veteran-class

[faint beacon]

Coming from experience you will notice the difference between a 70+ Stab and 65< Stab HHA

Stab is imo the most important stat that isn’t damage related

For HHA’s

[slow spade]

0% stability

If you miss, its a horde shooter so you just hit the guy behind them 😎

[sinful swallow]

Ah yes a SUPERIOR chain axe enjoyer

[vivid silo]

Another reject of culture I see tips fedora

[somber axle]

maybe I should try the Chainaxe IV...

once I have more diamantine to roll one

8 days to Boltpistol though

Gotta be strong

Save the dockets, diamantine and plasteel for the new toys

[tall torrent]

It’s the better chainaxe imo but it’s still a chainaxe

I wish Chainaxes didn’t have low dodge

[somber axle]

I love the Chainaxe XII so I don't mind

[tall torrent]

It’s just that u trade so much horde clear with chainaxe, it still having low dodge is kinda awkward

Especially since the enemies chainaxes are meant to be good at killing have attacks u rly want to dodge

[hearty panther]

chaxe IV is for Zealot, XII is for Vet, is how I see them.

XII gets much more juice from finesse bonuses, IV just wants flat buffs which Zealot has loads of

[tall torrent]

Don’t both of them have pretty low finesse values

[hearty panther]

xii push attack is pretty meaty

and clubbing with the lights, head hits are important

the iv doesn't give a shit cause 50% of the damage comes from the Shredder proc on light

which you boost with flat bonuses and itll already lock down or outright kill most enemies with a single swing

so hot out i wanna fukken vomit

[hybrid token]

hot weather sucks

underboob sweat is murder

[hearty panther]

my entire body is underboob

[faint beacon]

What’s it looking like in C or F I guess depending which one you want to prefer saying

[last parcel]

317 Kelvin

[faint beacon]

We love Kelvin

[tawny badger]

who’s kelvin and why is there 317 of him

[hearty panther]

39c with humidity atm

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/that-hot-thats-hot-thats-hot-flipped-that-hot-flipped-that-hot-inverted-gif-19052204

[last parcel]

i was close

[severe gale]

it’s the worst with humidity

[umbral scaffold]

was minutes away from getting the no-melee damage penance (overwatch) and a rager hit me from behind, getting through my toughness and taking off exactly -1 hp.

[severe gale]

me personally i would’ve just dodged it

[umbral scaffold]

so true bro

[clear lantern]

545.6 Rankine @last parcel

[clear lantern]

I've seen that happen to someone in the jail-sassination and the extra rager/mauler horde that jumps down got the vet after we took down the boss

[umbral scaffold]

that is so painful

THIS is so painful

its just so damn inconsistant I have 180 toughness and like, sometimes enemies dont hit off HP? othertimes they do massive amounts

[crisp rapids]

i recenty ran basicalyl jut all of the middel tree + the extra grenade slot from the right part

gotta say this shit was incredibly fun

i regened a LOT of toughness for my teamates

and kept yeeting bombbs nonstop

no survivalist, but fireteam is decent;

especialyl on high intensity since the 5% procs a lot more ofter

sometimes i throw a nade and get one back instantly

or even more in a multikill

[last parcel]

that's demolition team

[crisp rapids]

fireteam the aura

[last parcel]

oh wrong comment

[crisp rapids]

demolition team + demo stockpile + improv

all the support shbang + nades

hilariouslly fun, "this fucking vet keeps throwing grenades what the fuck"

👌

[crisp rapids]

no i mean litearlly just the middle path

[tiny summit]

No. Must hotbox the hive

Become the vent purge

[crisp rapids]

and the +1 nade

this works surpsisingly well

[last parcel]

inspiring presence

[tall torrent]

Unironically pls don’t take +suppression or inspiring presence

[crisp rapids]

wat those do again?

i dont remember what they do

they just were in the middle

[bitter turtle]

inspiring presence is 10% faster regen from coherency

its garbage

[tall torrent]

Inspiring presence is a hilariously bad node

[bitter turtle]

+suppression is +suppression and supepression is garbage

[crisp rapids]

yeah but like

they are in the middle tree

[tall torrent]

Don’t take everything in a specific tree

[crisp rapids]

i clearly did

and it goes hard as fuck

tehcnically i didnt need to do that iu know

[tall torrent]

Well u didn’t

[crisp rapids]

i know*

i needed +1 nade

[bitter turtle]

you'd be better off taking for the empruh and competitive urge

even if you went

middle only

suppression node and especially inspiring presence are that bad

also yeah u took +1 grenade you fucking fraud

[tall torrent]

Btw @bitter turtle check dm

[tiny summit]

Be like this. Less nerd talk

[crisp rapids]

i needed it!

its just a "pimple" on my skill tree

competitive urge is funy

in the "i dont evne know when it procks or not cause everything is already getting naded/revovlered

[tiny summit]

I take back all my defense. Not a true mid lover

[crisp rapids]

have u ever throw 3 nades onto a bos

and all of them got the twinned blast?

agrip revolver also goes hard (i tried using bolter but it too cloonke to work)

[shadow dagger]

what do i do with this one

[last parcel]

use it to kill heretics

[tall torrent]

Ghost -> DA
Unyielding -> unarmored

[shadow dagger]

whats unarmored for

[bitter turtle]

congrats

that's actually perfect

if you do what was said above

and dreg gunner 1tap with no crit

[shadow dagger]

or does using that with all the other damage stacking stuff let you onehit something important

oh

[bitter turtle]

maniac doesnt do anything that important, only dreg rager crit 1tap HS

you can 1tap crit flamers with enough boosts on the tree

focus target or rending strikes or w/e

[civic knot]

Does vet really need stamina regen cooldown nodes if you already have 2 stamina curios?

[shadow dagger]

xd

[bitter turtle]

"need" no

I don't play with stamina regen nodes

they are great though

[bitter turtle]

longshot

that's normal

you never engage them at point blank range anyway

the gun is one of the most effective long range guns in the game

[shadow dagger]

oh fun

[bitter turtle]

that or focus target if you really need ot kill one at close range

like <8m

otherwise longshot will gap the last bit of dmg

[umbral scaffold]

do nets do melee damage over time

[civic knot]

5% crit chance or 25% maniac?

[bitter turtle]

iirc

yes

they do a bit of damage over time?

sometimes

[shadow dagger]

just run weapons specialist for guaranteed crit

[bitter turtle]

idk i know sometimes i lie there forever and take none though

not really sure actually]

[umbral scaffold]

bruhhh

why does it have to be counted as melee damage

[civic knot]

not consistent enough and only lasts 1 shot

[tall torrent]

Yes, it’s very strong

[bitter turtle]

oh

did it ruin your on overwatch run

lol

[manic cloak]

No, you don't need it. Yes, many run it.

[bitter turtle]

i dont know if it counts as melee dmg but if you failed it ig so

[feral bay]

Weapons Specialist+ slug

[umbral scaffold]

yes or I got hit by something else

[bitter turtle]

i suggest

infiltrate + l ow profile + overwatch for ability

run laspistol with ghost

the moment you take a hit

press infiltrate

you have like 20 seconds of enemies ignoring you lol

you can take toughness dmg but any bleed through dmg will affect you

so at 100% toughness you can take 1 hit

and stll be ok

so just press infiltrate the moment you take a toughness hit

and it should be easy

laspistol + ghost is super mobile and makes you immune to gunners too

[midnight totem]

and look for a low intensity match

[civic knot]

My suggestion: dont do this without a coordinated team. Just run shout + iron will to tank damage and distract enemies and be 100000% more helpful for your team with gold toughness for everyone

[bitter turtle]

you can do this

on heresy mode

difficulty

or malice

[civic knot]

ah i see

[bitter turtle]

i forget

[civic knot]

xD

[bitter turtle]

its literally a joke

if you have good gear you probably already do more than the rest of your team at that point

since only lowbies play malice

[manic cloak]

I got it and Untouchable unintentionally just playing the game. I believe both ended up landing in Auric Damnation runs.

Lower difficulties attract less skilled players, generally speaking.

[feral bay]

I play malice because decent rewards, not too much stress.

[manic cloak]

So unless it's a premade, you're gambling.

[bitter turtle]

malice is easily soloable as long as you dont get trapped or dogged

[midnight totem]

thats the game in general

"its all easy until you get trapped or dogged"

[bitter turtle]

i would not say its easy to solo AM until dogs or trappers show up

you have to kite a ton to solo AM

malice everything is made out of paper and not too dense enemy packs

[manic cloak]

No, poor positioning can have you die to other things in higher Auric+

[bitter turtle]

you can just shoot them down easy

[midnight totem]

yes, poor positioning due to trappers or dogs xD

[tall torrent]

Malice has so much lower plasteel though

DT’s difficulty balance in terms of plasteel payout is really unbalanced

[clear lantern]

honestly "pure line" specs still rule.

[feral bay]

Yes. I've been playing on heresy, but so often people on Heresy are 15-16 and because I can't hard carry unless I'm playing tankgryn or gun-lugger, we die.

[clear lantern]

I have "pure lines" on every class and they play just dandy.

[hidden torrent]

It really depends on the type of player you are and the experience you have in tide games, I played a lot of the previous tide games and really even auric maelstrom is really just a cakewalk anymore, only really dying once I go cowbunga mode

Or something really unfortunate happens

like ahem, barrel penance

[bitter turtle]

if you're really experienced

AM isnt that hard no

for the avg person though

like

truly avg player

i think damnation is even a struggle

normal damnation

[hidden torrent]

Do we know what the actual average player even palys?

[bitter turtle]

pretty sure most of the population is not playing AM at least

[hearty panther]

you can very safely assume malice and heresy is average

[last parcel]

i figured they’d play space marines or whatever

[hidden torrent]

Well it feels like the average player is playing maelstrom

I can tell you that much

[tall torrent]

The avg player has 20 hours in the game and gets on to play malice

[hidden torrent]

is that accurate tho

[hearty panther]

yes

youre in a bubble

[hidden torrent]

I'm asking if there's any statistics on that

or if it's all purely conjecture

[hearty panther]

steam achievements sheds a lot of insight

[hidden torrent]

that is the average person who bought the game

not the average player

we're speaking of different averages here

like the average person who plays the game with regularity

[hearty panther]

... what

oh

[elfin pelican]

what frequency of regularity are you thinking as your sample population?

[hearty panther]

then still the same answer

youre in a bubble

[hidden torrent]

regularity would be like 2 times weekly I'd say

[last parcel]

but there’s no psykers here

[tawny badger]

did sir milk cook with this one or nah

[old quail]

maybe pick it up for the crafting rework

[tawny badger]

the what

[old quail]

that's at best a 1/4 perks/blessings wise

stats are good (although you'd miss out on 1 shot in the tube)

[clear lantern]

hehehe

[rocky tendon]

That is the most bricked shotgun I have ever seen

[hidden torrent]

ok

[rocky tendon]

Jesus hadron

[pseudo fiber]

is sunder good or meme

i don't remember

on power sword

[hearty panther]

... both

[tall torrent]

Good

[pseudo fiber]

damn it melk you finally got something okay

I only want like... surge 4 on void staff and that's pretty much it I got all the "Meta" blessings or whatever

[last parcel]

surge trauma

[pseudo fiber]

I got that one

it sits in my inventory

a reminder of what could have been

[hoary horizon]

Today as vet, my entire team died, i had my heavy las pistol and a chainsword, it was me and the horde, i fought surrounded for at least 30 sec, i survvived and raised the team, i feel that i am close to calling myself a god at veteran.

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah that's the veteran way. You gotta show them what proper soldiering looks like

[hoary horizon]

They got the magic powers, the inhumane strenghts, the fury of combat. But veterans got the skills

Hence why i always respect veterans

[feral bay]

Stacks 25% extra health on all 3 curios

Or maybe only 65% and an extra wound.

[hoary horizon]

🫡

[tall torrent]

Lore accurate veteran

[hoary horizon]

I felt like everybody tought i was gonna die, but i showed them.

[sullen scarab]

I was handed this precious child, what do I change on it? Groaners to Maniac, Infernus to Weight of Fire?

[hidden torrent]

The least damage I've ever taken, def improving

[junior needle]

mk2 wants unarmored for dreg shooter one taps last I checked

The 2 can also go without weight of fire if you really want to fix the perks

[sullen scarab]

Ok, sounds good! Yeah I wasn't sure if it really needed weight of fire, since it fires so fast. But 25% carapace is really good too right

or nah

[tall torrent]

Swap Infernus & groaners out

[tall torrent]

Besides psykanium warrior builds, no

[sullen scarab]

anything else better than weight of fire though?

[tall torrent]

Surgical + WoF

No respite is ok

[coral willow]

fuck me this actually cant oneshot scab gunners with light

[tall torrent]

That’s not a major breakpoint u need though

[junior needle]

No respite is primarily for the bayonet

[sullen scarab]

got it lol

[junior needle]

It only works when you hit a target that's already staggered

[coral willow]

still have zero idea the ones i need

[junior needle]

Which means it's not active most of the time

At least on the ranged attack

[coral willow]

thanks hadron

[tall torrent]

1 light HS both shotgunner
2 (PA > L4) HS crusher, mauler, bulwark & reaper
2 light HS both rager

[sullen scarab]

What perks do you aim for on the MK1 helbore? Flak maniac?

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac

[sullen scarab]

ah ok, thank you

Ideally, what do you want on the MKII then?

Unarmored/Flak?

[coral willow]

its strange since i can 2 light ragers without the elite

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + maniac

[coral willow]

maybe brutal momentum i guess

[tall torrent]

But elite helps with bulwark breakpoint and shotgunner

[sullen scarab]

got it, thank you

[tall torrent]

And it meets the crusher 2 hit on its own

So idk why u wouldn’t want it besides RNG limitations

[coral willow]

seems to work without one

guess brutal momentum wp damage boosts it up further

shotgunners just kinda die

[twin cedar]

Got any tips for not getting hit in a malice mission

[sleek garden]

depends on what kind of hit

getting hit is inevitable

if you're doing the no melee damage one its just good crowd control really

you can tank one little hit

[twin cedar]

Its cause I’m trying to do that one penence

Seems literally impossible

[coral willow]

un-brick

jeez

i think the only major BP i can get

is either with group of ragers

since cleave

or mauler light head 3shot

[coral willow]

imma put unyielding and boss meme it i guess

ty

[sleek garden]

take a sword or something with high defences and just play normally

if you're having problems getting hit its either because hordes are causing you problems or because you don't realize an enemy is hitting you

do you know what the backstab noise sounds like

[coral willow]

spam the -90% threat infiltrate, dont get overwatch since that reduces the time you have it on

just stelf from start to finish

and know how to block/push

[twin cedar]

So basically I block a lot and take everything easy?

[coral willow]

know how to play defensivly and not go head in melee whamma or gun blazing

[sleek garden]

you don't need to be a turtle afraid to fight

i kept playing with people trying to do that penance and every time it was people who did nothing the whole game but block and dodge slide

and never attacked

id take the frag grenade if i were you

[twin cedar]

I’ll try it, thanks for the tips. The penance was honestly driving me insane

[mental cloud]

The best I could do for 5 days of straight grinding. lol

At least hadron gave me the blessings I wanted..

[crimson pebble]

Something to keep in mind it doesn't say you can take hits to your tougness as long as its not actual health dmg you're in the clear

So if you want to stack all toughness curios and build specifically around toughness that might help aswell

[summer quartz]

what are good blessings/perks to have on a hellbore lasgun?

[tame lodge]

Surgical and Weight of Fire for blessings

[summer quartz]

tyvm

[bronze atlas]

melk... its almost pre bricked... but its only 1500

[coral willow]

yeah currently going unyielding and its treating me even better against bulwakrs, not sure how im oneshotting them with PA
bosshunting is def good with VoC and middle blast frag for now

tyty

[somber axle]

Hi I am late but Carapace is very good for breakpoints on the Mk II Helbore for dropping number of shots needed to kill. Depending on talent set up you may need 5 to 7 shots on a Mk II Helbore to kill a Crusher. With the right set up you can kill them in 2 shots. Even without Exe Stance you can comfortably kill in 3-4 shots with the right set up. It's very useful. If you use it with Exe Stance and Focus Target + Redirect Fire then you suddenly no longer need Unarmoured or Maniac perks to get 1HKO Dreg Gunner headshots and both Flamer 1HKO headshots

[sullen scarab]

[somber axle]

I'd personally keep it because being able to dome Crushers on a Mk II Helbore in no ammo Maelstrom using Surgical and Shock Trooper is a special kind of magic I adore but for normal play without Exe Stance or Focus Target/Redirect Fire you should follow Numbers Cat's advice

[sullen scarab]

oooo ok

thats awesome

I haven't used the helbore in a long time so I'm just trying to figure things out, I did see you talking about it earlier haha

[somber axle]

Voice of Command does not let the Mk II Helbore hit 1HKO Dreg Gunner heads or Flamer 1HKO heads without Exe Stance unless you invest more heavily into ranged damage to compensate

[sullen scarab]

makes sense

[somber axle]

It's more dependant on your playstyle to figure out where your usual breakpoints will be

[sullen scarab]

definitely

I just wanted to have some pointers so I don't flub the rolls at least LOL

[somber axle]

VoC Vets need those perks, Exe Stance Vets can afford to ignore them and enjoy Carapace for free ammo shots into Crusher heads killing them in 2 headshots

[sullen scarab]

makes sense

[somber axle]

While still hitting all the breakpoints that VoC Vets do

[sullen scarab]

Also I just rolled this, I think this is what I needed

Unarmored to Maniac, Sustained Fire to Surgical yeah?

i Remember numbers cat said elites maniac lol

[somber axle]

Mk I Helbore breakpoints are less familiar to me so I'd double check with Numbers Cat on that one

I main the Mk II Helbore for usual matches in Aurics and dabble in Mk III Helbore for 1HKO Crusher memes

[coral willow]

has more damage p sure

idk why

but in korea we either prefer mk3 or mk1

mk2 gets thrown out cause "low damge"

[sinful swallow]

Low damage but higher DPS, no?

Weight of fire goes so hard on mk2

[coral willow]

weight of fire spam from what i know for mk1 as well which is why koreans kinda hate it

[sullen scarab]

Yeah he said Maniac/Elites, so I'll stick that on, chuffed that I managed to somehow roll elites

[coral willow]

idk why

[sullen scarab]

I definitely want to try out MKII as well

[somber axle]

Mk I has the easiest breakpoints afaik and needs less investment for general play compared to the Mk II

Mk II is just immensely faster

[sullen scarab]

What do you like on the MKii, sneaky? To go with carapace?

[coral willow]

that makes sense

[sinful swallow]

I only wish mk3 had bayonet charge I couldn't care less about it being a swing or not

[somber axle]

Especially when you get a high damage, high stopping power, high charge rate version with Surgical IV and Weight of Fire IV. The Mk II Helbore is one of the best guns in the game imo up there with Plasma, Zarona Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun

[coral willow]

breaking my finger i assume

[somber axle]

But most will never feel how strong it is because the breakpoints on it are tighter than the other guns so it needs more thought for breakpoints whether you're doing Voice of Command or Executioner's Stance

So your optimal perks change based on your chosen ability and keystone

An extra funny thing

You CAN technically achieve 1HKO Crusher breakpoint with a Mk II Helbore but it requires a Combat Stim

So it ends up being unnecessary to think about

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[somber axle]

But for those special moments in no ammo Maelstrom scab only Auric Damnation?

I love it

Get a combat stim and begin 1HKOing Crushers one after the other

And make the team watch me light up the kill feed in Crusher deaths

It's not just Psykanium Fluff if you're a clown who doesn't rely on and never cared about Voice of Command

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[sullen scarab]

stab stab stab

[somber axle]

Yeah I love the bayonet strike on the Mk I and Mk II

Stabbing hounds, stabbing flamers, stabbing muties, stabbing bosses

[sullen scarab]

i'm loving it so far lmao

[somber axle]

It is a very fun weapon

Surgical and Shock Trooper give it such crazy ammo efficiency

[sullen scarab]

aw man I'm missing surgical 4

rip

[somber axle]

If you get Surgical, Shock Trooper, Survivalist's Aura and Deadshot? You suddenly have an infinite crit machine that makes you ammo positive through engagements with specials/elites

I like using Focus Target + Target Down for the extra toughness and stamina restored in pinged kill

Helps keep the team alive by giving everyone nice chunks of toughness restored, keeps stamina high for me and my squad

And that extra stamina just keeps fueling the Deadshot crit train

[sullen scarab]

do you take rending strikes?

[somber axle]

I do not unless I am using the Mk III Helbore for 1HKO memes

I would share my build but I am at work and will be here for another 6 and a half hours

[sullen scarab]

no worries lol

Also I feel like I always end up taking Determined so my aim doesn't fly around teh screen when being shot at and shooting back

am I doing something wrong lol

[somber axle]

Sometimes I make a funny Close and Kill Aura + Infiltrate with Low Profile build to run with my Mk II Helbore

So I can just comfortably sit back and shoot threats without worrying about the hordes in my face

Stick with team and give constant fire support

Alternate bayonet stabs and shots to keep Agile Engagement buff going

Etc.

It is very funny that the Helbores are one of the few weapons that can realistically benefit from Agile Engagement without swapping to melee

[sullen scarab]

loool

that's funny

[coral willow]

headhunter

:teeth;

god pl;ease

give zealot a melee-ranged hybrid

like hellbore

a proper one not half-arsed ones like headhunters

[tall torrent]

zealot already has railgun throwing knife

doesn't need anything else tbh

[coral willow]

that is fun

like i mean a actual ranged melee

idk

laspistol and a dclaw

on 1 slot

[tall torrent]

idk I think it should stick to veteran

any sort of gun bayonet

or ogryn

[coral willow]

i just wanna fotf charge ans stick a bayonet to whoever im fighting

[tall torrent]

cuz those 2 are the ones with canonical long-term military experience

[coral willow]

like laspistol on one hand dclaw on other sounds fun

if they implement it at all that is

[coral willow]

fine at least give me a shield on zealot

[midnight totem]

Crusader sword and shield yes

[coral willow]

bretonian s&s moveset would be nifty

[frank ether]

I think what veteran needs is not exclusive weapons that are overpowered or really unique

imo what we need is talents that make veteran distinct at using said weapons

[tall torrent]

Veteran needs ranged weapons that don’t tank ur talent tree when u want to play them properly

[frank ether]

like you could delete onslaught+skirmisher and instead put two talents that synergize with braced/hipfire playstyle, just spitballing here

[tall torrent]

Besides braced autoguns and shotguns I think this is largely already achieved

[frank ether]

If I want for a melee/ranged hybrid thats also ''glass cannon''

I'm better off on a zealot, not on a pure strength scale (I mean its stronger on zealot too but)

its just more fun on a zealot

[tall torrent]

Well

It’s hard to beat railgun throwing knife

With most guns

[frank ether]

thats not very relevant to my point

its something likely to be patched

[tall torrent]

What exactly even is that

[frank ether]

I don't know dog I've been playing charge zealot with any of the keystones

end up with a build thats competent with guns, melee, everything

[junior needle]

Are you aware that zealot has like

two keystones that are really good for both melee and ranged

I am truly perplexed by this approach

[frank ether]

so does veteran

[junior needle]

Zealots are uh

Much more generally useful

[frank ether]

zealot ones are up without even pressing a button

[junior needle]

As compared to say WS or MF

[frank ether]

thats the difference

[junior needle]

yep

Also ease of use

[frank ether]

veteran I have to deliberately know what I'm doing

its not a huge differencce

vet takes a bit more awareness

like what I tag, when I tag

or when I weapon swap

meanwhile blazing is free crit non stop

and momentum is like, up at anytime its relevant

and well, I know a lot of ppl do not like martyrdom but its a pretty good risk/reward keystone, its fine

[tall torrent]

Martyrdom’s only real risk is CDR & lower toughness than normal imo

[frank ether]

the problem for vet is general talent offerings and ultimates

I dont think keystones are the issue

[tall torrent]

I can’t think of many talents on vet where u rly want over keystone

[junior needle]

I think the keystones are also an issue because I subjectively don't like them compared to other classes

Put piety on vet and I will take it every time

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon but yea

[junior needle]

I'd even take lucky bullet from ogryn

[tall torrent]

Other classes’ keystone are generally more impactful

That’s going a bit far lol

[junior needle]

I like the idea of it

Even if it's undertuned

[tall torrent]

Whereas veteran focus target (most general purpose) is just

More dmg, better breakpoints

Granted, that’s prob the most impactful thing u can add to veteran a lot of the time

Given how much u want consistent breakpoints

[junior needle]

But you also need to ping for it, which I don't like if I can't do it automatically

[tall torrent]

I just have muscle memory for it

[junior needle]

Every time I see a ping vet while I'm playing my zealot

Everything that gets pinged gets blown up by me first

[tall torrent]

I tag because it makes headshots easier

[junior needle]

It's hilarious, if it's not an autoping setup the kills just get poached nonstop

[tall torrent]

Well, he doesn’t need to get the kill

It’s not like he has to be the one to get the kill to benefit

The fact that he tagged it and it resulted in the tagged enemy dying immediately is sort of the intended effect

I don’t rly see a problem here

[somber axle]

If only Headhunter Autogun bashing did proper damage LMFAO

[coral willow]

yea

[somber axle]

They should probably up the damage on it and the Revolver pistol whips

[coral willow]

it does stupid amount of stagger

but not stupid enough

like agrapina shotgun slug stupid

[somber axle]

Revolver pistol whips getting a damage buff would even help that blessing that is currently actually useless

[coral willow]

wasnt that supposed to be

worked for actally making melee

[somber axle]

I forget what the name is but it shares the same tier as Falter for actually worthless blessings

[coral willow]

falter is quite a meme

it can work

but every gun that has it has bad stagger

so it never works

or it should just make any close range kill into a crit

then it'd be possibly op

[coral willow]

point blank

[somber axle]

That's the one

[coral willow]

it could've worked

if it wasnt tied to the worst attack in the game

[grand perch]

give revolver a bayonet

instant BIS blessing

[junior needle]

Falter can work insofar as it can help you stagger things

But it doesn't work insofar as being generally useful, especially compared to alternatives

[frank ether]

that means the vets bad

I demolish what I ping within like 0.1-0.2 seconds if not instantly

pinging is what I use to see outlines so I can headshot easier

[junior needle]

The problem is more that pinging things ends up being detrimental to your individual performance if your teammates are on the ball. I was aiming for the thing anyway, but him having to ping it first then shoot means I have the advantage of blasting things.

Which is detrimental if you need kills (like with exe or for confirmed kill)

[tall torrent]

why can't he ping at the same time as he shoots

[junior needle]

Or often leads to them wasting shots shooting a dead thing I blasted first

[tall torrent]

there's no strict limitation on that

only limitation is bad keybind

[junior needle]

There will always be a delay if you're doing it manually

Even if you put it on a side button or something

Although in fairness it's most noticeable with plasma users

[bitter turtle]

i put ping on right click

[junior needle]

Because you ping then fire then your weapon has to charge before actually shooting

[bitter turtle]

when i ads i shoot

and it pings right before that then

[tall torrent]

I really doubt that

seems just like bad keybind to me

people who don't instinctively tag everything usually has that problem

[junior needle]

The difference between autoping and manual ping even if you're really good is in multiples

If autoping is like

0.01

[tall torrent]

and yea like yuri said, worst case scenario u just bind to same key as m2

[junior needle]

Yeah, that's what I mean by autoping

[tall torrent]

it's really not that big of a deal

the purpose is to remove the tagged enemy asap

it's achieving that purpose

[sullen scarab]

Someone got mad at me for pinging once

I was like ????

[junior needle]

Someone got mad at me for going in and out of stealth constantly

As shroud zealot

Strangely it was an ogryn player who got mad about it in voice chat

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[junior needle]

And then me and the other ogryn player started mocking him for it

[sullen scarab]

Yeah this guy was like 'Um why are you PINGING so much, didn't you know you have to BUILD UP YOUR STACKS, you probably watched some tryhard YOUTUBER'

I was like ????

[tall torrent]

he has a mistaken understanding of the keystone unfortunately

ur not meant to hold stacks on it, ever

[sullen scarab]

yeah

lmao

he wasn't even a veteran player, he was some psyker

[tall torrent]

block and move on

simple

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

I was just like uh ok man

and just finished the match

also

@tall torrent

[last parcel]

and then you opened a tab to watch some tryhard youtuber

[sullen scarab]

Look good now?

[sullen scarab]

yes

[tall torrent]

nice

[sullen scarab]

thanks for the help with it, it's a lot of fun

[tall torrent]

u should have told him that the keystone is meant to be used without waiting for any stacks

[frank ether]

It wouldn't be bad for the game if confirmed kill got nuked and each ult had its own cd reduction tech baked in sorta like zealot

[sullen scarab]

I was too busy hard carrying his ass

[tall torrent]

most competent QP random psyker

[junior needle]

confirmed kill is the toughness regen, you're thinking of tactical awareness

[frank ether]

yea

I skipped breakfast today

[junior needle]

I think at the very least the ping keystone should give you kill credit for talents

whenever a pinged target dies

[frank ether]

Doesn't it already do that for its own subnodes?

[junior needle]

2/3 yep

If it dies

[frank ether]

It doesn't do it for exe stance or tac awareness but I think those two things need attention on their own

[coral willow]

does it make bayonet stagger better

[junior needle]

No reason it shouldn't, but uh

It's a questionable choice

[somber axle]

I tested Falter IV in the Psykanium on a Helbore Mk III against a Crusher and even if you blatantly ignore every single damage buff to force extra shots on target you cannot use it to stagger a Crusher ever

Even in the absolute worst case scenario of damage and the best case scenario of multiple shots aimed for the stagger threshold you never meet it on them

And on a Mk III? Anything less than an Ogryn is going to get 1HKO'd anyway

Maybe if I test Falter IV on a Helbore Mk II with 0% damage it might be able to stagger a Crusher after 7 shots

[sturdy zephyr]

Interesting

[midnight totem]

in other words, falter sucks

[coral willow]

try it with the heavy special

[somber axle]

Do you mean throwing the bayonet swing into a Crusher

That sounds hilarious and you'd need Rending Strikes or it will bounce off harmlessly

[coral willow]

ok it stuns it

but never gets him down

[somber axle]

That's a weird but neat use case

[coral willow]

except

after first hit he gets stun immunity

[somber axle]

Bayonet swing with Falter IV can stagger a Crusher?

[coral willow]

and you get fucked

[left crag]

anyone used braced Graia with onslaught?

i kinda love it

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-saul-goodman-meme-saul-goodman-slip-bcs-better-call-saul-slip-gif-25537703

[coral willow]

@somber axle fuck it goes through shields

10/10

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-kermit-the-frog-kermit-hook-gif-26475607

[somber axle]

Hidden secret of the Mk III bayonet unlocked LMFAO

[coral willow]

also this was headhunter 3

sry not the uhhh

funny bayonet on hellbores

[somber axle]

Oooh

Headhunter gun bash is a weird one

[coral willow]

the bash has crazy stagger

[somber axle]

Headhunter Autoguns have a much better blessing pool to choose from

[coral willow]

but ye

you dont even need falter to do this to psych rager

yamcha

[somber axle]

They've got Surgical, Deadly Accurate, Headhunter, Ghost

Even Opening Salvo might have more value for certain breakpoints

[somber axle]

The gun bash animation and audio are so satisfying

[left crag]

that's a strong gun butt, massive stagger?

[grand perch]

Headhunter autogun bash is actually useful

Charged bash knocks down a rager

[junior needle]

You have to charged it to be useful huh

[sturdy zephyr]

Charged?i never knew that we can charged bash

Interesting

[coral willow]

only bash that has a heavy variant

except that it just covers your aim

[real pumice]

Here to say;
Shovel is love. Shovel is life.
That is all.

[last parcel]

I loved shovel so much, I had all the blessings and trinkets.
I pray to shovel every night, thanking him for the life I’ve been given.
My dad hears me and calls me a karker. I knew he was just jealous of my devotion to shovel.
I called him a psword deep throater.
He hits me and sends me to sleep.
I'm crying now and my face hurts.
I lay in bed, really cold. I feel something warm...
It's shovel! I was so happy.
He whispers in my ear "This is my munitorum."
He grabs me with his sapper handle, and puts me on my hands and knees. I'm ready.
I spread my standard issue field pack open.
He engages the folding action.

[iron marten]

huh

[left crag]

i like pressing fold shovel special in the elevator in intervals. it's like a fidget toy

[flat crypt]

Opening salvo is great on vraks VII. On the other hh autos only the first bullet gets the bonus if i'm not mistaken.

(btw would love to have as fast opening salvo on lasguns as it is on headhunters...)

[gleaming adder]

it be like this on the daily

[topaz lance]

Darktide is a dood game

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-choke-necrophilia-undertaker-meme-undertaker-sit-up-gif-25652447

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat recommended Opening Salvo on the Kantrael Mk XII for an easier and more consistent time hitting a breakpoint but I can't remember which

[last parcel]

#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

Yeah there it is

But that's with VoC

[earnest sand]

"Dead game" is gamer speak for "I don't want to play this today"

I have seen 2 conditions to be met for an actual dead game

1 servers are kaput, can't host anymore

2 it's a struggle to get a lobby going

1 game I had to refund because it met the second criteria was Spacehulk Deathwing

It was a massive struggle to find 3 other players

[somber axle]

People get so full of themselves they think they can define when a game is dead. WoW players have been calling it dead for years and even the travesty that was Shadowlands didn't kill it. The only time I see a game as dead is when it literally gets shut down like City of Heroes or Warhammer: Age of Reckoning. Even then those games get revivals in the way of either private servers or a company buying up the IP to restore the game years later

The hardest thing for people to admit is that they have no idea what they're talking about

The game didn't die

Your love for it did

Just move on

It's a game not an ex. There's no need to treat it like one

[modern crescent]

look on the bright side

it saves you the time of thinking about whether the opinion goes onto the trash or not

[earnest sand]

This is sponsored by Raid Shadowlegends

[modern crescent]

see key phrase, into the trash it goes

[white minnow]

dead games are stored in the balls

[shadow dagger]

does every curio effect have diminishing returns btw

or is it just the damage resist ones

[white minnow]

probably

if you can wade through here, then you can figure what's additive and multiplicative https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c26228b23b962cb4986350b25e39d6cbdb1d3c73/scripts/settings/buff/buff_settings.lua#L434

it's a good bet that they made reductive effects multiplicative and positive effects additive though

[flat crypt]

I'd really like to use OS on Mk XII because the damage boost is indeed great but the reset time between shots is twice (or worse) as long vs the headhunters 😖 you have to wait for it unlike on for example vraks VII it doesn't really slow down your RoF. But you know, balance in all things. Mk XII would most likely be too powerful with faster opening salvo 😅

[somber axle]

Opening Salvo Helbores please

Make my Helbore Mk III even funnier

[flat crypt]

🤣

[coral willow]

probably broken lmfao

[flat crypt]

At least give helbore III the the melee of I and II

[coral willow]

if we ever get longlas there better be opening salvo

[coral willow]

give like caxe damage

so it oneshots most to head

and give brutal momentum on helbores

[flat crypt]

Or ruthless backstab 🤔

[coral willow]

that sounds fun

like aside from nerfing rending blessings

they should give it to more weapons

backstab on other weapons sound fun

infiltrate and helbore charge the crusher back

even if its not really that great

[flat crypt]

it's about sendind a message

instead of 1-2 shotting your head i choose to stab you in the back 4-5 times

[somber axle]

Manstopper Helbores

[tough tiger]

imagine
uncanny strike thammers

[coral willow]

better yet

brutal momentum crusis

[shadow dagger]

headhunter voidstrike

[earnest sand]

Any way to make a meta build with Las guns?

I think bullets are a bit out of fashion by 41k

[shadow dagger]

if the sights on lasguns that weren't infantry didn't sit so low on the gun I'd probably use them more

and I simply can't be bothered to use the weapon customization mod

[bitter turtle]

which one

ilas?

laspistol?

and what do you mean by meta

no they wont beat plasma/revolver/ciag

they're pretty good though

[earnest sand]

Infantry MG La one

[bitter turtle]

ghost/headhunter

[earnest sand]

Why?

[bitter turtle]

what do you mean by why

as in

how little do you understand the suggestion

and how much do i need to explain

[earnest sand]

Why those talents?

[shadow dagger]

headhunter blessing gives you crit chance for literally just using the gun the way you're supposed to use it

[bitter turtle]

ghost - makes you immune to gunners so you're excellent at countersniping other gunners

[shadow dagger]

and ghost is just nice

[bitter turtle]

headhunter = its just a somewhat dmg boost in consistency

other ption is headhunter/DA but i dont really think its as good as it sounds

[shadow dagger]

what does max headhunter stack up to again

[bitter turtle]

headhunter is consistent but not reliable when you absolutely need it

[shadow dagger]

25%?

[bitter turtle]

so you cant crit on demand

half the time the DA dmg boost is wasted on a shot that overkills anyway

becoming immune to gunners is a lot better imo

[bitter turtle]

20% per stack

up to 5 times

[shadow dagger]

oh right

[bitter turtle]

25% max is the recon one

[serene bough]

HH gives big crit bonus and ghost gives immunity when popping heads, which is what you'll be doing a lot with an iLas

[earnest sand]

What about Mk13?

[serene bough]

others like DA or opening salvo arent useful on 1a

[earnest sand]

The other semi auto las gun

[serene bough]

helbores?

ilas marks are 4 1 and 12

[earnest sand]

Mk13/12, its still a MG

12 yes

[serene bough]

generally the same

but if youre gonna bring a mk12 you should use exe stance

[earnest sand]

Difference?

[serene bough]

mk12 can reliably 1 tap many things with exe stance, 1a will do that a lot but with some exceptions like scab gunners

generally id argue 1a is better than 12

you could use the mk12 without exe stance if you bring opening salvo and use marksmans focus

but generally for all the ilas the safest blessings are HH and Ghost

[earnest sand]

So keep 1a?

[serene bough]

yeah 1a or 4 are the two best picks

perks go for flak + elite

or flak + unarmored I guess works too

[earnest sand]

I wonder how the red paint job looks like on the las gun

I got weak green vision so the base green paintjob looks more washed to me

Is it a good idea to dump shots into a boss? @serene bough

[flat crypt]

With infernus yes

[serene bough]

Ilas isn't great on bosses or flak body shots

[earnest sand]

Meleeing a beast of nurgle isn't ideal either

[serene bough]

You'd best pair it with a melee weapon that can chip armor

[earnest sand]

Which are?

[serene bough]

You can melee BoN as long as he doesn't puke on you

[thick kestrel]

probably not assasination targets, as their void shields do a ton of damage reduction and prevent things like burn stacks.

for monstrosities and big'uns it tends to be situational but doing some damage is always better than no damage.

[serene bough]

He won't eat if you don't have debuff

[serene bough]

PS mk6, Rashad, and the combat knives are good options

[earnest sand]

PS mk6? What's that?

[serene bough]

Power sword

[thick kestrel]

ideally if you can smack them with melee that's a good plan. if you're not in a safe spot to do so? shoot away

[earnest sand]

So powersword mk6 and lasgun 1a?

Sounds rounded?

[serene bough]

Its a safe pick

If you value mobility more then try the knife w/ uncanny strikes

Powerswords have poor mobility

A middle ground between the two is the Rashad axe w/ brutal momentum, but im personally not a fan

[earnest sand]

When it's generally safe to reload?

[serene bough]

Whenever you're not in melee range

You shouldn't require reload perks

[earnest sand]

Are body shots that bad? Usually a moving target is hard to nail in the head so I go for upper torso

Fot example if a boom boom holder comes towards me I go for torso shots since head moves around

[frank ether]

make a laspistol melee vet

use your melee for like %80 of the game

put the funny blessing that makes you immune to ranged dmg

I think this also works for psyker

tide games are challenging and require a lot of skill 🤡

[hexed cliff]

Ye that’s what I use

[agile forge]

Depends on the gun

Look at the weapon's attack tables and see how big a difference weakspot hits make

On an infantry lasgun it's very significant iirc

Laspistols even more so?

While a recon lasgun (spit) doesn't have that much of a weakspot bonus

Same with ogryn ranged weapons

Also consider that often the head has weaker armour than the body. Often, not always. Maulers are the biggest exception to that rule

But like dreg gunners have Flak body, unarmoured heads

Same on Scab bombers I wanna say?

[inland orchid]

ye, i can confirm that for sure since i was in meat grinder last darktide session

Flak on scab bomber body, unarmored on their bald heads

noticed it a lil quick cuz alot of my guns got +flak damage

[earnest sand]

So suppression is a load of crap

Never affects the enemy but always does the player

[agile forge]

It does affect them I think, but it's not so noticable

Since usually you kill them before they can realise they're being suppressed

If you try something like the ogryn kickback you can see it in action more

[tame lodge]

Melee enemies don't care, stalkers don't care, gunners that are shooting don't care

Groaners do a little dance and then proceeds to run at you

Funny

[mental cloud]

I feel like scabs will take off running but it has to be a pretty big group to notice.

[tame lodge]

Get a Brauto, use exec to highlight and shoot at them, see how they react

[wraith flare]

Lasguns smell bad, 1/5 wouldn’t touch

[coral willow]

lasgun is fine

infantry that is

not the mk12

[umbral garnet]

Lasgun Ia can kick some solid ass.

To be fair, I have a crit build for it so +100 weak spot critical damage would of course lead to some good damage

[coral willow]

do you guys call that lasgun 1a, or lasgun la, or lasgun Ia

[umbral garnet]

I use I

[coral willow]

la cause it sounds funny

[tame lodge]

La lasgun huh

[wraith flare]

But u know what else kicks even more ass? Anything but lasguns

[umbral garnet]

Afraid of a flashlight?

Let me larp as the poster boy vet in peace damn you

[wraith flare]

Never!

[tame lodge]

For a poster weapon (and backbone of the guard) the lasgun does drain a lot of stamina when sprinting

[umbral garnet]

Besides, if you know how to use it, it can feel like a Zarona

Or, well, as efficient as one

[agile forge]

It's I as in the roman numeral for the number one

so it's 1a using arabic numerals

[serene bough]

lasguns are good

[agile forge]

apart from being stopped by 1mm of organic material

[serene bough]

idk why people think infantry las are somehow lacking theyre solid and dependable

they have some clear weakness but overall a solid weapon

[umbral garnet]

Who needs cleave

Cleave is for cowards who wants to take out a conga line of ragers or shotgunner

COWARDS, I SAY

[coral willow]

cleave guns are only like

agrapina guns

annnd mk7a recon cause idk

[umbral garnet]

The BIG cleave machines is zarona and plasma

[hearty panther]

dr robotniks big cleave machine

[coral willow]

pushma

[tame lodge]

7a still winning 🗣️

Not much though cuz still a recon

[coral willow]

i have a decent one

[hearty panther]

930am

feels like 35c

so its gonna be like this today huh

[grand perch]

insert Hadron complaining about whiny rejects

[hearty panther]

-unplugs hadrons AIO from her power supply-

[austere pine]

@tall torrent this appears to be false on infiltrate from my experience

[hearty panther]

false how

attack anims already in action will still play out

[austere pine]

going invis DOES drop DH aggro

[hearty panther]

it shouldnt be

[austere pine]

i've killed a couple teammates accidentally that way already

[inland orchid]

ya it shouldnt considerin that caused alot of tomfoolery via redirecting agro

i swear i read on a patch note where they said they "fixed" that

[tame lodge]

But DH was buffed to detect invisible

[inland orchid]

exactly

[tame lodge]

What the hell

[inland orchid]

so u can't hide from it, but u can still de-agro?

confusin

[austere pine]

DH does detect nearby invis rejects, yes. but when aggroed already, going invis makes it change aggro from you to sb else

[tame lodge]

Patch 14

[inland orchid]

well shit

looks like we still aint avoidin the cases

[hearty panther]

interesting

[austere pine]

or was it zealot that i was playing?

anything about shroudfield?

[tame lodge]

Also patch #14

Welp, time to find a DH and test Shroudfield

[austere pine]

i swear to all that's holy that i've killed teammates by going invis

[inland orchid]

you are better than most nata

cuz most wouldnt admit to their crimes

[hearty panther]

like if I'm just playing yknow

and i accidentally bump a demonhost and i have stealth

... im gonna use it lmao

not to run but because its my ability

its a toughness refresh and whatever else

[austere pine]

same here. it was never intentional on my end. but it did happen and i felt bad

[hearty panther]

so anyway i totally have stealthed and let someone else die for my mistake

but i did try to kill it

its mostly annoying that being attacked by the dh is the best way to fight it

bitch is so flighty and pushy otherwise

very obnoxious

constantly feels like you're swimming up a current to land hits

[hoary horizon]

i swear on all that is divine, ive survived many times

[austere pine]

hence invis into hitting it

because it does drop aggro and switches to sb else

first chance i get i'm running it into a dh

[tame lodge]

Good, more data

[arctic rampart]

Are there patch notes? I dont see any on r/darktide. Infiltrate got a buff?

[austere pine]

this was months ago

but it seems it got bugged somewhere along the way

[arctic rampart]

Aww. I should have known better than to expect guns or bugfixes.

[midnight totem]

https://youtu.be/zYp0sF6uhk8?si=DBY0ysG8TOPT5n-L

[hoary horizon]

meh, not always

[terse idol]

We literally had bug fixes last patch

But okaaayy

Also why does infiltrate need a buff?

[wide pike]

Kinda stinks compared to the other two

[terse idol]

Uh

No?

Exe is much worse

Infiltrate just has a Point Tax

[hoary horizon]

nah

okay listen right

[terse idol]

VoC is just

OP

[hoary horizon]

all of them, are good

just situational

[terse idol]

True

(But infiltrate isn't bad)

[hoary horizon]

i use infiltrate a LOT

basicly what i use as vet

[midnight totem]

No no

Infiltrate is terrible

Please buff it Fatshark

https://tenor.com/view/wink-wink-agnes-agatha-harkness-kathryn-hahn-wandavision-gif-22927975

[wide pike]

The people that say it’s bad aren’t good at the game

[umbral cloud]

I think VOC needs a buff

[wide pike]

Honestly needs a rework

Something like that payday 2 shout revive

[umbral cloud]

I like Infil but I don’t like that both zealot and veteran have stealth - would rather have unique abilities between classes

[midnight totem]

-looks at vermintide where multiple characters have different stealths-

-shrug-

[hoary horizon]

true, i like them all,

[midnight totem]

There's only so much you can really do as abilities without getting too op

Or keeping it in lore

[raw steppe]

I think the poor balancing comes from cd balancing lol

VoC with all the stuff attached to it should be a 40 not a 30

[arctic rampart]

Yeah I have 3 CD buffs and "on elite kill reduce CD" trait and I spam the bajesus out of VOC. just use it when its up

[terse idol]

tfw

You press exe

for 5 seconds

on a boss

With a lasgun

It's not bad

It's situational™️

Which is the truth

[arctic rampart]

exe & infiltrate both seem viable & fun. but voc is probably higher winrate

[terse idol]

I mean

Infiltrate is actually good

It's the issue of trying to compare

The most POWERFUL BLITZ

With anything else

[somber axle]

I once saved someone who was in the middle of dying to a Daemonhost by popping Exe Stance and firing as fast as I could with my Mk II Helbore directly into a Daemonhost face

[arctic rampart]

I think they are both good and fun and if I see a teammate running them it makes me happy

[somber axle]

I have desperately tried to recreate it ever since

It has not happened again yet

[terse idol]

It's just weird to advocate for an infiltrate buff

Maybe a point-tax buff

[arctic rampart]

infiltrate the one gotcha is it gets your weaker teammates killed with the aggro dump

[terse idol]

just uh

Be careful I guess, or don't take the agro reduction

[arctic rampart]

I dont run infiltrate but lots of time I suddenly see shitloads of things coming to me when teammate running it. I like the extra aggro as its fun, I'll just hit VOC and kill them.

[frank ether]

doesnt make other ults more attractive

[austere pine]

the de-aggro is something you need to leverage to give them more advantage than the disadvantage of more enemies on less people

[frank ether]

doesn't make yellow toughness more balanced either

[terse idol]

All I'm saying is like

I dunno you gotta know the infiltrate

[austere pine]

if you can't leverage the disadvantage into it actually being an advantage it will always be worse than voc

[terse idol]

People can't just stay around

And not help the team when you drop the agro

[radiant linden]

Just use it as a dmg boost, nothing more.

or charge ranged elites clump

[frank ether]

dropping aggro is the opposite of being useful to your team

its conceptually flawed even if your goal is to shoot enemies, now you stare at their backs instead of their face

[austere pine]

?

..?

[radiant linden]

why would you shoot with infiltration?

[raw steppe]

It actually does lol, by making one option worse the other options become more attractive

If VoC had a 2 min cooldown

[austere pine]

plush have you ever used infiltrate to a point you knew what to do and when to use it?

[raw steppe]

I would guarantee you nobody would use it

[frank ether]

Please stop acting like its some rocket science ult that only you know how to use

[raw steppe]

Its literally common sense bro

[austere pine]

it's fucking not

[raw steppe]

If you have to pick between x options

[austere pine]

but it's not a "oh i have ult better use it" ability

it's a tool

[raw steppe]

If one option becomes worse the others become better

[radiant linden]

just because you cant use infiltration right, does not mean you have to spread misinformation

[arctic rampart]

Its not complicated. Its a game use the one you find fun.

[terse idol]

I mean

Then you could say Shroudfield is the same

[raw steppe]

And please stop acting like a sanctimonious fuck and speak properly. Dont be an asshat

[terse idol]

Dropped aggro

[frank ether]

practical applications for infiltrate:

1. play gameboy
2. play ''combat medic'' as you revive people that died over the aggro you dumped on them
3. pretend that it lets you setup ambushes or whatever aka larping

[terse idol]

You just have to know how to use it

Why would I use infiltrate

Soley to play for revive

And not for the damage portion

Or the Toughness refill

[arctic rampart]

I mean people use infiltrate for one shot big numbers fun -- who doesnt love that? -- and hero res moments

[radiant linden]

Infiltration run

[raw steppe]

People playing video games how they enjoy? How dare they.

[frank ether]

shroudfield is used to nuke bosses and the like

[raw steppe]

This isnt allowed

[raw steppe]

No this isnt allowed

No fun

[frank ether]

You can't play the ''don't touch my fun'' card after playing the ''you don't know how to use it'' card bruv.

pick a fucking side

[raw steppe]

Feel free to quote anything i said

You're literally making shit up now

[austere pine]

who gives a shit if anybody larps an infiltrator? roleplaying is the most fun you can have in a game by far and wide (else we wouldn't have cadian personalities)

[raw steppe]

LOL

[arctic rampart]

Playing darktide is better than being a toilet servitor

[radiant linden]

you clearly fall in to both category

[somber axle]

Depends on how someone uses it. If you use the time with low aggro to dump your ranged damage into threats without fear you can clear the room and make it much safer. Instead of needing to kite ragers and find a moment swap to your ranged weapon while still kiting those ragers to shoot at the three snipers and the incoming trapper across the room you can infiltrate stealth, kill the trapper, kill the snipers and then line up shots on the ragers to wipe them all out ASAP. If someone just hits infiltrate and hides then they're failing to use the opportunity to help the team

[ancient sedge]

Anyone got a good Infiltrator build?

[austere pine]

i was the one who said to not use infiltrate if you don't know how to

[austere pine]

lemme hop to vet