veteran-class

[somber axle]

Boltpistol is fun but if you didn't like the Boltgun you probably are not going to enjoy the Boltpistol either LOL

[full nacelle]

do the shock mauls just suck against crushers?

[tall torrent]

No

High voltage + skullcrusher

[full nacelle]

doesn't seem to do a whole lot of damage

[wraith locust]

is audio just like

not working at all rn

[full nacelle]

might just be that I can't hit the head with them twitching all over the place

[wraith locust]

all elite/specialists sound like they are right on top of you

[lime sedge]

do multiple auras stack? Like the give ammo on special kill aura?

[near sable]

dastardly

[unkempt estuary]

Aye so how's the bolt pistol?

[left crag]

"Ranged Specialist" at the bottom right is really good btw, 1 round guarantee in chamber after any melee kill

[near sable]

although i am still more partial to my mkiv las..

[tall torrent]

It’s alr, breakpoint on Gunner seems tight tho

[austere mica]

Only one though, I need to reload to dump both barrels

[unkempt estuary]

Better or worse than laspistol in your opinion

[tall torrent]

Elite doesn’t hit dreg gunner 1HS without some extra juice and I’m not sure if unarmored just for that 1 dreg gunner breakpoint is worth it

[tall torrent]

If ur comparing to mk2 Laspistol, no

[unkempt estuary]

Oof damn

[tall torrent]

Mk2 Laspistol has way too many things going in its favour

It’s a very strong weapon

[unkempt estuary]

Ye it's my go to

[tall torrent]

Minimal suppression, fast move speed, fast ADS move speed, zero recoil, high finesse, having access to Ghost

Innate 15% crit chance

[unkempt estuary]

Ima still give the bolt pistol a go

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is more of a fun gun

[unkempt estuary]

Shit looks cool

[tall torrent]

But it’s not “just fun”

It’s fine

[unkempt estuary]

Bet

[tall torrent]

U need suppression immunity tho

Otherwise you get suppressed by gunners crazy hard

[bitter turtle]

looks like cain was right

laspistol > boltpistol

[tall torrent]

I also think boltpistol pairs with WS better than the other 2 keystone, sorta

[frank basin]

Laspistol is zero recoil than boltpistol

Every lasgun is zero recoil

[hearty panther]

guaranteed crit from wepspec and deadly accurate is very hard to pass up

[bitter turtle]

any other news about the C&k thing

aborting missions

im not even using it but i got 3 aborts ina row and said fuck this and logged off lmao

[frank basin]

And go play destiny 2

[serene bough]

aside from a general announcement no

[hearty panther]

i made a bug report in-window which hopefully worked

and also told sequenss about it

so we shall see

[sterile phoenix]

how is the kantrael IX (the dragon breath) shotgun?

[austere badger]

Am I missing something or is the bolt pistol awful?

[ionic sparrow]

is anyone getting disconnects immediately after entering a strike team, and only on vet

and only with specific builds

[flat pebble]

is it? i’ve used it for three matches now and think it’s fun

[winter grove]

It's possible that you just miss with the bolt pistol since it's a finesse weapon

[serene bough]

man

ragers are crazy now

[winter grove]

[serene bough]

is their attack speed buff intended

[hearty panther]

ooo another victim afflicted by our strange curse

yes it seems Close and Kill will cause mission aborts. No fukken clue.

[last parcel]

they close and killed our connection to the servers

[ionic sparrow]

ahh ok

so thats the talent

[austere badger]

A headshot isn't oneshotting most specials when I carefully aim and fire at their brains.

[hearty panther]

It's not even everyone, which is super strange.

But ya ur gonna have to switch ur aura

[iron marten]

I was racking my mind last night why I couldn't play

it was close and kill? lmao

[winter grove]

Oh well a skill issue then, should've rolled a bolt pistol with damage above 80%

[ionic sparrow]

does it affect your whole strike team or just you?

[hearty panther]

not sure, i cant rejoin the lobby so i think its taking out everybody

[iron marten]

it affects the whole strike team from what I saw; the server just instantly gets aborted

[ionic sparrow]

hmm well

that can cause a lot of havoc

[hearty panther]

so ya just dont use it for now

its pretty rare actually

[ionic sparrow]

i feel sorry for all those maelstorms i joined mid mission

[winter grove]

Close and Kill does what again

[hearty panther]

maybe it only affects steam accounts that end in 387, who fucken knows

[iron marten]

It happens to me 100% of the time I use it

[flat pebble]

are you using surgical

[iron marten]

guess I'm the unlucky few...

[ionic sparrow]

its 100 percent for me too

[hearty panther]

no like the # of people affected by it

[iron marten]

o

[hearty panther]

hopefully already on a hotfix list

[iron marten]

man, I wanna use Agile Engagement with the Bolt Pistol

guess I'll just use fire team

[hearty panther]

you still can, yea

you lose out on one talent point

but owel

[iron marten]

guess it's not a fatshark game without jank like these on patch days

lmao

[balmy dune]

dang the shomtgun blessings don't carry over to the new one. Was hoping for a scatterhsot manstopper again

[vale ledge]

Fellas… I don’t care if the bolt pistol is shit… it WILL work. And I don’t care cuz I’m choosing fun over “Mein Komf” meta >:|

[sweet juniper]

any way to fix this?

[austere badger]

Always, but the ready time makes it take way too long to build stacks.

[flat pebble]

i’ll say just i’m using flakiac surgical on my bolt pistol and generally ohk most specials on a headshot so idk, maybe there’s a damage stat breakpoint somewhere

i think the one i don’t get ohks on without a crit is tox bombers

afaik bolt pistol and bolter have identical damage profiles so you should be getting those ohks on headshots

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/heavybreathing-cat-gif-6111353

[last parcel]

this is the way

[fleet garden]

display bug?

[somber axle]

Yeah the major difference comes down to the lack of Pinning Fire bolstering power on the Boltpistol. Surgical/Deadly Accurate help close the gap but only if you can consistently land headshots and crit those headshots too. The smaller clip size and less reserve ammo end up meaning you have to make your shots count more too

[flat pebble]

yeah definitely

[paper brook]

Any of the new weapons any good?

[somber axle]

You could probably go Lethal Proximity and Execution instead to get the damage buff on follow up shots though. That would probably mimic the feel of the Boltgun with Pinning Fire

[winter grove]

Is this a god damn astartes helm

[flat pebble]

i don’t hate it, conceptually feels like it’s a consolation to the people who didn’t like the original bolters handling

i’ve been using surgical execution and enjoying it a lot

[paper brook]

Are any of the new Melee or guns for the Vet this update good?

[vale ledge]

Heavy Breathing

Please fatshark-

[somber axle]

I think it works well and feels strong. I ran it in two Auric Damnation High Intensity matches earlier today and cleared the map both times with it. It could definitely put down targets effectively. It would 1HKO Reaper heads, Dreg Gunner heads and most specials. It was also solid at putting down Crushers and Bulwarks but I don't know where the number of shots to kill land on it with too little time playing with it

[midnight totem]

all of them are

[fleet garden]

so, anyone tested the buffed accatrans?

[midnight totem]

its actually very similar to enforcer helmets

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Enforcer_(Security_Force)

[somber axle]

Yes I tested them and they're all significantly stronger than before. But my tests were exclusively vs Crushers in the Psykanium. The new Mk VId feels very strong now. The other variants got significant increases to damage per shot. I would definitely recommend trying them all. The Recon Mk VId feels like a light machine gun now

[vale ledge]

PLEASE GOD EMPEROR GIVE US ENFORCER ARMOR-

[last parcel]

it's called faith

[midnight totem]

in yer mum

[serene bough]

mmmmmmm

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/jp-gif-11420168049516041128

[serene bough]

idk how to feel about bolt pistol

[somber axle]

It looks and sounds fantastic. The art team and sound team did a phenomenal job

[flat pebble]

100%

[vale ledge]

It’s the equivalent to our irl desert eagle

[serene bough]

true which is why i really want to use it

but

[flat pebble]

i feel like bolt pistol is good but clearly it’s a little divisive in here

[serene bough]

im not sure how i like it on vet

[flat pebble]

i think it’s going to shake out that it’s basically a solved weapon like the bolter, and that experiments unfortunately will kinda just be a trap

[last parcel]

yeah it's divisive
mfs getting bisected in one shot

[vale ledge]

I mean in its defense I’d imagine it more as an “execution” style weapon

[flat pebble]

with survivalist it basically never runs out of ammo ime

[tawny badger]

The bolt pistol is so delightfully punchy I love it

[sleek garden]

is this a good weapon for beteran

veteran

[tawny badger]

then again I feel like you absolutely NEED the suppression immunity perk when you’re using it or you might as well not use it at all

[pallid dew]

How's the double barrel, bolt pistol and stun mace?

[vale ledge]

Uhh what perks are on the bolt pistol?

Like what can you put on it

[tawny badger]

surgical, execution, gloryhunter, uhhhh lemme check

[abstract locust]

great, mid but fun, great

[pallid dew]

I'm a shotgun main so seeing the new double barrel has my intrigued '

[paper brook]

Which mark is the best for the Shock Maul?

[tawny badger]

deadly accurate, run n gun

[vale ledge]

hmm

[abstract locust]

melee shotgun vet is insane, reload one shell every kill, switching back and forth. Feels nuts

[tawny badger]

puncture (ranged hits add 1-4 stacks of bleed)

point blank

[vale ledge]

Guess I’m making a support offense build with that hand cannon

[paper brook]

Indignatus or Agni Shock Maul?

[pallid dew]

kinda wish we could duel wield in this game have a bolt pistol and melee weapon without need to switch but double barrel takes the spotlight for me

[vale ledge]

Bleed zealots gonna have a field day with this gun-

[tawny badger]

eeehhhhh

[vale ledge]

Or something similar to the duelists blade like Saltzypyre?

[abstract locust]

Shotgun on melee vet with terrifying barrage is so insane. Nothing can move. You're invincible

[pallid dew]

pretty much

Gonna gamble and pray I can get a good double barrel build

[tawny badger]

reaper: "GOT ENEMIESSSSS"
the stealth veteran/zealot shoving the double barrel shotgun up his ass:

[pallid dew]

and see what if I need a new melee weapon

I do like my slug round shotgun though because I can snipe with it

[pallid jetty]

btw yeah, i wonder how big the 2 barrel shot from shroudfield

in the back

[tawny badger]

it’s so goofy you wouldn’t believe

[pallid jetty]

goofy ahh damage

noted

[pallid dew]

Wait a minute 3 shot grey double barrel against mauler??

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-let-him-cook-gif-11999534059191155013

[feral bay]

Oh, it's gonna be a paid skin? Well, I guess I'm getting another set of boots when t comes around.

[pallid dew]

First time realising the face actually shows up

Does more damage to body than headshots

[umbral scaffold]

damn

run and gun is fun on the double barrel

using it with a sprinting/swap build

50% dmg increase

[celest rock]

I just got Make Every Shot Count

On accident

[tawny badger]

damn what does nurgle be putting in the food

[sleek garden]

this new mission is unbelievably hard in auric

[elder dawn]

alright lads whats the hot blessings on this new shotgun

[tawny badger]

mfw auric missions are hard

[sleek garden]

ive never had this much trouble before

[vale ledge]

The actual psycho running a kill shot run and gun build:

[pallid dew]

doesn't beat peeled potatos

and corpse soup

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-tf2-scout-tf2-balls-gif-16390308937108692826

[umbral scaffold]

zamn

i love to see it

[tawny badger]

killing an enemy by firing both barrels makes your next-

oh my god

I NEED to make scout tf2 now

[elder dawn]

yo that both barrels blessing is dope

[rigid pilot]

Run and gun actually makes sense with this weapon kinda

[vale ledge]

Does the buff stack?

[pallid dew]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-guy-shotgun-gif-27413588

[umbral scaffold]

ON GOD

[elder dawn]

i was thinking of just running weapon specialist with the shotgun for the reload so idk if i need that blessing but sounds rad

[umbral scaffold]

using infiltrate with the close range dmg increases and it goes off

[pallid dew]

just need to swap out the perks

[umbral scaffold]

it does mang

[vale ledge]

How big was the update?

Like how many gigabytes

[elder dawn]

15ish

[umbral scaffold]

any ideas?

[vale ledge]

WHAT

[serene bough]

16gb i think

[celest rock]

This has been serving me well

[rigid pilot]

Does run and gun still proc while sliding?

[pallid dew]

kinda need to aim down sight to use both barrels at the same time though for run n gun but still op

[vale ledge]

Bro istg I already got limited space-

IS THE NEW MAP GOOD AT LEAST?

[umbral scaffold]

all run and gun needs is reload while sprinting and it's goated

[pallid dew]

only issue I would say is crushers and maulers so probs something against carapace but I'm no expert

just realised that said 12% damage while sprinting

holy

[somber axle]

Imagine Speedload + Both Barrels with Reload Speed +10% Perk and Tactical Reload +30% Reload on Elite/Special Kill and Weapon Specialist increased Reload Speed...

[flat pebble]

it’s pretty cool

if your team makes a habit of splitting up you’re cooked

[somber axle]

It could have a VERY funny Reload animation

[pallid dew]

So spriting and shooting pretty much covers up for not needing to aim down

since you pretty much deliver more damage hipfire

bruh

[fleet garden]

Nice. I am using one in an auric run now and it slaps

[pallid dew]

70% reload speed is also crazy

Imagine stacking that with other reload speed perks and talents

man wtf is that shotgun

[umbral scaffold]

damn

[pallid dew]

don't even need slug rounds

you are the slug itself

[delicate moat]

anyone else get freezes in vanilla, or is it mod related?

[somber axle]

It is a wonderful day to use a Recon

[umbral scaffold]

i think run and gun drops once you aim down

still decent for single shots

[pallid dew]

you only really need to aim down if you don't need to sprint

[elder dawn]

first one i bought

[somber axle]

I didn't get any error codes or freezes/stuttering when I played earlier but that's just me

[pallid dew]

especially if you're running stealt build

you're pretty much doom guy gliding around

[somber axle]

it's a sign

[pallid dew]

holy

hopefully the bolt pistol doesn't get overshadowed by the double barrel

[elder dawn]

rng carried

[pallid dew]

or cornered and need to crowd control

other than that, run n gun to your heart's content

[somber axle]

It isn't imo. Boltpistol draw speed feels so good compared to Boltgun. Very snappy for drawing on a Rager to dome them

[elder dawn]

is range the dump stat

[pallid dew]

I would choose bolt pistol over boltgun anyday

[rigid pilot]

Bolt pistol is

[somber axle]

I had a few moments earlier feeling how good the Bolpistol performed swapping off melee and putting shots into Rager heads

[flat pebble]

i love me bolter still

[rigid pilot]

Probably the run and gun gun

[pallid dew]

8 bullets is good enough

not saying bolter ain't bad but bolt pistol just more viable

[flat pebble]

bolt pistol is a fun new choice tho

[pallid dew]

get that commissar rp

[rigid pilot]

It doesn't really care about crit and headshots as much as lspistol or revolver

[flat pebble]

bolter still has the magdump option for bosses

[pallid dew]

that is true

[hidden timber]

any good

[flat pebble]

you for sure still want crits and headshots

[pallid dew]

bolter is my favourite magdump for bosses

[rigid pilot]

Yea but idk about building around it

[pallid dew]

that's nice

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

[rigid pilot]

Just run and gun and bleed go for 2 tap bodyshots

[flat pebble]

crit headshots bring you to a lot of ohk breakpoints

[elder dawn]

which one

[pallid dew]

you're pretty much immune to gunners and snipers if you can get that 0.9 seconds in

[somber axle]

Boltgun still feels more wild for the crazy burst of magdumping into a boss weak spot and it has more reserve ammo + more ammo per clip. Boltgun will outpace Boltpistol as a backline support shooter mainly cleaning up elites/specials. But Boltpistol feels very nice for run and gun and can serve as a good quick draw gun for dealing with a Flak Rager or a solid weapon to go backline support and shoot down Gunners

[rigid pilot]

Mainly on flak gunners

Dreg gunners lol, lmao

[pallid dew]

only issue is when you reload you're vulernable to damage which is pretty much almost every gun

[somber axle]

Flak Gunners are easier to kill imo

Almost everyone runs Flak. Flak Gunners also have lower HP

[rigid pilot]

I'm about to run +unarmored

[somber axle]

Some guns like Mk II Helbore without Exe Stance need Unarmoured as a perk to get the 1HKO breakpoint on Dreg Gunners but can comfortably hit the 1HKO on Flak Gunners without Flak perk

[pallid dew]

the one on the right fits my personal playstyle better, the speedload doesn't get close to both barrels and suppress enemies is nice

[hidden timber]

is recon las a lot better nowÉ

[somber axle]

Yes

Very nice buffs

[toxic leaf]

which models are good

[flat pebble]

ive been using this one and having a lot of fun

[elder dawn]

yeah im thinking of swapping terrifying barrage for somethign else but idk

[pallid dew]

Plus the penetration on the double barrel is good

[flat pebble]

surg 3 pain tho

[pallid dew]

not quite wide spread but can hit multiple enemies standing in a line

[elder dawn]

both barrels seems goated

[pallid dew]

either way you got it going for you

[flat pebble]

for sure do this terrifying barrage is a trap blessing

[toxic leaf]

which model recons are using

[pallid dew]

it really is since you want to output as much damage and that 70% reload is almost instant

[somber axle]

I would recommend trying them. They were all buffed. The Recon Mk VId was changed the most imo. The other Recons (Mk II and Mk VIIa) got big buffs to per shot damage. The Recon Mk VId got a massively increased magazine size and rate of fire turning it into a light machine gun

[flat pebble]

apparently all three are good now

[elder dawn]

does deathspitter stay on when you swap weapons

[flat pebble]

doubtful but idk

[elder dawn]

weapon specialist vet with this shotgun seems goated

[flat pebble]

definitely

you could slot in deathspitter and swap maniac from unarmored on that second one and if you get it put full bore on it if you are underwhelmed by deathspitter

it's probably what i would do

[elder dawn]

i forgot about full bore

[flat pebble]

havent tested the double barrel yet tho so

[somber axle]

I kinda want to try Weapon Specialist Mk VId to see how silly the fire rate gets from the ranged weapon attack speed bonus buff from Ranged Specialist

[last parcel]

i think i've seena few people post that here

and with celery stim

[somber axle]

The rate of fire probably gets pretty silly with Weapon Specialist and Celerity

[hidden badge]

So the electrified maul overall interests me more than the bolt pistol which I think is pretty mid tbh, but I could see the maul being pretty damn good

[flat pebble]

im not really sure what people were expecting with the bolt pistol

[hidden badge]

Something that'd at least rival the zarona revolver probably, but it honestly doesn't

[austere pine]

i wanna join in on the fun so fucking bad but gfn refuses to cooperate

give the heretics hell on my behalf

[flat pebble]

its just a bolter with 8 bullets in the mag and better handling with no magdump option

unless i'm mistaken its the same damage profile

[hidden badge]

It has the utility of applying 4 bleed stacks which is kinda nice so in theory it could be better for management, but yeah when the PG and zarona exist? It makes the boltgun seem like the better overall pick since that thing at least immediatley deletes bulwarks and monstosities by comparison

I think the boltgun at this stage would be good if FS would just remove the delayed weapon animation. Make it immediate and I'd use it.

[flat pebble]

i take it then you dont like the bolter

because that would make sense if you find the bolt pistol underwhelming considering it's kind of the same situation

[tall torrent]

Just got disconnected twice in a mission

This is some insane server instability

[hidden badge]

I'm gonna try handcannon and surgical on it, but the bleed and 20% extra damage to staggered enemies seems kinda eh

[flat pebble]

... does the bolt pistol get hand cannon?

[hidden badge]

It does yeah

[somber axle]

It does not

[vale ledge]

Really hope this actually comes out and not some shitty reskin of another cosmetic

[somber axle]

Here is the total list of blessings for Boltpistol

[hidden badge]

Mmm I was mistaken then

[tall torrent]

Yea no this is unplayable lol

[flat pebble]

yeah i was like uhhhh

[fleet garden]

this is my accatran, I used it before the nerf, just rolled infernus for deathspitter

[somber axle]

Tbh you don't need Hand Cannon on the Boltpistol in my experience

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna wait for their patches

[fleet garden]

dont know if the best roll but my auric mission went smooth

[vale ledge]

Wait wtf-

[flat pebble]

surg deadly accurate or surge execution are my two combos im trying to get good rolls on

[somber axle]

It is still solid for hunting Crushers and you don't need the Rending for any other target

[flat pebble]

yeah bolt rounds are totally fine against armor as is

[austere mica]

Almost like you’re shooting rockets at people

[fleet garden]

build is voc focus target with onslaught and rending strikes, no shock trooper and ammo was fine

[somber axle]

Go Surgical/Deadly Accurate and aim heads to delete Crushers

[flat pebble]

gyrojet ammunition goes fwooshBOOM

[vale ledge]

Fuck you
Aims for the center mass

[flat pebble]

this is actually the reason why people dont like bolter im pretty sure lol

its a finesse weapon now since p14 but people dont use them like they are

[hidden badge]

People can't aim, but yeah headshots really are what you should do

[fleet garden]

also used a indignatus shock maul, its pretty good

[vale ledge]

Ehh I don’t very much care for efficiency. I just want to make a heretic suffer for as long as possible

And if spontaneous detonation in their torso lasts longer then so be it >:>

[flat pebble]

the problem is that bolter needs headshots and crit to get a decent amount of ohk breakpoints

[hidden badge]

Though tbf the irons for the boltgun and pistol are pretty meh. Zarona irons are good.

[flat pebble]

so if you're not getting those headshot the gun can kinda feel bad

bolter iron is like 5 pixels off lol

so weird

[vale ledge]

Womp Womp Bolter noise makes by brain tingle so I care not

[hidden badge]

Yeah the damn weapon mod is basically mandatory for better scopes and the flashlight

[flat pebble]

whatever works for you my dude im just speaking in general terms

[vale ledge]

Neurons care not what you think

[flat pebble]

a lotta people dont like the bolter for what i would lightly call skill issues

[vale ledge]

Only care about BANGBANGBANGBANBANG-

[flat pebble]

but if you like it then more power to you

[fleet garden]

only hawk tuah

[hidden badge]

The boltgun can be great for knife stealth zealots

[flat pebble]

the most widespread viral meme ive seen in years

[vale ledge]

(I only use my gun in desperate point-blank “PANIC BUTTON” in situations)

[flat pebble]

even made its way to the darktide discord

[fleet garden]

if she doesnt hawk tuah, i wont talk tuah

[vale ledge]

Usually I try to be a wing-man with someone when I play my vet. Lettin them thrive off my marks and my toughness buffs

[hidden badge]

It's a good meme and tbh kinda how I feel at this point myself with the modern day dating environment lol

[somber axle]

I would recommend Lethal Proximity and Execution to at least get the bonus damage from stagger but idk if the Boltpistol hits the same stagger threshold as the Boltgun so who knows if it can stagger Crushers? Weapon just came out and idk if anyone has tested that yet

[vale ledge]

I commit to the full support-offense operative

[hidden badge]

I ain't gonna chase anyone, but if she wants to hawk tuh on it? Hey cool

[flat pebble]

i think it makes them stumble on headshot? ill have to look to make sure next run

[tawny badger]

is it just me or does vet jerk their hand a little bit for no reason with the bolt pistol too

[fleet garden]

lets see how thurst IV is on an indignatus

[somber axle]

It probably can make a Crusher stagger when combo'd with Exe Stance but I'm not sure how many shots you need

[fleet garden]

dont know what perks to roll on it though

[flat pebble]

dont even bother trying to make a bulwark stumble with the pistol tho lol

sadge

[hidden badge]

Yeah I think that's WHY FS keeps those weapon swap speeds garbage so someone will use exe stance, but its such a bad ability.

[flat pebble]

i get why they buffed bulwarks stagger resist but i miss popping their shields wide with a bolter round

[tall torrent]

Yea no I’m just gonna wait for server stability & performance improvements

[somber axle]

Boltgun can 2 shot stagger a Bulwark firing into the shield while using Exe Stance but idk how many shots Boltpistol needs. It definitely feels like it has a lower impact stat from what I have felt so far though

[tall torrent]

Got booted twice from the new mission

Freeze, disconnect, reconnect

[flat pebble]

yeah idk i basically always use the ping keystone

[hidden badge]

Game is running okay on west coast NA for Steam anyway

[flat pebble]

that tree has the good stuff i want so i usually just get the single node for the keystone as a gimme

[tall torrent]

I’m in east coast

[hidden badge]

And I'm using mods without crashes

[fleet garden]

no problems here eu west

[flat pebble]

WC4L

[fleet garden]

might be because its 4 am but still

[hidden badge]

6:47pm here pretty peak time

[flat pebble]

i was playing around noon pacific today without issue

[tall torrent]

Is it just the new map?

[flat pebble]

i mean i had issues but they're called teammates

[somber axle]

Wdym I use Exe Stance all the time with any weapon. It is very good for helping hit 1HKO breakpoints on the Helbore Mk II, Infantry Lasguns, Boltgun, Boltpistol, etc. the list goes on. Just a very useful ability for pushing breakpoints not limited by being in some optimal range (Longshot, Kill Zone) or tied to a short duration buff with limited uptime (Marksman, For the Emperor, Close Quarters Kill Zone when paired with Voice of Command or Infiltrate)

[fleet garden]

rerolled deathspitter for infernus again, going to try it after the buff

[hidden badge]

I had some weird shit forever ago with SF6 and it wouldn't let me connect at all for like two weeks and I had to disable something in my network settings so you might wanna try that. I don't remember what the hell I did after that.

[somber axle]

If you're able to hit the same breakpoints I do without Exe Stance I bet you had to spend more heavily in the talent tree or waste perk slots to reach them

[tall torrent]

I’ll restart router maybe

[fleet garden]

voc is just so good though

[tall torrent]

Gonna try verifying files integrity as well

Also imma just say

As cool as the boltpistol is

[hidden badge]

Google something like "can't connect to game windows firewall/network settings" if that doesn't work

[tall torrent]

3 randoms in QP lobby all running boltpistol and shooting all game while nobody runs survivalist is proving to be problematic

[midnight totem]

so a regular game of qp

[tall torrent]

Just because it’s new doesn’t mean every mf and their mother needs to be running it

[somber axle]

Like Mk II Helbore requires both Maniac and Unarmoured perks to hit the 1HKO on both Flamers and the Dreg Gunner if you don't use Exe Stance. If you pigeonhole into Maniac/Unarmoured you miss out on Carapace and your Helbore Mk II requires 5-7 shots per Crusher. At that point you might as well swap melee for Crushers. Meanwhile Exe Stance Mk II Helbore hits Flamer 1HKO, Dreg Gunner 1HKO and can 2HKO Crushers. The damage gets wild for someone who knows how to toy with them

[tall torrent]

This is the first time in 5 months I’ve ran out of ammo on a Lasgun of all things

[hidden badge]

Sure, but you can reach all those same breakpoints with infil or focus target too and those abilities are way more useful

[somber axle]

No you can't LOL

[feral bay]

Ooh. Can you get Deadly Accurate on the regular boltgun too, or only the bolt pistol?

[somber axle]

Go test in Psykanium

Redirect Fire and Exe Stance let the Mk II Helbore comfortably maintain 1HKO Flamers and Dreg Gunners without the Maniac perk or Unarmoured Perk

Otherwise you need those perks to hit the breakpoints

Then you sacrifice Carapace and can't hope to touch Crusher 2HKO

[hidden badge]

A single headshot with the zarona will remove 70%+ of a crusher's health with a focus tag

[flat pebble]

got barreled off a ledge 3 minutes into a match

[somber axle]

Try to 2HKO a Crusher using Voice of Command without Carapace perk on a Mk II Helbore

[midnight totem]

happening to a lot of players on the new map lol

[somber axle]

It can't be done

[somber axle]

Sure that is a different weapon. Apples to oranges dude. Different breakpoints there

[hidden badge]

Well the Helbore needs help. I'd rather them nerf the bayonet staggering everything and just buff the shit out of the damage instead.

[somber axle]

The point is that Exe Stance has good value for someone crunching numbers and toying with breakpoints

If you just follow cookie cutter guides and don't experiment then yeah don't use Exe Stance because you will probably use it wrong

[heavy bridge]

the bolt pistol feels really nice, but I can't help shaking the feeling that I'd be doing better with a Revolver. I probably need to figure out what my optimal blessing loadout for one is

[flat pebble]

unsurprisingly people arent familiar with how much ex stance does for las weapons

[hidden badge]

I don't think the ability is useless, but it really is a very meh pick vs voc (which damn near assures you and the team don't die) and infil which helps with a rez or objective

[heavy bridge]

I mostly use Exe on plasma for those wallbangs

[feral bay]

Nice job!

[somber axle]

Keep in mind Revolver goes 5 taps and needs reloads or you swap melee to slap poxwalkers to get the auto reload from Weapon Specialist while the Surgical/Shock Trooper/Deadshot Helbore Mk II never stops firing and puts down the Crusher, their friends, the Bulwarks, the Gunners and Reapers all without reloading and without using the whole clip's worth of ammo

Very different weapons and the staying power of a perfect roll Mk II Helbore gets crazy with the right talent tree

[flat pebble]

its okay because the zealot who did it to me also failed to clutch and we lost the match 🙂

[terse idol]

I thought the damage was actually pretty good

Like few shot headshots on most targets crusher included

[flat pebble]

they ran past two people who were hanging on the ledge, triggered a monstrosity and died

[feral bay]

RIP

[hidden badge]

That's fair and yeah I'd like to try a build where the Hellbore is actually good. Is there one you recommend?

[terse idol]

the helbore is good though

[feral bay]

You did not fail the emperor, the 'zealot' with you was just a Heretic.

[hidden badge]

It isn't bad, but its the same "Zarona and plasma gun exist" argument

Should plasma be nerfed? Probably yeah

[somber axle]

I can show you my builds in a few minutes

On my way to lunch break at work right now

[hidden badge]

But you also don't wanna nerf zarona because that's encouraging people to make good headshots and aim

[flat pebble]

yep a headshot to aa crusher with the bolt pistol staggers them

[hidden badge]

Cool cool ty

[heavy bridge]

the stagger from BP's have come in real clutch a few times

[hidden badge]

So does the alternate attack with the shovel though for example

[flat pebble]

was answering cat's query from earlier

[hidden badge]

Ah fair

I'm one of the people that has basically a perfect power sword and never run it because I honestly don't like it at all lol

Its less than useless without being activated

[heavy bridge]

I remember this issue in Vermintide.

There were anti-elite and anti-horde guns. And while the latter were good at killing hordes, the number of enemies always means you'd never have enough ammo. So the only weapons that really mattered were anti-elite, and so the best guns worth taking were the most specialized anti elite ones.

DT fixed it a bit with all the shooters requiring more general use weapons, but it's not the cleanest fix.

[flat pebble]

i mean ultimately you have to do what you can to not optimise the fun out of a game

[winter grove]

Is the collateral even required for the bolt pistol?

[flat pebble]

just because the revolver is strong doesnt mean you have to use it every time

[flat pebble]

if you care about stagger BPs

[winter grove]

I don't, I pull it out solely for headshots and going back to melee (WS gaming)

[heavy bridge]

you don't understand
the brain goblins are telling me that I'm playing suboptimally

[flat pebble]

then probably no

[flat pebble]

brain goblins? sounds like warp trickery

please report to your nearest commissar

[tawny badger]

shoot them with a surgical bolt pistol headshot

[winter grove]

better than mind goblins yunno

[somber axle]

Both of these should give you the 1HKO breakpoints on Dreg Gunner and both Flamers without needing Maniac or Unarmoured perks on your Mk II Helbore

The Infiltrate build requires you to juggle Agile Engagement though

[winter grove]

Stealth and FT

God I wanna kill someone

[somber axle]

Yes

You do not know how relaxing it is to take a Mk II Helbore out and have free firing for 10 seconds on Low Profile

You can stand out in the open and focus on high priority threats without worrying about poxwalkers

You don't need to swap melee

It is bliss

[heavy bridge]

on a secondary note tho, it's a little sad that a weapon as iconic as BP is just "fine, pretty good in some builds"

I'm not surprised tho. The moment they made the revolver the absolute beast it was I knew that the BP, whenever it eventually dropped, was going to have to be lower damage than it.

[somber axle]

Remember that you can proc Agile Engagement off of bayonet kills

That extra 25% damage feeds your ability to 1HKO Flamers and Dreg Gunners

Just bayonet a poxwalker and go blasting

For Exe Stance just keep uptime on Redirect Fire and Exe Stance

You will 1HKO them with ease and still demolish Crushers in 2-3 shots dependent on your Mk II Helbore Damage and Stopping Power if you have Carapace as a perk

[hidden badge]

Ooh interesting that would help a lot

[heavy bridge]

yeah Mk II is super fun

[somber axle]

You can make a Voice of Command build with a Mk II Helbore but the talent pathing to still hit 1HKO Dreg Gunner and 1HKO Flamer is harder

[winter grove]

Still don't know why revi is so strong compared to bolters and plasma guns

[somber axle]

It's why Numbers Cat lists Maniac and Unarmoured as mandatory perks for the Mk II Helbore in his old guide

[hidden badge]

You just run surgical and WoF, I'm guessing?

[somber axle]

Yes

[hearty panther]

hmmm i dnno whats really best for the dubs barrel so far

[flat pebble]

basically mandatory for helbore

[hidden badge]

Cool cool, I've got a decent one with that so I'll give it a go for sure! Thanks again

[thick fern]

Anything fellow vets suggest getting in Sire Melks?

[somber axle]

Weight of Fire sounds optional until you feel the buttery smooth fire time on a high charge rate Mk II Helbore with Weight of Fire stacks going

[hidden badge]

Infernus is nice, but yeah probably just no good with the hellbore

[flat pebble]

infernus is almost universally a trap blessing unfortunately

[heavy bridge]

well, it needed a niche
that niche was "Anti-armor" pistol.

And it has a smaller clip than both the Bolter and the Plasma, so for balance sake it needs to be higher damage

[flat pebble]

there's nearly always better options

[hidden badge]

There's exceptions, but yeah that can be true. Infern + ghost is nice though

[flat pebble]

on laspistol?

[hidden badge]

At least with the las pistol

Yep

[flat pebble]

dumdum + ghost

dumdum is a goated blessing

[brave egret]

bolt pistol is so much fun

[hidden badge]

yeah dumdum is good too

[somber axle]

I have my Mk II Helbore for reference too!

[hidden badge]

I find infernus to be a little better for maelstroms with a million gunners, but just barely

[heavy bridge]

Part of me misses the original infernus

it was really dumb tho

[hidden badge]

Burn + bleed is a very strong pairing and the elecrocution should be cool too

[flat pebble]

just saw a psyker using weak spot damage perk on a trauma staff

they let anyone in aurics nowadays

[winter grove]

So what's the setup for BP?

[somber axle]

As soon as the locks are removed I'm swapping Flak to Unyielding

[winter grove]

Flakiac, DA and Surgical?

[flat pebble]

pretty much

i think you can also justify swapping DA for execution

[winter grove]

Also why did they change weakpoint and crit number colors

I was confused for a good minute

Thinking I was doing like 90% crit chance shots

[hidden badge]

Bleed does have some use with the BP too, but yeah definitely grab surgical for the long shots

[flat pebble]

once locks are gone,,,,,

[heavy bridge]

I almost want to try a Lethal Proximity Puncture build
It probably doesn't work and would be terrible even if it did, but it sounds funny

[hidden badge]

Doesn't sadly

[heavy bridge]

damn

[hidden badge]

It'd be too good

[heavy bridge]

can't have nice things

[hidden badge]

Which we can't have, but we get the plasma gun that deletes everything on the screen because FS doublethink

[bitter turtle]

Can't have shit on atoma

[flat pebble]

i mean plasma is due for a nerf at this point

[stoic mantle]

Anyone else crashing every time you try to buy the new shotgun?

[flat pebble]

they're probably just trying to figure out how to do it while focusing on other stuff

[heavy bridge]

I just want frag round bolt pistol is that too much to ask

[somber axle]

That one hits the Flamer/Dreg Gunner breakpoints without Exe Stance or Agile Engagement though! So you can run it comfortably with Voice of Command instead of eating a talent tax elsewhere

[heavy bridge]

what do we think it'll be? Ammo? Heat Cap?

[flat pebble]

i think they might update the mechanics again tbh

auto vent is doing a lot of heavy lifting

[hidden badge]

Probably yeah, but there's gonna be a lot of mad players if they touch it or the power sword. Both of which I think are just absurd weapons.

[heavy bridge]

no
have you validated files?

[stoic mantle]

not yet

[heavy bridge]

worth a try

[flat pebble]

power sword is pretty balanced nowadays imo

horrible mobility and mandatory special charge up time

[heavy bridge]

I can never justify power sword above 4 tbh

just too clunky

[hollow ibex]

ps... balanced

[flat pebble]

tbf i used a qualifier

[hidden badge]

Oh true. I dislike it personally overall, but you can just charge it and spam head stabs with right click held down and mashing left click

[flat pebble]

it has a place in some vet kits but i think it's kinda boring

[hollow ibex]

honestly in terms of raw power, it's probably first or second place for vet

[flat pebble]

i prefer dclaw 4

[hidden badge]

its very boring and I even prefer the shovel over it

[flat pebble]

sure but power isnt the only quality there is to judge if a weapon's good

its really spikey sure

but its slow as fuck

[hollow ibex]

its only real weakness is poor dodges

[pallid dew]

Go all the way or try to get tier 4 run n gun?

[hollow ibex]

but ps6 gets enhanced block to compensate for it... sooooo

[hidden badge]

The shovel is pretty S tier imo. Great cleave, decent single target spam with left click, and the alternate attacks staggers everything and easily hits the dogs flying at you too

[flat pebble]

cant tell if bait

28% damage

[heavy bridge]

PS almost feels like a "Win More" weapon

[eternal flare]

what does the hackers stopping power stat do

[pallid dew]

bruh just realised the damage

nvm

[hidden badge]

The folding shovel is also very good and that thing does stupid good damage too

[flat pebble]

all the shovels rock

excellent generalist melee weapons

[somber axle]

Make it do HP damage on auto-vent at 100% Heat when firing Uncharged shots. This is a very minor change and skilled Vets with Plasma will see no change in their gameplay but it will punish Vets who turn off their brains and spam thinking auto-vent will keep them from suffering any consequences. The ticking HP damage will slowly kill a bad Vet and force them to be more careful about venting before they hit 100% heat

[flat pebble]

usually is a damage % modifier against the individual armor types

[somber axle]

Charged Shots can keep the funny explosion though

[heavy bridge]

yeah I'd be fine with that

make bad heat management a little more punishing

[flat pebble]

yeah imo they need to make the plasma gun harder to use

not really touch its stats except maybe ammo

[austere pine]

wait hold on

what new marks are there

[hidden badge]

The shovels, Mk VI Combat Blade, and Antax Mk V are typically my go-tos with Vet since I appreciate the additional mobility/stagger options

[flat pebble]

well first off my name is tyler not mark

[flat pebble]

dclaw mk4 my beloved

sekiro sim

[heavy bridge]

the claw is SUPER fun

[hidden badge]

yeah, the claw is good too, but I gotta practice more lol

Becoming a dark souls parry god in Dtide is worth it though for sure

[flat pebble]

:):):)

[heavy bridge]

Chainsword ain't bad either, if you can get an attack speed buff in your build

[austere pine]

wait this is a new one right?

[pallid dew]

perhaps throwing run n gun will make this more effective

Just constantly running around and shooting and stacking up crit

[heavy bridge]

which one

[flat pebble]

l1 r2 repeat nothing to it

[austere pine]

mk6 dclaw

[flat pebble]

nah all three dclaws have been around since launch

[hidden badge]

Oh no, the parry I mean. I have the meatgrinder mod, but yeah I gotta put more time into it. Very helpful with ragers though.

[flat pebble]

also thats a 4 not a 6 there'

[hidden badge]

You can parry everything including the crusher OH

[pallid dew]

Bruh 100% everything bug

[flat pebble]

s no 6 dclaw

[heavy bridge]

I was pretty disappointed when I saw how comparatively little damage crits add to the new shotty

[flat pebble]

I, IV, and VII

[serene bough]

ragers are super fast now

[flat pebble]

i thought i was going crazy tbh

[pallid dew]

Yeah

unlike other shotty

[flat pebble]

ragers have been up my shit the last few matches

[hidden badge]

Ragers did seem to get a speed buff which I'm fine with tbh

[serene bough]

only the maniac ones though i think

which prompts the question is it a bug

[hidden badge]

I'm just glad FS learned their lesson with trying to improve fire

[heavy bridge]

It seems like the DB shotty is better for non-vet classes, since we have SO much crit focus

[flat pebble]

wep spec double barrel shotgun seems like a no brainer

reloads in your pocket

[austere pine]

THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NEW MARKS WHAT ARE THEY

😠

[serene bough]

you must go to ogryn chat to find your marks

[hidden badge]

Problem is, the revolver is a better shotgun too in this game and that'll delete the sniper with ease across the map

[serene bough]

im sure the meta weapons will be tuned down in future patches

[hidden badge]

Didn't shotguns have bleed at some point?

[serene bough]

they seem to let metas sit for a while before changing which i agree with

[flat pebble]

no new marks, new weapons

[austere pine]

game message said new marks too

angery

[hidden badge]

Okay so they still have bleed, but its only a lvl 2 and on crit which is garbo

[winter grove]

All they have to do is add hellguns now :)

[fleet garden]

melta, longlas

[heavy bridge]

reloads are nice
but the big thing weapon spec brings to the table is +crit chance and +fire rate, both of which are kinda useless on the Duble Barrel

[atomic zephyr]

did they make histg harder?

[hybrid prawn]

nope its same old

[atomic zephyr]

feel like im getting shredded faster than usual

huh.

maybe its cause im not using meta stuff anymore lol

[hybrid prawn]

has anyone tested DB shotgun with 100% reload speed

[winter grove]

Did they really call the new character fucking SWAGGER?

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i think its funny lol

[heavy bridge]

not to doomer, but I feel like Hellguns are gonna fall into the same trap BP fell into.

Hellguns are high damage, anti-armor lasguns. And we have those already in the Helbores. When hellguns finally get added they're gonna have to make sure they don't tread on the Helbore niche, which means they probably won't deal as much damage as them. It's gonna be the exact thing that happened with Bolt Pistol and Revolver

[sullen scarab]

Anything I can do with this roll? I know Thrust is kind of a trap on this but it's what I got lol

[fleet garden]

reroll thrust

reroll block

I dont know which mk maul is better yet though

[sullen scarab]

Reroll Block to Flak, Thrust to Skullcrusher, right

[fleet garden]

ive got this

will probably reroll thrust to something when I get another blessing, but the other maul feels better imo

[somber axle]

Just give them fantastic ADM vs Flak and Carapace, but make their per shot damage lower. You can do semi-auto variants that fire 1 shot at a time, 3 shot burst and if they feel spicy a full automatic version too. Give them reduced damage to Infested/Maniac to cement them as anti-armour weapons first and foremost while still giving them a unique damage profile weakness. Then have a blessing that increases cleave to let someone enjoy shots that penetrate to targets behind the first for funsies. Helbores keep their charged shot power, Hellguns get their own powerful niche that even sets them apart from Recons

[bleak cradle]

Am I just getting bad luck/interp? I am getting wrecked trying to interrupt ragers with the rashad push attack

[winter grove]

I think I got unluckiest enemy rng

[vivid cedar]

am loving the new bolt pistol for my comisar build, but it has... pitiful infested damage.

[winter grove]

There was fucking TRILLIONS of specials

[vivid cedar]

it takes more than half a mag to kill one burster

[winter grove]

Why are you shooting bursters

[vivid cedar]

because they are over there and i dont want to wait until they are right here.

[tall torrent]

It’s safest when u do it on their first atk

[echo pendant]

Idea for veteran cosmetic:

A small pox hound on your head

It also has jiggle physics

[winter grove]

Like Saltzpyre with a pig on his head?

[astral blade]

Hey question for my fellow vets

How is the sawn off shotgun

Or the 1 pump chump

[crude fiber]

The double barell was fun the 1 game I played with it. Run it with the reload on melee kill from weapon specialist and you can swap back and forth indefinitely

[twin cedar]

I have a combat axe with all 100% percent stats, and I’ve restarted my game to see if I’m tripping, however it didn’t change

[vivid cedar]

its definitely... odd, but pairs well with a melee focused build.

[flat pebble]

visual bug

[twin cedar]

Figured

[astral blade]

Soooo no one else think it’s a 1 pump chump the sawn off shotgun

Cause that’s what it is when ADS

[twin cedar]

Also why can’t I upload pictures n stuff?

[astral blade]

Seriously how can y’all call that a double barrel shotgun it’s clearly a sawn off shotgun

[twin cedar]

It has two barrels. Also is it any good?

[astral blade]

From what I’ve seen no

[twin cedar]

That’s kinda unfortunate

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ffs-baby-really-oh-god-just-stop-gif-20490509

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe one day well get an lmg and or a melta

You know. Novelties

[flat pebble]

how are these mutually exclusive

[astral blade]

Ok kids today we are going to learn the difference between a double barrel shotgun and a sawn off shotgun

[winter grove]

What do y'all think of the new mace?

[astral blade]

This is a sawn off shotgun

A sawn off shotgun is shorter than a double barrel shotgun

[flat pebble]

it’s literally a double barrel shotgun that has had its barrel shortened by sawing it. it doesn’t stop being a double barrel shotgun because it’s been shortened

are you special

[winter grove]

You do realised Double Barrel shotgun is a shotgun with TWO BARRELS

[astral blade]

This is a double barrel

See the difference yet

[flat pebble]

you’re dumb lol

[winter grove]

You're special, I see that

[somber axle]

A double barrel shotgun is a shotgun with two barrels. A sawn off shotgun is a shotgun where the length of the barrel has been cut away to a much shorter length. A Shotgun can have both 2 barrels and also have those barrels cut shorter. Your lesson should probably consider that these two things are not mutually exclusive. A weapon can be one. A weapon can be the other. The new weapon is both

[flat pebble]

this discord sometimes lol

[bitter turtle]

which begs the question

what would they call a sawn off single barrel shotgun

or a sawn off triple barrel shotgun like in resident evil 5

[somber axle]

Keep adding more barrels

[winter grove]

Clearly those are same guns without any difference

[flat pebble]

helldivers 2 just got a triple barrel sawn off

[somber axle]

This is my Felinid Shotgun!

[hearty panther]

meow

[winter grove]

Blasting a paw sized hole

[flat pebble]

is it called felinid because it’s a cute lil cat paw

[somber axle]

Yes

[austere pine]

what does the bolt pistol do well?

[winter grove]

BP is revolver with 3 more shots imho

[austere pine]

speed

[flat pebble]

also how do those hammers work they look like they’re in the normal double barrel shotgun spots but there’s five barrels

[flat pebble]

it’s a bolter with less bullets per mag, only semi auto, and better handling

[astral blade]

so y’all think I’m special just because I’m pointing out the difference between a double barrel shotgun and a sawed off shotgun

[flat pebble]

we think you’re special because you’re insisting they’re mutually exclusive and they’re not

[wraith lion]

Can I get a stat rating on a Bolt Pistol I just got from brunt

[astral blade]

Correction they are mutually exclusive not just because of the barrel size but because one of them has allot shorter of a range than what the other has plus the sawed off shotgun can be concealed and is also quite easier to manoeuvre

[torn gorge]

mobility/collateral are dump stats

[wraith lion]

So buy another bolt pistol

[somber axle]

If it makes you feel any better I don't think you're special. You're a normal dude. You're just a very misinformed dude and that is incredibly common

[flat pebble]

you either don’t know what mutually exclusive means or don’t know why a double barrel shotgun is called a double barrel shotgun

[bitter turtle]

i just want an explanation as to what you call this then

i would guess a single barrel sawn off shotgun but maybe im nuts

[wraith lion]

Sawn off single barrel shotgun

[bitter turtle]

[astral blade]

Correct

[bitter turtle]

yes

so you can be a double barrel shotgun

and a sawn off shotgun

at the same time, yes?

[somber axle]

Ohmygosh. If you saw off the length of the barrel on the Felinid Shotgun you can call it the

|| PAWN OFF SHOTGUN ||

[astral blade]

Fuck it imma peace out see you dumb fucks later

[bitter turtle]

just like how one can be a single barrel shotgun, and a sawn off shotgun at the same time

so they are not mutually exclusive

unlike what you said here

[somber axle]

No no your line was "I was just trolling LOL you guys really fell for it". You gotta stick to the script!

[wraith lion]

I take it Bolt Pistols can't roll ammo

[somber axle]

They cannot

[wraith lion]

Oh well, I got a roll where every stat is above 70%, I can live with that

[somber axle]

What you see is what you get and the only way to increase ammo is to take the +30% ammo talent in the Vet tree

[kindred vapor]

Is ghost any good with laspistols?

[wraith lion]

88 shots should be enough, I use shotguns all the time

hadron gives it +stamina

[bitter turtle]

its not just good

[wraith lion]

[bitter turtle]

it is one of the best blessings you can roll on it

along with dumdum

everything else is meh to trash

[wraith lion]

They're removing upgrade locks next update, thank god

[somber axle]

Yes. It has good synergy with Duck and Dive for providing stamina whenever you evade a ranged attack through Ghost's effect. That pairs very nicely with Deadshot. But even if you don't care about that talent synergy and/or prefer not to use Deadshot it still helps you stay in fights better avoiding gunners/shotgunners/reapers while shooting heads

I personally prefer Infernus + Dum Dum for my usual play with a Mk II Laspistol or Reassuringly Accurate + Dum Dum when running a medic talent build for team toughness restore but Ghost is definitely one of the good blessings to have

[wraith lion]

Gentlemen, it is perfect.

Except for +stam but I can fix it

[placid portal]

Yippie new update

So bolt pistol, what's the difference between boltgun

[sinful swallow]

Pistol has different (BETTER) blessings

Bur

[flat pebble]

less ammo per mag, no full auto, better handling

[sinful swallow]

It reloads and deploys much better but

No what

[flat pebble]

base difference, blessings are also sort of different

[sinful swallow]

That's cap on handling

[last parcel]

bro said better handling 💀

[somber axle]

Keep upgrading to gold and get Surgical to pair with Deadly Accurate. You can probably swap stamina too as long as you don't get something like Infested or Poxwalkers as your second perk

[fleet garden]

low skullcrusher but ima try it

[sinful swallow]

It's a close range gun

[flat pebble]

bolt pistol literally has better handling than the bolter i don’t understand what the confusion is here

[placid portal]

Shock maul is Universal melee?

[flat pebble]

you said deploy time, it’s literally the same thing

[sinful swallow]

Super suppressable, sways a good bit mid range even with Deadshot

[flat pebble]

what do you think handling means

[sinful swallow]

Handling isn't just deploy time

[placid portal]

I thought handling is the general ability to ADS, move the gun to switch between targets

[flat pebble]

because i’ve never played a game where handling and flinch have overlap

like in destiny handling is literally just how quickly you swap to the weapon and ads

inb4 irrelevant shit talking on destiny

[wraith lion]

Yeah I was gonna trade Stam for Flak and hope for maniac

[sinful swallow]

Try this on for size

Ignore surgical cause it's the slow version, use zarona if you're doing that

[wraith lion]

Might go Cara/Maniac

[flat pebble]

surgical is basically mandatory for bolt weapons, they’re built around making use of finesse

[sinful swallow]

Keep DA, use weap specialist and get close proximity or run and gun

[wraith lion]

I will be real with you
I am not a precision person I just shoot things in the chest at point blank half the time

[somber axle]

Boltgun gets 15 shots per clip, 100 shots in reserve
Boltpistol gets 8 shots per clip, 80 shots in reserve

Boltgun and Boltpistol both get a gun bash with solid stagger for their special attack

Boltgun does single shot fire on ADS, 2 shot burst on hip fire and if you hold down your attack keybind can go full auto and magdump into tougher targets

Boltpistol is exclusively single shot fire

Boltgun has very slow weapon swap speed and very slow reload speed

Boltpistol has fast weapon swap speed and slow-ish reload speed but is noticeably faster than Boltgun on reload too

Boltpistol has better sprint and dodge but has trickier recoil and suffers more from suppression than Boltgun

They're both strong weapons and I think most players will enjoy the snappier and faster mobility gameplay of Boltpistol vs the sluggish gameplay of Boltgun but if you prefer being a backline support shooter focusing on elites/specials the Boltgun will outperform the Boltpistol. The Boltpistol excels in run and gun, quick swap to delete a few specials/elites and quick reloads to adapt better to a chaotic battlefield while on the frontline

[wraith lion]

Surgical takes too fucking long to proc

[flat pebble]

you might not enjoy bolt pistol then i will be honest with you

[wraith lion]

Note: Boltpistol receives 100 rounds with the veteran ammo stat boost

[sinful swallow]

Pistol got the ass version of surgical

[nocturne mulch]

Recons are back on the menu boys

[wraith lion]

Nah, I liked uhh shotguns

[sinful swallow]

The .2 version is 100% with Deadshot by the time recoil resets

[wraith lion]

This is another high damage slow reload weapon

[flat pebble]

it’s not impossible but it’s a gun that meets breakpoints on headshots

[somber axle]

Boltgun has a deeper reserve because it also benefits from that talent but yeah

[wraith lion]

Love the animations on the bolt pistol too

[somber axle]

The point is that the Boltgun is a slower, heavier support weapon. The Boltpistol is the faster weapon that performs better when getting in the thick of it

[sinful swallow]

Yeah the bash fire is so good

[wraith lion]

When you flick the magazine just right and it bounces 👌

[bitter turtle]

technically there is a way to swap fast on bolter though

and no i dont mean exec

[placid portal]

So vet gets boltpistol and shotgun?

[flat pebble]

uhhh throwing knife?

[flat pebble]

yarp

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA8-mGQ1Tk

[wraith lion]

All lil'uns get the weapons from this update

[placid portal]

even shock maul and pickaxe?

[wraith lion]

Pickaxe is the only class restricted weapon

[flat pebble]

i don’t know what i just watched

[wraith lion]

Ogryn-only

[placid portal]

ok then vets get the shock maul?

[bitter turtle]

me swapping to bolter fast

on vet

[wraith lion]

Yeag

[placid portal]

Noice

new toys

[flat pebble]

is it because you didn’t swap fully to your melee

[bitter turtle]

no

its tech

have 1 round missing at least on your bolter

when you swap to it

[wraith lion]

I can't wait for the itemization update y'all they're removing item locks

[bitter turtle]

reload to cancel swap animation -> sprint to cancel reload animation

[flat pebble]

hmmm, i’ll have to try that out

[placid portal]

when did they update I've been on hiatus XD

[flat pebble]

today was the new update

[placid portal]

Epic

[flat pebble]

weapon crafting update is coming after summer allegedly

[bronze trout]

For any lasgun enthusiasts, do you guys like the MG IV or is it just me?

[bitter turtle]

i prefer it over the other two

[flat pebble]

it’s good

[bitter turtle]

mgla and mg4 are the better ones

mg12 is meh

[flat pebble]

i like all 3 infantry lasguns

mg12 has nice ohk bps

[placid portal]

Far far the MG12 has fallen XPPP

[atomic zephyr]

picking up the shock maul has made me realize how hard i was crutching on the power sword

i am not good at melee in this game

[celest rock]

Finally think I'm figuring out the Not-Doom-Shotgun in auric damn

[bronze trout]

I kind of switch between the Ia and IV, I think the 1a is slightly better but the IV is just way more fun to use

[bitter turtle]

la is better for actual precision sniping kinda stuff

i just spam on mg4

[bronze trout]

IV also feels like it has double the ammo over the Ia

[celest rock]

It wont be meta for every vet. But for stealth builds using weapon spec and agile engagement it'll work great

[bitter turtle]

yea you can hold down the fire button nearly the entire round and not run dry on 4

as i said, spam gun

its fun and p good at that, but all 3 of them suffer from real bad flak dmg

main downside of them

[placid portal]

Finally I can play minecraft in Darktide

[tame lodge]

(literally the name of the emoji)

[somber axle]

It's my fav tbh. Infinite ammo variant of the Infantry Lasguns. Very good mobility. It's the only Infantry Lasgun with instant sprint to fire. Lowest damage but with how fast the rate of fire is, it has comparable DPS to the Mg1a

The base model looks like actual trash though

Needs a weapon skin to make it look less like you pulled it out of a dumpster

[thin stone]

Guys is it normal if Hadron Bricks 5 VIIa Recon Lasguns in a row

[somber axle]

It is not a default model anyone but a rat could love

[thin stone]

All of them were 370+

[bronze trout]

Yeah I switch the cosmetic with my armor, wish there was a decent green color

[thin stone]

She did this after giving me a perfect roll on my Columnus IAG

[somber axle]

Maybe they'll release a weapon skin to match that armour eventually

[thin stone]

Wow that's a nice outfit

How did you get it?

[somber axle]

Helmet and chest piece are on Hallowette's right now

[thin stone]

Oh

Nvm then

[somber axle]

Legs are from an older paid cosmetic rotation

[thin stone]

I ain't paying money for an outfit

[somber axle]

That is fair

[placid portal]

Nobody will force you to, become the crackhead inquistor's killer

[thin stone]

What

[placid portal]

what?

[low inlet]

On a hellgun 👉🏼👈🏼

[somber axle]

Give us a power pack backpack too to complete the dream

[fleet garden]

melta

[somber axle]

pls

[bronze trout]

I wish the helmet was more like that

I prefer the full face mask but alas, I was holding out for the pure green heavy armor with the full green helmet that was already released but fatshark is holding on to the that set for the rest of time it seems

[harsh ridge]

sweet baby Emperor.. it's beautiful 🥹

[placid portal]

So recon las got anything good for them now?

[bronze trout]

Buffed but still not good

[harsh ridge]

dont care, I enjoy using them

[flat pebble]

goes against what i’ve heard, people seem to think they’re good now in chat

i haven’t tried them personally

[bronze trout]

I have tried them, noticeably worse then other mid options to me, but to each their own

[fleet garden]

shockmauls feel kinda mid to me

accatrans feel decent if you play with onslaught and like infernus

[winter grove]

Ius is still dogshit

Lmao

[elder dawn]

bolt pistol p good f

revolver still better tho

nerf that gun

[flat pebble]

bro is that the real johnny sins

[serene bough]

man

[modern crescent]

i can't believe they gave vet a melee weapon that one-shots maulers

[serene bough]

going from lasgun to bolt pistol is a sobering experience

[kindred vapor]

thats usually what I run

[atomic zephyr]

mfw i get downed by a single shotgunner while trying to revive an ally

new ending arena is tough

[serene bough]

infinite ammo and hundreds of shots per mag versus 8 shots that require weakpoints to 1hko

[flat pebble]

yeah bolt pistol is not exactly forgiving

i kept getting my shit pushed in by ragers with it

[serene bough]

Missing a weakspot knowing it'll take another 1-2 rounds to kill something is brutal when you consider that's almost half your mag size

[winter grove]

E1M1

[somber axle]

Sounds like your talent tree may be set up wrong tbh

I tested them in the Psykanium and they all have substationally better performance across the board and now no other automatic weapon can hold a candle to their ammo efficiency when paired with crit and shock trooper

[fleet garden]

I aint running shocktrooper

[somber axle]

Infantry Autoguns can do better DPS/TTK and chew through more of their clip and ammo to do it. Recons have good TTK/DPS and do it in half the ammo spent

[fleet garden]

need rending

[somber axle]

You will probably not enjoy a Recon Lasgun if you try to use a talent tree meant for a Revolver or Plasma gun with it

[fleet garden]

im running voc with focus, onslaught, infernus+crit, no shocktrooper

[somber axle]

Did you grab Rending Strikes at least

[fleet garden]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

Recons are pretty fun for MF to me, but onslaught is also a case in favor

[fleet garden]

rending+onslaught

[somber axle]

Ok well at least you're using rending

I need to toy with my Recon Mk VId more but the DPS is now significantly higher LOL

[flat pebble]

lets also see the mutie damage

[somber axle]

I did not record that but yes it would melt them

[flat pebble]

i wanna see how it performs with the new maniac modifier

[somber axle]

I can record that video when J get home in over an hour

The ADM on all Recons was buffed for Maniac damage

[flat pebble]

rip ill be a sleepy fellow by then

[somber axle]

Such is the life of the clown

[flat pebble]

ya ik i read the patch notes

[somber axle]

I am beholden to the digital circus

[flat pebble]

i have to wake up early in the morrow for a dr appt

rip

[somber axle]

The weird thing is that ammo spent is much higher too

I think I need to practice more with it

Going from 5 ammo spent per Crusher up to 10 ammo spent is wild considering nothing about the ammo efficiency was nerfed

It's probably something with a funky crit variance

I must experiment more with my Recons when I have more time

[flat pebble]

recon lasguns are so funny to me

just because of how bad they've been for so long and so everyone is invested in seeing them be good

testing them over and over after updates and with different builds

[rigid pilot]

I can finally dig out my patch13 recon again

[unreal bone]

BRO

WAKE THE FUCK UP BABES

[umbral scaffold]

It seems that uhhh

Both 7a and 6d have a crit string of 2 now

6d

7a

[flat pebble]

that might explain the increased ammo consumption cat was mentioning

[umbral scaffold]

Fatshark inverted the colours for some reason

Orange is crit atm

[flat pebble]

with consideration that they were probably using shock trooper

[umbral scaffold]

I am too

[flat pebble]

probably to match the updated hit markers

[umbral scaffold]

I think the 7a might've gotten a huge boost in ammo efficiency with it

Since I'm doing the stupid MF penance, I'm doing some matches spamming crit recon on hordes

[wide pike]

The new bolt Peestols any good?

[flat pebble]

there's just one bolt pistol and it's pretty good

[wide pike]

You know what I mean

Tyler

[flat pebble]

i actually didnt

i considered you might think there were multiple marks

sue me lol

[fleet garden]

hawk tuah, peestol is good

[wide pike]

You’ll be hearing from my lawers

[flat pebble]

i will introduce them to my moat full of alligators and people from new jersey

[wide pike]

They ain’t ready for my dog. Cupcake

[somber axle]

I loved them before they were buffed. I am happy they are buffed so now I see more Recon users in the wild. Laser vomit gun is fun. Turn matches into raves

[hidden badge]

Yep the ragers are fast as fuck now at least the unarmored ones

[umbral scaffold]

Right now my stupid recon-only meme is looking like this

[wide pike]

Goated?

[flat pebble]

anyway here;s the summary #veteran-class message

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/why-crying-emotional-tears-sobbing-gif-17306861

[hidden badge]

It's only stupid if it doesn't work and in that event Fatshark will probably hire you

[umbral scaffold]

And this is the gun

cookie-cutter

[flat pebble]

oh thats real nice

[fleet garden]

crabbuild?

lul

[wide pike]

Crit

[fleet garden]

crab

[umbral scaffold]

The idea is to say "fuck it lmao lol" to melee and use reciprocity to proc more recon crits for ammo economy

[flat pebble]

crabwalk sim build

[wide pike]

Kark?

[fleet garden]

crabwalk idd

[wide pike]

Tf is a Crabwalk💀💀🙏🙏

Mf you mean crouch walk for the watchamcallit

[flat pebble]

yes lol

[fleet garden]

what accatran are you using

this is my best VId but im rolling an mk II atm

[wide pike]

I put the J in genius if you couldn’t tell

[flat pebble]

gesus christ

[umbral scaffold]

I'm kinda curious about the mk2, but I really dislike the fire rate