktide

and it's probably not even close

[merry glade]

veteran endgame dressup:

[frank basin]

Why FF14 popular again?

Is damn subscription paywall thingy

[merry glade]

expansion coming out in a few days so probly a bit of buzz aboot it

[bitter turtle]

isnt it alr out

idk

maybe

[merry glade]

early access on 28th? i think?

[bitter turtle]

i dont plan to buy it so i havent been paying attention

ah

[manic cloak]

I missed this and the basic imperial guard outfit and it makes me upset every two weeks when I don't see it on the store.

[bitter turtle]

havent been subbed for a year now

[frank basin]

Yeah trial player get lock content behind

[merry glade]

i'm not too psyched about it myself tbh

[bitter turtle]

tbf

[frank basin]

Much like destiny 2 except you buy and you play the content

[bitter turtle]

the tiral content

is like

[somber axle]

Early access from pre-order on the 28th, full official release near the start of July

[bitter turtle]

3 or 4 expansions worth of content rn

if u actually

play through all of that

without getting bored

of playing a VN with a fetch quest attached

[merry glade]

i think they're expanding trial with DT release too, i think

[somber axle]

There's a wild amount of content that's just free

[bitter turtle]

then you probably should buy the game at that point

[somber axle]

A better F2P model than SWTOR but tbh that's not a high bar

[frank basin]

I prefer buy expansion than pay monthly subscription like leeching money steadily

I get it’s server base aren’t free to operate

[manic cloak]

MMO expansions with carrots on a stick that invalidates previous progress/gearing is toxic imho. Much rather the GW2 and ESO lateral gearing system, which actually respects your time to some extent.

[bitter turtle]

FFXIV gear is atrocious

it might as well not even exist

[frank basin]

Warframe has non existence gear score

[somber axle]

wh

[manic cloak]

I have about 1k hours on that game, but the grind got tedious.

[somber axle]

Ok well I'll just agree to disagree there because I love seeing how people mix and match outfit pieces, dye them and create fun outfits

[bitter turtle]

no

i mean

like

gear equipment wise

like stats

and upgrading your gear

[frank basin]

But I’m stuck with with destiny 2 is Stockholm syndrome with gear score reset every expansion

[somber axle]

Oooh

[merry glade]

xiv gearing is okay imo. kind of lame that every new raid tier all previous gear becomes obsolete in favour of new tier crafted gear, but it keeps it accessible ig

[manic cloak]

You deserve better.

[bitter turtle]

if

FFXIV replaced gear

[somber axle]

Yeah I just check the Balance discord and follow the stat priority guide there and check what the BiS list is for my class

[bitter turtle]

with just set stats that increase after u clear a raid

[somber axle]

and then work toward whatever items and materia they show

[bitter turtle]

it would functinoally be the same thing

its basically nonexistent

[frank basin]

I like the guns :(( looking modern ass sci fi but fucking gear score make you grind gear get better score level to play high end activity

[bitter turtle]

like gear treadmill is a thing in every game but XIV doesnt even try to disguise it

[low lava]

Damn so I guess Zealot CDR got nerfed

so melee vet is better than zealot now lmao

As expected of fatshark balance

[merry glade]

zip zoop

[bitter turtle]

the fact that its a pointless charade of running in place while the goal is moved every time you get close is not even obfuscated to a slight degree

[somber axle]

I should really go back and properly read the patch notes and not just the Recon part

[frank basin]

Even the division 2 has removed gear score for those don’t have the expansion. Letting you level max to 40 instead.

[livid fractal]

Damn, I can finally get proper comissar cosplay

[frank basin]

That’s the recent update

[merry glade]

when rocklet launcher for veteran

[frank basin]

Feel free to play boltpistol to beat the witness

[somber axle]

I think the only time I've felt end game raid gear carry over into new content long term is WoW gear with legendaries being relevant through the leveling zones nearly up to level cap but getting outclassed by the dungeon gear a few levels below the next xpac's cap

that's sorta how it is in FF14 too

[livid fractal]

Rocket sidearm dps sounds like ass tbh

[somber axle]

your raid gear will carry you through the leveling experience of the next xpac up to a point

[frank basin]

Yeah but is cool with 40k style

[merry glade]

issue i take with WoW gearing is, like. idk the barrier to entry to higher-end stuff

[somber axle]

but every MMO out there will invalidate the prior raid tier with the new raid tier

[bitter turtle]

its normal you have not experienced anything else if you only played wow bc XIV is based on wow

this is not the case with every game though

[merry glade]

but i think, like, gearing systems are subjective in terms of what people are okay wid

[bitter turtle]

there is vertical gearing (like XIV, your gear just gets stronger) vs lateral gearing

where new gear gives you new options

[frank basin]

I be honest I can’t be comprehend with raid mechanic

[somber axle]

I mean I also played SWTOR and GW2 but I never hit end game with GW2 and SWTOR feels like a fever dream sometimes

[bitter turtle]

i think some gear in FFXI lasted for years

[frank basin]

Every mmo raid mechanic

[somber axle]

what other MMOs do different things

[bitter turtle]

bc they had unique skills attached that remained useful

even well past their release expansion/update

[merry glade]

every mmo raid mechanic boils down to: stand in the right spot

the end

[bitter turtle]

tbf

you can boil every game down to

[somber axle]

isn't that the MMO where someone discovered movement speed is tied to framerate and if you force your framerate higher you just get silly amounts of movement speed to teleport across maps?

[bitter turtle]

just press the right button lmao

[livid fractal]

ok so if i wanna do commissar cosplay i obviously want a boltpistol but what melee weapon?

[somber axle]

I like Chainsword for melee

[merry glade]

chainsword seems the ez answer

[livid fractal]

fuck im tired apparently

[bitter turtle]

the smart commisars use laspistol

[frank basin]

Yeah and get buff hitting correct sequence or fuck up total wipe. And boss dps phase. There’s more puzzle and buff do damage to enemy that immune to non-buff. Lot of mechanic shit I can’t remember

[livid fractal]

ok but boltpistol is like, 1000x cooler

[bitter turtle]

i guess CIPHIAS CAIN isnt COOL enough for you

[livid fractal]

who

[frank basin]

Get the devil claw

[merry glade]

ur a devil claw lmao gottem

[gloomy pollen]

CIAPHAS CAIN

[livid fractal]

i ask again, who

[somber axle]

Boltpistol is the new hotness, Laspistol is the old notness. Give it time for Boltpistol new car smell to wear off and people will mingle back to CIAG, Plasma and Zarona Revolver (and maybe a few will fall into Laspistol)

[bitter turtle]

yea idk i dont give a fuck about ciphias cain either tbh

use a knife

knife is always good

or rashad

[frank basin]

Knife bleed

[livid fractal]

also new shotgun gives me a great deal of seratonin

[gloomy pollen]

mm nife

[frank basin]

People call it doomslayer

[livid fractal]

like ik its more of a zealot weapon

[gloomy pollen]

knife turned my veteran into a zealot with krak grenades

[livid fractal]

but being able to just insta delete a mutie is super satisfying

[frank basin]

Evis horde clear

boltpistol elite and special

[gloomy pollen]

i have tried several times to play zealot and it just doesn't click

[frank basin]

Something like that

[wraith flare]

But but but thunderfury was bis all throughout the next xpack too

[somber axle]

I just really, really wish Mauler hit registry wasn't weirdly awful and I'm not even sure what's going on there

like look at this

how is this NOT a headshot

that's hitting flak

the chest or arms somehow

not the HEAD

not CARAPACE

[gloomy pollen]

ey gimme a clip comparing the crosshair alignment

[wraith flare]

Wut

[white minnow]

presumably the secondary explosion hitting the body

same problem as voidstrike and plasma

prob can check with shooting a crusher to see if the numbers are roughly the same to confirm

[somber axle]

Vanilla WoW is an ancient beast that should have stayed dead in the past. Now Classic WoW exists and all it did was shake down Boomers who miss the dial up noise

But it was funny seeing the forums explode in rage when Blizzard predictably sold packs for epic mounts and gold for BC

[low lava]

Zealot CDR builds is per swing vs per enemy hit

[low lava]

major nerf to cleave based CDR builds

Meanwhile power sword still gets to 2shot crushers

[bitter turtle]

omg

[low lava]

https://imgur.com/CsV20eS

[bitter turtle]

taxe4 stonks

[low lava]

Zealot enjoyer here now :V

[bitter turtle]

BP taxe4 chads rise

[wraith flare]

What exactly did they change, I didn’t read up on patch notes yet

[bitter turtle]

evi15 falls

[low lava]

its a stealth nerf

not listed in patch notes lol

[frank basin]

Evi15 the horde clear light spam?

[somber axle]

And if you talent your tree in a weird way you can kill a Crusher in ONE push attack stab using the Power Sword too!

[winter grove]

Sure

I used taxe4 and Zarona

[low lava]

I just rock push stab > overhead lol

[gloomy pollen]

Huh. ADS on the bolt pistol is like 2mm to the left of the crosshair's center. funny.

[winter grove]

So I guess I just need a BP

[bitter turtle]

here

BP

https://arknights.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Poison

just for you

[winter grove]

A bolt pistol not an anime girl

[bitter turtle]

when I said BP i meant blazing piety btw

[junior needle]

headshots are yellow now

Crits are orange

[bitter turtle]

violets are blue

[winter grove]

For some reason

[bitter turtle]

if you're a heretic

[junior needle]

There was no reason to do this but it happened

[bitter turtle]

ill kill you

[livid fractal]

holy shit

the boltpistol

Like idk how good it is

but it has by far the crispiest sound design of any gun in the game

[somber axle]

I know. It was a very strange decision and yellow feels like a better colour to represent crits but like ok I guess

[somber axle]

it took forever to find this

that's not even with For the Emperor, Marksman or Close Quarters Kill Zone

it doesn't even need silliness like Infiltrate + Surprise Attack

It just sorta does that

[junior needle]

Oh yes, it'd help if I read the rest of the message. I heard that's a display bug with maulers

Shoot the body and see if the damage changes

[low lava]

interdastin

[frank basin]

Fs craftsmen ship finest

[livid fractal]

ive noticed the boltpustol really suffers against infested tho

[bitter turtle]

the original bolter did too

[somber axle]

ok yeah you're right it does 1798 damage on chest shot but 2377 on "head" shot

[bitter turtle]

so

thats no surprise

[somber axle]

idk how he did it but Mr. Craime is the one who originally recorded that

I just save videos people share for memes

I don't play with power swords so no clue what all factors into 1HKO push attack

the only thing I can see for sure is 8 stack Focus Target

[low lava]

yea I don't run 8 stakcs so w/e

[somber axle]

It still 1HKOs hounds on headshot and the only other enemy type with infested are Poxwalkers

ok wait it 1HKOs hounds on headshot with my current set up but like lemme test without some of my clown shenanigans

[livid fractal]

u sure about that gamer

[somber axle]

I was running Marksman's Focus and it was 1HKOing but I swapped to Focus Target and without ping it almost kills

Lemme show

[livid fractal]

ah ok

[somber axle]

If I ping it for Focus Target damage buff or use Exe Stance it becomes a 1HKO

if I use Marksman's Focus and have even 1 stack it becomes a 1HKO

it's a surprisingly easy breakpoint to hit and doesn't require the infested perk on the weapon thankfully

[livid fractal]

wtf?

mine isnt doing that

mines only doing 804 a shot

[somber axle]

what does your boltpistol look like

[bitter turtle]

u need to remember

when you are talking to sneaky

[livid fractal]

the fuck

[bitter turtle]

they are prob running an unorthodox build

[livid fractal]

my damage is relatively normal

[bitter turtle]

or something

[bitter turtle]

well

not having deadly accurate also prob doesnt help u

[somber axle]

I think DA/Surgical is what's changing

[livid fractal]

oh thatd do it

[somber axle]

you can see my weapon crit by the orange numbers

[livid fractal]

yeah i just really do my commisar cosplay

[somber axle]

DA is pushing it into almost 1HKO by itself

if I had a perfect 80% damage stat or a +10% specialists perk it would be 1HKO

but there are other ways to hit the 1HKO

[rigid pilot]

Does it oneshot mutants or nah

[somber axle]

I can share my talent tree if you're wondering what my talents look like to do this

[livid fractal]

id love to but im about to hop off

[somber axle]

If I run it with Marksman's Focus yes

[livid fractal]

ty for the ideas tho

[somber axle]

It one shots EVERYTHING

[merry glade]

i dont know what, but something's missing from my double shotty tinkering

[somber axle]

but you need Marksman's Focus 10 stacks and rending weirdly enough LMFAO

then you can 1HKO Crushers and Muties

everything dies in 1 shot

[livid fractal]

can i make it do the funny one shots but keep voice of command

[rigid pilot]

I feel like trying to make it do OHKO BPs doesnt make too much sense

Just embrace the 2shot bodyshots

[somber axle]

I mean I can try but I don't know if it's possible

[livid fractal]

or at least 2 shot most major enemies

muties, crushers, etc

[rigid pilot]

Crushers nah

You better have a melee

[low lava]

so I guess boltpistol is the new revolver?

[bitter turtle]

revolver still better prob

[low lava]

decent alternative at least I guess

haven't rolled for one, and my mods making boltpistol crash lol

[somber axle]

Ok yes

Boltpistol CAN 1HKO Muties

got the recording

going to test vs Crushers

This was using Voice of Command btw

as it turns out the defining factor was the MF rending, not Exe Stance LOL

but this IS with a funny talent build using every ounce of juice I can squeeze from the talent tree other than Exe Stance

so I can work backward from here to find what the minimum requirement is

[umbral scaffold]

I still don't really understand why Fatshark removed the strikedown loop from the mk3 shovel at some point

It was one of its defining things

[somber axle]

ok yeah

Voice of Command can't hit 1HKO on Crushers

even using every single damage buff in the entire tree outside of Exe Stance it doesn't hit

Mutie 1HKO with Voice of Command

Crusher 1HKO breakpoint just missed by Voice of Command

the only way to get 1HKO on Crushers with the Boltpistol is to use it with Exe Stance

2HKO is good enough though tbh

and you don't need funny builds that make you extra strong for bursty damage moments in short windows

[somber axle]

Kiiiinda. It's strong but not as strong as the Zarona Revolver with Hand Cannon. I can juice the Boltpistol into 1HKO range on all specials/elites including Crushers but the Zarona Revolver can also be juiced into that 1HKO range for less talent investment while also being able to kill all bosses in 5 shots

Lemme see if I can find the Azrael video

[low lava]

I know that video

that was the mccree revolver

not zarona

[somber axle]

Zarona!

[umbral scaffold]

Bolt pistol also doesn't seem to penetrate much

[low lava]

oh that one lol

yea but exe stance zzz

[somber axle]

yeah but that's how the funny damage happens

[bitter turtle]

more like

focus target

zarona

[somber axle]

you can still get a very fast kill time even without Exe Stance

[bitter turtle]

is the very questionatble part

[somber axle]

Exe Stance just pushes it into this

[somber axle]

I will die on the hill that Focus Target is good for people who actually ping but Weapon Specialist synergizes better with the Zarona Revolver

[bitter turtle]

i didnt say focus target is bad

i said zarona with focus target is

very

questionable choice

[low lava]

I run focus target because i played WHC lol

[umbral scaffold]

Focus target is kinda goated tho

[bitter turtle]

again

its not htat focus target is bad

its that weapon specialist has extremely high synergy with zarona

[low lava]

tagging is a free action

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Target Down with a Zarona Revolver can be solid for team support but the extra damage is probably unnecessary for meeting breakpoints consistently on the Zarona

[bitter turtle]

u already 1 or 2 tap everything on a weapon specialist build

[low lava]

Plasma because for some reason is has a goated drawspeed for weapon specialist