veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

you need to 1shot them

[coral willow]

mk3 also has animcancel

[bitter turtle]

if you want to horde

at a reasonable speed

[coral willow]

not as fast nor potent as mk6 but its there

it does

its finnicky at best

and impossible to trigger at worst

mk6 is way easier

[tacit sonnet]

really, scab bruisers

[bitter turtle]

yes

[hollow ibex]

it's worth

[bitter turtle]

why not

[tacit sonnet]

Didn't expect them to be that much of a problem

[bitter turtle]

its not that they are a "problem"

its that you need the rashad to oneshot all trash enemies

[coral willow]

maniac is good and carapace as well tbh

[bitter turtle]

so it can horde properly

scab bruisers are the primary issue in that regard

do you want to

yeah

swing twice to kill 1

or swing once to kill 4

its literally a 8x efficiency

boost

[coral willow]

but for vet yeah unarmored

[bitter turtle]

bc bromentum

[coral willow]

cause no martyr

2shot ragers in the head for martyr zealot

i like using it thats all

[tawny badger]

I think I managed to turn this baby around

[trim steppe]

Once you can 1-shot all trash, you can kill 4 of anything in any horde with every swing, and spam lights. It becomes essentially the most effective horde clear weapon

[coral willow]

i swear this is hardest to do

mk6 is way easier

failed on the last one

[somber axle]

Wait so Rashad wants Headtaker/Brutal Momentum with Unarmoured perk. What is the second perk you should choose then? Carapace?

[bitter turtle]

are you sure you

'are acctually getting +frame sfrom cancelling the mk3 there

[hollow ibex]

flak

[bitter turtle]

it does not look any faster than just letting the anim play out

[hollow ibex]

for dreg bruisers

[bitter turtle]

carapace usually I think

[hollow ibex]

i needed it

[bitter turtle]

flak lets you rely on less headtaker stacks I guess

[hollow ibex]

but maybe i just a have a bad roll

[bitter turtle]

if you have it

whatever

value that has

[somber axle]

That makes it easier to roll

[bitter turtle]

only if you took a significant amount of melee talents no?

[somber axle]

I thought I needed both Unarmoured and Flak

[bitter turtle]

i know its possible but i like teo take less if i can

[coral willow]

tbh cant really tell

[bitter turtle]

yea flak was always the less important one

in my really old guide that nobody read i wrote unarmored + cara/flak, its optional

pretty sure numbercat has the same written

[coral willow]

failed like half of this

only one i sucessfully did wat at like 0:15 mark

[bitter turtle]

there is value in doing it

if you want the strikedown

but that's the only reason i do it

[coral willow]

yea

[bitter turtle]

i dont think it actually results in a +frame boost though

[tall torrent]

I have carapace/elite/flak

[bitter turtle]

did you see my traggedy 😔

almost sub 1 min no damage

[tall torrent]

Video was processing

[bitter turtle]

o

[tawny badger]

I managed to clutch against a beast of nurgle with lucky twin sticky grenades as the last dude standing

[bitter turtle]

it should be done now

go watch it 😔

[tawny badger]

and this godforsaken scab bruiser comes out and-

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJJFq6RswQQ

[tawny badger]

it fucks me, yes

[tacit sonnet]

can you explain why is it 4?

I thought bromentum gave basically infinite cleave on headshot kills

[trim steppe]

brutal momentum lets you kill 4 enemies at once

it was reworked

it caps out at 4

[tawny badger]

booooo

[tacit sonnet]

booooo

[bitter turtle]

yea its not actually infinite

its already busted

no need for it to kill an entire horde in 1 swing

if it was uncapped

[tacit sonnet]

yes

because before it read +infinite cleave

[bitter turtle]

shred/HT tacaxe4 5ever

[coral willow]

tac axe its kinda mediocre

[tall torrent]

My experience is that dodging to right helps a lot more than dodging backwards against chaos spawn

[tacit sonnet]

btw

that before was when?

[bitter turtle]

i was trying to weave in and out of attack range between hits to get free hits in

like at 0:35

i did it pretty well

and then i proceeded to choke

[tacit sonnet]

when bromentum gave infinite cleave for a few seconds after a headshot kill?

[bitter turtle]

for the last 20 seconds

[frank ether]

imagine not playing longsword mk3 with bromentum slaughterer

[coral willow]

if its faster its only barely imho
it does let me get strikedown early though which is why i use it

cant reliably proc that tho

[tacit sonnet]

yes it did

[bitter turtle]

maybe it did

!!!

[tacit sonnet]

It used to make you ignore enemy mass after you get a headshot kill

It was stupid

[tall torrent]

Well, new BM is stronger

[frank ether]

BM is still stupid .d

[frank ether]

cant think of a weapon that has BM available where you wouldn't want to have it

[tall torrent]

Mk4 tac axe

[coral willow]

axe is fineish

[frank ether]

what am I gonna do on tac axe? build it for crit

[coral willow]

but yeah not the most great one

[frank ether]

thats just shit knife

[bitter turtle]

taxe4

[bitter turtle]

actually

it gets more crit than knife

for bp meme on zealot

that is where i run it

[coral willow]

headtaker + shred is good

korean moment

[bitter turtle]

now i know ur gonna tell me just run evi15 but that is shit at cdr on a single target

meanwhile i can left click for eternity on taxe4

[frank ether]

people unironically run this and then give me shit for my honorable longsword powersword

[bitter turtle]

even on a boss

HONOR

[frank ether]

ok but

[frank ether]

what if I have both

[tall torrent]

Slaughterer + rampage
The un-power sword

[frank ether]

its the longsword fatshark will never give you

[coral willow]

yoh this looks sick

[frank ether]

tbh if it had good mobility it would still be better than a chainsword lmao

[bitter turtle]

supercharge + wrath

the best possible power sword

[rigid pilot]

Is this a taxe or smth

[bitter turtle]

yes its a taxe 4

[coral willow]

its a pretty recommended choice on mk6 which i assume its for the stabby stabby to kill elites quicker

[frank basin]

Why cat ears?

[coral willow]

in korea that is

[rigid pilot]

Jodan moment

[bitter turtle]

tell me

this isnt the same energy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGEdH0Xtp44&t=13s

you can't

[rigid pilot]

Fuck I knew it

[bitter turtle]

same energy

i am a samurai

[coral willow]

bm is great yea

[tall torrent]

Yea but they’re not always right

[bitter turtle]

whenevver i use fotf i channel my samurai spirit

[tall torrent]

And in this case they aren’t

[frank basin]

I have power cycler with locked sunder

Is that fine?

[coral willow]

they're wrong most of the time but doesnt matter anyway cause this is a videogame really

[bitter turtle]

sunder is better on elites

so yeah its fine

[coral willow]

other recommendation is sunder and maybe rampage

[bitter turtle]

its sunder or BM

[rigid pilot]

Maybe it's time for me to play taxe katana RP

[frank basin]

Sweet

[coral willow]

noone really recommends BM i think they just recommend sunder

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[frank basin]

My Mk3 power sword sound find then

[bitter turtle]

sunder can do multiple elite cleave tho

i actually think

[frank ether]

I've been sold on sunder many, many times

[bitter turtle]

mk3 heavies + sunder = ??? some sekrit sauce

[frank ether]

and every single time I tried it

[tall torrent]

Well yea they’re still pretty far off

[somber axle]

To be fair Numbers Cat got their guide pinned and people still don't read it. I have to share screenshots when someone asks about something LOL

[frank ether]

it was disappointing to me over BM

[last parcel]

i bring that in quickplayall the time

[bitter turtle]

i dont fault anyone for not reading mine it was just meant as a placeholder temporarily lul

[coral willow]

usually korean community just gets all solo'd up and does their own things tbh

[tall torrent]

Don’t trust them then

[frank ether]

and then one day I was drunk and spamming twins HM where I finally understood

sunder requires zero brain cells

[coral willow]

same goes for lacerate knife, its decent but i can def see the benefit of executor

im still sticking to my mk3 with lacerate tho

[tall torrent]

Just run flesh tearer honestly

[bitter turtle]

lacerate 👻

i mean i know we went through this conversation already

[frank ether]

very lobotomy inducing gameplay, I'd wish they were reworked entirely

[bitter turtle]

but i gotta 👻 when i hear lacerate

[coral willow]

i did for the past 100 hours tbh, problem is if you dont run piety to get the base crit chance it kinda runs slow

only reason i go for lacerate is cause im in marty

[bitter turtle]

i already did

with that poll they made

idk if you read it

[coral willow]

luck doesnt matter much when piety can buff knife crit rate to like 80

[rigid pilot]

You should run piety with knife anyway, idk about Marty knife, but I guess it's fine because Marty itself will carry anything

[coral willow]

so yeah tearer>lacerate

[somber axle]

I don't trust anything anyone claims unless it has verifiable proof with exception to trusting Numbers Cat on most things and sometimes even if he doesn't share proof because if he says something and I can mentally path in my head to that something making sense I believe him but otherwise I get into clown science to personally verify

Always test

Always verify

[frank ether]

not like this discord is much above reddit tbh

[last parcel]

never verify

[bitter turtle]

the one where they rated ogryn coherency regen aura ias one of the top auras in the game

[somber axle]

If someone random claims something tell them to prove it

[rigid pilot]

You can play Marty grey taxe and still be a god

[coral willow]

generallt its good on bleedout so its why i use it

[somber axle]

If they can't prove it, test it yourself to prove them right or wrong

[coral willow]

which is also why i asked for executor proof

might use it cause i think it has a point to it

[frank ether]

with most games I notice the trend of reddit being skill issue cryposting and discord being more focused towards bootlicking

[bitter turtle]

i love boot licking

[rigid pilot]

Feet

[bitter turtle]

boots are my favorite snack

[bitter turtle]

i showed you

didnt i

that it does not drop stacks

if u hit at least 1 weakspot

an d it can stack multiple

on 1 hit

#veteran-class message

right here

[frank ether]

what a coincidence

[rigid pilot]

But if you hit a body part doesn't it all drop

[tall torrent]

No

[coral willow]

yeah i just said that i might use it after seeing the proof smh

[tall torrent]

If the cleave hits any 1 weakspot

It won’t drop

Even if every other target is body hit

[coral willow]

anyhoo

[bitter turtle]

o mb

[bitter turtle]

no go watch my video

[frank ether]

why do we have to

[bitter turtle]

then die

[frank ether]

convince people to use BM anyway

[rigid pilot]

I only saw you hit 2 poxwalker heads

Idk if it hit the reaper

[frank ether]

kill me

[bitter turtle]

the reaper hp bar popped up

if i didnt hit it

why would the hp bar pop up

explain THAT

mr holmes

[rigid pilot]

True

[coral willow]

should've used lacerate to check if you hit the body

[rigid pilot]

Reaper was happy to see you

[bitter turtle]

i believe bleed effects interrupt exec

i could be wrong though

[coral willow]

might get it nerfed to oblivion

[bitter turtle]

i remember it did AT ONE POINT but maybe changed

[rigid pilot]

I think they fixed it

Finally

[coral willow]

that fucking sucks does that mean i cant use scourage?

[rigid pilot]

Recently

[coral willow]

oh thank god

[frank ether]

Yeah last time I talked about how much fun I was having they ended up removing BM-bayonet interaction so as if I'd ever say whats good anymore lmao

[bitter turtle]

recons op, nerf them again

[coral willow]

make koreans dominate the landscape with slaughterer good

[bitter turtle]

i wont be satisfied until they start healing the heretics

[coral willow]

oh god dammit

[rigid pilot]

Inb4 next patch nerfs lacerate

[frank ether]

man the mk3 bayo is so fucking sad now, its actually miserable

[coral willow]

i want bayonet in zealot

i just want me a stabby

[frank ether]

lasgun balancing in this game

honestly

[rigid pilot]

That's knife

[frank ether]

''we made this gun suck ass but you get infinite ammo enjoy''

[coral willow]

its knife but want one on a gun so i can have a hammer with a knife

[tall torrent]

Mk2 Laspistol just keeps on winning

[rigid pilot]

Vet MG4a is actually pretty fine and fun

[coral willow]

i hate lasguns are balanced around vet's arsenal so its ass on other people

[frank ether]

its the only one I actually enjoy but hard to make something with good mobility + hipfire into coal

[rigid pilot]

Running mg4a on psyker or zealot lol, lmao

[frank ether]

mg4a

[coral willow]

i have a semi-decent mg4

[frank ether]

the lobotomy lasgun

[tall torrent]

It’s MG1a

[frank ether]

as I like to call it

[tall torrent]

Or MG4

[rigid pilot]

Nice

[tall torrent]

What’s MG4a

[frank ether]

Idk

[tall torrent]

Is that 1a or 4

[rigid pilot]

Probably the 4

[frank ether]

I copy pasted

[coral willow]

blame infernus

[bitter turtle]

i dont believe it says 1a

i believe it says la

like its singing

[coral willow]

la

[tall torrent]

Infernus is peak sadness

[tawny badger]

man the columnus mk v auto fr slaps

[coral willow]

its always good to trolll

Ia

[coral willow]

i like seeing guys on fire

the blessing

[coral willow]

smh

[rigid pilot]

Who doesn't like seeing guys

[tawny badger]

laugh now

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/mauzy-mice-gif-12371265837555442738

[tawny badger]

I was going to do it until I saw that vile creature

[coral willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917260301383127082/1155874334003437751/1695651953.gif

[frank ether]

when will we get playable felinids

its time to ask the real questions

[coral willow]

i got this in like a week and its still my goto plasma

[tawny badger]

asking the real questions like

chat can we kill this guy

[last parcel]

the real felinid was inside you the whole time

[tawny badger]

there's someone that's into that

[coral willow]

slowly walks away

[tall torrent]

Swap carapace to elite

[tawny badger]

why are you running

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-running-why-are-you-running-away-pretty-liars1-nollywood-gif-16102856

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/van-darkholme-gachi-gachimuchi-fuck-you-ghistiannotfunny22no-gif-18383308

[coral willow]

does that give any bp

[tall torrent]

Dreg Gunner 1HS

[coral willow]

hm

lemme test

[tall torrent]

I thought I told u this alrdy

[tawny badger]

rager

[tall torrent]

U need redirect fire

Or longshot

On low dmg roll u may need both

[coral willow]

gotta be shitting me

[tawny badger]

womp womp

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire

Tag keystone

Ez

[tawny badger]

goddammit hadaron

[last parcel]

marksman's focus

[bitter turtle]

why isnt anointed in blood called shortshot

if its the opposite of longshot

in effect

[tawny badger]

because annointed in blood sounds zealot-y

[umbral scaffold]

o yeah what perks does cumnus want

[frank ether]

its not edgy enough for average zealot main

[tawny badger]

cumnus

[coral willow]

laugh now

[tawny badger]

chat can we pray for this guy

[tall torrent]

What <78% dmg does to plasma

[coral willow]

imma just stick with carapace then

[tall torrent]

It just means that u need both redirect fire and longshot

No big deal

Still better than carapace

[last parcel]

nah scrap it for dockets

[coral willow]

main usecase is for me power sword vet but i guess it can make sense

[tall torrent]

U shouldn’t need to use plasma to kill crushers in the first place

[coral willow]

i just like killing crushers

with it

oh yeah noone recommends elites in

korea as well

just eh things again

[rigid pilot]

You still 3-4 tap crushers with lmb spam plasma

[tall torrent]

Man U guys rly just don’t check breakpoints at all or smth

[winter grove]

Say, are any of the two Vraks fun to play with?

[coral willow]

possibly

[winter grove]

I know they're really tax heavy

[coral willow]

alrighty-o so it doesnt matter when i hit the head

[bitter turtle]

they're fun

and good

oops

misquote

[bitter turtle]

i meant you

[coral willow]

good job

anyway vraks 7 fun

feels like im actually palying a videogame with a battle rifle

[tacit sonnet]

Can someone please give me a build for plasma with marksman focus?

[tall torrent]

Step 1, don’t

[rigid pilot]

I can't see using them over iLas, unless you want to go into crits and kill crushers

[tacit sonnet]

step 2, idc I want that penance

And plasma is prob my best weapon for it

[tall torrent]

Yes, don’t take plasma with that lmao

[rigid pilot]

You get the penance with melee

Or with lawbringer kekw gun

[tall torrent]

Just crab walk with melee

[tacit sonnet]

It counts melee?

[rigid pilot]

Yes

[coral willow]

focus is extra bad with

plasma

go take frag nades and throw them while standing still lmao

[bitter turtle]

it counts any kills made when you are at 10 stacks

[rigid pilot]

I tried it once lmao

[tacit sonnet]

what about laspistol 2?

[bitter turtle]

🦀🔪

[coral willow]

works

[rigid pilot]

Never again marksman plasma

[coral willow]

better ause it can actually spam

[tall torrent]

Works but if u just want it fast, go for melee

[tacit sonnet]

I still need a ranged gun

[coral willow]

apprantly works with nade kills so grab every nade talent

get columnus

[tacit sonnet]

I can't just not take a gun with me

[coral willow]

or laspistol

[rigid pilot]

Just take any gun

[tall torrent]

Laspistol then

[rigid pilot]

Shredder autopistol

[late hatch]

My precious

[bitter turtle]

recon

take recon

[coral willow]

recon is probably what they meant you were supposed to use that thing

[tacit sonnet]

ok

[coral willow]

haha onslaught

[tacit sonnet]

https://i.imgur.com/dKqPP7U.png

I take recon

[bitter turtle]

recon with speedload + terrifying barrage

[tall torrent]

Why unyielding

[tacit sonnet]

prob need to change that perk

I was testing

[bitter turtle]

and reload speed + sprint efficiency perks

[tacit sonnet]

and I forgot to change it back

I don't remember what I had

[bitter turtle]

the goal is to get to the ammo before everyone else and waste it asap

[coral willow]

reload on rumbler

[rigid pilot]

Unyielding for boss I guess

That's why you pick recon anyway

More than decent boss damage

[tall torrent]

no?

[tacit sonnet]

Don't put unyielding on recon

Just get flak or maniac or whatever

[somber axle]

I put my own clown shoes in my mouth enough times saying goofy things that there's no room for another boot in there. I just recognize people who put in the work because if someone goes out of their way with crazy amounts of effort to help others it is worth the praise LOL

[rigid pilot]

Why would you pick a recon over ilas

Other than fun

[coral willow]

oh yeah with the uh infiltrate it can 2shot

so thats that

idk

[tacit sonnet]

Because I hate myself

[rigid pilot]

And onslaught crusher stuff

[late hatch]

Why would you play a game other than for fun?

[umbral scaffold]

if i decide columnus makes the game too easy what other guns fill the same role

[tall torrent]

Mk2 Laspistol

[coral willow]

graia

[tacit sonnet]

What perk do I get for recon?

[rigid pilot]

So let him keep unyielding

[somber axle]

Sunk cost fallacy is the answer most people don't want to face LOL

[rigid pilot]

Checkmate

[bitter turtle]

reload speed + sprint efficiency i alr told you

waste ammo faster

[tacit sonnet]

sure

[coral willow]

crit-maniac

[tacit sonnet]

So what perk should I get for recon

[coral willow]

cause maniac damage on this kinda suffers

least thats what koreans say

:teeth;

[tacit sonnet]

cause maniac damage on this kinda suffers

[bitter turtle]

in all seriousness

[tall torrent]

For once the Koreans are right

[coral willow]

yes

[tall torrent]

U do want maniac on recon

[bitter turtle]

i would go flaniac prob

its not like the flak dmg is that gvreat either

[coral willow]

either flak or critchance

[bitter turtle]

i dont really believe in 5% crit

[somber axle]

That's a pretty solid roll but what you take depends on if you are going clown build or trying to be a normal person with that gun

[bitter turtle]

but that's just me

[last parcel]

crit chance

[somber axle]

Normal person? Maniac

Clown? Carapace

[coral willow]

how should i clown with this

probably best if i get headhunter 4

[last parcel]

weapon specialist onslaught

[frank ether]

I'm sorry but I've read enough general chat to know your bootlicking skills are inferior

[coral willow]

korean take

[last parcel]

i've been searching manyvids when i could've just check general chat this whole time

[somber axle]

Maniac is important to keep on that imo but the VIIa can't be clown juiced into ok Crusher kill times so ignore Carapace and change crit strike to Flak or Elite instead

[frank ether]

I haven't heard you comparing darktide to decade+ old games to set how superior fatshark is yet so you need to work on the polishing clearly

[coral willow]

7a isnt that fast firing yea

[somber axle]

I only come here and Driptide so I have no idea who wins the boot eating contest in this discord LOL

[frank ether]

Some questions we are better off not knowing

[last parcel]

i like to check zealot chat to see stan's food

[bitter turtle]

i think 7 is probably actually the best recon fwiw

with MF

and no onslaught meme

[coral willow]

just get krak lmao

imma just stack with frag and mk3 shovi

[bitter turtle]

u mean

[last parcel]

double rending node chad

[bitter turtle]

or just take any melee in teh game that isnt a dclaw

[somber axle]

For non-clown shenanigans I agree 100%

Best Recon for normal people

[coral willow]

this too

well maybe something like thunderhammer without charge

is worse

possibly

[frank ether]

d.claw + krak can ''work'' if the game doesnt decide to spawn like 20 carapace enemies in a row

[coral willow]

thats just how krak works

[tacit sonnet]

krak grenades and marksman focus, the only class penances I have left

Krak one takes forever

[coral willow]

krak just throw shit

[frank ether]

unfortunately for d.claw its flak is also dogshit plus mauler head is carapace, so maulers are also a no go for it

[coral willow]

i dont like the nade but eh

[tacit sonnet]

It's a very good grenade

[frank ether]

you just parry or its hp sponge time

[coral willow]

i like parrying

i use +3 3 stamina

[bitter turtle]

krak is niche

[frank ether]

I hope you like parrying like 16 times for that crusher pack king

oh and if you mess it once, you're dead

[somber axle]

Just pull out the Recon, hit Exe Stance and burn them

[coral willow]

you forgot the 1 zombie who triggers your parry early and gets you killed

was a catachan 4 guy

but now im liking catachan 7 more

[frank ether]

Thats the neat part, he's only there when you forget about it

[coral willow]

mm you fuck(activates revenant)

[frank ether]

and hits u from inside the crusher

[coral willow]

and still dies

[frank ether]

where u can't even see

[coral willow]

i know i should talk in zealot

[frank ether]

still doesnt miff me as much as smite psyker doing.. whatever the fuck they do

[coral willow]

but might make a funny meme where i arm crusis with thunderous 4 and

skullcrusher 4

ogryn at home

[frank ether]

actually my d.claw builds are about to

get very, very strong

when boltpistol comes out

I'll be kitting out a commisar meme build

[coral willow]

yeah probably

i can throw out my vraks 3

[tall torrent]

It’s prob gonna be mid tho

[frank ether]

I had one already with laspistol but laspis + d.claw is terrible at armor

[coral willow]

bolter is fine but i dont like using the same thing over and over(uses the same knife over and over)

[tacit sonnet]

Which modifiers from marksman focus are worth taking?

[frank ether]

so boltpistol + dc would work wonderful

[tawny badger]

so what's up with all the quitters as of late

[coral willow]

stand still to get 10 stack thing

just stand still and without doing anything you generate to 10 so

[tall torrent]

For that penance take camouflage

[frank ether]

I want a weapon swap build so bolter won't work in this case for the fantasy I have in mind

[coral willow]

funny throwy knife

[frank ether]

It will be weapon spec and agile engagement

[coral willow]

ah right

i forget this is a vet channel

:teeth;

[tacit sonnet]

Can you explaing why camo?

[coral willow]

stand still to get 10 stacks

it helps

[tacit sonnet]

And what about other 2?

rending or toughness replenishment any useful?

[coral willow]

you can probably ignore em

[tall torrent]

If your goal is to do the penance, take camouflage because it keeps 10 stacks with best consistency

[coral willow]

get like nade replenishment

[tall torrent]

Not rending

[coral willow]

or ogryn damage

does rending work even

[tacit sonnet]

this should do

https://i.imgur.com/k4hq0kn.png

This is for a las pistol

[coral willow]

looks fine

nade kills also gets into the penance p sure

so you can build for nades

and not go for krak

[tacit sonnet]

But I also need krak

[coral willow]

godspeed then

[tacit sonnet]

I cant do the krak penance without krak

[last parcel]

sounds like skill issue

[tall torrent]

Take stamina regen boost instead of toughness dmg reduction

[coral willow]

how good is regen boost

[rigid pilot]

Very

[tacit sonnet]

ok SMART guy. Let's see you take a krak at it!

[tall torrent]

Very strong

[bitter turtle]

do the funny tech

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/asian-girl-brick-brick-throw-kill-gif-25574003

[coral willow]

never used it in my powersword build so wanted to ask

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA8-mGQ1Tk

wep spec bolter 👻

[coral willow]

why does your scope is fine but mine isnt

[bitter turtle]

idk

[coral willow]

been broken for me for a while now

[last parcel]

don't buy scopes from temu

[coral willow]

cant fix it so went back to ironsights

[bitter turtle]

i only use a few scopes

from the mod

[coral willow]

don't buy scopes from temu

[bitter turtle]

since most of them have like 12058412058x zoom

[coral willow]

id rather trust alli than temu

[last parcel]

i need enough zoom to count the dreg gunner's nose hairs

[coral willow]

i value wrath over savage sweep but this aint bad

[tawny badger]

zero (I blew his head off with a vraks)

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-discord-gif-24306382

[coral willow]

https://tenor.com/view/arona-blue-archive-dance-cute-funny-gif-17567727658333770964

[tall torrent]

idk why u wouldn't want to have zealot's 0.75s stamina regen delay

instead of ogryn's 1s stamina regen delay

[astral blade]

hey whats BIS for standard shovel??

[coral willow]

i just cope with one

[bitter turtle]

uncanny decimator prolly

[coral willow]

uncanny with something else

deci or thrust is my guess but thrust idk

[tall torrent]

I'd suggest u take at least 1 stam regen boost on veteran

[coral willow]

i have a +3 stamina embedded on vet

[tall torrent]

+stamina and stam regen delay reduction aren't the same thing

stam regen delay makes u start getting stamina faster after dodge, sprint & block

u end up with more stamina to do things in a fight

[coral willow]

i know but idk where to get that

[tall torrent]

veteran talent tree

[coral willow]

id be fine on

[tall torrent]

bottom left & right branches

[coral willow]

non-melee vet nodes but

on melee my

stuff is quite scarce

[tall torrent]

I'd suggest taking 1 stam regen boost for veteran regardless of build style

it's just very strong

[coral willow]

basically zero of my builds take it

lol

[last parcel]

skipping iron will

[coral willow]

mans gotta do

idk i value nades over iron will sorry

[tall torrent]

u shouldn't skip iron will ever

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/nani-jjba-millks-jotaro-kujo-star-platinum-gif-24558285

why skip iron will

[last parcel]

big d energy

[coral willow]

half my melee builds skip it

oh yeah i dont have it on my braced executioner build as well, it'd be useful

[astral blade]

Imma be real also this is a very hot take but out for blood is better than confirmed kill 🌝

[tall torrent]

depends

I tried O4B in best case scenario (BM rashad)

CK still gives more toughness in horde

[coral willow]

oh yeah if you take 2 stamina regen nodes

does that make you level of psyker

[tall torrent]

yes

[coral willow]

oh neat

[tall torrent]

even stronger

but usually 1 is enough

[astral blade]

I mean I’m a CQB vet but I refuse to take weapon specialist

[coral willow]

anyway none of the builds take it

[winter grove]

Oh hey hadron didn't kill my mg12

[astral blade]

So I’ll use my gun and melee lol

[winter grove]

@tall torrent it's ghost and opening salvo right?

[coral willow]

this is my agrapina

[tall torrent]

the thing with CK is that it has no stack cap

[tall torrent]

lemme guess, popular in KR community?

[coral willow]

no

its just my own shit

genuine me bullshitting around

i think its fine

that said agrapina braced is quite popular in this format(usually unarmored swapped out for maniac)

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't spend more than 3 points in starting section for veteran

especially not for reload speed

u do u tho

[astral blade]

i know but im a vanguard vet not one of those pissy vets that sits in the back and snipes

[coral willow]

i wouldnt but its for me not dying
you can say i should take iron will and tank instead of trying to shoot everything and reload quick

[tall torrent]

u don't need to be sharpshooter to use CK well

[tall torrent]

iron will just makes u take less dmg idk why u wouldn't want it

50% TDR is huge

[coral willow]

its huge

i just value the grenade node next to it

[tall torrent]

and definitely better than all the reload speed stuff lmao

[coral willow]

people take iron will over that all the time i just like nades more

[last parcel]

what if

you take both

[tall torrent]

no, u can take both lol

[last parcel]

actually fuck it skip them both and use inspiring presence

[coral willow]

no points for that rn
i use 2 reload talents just cause i get caught out of reloading after mowing down the first half of the wave

[astral blade]

what shit are you smoking pass that shit here

[coral willow]

thats the only reason i dont think this is genuinely viable

i just like ramboing

[tall torrent]

genuinely

don't take both reload nodes lmao

[last parcel]

fuck it, triple reload node

[tall torrent]

it's not a boltgun

[coral willow]

reloadcancel makes it faster right?

[tall torrent]

makes what faster

[coral willow]

agrapina reload is p chunky

[tall torrent]

u still don't need both reload nodes for it lol

at most take just 1, even that is unnecessary

[somber axle]

Are you high

What world do you live in playing melee Vet without Weapon Specialist or Iron Will

Like what does your talent tree even look like that you are somehow valuing other nodes more on melee Vet

Are you taking Focus Target instead? Or no keystone?

[tall torrent]

u can play melee vet without weapon specialist

[coral willow]

tbh i have a mk3 powersword melee vet build that doesnt take both

[somber axle]

You can but weapon specialist is such an amazing boost

[tall torrent]

focus target is strong and not everything needs WS

[somber axle]

Are you doing Focus Target + Target Down or

[tall torrent]

I don't even play with +atk speed with rashad

[coral willow]

i dont even get any keystones so

no

[astral blade]

what makes you think i dont take iron will?

[coral willow]

:teeth;

[coral willow]

well i dont

[tall torrent]

u should

[somber axle]

Oh sorry I misread earlier while skimming LOL

Someone else was not taking Iron Will and I thought you were the same person not doing either

[coral willow]

i should yeah but elite damage and ogryn damage is to spicy to pass out

[tall torrent]

u can literally have both while having iron will

[last parcel]

tunnel vision + o4b for born leader melee value

[somber axle]

It is but like for a melee focused Vet is that for a certain weapon to help with breakpoints? Like Redirect Fire helping Rashad chew through hordes without flak?

[tall torrent]

it helps vs elites

and I haven't bothered with +atk speed on veteran in a very long time

[astral blade]

i'm not stupid my guy i do take iron will but honestly i hate the vet keystones

[tall torrent]

+dmg for better breakpoints just kills things faster

+atk speed is good for feels but on dps test it wasn't that impressive

[somber axle]

That's fair. I love the speed though. Faster horde clear. Faster elite kills. Faster everything. Like Chainaxe XII basically requires Trench Fighter Drill's +10% melee attack speed to not feel slower than a Burgle

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-walter-white-metastasis-sadness-breaking-bad-gif-25451254

my whole life has been a lie

[coral willow]

build was something like this

i'd turn my stuff on

and check but i need to go rn

[astral blade]

to me the vet keystones feel well weak i know others may disagree but like i said to me the keystones for vet feel weak

[coral willow]

focus target gives +20% damage for nothing its good tbh

[tall torrent]

what I have rn
left is rashad + plasm
right is rashad + mk2 laspistol

[tall torrent]

they really aren't

focus target is very strong

weapon specialist is a bit more weapon dependent but also very strong

[somber axle]

I love them tbh but I am a clown. Focus Target + Target Down is beautiful team support. Weapon Specialist guaranteed crit, reload on swap and increased ranged weapon attack speed makes it funny on Revolvers and fast firing weapons to juice the RPM even higher and that's without even considering the melee benefits for it. Marksman's Focus is funny for me playing Tunnel Vision + Out for Blood + Born Leader for funny levels of constant toughness squad regen even without running a medic build

[astral blade]

thats why i said to me they feel weak

[somber axle]

Like you can literally play revolver and never reload an entire match

[coral willow]

heres my mk6 build

[somber axle]

Just slap poxwalker

Weapon swap

[tall torrent]

did u dive into breakpoints much

[somber axle]

Shoot

Swap to melee

[coral willow]

reason i have that crit chance node is for 25% crit mk6 powersword

[somber axle]

Slap poxwalker

Repeat

[tall torrent]

what weapon

mk6 power sword?

[coral willow]

yeah

[tall torrent]

take iron will over 5% crit chance

[coral willow]

koreans did scream at me for using this so i dont suppose i get any empathys here

[tall torrent]

it's not 25%

[last parcel]

instructions unclear, spent 20 seconds pistolwhipping poxwalker

[coral willow]

i take crit cause 20->25% crit chance
tahts about it if my mk6 didnt have a crit locked i'd use iron will

[astral blade]

yeah i did my guy why you ask

[tall torrent]

well yea not having iron will is almost equivalent to trolling

[somber axle]

The safe word is "hrrhhhrrraaaa"

[tall torrent]

then u should know how strong focus target is for meeting breakpoints ?

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Redirect Fire is very strong for meeting and consistently keeping breakpoints tbh

[last parcel]

playing with the hud disabled doesn't let me ping so focus target is useless

[astral blade]

yeah i do but i dont really paint the targets often

[tall torrent]

oh well

personal gameplay problem

[last parcel]

you're the mf in my quickplay lobbies

[tall torrent]

not talent's problem

[somber axle]

Bind ping to mouse button 1

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-4244406837008885451

[coral willow]

90% of my builds dont take it

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-explosão-explosion-happy-cat-gif-11628319126583477588

[tall torrent]

90% of ur builds are almost equivalent to trolling

[coral willow]

sorry i got highscore

[tall torrent]

that's fine u do u

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-what-the-hell-what-the-fuck-huh-what-gif-16553984

[last parcel]

more rescues to feed my savior complex

[tall torrent]

all I learnt today is that korean builds are not to be trusted

[coral willow]

unfortunately no most korean builds do take it

[somber axle]

So weird question and please don't take this the wrong way but like what difficulty do you run the build on because Iron Will helps so much for survival on higher difficulties when the ai director decides they want the run to end

[coral willow]

i just value nades over being overly protected

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-thats-racist-dats-racist-gif-5036293

[tall torrent]

unfortunately those people worship lacerate knife so idrk man seems like smth is wrong somewhere

[coral willow]

run this on auric maelstrom without issue

[last parcel]

bro is built different

[astral blade]

but seriously those like i said to me to me vet keystones feel weak i mean maybe if one of the keystones was linked to the abilities than i'd consider it

[tall torrent]

I'll just write it off as "don't bother with KR builds"

[hollow ibex]

just because you can run it fine doesn't mean it's ideal or meta lol

[somber axle]

Is the plan just don't get hit ever or is it just to try to keep toughness at full for each hit?

[coral willow]

latter

[last parcel]

-10 damage take

the enemies heal me at the end

[coral willow]

its easy to do with plasma and confinrmed kill

[somber axle]

Because the lack of TDR means taking two hits back to back is gonna eat your HP

[coral willow]

also gloryhunter cause i never got to switch that out

[astral blade]

example say if you were to use voc and focus target were to high light enemies that were in range of your shout for like 20 seconds

[tall torrent]

that would be insanely broken

[astral blade]

thats something i reckon would be worth using than just personal opinion

[last parcel]

buff voc

[tall torrent]

honestly that thing u described shouldn't be called focus target
it should be called danger close

[somber axle]

Make Voice of Command tied to mic use and you have to scream irl to activate it and if it isn't loud enough the ability never happens

[tall torrent]

because the moment u mark enemies around u an ogryn bomb is gonna drop on u

[coral willow]

gold toughness can take 2 hits before bleeding out

which is why i risk it

[somber axle]

From like what

What enemy lets you eat multiple hits without issue

[astral blade]

while it may sound broken with amount of enemies that swarm you would it truly be broken?

[coral willow]

i believe with high elite counts of hishok or maelstrom just benefits the nade replenisher talent more

so if i dont have much points, i only take nades

[somber axle]

Sniper would delete your full gold toughness, Crusher and Mauler too. No HP damage but the bar is gone. Pack of Ragers swinging will eat through the toughness fast too. Like it can stop poxwalkers fine with such low TDR but actual threats are turning that toughness into Swiss cheese right?

[tall torrent]

marking somewhere like 10+ elites making all of them take extra dmg?
on an ability with short cooldown and gives u gold toughness?
on a class with the ability to basically wipe room with 2 frags?

yea

[coral willow]

cleave is fine, overhead already kills you
ragers were definitely annoying but VoC bait and they give nades so

[tall torrent]

demo team in HiSTG gets about 15 grenades on avg, in like the best possible scenario

[astral blade]

i did say within the range of the shout right?

[tall torrent]

yea, 9m

that's the range

that's almost as large as frag's blast radius (10m)

[somber axle]

I guess it is Confirmed Kill + Glory Hunter Plasma + VoC so when you get the CK buffs running it fights back against the toughness hits effectively but wow that build looks like playing with glass bones and paper skin

[last parcel]

you know shit's real when you're the one saying this

[astral blade]

maybe reduce the range of VOC to 6m would balance it?

[somber axle]

Even I take Iron Will

LOL

[tall torrent]

just shouldn't be a thing in the first place

[coral willow]

idk, got 5 nadethrows in 1 histg encounter
its rng so not reliable but it comes in handy

[last parcel]

just be lucky

[tall torrent]

it's random but on avg it's around 15 across an entire mission

[tacit sonnet]

btw what counts as armored enemies for krak grenades penance?

Do bulwarks count?

[tall torrent]

that's if ur team has combined 300 elite/special kills

[tall torrent]

anything that says flak/carapace when hit by DOT

[coral willow]

i thinm its almost any enemies but krak cant kill anything outside of micron distance

[astral blade]

well it isnt a thing besides it was just hypothetical

[coral willow]

ones that they stick to when thrown at

[somber axle]

Reapers, Bulwarks, Crushers, Maulers, Flak Ragers, Scab Gunners, Scab Shooters, Scab Bruiser bodies, Dreg Bruiser heads, etc.

It will always magnetize to Carapace (Crusher, Mauler, Bulwark) but you have to land the toss against Flak to stick it (everything else)

[tall torrent]

6m VoC feels bad so wouldn't go there either

[tacit sonnet]

So, do dreg bruisers count for the penance?

[coral willow]

6m voc only feels good when revving

[tall torrent]

no

[coral willow]

do they even stick

[tacit sonnet]

so they are not armored

[tacit sonnet]

no

[somber axle]

They should with flak heads

[coral willow]

then no

[tall torrent]

@tacit sonnet

[coral willow]

so bulwarks are massive bait

[tacit sonnet]

idk what says flak/carapace when hit by dot

[coral willow]

sad

[tacit sonnet]

But good to know

[tall torrent]

go into meat grinder

hit enemies with bleed/burn/soulblaze

[last parcel]

craft a lacerate knife

serrated blade is a lie made up by chaos

[somber axle]

Only the head for the nade though and tbh it's not worth sticking LOL

[last parcel]

ad closed by google 💀

[tacit sonnet]

I have a ton of weapons

But to check I'd have to go to the meat grinder

[somber axle]

shh I don't want people to know what advertisers want to sell to me

[astral blade]

here mah build

[coral willow]

see taking iron will over the nade talent feels wierd to me for some reason

idk why

[astral blade]

she aint got no keystones but she gets the job done on auric

[tall torrent]

don't take serrated blade if ur not using knife with mercy killer

[coral willow]

vet has multiple keystoneless talent that are good, doesnt mean his keystones are bad

well maybe marksman

[last parcel]

this gets the job done in auric too

[somber axle]

Wait why no grenadier? Why choose Leave No One Behind instead?

[tall torrent]

most aren't worth giving up keystone for

[coral willow]

30% of my builds dont contain keystone p sure

even then im sad for not taking focus tsrget

cause 20% damage bonus aint no joke

[somber axle]

I kinda want to test all revive speed perks on curios with leave no one behind and record it to test revive speed at absolute max vs normal revives now

1 more hour

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/break-free-i-want-to-break-free-oh-how-i-want-to-break-free-gif-12341455

[astral blade]

demo stockpile thats why plus i'd perfer to get teammates back in the fight and the extra movement speed when sprinting to teammates who are downed is nice

[last parcel]

i leave my teammates downed so i can keep the movespeed

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-fring-jumpscare-gus-fring-jumpscare-scary-oby-gif-13022434999806691946

[astral blade]

i might be a vanguard vet but also a team player

[coral willow]

i do am thinking about not using rending and getting the focus

[somber axle]

2 krak grenades per fight is enough? Do you only use them for bosses or Crusher packs?

[coral willow]

kills 2 crushers

10 more spawns

[astral blade]

bosses mostly

[coral willow]

[last parcel]

choo choo crusher train coming to rearrange your guts

[somber axle]

Devastating Strike Chainsword sounds strange too

[coral willow]

devsstrike just sucks

[astral blade]

ahh yes that well to be frank that was a chainsword that was nearly bricked

[somber axle]

2 hits with Wrath means on par cleave without relying on crit to activate but if that's a brick it makes more sense

[last parcel]

two stacks of wrath on crit

[coral willow]

id rather use rampage lmao

and rampage is gooooood

i just dont use it

[astral blade]

i do have this chainsword instead

[somber axle]

So like this is your melee Vet build right?

What do you do with that build vs Crusher squads?

Chainsword can't possibly be an option there right?

[last parcel]

9 kilo satchel charge

[somber axle]

Or are you Rev sticking the chainsword into each Crusher for bleeds?

[astral blade]

correct

[coral willow]

chainswords only an option when on zealot with charge

[tall torrent]

yea

[coral willow]

...omg

[last parcel]

what a legend

[somber axle]

Is that just Rev -> strike -> animation cancel with dodge back -> Rev and repeat until dead? That sounds very slow

[winter grove]

Ok my MG12 might be close to perfect

[coral willow]

i mean bleed is bleed

id rather take lacerate uncanny knife

but bleed..

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[winter grove]

It's still mg12 tho

[somber axle]

What is your TTK on a Crusher with that

[last parcel]

bleed vs carapace without rending

[coral willow]

30

[last parcel]

minutes

[somber axle]

Can you record it in Psykanium

[coral willow]

do you think im insane now

[somber axle]

This is an insane asylum and we all belong here in our own ways tbh

[coral willow]

wait whay oh 13g

[somber axle]

Ok so no animation cancel

[last parcel]

when we find someone shoveling feces into their mouth, it doesn't mean the person having sex with a squirrel is not crazy

[somber axle]

So like

[coral willow]

thank god its not 4

[somber axle]

You're stuck in place during Rev animation

How do you survive doing that vs Crusher packs

[last parcel]

just fight one at the time

[somber axle]

Doesn't that leave you very immobile and vulnerable?

[last parcel]

when you're the protagonist, the script only lets one bad guy attack at once

[astral blade]

infiltrate

[coral willow]

smh

[somber axle]

Is that relying on Low Profile to divert aggro onto a nearby team mate then?

[astral blade]

correct while a dick move

[somber axle]

Like I can see maybe eating one Crusher overhead with full toughness if you had to but multiple and you're out

[somber axle]

What do you do if the team falls and you have to solo clutch?

[coral willow]

can you eat a crusher overhead with iron will even

[last parcel]

bro got turned into blini

[somber axle]

Infil to checkpoint and rush a revive?

[astral blade]

yeah thats normally the plan

[sturdy zephyr]

Kraking?

[coral willow]

tbh spamming kraks are fun

[somber axle]

I'm surprised you took both Hunter's Resolve and Low Profile. Aren't they redundant unless you're solo clutching?

[sturdy zephyr]

But yeah best bet infli and rush checkpoint.

[somber axle]

Hunter's Resolve has no value if someone else is always taking the attention off you right?

They both have the same duration

You could probably drop Hunter's Resolve safely unless you value it that highly for solo clutching

[coral willow]

resolve has 10 and the toughness one has 5

the uh detection lowering thing

[last parcel]

they're both 10

surprise attack is 5

[coral willow]

oh wait yea

im bad

i use toughness one exclusive since im always at their face

[astral blade]

imma be real i normally take hunters resolve if my teammates are to far away or if a teammate is in a bad spot and i need to get them up and there enemies around gotta keep in mind low profile only drops 90% aggro

[last parcel]

lack of iron will resulted in brain damage

[coral willow]

i do like stacking that with iron will to not take any toughness lmao

[astral blade]

that 10% aggro is still there

[last parcel]

anyways, time for me to play executioner's stance without any subnodes

[coral willow]

i take overwatch so

[astral blade]

and hunters resolve is more of a safety net

[coral willow]

bolter zealot kinda thing

[astral blade]

plus i know this may sound silly but my gun is my main weapon

my chainsword is more or less my back up or if i dont wanna waste ammo on a horde

[tall torrent]

I think 3 krak is a ton more versatility that 2 krak simply doesn't have

[coral willow]

^

[tall torrent]

u can quite literally blast a monster to kingdom with 3 krak lol

[coral willow]

4 vs 3 nades are great

and 3 vs 2 is even more so

[tall torrent]

frag I don't think +1 nade is necessary

[astral blade]

a pack pf crushers are normally grouped together pretty tightly if memory serves me correctly

[tall torrent]

but for krak it's a lot more useful

[tall torrent]

terrain dependent

usually they spread out if possible for flanking position

[coral willow]

its an addition rather than nessesity like kraks do yea

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/i-understand-ok-nod-pokemon-pikachu-gif-16953564

[tall torrent]

3 krak with tinkerer and bring it down is almost 20k boss dmg

[somber axle]

If it works for you, it works for you. I'd only ever take 1-2 nodes under Infiltrate and aim on most builds that use it to take only 1

[tall torrent]

with a melee that deals good unyielding dmg u can blast a monster to kingdom come extremely quickly

[somber axle]

The only build I have that uses surprise attack is tac axe

Just because I think it's extra funny

My melee Vet tac axe build is also my only Infiltrate build that uses 2 talent nodes under Infiltrate now that I think about it

[sturdy zephyr]

Max HP of bosses have in damnation ogryn or nurgle?

[coral willow]

every infiltrate build i have uses suprise attack cause thats really the only node that buffs damage aside from the ability nodes later down vet's keystone area

[somber axle]

It's too short term and conditional on use with a ability that had a relatively long uptime for me to consider using it to meet breakpoints on anything other than tac axe tbh and even on tac axe I'm not sure it's even worth it

[coral willow]

its conditional and not worth bp yea

i just do it for the damage

[somber axle]

For boss DPS?

[coral willow]

generally anything

crusher packs, bulwark swarms and anything that would benefit from quickly clearing

[somber axle]

I mean Surprise Attack can be used for funny Crusher 1HKO but the 5 sec duration is REALLY SHORT

[coral willow]

usually to increase the cleave damage

[somber axle]

I do it for the 1HKO WoW Rogue style memes on Knife

[coral willow]

might switch to brutal momentum on mk3 to do that better tbh

[coral willow]

tbh i like infiltrate more than shroudfield cause it buffs for 5 whole second!!!!!(yes i kmow its a lmao)

[bronze atlas]

what should i put on this as a meme marksman's focus crowd murderer?

i kinda like the idea of speedloading for using it as a melee weapon

[tall torrent]

plague ogryn is highest hp monster at 60k

[coral willow]

and bon kinda dies to rashad zealot

or any zealot

that isnt a catachan user

[last parcel]

i always imagine the scene in astartes when they jump the psykers but immediately skip to the part where he actually gets the stab

[sturdy zephyr]

Crit chance,infernus 4

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-wo-w-undead-gnome-horde-gif-14842714

[coral willow]

no headhunter?

[somber axle]

Me and the Crusher

[bronze atlas]

dont own infernus 4 and dont care to farm it, but crit chance replacing groaners and poxers?

[somber axle]

Besties because Crushers are my worsties

[last parcel]

just run out of ammo

[bronze atlas]

i have headhunter 3 but im not here to kill elites with this

i need to kill AS MANY ENEMIES AS POSSIBLE

[last parcel]

it's for shock trooper

[sturdy zephyr]

I read you focus crowd(trashmob) kills right?or fast TTK specials?

[last parcel]

more ammo to dump into poxwalkers

[bronze atlas]

focus crowd, for penance

[bronze atlas]

oh you right, and it crit strings too probably right? like 5 shots?

[last parcel]

i think 2 but i don't have path's guide on me

[sturdy zephyr]

Headhunter for speedload?

[bronze atlas]

speedloader is funny for the meme i think

headhunter for free shots

this is not an auric gun this is a stomp all over malice high int gun

and then what perk...

flak prob

i guess i'll build and then see what i actually need

[sturdy zephyr]

Ones when dealing trashmob those high HP,helmet guy. And shooters. So many shooter

I hate those

[bronze atlas]

maulers are getting kraked