veteran-class

[somber axle]

it would make them very funny for someone like me who is already doubling down hard on squeezing funny levels of damage/ammo efficiency from them

[rigid pilot]

Magsize increase is really decent though

[somber axle]

plus if they do get additional buffs beyond just clip size increase?

the clown gets FUNNIER

[junior needle]

Ammo pickups and surv are based on reserve ammo

Which mag size does not affect

[white minnow]

presumably it is more than just the ammo increase based on telo's stream but we know who to blame if it's bad

[somber axle]

That's fine

[junior needle]

A reserve buff would be useful

[somber axle]

Most of the ammo efficiency is from shock trooper and crit stacking

not from the nerfed surv aura

[junior needle]

With no other changes, it would not be fine.

[somber axle]

it would be a positive change for this clown

[junior needle]

They'd still be in the same hole

[somber axle]

anyone who dislikes Recons isn't going to look at them over a clip size buff alone but that's a gift for a clown

a very nice gift

[junior needle]

No one dislikes them for no reason

They're disliked because they're numerically poor, and people insist on using them despite that.

People who then do this.

Firing longer to avoid a very short reload is overall, really nothing

[somber axle]

I think the dislike comes mainly from how talent tax heavy a build stacking crit, rending and Shock Trooper is. It's not like you're going glass cannon to make them work. You can still and should still get Iron Will, Close Order Drill, Confirmed Kill and Focus Target + Target Down. All that adds up to solid toughness damage reduction and solid toughness regen not just for yourself but also squadwide through Target Down. The only thing you end up missing is Voice of Command and tbh that's not a dealbreaker

If you're not a stam curio stacking fiend like me you can even sneak in 1-2 toughness curios and work around them

it doesn't end up being nearly as glass cannon as it seems

[junior needle]

The talent taxes are part of it, but the reason it requires so much is that the baseline is so poor.

[somber axle]

The build is just very strict as far as how I've toyed with it, and doesn't leave room for extra points spent elsewhere

[junior needle]

Also, "works" and "is good" are very different

Going gray and talentless works

Going gray and talentless is not a good idea

[somber axle]

The problem is that people measure "good" by the metric of the Big Three: Plasma, Zarona Revolver, CIAG. And that's unrealistic to balance around. Those are clear outliers as far as performance. No other gun in the game can use a single "clip" and kill bosses like the Revolvers can. No other automatic weapon in the game, even other Infantry Autoguns, can compare to the sheer DPS output of the CIAG. No other gun can really do what Plasma does for longer sustained power shots putting down elites/specials in such rapid succession without fearing reloads other than Weapon Specialist Zarona Revolver and even then Revolver has to swap melee and slap poxwalkers before swapping back while Plasma just doesn't care

If you look at the performance of other mid-tier weapons they're fine

It's honestly why I want The Big Three nerfed

Then people will stop trying to hold other guns up to them for comparison

Bringing the top dogs in line with the rest of the arsenal would be leaps and bounds better for the overall class health/balance (even if the whining at the nerfs to the big three is never ending)

[junior needle]

It's not good by comparison to other, non meta guns either.

It's not even the best lasgun for clown setups

[grand perch]

I'd be ok with an ammo efficiency buff. Less ammo usage per shot, bigger total ammo pool so you get more per pickup

[somber axle]

I would disagree when it comes to Recon Mk VId and Recon Mk VIIa. The Recon Mk II definitely needs a love tap for buffs though

[junior needle]

No, your frame of reference is clown setups

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[junior needle]

stacking unrealistic amounts of damage does not make them good

Especially if your metric is crusher killing with a +carapace perk

[somber axle]

If you compare the Recon Mk VIIa to the Kantrael Infantry Lasguns they're pretty on par and the cleave/automatic fire sets it apart as unique compared to them while still benefiting from crit builds + shock trooper without needing to fall into onslaught so it becomes more open for talent builds compared to the Mk VId

The Recon Mk VIIa is probably the healthiest of the Recons

[grand perch]

They don't need to be amazing, but they need to be less of an ammo pack glutton

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId can be juiced into solid performance in Aurics so I consider it less of a problem

Recon Mk II is the only one that's really struggling

[junior needle]

The infantry lasguns have better overall ammo economy

[somber axle]

and someone did say that playtesters spoke to Fatshark who did listen to them when it came to talks about struggling weapons

so Fatshark is probably looking into Recons and Power Maul

[junior needle]

"Can be juiced by taking clown setup" does not excuse poor baseline performance or with normal setups.

[somber axle]

Yes but the Recon Mk VIIa can shoot through Ogryns

That makes it distinct

[junior needle]

How nice.

Anyway

[somber axle]

Gives it delicious unique flavour that the Infantry Lasguns can't compare to

[rigid pilot]

I remember recon having better recoil than iLas

[somber axle]

I think if you treat the Recon Mk VIIa as an automatic crit stacking weapon meant for aiming heads it becomes a very solid weapon

[junior needle]

They do, the recoil on the ilas and a lot of guns needs to be looked at

The whole system needs to be redone because it's ridiculous, the sights don't like up with where it shoots

[junior needle]

It's still comparatively quite weak on a baseline, even if you use it the way you should (the vast majority of people do this)

The numbers do not lie

The entire line is being carried into being somewhat acceptable solely by shock trooper

[somber axle]

At this point I'm not even sure clown setup is a negative thing. I don't think you or anyone else could point to the build and say anything about it is wrong other than the 4 points spent for just Onslaught or Exe Stance and tbh Exe Stance hate is kinda silly. It's not nearly as powerful as a team support tool or survivability tool compared to Voice of Command but that's not what it's for. People rightfully look at breakpoints and that's the correct call on semi-automatic weapons but when it comes to automatics you have to look less at breakpoints and more at TTK because measuring the exact frame by frame number of shots fired/ammo spent is going to have wild variance based on crits/shock trooper procs

[somber axle]

Also yes you have to remember that the lasguns are balanced around that

Just because someone chooses not to use Shock Trooper doesn't mean the devs can ignore it exists and affects balance exclusively for Lasguns

[junior needle]

The other lasguns were usable before that ca,e

Even quite good

Only recons are balanced around that, and only slightly because they're still doing poor

[somber axle]

Yeah I'm aware. Helbores are bonkers level of power and the Kantrael Mk XII was the best Vet weapon during beta/early launch days

But times change and weapons do too

[junior needle]

Laspee as well was also good

It's not nearly as powerful as a team support tool or survivability tool compared to Voice of Command

I don't think you or anyone else could point to the build and say anything about it is wrong

I'm largely unconcerned about whether someone chooses a clown setup

Or takes exe

Even if I like having overshield

The issue I'm talking about is that other guns can get clown levels of damage output without the clown setup, and the recons are requiring an inordinate amount of juice to perform.

No, it's not just "da meta" guns.

I believe I showed you this before but I'll pull it up again

#veteran-class message

Here was a no ammo used challenge from awhile back with just a 1a, not even the most ammo efficient ilas.

I mostly did lazy bodyshots with it.

ACtually let me find the first time I posted it, I explained my whole process

[last parcel]

i should run mercy killer with puncture boltpistol as my only source of bleed

[junior needle]

#veteran-class message

#veteran-class message

It was actually a ghost infernus setup

[somber axle]

I think the devs look at the whole picture when looking at a weapon and beyond just the blessings available, they're probably looking more at the role they want the weapon to perform. I don't think they really look at baseline grey performance because no one does that ever outside of funny challenge runs

Helbores have awful reload speed and weapon swap speed. In the Mk III's case it also has a pretty slow/bad special attack. They have to have their shots charged to fire for any real impact. There's a slew of reasons why the weapons are ok performing as they do. Their mobility is also pretty awkward. Bad dodge distance/speed imo and they drain stamina REALLY fast trying to bayonet charge with them. They feel like their intended role is backline shooter weapons that can go melee in a pinch

Infantry Lasguns have probably the fastest snap fire kills of any of the Lasguns. The speed you can flick to a head and put a target down with the rifles (even the Mk IV) lets you react faster than the Helbores. They have less ammo efficiency than the Helbores (Surgical + Shock Trooper is king) but they make up for it by having better reload speeds, better swap speeds and in the Mk IV's case instant sprint to fire. The Infantry Lasguns feel like they're meant to be the most adaptive of the Lasguns to fill the role as either a frontline shooter or backline shooter

Laspistol Mk II (idk what the Mk X is even good at LMFAO) has the fastest swap, fastest reload and the best mobility of all the Lasguns iirc. Dodging/sprinting with the Laspistols feels REALLY GOOD. They're just not punching in the same weight class per shot compared to either of the prior two classes of Lasguns and match their DPS through solid finesse values and fire rate to reward consistent headshots while probably having the steepest drop in damage if you're just bodyshotting anything other than a Mauler. It feels intended for a very quick run and gun playstyle

The question is what the devs wants as far as the role for Recons

And right now I think that role is "the clown weapon" so I'm happy to oblige. Because most people turn their noses up at the Recons, but I adore them

[junior needle]

No one can say, since fatshark drags their feet hardcore about doing anything.

Also yes, baseline statistics matter when comparing guns, because damage boosts multiply the effectiveness of the baseline.

[woeful ibex]

you think they would keep the recon once the Hosthot lasgun is out?

[somber axle]

Oh absolutely

No weapon will ever be deleted

[junior needle]

They should've deleted power cycler but they didn't

[somber axle]

I think they matter as far as determining builds because a weapon with strong ADM can ignore rending but a weapon with weak ADM will find a LOT more value from rending

[junior needle]

So either they're unable or unwilling to do that kind of thing

[somber axle]

And those design choices are intentional

I think the talent tree is meant for players to feel the weaknesses and strengths of a weapon and either double down on strengths or try to cover up the weaknesses

[woeful ibex]

I got this theory the hotshot lasgun would have to charge up before firing and overheat system

[somber axle]

the problem is that certain weapons just don't have any significant weaknesses, especially when you talent away the few negligible weaknesses they would otherwise have

[frank ether]

man

patch aint even out

[woeful ibex]

that way Recon Lasgun is still sort of viable

[frank ether]

I'm already bored to death discussing it

[junior needle]

hotshot =/= hotshot volley gun

[woeful ibex]

I know

[somber axle]

are you aware of the 4 types of fun

[woeful ibex]

But its still automatic laser weapon given DOW 1 featured it

[junior needle]

One of the mods gave a very uh

Questionable response about the prospect of a hotshot volley making it in

[somber axle]

If you look at Darktide and feel Type 3 fun

it's time to play another game

[junior needle]

Said something about it being unlikely due to "ogryn design space"

[woeful ibex]

what

[somber axle]

I didn't even know the 4 types of fun when I quit WoW or LoL but I still knew when to leave those games

[frank ether]

what is fun? And why does sweden want me off of it?

[somber axle]

idk what sweden is doing but I've seen your pizzas so I'm scared to ask what is considered fun there

[frank ether]

hey I only make the finest pizza and pasta, and well, the occasional slop

[somber axle]

Pineapple is actually fine

I like pineapple

but BANANA AND CURRY ON IT TOO??

[last parcel]

banana isn't that bad

[frank ether]

I'm trembling

[somber axle]

that's a mod and I don't really consider them anything more than the hall monitors of this space

I don't think any of them are really involved with the actual design of the game

[gaunt hinge]

Any lock removers in chat

[junior needle]

At least one of them says he's part of the balance team and they most definitely are playtesters

[somber axle]

playtester =/= designer

[junior needle]

He also works on the the game, from his admittance to trying to fix the tooltip number values for weapons.

[somber axle]

being the first line of QA for the dev team (assuming they are that) isn't being involved in making the decisions of what weapons get in, how they get in, what they should be when they get in, what priority certain weapons have in the pipeline, etc.

they're not really involved in any of the major decisions of what/when/where/why

[junior needle]

You've missed the point

[somber axle]

the only thing they're vaguely influencing is the "how" after those have been answered

I don't even think the mods are a mouthpiece for the devs either

[junior needle]

This is someone who seems to clearly have an idea of what the developers are thinking

[woeful ibex]

Ice is a Fatshark employee right?

[somber axle]

yeah that's also not indicative of any involvement in the decision making process

[junior needle]

Including from other statements

[woeful ibex]

I thought he was moderator right?

[junior needle]

I never said it was, you can know what people are thinking and tell others about it without having a say yourself

[serene bough]

<@&1016280507073441843> Heyo, popping in here to clear up a couple things. As mentioned last week, we are continuing to iterate on the system with further player feedback and testing. The article shared an outdated WIP and it does not represent the final version.
I can let you in on this secret though: we are removing the locks. 🔓

[white minnow]

nah he's just a discord moderator and not an employee

[serene bough]

Nice

Goodbye locks

[woeful ibex]

ah ok

thanks

[somber axle]

I don't think that's indicative of knowing what the dev team as a whole are thinking either

[junior needle]

Moderator on the channel, definite playtester, admits to changing things for the game so he clearly at least does some grunt work

[somber axle]

and even then

[junior needle]

You're trying very hard to play devils advocate over this

[somber axle]

I don't think most of the dev team are even involved in the decision making for the game

[woeful ibex]

ah ok and is that "Final"

[somber axle]

there are people making the game, and there are the shotcallers telling them what to make for the game

that's not a shotcaller

[serene bough]

Why are you two always engaged in very long discussions

[junior needle]

It's a statement that could be but also is subject to NDA so anything factual he says will have to be "well maybe, probably, possibly"

[somber axle]

we argue like a divorced couple and it's mostly because we're both stubborn

[serene bough]

Cease your stubbornness and celebrate the removal of locks

[junior needle]

It's because I have objectively correct opinions

[serene bough]

Praise be

[somber axle]

I like being simple though

people get complex and they're hard to follow

[serene bough]

Soon recon will be meta

[somber axle]

also nah not devil's advocate, that's the wrong term
the right term is skeptic and I'm very skeptical of someone who isn't even on the design team with questionable understanding of what the design team may or may not be working on

not to disparage their help on the game

[junior needle]

Playtesters communicate with the team, crab is literally the person who suggested the new design for the mk6 power sword with its blocking efficiency bonus and block canceling

[somber axle]

but they're not a dev

[junior needle]

He boasted about it in the chat

[somber axle]

yeah devs can take feedback and listen

that's normal (even if it feels rare)

[junior needle]

Yeah, they can also tell people what they're thinking at the time

[somber axle]

devs take that feedback and shove it to their team management who forwards it to whatever leadership is over their head

[junior needle]

Nothing is set in stone but it's a good insight into how the internal decision making looks

[somber axle]

like there was an Overwatch youtuber who was in talks with Overwatch devs and said that his videos are literally shown in meetings to show an informed opinion on balance and direction

that's fine

and kinda expected of any dev team with a finger on the pulse of their community

[junior needle]

Riot also does this with league pros

Who get invited to test new champions

[somber axle]

Yeah it's a good practice to have

The people who spend bonkers levels of time, effort and numbers crunching to min-max

The people who are literally making metas happen

Those are the ones who know the game balance better than the dev team itself

[junior needle]

While skepticism is fine, there's no reason to think that it's inconceivable for the devs to talk candidly with playtesters, especially hired ones who are clearly doing work on the game.

And moderating the official discord

And under NDA

[somber axle]

I think if I had to guess Fatshark has whoever wrote the Ogrynomicon on speed dial to talk with

[junior needle]

One of them is a mod

Yes, one of the authors of the ogrynomicon

There's multiple though

[somber axle]

I think that skepticism that one person, even that involved, may have opinions not entirely in line with the whole dev team and their management

I'm sure they have a few pros at the game on a more direct line to communicate with but whoever they are definitely keep that hush hush

[junior needle]

What I'm saying is it's probably not "an opinion"

But an nda compliant statement

[somber axle]

And I don't think it is

[junior needle]

Meant to inform others

why

[somber axle]

Because trying to be sneaky and look for a verbal loophole around an NDA isn't a good practice? LOL

that stuff is taken pretty seriously

[junior needle]

Plenty of people do it

[somber axle]

don't mess with legal

for example

[woeful ibex]

thanks

[somber axle]

Uncle Dane in TF2 was a major youtuber and a pro at the Engineer class. He got very NDA stuff leaked by accident when he showed off new game stuff to friends and one of those friends recorded and leaked the info

Now Steam is hands off with him

If you mess with an NDA, you get burned

Bridges get burnt that don't get rebuilt ever

[last parcel]

ankel dan is veri gud engine man

[somber axle]

I love him tbh

if TF2 weren't a bot disaster I'd probably still play

[junior needle]

Are you aware that saying "possibly maybe in the future" about something in writing is very, very different from leaking actual gameplay and footage

[somber axle]

but the spycrab life is one I have left behind for good unless by some miracle TF2 cures itself

but wow I miss spy shenanigans

[somber axle]

I am yes, I am also aware that discussing literal NDA-related things even vaguely is not something someone would do casually and publicly

which is why I don't think this is NDA

and why I don't think this is even related to dev team or management

but more a vibe he may have gotten talking with others

and a vibe does not make a conclusive statement

[woeful ibex]

IF he can say something freely

I would assume 50/50 legit or misleading?

[junior needle]

He actually could, if he's not under NDA or the same kind of NDA

Also yes, you absolutely can if you're engaging in conjecture

[somber axle]

Even if it's legit it speaks to a snapshot perspective of opinions/vibes he's felt from specific dev team members he has spoken to, and I doubt he's involved in management team meetings involved in the overall planning pipeline of the game

[junior needle]

There's legal gray areas, even assuming people have your ass stamped down

[somber axle]

And snapshot perspectives only show an idea of where the thought process is in a moment

but those are rarely final

[junior needle]

This is fair, but also it could be final or at least an enduring opinion

[somber axle]

Ian Hozikostas said "if you want fair skinned elves the horde is right there" then years later Blizz caved and gave Void Elves light skin tones, blue eyes and non-tentacle hair

Nothing is really final when someone above a mouthpiece has a different say

[junior needle]

It's still worth noting as a possible insight into how things are going

[somber axle]

I think the biggest insight to Fatshark thoughts would be dev blogs tbh

[junior needle]

Or the thought processes behind the team, which can vary very considerably from how the players expect

[somber axle]

or looking at balance patches

when numbers get tuned you can feel the direction the devs want to take things

[junior needle]

Devs blogs are sterilized and don't tell you anything they don't want you to know

[somber axle]

Yes but from that info we can get a concrete idea on ideas they do want us to know

[junior needle]

If they were never going to add a volleygun, they wouldn't tell you

[somber axle]

I don't think the word never exists in gaming tbh

[junior needle]

Yes, those ideas are ||next week, next month, next season, also buy more slop||

[somber axle]

I do actively want some nice Commissar slop to wear for Bolt Pistol

I've got the Rogue Trader stuff and some nice Cadian Commissar looks + black leather Commissar looks

but I want more

[junior needle]

slop addicts should be sacked

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/estas-muerto-gif-10303465291285402256

[somber axle]

if I'm put in a sack and dropped in a river I'll come out the other side clown breakdancing 100% alive and fine ready to buy more slop

[junior needle]

Whales encourage so much bad behavior from game companies

[somber axle]

Yes and no

Live service games and subscription based games live and die on the money they generate

[junior needle]

good thing this is a buy to play game

And there's no live service

[somber axle]

SWTOR is a dying creature because it kept disappointing people until enough whales moved on and they didn't have the resources they needed to make anything more than an xpac that had less than an hour and a half of playtime and a broken dungeon with zero end game content

[junior needle]

swtor was also a bad game

It's the tortanic for a reason

[somber axle]

it was a beautiful game imo

the base game storylines were wonderful

[somber axle]

The Imperial Agent storyline is one of the best MMORPG choose your own adventure stories I've ever played

I think it might be THE best choose your own adventure game story I've ever played in the MMO space

A lot of the stories for the base game actually hold up even today

I think the xpacs and the end game content for the base game are where they flubbed it hard

[junior needle]

Game is not composed only of storylines

[coral bloom]

If ESO didn't have the shit dual bars gotta swap weapon constantly design I would prob play ESO regularly

[junior needle]

But I was also not a fan of the gameplay

[somber axle]

if you also mean gameplay I have very fond memories of healing as a Commando with a TF2 style cannon shooting a medibeam LOL
and fun PvP times as a Vanguard beating Sith to death with the butt of my rifle or doing sneaky shenanigans as an Imperial Agent Operative stealthing in and ruining people

the game was very, very fun imo

was

I hated what they did to Revan tbh

but the gameplay, story, etc. were pretty solid for a Star Wars MMO

I also really loved the early flashpoints giving you special interactable environmental objects tied to your crew skills

a shame they stopped doing that fun stuff

there were a lot of really fun ideas that just sorta died

OH ALSO THE FUNNY MOMENT OF LIKE
sweating internally being the only Imperial side player to pick Light side, winning the roll, and forcing the group to do the Light side story decision path for a flashpoint

the only part I could never really get over is how SWTOR is too SHINY

everything looks like it's covered in vaseline

even the awful swamps where stuff is run down and rotting/decaying

I did go back when they made combat classes separate to story classes

[somber axle]

Sniper Trooper time

[somber axle]

Yeah but Soldier 69 I got to dress up as Havoc Squad and roll behind cover, use a blaster rifle and shoot targets while romancing Aric Jorgan

and for that one moment returning to the game I could love it like I once did

then I finished the base game story and stopped LOL

[junior needle]

I understanding nothing of your newfangled zoomer slang

[somber axle]

the xpac stories are just so, so bad

[near wyvern]

Man, I just liked playing scoundrel and kicking people in the balls lol

[somber axle]

YEAH THAT TOO LMFAO

[near wyvern]

Smuggler is funny

[somber axle]

kick someone in the balls, walk up behind them, double barrel sawed off shotgun to the back of the head

also yeah my standards are very, very low

[last parcel]

i don't remember anything besides shooting a kid's traitor father in front of him

that was fun

[somber axle]

if you know what the Havoc Squad set looks like in game for SWTOR you'd understand how low they were and still are

[near wyvern]

Bounty Hunter, most likely

[somber axle]

that set was more of a disappointment than my ex

and that's a very hard bar to beat

look how they massacred my baby

[odd sparrow]

unfortunately the real problem is that most whales are people with mental illnesses that compulsively buy things. Rarely are whales rich people who also happen to play ideo games

[near wyvern]

I would just kitbash fits together

I never bothered with full sets

[somber axle]

Armour on the thighs doesn't even cover the whole thigh
No hip-armour
Triangle thingie is too big
No Republic Insignia on the pauldrons
Instead of having the protective covering above the helmet visor they put dumb goggles

so, so many design flaws

[somber axle]

I mean as far as I'm aware I have no mental illnesses

[junior needle]

Diagnosed mental illnesses*

[somber axle]

I've never been diagnosed with anything yeah

[junior needle]

Compulsive spending is a very common untreated problem

Impulse buying as well

[odd sparrow]

and according to big business they are just happy costumers

[somber axle]

I think it's only an issue if your spending begins to negatively affect your life. If you spend beyond your means and it begins to lower your standard of living you've gone too far. If it begins to harm you and others close to you it has gone too far. I just like spending a little money on cute things to wear

[odd sparrow]

waiting to be exploited

the problem is most whales are exactly that second group where they might start gambling or "loaning" money from friends or stealing their parents credit cards to fuel their addictions. CS:GO is a major example of this, getting countless kids into gambling

[somber axle]

Yeah that is definitely a problem

But I don't do gambling ever

[odd sparrow]

same

[somber axle]

I even refused to do SWTOR lootcrates

I do not touch lootboxes

ever

[odd sparrow]

but not everyone has impulse control

[somber axle]

As a Vegas resident I know that the only winner in gambling is the house

The House Always Wins

[odd sparrow]

only lootboxes i open are free ones

[somber axle]

SWTOR is also kinda baby easy to earn credits in

just buy the premium outfits on the GTN using credits

[odd sparrow]

altho i did buy packs in a digitall card game one time

[last parcel]

nuh uh i shoved a golf club through his urethra

[somber axle]

like a bowling ball down a garden hose

[thin stone]

sus

[somber axle]

tbh the funniest way to deal with House is to eat him

[near wyvern]

I bet he tastes like dry dirt

[odd sparrow]

eating the rich is an extremely valid solution

[somber axle]

open the door for lunch
crack open this old man and monch

[odd sparrow]

normalize eating rich people

[near wyvern]

Man, the mention of swtor got me sifting through my screenshots and shit

I miss the game T^T

[somber axle]

it's extra funny killing him now looking at him as that universe's Elon Musk because when he dies he has "AND THE WORLD LOST THE BEST MAN THAT EVER LIVED" message that automatically broadcasts to EVERYONE LMFAO

[near wyvern]

I can't work up the drive to play it

[somber axle]

I understand

I pushed myself to play it one more time

I think it's genuinely on its way out and headed on the way to die City of Heroes style

only when it finally properly gets shut down

no one is bringing it back

no one is buying it

it will stay dead unless someone makes a private server and by some miracle evades legal teams

Play it one more time to get out the urge to see it again

Get closure and say good bye

You'll be fine with the weird news that it shut down years later if you get out the last need to play

[odd sparrow]

god i hate the fact that online video games are just unpreservable because companies are the real kings these days

[near wyvern]

I just miss the dumb outfits I had for my smuggler

[somber axle]

dude if I have autism that will be wild

idk what autism even is

[near wyvern]

It'll depend on which flavor of it you get

[junior needle]

Nobody does apparently

[junior needle]

Tiktok fakers think it means you act like a child and need sippy cups

[lime gyro]

Tiktok is brainrot so

[odd sparrow]

tiktok brainrot is terrible

[junior needle]

Because your lips are SO SENSITIVE AND STIMMIES UWU OWO

[somber axle]

The best way I've read it described is if you and only you lacked the ability to read minds or have your mind read in a world where anyone and everyone else can have their own minds read and read each other's minds. People naturally communicate in a way you're just oblivious to. You guess correctly sometimes and manage to make it passable. Other times you guess what they're thinking and get it totally wrong. Most times people just wonder why you can't do something that everyone else does naturally

[near wyvern]

My brain is a sponge that absorbs random bits of trivia that are completely worthless and inapplicable to anything in the real world

And references that no one gets

[odd sparrow]

pretty close to my experience.

i usually describe it as everyone else got a manual for how to be human, apparently mine went missing

[near wyvern]

Left it in your other pants

[somber axle]

I got the manual on how to be human, laughed, tossed it over my shoulder and put on a clown costume

But I remember the manual well enough to pretend to be normal at work and in day to day life outside of friend groups

[inland orchid]

you must have some advanced echolocation to read a book by laughing

[somber axle]

Sneaky Bat

The Trapper and Sniper combo when they catch me:

https://fixupx.com/neunhofferart/status/1805098655692775682

[odd sparrow]

hilarious

[near wyvern]

That is the best "Me when I fucking GET you" kind of clip I've seen in a while

[somber axle]

I think we need an arena like the Carnival that releases more specials and elites

I want an end map event that spawns ragers, maulers, bulwarks, reapers and crushers

give me cabin in the woods style "every elevator just opened"

https://tenor.com/view/cabin-in-the-woods-attack-scp-scpfoundation-gif-13599192

ok so we kinda get that with the Karnak Twins

[pastel geode]

I’m probably late to the party but thank god they’re going to remove the locks

[somber axle]

BUT GIVE ME MORE

[somber axle]

what does that mean

[near wyvern]

The Locks™️

[last parcel]

they're taking away my cock lock 🙏

[pastel geode]

The locks on perks and blessings when you modify them

[near wyvern]

Y'know

[somber axle]

OH THAT'S REALLY NICE

[near wyvern]

The things that stop you from making your weapons actually good

[somber axle]

I will suddenly have a LOT less bricks

[near wyvern]

Samesies

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-throw-screaming-cat-me-when-i-get-this-guy-gif-13565205305746332932

[near wyvern]

So many 370+'s that I got screwed out of being able to use due to Hadron's quirky crafting shenanigans

[somber axle]

I'm going to have a weird number of 550 Recon Mk VIds

[bitter turtle]

Locks removed

But now they add t5 blessings and you only have a 1% chance to roll t5 as a whole, split between every blessing

And they're twice as good as t4

[odd sparrow]

doubled to 2% if you own imperial edition

[somber axle]

Add in a 1% chance to roll a single stat at random up to 100% and you have the perfect way to make someone's eyes bleed trying to roll the perfect weapon

[bitter turtle]

Also every few month they add limited blessings with a 0.5% roll rate that are only available in that window, like Power Cycler+, which makes the special action permanently charge your sword

[odd sparrow]

god i love fomo mechanics

[bitter turtle]

There's your live service fomo event

[coral willow]

guys

tips to leveling up

where can i get it

[mental cloud]

Like to level 30?

@coral willow

[coral willow]

yes

[mental cloud]

Quick play, hardest difficulty you can manage, curios with the extra experience buff.

[odd sparrow]

buy curios and add exp on them when available

also maelstrom gives absurd amounts of exp if you can handle it

[mortal orbit]

500 aquila per level boost when

[coral willow]

i hate leveling up

[fathom notch]

redhead
no soul
corruption

checks out

[mental cloud]

That’s true if you can catch a malice maelstrom that good. And I do too, I have an ogryn I need to level up lol

[mortal orbit]

Hey, js. Im about to hop on. Ill carry

[ancient raptor]

ready for the itemization update

[coral willow]

"we introduce plasteel 2"

[fathom notch]

[stark hollow]

Emperor's balls

[ancient raptor]

that would be bad

[stark hollow]

"you now need to find adamantine to remove locks"

or some shit like that

[ancient raptor]

also laspistol is hella slept on

[stark hollow]

me like other laspistol

[mental cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-no-no-god-please-no-gif-25861594

[ancient raptor]

bolt pistol

[stark hollow]

give Ogryn a storm bolter he has been good

[ancient raptor]

i this update i want to see some buffs and nerfs too

[stark hollow]

nerfs?

[ancient raptor]

plasma gun

[stark hollow]

eh

just make the other weapons better

[round jetty]

what time is the update today

[stark hollow]

apparently in 3.5 hours

[minor aurora]

Anyone know of a mod that changes your fov when equipping a ranged wep? Not when ads.
I play with max fov and using the plasma gun, it can't ads.

[ancient raptor]

i want them to add red tier weapons honestly

like vm2

[stark hollow]

$5 says red tier will come with new currency

[stark hollow]

nope

[lyric dock]

So just heard the news. Item locks are being yeeted

[safe terrace]

yo guys

my veteran drip looks weird

[coral willow]

theres something stupid

about this look

[woeful ibex]

some reason reminded me of Anastasia

[somber axle]

Soldier 69 made a Laspistol Mk II build that kills Crushers with 3600 DPS and only 2 ammo spent

But it uses Marksman's Focus and the talent node that gives 10% rending at 10 stack MF so mileage varies

[lyric dock]

Laspistol has been my go to range weapon for Vet

[somber axle]

From what I can tell... Deadshot, Opening Salvo, Marksman, For the Emperor, Dum Dum, Longshot, Kill Zone... probably also Rending Strikes and Bring It Down

I think the talent tree he used was like this?

but you'd need to double check with him to know for sure

His Laspistol also probably had +25% Carapace as a perk

though this is for a funny Psykanium meme and while it's useable it sacrifices Exe Stance refresh and lacks grenade regen

fingers crossed they make 5 sec refresh on highlight kill baseline

then Exe Stance will be a little less talent tax-y

[ancient raptor]

im using frags, shout with focus target

and all the meta perks

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that was a psyk warrior showcase and that setup is not recommended for actual play because it's silly

[frank ether]

grimsilly tier build

[junior needle]

this was the setup #veteran-class message

[somber axle]

Are you sure? You get Confirmed Kill in your buffs

Unless it was a weird visual bug

[junior needle]

Probably not confirmed kill

The weakspot one

[ancient raptor]

i was in a match with a +680 +240 and +300 and we still lost they did so many rookie mistakes wtf

[somber axle]

Exil Takedown has a different buff appearance

Could have been a weird visual bug

I did my last match of the night on my Exe Stance Boltgun build just to get me in the mood for tomorrow with Boltpistol play

[junior needle]

I could have repathed for that one to make it more functional

You're correct it does look like CK

[frank ether]

vet should be able to make it work regardless

[somber axle]

You could toss Camo for Demo Team and make it a somewhat functional build to run for Aurics

[frank ether]

and if not

I'll go back to boltgun

exe or voc either way you have a way of weapon swapping in peace when you need to

[somber axle]

Swap Camo to Demo Team
Change Longshot/Exile Takedown to Close Quarters Drill/Confirmed Kill

Then it just becomes a normal Exe Stance/MF Laspistol talent tree

[frank ether]

If you're gonna barrel things longshot path doesnt do much

[somber axle]

It was for the extra DPS to dunk on me LOL

Psykanium Warrior shenanigans

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/dunk-gif-21755298

[frank ether]

I think most my builds just take close q and confirmed kill now

but I've been mostly playing with premades

[somber axle]

I like taking Out for Blood instead sometimes

[frank ether]

I can reliably make use of cq drill

[sinful swallow]

I wish I could take it more often

[frank ether]

out for blood is strong

[somber axle]

Even in quickplay with a squad of all randoms you can usually still get a lot of value out of close quarters drill

[sinful swallow]

It's the stupid stam node being in the middle

[frank ether]

problem is going that path guarantees I have to go iron will

[somber axle]

I love it for melee focused Vet builds

[frank ether]

I think if the infiltrate TDR node was built in by default I would go out for blood a lot more often

[somber axle]

Just run triple Stam curios and then take Confirmed Kill anyway for the Stam node too

[frank ether]

I think right path build has a lot of dead nodes

[somber axle]

I'm going to put +2 Stam on my Recon when the locks are lifted

I will have the most stamina anyone has ever had

[coral willow]

nah

highlight on baseline and you can select if you reload all your shots on activation or you get the extension

i'd take that

[last parcel]

[frank ether]

one thing I noticed in particular is

most people will say the highlight is why they use exe

not like other effects are noticeable to someone not paying attention anyway

[rigid pilot]

highlight

[frank ether]

but highlight is the neuron activation thing of exe

[sinful swallow]

I run 3 +3 lmao

[ancient raptor]

just go with shout it's too useful

and low cd

[coral willow]

shout dont net you more kills

[somber axle]

+3 +3 +3
Vet is not a big fan of the government

[frank ether]

exe + deadshot would be too much of a clown fiesta for me

last time I tried a build like that I had less toughness than my gunker

[ancient raptor]

the important thing is winning imo

[somber axle]

Where we're going we don't need toughness

[coral willow]

which is why moar kills!!!!!

[ancient raptor]

update when ?

[frank ether]

when obese fish feels like it

[sinful swallow]

June 25..... 2025

[winter grove]

Okay I decided to do the vet with plasma and powersword because I wanna see how build 90% of vets I meet in quickplay feels like

Do y'all have anything for that?

[ancient raptor]

i find that build pretty boring

[hearty panther]

I'd rather snort ambien

[ancient raptor]

only noob veterans use it honestly

[winter grove]

Just curious how it plays

[lusty sapphire]

It's just unga bunga you shouldn't have any issues with anything that spawns on the map

[frank ether]

I can not speak for I will be executed

[lusty sapphire]

Take wallhacks and kill everything in sight. If things come close again slash everything in sight

[ancient raptor]

?????

[winter grove]

Say it :)

[ancient raptor]

tell us

[lusty sapphire]

We are all rejects here

You can surely trust us

[frank ether]

I wish all plas/psword mains a very safe and happy day 🙂

[ancient raptor]

thought he had a super op build

meh

[frank ether]

do you really need spoonfeeding for those weapons

throw it in any build

they work

if you really want to optimize I guess you can get mk6 to one shot crushers with push attack

[mortal orbit]

@winter grove i know you

From elden ring discord

[ancient raptor]

creepy

[mortal orbit]

Or that name is mainstream

[ancient raptor]

you can check if he's in the same discord servers you are

[mortal orbit]

Left it awhile ago, so rip

[winter grove]

Huh.

He's in the walls

[mortal orbit]

Yes. Gary busey style

[junior needle]

What if his name was Gary Bussy

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-27081893

[hearty panther]

what if no

[sharp ember]

the mad lads finally did it

[iron marten]

oh shit

[lyric dock]

Now we wait for the patch notes to see what got buffed, Nerfed, or gutted

[serene bough]

im sure uncanny strikes has been touched

[oblique horizon]

We cooking?

[dreamy lantern]

i've been sat on these changes for months they're finally here

[oblique horizon]

Are they good?

[dreamy lantern]

no i made them worse because i thought it would be funny

[oblique horizon]

You fuck

[hearty panther]

damn thems some buffs

20rps lmao

[oblique horizon]

For the fastest firing one btw

[hearty panther]

i feel like we're reaching the limit of what the engine can process for fire rate

[oblique horizon]

Juicy mag size at 200 max though

And generally bigger ammo pool, up to 1k from 720 max, noice

[tame lodge]

Recon buff

[wanton dawn]

Sunder buff

[tame lodge]

It's so over
We're so back

Hold up

That's tons of RoF for the 6d

Weapon Specialist here I go

[wanton dawn]

Sunder giving 20% increased heavy damage on top of current effect

[last parcel]

[wanton dawn]

Indirect buff to ogryn aura

[coral willow]

so

sunder

now i run sunder on my mk3 then?

fun

sunder

feel the thunder

fuck it

[junior needle]

Why have they been sat on for months

Sunder was already good

You could've ran it the whole time

[dreamy lantern]

comfy

[tame lodge]

Also Paul buff, I'm expecting more Ogryn players, this is definitely going to go well

[wanton dawn]

Sunder did not need buff but hey

[last parcel]

point blank and take a swing fixed

[wanton dawn]

I take it

I was not using heavy anyway

[tame lodge]

Finally TaS fixed

[oblique horizon]

PS sunder plus cycler seems very good

[wanton dawn]

Well, i am a sunder over bm player since ...

A long time ago

[oblique horizon]

Same, love cleaving crushers and maulers and bulwarks

[round jetty]

sooooo the new weapons arent in the game

🔥

[iron marten]

Bolter Ammo Reserve increased 🙏

[oblique horizon]

Shop will reset in probably an hour and theyll pop as well as the mission

[last parcel]

@tall torrent i recall you asking for something like this

[round jetty]

aint in brunst

brunts

[oblique horizon]

Well last time I think you jsut had to wait an hour or two and they were in brunts? At least I think thats what that was.

[round jetty]

yeah its in the requisition area

nbut no the other

😔

[junior needle]

Wait a second, am I reading this right?

The "buff" to the 6d was just a slightly modifier adjustment

And there wasn't an increase to damage or max reserve ammo?

[iron marten]

guess I can already grab a t4 blessing out of the bat, thanks melk

[junior needle]

And also it had its reload time reduced and its equip speed lowered?

[thin stone]

ayo

[mental cloud]

lol like why

@junior needle

[thin stone]

Is the Accatran VIIa good now?

[junior needle]

But now it fires faster so ammo hogs can blast through their reserves at greater speeds

[thin stone]

lol

[junior needle]

I'm taking a look at that one next

[thin stone]

sussy bakas

[junior needle]

I have to sit here and process these changes

[serene bough]

anyone else's update freeze at some point

[thin stone]

I am about to buy a VIIa

[junior needle]

Yeah looks like the 7a is just the best one

[thin stone]

not mine, I am ingame now

[junior needle]

It got actual damage buffs and reserve buffs

[serene bough]

sad

im stuck at 64%

[last parcel]

that seems like a 30% reserve increase

[tame lodge]

7a was always good (biased)

[junior needle]

It was good for a r*con

[soft island]

Now that's a lotta bias

[eternal sable]

which mod is crashing when going to brunts?

[junior needle]

But that's not saying much

Let's see, the 7a is at 852 reserve at 80% ammo

up from 636

[cunning sandal]

Isn't 200 w/ 200x5 in reserve higher than 120 w/ 120x6 in reserve?

[tame lodge]

A recon with cleave and "higher" damage, I had reasons f

[oblique horizon]

Yes it is

280 extra ammo

[junior needle]

Well it is a max ammo increase

[thin stone]

what blessings + perk you want on recon VIIa?

[junior needle]

same as usual

[zinc hare]

The mark 6d having decent damage makes me tempted to spray and pray again

[junior needle]

headhunter/dumdum and some combination of flak/maniac/crit chance

[cunning sandal]

Plus, ~17% DPS increase through fire rate, as well as +33% damage vs Maniacs due to modifiers.

[zinc hare]

It always made my brain go brrr so it not being actively terrible will be nice

[junior needle]

People already took multiple rending talents on the 6d

[thin stone]

flak + maniac and dumdum + hh?

[soft island]

The best of a bad batch is not a high bar.

[junior needle]

#veteran-class message

It technically makes onslaught less of a decision at least

[thin stone]

lmao I got the worst possible roll

[tame lodge]

I'm very aware, still the best from the worst

[junior needle]

6d is at 880 max reserve at 80% ammo

[dreamy lantern]

double mag cap, icreased RoF

they all work out as the same DPS

[thin stone]

@junior needle what stats to priortize on VIIa?

[junior needle]

Damage and ammo

[thin stone]

that's it?

[wanton dawn]

Zealot fotf gutted

[junior needle]

I can't say whether stability was made more important

It didn't say whether the recoils were adjusted

[thin stone]

Is Collateral useless? like what does it even do

[junior needle]

But yeah collat was basically superfluous before

[ancient raptor]

i have a god roll recon lasgun i got 1 year ago

time to use it again

[dreamy lantern]

6d didn't have many ADM changes cause i just gave the others the same ADMs as it (it had the best stats base)

[junior needle]

According to the tooltip on the recons, only stagger.

[thin stone]

oh

So it can be ignored?

[frank ether]

I'm not gonna say much about r*cons before I give them a try

I'm a bit suprised by the need to nerf infernus though

was there some internal fear about r*cons taking over perhaps

[junior needle]

Depends on whether the impact changes actually made some of the models capable of staggering things in a timely manner instead of making their top halves flinch a bit

[junior needle]

They what

[frank ether]

didnt they nerf infernus?

[dreamy lantern]

remember to half that cause it costs 2 a shot

[iron marten]

Entropic and High Voltage?

[frank ether]

%25 chance... gacha lives on

[ancient raptor]

entropic might be good ?

[iron marten]

wait, Opportunist

[soft island]

I want the DoT to be good but I know it will be bad

[frank ether]

entropic

parry at home

[thin stone]

are weapon locks gone?

[frank ether]

I like it

I like that

thats good

[junior needle]

I remember, but it also does more than double per shot according to a 6d baseline

[junior needle]

NOPE

[dreamy lantern]

ye main difference is sustain, 6d gets ~180 in a mag at 80% ammo

[tame lodge]

No

[frank basin]

Nope

[dreamy lantern]

which is 9 full seconds of fire

[frank basin]

It’s design wise keep you engage the game

[junior needle]

Unless the 6d was made to be nauseatingly slow to reload

[frank ether]

I might throw r*con in some melee builds see how they do

I have always hated braced autoguns perform on vet

[junior needle]

How long you can fire without reloading is largely a nonfactor when they have no blessings like blaze away or cavalcade

[hearty panther]

oh baby

[dreamy lantern]

its a little slower, like 3 second reload with no reload buffs

[tame lodge]

WS 10 stacks 6d mag dump

[junior needle]

How long was it before

[hearty panther]

does the reload tech still work

shift sprint as soon as the battery pops out

[dreamy lantern]

i think old recon was like 2.25? i don't have exact numbers for it

[junior needle]

Only the t3 was nerfed it seems

[hearty panther]

nah it was also 3s

[junior needle]

Consistent with the notes

[frank ether]

ah ok, bizarre change but whatever

[junior needle]

I assume it's to make it a uniform number of shots to reach max

But yeah there was no reason to effectively nerf it

[frank ether]

yeah, weird regardless

[junior needle]

Was already performing poorly on the vast majority of weapons

[frank ether]

but it probably satisfies someone's OCD or something

I am excited for those

[iron marten]

still waiting for the weapons to appear at brunt's...

[frank ether]

I wanna stun baton my way out of atoma

I will be rocking that parry at home blessing

if I don't go broke fishing for it

[untold moth]

They just want the crafting system to feel extra shit before they make their minor enhancements to it in 7 months

Thus the nerfs to t3 blessings

[junior needle]

So crits are orange, and headshots are yellow colored now

Interesting change

[white minnow]

the nerfs to three t3 blessings (one of which are blaze away)

[untold moth]

Are the breakpoints on the shotgun any good?

I figure lizo-fish doesn’t play their own game. Based on the patch notes.. figured I’d ask here

[lusty sapphire]

Did anyone actually pay attention to that?

I'm more like "If my hh7 oneshots the gunner in the head it's a crit"

[junior needle]

I did, they used to be the other way around

Seems like an odd change

[sand abyss]

anyone else not see the new guns?

[merry glade]

who out here counting the # of shots they shootin. just shoot it until its dead

[iron marten]

well, guess building this two weeks ago was a premonition...

[merry glade]

seems they not avail in brunt's armory at this point

[sand abyss]

dam

i want a bolt pistol kek

[ancient raptor]

bricked with the bad perks

[merry glade]

praying double barrel does not suck ass (live every other shotgun is)

[iron marten]

it's not too bad, I can deal with lol

[sand abyss]

db is in the mission curenncy vendor for me rn

contracts vendor

[merry glade]

only new bit i've got is a shock maul from that guy

[sand abyss]

holly damage

[ancient raptor]

just a visual bug

[sand abyss]

hold on ill screenshow

[merry glade]

[merry glade]

can you ss the dmg breakdowns

[woeful ibex]

guys

[sand abyss]

cant buy it rn

[woeful ibex]

can you see new weapons?

can't find them for brunt's armory

[sand abyss]

only in contract shop it seams rn

[woeful ibex]

fuck

[junior needle]

Looks like the 7a just has better ammo efficiency than the 6d atm. Against maniac (all models seem to have 80% against that) the 7a has 69438 (852 x 163 divided by 2) total damage on a baseline at max stats, while the 6d has 60720 (69 x 880)

This is counting the reserves only, as ammo restoration does only takes reserve into account.

[sand abyss]

there in rotation for brunts but not insta buy

[junior needle]

Let me do the 2 real quick

[junior needle]

Surprisingly the mk 2 now has the best ammo efficiency against maniac, at 71868

[dreamy lantern]

that should be 426 x 163

not 852

[junior needle]

That's why the divided by 2 is there

[dreamy lantern]

ye that gives u 34719

[junior needle]

No no

After you divide by two you get that number

[dreamy lantern]

ah ye brains all over the place atm in multiple chats

[junior needle]

[merry glade]

ammo efficiency = i sleep
dps = woke

[dreamy lantern]

the dps on all of them should be roughly equal

its just a matter of how you want to apply it

[merry glade]

i want to apply it fast af fam

[dreamy lantern]

6d fires 20 a second now

[odd sparrow]

brunts just updated for me atleast

[merry glade]

oh yeah, i see the new weapons int here now

[junior needle]

The dps is roughly the same, but 6d still has the worst ammo efficiency by a good margin

[merry glade]

time to roll the bonessssssssss

[dreamy lantern]

its not enough of a margin to actually matter in a match

[pearl granite]

wow, columnus iag is nerfed but plasma doesnt!

[dreamy lantern]

its a matter of like, 1 extra mag on the 7 iirc

[junior needle]

It's a difference of about 10,000 damage out of your total reserve

Depending on which model you compare it to

7a and 2 are closer

Can't think of a reason for the 6d to have that weakness if it doesn't even have a dps lead over the other two

[merry glade]

the flak on this is sus

[junior needle]

Nor does it have any lead in terms of crit strings

Since they're all 2 still

[dreamy lantern]

ye thats like roughly one mag from the 7

[pallid dew]

How's the new update going for veterans?

[dreamy lantern]

which is literally like, 50 shots

[sand abyss]

new map is very range friendly

[pallid dew]

I haven't had a look at anything

cosmetics?

[vestal badger]

SUCK IT ZEALOTS

[sand abyss]

no clue

new guns not in the regular shop yet

[pallid dew]

Looking forward to finally finish all peances aand have a proper build

[iron marten]

Weapons are at Brunt's now

[junior needle]

An extra mag is enough to make the others just better takes

[pearl granite]

Still updating but I noticed that the columnus is nerfed. But they give bolter more ammo so it's ok 😂

[dreamy lantern]

i mean, i guess if you are bad with ammo sure?

[junior needle]

No need to be condescending

There's no real reason for the gun to be just worse

[toxic leaf]

bolter chads rejoice

we have ammo now!

[junior needle]

There wasn't an issue with homogenizing the damage and ADM's, why not do the same with ammo efficiency?

[merry glade]

gdi am i going to have make another veteran alt just to get shotgun crit cleave

[gaunt hinge]

Changed so that all player shots ignore body mass from other players.
👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

no more ogryns playing for the other team

[toxic leaf]

plasma and revolver unchanged, bolter gets more ammo

anyone tested the recons? did they make them great again

[brave egret]

is revolver stronger then bolter or bolt pistol?

[toxic leaf]

the zarona was last i played, and by a lot

[junior needle]

It's an improvement but definitely not ciag tier

[toxic leaf]

i see, thats a start

[junior needle]

The dps has been homogenized along with the ADM's across the models. I've been discussing how the 6d has notably worse ammo efficiency than the 7a and 2 now.

There's no real upside to it currently.

[toxic leaf]

what about bolt pistol, is it sadge or usable

[junior needle]

Haven't even looked at it

[toxic leaf]

i see

[junior needle]

Ice disagrees that an extra magazine is a big deal when they all do almost the same dps

[toxic leaf]

ignoring how much better plasma and revolver are to be than it

[odd sparrow]

it seems like a slightly worse zarona

[toxic leaf]

(unless those were changed in a patch i didnt see)

[odd sparrow]

doesnt instapull

[junior needle]

But I think the 6d should get a reserve bump to be closer to the other 2

[odd sparrow]

does seemingly exact same dmg as boltgun

[iron marten]

building one rn, will get back to you about it

[toxic leaf]

lol

the good news about taking a 2mo break from this game and worrying about if you missed a patch is, you didnt

[iron marten]

Auto Discard was set to 365 or below so lmao

[toxic leaf]

because fs doesnt update it

[thick thunder]

acceptable

[odd sparrow]

rolled a new blessing on it which applies 4 bleed on hit to the target

[toxic leaf]

lets gooooooo

im gonan fish for one for a bit and then go back to ogryn, they are super excited about hte new pickaxes

im told they are "poggers"

[merry glade]

minecraft

[iron marten]

🤔

[thick thunder]

stats on this one are nutty tho

[iron marten]

oh shit

[junior needle]

does point blank actually work now

[iron marten]

lmao what

[odd sparrow]

according to the patch notes yes

[abstract moth]

Guys how's the bolt pistol?

[odd sparrow]

recoil is very high

it doesnt instapull

and does just as much dmg as boltgun

[abstract moth]

Like bolter?

[odd sparrow]

way higher honestly

[abstract moth]

Kek seems interesting

[odd sparrow]

if you want to hit heads on enemies further away you need to wait for the recoil or just have deadshot

which is propably a must on the gun

[iron marten]

I guess obvious setup is surgical and da?

[odd sparrow]

propably yeah

[abstract moth]

Yeah was thinking something like that with executioner

[winter grove]

Wait

[odd sparrow]

since if you cant 1hit enemies its actually a bit impractical

[winter grove]

Does that mean you still hit if you miss

Does it just increase the bolt pistol hitbox

[lament bane]

Think the bolt just explodes if you miss

[abstract moth]

Is the other gun a 2 barrel shot gun?

[winter grove]

So like airburst

[odd sparrow]

ye

[iron marten]

:#

Just need T4 DA and it's gooood

[abstract moth]

How is it?

Worth using?

[full nacelle]

Why did braced autoguns get a nerf?

[abstract moth]

They did? Tha hell

[full nacelle]

a bigger nerf than the friggin Columnus

???

[abstract moth]

What did they buff?

[tiny summit]

People now cant hate the big bois

[finite carbon]

you guys know the file where we can change keybinds?

[steel lagoon]

stuff searcher?

[full nacelle]

nothing from what I'm seeing 😐

[abstract moth]

With all guns?

[tiny summit]

Yep

[abstract moth]

Wow that's awesome!

[iron marten]

wonder if bolt pistol is suppression immune lmao

[tardy plaza]

Did they add new penances w the new map?

[tiny summit]

I shouldve included the dev note

[abstract moth]

They said they buffed 8 stuff dk what tho

[icy orchid]

mk5 IAG nerf, trillions must die

[brave musk]

HUGE

oh wait sorry i think i forgot to turn off the ping

[abstract moth]

This is great

[full nacelle]

if someone can find the braced autogun buffs it would save me my sanity

I don't get why they would deserve a nerf

[brave musk]

still though, the day of lasguns being blocked by everyone is over, im glad

[abstract moth]

Yeah specially hellbore

[tiny summit]

Think youre overreacting to the single nerf

[toxic leaf]

ok so the bolt pistol is just a worse revolver

[slow spade]

Plasma nerf UwU

Blaze away from 8% -> 7%

[toxic leaf]

but it still seems fine for any use

[sturdy zephyr]

Why?

[winter grove]

Oh my fucking god finally

[sand abyss]

bolt pistol fires show asf and seams to do piss pore damage

[abstract moth]

What?!

[tiny summit]

I would assume because the revolver already does the job with better handling

[winter grove]

A whole percent

[tiny summit]

And better penetration

[icy orchid]

No, doing 1 less crit shot per IAG crit will clearly nerf the gun into the ground /jk

[slow spade]

Plasma now loses between 1-5% damage

Brb getting rope

[serene bough]

so do these "bolter explosions" proc bleed with the new blessing

[junior needle]

Glory was better than blaze before that imo

[toxic leaf]

better handling, better pen, better followup shots

[sand abyss]

u have to aim the bolt pistol to actually get a decent rate of fire with it

[toxic leaf]

but the bolt pistol reloads faster!

[tiny summit]

Blaze Away is kinda dumb imo

[abstract moth]

No no rope cut that crap

[slow spade]

Na I want more damage

[icy orchid]

uh....did they actually make any crafting changes?

[full nacelle]

I'm not talking about the IAG though. I'm talking about the braced autoguns.

[tiny summit]

That would be dope

[junior needle]

NO

[tiny summit]

Yea and youre still overreacting

[abstract moth]

I don't get this silly nerfs tbh

[serene bough]

if so that's probably going to be the best way to buid the bolt pistol

[toxic leaf]

but maybe the bolt pistol has a secret sauce of perks to work with

[icy orchid]

never used braced guns in the first place lol

[toxic leaf]

i am just here running it with surgical and deadly accurate

[full nacelle]

Why nerf a subset of guns that already isn't that good? Just making other weapons more unbalanced

[slow spade]

Funny

[junior needle]

Brautos barely benefitted from crits due to shit finesse

[tiny summit]

Most weapons are pretty fine.

[analog mural]

Autoguns were great though?

[junior needle]

But it's definitely a headscratcher

[tiny summit]

Yea it is more so just weird dart board feeling balance changes

[winter grove]

Idk why they did that, but considering brauto crits were shit anyway it's not gonna do anything

[abstract moth]

Locks gonna be removed so that's great when it happens

[icy orchid]

Welp, I guess back to helldiving until they actually release that crafting update ||watch it make it even more rng heavy||

[sand abyss]

1H maul is really gud tho

[full nacelle]

I suppose so. Just stupid that brautos get a nerf before shit like the plasma gun. Very questionable.

[toxic leaf]

deadly accurate seems really good

[slow spade]

Only you can get the crit

[icy orchid]

also still no sign of the 2nd best 40k weapon type, Meltas

[winter grove]

It doesn't feel like a nerf at all

[slow spade]

But Surgical exists

[abstract moth]

Come on aren't you even going to try new update?

[slow spade]

So should be good

[winter grove]

1st being hellguns obvs

[junior needle]

does bolt pistol have surgical

[toxic leaf]

yea

[slow spade]

Yes

[icy orchid]

Funny way to spell volkite

[junior needle]

neat

[toxic leaf]

deadly accurate + surgical seems really good

do weapons get hidden damage buffs from rarity, so i can compare apples to apples

[full nacelle]

losing 33% of your crit damage is a decent sized nerf

[slow spade]

That would be go-to combo fot blessings

[abstract moth]

F I want dual wield pistols of anything really

[winter grove]

Brautos don't care about crits at all

[abstract moth]

And daggers

[slow spade]

Dual plasma pistols pls

[winter grove]

It's like a bonus you barely notice

[atomic zephyr]

hey guys is the bolt pistol good

[abstract moth]

Yes indeed

[merry glade]

dual shrdder pistols cuz thats what u need for thme to be competent anyway

[toxic leaf]

because an 80 damage bolt pistol without vs an 80 damage bolt pistol with is 1986 (without) vs 2753 (with)

[atomic zephyr]

that’s all I wanted out of this update, the bolt pistol

[toxic leaf]

but its a blue weapon vs gold

[winter grove]

Double recons

[slow spade]

Compared to revolver and stuff, probably not better but usable

Its not old Recon bad

[atomic zephyr]

revolver is so broken it’s crazy so I’ll take that

[slow spade]

Same

[toxic leaf]

yea if it compares even slightly favorable with revolver or plasma, its good

[abstract moth]

Pretty much same, tho being big gnome with giant pickaxe going to be fun too

[slow spade]

I'm going to dump like 20k plasteel

[atomic zephyr]

I have a veteran sergeant build that it’s gonna kick ass on

[full nacelle]

also I find it funny that someone would go "you're overreacting" to someone going "I don't get why they nerfed brautos"

this is the darktide discord

[toxic leaf]

the only thing i dont really like about it vs revolver is the rof

you cant spam fire it like revolver

[abstract moth]

I have 93k plants need more of it

[full nacelle]

let me discuss the game lol

[tiny summit]

It isnt. You can make anything sound larger than it is with %

[atomic zephyr]

to be fair I wasn’t hitting shit with revolver spamfire