veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

of the smoke

[bitter turtle]

for obvious reasons

[drifting oak]

because 5 seconds ago you were getting shot up in the door

[bitter turtle]

then start throwing them ahead?

it will still

stop enemies

from shooting

[umbral scaffold]

what do the red lines mean

[drifting oak]

at that point you physically spend so much time throwing smokes you could just long slide and start doing more

while shooting

the point is the smoke grenade does nothing useful

[tall torrent]

u just need to throw 1?

[drifting oak]

in the situations where it SHOULD be useful

[tall torrent]

why do u need to throw more than 1

[bitter turtle]

first it was that "smokes do nothing"

now its that "well you can just kill all the gunners before the smokes matter"

[tall torrent]

seems like u just don't understand how they work

[bitter turtle]

[drifting oak]

throw it while you're bottled in the door? okay the moment your team starts to move it does nothing

[bitter turtle]

dude

if you throw it

IN FRONT

AHEAD

where u are going

it still stops gunners

when you stand behind the cloud

even not inside thes moke

[drifting oak]

You just told me stop throwing smoke ahead, what's the play her champ

stop smoking enemies well GEE

[bitter turtle]

no

im saying

[drifting oak]

why am I throwing smokes into the enemy position where they used tobe

[bitter turtle]

dont throw them ON TOP of enemies

[drifting oak]

yeah and Five seconds ago

"ahead" was full of gunners

[bitter turtle]

because that does not work, see last clip

[drifting oak]

because the door opened

[bitter turtle]

yes and im telling u

why didnt you throw it

where the green circles are

i assume

thats ur dumbass team

[drifting oak]

because 5 seconds ago the green circles were in the door

[bitter turtle]

yes

but if you throw it where those green circles are

[drifting oak]

and the gunners were where the team is now

[bitter turtle]

EVEN BEFORE they go

#veteran-class message

[drifting oak]

so what you just don't shoot a damn thing, throw smokes

[bitter turtle]

it will still stop them

[drifting oak]

throw smokes

throw smokes

throw smokes

throw smokes

or

get this

[umbral scaffold]

learn pro smoke lineups

[drifting oak]

just ignore the fact that smokes are a thing and kill them

[umbral scaffold]

on every map

[bitter turtle]

u are the one who was complaining about gunners

in the first place

obv killing them is the best solution, but clearly you were having problems with that

[drifting oak]

my point is that the smoke grenade doesn't do shit about gunners in a position where you want them to carry your team

[bitter turtle]

idk we explained how it works, if you cant use them right, thats fine, doesn't make them useless though

[drifting oak]

i don't need a smoke grenade to help ME gunners I am trying to get my shit idiot teammates who don't even have crouch bound to a key (real story) to not die to gunners but oh wait the smoke grenades are shit at that

[bitter turtle]

no they're not?

i just told you to throw them in between u and the gunners where your dumbass team ended up anyway

so if you just did that

[tall torrent]

how do u use psyker shield actually

[bitter turtle]

there would be no problem

[white minnow]

multiple reading checks failed in succession

so tragic

[bitter turtle]

its literally just psyker shield

but ppl cant figure out how to use it

when its in grenade form

baffling

[drifting oak]

Mister "don't smoke the enemy" well if I throw them forward I smoke the enemy and then five seconds later it's irrelevant

also no

it's very different

if you bubble the gunners they don't shoot out of it either

psyker shield actually helps you push forward

[tall torrent]

u do realize u can throw it in front of instead of engulfing the enemy right

[drifting oak]

because it catches so much fire AND keeps the enemy aggroed instead of doing the "break for cover and run into the hills" behavior that smoke does

[bitter turtle]

but what if your team runs into shield with gunner inside and then gets shot 🤔?????

[drifting oak]

which keeps them in very nice tight foramtions so they actually die

[bitter turtle]

literally your logic btw

[drifting oak]

the nature of bubble means that there will only be, like, 2 or so gunners actually in melee range who even capable of taking action and they SHOULD go into melee

smoke

they keep shooting effectively, and if it's between

now the gunners that were in a ball

are now here, there, fucking everywhere, and still shooting you

fucking trolling your team

[bitter turtle]

they will not be shooting tho

[drifting oak]

harder

oh yes they won't be shooting because you have smoke right

[bitter turtle]

like

in ur very diagram

if you just threw where the green circles are

they would not be shooting in the first place

[drifting oak]

by the time I throw that smoke grenade

pubbie mcpug face is either fucking dead, or he ran away

and I could have just killed 3-5 gunners

[bitter turtle]

by that same logic

then there's no point in dropping shields

[drifting oak]

the point is smoke grenades don't help support your team at all

[bitter turtle]

because the pugs will run into them anyway with gunenrs inside and die

[drifting oak]

no, because shield is a fucking 0.5 second insta action compared to how long it takes to get a smoke thrown, it flies, it bounces, and then it pops

the delay is so fucking egregious that you have to be able to predict the fucking future of your idiot pugs

[bitter turtle]

idk what to tell you nman

[tiny summit]

This is a stupid point

[white minnow]

for dome shield, all projectiles do get stopped inside (e.g., burgle can't spit on you if it's inside)

[bitter turtle]

if they are usable in auric mael

[drifting oak]

yeah you can play no blitz in auric mael too

[bitter turtle]

then i have no idea what your struggle is

[drifting oak]

i don't know why you would, but you can

[bitter turtle]

obv i mean they are useful in it

i take them over kraks quite intentionally

shredder frags still #1 tho

[white minnow]

if you can kill that many gunners in the time it takes to throw the smoke nade, then I don't even see how your team is having trouble with gunners if you're there

just go god gamer on them

just that ez

[bitter turtle]

this entire scenario is ridiculous

when the very first

argument

he made

[drifting oak]

the point is comparison to something like psyker shield

[bitter turtle]

was that his dumbass team is pulling crushers into him

and he cant kill gunners

[orchid hemlock]

ok so this is what it says:

[bitter turtle]

when that happens

but now we can just delet all gunner in 3 seconds apparently

which yes

if you can do that

[drifting oak]

yeah you can instakrak like 4+ ogyrns and still be shooting gunners and specials while the krak grenade is exploding without ever pulling out your melee

very fun trick on these doors

[bitter turtle]

then i wouldnt chuck a smoke grenade in the first place

id just kill them

[orchid hemlock]

its identical to each other, that's why I'm wondering if the interaction is similar to redirect fire, in which the stacks are cumulative

[drifting oak]

these stupid checkpoints where you open up and there's a gorillion elites stacked up and it's mid-special-wave

these are the most pressured sections

that you are likely to lose teammates on

and guess what

[bitter turtle]

its somewhat similar, a lot of specialists have heavy range reduction or outright become non-functional

the main difference is bombers

[drifting oak]

smokes don't help for shit because they take so long to deploy and they actively spread the enemy if you try and throw them forward

[bitter turtle]

bombers ignore smokes for some reason

[drifting oak]

snipers do too unless something changed

[bitter turtle]

they do not

not that id expect you to know

[drifting oak]

but I've gotten targetted through smoke plenty

[delicate helm]

how do i tell which autoguns are ADS and which ones are brace

[bitter turtle]

consdiering it doesnt sound like you actually use them

[white minnow]

braced autoguns are the only ones that brace

[drifting oak]

teammates use them all the time

and they do nothing

[orchid hemlock]

The keystone modifier Redirect Fire for Focus Target gives additional damage to you and allies in coherency based on the number of Focus Target stacks were on the marked target that died. That's what it says on the tin.

What it doesn't say is that the damage bonus duration gets refreshed whenever a target you have tagged dies subsequently. Even if that next target has less Focus Target stacks on it. So yeah you can essentially keep up the max damage boost from Redirect Fire constantly.

And as an additional note, the Redirect Fire stacks you have can get stacks added to it, equal to the Focus Target stacks on the killed target. So if you kill a target with 2 stacks, then another with 3, you'd have 5 Redirect Fire stacks, and so on. Meaning you do not need to wait for max Focus Target stacks in order to get max Redirect Fire stacks. Making at least this modifier very consistent.

[drifting oak]

to snipers

[bitter turtle]

id show you

in psykarium

[drifting oak]

we come out of a door

[bitter turtle]

but you'd probably tell me

[drifting oak]

teammate smokes

[delicate helm]

immmm stupid as fuck

[bitter turtle]

that its made up or doesn't count

[drifting oak]

Sniper glint, sound, anyway

[bitter turtle]

so idk how to prove anything

[drifting oak]

me: "this is why smokes are worthles"

[bitter turtle]

they will break their aim laser if you smoke

in fact

even if they're in the smoke with you

they will run past you like an idiot

and not shoot

so they're extra stupid compared to gunner

who will at least shoot u if you're in the smoke with them

[drifting oak]

if you're that close to the sniper they don't shoot at all, USUALLY

[bitter turtle]

well yeah

[drifting oak]

(sometimes they decide to 360 no scope you anyway)

[bitter turtle]

js

[tall torrent]

these aren't rly the same thing

[bitter turtle]

even in the situations where the ai isnt trying to run away

they will literally just stand there inspecting their gun

if they're in smoke with u

[white minnow]

tbf the naming convention can't be totally relied upon to tell if it braces or not (e.g., autopistols also brace), but yeah braced autoguns are the only ones that brace (at the moment)

[orchid hemlock]

I know fatshark likes to give us no information, so I'm just going with what is being literally presented

[bitter turtle]

if you're asking

if target down works the same way

unfortunately

no

[orchid hemlock]

Redirect Fire stacks cumulatively, I already explained what that means, however I have no idea how to test target down does the same thing

[bitter turtle]

or else you could probably keep deadshot forever

[orchid hemlock]

😔

sadge

[bitter turtle]

its just based on how many stacks they have when killed

not some

[tall torrent]

I remember telling u abt my guide then u said u didn't want it

so

[bitter turtle]

tbh i dont even know how it'd work if it worked the way you were hoping

like how would it count

cumulatively

[tall torrent]

here's the info on how veteran's middle keystone actually works

[bitter turtle]

the reason redirect fire cumulatively works is cause its a buff that stays on you

but target down is just a 1 time "heal"

[orchid hemlock]

your guide say this:

can provide additional boosts for a total of +15.5%
dmg against any gold-tagged enemy & makes you
less reliant on tagging for breakpoints, potentially
allowing you to refrain from tagging as much.
• You can only build up to 6 stacks (10s without
tagging) since Redirect Fire only lasts 10s. You
cannot build all 8 stacks from Focussed Fire.```

I don't know why u said:
"cannot build all 8 stacks from Focussed Fire"

[bitter turtle]

he means

[tall torrent]

redirect fire is a consistent dmg boost
target down is for u to spam ping every enemy u kill to maximize toughness & stamina gain

[orchid hemlock]

because I just did in the video demonstration

[tall torrent]

I mean it as in

[bitter turtle]

you cant build 8 stacks of focus target without redirect dropping off

which would defeat the point of waiting for more dmg

[tall torrent]

redirect fire literally doesn't last long enough for u to build 8 stacks

[bitter turtle]

if you lose your other dmg buff

[tall torrent]

ur not meant to wait for stacks with middle keystone, ever

u tag as soon as u see and get passive benefits

[orchid hemlock]

I understand that now, but I am just explaining why I was confused

[tall torrent]

like, yes u can tag at 4 stacks, then tag another for 4 stacks to get 8 stack RF

[orchid hemlock]

i never said this what

[tall torrent]

maybe it was someone else

[orchid hemlock]

I use your guide all the time 😔

[tall torrent]

mb

I wouldn't recommend 8 stacks node

it's very mid value usually

[orchid hemlock]

but if it doesn't stack, then that answers my question for the "regen build"

[tall torrent]

if ur going for regen

without messing up dmg nodes for breakpoints

the most I'd go for is

plasma gloryhunter + born leader + target down
either confirmed kill or out for blood

covering fire is bad mainly because it doesn't work for urself

even if it worked for self at reduced value it wouldn't be as bad

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62

this is what Im going to try to grind for:

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't take charismatic either

extra coherency radius is whatever honestly

it's ur teammates' fault for not being in coherency with u to gain benefits, not ur fault for being out of their coherency

[orchid hemlock]

I jst dont know what to use the last node on

[last parcel]

rizz talent best talent

[orchid hemlock]

maybe stamina 😔

[tall torrent]

drop charismatic, take stamina regen boost

stamina regen boost is huge

[orchid hemlock]

or longshot

[tall torrent]

ur gonna appreciate it when u need to 1v2 chaos spawns

[orchid hemlock]

but idk how much value longshot is with plasma

[tall torrent]

not needed unless ur plasma has low dmg & SP roll

[bitter turtle]

longshot is good but you probably dont need it if you're going focus target

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/3hclJz-uAfo?si=CEGyyXlyoE7ZQ9uU

[hexed cloak]

how often are you 1v2ing those lol

[tall torrent]

I just started practicing 1v1 chaos spawn today

like, maybe an hour or two ago

[hexed cloak]

also never noticed chaos spawn has some armor on it

[glass gulch]

is there anything i should know if i try to start modding the game?

[last parcel]

just read the descriptions before you install

oh and this https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/#/installing-mods

[hexed cloak]

just make sure you have the proper requirements for mods to work, otherwise so client side stuff and no one will care

[glass gulch]

nothing is really ban worthy correct? like i was watching a few youtube videos and notice that they have ui stuff, but then i also saw some mods thats allow you to sell things at hadron and what not, (im assuming the things like full auto are ban worthy though)

[last parcel]

full auto is not

[glass gulch]

really?

[last parcel]

let me see if i can find the post
edit: fuck me https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/are-macros-allowed/75581/4

but as long as you're not fucking with other people's games it's fine

[hexed cloak]

General rule of thumb is don't get any mods that effect others

any cosmetic stuff or like QoL things are just fine

[somber axle]

Things that are client side exclusive are ok I think. As long as it doesn't change anything server side it doesn't matter to the devs afaik. For the Drip exists and lets you customize how your character looks in lots of ways even paid cosmetics don't compare to. There's even a weapons customization mod that lets you make guns however you want them to look. But they will only be visible on your screen. If you add a flashlight to a weapon using the weapon mod but the weapon lacks a flashlight in the base game you are the only one who will see the flashlight.

[tall torrent]

as long as it's not actively harming the experience for other players, it's fine

ex: scoreboard mod is fine, but using scoreboard as a way to trash talk ur teammates is less fine

[glass gulch]

ok cool

[somber axle]

Ok you're gonna laugh but you can except it is incredibly impractical in actual matches

Ping target with 8 stacks

Kill target

Ping second target immediately after

[tall torrent]

this would have at minimum 2 stack on enemy, 8 stack RF on self

[somber axle]

Yes

[tall torrent]

so +8% on enemy, +12% on self

[somber axle]

One sec while I type on phone

[tall torrent]

whereas not having 8 stacks would be

+8% on enemy, +7.5% on self

[somber axle]

Killing a 2 stack target refreshes 8 stack without overwriting the 8 stack buff afaik

[tall torrent]

it's just a 4.5% dmg difference

[somber axle]

From redirect

So kill 2 stack target when redirect fire is about to drop off

[tall torrent]

yes, but it's still only a 4.5% dmg difference

[somber axle]

8 stack refreshes

[tall torrent]

it's just too small to matter most of the time

[somber axle]

4-5 stacks of focus target back

[tall torrent]

that's if u actively refrain from tagging enemies

which is more detrimental

[somber axle]

8 stack redirect fire still active and by the time 8 stacks are ready again you can have both 8 stack redirect fire and 8 stack focus target active simultaneously

[tall torrent]

not possible

[austere pine]

shotgun with voc or infiltrate?

both on ws

[somber axle]

Yes and it is highly impractical outside of being ridiculously silly about Karnak Twins shield down damage stacking combined with elite kill duty

The effort is not worth it imo

But it is weirdly possible

[tall torrent]

even if u actively refrain from tagging, u can't build 8 stacks while keeping RF up

[somber axle]

Yes possible with the refresh method I explained

[tall torrent]

no, it's not lol

[vernal sundial]

nothing on nexus will get you banned.
mods some people consider "cheaty" like weapon customization, spidey sense, healthbars, etc will not get you banned
even for the drip and such won't, and that lets you customize your character in ways that make buying cosmetics look like a waste.
don't worry about it

things like full auto and macros go a long way into making sure i dont get carpal tunnel by the time im 30

[somber axle]

Unless 2 stack focus target overwrites the original 8 stack buff it does

The second target refreshes redirect target duration to full

Test it in Psykanium

[tall torrent]

because once u refresh the 8 stacks from killing a 2 stack
RF 10s
gain 4 stacks on tag (takes 6s, so RF has 4s left)

[somber axle]

You will see the buff icon go back to full

I would record this for you except I am trapped at work

2 more hours

[tall torrent]

it doesn't overwrite, but remember that tagging sends u back to 1

killing that enemy refreshes to 2

to build to 5 stacks u still need 6s time

the moment u refresh, it's on a 10s timer

[somber axle]

Yes do it at 2 stacks and let the second target live until redirect fire is about to drop off you. While you let it live Focus Target is gaining stacks and gets up to 4-5 depending on timing. Killing second target refreshes redirect fire without changing the Focus Target stacks you generated being idle

So by the time you have 8 stacks ready to go you still have 8 stack redirect fire up too

[tall torrent]

oh I get it

lemme try

[somber axle]

The timing is very tight so the window is meaningless

Literally like 2-3 seconds of both buffs active

But it's funny for damage stacking on Psykanium fluff vids LOL

I don't do it when doing clown science testing because it's too much effort for impractical levels of damage

[tall torrent]

it's useless in practice tho

[somber axle]

Yes very useless

[tall torrent]

psykanium warrior's secret tech

[somber axle]

Something technically possible but functionally useless for real games

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

Like Boltgun 1 shot stagger into Bulwark shield

Literally useless info

LOL

Possible still? Yes

Practical? No

But Boltgun + Exe Stance will shield stagger Bulwarks with 2 shots and the hip fire is a 2 shot burst so outside of the ammo consumption it's fine in practice

As a clown I am full of useless info

[umbral scaffold]

the autism clown is so cool tho so u must be cool as well

[delicate helm]

for the penance “make every shot count” do you have to have exactly 90% accuracy or is it just 90% or above?

[tall torrent]

90% or above

[delicate helm]

thank god

the wording was saying otherwise

[hexed cloak]

just plasma or shotgun that shit

or be a true god gamer and use high capacity semi auto

[delicate helm]

why make it easy for myself

[hexed cloak]

because funi rewards

[delicate helm]

masochism

[hexed cloak]

that sounds like zealot talk

[delicate helm]

nevermind

i moght want to make it easy on myself

[radiant chasm]

as long as your "full auto" mod doesn't go past the semi auto spam click rate of fire fatshark doesn't care

[somber axle]

If you have extra dockets to burn at Brunt's Armoury you can make it extra easy by rolling your preferred weapon until you get a low ammo stat version to run with. Much easier to do it with a Plasma gun that has the ammo stat in the 0-30% range vs one that has 60-80% ammo stat

[delicate helm]

with the shotgun, does every pellet have to hit or does it simply have to hit to count towards 100% accuracy?

[radiant chasm]

if you have a mod that say, used weapon swapping to melee attack faster than any human can, that will get you in trouble

[drifting oak]

nah, plenty of people used the macros for spam attack

[hexed cloak]

i think its just one pellet counts as a hit in general, hence why people usually suggest shotguns

[drifting oak]

people still do for psyker stick LMB

no one cares

[delicate helm]

neato

[drifting oak]

they've slowly been patching them out (which is good IMO)

[hexed cloak]

or plasma because you can charge it and chew through ammo within only like a few shots

[somber axle]

I did mine with Lawbringer Shotgun

[glass gulch]

so ive got all the mods i wanted installed, how do i actually get it running lmao, appaerntly i cant just launch the game with steam like i can other games

[somber axle]

But yeah Revolver/Plasma/Shotgun are all good weapons to try for the penance

Boltgun too

[drifting oak]

you should be able to

i do

[somber axle]

Unload boltgun into a Burgle back

[hexed cloak]

revolver a nice choice too due to low ammo count

[somber axle]

Watch the ammo vanish

[tacit sonnet]

you can

[glass gulch]

oh do i have to edit the fucking load order

[last parcel]

you should be able to if you did everything correctly

[tacit sonnet]

Unless you are using vortex

[tacit sonnet]

Of course you have to

[drifting oak]

best is probably plasma tbh
you can literally just play plasma like you normally do, you should have >90% accuracy with that thing as long as your team isn't super great at sniping specials out from under you

[glass gulch]

PAIN, i didnt see that in the guide

i couldve skipped over it

[drifting oak]

then in the post-mission ask your team to wait while you dump fully charged shots into the last few trash mobs

[tacit sonnet]

No one knows how your load order looks like, only you can do it

[hexed cloak]

i would assume you are going through vortex?

[glass gulch]

tbh whenever ive modded other games they either have in a built in load order of which one you put in first, or no load order at all

[tall torrent]

Just make sure animation events goes before scoreboard

[hexed cloak]

thats how i do mine, makes it much simpler

[glass gulch]

no

[drifting oak]

vortex simplifies things

[hexed cloak]

oh

[drifting oak]

just a nicer gUI

[hexed cloak]

vortex makes it easier but you can do it manually if you feel comfortable

[tacit sonnet]

It's not much more complicated without vortex

Just copy paste folder names into a single file, that's it

[hexed cloak]

eh, im just too lazy to do that for each one is my main thing

[bitter turtle]

I think they mean

If you ping

Then wait for 8 stacks b4 killing

[tacit sonnet]

If you are using like 50 mods than yea, vortex is a lot easier

[hexed cloak]

was even too lazy to make my own modpack, i just modified a prebuilt one lol

[tall torrent]

Yea I figured it out

[bitter turtle]

Which yeah is super impractical but lol

It is a way

[hexed cloak]

most of my mods dont even really change game much

a decent chunk are modifiers to other mods, like scoreboard addons

[tall torrent]

I just have a bunch of UI & QoL stuff

[hexed cloak]

thats pretty much what all of mine is, i dont think i have anything cosmetic actually

other than i guess HUD mod but it barely changes anything

[tall torrent]

Only thing tempting me is weapon customization

Sorta want optics over iron sights

I’d mod laspistol’s holo sight onto every gun that can ads

[hexed cloak]

just like adds color and icons so i can tell what book people are carrying and what stimms they have without having to strain my eyes for the little symbol

[tacit sonnet]

UI & QoL is almost every single mod in darktide

They don't do anything else

[hexed cloak]

see i would grab weapon customization but i barely play with guns as is

granted i will have to for penances, but i just never been that big into the guns

[last parcel]

make objectively beautiful weapons

[somber axle]

Lore accurate Elysian Recon

[radiant chasm]

it also bricked my mod folder, it isn't hard to do manually

just drag, drop, copy paste the file name

[delicate helm]

does accuracy still count if i hit a bulwark shield?

[somber axle]

Can you make the California compliant Boltgun?

[umbral scaffold]

i can't stop eating bros

i'm slowly becoming an ogryn

i guess i'd better start hanging out in #ogryn-class from now on

[glass gulch]

anyone know why the Stimmfo mod isnt working? ive typed in the name for the mod load correctly and everything is extracted as normal

[hexed cloak]

stimmfo mod?

[last parcel]

when you have a stimm, it shows a description of what it does

[coral willow]

lucius stock is available i think

[umbral scaffold]

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Stimms#:~:text=Stimm Types%3A,-Med Stimm (green&text=Restores%20one%20health%20segment%2C%20or,or%20corruption%20damage%20to%20restore.

Ot

It's only 4 stims

it's not that hard to remember

the hardest part is finding out what they do

[hexed cloak]

i just have a mod that colors them in the GUI for me so i can tell at a glance what everyone has

[umbral scaffold]

oh makes sense yo

you ever hit your team mate with a stim before?

cause I have

I didn't get an achievement for it though

[hexed cloak]

red = hit harder
yellow = more F ability
green = remove corruption
blue = go faster

[umbral scaffold]

but if there was an achievement for it I bet you only 2% of players would have it

[delicate helm]

blue also increases both your melee and ranged attack speed

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/brW4D.gif

[hexed cloak]

blue also does quite a bit of changes to psyker smite and assail

[delicate helm]

i dont know how drugs make your gun fire faster but it just works

[umbral scaffold]

gotta go fast bruh

[tall torrent]

Blue is very strong

Yellow is good for veteran VoC spam

[hexed cloak]

blue does a lot of shit that you wouldnt assume it does when you read it

makes staff users cracked af with their charges

[tall torrent]

Red depends on build

Excluding healing, Blue is the strongest stimm overall

[coral willow]

blue is like a hidden gem

red is hammer zealot's wet dream

[hexed cloak]

like blue on the tin it makes it sound like you just have more stamina, but nah it makes so many things faster and more efficient

[coral willow]

red also gives partial rending p suee

[tall torrent]

Rending doesn’t matter much for hammer

It’s build dependant

Some weapons benefit more from red

But blue is basically always good

[coral willow]

main reason for hammer to take one is like +25% power

[hexed cloak]

reloads faster, more efficient pushing, more efficient sprinting, attack speed, charge of plasma and staves, smite speed, assail speed, and quell speed

trauma users love blue

[tall torrent]

Its mainly for full stamina regain, atk speed bonus and having reduced stamina cost

Everything else are secondary

[coral willow]

staff psykers love blue in general cause charge speed and peril and all that

[hexed cloak]

blue also makes assail feel a little closer to pre-nerf

[tall torrent]

Psyker kind of benefits from red more mathematically

[hexed cloak]

granted without the busted ass ammo

[tall torrent]

Because 25% rending does big numbers for Soulblaze and assail

[hexed cloak]

yeah that rending is no joke

[coral willow]

i think red is generally more popular

[tall torrent]

Red is popular because people see +Dmg and go ooh

[coral willow]

monkey brain what do you expect

[tall torrent]

But on a properly optimized non-Soulblaze build, blue is usually better

[coral willow]

people kinda sleep on soulblqze but idk if illisi is good with one

[umbral scaffold]

well red's good as fuck

[tall torrent]

Soulblaze is the most broken mechanic for psyker

[umbral scaffold]

i often have a eviscerator mk 15 roight

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon

[umbral scaffold]

so increasing rend and power

means i'm gonna be pooping on everybody

[tall torrent]

Some weapons don’t benefit from that much from it

[hexed cloak]

illisi blaze is a joke mainly

[umbral scaffold]

well yeh like axes won't get shit from rending right

[hexed cloak]

axes kind of "rend" on default

[tall torrent]

Well, not that much

[umbral scaffold]

but they'll bene fit from the power if you're fighting fricken crushers

[coral willow]

blazing spirit trauma is good cause the AoE is absurd to begin with lmfao

[umbral scaffold]

isn't rend where you go through one enemy and hit the person behind him in a single swing

[tall torrent]

For EV15 specifically I’d say blue is better still

[coral willow]

i mean it should damage goes from like idk 50% to 70%

[umbral scaffold]

how is blue better?

I'm thinking for hordes of enemies

[tall torrent]

Because EV15 doesn’t need rending to kill crushers

[umbral scaffold]

so is rending just armor piercing then?

[tall torrent]

No

[coral willow]

thats power, rending makes carapace into butter basically

[umbral scaffold]

o

i don't get what rending is

[tall torrent]

Rending helps u deal Dmg against enemies wearing Armor (that ur weapon doesn’t do very good against)

[umbral scaffold]

hmm

i c

[tall torrent]

EV15 doesn’t need rending

EV15 wants atk speed

[coral willow]

yknow those fallout games where therex armor piercing, its like that

[umbral scaffold]

you mean new vegas

[tall torrent]

U can literally 1 shot crusher with EV15 with Crit weakspot rev H1

Without using FotF

[umbral scaffold]

afaik NV's the only FO game that had that besides FO 2 and maybe 1

also tactics

[coral willow]

you need carapace but yea

[umbral scaffold]

I usualy just hit them with an overhead on the chain thingy

[coral willow]

only game that matters aside from classics maybe

[umbral scaffold]

maybe

[hexed cloak]

rending works weird but basically boiled down to "fuck you and your armor"

[coral willow]

chainaxe deals even more damage so doesnt even need carapace p sure, just good ol thrust

[tall torrent]

Yes, u don’t need rending for that

[umbral scaffold]

idk i beat fo 1, 2, nv, and 3... almost beat tactics... still think 2's the only real fo game that was amazing

[coral willow]

agree to disagree then

[umbral scaffold]

imagine if bethesda made fallout tactics II 😮 ooh boy how they would fuck it up!

indeed

[umbral scaffold]

Well I get that

[vernal sundial]

never played the original 2, but have heard good things
NV is the only fallout game that ive played, that i can say i enjoyed

[umbral scaffold]

I was thinking of rending for something else previously

[coral willow]

it kinda still benefits

but not as much

[umbral scaffold]

FO 2 is very very good, b ut it's isometric graphics... turn based and slow.

So it's not for everybody

I played it back in 2002

or 2007 i think actually

[coral willow]

base power increase is still present so

[umbral scaffold]

2004?

sometime between 2002-2009

[tall torrent]

Chainsword maybe

[umbral scaffold]

it was good then now you have fortnite and no one can handle pixel graphics anymore

[tall torrent]

EV15 doesn’t rly need rending

[vernal sundial]

still think morrowind is bethesda's best game and that they won't ever top that level of innovation or game design ever again
but yknow

[umbral scaffold]

morrowind would be an amazing game if they polished it up a bit

but i agree kind of

[hexed cloak]

i grew up with oblivion, loved that game and its bugginess

[vernal sundial]

not entirely true
pixel graphic indie games are a big hit

[coral willow]

it doesnt need one but still benefits a bit so yea

[hexed cloak]

granted bethesda is still known for bugs but oblivion felt like it was charming rather than laziness

also just liked the story more

[umbral scaffold]

bethesda just never makes the perfect game...ever... they make good games though so whatever...

[vernal sundial]

oblivion was their last good game i think
skyrim is...overrated imo but aint bad
and everything after skyrim is just slop

[umbral scaffold]

Oh I know I was being rhetorical.

But I almost never meet anyone who will try FO2

and if they do, it's usually for the sake of enjoying the newer games

and they often can't stand fo 1 or 2

[hexed cloak]

skyrim i despise the story

the general gameplay is a step up from oblivion of course, but man they fumbled everything else

[vernal sundial]

they took everything good about the previous games and just took a big, watery shit on it, and that's skyrim

[umbral scaffold]

I wish Games Workshop would hire a team of devs, produce a game basically, that's just WH40k, or even HH, in the style of oblivion or some shit

[hexed cloak]

which why im glad we got huge overhauls of the older elder scrolls games being made as skyrim mods

[umbral scaffold]

free roam open world lvling up in space sneaky or assaulty or whatever fighty astartes

[hexed cloak]

cant trust bethesda to do it so we got to do it now

[umbral scaffold]

bethesda always leaves it to modders to finish their game

[vernal sundial]

i disagree, actually
the magic system in skyrim is pathetic

[coral willow]

i wonder when are we getting darktide but space marines

[hexed cloak]

yeah the magic is kind of lacking

[umbral scaffold]

i agree with alyx. skyrim's almost good for magic but as it stands... kinda fuckin lame

[umbral scaffold]

yeahg bro god damn

cause that one game

uh

dark wing or whatever

space hulk

is cool

[hexed cloak]

older elder scrolls gave you really good freedom over everything

[vernal sundial]

oblivion was janky but i enjoyed the combat more than i did in skyrim

although i didnt ever like bethesda combat in general, its extremely generic and barebones

[umbral scaffold]

but it's slow

astartes coop game would be sweet

[coral willow]

hoping space marine 2 coop hits the sweetspot for a bit

[umbral scaffold]

i wanna be a god damn blood angel and enter the black rage and shoot at 1,000 different horus's

[hexed cloak]

bethesda prides itself a LOT on rpg combat, which they have boiled down to the core components and not really added any spice to it

[coral willow]

yooo

[hexed cloak]

even starfield which by all means should have felt more like a modern FPS felt like generic rpg combat

[coral willow]

prides itself on... nothing

great

[hexed cloak]

like how the hell do you make a post-modern sci-fi shooter game set in a unique universe feel like a skyrim mod with magic guns

that has to take some level of AAA skill

[drifting oak]

because it was literally built on the skyrim engine wasn't it

you can't hide your rotots

[hexed cloak]

thats another thing too, would it kill them to use literally any other engine

[vernal sundial]

ive said it here before but
in the last couple years 3 friends have talked about revisiting skyrim, and i bought each of them wild hunt for like $5
they all had 50+ hours in it in about a week and thanked me for having them play that instead lmao

[coral willow]

kill like half the team provably

[umbral scaffold]

i bet unreal engine would fix most of the problems

[bitter turtle]

When i played skyrim I just remember spamming power attacks

[hexed cloak]

its not like using their own in-house engine really benefits them in any way possible other than showing everyone how dated their systems are

[coral willow]

is unity dead now btw after the incident

[bitter turtle]

Then I tried installing combat mods but in the end still spamming power attacks but just longer

[hexed cloak]

nah unity is fine, they dialed back

[coral willow]

darktide be like

[hexed cloak]

granted some people are still a bit butthurt that unity did that whole thing in the first place, but i feel it isnt really an issue if you are an indie dev in the first place

[coral willow]

i still cant wrap my head around payday 2, vermintide 2/darktide, and helldivers 2 all come from a same breed of game engines

[hexed cloak]

unless you happen to be a very successful indie dev

[vernal sundial]

after skyrim, especially after fo4, doubly especially after 76, and triply especially after starfield, i have zero expectations for es6 whatsoever

[coral willow]

or mobile gacha devs

[hexed cloak]

lol my thing with bethesda is that they somehow excel at making the same game but with a new skin

[vernal sundial]

gacha

[hexed cloak]

like bro i dont get it, how the hell do you make space boring

and in your own universe you created too

[vernal sundial]

"space"

[coral willow]

same way no mans sky did it at first launch probably

[hexed cloak]

where literally anything could be made up and wouldnt be out of the ordinary

[vernal sundial]

at least you could
i dunno
travel in space in NMS

[hexed cloak]

like bro you could use so much imagination

[coral willow]

if they had brains to do that maybe they wouldnt remaster same game for 10 years

[hexed cloak]

at least NMS got updated over time, i doubt they plan on doing anything to starfield given how quickly everyone dropped it

[vernal sundial]

yknow
fly your ship
in the space game
kind of a big deal
you would think that would take precedence over just throwing loading screens everywhere and tiny instances on planets instead

[hexed cloak]

my thing too is how constricted the entire place felt

like you have this entire planet or whatever known for being a huge trade hub and where everyone goes, and you get like the tiniest place that is barely populated to explore?

[bitter turtle]

Are Bethesda games actually fun without 1 gorillion mods because that's the only time I find them tolerable

[hexed cloak]

well, "explore"

[vernal sundial]

bethesda games are like templates for people to mod into actual games lmao

[somber axle]

Rogue Trader is an RPG but with an isometric camera style so unless you like the look of the Diablo games or any RTS game it may not be the aesthetic you want for the genre

[coral willow]

imagine darktide but gacha game

oh wait

[hexed cloak]

bethesda games unironically feel like they are based on templates you would use to learn how to make games

but are labeled AAA and cost like 70 bucks

[coral willow]

why do they cost 70 bucks again helldivers cost like 40

[bitter turtle]

I only played skyrim and fo4 so idk but the actual game was repetitive and half baked

Is how I felt playing them

But I'm not some old fan of them so

[somber axle]

Modern Bethesda games rely on modders making the game better than it is and word of mouth of how the game is really good with mods to make people buy the re-re-re-re-release for Tomagachi

[hexed cloak]

im honestly surprised they even try to make a story anymore for these things

though maybe they do to hide how little actual work goes into the gameplay

[coral willow]

howard todoki's pey project

[hexed cloak]

funniest part is how they blatantly take mods and repackage them to sell to people

[somber axle]

Far Harbour was unironically good and if the rest of Fallout 4 had as much storytelling love poured into it FO4 would be a treasure. But the base game story is basic as hell and only a few side quests really stand out as memorable. The environmental storytelling has some neat gems but otherwise the main story quests and side quests are lackluster

[coral willow]

base game feels like fake ending kill them all

[somber axle]

My fav is the Brotherhood of Steel moment where Doctor Li from Fallout 3 leaves the Institute to join the Brotherhood of Steel and as soon as she figures out you're working on Liberty Prime she wants out of the project. But you can convince her with a simple persuasion check that makes her sound incredibly stupid

[hexed cloak]

the best part of any fallout game is the low intelligence playthroughs

[coral willow]

even if ulysses is like basically merry sue i take him over fo4

[somber axle]

https://youtu.be/Scfv1phAJcw?si=Rw0Rlfqni0PJok6h

Look at how stupid their writing is

LMFAO

[coral willow]

also new doom game feels like something right out from chatgpt

[last parcel]

not really with what we have now.
you're forced to take a grip so the trigger will be in the wrong position, and if you use another stock as a grip, the trigger is still down there (pic 2)
this one is using the bolt pistol receiver. the regular ones are too big but this one puts the underrail inside the mag.
plus all the bolter barrels are too large and placed too high

you can approximate it with the weapon customization modding tools (pic 3), but it won't be usable in a match unless you make those edits to the parts yourself.

[somber axle]

30 sec vid where Doctor Li, one of the smartest people in the post apocalypse, is convinced by the line "do I need to remind you??"

[last parcel]

must fuck around more

[hexed cloak]

goldfish memory? didnt even sound remotely angry or anything about it lol

[coral willow]

fo4 also kinda killed off fo3 as the new drama did with vegas

[hexed cloak]

just like "damn you right"

[somber axle]

Yeah LMFAO

[hexed cloak]

shit was unironically like "well i got this scooby snack if you do it"

[somber axle]

Second fav line is asking Shaun why the Institute is kidnapping people and replacing them with Synths

He just says "you wouldn't understand" like he's a kid going through a goth phase

[hexed cloak]

ok i will admit the shaun thing at the end is kind of a cool twist

[somber axle]

It's really just reverse FO3 if you break it down

[coral willow]

no yesman = bad game

[somber axle]

FO3: kid leaves vault to find parent
FO4: parent leaves vault to find kid

[coral willow]

least fo3 was more of a straightforward game with karma stuff

[hexed cloak]

but its kind of ruined by that line and also how he just blatantly doesnt seem to care about anyone entirely

like you mean to tell me that just because he was "raised by the institute" he has 0% regard for humanity and acts like a damn synth himself

[coral willow]

i mean lets be real even if he is the protag's kid he was raised by the idiots inside institute

[hexed cloak]

and doesnt even care about the people who brought him into the world?

[midnight totem]

The only good synth is Curie

... and that might just because of her accent

[last parcel]

who need they curussy ate

[somber axle]

He's a product of a bunch of basement nerds who are so bad at understanding anything about humans despite being them that the synths they make have more in common with the average wastelander. The Institute are out of touch and the Director being so head up his own ass reflects it well

[hexed cloak]

like i get it, he wasnt raised by his parents for long enough, but i refuse to believe that he has not even a little bit of care for others

[coral willow]

which is funny cause shes also like was with a group of scientiest who tried to take vault dweller lives

[hexed cloak]

like surely he would feel at least minorly sad or something about the fact his mother/father died

[coral willow]

its kinda bad writing making any sense of reasonability out of the window tbh

[hexed cloak]

institute in general is just stupid

[somber axle]

It's hard to have empathy when your parents basically don't exist to you and a bunch of scientists treat you like a lab rat for the first years of your life for a project to make android clones from your DNA

[coral willow]

institute does random shit and claims its helping humanity

[somber axle]

Which makes romancing Curie in the synth body weird

[hexed cloak]

"helping humanity" by replacing it lol

[coral willow]

its like vaulttec in a way i fuess

[somber axle]

Curie's body is made from your family's DNA

This is some weird futuristic incest

[hexed cloak]

shhh that someones kink or something

[last parcel]

what's wrong with incest

[coral willow]

was that why they kidnapped a baby?

jeez

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-home-alabama-logan-paul-saoirse-singing-jamming-gif-22112267

[hexed cloak]

yeah they kidnapped shaun because he was both young and also one of the very few humans with non-mutated genes

[somber axle]

Also sorry I saw this I was just too lost in clowning on FO4 writing being awful lost in my own ranting LOL

That's hilarious LMFAO

[coral willow]

anyhoo none of the scientists at institute had proper foster care probably
...so did almost anyone in fo4 really but still

[hexed cloak]

theoretically they could have also grabbed either of the parents honestly

[somber axle]

California Boltgun is here

[coral willow]

yoooo

[somber axle]

They probably took Shaun because keeping an adult captive for testing is harder

[hexed cloak]

yeah, baby easier to work with, as horrible as it is

[somber axle]

A baby doesn't try to fight for their freedom

[coral willow]

true

anyway fallout in shellnut

kids be good

[somber axle]

That's amazing ohmygosh

[hexed cloak]

regardless we can all agree the only right decision in FO4 is to find the most brutal way to kill shaun

[somber axle]

I think Fallout has a lot of good ideas with amazing potential

[hexed cloak]

also take maxim coat

[coral willow]

"omg why kill your only son" yeah i dont xare

[somber axle]

Just a lot of the time the potential is ruined because the execution is stupid

[coral willow]

im sad about maxim kinda but only cause the brotherhood i knew in fo3 was fucked over by him

[hexed cloak]

he stopped being my son after he shit talked my SO

[somber axle]

Idk why Bethesda assumed we would care about a baby that gets like 2 minutes of screen time

We needed a FO3 flashback sequence letting him grow up a little

[coral willow]

i mean fo3 worked so

[somber axle]

Have him be 6 years old when he is unfrozen and looking at you terrified when the other parent is shot and killed in front of you both

Have him scream your name

[hexed cloak]

i guess their thought process was "you went on such a long journey for this, why would you be so quick to pull the trigger when you went through all that just to get here"

but like man i have 0 actual care for that boy

[somber axle]

They put out the dumb detail of Codsworth saying "Sir Shitwit"

[coral willow]

fo4 is funny in general

[somber axle]

All that voice acting for nothing

[midnight totem]

Pfft. I'm an American. They're a French accented foreigner. No incest here

[coral willow]

premise is finding your boy but everything in game screams for everything else than finding your boy

[north raptor]

it has a high statistical likelihood of sexual abuse

[last parcel]

sounds like skill issue

[midnight totem]

Hadron thinks this is heresy, and she's probably right

[hexed cloak]

there is no probably

she is 100% right

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-gif-13246854

[coral willow]

vegas is cool

i like to imagine vegas but honkai starrail cause im dum

[somber axle]

I really liked New Vegas but Ulysses is overrated imo

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-joshua-graham-gif-25989158

[last parcel]

the bear

and the bull

[coral willow]

he is but where else would you put that merry sue sunovabitch

[somber axle]

Joshua Graham > Ulysses even if Honest Hearts was kinda lame

[somber axle]

In a grave

[coral willow]

6 feet under, classy

[somber axle]

Just shoot him

[coral willow]

now do it without hacking eyebots

and no crits

[somber axle]

He spends the whole xpac of Lonesome Road talking your ear off

Threatening nukes

You can persuade him to your cause

[coral willow]

he quite is a merry sue with monologuing villain type

[somber axle]

It's dumb and pointless to convince him imo

Big climax

Just shoot the guy

[coral willow]

idk, i sitll like the premise

i agree joshua is more of a cooler individual

[somber axle]

Anyway brb wrapping up some final stuff at work

[midnight totem]

Oh, did you catch the latest sunburst?

[coral willow]

heard vegas was fucked and thats all

i just stopped caring after that

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/enemy-artillery-helldivers-2-helldivers-missiles-gif-16244640406742692138

[coral willow]

this is a helldivers meme right

funny af

[somber axle]

Not yet but soon! Work and D&D has kept me busy the last few days

[umbral scaffold]

I tried roosh trader but got bored of it quickly. It reminded me of kotor but I just couldn't get into it idk

[somber axle]

That's fair. I started it on a coop playthrough with two friends so it was fun with the three of us planning out how to tackle encounters together

I'm doing a solo playthrough now too

[umbral scaffold]

oh i couldn't play it multiplayer

[somber axle]

The multi-player isn't like BG3

Host dictates story choices

[umbral scaffold]

i beat bg 1

idk if i'll ever play 3

sadly

[somber axle]

Other players pick a character and control them for combat and exploration

[umbral scaffold]

ic ic

[somber axle]

You can hire mercs and design them however you want

That's how my friend let me and another friend make our own characters to play

We each control 2 characters

I got my Sanctioned Psyker using a Lasgun and Pasqual, friend hosting the coop session controls his Rogue Trader and Argenta, last friend controls his Crime Lord Soldier with the Sniper Rifle and Abelard

It works surprisingly well tbh

Some desync issues at first until we messed with the game settings and fixed it

I mainly just heal and provide supporting fire while gaslighting my friend into executing the innocent

He may be the one making choices but I'm the clown on his shoulder whispering to him that it'd be smart to do something funny

[uncut pebble]

This bothers me more due to your pfp.

[real sorrel]

is there anything that would make a krak bounce off of a crusher instead of sticking?

[sinful swallow]

Kraks are magnetic

They're anti tank grenades that's kind of like the main thing they do

[late hatch]

Wincest

[agile forge]

I think underarm throws don't always attract

[north raptor]

i hate that

i wish i could just aim normally

[astral blade]

fuck man i feel like no ammo pick ups modifier are a vets worst enemy

[tough tiger]

what's the most optimal way to use the shovel

also which shovel is best against elites?

[elder fiber]

mk7

[rigid pilot]

Shovel with thrust and +carapace can oneshot crushers

[tough tiger]

what about take a swing and uncanny strike?

[rigid pilot]

You want thrust and uncanny anyway

[elder fiber]

take a swing is funny but wack

thrust also helps with mk7 horde clear

[agile forge]

Not sure if take a swing is working atm

[coral willow]

folding shovi usually boils down to thrust + deci/uncanny aint it?

uncanny is too good to past but oh well

[trim hemlock]

It does, yeah

Decimator is debatable still, but is not bad per se

[late hatch]

Just rolled this up

[winter grove]

@tall torrent Would no respite kinda work for Mg12? Asking in case this good ass mg12 gets bricked by hadron

[stone adder]

is this 🔥 or is it 🧱

[crimson pebble]

Why that mk of shovel to begin w

[coral willow]

wait what the fuck

[cerulean ridge]

this looked familiar

[stone adder]

i work in questionable ways(i have no idea why)

[coral willow]

why are you here

[woeful ibex]

Fucking A

NICE

[stone adder]

i play the game
i like when my weapons are at least decent
i like being informed about said game i play

[coral willow]

hi

mk7 is a hybrid between the old shovi and a mk3 shovi with heavy swing pattern that is easy to use and a folding mechanism that can can crushers, but takes 2 hours to pull it out + does the swing diagonaly
your first tirget is kinda brucked but perk seems great, not sure about take a swing but mk7 has a great push attack that hits 1 target and goes for wp generally

uncanny is good

[cerulean ridge]

i mean crushers... yeah but that's what Kraks and Plasma is for

[coral willow]

if you dont use both folding shovels are a good pick

thrust uncanny mk3 shovel can oneshot crushers

[cerulean ridge]

tbh I could try swapping out flak for carapace, most flak enemies get deleted by the plasma gun. or the revolver if I'm feeling lucky

[coral willow]

use any autoguns really

[crimson pebble]

Frag grenade supremacy

[cerulean ridge]

I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong

[crimson pebble]

Say it isnt so

[cerulean ridge]

dunno tbh, Krak seemed just so damn obvious, never felt the need to try smoke or frag 🤔

[crimson pebble]

Frag stuns anything in its radious

Even monstrosities i think

[coral willow]

try frag

it doesnt stun uh the upped chaos spawn/ beast of nurgle

[woeful ibex]

I think right word is stagger

not stun lock

[coral willow]

also damn how much money you didnt spent on brunt's horrible gacha lol

[untold moth]

Brunt’s wouldn’t be so bad if you could choose the distribution and were only rolling for the number

[wraith lion]

Hey lads, what's the best perks on an Agripinaa (slug) shotgun

[untold moth]

Probably at least full bore

[wraith lion]

Not blessings, perks lmao

The small stat boosts

[untold moth]

Might be unyielding if it brings it to 1 tap reaper range

[wraith lion]

Mine rolled with 8.5% bonus reload and +8% ranged against elites lmao

I'm trying to salvage it until I can get a proper shotgun with melkbux

[untold moth]

Does that reload speed carry over to the special slug animation?

[wraith lion]

Iii think so? The slug was buffed by tactical reload

[untold moth]

I’d say, take it into the grinder and see if you are close to any 1 shot breakpoints on anything. And failing that, either flak/maniac/unarmored for the perk.

There are some odd times that 8% elites is worth using too, cause it will stack on with the 25%

Maniac is probably best to help with specials?

[hearty panther]

beans

[untold moth]

Which helbore do people like the most

[hearty panther]

probs the I

[hoary horizon]

Reload important

[hoary horizon]

MK 2. Bayonnet charge!

[coral willow]

reaper kinda always dies

i used elite/unyielding

cause every other special dies on the head

[torn glen]

Mk. I with Weight of Fire and Surgical

[somber axle]

That's pretty good imo also sorry for the late response only just woke up

Let me share the shovel page from the old guide for reference

She's a potential Crusher killer

Change Take a Swing to Thrust
Change Poxwalkers/Groaners to Carapace and you're good!

[stone adder]

Oh, awesome, thanks,
And leme save that image I'll need it

[somber axle]

The old guide is still in this channel's pins if you want to keep it for reference

But some of the info is old and out of date. The shovel page is still accurate to my knowledge though

The writer is Numbers Cat and they are nearly finished with a modern 2.0 version

I just ctrl+f search whatever weapon I want to double check with the guide since I have it on my computer and my phone to double check

[hearty panther]

man

maybe i shouldnt have taken 40mg of thc before going for groceries

ah well

these toaster strudels are gonna be bomb

gonna put lil smiley faces on em too

[coral willow]

god i hate the motion of mk3's H1

[queen quiver]

I’ve finally hit level 30 in all 4 classes. Even as a vet main I think vet is probably the weakest. What do yall think?

[north raptor]

most finicky

[hearty panther]

the opposite. vet is busted.

[coral willow]

vet isnt busted if you dont use his busted options

in which theres like 5 of them

[queen quiver]

What’s considered his busted options?

[coral willow]

frag and every nade talent, voc, iron will, free ogryn/elite/wp damage, plasma gun, power sword

[queen quiver]

Hmmmmm.

[serene bough]

main thing is VoC

[queen quiver]

Powerful knowledge, I’ll try it

Why? Like it’s good but why is it busted?

[serene bough]

its easy to spam and toughness overheal is incredibly potent

[coral willow]

no other talent stuns bosses, knocks down crushers on their ass, has a 20% cooldown node attached to it, gives golden toughness to act as overshield

[serene bough]

when paired with CD reduction + iron will you'll basically be unkillable

[somber axle]

Kinda nervous about playing a match with you tbh LOL but sure

poke me again when you're ready and I'm down to join for heretic hunting

I have some time today before work

[somber axle]

As weird as it sounds I don't think I know what the Mk III shovel's first heavy looks like. I have it but I also have an almost perfect Mk VII that can 1HKO Crushers so I haven't used the Mk III in my inventory much

oh

Brunt gives me hope

[north raptor]

if push comes to shove-l

[somber axle]

time to get another brick for the house I'm building

[north raptor]

you can rely on rashad

[serene bough]

will it brick

[north raptor]

yes

it needs 2 ideal rolls

[crimson pebble]

Brick alert

[north raptor]

i dont buy blues anymore

[serene bough]

i have so many mats at this point that i dont care what i blow them on lol

[north raptor]

well theyre just demoralizing experiences

theyre way likely to brick

[somber axle]

I'm out of plasteel again because of clown science LMFAO

I forgot about all the silliness I did last time I played

[serene bough]

after so many hours I dont even think abotu it anymore

[somber axle]

I will not know if it is a brick until later

I got a nice new Vraks VII though

delicious

[astral blade]

I’ve gotta say when it comes to auric maelstrom it helps to have teammates who know what they are doing

Also compared to damnation auric damnation is allot more fun

Hell managed to complete 3 auric maelstrom today and well it was fun but hard

[north raptor]

maelstrom has too many weird modifiers for me

feels less... organic

[astral blade]

The first time actually completed it auric maelstrom

Still those its quite the rush

Really makes ya think about ya build

[somber axle]

Azrael I'm going to run a match real quick

I want to test this new Vraks

[coral willow]

think of mk7 charge but after releasing the vet moves shovel like 30 degrees upwards to do a slanted sweep

[hearty panther]

see a doctor today and get tested for vraks. the life you save could be your own.

yea i actually detest the mkIII shovel

like the 13g chainsword its so close to having a sensible moveset that it frustrates

[coral willow]

mk3 is good

its fine

but i just odnt like the charge animation

they already had a slanting sweep charge motion as evidenced by mk7 shovel special heavy

its like they made a final change, forgot to attach some animations and said "yeah this is fine"

[snow cypress]

Hi guys,I'll start using voice of command but idk any good build

Which do you recomend?

[hearty panther]

voice of command. tactical awareness.

pair with a gun

[snow cypress]

any recommended melee weapon?

[charred dome]

become the poor man's krooba

[snow cypress]

Maybe power sword for hordes?

And idk which weapon to use

There are so many

[charred dome]

A friend of mine was using laspistol with rashaad

but apparently rashaad takes 5 years to get good rolls on because there's a lot of useless blessings

[hearty panther]

there's just one really good one and you can use any tier of it

[charred dome]

bruhmentum lol

[hearty panther]

tbh you can use w/e you want, experiment, find something you vibe with

[snow cypress]

Is Voice of Command + For the emperor a good combination?

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c0ad256-b487-47e6-bb05-14ff2a308a35/easy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[snow cypress]

oh thanks 😄

[charred dome]

I don't think I'd ever not use for the emperor

[snow cypress]

I wanna be a thoughness generator for my team

[charred dome]

tac awareness is literally right below it anyways

6s off cd on specialist kill

[snow cypress]

yeah

Maybe i choose Born leader

[charred dome]

this is what a friend of mine was using

[snow cypress]

oh I see

But I think I prefer being a Toughness generator

[charred dome]

Born leader is right there you can just pull off one point lol, but this was a crit build

[snow cypress]

ik ik

[sturdy zephyr]

I run this as major melee anti horde and decent againts specials(no ogryns/boss)

[charred dome]

he ran raking fire just to clobber monsters, it was dumb as hell

I still don't know if I want raking fire or dum dum though

[sturdy zephyr]

Ive use raking fire for my mk2 laspistol. Idk when i deal 40% more dmg.

[charred dome]

He takes it literally just to shit on mutants and monsters

mostly mutants though lol

[sturdy zephyr]

Dum dum with ghost im using now

[charred dome]

does this apply on melee too?

[torn glen]

Yes

same with the 30%

[charred dome]

Hell I might grab that

I'm already running bruhmentum so lol

[snow cypress]

Guys do you recommend choosing this one if I want to be a Toughness generator?

[torn glen]

makes bayonetting with the Helbore hit harder too

[sturdy zephyr]

I run crits now. Fast TTK imo for special but horde control decent

[charred dome]

No, it makes cd longer and the other modifier actually affects ally toughness

[sturdy zephyr]

I play this as medic vet.

[torn glen]

Not ideal since the -20% ability modifier on maelstroms makes a total of -70%

[sturdy zephyr]

Long cooldown so u cant use as often

[snow cypress]

I would like to do a build like that too

[torn glen]

Unless you're killing all the elites and getting ability cooldown regen, to counter balance the debuff

[snow cypress]

yeah,the longer CD is not worth it for what I want

[charred dome]

longer cd = you can't freely spam it which leads to you saving it for when you think someone might eat shit compared to just grabbing the other modifier and giving everyone free toughness every 30s ignoring any cd reductions

[sturdy zephyr]

Try out standard damn runs before going maelstorm

[charred dome]

merc shout in VT2 had the exact same issue with the revive modifier

you use that and you can't freely spam it, you're waiting on someone to go down

had a lot of other issues too but that's the main one

like how people that were revived wouldn't stagger enemies near them so they'd just instantly die before they could do anything lol

[torn glen]

If you want to be a toughness spamming support shouter. I would highly reccommend the extra coherancy radius talent. That makes you buff allies who are further away, it doesnt effect the range of the knockback, but it makes allies live longer when a bomber/gas/flamer/burster splits the group up

[snow cypress]

Maybe voice of command with Marksman or Close quarter killzon as they will get toughness and more damage

[charred dome]

I don't think they get the marksman buff

[snow cypress]

aw man

[charred dome]

same with close quarter

they literally just get the toughness

[snow cypress]

damm it

[charred dome]

I mean I'd still take it

those are fat fucking buffs to yourself

[snow cypress]

then is shit

[charred dome]

and you're going to be SPAMMING voice of command to begin with

literally free damage for half the match

My buddy running that shit would be drowning us in toughness and just shitting on crusher patrols with all the dmg buffs he'd get

[snow cypress]

And it would be more sniper stuff,no?

[charred dome]

wat?

he was using the axe lol

[snow cypress]

oh lol

But is more oriented to melee damage or to distance damage

[charred dome]

he'd swap to the laspistol to proc weapons specialist and so on

either

he'd clobber shit at any range

[snow cypress]

and you use laspistol?

[charred dome]

rashaad is already a very good weapon, you add on all the damage buffs and gg

he'd use this

and then no ammo on crits

so basically infinite ammo laspistol

biggest concern with this build is of course he's squishy as fuck but that's the nice thing about voice of command, free shout every 30s ignoring cd reductions to keep stuff off your ass

[snow cypress]

you're right

[sturdy zephyr]

Laspistol have basic 15% crit chance. So you can almost rampage all round pewpew.