depends on the gun
#veteran-class
tacit sonnet
faint beacon
Worse dodges you’ll get with it is 3 best is 5
tacit sonnet
I guess I'll equip my columnus
I don't like how trauma blessing sounds
It's just extra impact
faint beacon
That’ll work, still find it hilarious you can consistently stagger Mutants with the SA on the SIM shovel by just learning about poking their head mid charge
tacit sonnet
I'd rather get decimator
unique orchid
also fine
tacit sonnet
And flak instead of sprint speed I guess
faint beacon
Deci or Skullcrusher I’d say is the two you could think on
tall torrent
low point cost option for sharpshooter veteran to deal with carapace
Has very mid horde clear
shadow urchin
Whoa, the Krieg must be jacked to disarm that axe one-handed.
tall torrent
It doesn’t have +cleave blessings so fighting bruiser hordes will be noticeably harder
midnight totem
Whoa, the Krieg must be jacked to disarm that axe one-handed.
The Kreig had Trauma on his shovel, the Traitor couldn't use Slaughter for power on his since he didn't score a kill beforehand.
Impact knocks him down, easy kill 
tawny badger
getting sick of these fraudulent waist-high barriers
uncut leaf
whats the standard build for powersword + plasma gun?
snow cypress
How do you see this curiosity perks for vet toughness generator? +4 ability speed,+5 toughness,+30% toughness regeneration
Btw the toughness i regenerate passively is also given a 15% of it to my partners if I have born leader?
coral willow
It's just extra impact
if the thing has like skullcrusher its gonna damage well with it
cause skullcrusher requires the enemy to be staggered to get the debuff correct
honestly just spam voc
tall torrent
Btw the toughness i regenerate passively is also given a 15% of it to my partner...
No
tall torrent
Born leader scales from non-coherency toughness
Toughness regen is coherency toughness regen
They’re 2 different things and do not interact
snow cypress
damm it
tall torrent
Toughness regen is also just not that great for veteran imo
snow cypress
oh
tall torrent
U might get a bit more value out of toughness regen on Ogryn maybe
snow cypress
I said it because i tought it would be useful to give more toughness to the team,but if you say that is not that good
coral willow
generally spamming voc achieves the same effect tbh
coral willow
not that it matters +50is a high bar
zealot goes +100 and gives toughness damage resistance buts way slower
coral willow
its just better really
knocks crusher on their ass vs slightly pushes them back
like its only not good on bulwarks i guess
coral willow
i use frag
snow cypress
How do you see this curiosity perks for vet toughness generator? +4 ability spe...
+4 ability speed is good,no?
coral willow
knocks them down so i can shovel them
snow cypress
i use frag
oh
coral willow
+4 ability speed is good,no?
its like uh, -4% cooldown from your total cooldown p sure
idk really
its good
snow cypress
its like uh, -4% cooldown from your total cooldown p sure
it's one specialist less to kill to get my ability ready
if i get it on my 3 curiosities
Without it I have to kill 5
serene bough
Im so excited for the emoji to be posted on Twitter to tease the update !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
snow cypress
Im so excited for the emoji to be posted on Twitter to tease the update !!!!!!!!...
oh,which one?
oh nvm
dumb question
XD
snow cypress
its like uh, -4% cooldown from your total cooldown p sure
which curiosities would you recommend for my build?
shadow urchin
getting sick of these fraudulent waist-high barriers
There's a particular railing asset I swear always eats my first vault attempt.
snow cypress
which curiosities would you recommend for my build?
It's just making toughness and spamming VOC
tawny badger
There's a particular railing asset I swear always eats my first vault attempt.
is it the one with the holes in it
The arched one
shadow urchin
is it the one with the holes in it
No, the one with the weird rounded bits.
Its in that one room in Archivum Sycorax, right before the first elevator/mid event
But mayhaps it is railings in general.
tawny badger
ooo yeah
in my case it’s either
- gunners not giving a damn about the fact that I’m crouched behind cover
- vAULT OVER THE BARRIER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
shadow urchin
The cover thing is real, that's why my vet is smol. I swear any taller and the top of my head sticks out or something.
tawny badger
Ain’t no way the height actually affects your hitbox like that
I mean that’s a neat attention to detail but also :(
shadow urchin
I've no other way to explain why my max-height zealot tallboy gets lit up when crouching behind cover.
snow cypress
Guys does this activates Born Leader?
agile yew
Just your daily dose of Melk teasing with lvl 3 Power Cycler
Half year gone and still no IV
At this point i dont even logon to the game anymore, just go check out if its there for laughs
agile forge
Tbh 4 changes very little
It took me a year to get it
And I find I still do 2 hit combos most of the time lmao
mortal orbit
At this point i dont even logon to the game anymore, just go check out if its th...
Roll grays until get it at anoited?
agile yew
Dont have the resources for it
Blazing Spirit for Trauma Staff took me 2 weeks of material farming and about 40 tries until i got it. And its 1 out of 7 and only lvl 3
This would be way more costly to do
balmy flume
inland orchid
rock n stone? 
midnight totem
You get a better chance of rolling for pc4 by rolling to transcendent then by rolling to blue
tawny badger
getting height reduction surgery so I can actually take cover behind waist-high barriers
somber axle
every once in a while I remember Vet has a cover mechanic
and then remember to just crouch behind a box and aim to peek over it
midnight totem
We have a cover mechanic?
last parcel
yeah
somber axle
if you put yourself up against a wall near a corner and right click your character will peek out to the side too
no one uses it though
LMFAO
everyone is usually too busy running around to stop and taking cover anywhere
I usually forget it exists even in times when it'd be actually useful like for killing gunners/reapers from cover
Vet is the only class that can do this
tiny summit
getting height reduction surgery so I can actually take cover behind waist-high ...
Krall I how much to make me a short king with a bakery
midnight totem
tiny summit
Soft cover leaning is the extent of the cover system
midnight totem
Vet is the only class that can do this
Wtf
I
Why
This isn't mentioned anywhere in game
tiny summit
Fatshark gaming
midnight totem
Why only vet?
somber axle
Vet is the only one who realised that cover is important
Zealots are too busy charging into melee to realise hiding behind cover and shooting from safety is a good tactic
Psykers are too busy thinking about blowing up their own head to worry about someone else shooting it off
Ogryns ARE the cover
near bay
I swear I took cover as my Zealot once or twice
midnight totem
I can't walk up behind an ogryn with a slab shield and peak out behind him
With that mechanic
somber axle
This isn't mentioned anywhere in game
don't worry I think I was 600 hours into the game (and mained Vet exclusively for those 600 hours) before I discovered cover peeking exists
midnight totem
Are you immune to shots and can you shoot back from peeking?
somber axle
Are you immune to shots and can you shoot back from peeking?
not totally immune but the majority of your body profile is safe so most shots will not land
last parcel
This isn't mentioned anywhere in game
i think they mention it in a single sentence of the class description when you make a new character
lime gyro
The fact more vets dont use cover still surprises me till this day
I see alot of vets playing like zealots and rushing in head first
last parcel
my cover is faith
lime gyro
Understandable the Emperor protects
near bay
I just wish a zealot would mind my back while I take out shooters. Yes, I know the gunners are murdering us but I can't do anything is I got poxers on me
lime gyro
Shield ogryns are the best cuz they are just mobile cover
somber axle
I usually play too aggressive pushing fast into enemy lines to get better angles on them
Just dodge and you don't need cover
I fallback behind cover if I turn a corner into something I realise is a mistake to run headfirst into
near bay
I mean, I'm a ogryn main most of the time, I am the cover
dreamy spade
The vet lean ability should be around corners too because i hardly ever use it
midnight totem
I mean. Everybody puts away their gun if you're in melee with them
somber axle
The vet lean ability should be around corners too because i hardly ever use it
I'm like 90% sure it works at corners too
but I haven't used it in forever
midnight totem
I've gotten pretty used to dodging sliding and charging at enemy lines
somber axle
clown dancing is too fun
midnight totem
Even with a power sword
somber axle
https://i.imgur.com/q8e0kJc.png
one sec while I consult the ancient texts
dreamy spade
Swap both blessings
somber axle
tacit sonnet
one sec while I consult the ancient texts
Please share that ancient wisdom with me
dreamy spade
U want bloodletter and headtaker
last parcel
i should ask them for the wip version
somber axle
Probably swap Bloodthirsty to Bloodletter and go Rev It Up to Headtaker/Slaughterer
I'd probably prefer Headtaker over Slaughterer
Unyielding and Carapace are fine
They'll mean you kill Crushers with it and demolish bosses
Don't do maniac
that's not necessary for this weapon LOL
tacit sonnet
Unfortunately I have 0 blessings unlocked for chain axe
tacit sonnet
As this weapon was ass for most of it's lifespan and I never bothered
midnight totem
It's probably vet's simplest elite killer
agile forge
Is 12 just better than 4?
tacit sonnet
oh, melk sells 2 chain axes, one with bloodletter and one with bloodletter slaugherer
lol
thanks
Useful for once
agile forge
I want to make one for my zelly
midnight totem
12 has better strike down, worse horde clear
somber axle
I've gotten pretty used to dodging sliding and charging at enemy lines
Wolfer when he sees the next Reject squad dodge sliding through his sector
tacit sonnet
https://i.imgur.com/V2qJalY.png
Can someone please tell me which catachan sword is this?
I know there is a good one
and a bad one
And one other I think that's also decent
midnight totem
Can someone please tell me which catachan sword is this?
It's the mk4
Most people like the mk4
First heavy is strike down
The others swap up the heavies
tacit sonnet
Emperor really gave me 3 good weapons today
tacit sonnet
Don't remember when I got anything even half decent last time
somber axle
https://tenor.com/view/anime-avoiding-responsibilities-dodging-gif-5843482
the silent trapper behind us when we're busy dodge sliding
tawny badger
Krall I how much to make me a short king with a bakery
krall watching the 300th varlet this day request a BBL
tiny summit
krall watching the 300th varlet this day request a BBL
It'll be impressive when the ogryn asks
tawny badger
the sound that would make
midnight totem
Masoszi be like: I can't do stealth insertions when your ogryn is dummy thicc and his ass cheeks keep alerting the Moebian skyfire defences
last parcel
lemme tap that ogrussy
plush jetty
how long does it take for a "salvo" to reset ? on both semi and full auto weapons ?
hearty panther
its tied to the weapon anim
so whenever it literally visibly sets back after a shot. opening salvo will light up
easiest way to tell
plush jetty
OK nice ty
Also does salvo blessing stack their damage ? for example, weakspot salvo + normal shot salvo ?
old quail
yes, they're also shots 2-3-4 in a salvo, not 3-4
midnight totem
Oh hey, Warframe pfp
old quail
(except for opening salvo)
midnight totem
Parry right before enemy swing connects
plush jetty
yes, they're also shots 2-3-4 in a salvo, not 3-4
I meant Punishing salvo + Sustained fire, those stacks in damage ?
midnight totem
Yes they stack
old quail
yeah
old quail
all attacks are parryable, overheads you have to do it within the last ~300ms otherwise it eats all your stamina and guardbreaks you
tacit sonnet
I CAN PARRY CRUSHERS?
plush jetty
I haven't played that in 2 years
Advice : if you feel there's too much shit to do but wanna play still, don't take it as a sprint, just unlock stuff at your own pace and have fun. I stopped playing a long time ago because I burnt out. Fantastic game still tho
plush jetty
all attacks are parryable, overheads you have to do it within the last ~300ms ot...
oh so there ARE perfect parries, interesting
old quail
yeah, i think for every other case it's just a somewhat notable stamina cost reduction
it's only overheads where it's particularly significant (and doesn't apply to regular blocking sadly)
midnight totem
Advice : if you feel there's too much shit to do but wanna play still, don't tak...
I just got too much to play man
I gotta write DnD campaigns for my friends, be a Ninja in Warframe, keep up my declining apm in StarCraft, slay heretics for the Emperor, save the world (again) in FFXIV while maintaining an island, have chivalrous duels in For Honor by ledging anybody who's not a Knight, and play taxes atop my normal 9 to 5?
midnight totem
Life's tough
tiny summit
Havent played For Honor since like the first 3 months of its launch. I did enjoy the text chat as a lawbringer.
near bay
My best memory is being called the n-word by my own teammate. Funniest thing that ever happened.
tiny summit
Imagine For Honor. Combining technically a team hero game with fighting game mindsets
last parcel
this is my favorite for honor memory
midnight totem
As well as Imperial Fist
last parcel
really encapsulates the essence of the game
tiny summit
League of Legends fighting game 2XKO toxicity is gonna be wild
midnight totem
One of my favorite games was
near bay
I played League once. Not my cuppa tea.
midnight totem
Putting on my imperial fist logo and Lawbringer
Against a guy named Kharne
Anyway, I grenaded him to death and constantly ledged him
I'm not stupid, I'm not fighting Kharne fairly
tiny summit
Those e-couple shorts like for Valorant, wondering how thats gonna go for 2XKO
somber axle
geez
why are MOBAs and fighting game communities so nuts
I've never even seen that behavior in MMORPG PvP
LOL
somber axle
I played LoL a LOT but the gameplay got kinda boring and repetitive to me so I quit around the time they stopped doing their funny lore newsletter
somber axle
Pretty sure I've seen it in wow pvp >_>
Alliance side or Horde side? Also casual or rated? I was a casual only player so I never saw arenas/rated BGs
midnight totem
And you're not in creature conflict for ffxiv pvp, I've seen people get salty as fuck
Horde
somber axle
People spamming certain chat lines in FF14 PvP when they're mad LMFAO
somber axle
that's basically red Alliance
midnight totem
I had an alliance alt. Worgen
somber axle
My main was Night Elf because they were my fav faction from WC3
plus Shadowmeld in Warsong Gulch flag room for ambushing people
funny memories of instagibbing people
midnight totem
A serious answer though. The way I see it. League especially has the issue with its formula that
In a 5v5 format
midnight totem
It's very easy for one player's overall skill or lack of it to snowball and exponentially fracture a team's cohesion.
terse idol
Hmm
somber axle
it's a staple for the competitive scene in any game but unfortunately even casual League has people being weirdly competitive LOL
terse idol
This is why I thought HOTs was so much better
Because it was more teamcentric
1 person can't usually carry the entire game like in league
somber axle
I can't think of any game community more well known for being awful than LoL
other than like
terse idol
it's a staple for the competitive scene in any game but unfortunately even casua...
Casual competitive just hits
somber axle
CoD lobbies
midnight totem
And fighting games are fighting games
terse idol
I'm not playing casually in a casual minded lobby
I'm gonna play hard to learn
(And destroy people, and be destroyed myself)
somber axle
And fighting games are fighting games
midnight totem
Characters are never "perfectly balanced" outside a mirror match
terse idol
I can't think of any game community more well known for being awful than LoL
Well, uhhh dota kinda
midnight totem
So people can throw blame wherever they like, inleiu of actual personal mechanical improvement
terse idol
There is no other game that matches can go 1 hour of the enemy team not ending
And your team also kinda griefing
midnight totem
It's not like StarCraft 2, where pure mechanical speed is a big part of improving
terse idol
So people can throw blame wherever they like, inleiu of actual personal mechanic...
The issue being, with any competitive game it's so easy to just micro focus on someone and notice every mistake and then saying "I could do your job better"
Sc2 isss, well at the start it is juggling your macro timing
I think wintersc2 put it best
You gotta learn the "real time" part of the game
somber axle
There is no other game that matches can go 1 hour of the enemy team not ending
idk I can think of a few games where you could play ultra-lame and force really long matches
midnight totem
Yes
terse idol
Before you can even touch the "strategy"
somber axle
WC3 you could just carve into a treeline and hide a base in the trees once you have space in some corner of the map forcing your opponent to check every single tile in the grid for your last base or to give up and forfeit
and if they find it
you've built another
on the other side of the map
LMFAO
midnight totem
When I played Planetside 2 with an outfit, we weren't the very best players on the server
But we were good enough and tactics and strategy carried us the rest of the way
No salt, just fun
somber axle
I tried planetside 2 because a friend recommended it but I had no idea what was happening and it was always a zerg rush
I wasn't sure how to learn how to play the game so I quit after a few times running in with the group and dying + not even being sure what killed me
midnight totem
It's very overwhelming for a newbie too
somber axle
If you don't have a friend to help you understand things the game sorta just leaves you to figure it out through trial and error LOL
midnight totem
I wrote a post on the reddit to be more inclusive and training newbies to learn the game because there's literally a hundred ways to die and not including your teammates
covert sluice
Hey all! Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to do the long bomb penance and I cant figure out how to get the grenade to not bounce. Any advice?
midnight totem
Hey all! Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to do the lo...
Two good places to try for the penance
Chasm Terminus ammo pick up mission
When you reach the Valk, slot in all of the ammo, there should be a horde that spawns at your drop down into the area
So grenade it from the valk
You'll get it easily
covert sluice
I see, thanks for the advice I'll give it a shot!
tall torrent
Hey all! Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to do the lo...
throw it at enemies 40m away
high throw
midnight totem
You can test ranges in the psykanium
tall torrent
bascially u want the grenade to airburst
midnight totem
See how far you have to be for the grenade to detonate in midair
covert sluice
This is an outstanding visual aid lmao
Ill make sure to try in the psykanium first
sullen scarab
Just rolled this 😮 Better to run Slaughter instead of Thrust on this, or Bloodletter?
midnight totem
Aye. It was a grand thing in that game to mass within a camped spawn room, Don exosuits or redeploy to pull a tank line to break a siege from the next base over.
But a lone newbie wouldn't know any of that. He'll just get farmed
Not a great experience
clear lantern
this is my favorite for honor memory
I'd appreciate you not scrubquoting something full of a bunch of slurs and bigotry.
visual sandal
Thanks Melk
clear lantern
How do you guys 1v1 the horde?
swing wide & away
hearty panther
its really easy you just square up on those heretical fuckos and you go swish swash swoosh and then pow and when you here a fwwwwwish you go BLOCK and then whooom wham kaplak
and before ya know it
tertium is free
midnight totem
But what about if the horde is behind ya
Whats this Ulgo
Surely an ogryn with as massive and sturdy arms like you has no problem 360ing the horde around you
clear lantern
sometimes the horde is really just 4-6 maulers walking on babysoft pillows so they don't make a sound and manage to strike you all at once.
hoary horizon
Surely an ogryn with as massive and sturdy arms like you has no problem 360ing t...
Yeah but im loving using a chansword
tall torrent
Just rolled this 😮 Better to run Slaughter instead of Thrust on this, or Bloodl...
Slaughterer
Groaners Dmg to carapace
tall torrent
But what about if the horde is behind ya
Pay attention to backstab sound cue and use block when needed, try to get out of being surrounded asap
hoary horizon
Pay attention to backstab sound cue and use block when needed, try to get out of...
Got it
modern tapir
is there anyway to identefy weapon types ... i hate the spray fire weapons but it doesnt tell anywhere what a weapon does until i craft it... currently im looking for a Burst weapon but i havce no effing clue wich one it would be and just keep spening all my money going through them
near bay
Headhunter Autoguns
modern tapir
so whats the naming convention
near bay
So, autoguns come in three types: Headhunters are your burst (save for the tan version, that is semi-auto), Braced are shot from the hip, and Infantry can be aimed down the sights
modern tapir
also on another note can i get rid ofthe BOTS
tall torrent
is there anyway to identefy weapon types ... i hate the spray fire weapons but i...
Vraks Mk III and Agripinaa Mk IX headhunter autoguns are burst fire
tall torrent
so whats the naming convention
“Kantrael” - lore stuff
“MG4” - variant
“Infantry Lasgun” - weapon type
modern tapir
the naming convention / lack of weapon info in this game is kinda ass ... and so is the AI, they kinda did a lot of things wrong they got right in Vermintide
variant?
what does that mean in terms of handeling
tall torrent
variant?
Each weapon type has up to 3 variants, differentiated by variant name
For guns it’s usually
High firerate low dmg
High dmg low firerate
Somewhere in the middle
For melee it’s moveset difference
modern tapir
god i already hate this system ... so basicly i need a spreadsheet if i wanna know what gives me what ... why coulndt they just tag the info on the blueprint (i mean they will probably become useless end game cuz i assue u get better stuff from drops, but still)
hollow ibex
the naming convention / lack of weapon info in this game is kinda ass ... and so...
Yeah very confusing when you first get started
And sometimes some variants are just straight up worse than others lol
modern tapir
And sometimes some variants are just straight up worse than others lol
sounds fun
hollow ibex
Fwiw before level 30 just use whatever the fuck you want
tall torrent
god i already hate this system ... so basicly i need a spreadsheet if i wanna kn...
I can help
hollow ibex
Because you're replacing everything anyway
bitter turtle
Just try things and see what you like because pre 30 gear is going to have lower stats
tall torrent
It just depends on how ready you are for a 70+ page veteran guide
But it is really good I promise
bitter turtle
If you want semi auto guns, vraks 7, all the infantry lasguns, all the helbores, revolvers, plasma, laspistol all fit that bill
somber axle
How do you guys 1v1 the horde?
Map awareness and mobility mostly. Hordes spawn in from all angles and I like to know a map well enough to have a "circuit" to lead a horde through. If you keep mobile through an area hordes will naturally follow after you and get funneled in one direction
modern tapir
Fwiw before level 30 just use whatever the fuck you want
well im playing with a friend and my part is priority targets and distance so i kinda need certain weapons ... also i hate the hipfire on veteran ... kinda like it on Zealot tho
somber axle
The clown must lead the circus! And this is a bloody parade
bitter turtle
Bolter also fits since the hipfire is used less.than semi auto snipe
agile forge
You can manually burst fire on an infantry or braced autogun too
bitter turtle
well im playing with a friend and my part is priority targets and distance so i ...
Try vraks 7
It's headshot dependent and fits the sniper fantasy well
agile forge
Just fire a couple of shots and release the trigger
Infantry autoguns are very headshotty
tall torrent
well im playing with a friend and my part is priority targets and distance so i ...
Try Accatran MG Mk II Heavy Laspistol
Best hipfire in the game
bitter turtle
He says he likes to play at a distance
I don't think laspistol is a good pick if you stand far away all.the time
modern tapir
Just fire a couple of shots and release the trigger
i know that i just like the feel of a burst and im 83% sure i read Burst in one weapoin description
tall torrent
Vraks 3 and Agripinaa 9
agile forge
i know that i just like the feel of a burst and im 83% sure i read Burst in one ...
Headhunters 3 and 9 then
bitter turtle
Oh
tall torrent
I hope you’re good at reading Roman numerals
bitter turtle
If you like burst
tall torrent
agile forge
If you want something locked to burst
modern tapir
imma give it a try after next mission ... currently broke from guessing wich weapon means what and beeing wrong
agile forge
I mean the best headhunter is the semi-auto 7
bitter turtle
Be warned
agile forge
But the other two work
bitter turtle
Vraks3 has a really nasty kick when ads firing on the move if you have low stability on the gun
junior needle
The low stability thing seems like a bug
bitter turtle
So if that part is off putting, it gets better
junior needle
But yeah you want high stability to offset that
I saw a video and it was just cartoonishly big recoil
So I'm assuming the arbitrary low value is set to something it shouldnt be
bitter turtle
Yeah a low stab v3 basically can't be ads fired on the move
Found the clip I made
Lol
junior needle
That's the one, fatshart seal of quality
modern tapir
also other question, is there a waz to get 3 scriptures with 2 BOTS ... thez BOTS in this are just total ass
junior needle
nope
tall torrent
also other question, is there a waz to get 3 scriptures with 2 BOTS ... thez BOT...
No
junior needle
Bots can't pick shit up
tall torrent
U need real players to join
elder fiber
not 100% sure but I think they're mad I incidentally knocked a dh off a ledge with shout that they wanted the killfeed for (they were probs gonna get it with zealot relic)
modern tapir
how did thez even mange to fuck that up
tall torrent
Bots are bad in this game
modern tapir
they were fine in Vermintide tho
elder fiber
bots are better than at least 40% of damnation psykers
junior needle
Welcome to darktide, downgraded vermintide in many ways
dry vector
bots are better than knife players
elder fiber
they were bad in vt too but like, better partially b/c there are fewer ratlings for them to walk straight towards until they die
modern tapir
Welcome to darktide, downgraded vermintide in many ways
ye kinda feels like they tried Vermin tide but didnt realise that Vermin tide is melee firtst ranged secondary while here its kinda the other way around and doesn't work
junior needle
It's not the gameplay that's the issue
It's that so many features were just clearly made worse
Like item crafting, bots, no mission select, no moddability besides purely client side stuff
And there's dedicated servers but the hitreg BLOWS
modern tapir
it feels cheaper than Vermintide (quality) but more gimme ur money
radiant chasm
how did thez even mange to fuck that up
there is a lot more going on in dt ngl, and since we know it was rushed they prob never put it on priority
junior needle
One of my favorite things to come out with regards to darktide
How far you have to sink to have bum tickley not simply criticize you but be right about it
tall torrent
ye kinda feels like they tried Vermin tide but didnt realise that Vermin tide is...
DT is still very much melee first
midnight totem
You can play regular missions melee only
Anything under high intensity modifier can be feasibly done melee only without gimping your team much
clear lantern
How far you have to sink to have bum tickley not simply criticize you but be rig...
are you saying you're at a loss.jpg?
junior needle
are you saying you're at a loss.jpg?
clear lantern
that's got juice
flint lake
junior needle
https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-saltzpyre-no-warrior-priest-no-saltzpyre-warrio...
It's true
Undeniably big facts
somber axle
somber axle
I tried to like Vermintide but tbh I couldn't get into it
I played a little bit with friends
somber axle
I have almost 1000 hours in Darktide and I'd guess less than 10 hours in Vermintide 1 and 2 if you added them both together
frank basin
I have like 300 hour on Vermintide
somber axle
The story is neat but the gameplay didn't catch me like Darktide did
frank basin
Because maxed out level and decent gameplay for me
junior needle
Your personal preference doesn't mean that my statement is incorrect
A lot of systems HAVE downgraded
Including the bots, mission select, and crafting
somber axle
Morrowind can objectively be a better RPG to Skyrim but you can also see why it's not more popular
Better systems do not mean better game
somber axle
I thought downgraded implied that LOL
junior needle
Undeniably the crafting system came out worse than current vt2
And the bots are egregiosly bad
somber axle
Anyway I like Warhammer Fantasty and played the MMORPG (and then later the weird private server version of it years after it closed down)
junior needle
There's no reason for these kinds of downgrade
somber axle
I couldn't get into Vermintide 1 or 2 though and idk why
junior needle
When they already have a working system in a previous game
terse idol
When they already have a working system in a previous game
There was some pretty bad things with vt2 crafting to be fair
junior needle
There was some pretty bad things with vt2 crafting to be fair
I do know it changed over time
But everyone I've talked to has told me that the crafting vt2 had on darktides release was way preferable
terse idol
Hmm
junior needle
Something about your shit not being locked 
terse idol
Frankly I thought it was worse if you started out,
There's also much much fewer viable options
Someone starting out will have a miniscule amount of crafting resources
Crafting oranges is just tedious
Hmm, I'll collect my thoughts on these
I feel like, if you don't try to roll 380's you can just get by
Issue being the 2 lock system just sucks
And there's still only a hand full of blessings and perks you actually want
junior needle
Frankly I thought it was worse if you started out,
There's also much much fewer...
Fewer viable options is a balance issue, not a crafting system one
Or game design, if they're just really poorly made
But darktide has a few really shit blessings/perks too
terse idol
agile forge
Tbh if I have 70+ in important modifiers I accept it
Unless there's a specific breakpoint
terse idol
I feeeel like starting out in vt2 is just worse
Due in part of the crafting but
Darktide level based, compared to uh, gear level base which gets weird
hearty panther
god VT2 crafting was dogshit
junior needle
I feeeel like starting out in vt2 is just worse
Very well could be, but I have a hard time imagining it's worse than the gacha casino nightmare, especially around release.
modern tapir
how do the weapon stats work are they just random or increase with player lvl
somber axle
I feel like, if you don't try to roll 380's you can just get by
I feel like Darktide's system takes a long time if you are trying to roll a literally perfect stat, perfect blessing and perfect perk combo in a max 380 weapon to get the magical 550 but you can literally use even some 340 base weapons in Aurics and be fine (even if it makes the dump stats lower)
Plus like getting a solid 360-379 weapon is not hard at all for anything other than like
Rashad??
People just get too hung up on a weapon not having the ideal perks/blessings when it's not that big of a deal
last parcel
9% mobility 
somber axle
Helps for breakpoints sure
somber axle
9% mobility <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Have you seen my 0% damage Mk II Helbore
last parcel
yes
somber axle
I should try to run an Auric with it
frank basin
No run on maelstrom
somber axle
That's the true test
If I can run my 0% damage Helbore on Maelstrom then I can confidently say damage is a dump stat
terse idol
I feel like Darktide's system takes a long time if you are trying to roll a lite...
Yeahh
Which I mean folks should be satisifed with Bare minimum 
somber axle
People get hung up on a weapon as an excuse for why they're performing poorly
Give a random person in quickplay a God roll perfect 550 weapon and watch them still eat shit and need a rescue
It's not the weapon, it is the hands behind them
good hands and good weapon can pull off extraordinary things though
umbral scaffold
veteran class channel is the best cos tinycatbighat is here
frank basin
“Useless fragger, Help me!” Literally me dying to 200 pings
junior needle
I feel like Darktide's system takes a long time if you are trying to roll a lite...
Meanwhile people spending 40k+ plasteel trying to get cycler 4
last parcel
just use cycler 2
terse idol
Meanwhile people spending 40k+ plasteel trying to get cycler 4
just get lucky
junior needle
facts
terse idol
junior needle
Just roll better
last parcel
roll better or get rolled
terse idol
frankly it's worse when youtry to get it
But I can't say much
iirc I rolled only like 100,000 or so
Or melk
I forgor which
junior needle
I spent easily over 40k just looking for t4 infernus back in the day
last parcel
SWEETY LIBERTY
somber axle
Meanwhile people spending 40k+ plasteel trying to get cycler 4
Spicy take: power cycler 3 isn't that bad to have until PC4 but yeah you are right that hunting for a very specific blessing is stupid LOL
You can build Power Sword to 1HKO Crushers
junior needle
Unspicy take: The game doesn't respect your time
somber axle
I'll add some more spice: it's not intentionally designed that way like the awful Battlefront 2 controversy
It's just incompetence, not malice, that has left us with a system that is so awful LOL
The devs know it is a problem and are working to fix it unlike Battlefront 2 where people calculated that to unlock Darth Vader and get all the related cards would require literally thousands of hours LMFAO
junior needle
Oh no, it is intentional
The devs have known people hated it since the game launched.
It's only very recently that they actually said they'll do something about it
100% "player retention" at work
somber axle
Idk if it's intended to make you grind for hundreds of hours to not have one blessing
The grind is intentional. The amount of grinding is not
sinful swallow
Meanwhile devs: 🧊
somber axle
but I am an optimistic clown
junior needle
Be a realistic clown instead
somber axle
There are no realistic clowns
Those are just normal people
Pessimistic clown doesn't suit me
junior needle
They can determine the average amount of grinding for things mathematically
somber axle
They can, but did they?
junior needle
sinful swallow
As long as it's capped
somber axle
I point to the Battlefront 2 thing again where they made a comment so dumb that it got the record number of downvotes on reddit
sinful swallow
Which it currently isn't
somber axle
Guarantee that most of the company, if not the entire company, had no idea the grind would be THAT bad
junior needle
Companies hire analysts specifically to make/adjust systems to maximize "player retention"
Most of the company isn't even in charge of doing any given thing
You have people specialized into doing the thing, doing the thing
somber axle
Yeah so someone calculated how long it would theoretically take to grind something on average and someone else looked at the data and signed off on it
But some people get PC4 within the first few hours of trying to get it
And others grind for months with no luck
somber axle
Yeah
No matter how you analyze that, you will get outliers in the extremes and the minority will always be the most vocal
junior needle
Gambling is a heavy incentive for player retention due to how the human psyche works
spice wadi
junior needle
No matter how you analyze that, you will get outliers in the extremes and the mi...
Not necessarily true
bitter turtle
I doubt they are unaware of their own system
junior needle
There's been a vast amount of bitching from a very large amount of people about the crafting system
bitter turtle
The point of it was to keep ppl playing when we had less content
junior needle
Not simply a vocal minority of people who were unlucky
somber axle
I doubt they are unaware of their own system
I agree which is why I say it's design by ignorance not design by intentional maliciousness
bitter turtle
Back before mael and aurics and skill trees and whatnot
junior needle
Which is how companies try to pad out their content
Introduce ridiculous grinds to keep hamsters on the wheel
bitter turtle
I don't think they are ignorant of it, they chose an rng system intentionally
junior needle
This is how MMO's work
bitter turtle
I don't really call it malicious either though
It's just grind padding
Sometimes people get upset when it's not there too bc modern gamers have been conditioned to need a carrot on a stick to do stuff
somber axle
There's been a vast amount of bitching from a very large amount of people about ...
Sure but it has to be taken in context. Pretty much every Darktide player can agree the crafting system needs improvements but if you narrow it down to Vets (one class) trying to roll a blessing on one weapon and narrow that down further to people who spend months on bad RNG you put the numbers through a sieve until you get objectively a vocal minority for that specific problem
PC4 is one of the most egregious examples
junior needle
Sure but it has to be taken in context. Pretty much every Darktide player can ag...
You're trying very hard to play devils advocate for fatshark
somber axle
It's still a very small number of players affected
junior needle
pc4 is the most egregious example, where even the mazed rats still chronically playing darktide struggle to get it
bitter turtle
I don't rly understand your argument because nobody thinks the crafting is annoying but only for pc4 specifically
somber axle
You're trying very hard to play devils advocate for fatshark
Nah I'm not saying they're good at designing the system. I'm saying they were dumb and didn't foresee how bad it could be or would be even with whatever data was cooked up by analysts
bitter turtle
I took months for bloodletter iv myself
junior needle
Nah I'm not saying they're good at designing the system. I'm saying they were du...
And you base this on what?
shadow aurora
I don't rly understand your argument because nobody thinks the crafting is annoy...
I think the crafting is extremely annoying
somber axle
And you base this on what?
The state of the game being as goofy as it is
junior needle
That means it's conjecture on your part
somber axle
Are you sure you can point to it and say someone specifically wanted it exactly this way?
It's conjecture on both our parts
bitter turtle
Well
junior needle
No, there's a logical reason why game companies try to force long grinds into their games
shadow aurora
Wow i walked in on a massive nerd fight
bitter turtle
I think you can guess that it was intentional cus we know they scrapped a better system
junior needle
Wow i walked in on a massive nerd fight
somber axle
No, there's a logical reason why game companies try to force long grinds into th...
Yes, there is. And there's also a logical reason why the systems in place would be unintentional too: people in charge misjudged how bad they would be from pure ignorance
bitter turtle
Remember they talked about a better system initially and scrapped the whole thing and we had a dead crafting menu that said coming soon on every line
I think cause they knew the game had no content on launch
somber axle
Wow i walked in on a massive nerd fight
This is honestly pretty tame LMFAO
You should see how silly I get when I talk about how much I hate leavers in games
junior needle
Yes, there is. And there's also a logical reason why the systems in place would ...
That's a very generous assumption that conveniently shifts all blame from fatshark for no real reason. They could've done things much faster, even simple things like removing the locks.
somber axle
terse idol
I think cause they knew the game had no content on launch
I just feel like that was a symptomn of the game getting rushed out of the door
Barebones talent
junior needle
But they ONLY did it after a truly immense amount of complaining and the game nearly dying.
somber axle
That's a very generous assumption that conveniently shifts all blame from fatsha...
No no, that is not my message. It is still their fault. Being ignorant does not absolve someone of fault. It just explains motive
bitter turtle
Unfinished crafting systems
Except they quickly finished it but with locks
terse idol
Which really was a head scratcher
bitter turtle
If they didn't intend it to be this way the locks wouldn't even exist
somber axle
They thought it would be fine and I absolutely agree it was designed with the thought of player retention in mind. Grinding is intentional. This level of grinding was not
terse idol
I just thought that was normal
I swear modern games hinge on the >You can only change so many settings
somber axle
It took them time to get around to it but they do recognize it is an issue that needs to be fixed
junior needle
They thought it would be fine and I absolutely agree it was designed with the th...
If it wasn't intentional they could've simple changes in a timely manner.
bitter turtle
I mean u have to intentionally add the locks compared to just all 4 can be changed freely
terse idol
yeah
junior needle
They chose not to
somber axle
If they didn't think it was a problem there would not be a crafting system rework in the pipeline
somber axle
If it wasn't intentional they could've simple changes in a timely manner.
It's Fatshark. Timely isn't in the dictionary (except for lately because wow the updates have been coming out in what feels like a reasonable amount of time?)
coral willow
You can build Power Sword to 1HKO Crushers
you can?
bitter turtle
I don't think it's a coincidence that only now they agree to make things a little better lol
junior needle
Corporations do whatever they think is best to try and maximize profitability. Even if the audience finds it severely unpleasant, as long as they tolerate it, the corpos will continue to do so.
somber axle
You can literally 1HKO Push Attack them
tall torrent
In any case I’ll be playing DRG s5 tmr
coral willow
with infiltrate damage or something else?
somber axle
I am not home or I would show how
junior needle
Fatshark has determined that either it's no longer working like they wanted or that their plan just failed.
somber axle
with infiltrate damage or something else?
Unnecessary for 1HKO
junior needle
That's why it's changing now.
junior needle
They follow the money trail. Fatshark is a publicly traded company, they are absolutely beholden to more than just themselves.
bitter turtle
Keep in mind sneaky saying "u can do x" does not necessarily translate to something practical or worthwhile
somber axle
Corporations do whatever they think is best to try and maximize profitability. E...
Yes I agree. They looked at the data and assumed it'd be fine. This would make replayability longer. Where we disagree is where their minds were at after seeing the data on how bad it really is
bitter turtle
Just that it's physically possible for it to be done
junior needle
You're attempting to absolve them of purposeful blame for really no reason
coral willow
Keep in mind sneaky saying "u can do x" does not necessarily translate to someth...
me holding my iron willless veteran build without keystone in front of her:
junior needle
Especially with tencent holding the reigns
somber axle
You're attempting to absolve them of purposeful blame for really no reason
Nah I just err on the side of ignorance over malice universally unless I see otherwise like the idiot at EA making the funny "sense of pride and accomplishment" comment
fiery wave
Corporations do whatever they think is best to try and maximize profitability. E...
The crafting is the way it is because FatShark management believes it is the main factor in player retention, that in turn leads to more cosmetic sales and that makes their bosses happy
somber axle
People are generally dumb
junior needle
The crafting is the way it is because FatShark management believes it is the mai...
Precisely
junior needle
People are, but higher ups in game development aren't regular people
last parcel
looking in a mirror taught me that
junior needle
And people making decisions in corporations typically must have an understanding of these things
fiery wave
The majority of the dev team don’t play the game
somber axle
People are, but higher ups in game development aren't regular people
Those people are so disconnected from reality I doubt they can even comprehend the decisions they make
They can be both malicious and ignorant
But the devs? Probably just ignorant
junior needle
You doubt it, but corporate sociopaths are very real
And there's a lot of them
The devs do what the higher ups tell them to do
somber axle
I know I see them weirdly often with how many conventions Vegas hosts
junior needle
If they say "make line go up"
Then they make line go up, even if it sucks from the consumers perspective
somber axle
A lot of them seem like they have two brain cells competing for third place though LOL
junior needle
There's no reason to assume total incompetence when it's very common place for these kinds of practices in games
somber axle
wp power?
Probably doesn't require too much effort to hit the 1HKO Power Sword Crusher kill but that is a clown science session for after work
I am eternally trapped at work
coral willow
I am eternally trapped at work
circus
somber axle
I can find minimum investment to hit it later
fiery wave
If they say "make line go up"
Fatshark ultimately answers to Tencent, who will always push for maximising profit
somber axle
There's no reason to assume total incompetence when it's very common place for t...
There's also no reason to assume even the highest most malicious suit believed a single blessing would require 4+ months of constant and focused farming and intentionally desired it
coral willow
hope tencent just explodes one day
junior needle
There's also no reason to assume even the highest most malicious suit believed a...
There is a reason to assume, it keeps mazed rats playing
somber axle
It's bad, to an extent that is by design, but to this extent?
coral willow
There's also no reason to assume even the highest most malicious suit believed a...
and varied luck to a point you can get one less than a week or over 4 months
midnight totem
I can find minimum investment to hit it later
It should be roughly the same investment as chainsword one shot
bitter turtle
An rng system has outliers as an expectation
fiery wave
The people in general would call it doomposting, but if the numbers don’t improve, DT will enter EOL faster than VT2
hearty panther
It's just lazy, lmao.
bitter turtle
They.could have just picked a straight grind if they wanted to avoid that
somber axle
and varied luck to a point you can get one less than a week or over 4 months
I saw a Psyker main come in saying they wanted to try Vet and were asking how to change their first legendary Power Sword. It had PC4 LMFAO
coral willow
god damn
junior needle
Could've just been a prank
midnight totem
I hope yall told him to change out pc4
somber axle
Maybe but it's funnier to believe they were genuine
People are actively playing other classes for penances
Speaking of which
coral willow
People are actively playing other classes for penances
vood thing people are doing this btw
somber axle
Despite work I am SO CLOSE to getting the last few points to get the outfit finally
coral willow
know a guy who exclusively plays veteran
somber axle
vood thing people are doing this btw
I agree. I want more class diversity than 3 Zealots + me every match
That gets so boring
coral willow
I agree. I want more class diversity than 3 Zealots + me every match
4 psykers
midnight totem
What penance
fiery wave
I am 30 aurics from finishing all of the penances
somber axle
What penance
I have to do the Zealot 1 wound 90% of a match in under 20 minutes one to finish out Zealot and since it is private games only and my friends don't play anymore I have just given up on it LOL
I'm just grinding out points elsewhere
midnight totem
I am 30 aurics from finishing all of the penances
You have 2500 barrel kills?
hidden torrent
I have to do the Zealot 1 wound 90% of a match in under 20 minutes one to finish...
Can help if you wish, is very ez
fiery wave
I have to do the Zealot 1 wound 90% of a match in under 20 minutes one to finish...
When @narrow frost gets back in 30 mins we will carry you
coral willow
I have to do the Zealot 1 wound 90% of a match in under 20 minutes one to finish...
its p easy
fiery wave
You have 2500 barrel kills?
Yeah
midnight totem
Damn
fiery wave
I fucking hated it
somber axle
I have literally every single other class penance from Vet, Ogryn and Psyker. Zealot has 3 penances and they're all tied to doing that one thing
fiery wave
last parcel
I have to do the Zealot 1 wound 90% of a match in under 20 minutes one to finish...
you don't have to talk in strike teams
midnight totem
In only at 600
somber axle
When <@665740726474375168> gets back in 30 mins we will carry you
I am at work so I couldn't
last parcel
somber axle
Also yeah I know it is easy but it requires private matches so I was vaguely hoping to do it when the bolt pistol drops and my friends return LOL
midnight totem
Yeah backup never speaks and still somehow makes everyone blame them
That's a feature not a bug
somber axle
But I might join some Vets here for a run
I've played a little with some people here now
hidden torrent
You implied that Backuo was a bug
somber axle
Less sneaky than before
fiery wave
hes like 4k levels
Who tf
midnight totem
And?
hidden torrent
The guy with the highest level I've ever seen was objectively terrible
last parcel
You implied that Backuo was a bug
hidden torrent
Doesn't really mean much
fiery wave
I think Fox is the highest vet main I have played with
narrow frost
He's 1340 something
midnight totem
Also yeah I know it is easy but it requires private matches so I was vaguely hop...
I had a couple of guys help me cheese it when we were running karnak twin achievements
hidden torrent
How did you cheese it if you just played it
fiery wave
The guy with the highest level I've ever seen was objectively terrible
Saw a level 4500 ogryn who died in 13 seconds
somber axle
I had a couple of guys help me cheese it when we were running karnak twin achiev...
That's another one I need to do. Secret hard mode twins LOL
coral willow
Who tf
korean guy who only plays vet for 3k hours
mains agrapina shotgun of all things
midnight totem
Well that's easy. We skipped. I found some fire
hidden torrent
Saw a level 4500 ogryn who died in 13 seconds
I played with a dude who was 5300 something and he fully died 5 times
midnight totem
Got myself down to under 20 percent. Waited 10 minutes
Then killed the twins in the next two, three minutes
hidden torrent
Mean while I'm level 100 Vet with a 30 game Auric Maelstrom Survive streak
coral willow
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn...
hes like always taking less than 100 damage unless a really suckish special group silence ambush them or mutie grabbing him and then gunner blasting him while grabbed and point blank happens
hidden torrent
I do have an issue with holding W tho ngl
midnight totem
Mean while I'm level 100 Vet with a 30 game Auric Maelstrom Survive streak <:cha...
... so if you'll just stand next to this barrel here...
hidden torrent
The giggle number
midnight totem
My last penances are
somber axle
I have no idea what level I am LOL
hidden torrent
69
narrow frost
At least level 2
somber axle
I am sorta curious though
narrow frost
Atleast
somber axle
Just not curious enough to download true level to see
midnight totem
250 auric games, ring master, 1000 + barrel kills, and dream team
narrow frost
Pimini
hidden torrent
Severe drop-off after level 700 usually
Only someone mentally disabled plays that much of 1 class
fiery wave
Severe drop-off after level 700 *usually*
It’s either a drop off or they are peak
hidden torrent
It’s either a drop off or they are peak
One of those is much more common than the other
I'll let you guess which lmao
fiery wave
Cyra is the best zealot player, level what, 3450?
hidden torrent
Cyra barely even know her
fiery wave
hidden torrent
Well I'm going to go see how bad the teamates are in Maelstrom fellers
fiery wave
Let us know how many quitters
oblique totem
Only someone mentally disabled plays that much of 1 class
Haha... Yeah...
stoic mantle
shadow dagger
salvageable?
hidden torrent
Let us know how many quitters
Judge for yourself
modest rock
salvageable?
Reload is good on this shotty, you can swap deathspitter
Man stopper is fun
hidden torrent
No one even quit crazy
last parcel
Judge for yourself
what about the two psykers at the beginning
last parcel
yes lmao
hidden torrent
I was too focused on gaming
last parcel
they quit before the first medicae
and a third zealot quit while i was picking them up near the second medicae
shadow dagger
Reload is good on this shotty, you can swap deathspitter
worth using over a damage perk?
tall torrent
Judge for yourself
how does prestige work in terms of levels
hidden torrent
wdym
last parcel
how does prestige work in terms of levels
1-30 in terms of exp
tall torrent
after lv30 it's the same XP amount per lvl?
fiery wave
True level should be base game
hidden torrent
most people are proud of their level
so idk why it isnt
Like i'm gonna be toxic regardless of scoreboard so fuck it right
clear lantern
then just run without mods, liberate yourself
hidden torrent
no
late hatch
Lets leave out true level and any kind of marker to show you are a long term player and instead... how about this hits blunt we make a trash rng crafting system for long term player engagement
junior needle
Every time hadron bricks my shit and spits in my face I feel a little more engaged
late hatch
Well that does sound a lot like marriage
verbal hemlock
hidden torrent
guy fucks
hidden torrent
Rip my survives in a row Backup blew me off the side with a barrel
coral willow
he was doing his penance
last parcel
lub
narrow frost
last parcel
delicate moat
i love when 2 or maulers are spaced/staggered in such a way that when you dodge the first mauler, the second mauler semi-inside the first mauler magically phases out of the model of the first one and delivers the sticky overhead
last parcel
the first one gave birth
coral willow
i love when 2 or maulers are spaced/staggered in such a way that when you dodge ...
was thinking if i was seeing halucinations, why are you here lmao
anyway hi
delicate moat
hi
frail lily
Hi! could really use some meta advice and guidance, or some people to play a round or two with while talking, or both!
level 30, mostly meta, at least as of recently
coral willow
plasma powersword voice of command
junior needle
Hi! could really use some meta advice and guidance, or some people to play a rou...
Ciag is the highest dps automatic, revolver and plasma are generally considered the best semis. There's other good weapons that don't stand out as much as well like the vraks 3/7.
You'll get better luck with more specific questions
People are less inclined to hop into voice chat with strangers
frail lily
fair, fair. Just talked to a guy, got a lotta good info. Appreciate y'all nonetheless!
oblique totem
granite kestrel
Why do so many players quit mid run? What’s the advantage?
terse idol
Why do so many players quit mid run? What’s the advantage?
when do they quit?
granite kestrel
Half way through the run usually
clear lantern
sometimes people doubt the team; sometimes they just lose connection honestly; sometimes something in their life comes up, like they have a phone call or someone close to them needs something.
Until I replaced my power supply, sometimes it would short out in the middle of a game and shut my PC down.
midnight totem
I doubt all of these people are having power supply issues
clear lantern
but in my case, the other 3 people didn't know. I just disappeared and never came back; my point is that we can't press a single purpose onto why people leave games -- especially not something as malicious intent or ragequitting. Context is important.
somber axle
I mean yeah it depends. If the person went down multiple times in a run they might feel ashamed of their performance and leave because they feel like they're forcing the team to carry them. Or if they disconnect the first time they go down then it is definitely a rage quit. It depends on what's happening and what difficulty. You'll see leavers being lame often on Aurics because of the penances for Auric Storm Survivor and Auric Exemplar currently not counting going down against the achievement if you disconnect before you die
hidden torrent
I prefer people to need to be carried
somber axle
Sometimes people have a valid excuse but a lot of the time they tend to be pushing difficulties they're not ready for and being too prideful to lower the difficulty while practicing
hidden torrent
It's boring when I don't need to carry tbh
somber axle
I like playing with newer players because everyone started somewhere
They are learning
I hate playing with leavers because they're losers
If someone is abusing the mechanic of leaving and reconnecting to avoid going down they're pretty lame
I'm pretty fast in laser focusing to a downed squadmate to rescue them but sometimes people disconnect and reconnect anyway and it's so bizarre
clear lantern
bringing my 540 autogun to t1 and just using bash
somber axle
I will protect a newer player as much as I possibly can. If I notice a leaver disconnects every time they're on their knees I will not bother to try to rescue them
No use attempting when there will be a bot where they're laying in a couple seconds anyway
clear lantern
two nights ago I saw an ogryn, maybe out of sheer method, bull run from the group in the middle of a horde to rescue a bot and about wrecked the whole game
I was playing stealth-spec, but it got hairy
somber axle
I had a weird match where an Ogryn joined next to me, immediately went bull rush right into a bunch of gunners, died trying to swing at one gunner while out in the open in front of the rest and then instantly disconnected
I think that's the fastest I've ever seen someone join and leave
They were probably in the game for less than 5 seconds total LOL
I didn't even get a chance to try to rescue them
midnight totem
I know I've definitely charged at like, a line of gunners out in the open just to see if I could make it there
I usually don't lol
clear lantern
it feels good when you make it just to the gunner line and they begin to bleed
umbral scaffold
is this good
umbral scaffold
i mean the base stats
hearty panther
Ye
shadow dagger
whats the strat for marksmans focus penance
do i just have to keep my crouch key in a chokehold for half the game
thorn lark
crouch, use shred grenades
and also psword
there's a setting to crouch and uncrouch with a toggle
shadow dagger
i have hold crouch bound to alt now
warframe has taught me that ctrl to crouch is one of the worst default settings of all time
thorn lark
why?
shadow dagger
one of the core movement mechanics starts with a crouch
sinful swallow
Stack it up then just crouch melee a horde
shadow dagger
technically a slide
and the space ninja game builds maps around the assumption that you are constantly using this movement mechanic
currently watching a lacerate knife + run n gun staff psyker spam ready/unready in queue
this auric maelstrom will be fun
scarlet cargo
people keep leaving in auric when downed
tall nova
cheesing the titles
scarlet cargo
like dang titles what else they want a medel?
frank basin
people keep leaving in auric when downed
Either they felt shamed for being down and left without getting hurled insult from someone else. Like I did bring recon in damnation got team wiped (before talent rework wasn’t a thing)
tall nova
nah they're just cheesing Auric Storm Survivor and Auric Exemplar
sturdy zephyr
nah they're just cheesing Auric Storm Survivor and Auric Exemplar
So they do it to get the title or to keep the title?
somber axle
Yes to get the penance done for the points and title
somber axle
Everyone must earn the battle pass armour at their own rate
Some people just cheese it hard
scarlet cargo
yeah, i dont even want it it reminds me of halo 3 helmets on xbox
sturdy zephyr
Battlepass surely a work. Especially the missionary guardian. I think those quite a run to get.
rancid saffron
two nights ago I saw an ogryn, maybe out of sheer method, bull run from the grou...
smart ogryn
sinful swallow
yeah, i dont even want it it reminds me of halo 3 helmets on xbox
They weren't that bad
shadow dagger
hab dreyko maelstrom moment
two stealth vets and neither seemed to remember that end event got reworked
midnight totem
anybody up for a game?
somber axle
yeah, i dont even want it it reminds me of halo 3 helmets on xbox
I want it because more cosmetics but also because even if someone cheeses Auric Storm Survivor and Auric Exemplar, to earn the armour means they did a pretty big grind
There's only a max of like... 4860-ish total possible penance points in game I think
You need to do 4500 to get the chest piece
Even just being able to ignore 360-ish points of penance points likely means someone got a LOT done to earn it
You can't earn it by only doing the full achievement list of one class
You'd need to do multiple
scarlet cargo
I'm just upset at people leaving, or complaining and leaving, or getting downed. I picked up a grim book and one person said "no" and left.
somber axle
It's usually a good practice to ask if everyone is ok with grims before picking one up
Or to ask at the beginning of a mission if people are ok with grims
Some people bounce into quickplay without thinking and get dropped into a mission with grims
They should probably implement some way of excluding mission types players don't wish to play with when queueing quickplay
People could turn off a modifier so it doesn't show up in quickplay like lights out, vent purge, grims, etc.
midnight totem
I'm just upset at people leaving, or complaining and leaving, or getting downed....
There is no room for cowardice in the Inquisition
uncut leaf
whats the 2nd blessing for power sword i should be looking for? or its up to my build
sturdy zephyr
Sunder,bromomentum
sinful swallow
Brutal momentum or sunder
tall torrent
They should probably implement some way of excluding mission types players don't...
Quick play filter would be nice but prob not a priority feature for FS
tall torrent
oblique totem
Solo play will be added next week.
sturdy zephyr
Solo play will be added next week.
Wow
Like solo n bot?
Or just like a private game
oblique totem
I'm kidding.
last parcel
with the option for true solo
oblique totem
Never gonna happen
somber axle
Quick play filter would be nice but prob not a priority feature for FS
Do they have a suggestion box somewhere