veteran-class

[last parcel]

just use the creature spawner mod to stack 5 guys burgers and fries to kill in one or two shots

[midnight totem]

Let's put manstopper on boltguns

[coral willow]

autopistol has too shit of a supression to see lols

[last parcel]

flechette + infernus recons

[coral willow]

mmm

[somber axle]

I don't have the mod

[last parcel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/25

[somber axle]

put manstopper on Helbores

[tall torrent]

Use it then

[coral willow]

tbh

[tall torrent]

I think creature spawner is nice just for practice

[coral willow]

manstopper on kickback would be realllllly funny

[midnight totem]

Monkey paws only on helbore 3s

[somber axle]

I'd take it

[coral willow]

tbh hellbore 3 is fine

just ignore the special thing

[somber axle]

Surgical + Manstopper would be HILARIOUS

[midnight totem]

See that line of crushers?

I want it gone

[somber axle]

I don't need Weight of Fire if my single shot wipes the entire lined up squad of gunners walking through a spawn door

LMFAO

[coral willow]

"worse plasma"

[somber axle]

Crushers too ohmygosh

[tall torrent]

1v6 crusher is useful practice

I think most useful practice are 1v1 chaos spawn and 1v6 scab rager tho

[hearty panther]

make a helbore mkiv. it can't shoot but it has two bayonets.

[coral willow]

just please give a hellbore to zealot

i dont care if its gonna be mk3 i will use it even for the memes

[midnight totem]

No

[somber axle]

If Helbore Mk III had Manstopper it'd be an objectively better version of Plasma in my eyes. Slower fire rate but infinite ammo. Have you seen a Surgical Helbore with Shocktrooper? They just never stop shooting. Ever.

[midnight totem]

Zealots don't deserve good things

[coral willow]

i have seen it but you have to throw out weight of fire

[coral willow]

we getting 2h power sword on this one boys

[somber axle]

I'm down to lose weight

I go to the gym anyway

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-maul-light-saber-gif-14034779

[hearty panther]

that's fine weight of fire is really just filler

[coral willow]

on mk3 itsgood

but on mk2 probably take infernus lmfao

[somber axle]

Helbore's biggest sin is the blessings are all kinda eh other than Surgical

Weight of Fire is the best compared to any of the other blessings

there's not really any competition

[hearty panther]

if they gave us basically any other blessings WoF would immediately come off for me

[somber axle]

the other Helbore blessings are just not worth grabbing

[coral willow]

i take infernus if they give infernus

[midnight totem]

Really at some point a helbore is a spear with a lasgun on it

[hearty panther]

it has infernus but it is not good for helbore

[coral willow]

also still no respite still the only ever damage blessing the spear part gets

[somber axle]

I usually love Infernus but not for Helbores. Helbores are designed for killing a target in 1-3 shots. You're either insta-killing a target or Infernus isn't getting to max stacks to tick for much damage on anything other than a Burgle, Plogryn, Chaos Spawn, Daemonhost or Traitor Captain

Even a Mk II can get more use out of Weight of Fire than Infernus IV imo

[midnight totem]

If infernus worked on bayonet stabs

[coral willow]

idk why but i hit my dopamine when i see my eneies fell with a firey shot

[midnight totem]

FLAMING BAYONET MEMES

[coral willow]

oh god dammit

[somber axle]

if Infernus worked on bayonet stabs it would be hilarious LOL

[coral willow]

flaming bayonet would be real funnny

[somber axle]

I'd take it just because it's goofy

[coral willow]

i'd use that constantly

and beg for it to be on zealot

[shadow aurora]

I was wondering what hadron did

[somber axle]

is it doing any damage? no but it IS setting the target on fire when I stab them so

[last parcel]

combine that with serrated blade

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-its-perfect-its-perfect-perfect-100-fire-gif-14530049

[somber axle]

stab a target and they feel the full wrath of the emperor

[coral willow]

i wish zealot got a good ranged weapon that has a melee

outside of headhunter autoguns

i use that fuck you

[midnight totem]

"I wish I could use the Emperor's Sword"

[shadow aurora]

Need a chainbayonet

[midnight totem]

The Emperor's Sword at home: infernus, serrated bayonet

[coral willow]

id take a stick at this point

or a throwing spear

[last parcel]

stick my nuts in your mouth lmao

[midnight totem]

I asked for hunter lances

But people are like "you need to ride a horse though!"

[last parcel]

ride the ogryn

[midnight totem]

They lack vision

[somber axle]

ok

I think I did the revolver reload speed finally

and I think it bugged out because like

my computer stuttered

LOL

but I got it on recording so one sec

[midnight totem]

Clown science too strong

[shadow aurora]

[somber axle]

to give you context I am a clown and experiment with silly things

I recently did a max reload speed build for laspistol with speedload blessing and reload speed perk

for what I think is the fastest possible reload in the game

I believe now I was in error

zarona revolver may be faster

https://gyazo.com/6691bb280343b9ea751702ed63ead013

the game couldn't even figure out what was happening when I tried to reload LMFAO

[coral willow]

i want one

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-gif-24457079

Flawless game

[somber axle]

the game was not meant to be pushed to these limits by a clown

let me try a computer restart and attempt the test again to make sure it isn't anything on my end

maybe then I'll get a smooth recording of revolver with max reload speed

it's not actually max reload speed because my zarona only has 78% reload speed, not a perfect 80%

there's like a 2% faster difference that might shave off like

a frame??

maybe

[hearty panther]

yknow thats something they could do for the agrip revo

i always thought it silly it got the reload speed mod

could just replace that with a different bar

ammo perhaps

stopping power would be big

[shadow aurora]

Now that im thinking, what would the next revolver reload like

[hearty panther]

barrel-fed

gotta push each round straight down all the way to the cylinder and then cock

[shadow aurora]

Belt fed

[gilded rock]

running this with Columnus V and chainsword

Debating taking off the weakspot path for agile engagement

Thoughts?

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-revolver-ocelot-snake-metal-gear-gif-20687679

[hearty panther]

you have nothing to lose if you break the survivalist chains

and everything to gain ~except ammo~

[gilded rock]

LOL yeah true

[shadow aurora]

Yeah you lose so many points for taking surv

Lose it

[gilded rock]

Debating damage aura then

Still need to be there for demo stockpile anyway and that helps offput the ammo loss

[hearty panther]

thats how i would do

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-revolver-reload-gif-18734935

just wait until you see the double barrel shotgun reload though

https://tenor.com/view/extended-mag-shotgun-gaming-reload-gif-21067761

[hearty panther]

does it have to be so erotic

[somber axle]

idk I'm not seeing it as erotic

like

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-19389738

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/garand-gun-reload-ww2-cod-gif-15394590

[last parcel]

it feels like ripping out crab meat

[somber axle]

tbh I just like garand ping

[coral willow]

how godo is low prof

[somber axle]

both bolt action and lever action are both very fun reloads too

I hope we get either of those

a bolt action rifle or lever action rifle would be neat

https://tenor.com/view/army-of-darkness-evil-dead-names-ash-housewares-shotgun-gif-13757341

[shadow aurora]

On the topic of guns, yall ever think we'll get a minigun for og or vet?

[hearty panther]

probs the top pick

[somber axle]

don't we already have the twinstubber on Ogryn

[coral willow]

i alwayse use the other 3

[somber axle]

I don't know guns very well so I don't know the difference between the stubbers and a minigun

[shadow aurora]

It fires fast, but a minigun would be way way faster

The only issue is is that when i search up minigun 40k the only reference i can find is for space marines

[gilded rock]

Thanks

[shadow aurora]

So i dont know if theyd let us have it

[coral willow]

real life or gaming?

[coral willow]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Rotor_Cannon

[hearty panther]

the damage is fine but it is only 5s, there's usually a better option to click on in the tree. 10s of 50% TDR < 10s of psuedo-stealth

the extra charge is to taste

reasonable downside, good upside, not at all necessary, tactical awareness still does all the heavy lifting in the end

[shadow aurora]

Oh nice

So now we just need to pester them on the forums

[somber axle]

both

[coral willow]

the pseudo stelf doesnt seem to work when im right up in their face meleeing so i dont use it

[somber axle]

the only reason I know anything at all about guns is because I've played Fallout, Medal of Honour, Battlefield and Project Zomboid

I've never touched a gun irl

[shadow aurora]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vfRpiem7yps&pp=ygUOZmlyaW5nIG1pbmlndW4%3D

[somber axle]

my knowledge is exclusively from video games and I don't think any of it is accurate LOL

[coral willow]

minigun uses multi-barrels, but they dont fire them all out at once
basically everytime it fires it changes to the next barrel so that the barrel wouldnt overheat as quick

[somber axle]

Ah ok that makes sense

[hearty panther]

it's working on everyone else is the thing

you aggro precisely only what you attack

[coral willow]

hm.

[hearty panther]

so not getting attacked at all is much better than 50% damage reduction

[coral willow]

it still felt like they all came after me so which is why i never really used it

[somber axle]

ok I finally got it

if it embeds LOL

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-digital-circus-meme-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-laugh-gif-5848068164433956529

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-embed-failure-epic-embed-fail-double-embed-fail-gif-23538127

[somber axle]

just going to send the video file instead because the link is broken and idk why

[coral willow]

so firing mechanism is only 1, but the barrel spins in front of it to make the barrel not overheat
twin-linked, or putting the gun next to another gun, basically doubles the firing mechanism

there are certain autocannons that use each barrel's gas pressure to chamber the other barrel

but most of the time its just strap 2 guns next to eachother

[umbral scaffold]

does grenade tinkerer for krak grendade hit any important breakpoints

[north raptor]

wtf is this

[shadow aurora]

I think crushers?

Can someone fact check me on that

[coral willow]

bulwarks if you dont take ogryn damage +20% thing

(you should)

[umbral scaffold]

oki

idk where that is im completely new to vet

[shadow aurora]

Bottom middle

[unique orchid]

OH thats why my kraks havent been popping bulwarks

[umbral scaffold]

ty

[coral willow]

it used to until yknow

they got megabuffed

and nerfed

[somber axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_8XkDBB9tE

this guy does fun reload animations

[coral willow]

he does reload animations for titanfall before i think

and apex

[shadow aurora]

This makes me wonder why ogryns dont just chuck there magazines

Because now that i think about it

[shadow aurora]

And empty ripper mag might as well be a rock to them

[shadow aurora]

Thanks

[somber axle]

probably because the commissar would be mad and they don't want to make the boss mad LOL

[shadow aurora]

I meant after they empty them

[coral willow]

voidsmen posing with a rotor cannon

[somber axle]

yeah the officers would probably still be mad

https://tenor.com/view/gun-bullet-reload-magazine-gif-16502577

[shadow aurora]

I dont think are rejects collect there empty mags

[somber axle]

it will be harder to send the empty magazines back to be fed again after a fight if they're broken and dented from smashing into a heretic's helmet and skull at light speed

[shadow aurora]

Too much to carry through the mission

[coral willow]

hadron will kill them if they dont get back their lasgun batteries

[somber axle]

but if you carried it in, why is it too much to carry out?

[shadow aurora]

You collect more ammo as you go through the mission

[hearty panther]

i leave my mags behind so that they can be reclaimed by the environment so that future strike teams can harvest the bountiful crop of bullet trees i have left for them

[somber axle]

I know the rejects scavenge ammo but I like to imagine lasguns just never really run dry and just need time to cool down

I had to google it just now but like

50,000 shots??

there's no way you're running through THAT many lasgun shots LOL

[shadow aurora]

Las mags can recharge via the sun and fire

DONT throw them away

[coral willow]

and just fire

[somber axle]

for autoguns though yeah

[coral willow]

or in your palm

[somber axle]

gotta steal spare mags from heretics

[hearty panther]

the butthole, nature's lasgun battery recharger

[coral willow]

shit literally ignores the 2nd law of thermodynamics

if we had lasguns im buying the mags for batteries

[somber axle]

these two comments are perfectly timed

[gilded rock]

love hyper

[shadow aurora]

Something something humans have a lesser version of the orks powers theory something something

Just future tech dw bout it

[terse idol]

Weall yeag but

You don't want to charge them via a fire

Your extended warranty gets void

[coral willow]

they can explode!

[terse idol]

That too!

[shadow aurora]

Was more saying that as a testament to how bullshit cheap las shots are

[coral willow]

tbh just lasgun batteries being exploding into what is a meltabomb level of explosion just by chucking a fully charged mag at somebody

[shadow aurora]

But yeah

Thats last resort

[coral willow]

if the mechanicus didnt kill you for sacrificing the machine spirit inside the magazine it'd be pretty useful

[somber axle]

ok

Agripina Revolver reload speed test is going to be harder

the shots don't penetrate so I have to actually aim LOL

[coral willow]

and speedload cannot be proc'd without emptying the mag and emptying the mag lets void one of the 20% reload speed

probably the easiest one to constantly proc is like speedload braced agrapina autogun

[hearty panther]

i want onion rings

[somber axle]

yeah it's literally impossible to get both 5 stack speedload and tactical reload for having shots still left in the gun for reload

but tactical reload is +25% reload speed

[hearty panther]

I SAID I WANT ONNY RINGS

[somber axle]

so 4 stack speedload + tactical reload would be the fastest possible for agripina revolver

[hearty panther]

why am i not being fed by hand whilst i lounge upon my chaise

this universe sucks

[somber axle]

my S.O. is coming to Vegas soon and I kinda want to do that for them now LOL

maybe not onion rings but like

the thought sounds really nice

[hearty panther]

fresh onion rings

straight off the vine

[shadow aurora]

Why cant i have a million dollars this shit aint FAIR😭😭

[hearty panther]

for real for real. for real for real.

[somber axle]

ok recorded the agripina revolver reload speed clown science at last

did it with both 4 stack speedload + tactical reload and a seperate test for 5 stack speedload

[coral willow]

go record agrapina braced

deathspitter speedload and both reload talents

[somber axle]

this test actually did use a maxed out 80% reload speed agripina revolver too

[gilded rock]

I love sniper friendly fire

[gilded rock]

One of my favorite sillies on this game

[somber axle]

made specifically for this challenge

[coral willow]

when can we get a longlas

and a boltaction

[somber axle]

do the braced autoguns have fast animations?

I thought they were slow

[coral willow]

yknow whats probably sad about longlas/boltaction, like it has even less room for variants making its blessing farm atrocious

[last parcel]

i probably should've found a consistent starting point but fuck science

[coral willow]

speedload works as speedload and large mag size basically means you got the needed buffs before reloading

[somber axle]

NICE

Laspistol#1

[coral willow]

i actually use 2 reload talents and a deathspitter/firefrenzy agrapina braced

its really fast

[somber axle]

yeah but like reducing a 2 sec reload by 40% is shaving .8 seconds off to get it down to 1.2 seconds

vs

reducing a 1 sec reload by 40% is shaving off .4 seconds to get it down to 0.6 seconds

like the first is getting more benefit but will never be faster than the second

even with max benefit

if you get 50% off the 2 sec reload you've just matched the 1 sec reload

[coral willow]

not if you can get 100% reload isnt it?

[somber axle]

while getting 50% reload off 1 sec is dropping it down to 0.5 sec

[somber axle]

that's a funny thought but not possible in the game LOL

[coral willow]

special kill 30%, rounds in mag 25%, speedload 50%

[last parcel]

if i missed a reload talent here i'm gonna eat someone's dog

[coral willow]

unless they are multiplicative

[somber axle]

you did but it's just a 5% reload node between surv aura and exe stance LOL

so don't worry about it

[last parcel]

i got that

[somber axle]

oh I'm blind

LOL

[coral willow]

damn

[somber axle]

ignore me

then yeah that's all of it

[coral willow]

how fast does braced reload with that

[somber axle]

Tactical Reload
Volley Adept
Fleeting Fire
+5% reload speed node

[gilded rock]

The voices

[somber axle]

those are the only reload speed talents you can pick up

[somber axle]

I'll add it to the list but it's lunch time now

[coral willow]

good cause its 4am for me

[north raptor]

we got a puppy do you want him

[coral willow]

aw.

[somber axle]

LOL

I think that's less than a 1 sec reload time

still pretty solid

[coral willow]

its so fun to exec stance that and bow down everything

[north raptor]

did you put reload speed on gun

[last parcel]

all these clips have reload speed and speedload

[north raptor]

blue stim?

[last parcel]

doing it without first

blue stim comes 2029

[tall torrent]

[last parcel]

tried to line up the starts as much as i could and looks like it saves one frame in the editor

[north raptor]

thats not reloading, that's a gun having a seizure or channeling its inner skaven.

[last parcel]

quarter speed

[north raptor]

why is there a top and bottom

which is which

bc theyre identical

[last parcel]

you can see the blue stim effect on top

[hearty panther]

onion rings

[last parcel]

onion rings

[hearty panther]

nom

[north raptor]

eldonion rings

[somber axle]

ok maybe 0.1 sec reload speed is possible with laspistol LMFAO

[old socket]

is there any ideal map for armourbane penance ?

anything but Auric difficulty

[north raptor]

scab only modifier maybe

but thats a tedious one

[old socket]

group of scab mauler or rager are usually jackpot but I don't encounter them often even on high intensity damnation

[tall torrent]

You throw krak into scab shooters & horde

Scab bruisers, scab stalkers, scab shooters

[tacit sonnet]

https://i.imgur.com/bzoxBVg.png

What do I change?

[somber axle]

Reassuringly Accurate to Dum Dum
Ranged Critical Hit Damage to Elite or Maniac

I'm personally not a fan of Ghost but Numbers Cat swears by it so I recommend you keep it

You can just ignore squads of shotgunners in front of you if you can keep clicking heads

if you're doing a Deadshot build with Duck and Dive, Ghost DOES proc Duck and Dive to restore stam for more Deadshot while firing

so it has value there

even if you're not doing Deadshot/Duck and Dive it still helps immensely for being able to ignore enemy fire while shooting

[fervent quiver]

does the plasma gun not explody anymore?

[somber axle]

it does but only on charged shots

uncharged shots do not explode

[fervent quiver]

shame

[somber axle]

you just auto-vent heat

I'm sad that the explode on uncharged shots is gone too

they should have left that in

removing the HP damage on vent was already enough

[fervent quiver]

damn the technopriests and their insistence on making stuff safer

[somber axle]

and with how the meta revolves around spamming uncharged shots it'd be so funny to see plasma vets exploding every match

[fervent quiver]

they need to give us an older plasmagun varient

[dreamy spade]

Every vet I've played with whos uses long range guns or the the first 2 keystones do fuck all for the team

[somber axle]

I think part of that is the funny way the ai director messes with the group composition

[tacit sonnet]

can I also get a build for this weapon? Preferably with the right tree path

[tall torrent]

Crit dmg -> maniac
Reassuringly accurate -> dum dum

[tacit sonnet]

ok

[somber axle]

Melee classes are in the frontline fighting elites and more often meet the gunner squads first

Ranged classes are in the backline but keep getting caught by random horde spawns sneaking in behind

So the melee player is wondering why the ranged player isn't taking care of the ranged elites

And the ranged player is wondering why the melee player has run off to let them fight the horde solo

Bonus points for mixed horde

[tacit sonnet]

But what talents do I choose

[somber axle]

When ragers, maulers and crushers sneak in from behind on the backline players

[tall torrent]

What penances are u doing

[tacit sonnet]

all of them

[tall torrent]

.

Be a little more specific

Which blitz, aura, ability & keystone are u using

For this build

[tacit sonnet]

I guess I start with the penances related to the right part of the three

infiltrate

[somber axle]

Start running Krak on any and every build early and throw them at any armour to get it out of the way while farming others

Smoke grenade penance is comparatively easy to do and doesn't take long

[tacit sonnet]

There are penances with other blitz abilities

I'll do all of them, but I still want a working build to play with

[tall torrent]

And?

Blitz, aura, keystone?

[tacit sonnet]

Just right part of the tree

[tall torrent]

Yea, which blitz, aura and keystone???

[somber axle]

Sounds like a Weapon Specialist crit weak spot kill grind is incoming then

[tacit sonnet]

Or infiltrate, close and kill and weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

Which blitz?

[tacit sonnet]

Smoke?

[somber axle]

Ooo smoke and infiltrate will give you the cool camo cosmetics if you get them both done first

[last parcel]

right side

[tacit sonnet]

I said right part of the tree, I meant very literally right part of the tree

[tall torrent]

Was it really that hard to tell which blitz, aura, ability & keystone u wanted

[somber axle]

if they're new to the class they may not know the terms you speak of

and may be unfamiliar with what the class has

[somber axle]

OH ALSO

for smoke grenade penance

remember that you can suppress groaners

but NOT poxwalkers

this works for infiltrate penance too

stinky maggot zombies can't be suppressed for the penance

but the slightly more alive humans that scream "HELP ME!" as they swing weapons at you do

very easy to get both done just stealthing into crowds and dropping smoke at your feet

[tacit sonnet]

Well, I said right part of the tree. And everything I named was in the right part of the tree. Sorry, I thought that would be more obvious.

[somber axle]

just make sure the horde is wearing clothes when you do

if they have t shirts they're good

if they're playing the skins side of shirts vs skins then no infiltrate or smokes

[tacit sonnet]

are weapon specialist modifiers really that bad?

[dreamy spade]

The first left is amazing for revolver

I use middle of toughness regen too

[tacit sonnet]

ok, they are pretty bad

is grenade tinkerer ever good with smokes? 30 second smoke grenades sounds pretty good

[somber axle]

yes

it is very good with grenade tinkerer

the uptime gets crazy

but for just general penance farming it's unnecessary

with grenade tinkerer and demolitions stockpile you can get 2 minutes and 30 seconds of constant smoke in one location

[tacit sonnet]

wait, that means if I get demo stockpile, I get a grenade while the second one is still up

[somber axle]

yes

[dreamy spade]

I think smokes should do the opposite of poxgas to make them viable

[tacit sonnet]

I thought smokes are really good

They make you immune to ranged fire for 15/30 seconds

[dreamy spade]

Not really

[tacit sonnet]

thanks for the help

[shadow aurora]

Thats... not true

You basically cant be touched by ranged fire in them

Enemies get dementia

[hearty panther]

no you can

bullets still hurt

they just dont track you anymore

and anything that hadnt already tracked you cannot track

[shadow aurora]

Yeah ik i wasnt being literal

[hearty panther]

its not like

ghost

[shadow aurora]

Wait

I said literally

FUCK

Meant to say basically

[dreamy spade]

You can always be tracked #veteran-class message

[shadow aurora]

2 bars atm

What happens

[dreamy spade]

The game doesn't work

As usual

[elder fiber]

Smokes take time to come out its not instant lol

[tall torrent]

just not necessary for laspistol

unless u play knife then I'd consider invigorated + on your toes

[terse idol]

I mean

You didn't dodge

When you infil

[last parcel]

[terse idol]

[shadow aurora]

I see youre using infil id recommend changing it. Smokes dont compliment stealth that much

[terse idol]

Okay let's break down the clip

You're getting hammered by range

[shadow aurora]

Weirdly enough smoke is best on ex stance

[terse idol]

You have a grenade in your hand

You haven't dodged yet

You pop infil

You haven't dodged yet

Die

[tacit sonnet]

what

[dreamy spade]

Yeah for smoke always use stance, doesn't mean it isnt shit

[tacit sonnet]

It took like 5 minues to do keep it tight

[hearty panther]

yea they kinda are on the wrong sides

[tacit sonnet]

run 10000 meters with close and kill

[last parcel]

yes

[fervent quiver]

stealth smoke boi here

[hearty panther]

idk what that clip was meant to prove/add

you didnt even have the smoke pop before you died

its just you, brutally out of position, dying to machine gun fire

[last parcel]

which means the game sucks

[hearty panther]

"Smoke grenades did this to me!"

[dreamy spade]

Never said that

[hearty panther]

but you put it into this conversation

presumably with a purpose

submitting it as some sort of evidence

but its not ... like it's nothing lmao

[dreamy spade]

Evidence that you can still be tracked regardless yes

[hearty panther]

the smoke didnt even pop dude

this is just you dying

[dreamy spade]

It wasn't a smoke dude

[hearty panther]

oh so it really is just a clip of you dying

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[hearty panther]

omnion rings

a small is too few, a large is too many

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/onion-rings-snacks-frying-friend-onion-rings-gif-3388109

[hearty panther]

curse this foul existence

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-gif-20289690

[hearty panther]

i will never forget going on a first date with 'some girl'

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-feel-safe-inside-your-house-gif-23597393

[hearty panther]

she would crack her onion rings and pull the onion out and just

eat the deep fry

[last parcel]

[hearty panther]

unfathomable energy

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma985-jerma-jumpscare-jerma985jumpscare-jeremy-elbertson-gif-25767964

[tacit sonnet]

How does ranged weapon specialist work?

Do I get 33% crit chance per stack, up to 333% crit chance?

[shadow aurora]

No

[tacit sonnet]

Or do I get 33% crit chance for 1 shot, up to 10 shots

[junior needle]

You get that much crit chance for one shot per stack

It becomes redundant past 3

[tacit sonnet]

what

I don't understand

[junior needle]

Because you will have 99% crit chance from ws alone

[shadow aurora]

Going above 100% doesnt do anything

[junior needle]

Yep

[shadow aurora]

Not like wf no orange and red crits unfortunately

[junior needle]

And you have a base amount of crit from your class

[tacit sonnet]

So I get 100% crit chance for 5 seconds?

[junior needle]

For your next shot

While the buff lasts

[tacit sonnet]

wait

Like

Just one?

[shadow aurora]

You want to use heavy hitting weapons like helbore revolver and shit like that

[tacit sonnet]

I don't understand

[junior needle]

The ranged attack speed lasts

The crit chance is only on your next shot

[tacit sonnet]

Do I get this crit chance for a single and only one shot

[junior needle]

Yes

[tacit sonnet]

and that's it

[junior needle]

Yep

[tacit sonnet]

well, this fucking sucks

[shadow aurora]

Its alright

Not great

[junior needle]

Most useful on revolver and plasma

Weapons with quick swaps and instant target obliterations

The primary benefit is the melee/dodge boost

[orchid hemlock]

what counts as "armoured"?

[hearty panther]

does it have arms?

[umbral garnet]

The stuff it sticks to.

Carapace, flak.

[orchid hemlock]

what is the fastest way to do this penance?

[umbral garnet]

There is not fast way.

[orchid hemlock]

just go full grenade capacity?

[umbral garnet]

Unless you wanna grind out melee only malestroms.

[somber axle]

that last match was so weird

[umbral garnet]

With like 50 crushers and maulers at any given time.

[somber axle]

oh like anything with flak or carapace

Reapers, Crushers, Bulwarks, Maulers, Flak Ragers
this also includes Scab Bruisers and Dreg Bruisers

keep in mind that Krak grenades ALWAYS get a tracking magnetism toward carapace

so if you try to throw it into a crowd of flak ragers but there's a mauler in the back and the arc of the throw goes high

[junior needle]

Grenade regen primarily

[somber axle]

it will suddenly dart into the Mauler's head

[junior needle]

But capacity also helps

[orchid hemlock]

im rdy

[umbral garnet]

Twinned might help.

[somber axle]

throw it into large hordes of dreg brusiers/scab bruisers

alternatively just throw it at anything that looks like it is wearing armour

I forgot to add it to the list but

Reapers count too

oh wait

no I didn't forget

I forgot that I remembered

[orchid hemlock]

i got it too

[somber axle]

ok hear me out

do you want to be an absolute bastard?

if you're ok with that

grab field improvisation

hoard the first ammo crate you see

[somber axle]

ammo crates will now restore grenades to full

take all 4 hits off that ammo crate and know the entire group will hate you

but you will have 3 kraks + 12 more kraks

from full grenade reserve and hitting the ammo crate every time you run out of kraks

a reminder that your group will hate you for this

[north raptor]

you wont have the targets to make that work

but yes they will hate u

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-dogo-smile-cute-gif-16039989

anyway that last match was so weird because in a team of 3 Vets, 1 Psyker

somehow gunner squads were a problem LMFAO

I went full melee Vet Catachan Tac Axe gameplay

laspistol was my sidearm

The other Vets had Kantrael Lasrifles

I regretted not bringing a Kantrael Mk IV

and immediately after

Brunt sells me this

I know Infernus is going to look goofy on this but I love Infernus and I don't mind looking more like a clown

[junior needle]

Infernus is not a good pickup on it with dots no longer applying onslaught

Which I am very sad about

It was a very niche tech I enjoyed to make it somewhat useful

[north raptor]

it does make enemies all orange tho

[somber axle]

It's mostly just for the funny visual effect on a Kantrael Mk IV tbh

I have one with Ghost and Between the Eyes just because I wanted to actually feel how the weapon performs vs a Headhunter/Deadly Accurate variant and like BtE might be a skill issue on my part but once gunners start their volley it becomes very tricky to maintain the suppression

so this version will at least do slightly better damage than the Ghost/Between the Eyes version

even if that slightly is hardly noticeable

other than setting things on fire

they should allow Infernus stacks to cap at 16 instead

[hearty panther]

i do ghost/da for mine

i was also doing bte/ghost for a while but honestly

the node is just better, obviously

and it frees up the slot

[tall torrent]

Why DA without headhunter

[hearty panther]

Reciprocity is my headhunter

and id never ditch ghost

[somber axle]

Yeah I'd rather have the blessing slot open vs the 1 free talent point from not taking suppression immunity tbh

[hearty panther]

thing takes way too long to kill a reaper

but i can take all the time i want with ghost

your boolets do not even tickle me

zey do nothing!

[north raptor]

do you actually… kill thingz?

like random specials and shit

[hearty panther]

all the time. i love murder.

[north raptor]

id love to take ghost but i feel like lasgun struggles so much witbout headshots all the time

like im@forced for the weakspit modifiers

[hearty panther]

well thats cause you kinda are

[north raptor]

but you arent

youre running ghost

[hearty panther]

the difference in BTK/TTK in body vs. headshotting just a scab stalker

is like 10 vs. 2

(bullets)

[north raptor]

i know

[hearty panther]

there's plenty of damage in the gun already

[north raptor]

so what is it with ghost

[hearty panther]

not per shot but in volume

oh, because even if you gigajuice the gun

for supposed maximum DPS

you will still be standing in place

for up to four seconds

plinking at one or two gunners

[junior needle]

Ghost is survivability + deadshot/dnd shenanigans if you opt for it

[hearty panther]

with ghost you dont have to give a shit

just land that headshot

[north raptor]

do they still die in 1-2?

[hearty panther]

it makes getting the kill easier than just what a raw damage boost would provide

with marksman focus i was occasionally getting two shot kills in gunners

[north raptor]

oof

[hearty panther]

but three was more common, and seven or eight was also possible

[tall torrent]

Ghost gets activated by headshots which prevents you from getting shot

[north raptor]

i know

ffs i just want a sense if ttk running ghost

[tall torrent]

On MG4 it’s 2~3 shots to kill gunners in the head

[hearty panther]

still slow, is the answer, really

[tall torrent]

Usually

[hearty panther]

but it's safe

which makes it faster

[tall torrent]

DA is still 2~3

Because MG4 just doesn’t have the best dmg scaling

I just don’t think DA is that relevant for infantry Lasguns personally

[hearty panther]

nothing else to put on it -shrug-

[junior needle]

Use the loadout config mod

[hearty panther]

wish it had dumdum

on psyker i do no respite for Smite shenanigans

[tall torrent]

Honestly, I’d rather juice crit chance if there’s no direct dmg boost blessing

HH + Ghost is what I’d go with

[junior needle]

Probably not going to happen on a gun with inverted falloff

Unless they just do a redesign of the line

[hearty panther]

well the one time i had recording of MGIV with HH i noticed it spent 90% of the match stacking 1-2 times before being consumed

[junior needle]

Which I would be for

[somber axle]

Headhunter + Infernus

[hearty panther]

so that really turned me off of it

[tall torrent]

What’s wrong with that

[junior needle]

20-40% crit chance

is gud

[hearty panther]

cause running just infernus also showed me that the effective crit rate is about the same, one every three-five shots

with obvious unlucky periods

[tall torrent]

Huh

[hearty panther]

but it didnt wow me anymore

[tall torrent]

I mean, u’d pick headhunter for better crit consistency across a whole game

[hearty panther]

like i would take surgical instead, if i could. actually now that i say that i wouldnt lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s not a reliable “force crit at this exact moment” blessing

[hearty panther]

yea but thats my bias

on a slower weapon i get it but you just mash left click and results happen eventually

and a crit isnt strong enough to make a dramatic difference on TTK ... unless you have DA

but again, i refuse to pass up ghost

[tall torrent]

Just go ghost + BTE then ig

[hearty panther]

that just goes back to where i was before

[tall torrent]

Zero reliance on talents

[hearty panther]

node immunity is much better

always up

[tall torrent]

Hm

[somber axle]

ok but when I run Kantrael Mk IV with Exe Stance I can 1HKO both Gunners without DA

but like no one wants to run Exe Stance

[hearty panther]

and makes getting that headshot so much easier

[junior needle]

Because it suggs

[tall torrent]

With turbo dmg juice, yea

[somber axle]

idk 1HKOs on gunners sounds pretty good to me

I'm clearing gunner squads much faster than you even if you manage to get all your headshots perfectly

[junior needle]

The ability suggs

[somber axle]

it's not even turbo tbh

[tall torrent]

What’s the exact set-up

[somber axle]

gimme a sec to share

[junior needle]

Unsheathes kickback

[hearty panther]

i really do love the downright absurd ammo reserves the MGIV gets

[somber axle]

you have a sheathe for it??

[north raptor]

lasgun samurai

[junior needle]

Where else am I gonna put it when I have me stabbin knife out?

[somber axle]

between your teeth

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-sword-trick-one-piece-anime-gif-17235716

[junior needle]

Too girthy

[somber axle]

just bite the stock

[junior needle]

Hadron says that's heresy

[north raptor]

[north raptor]

the dental care for this guy

[tall torrent]

Where is it

I think with exe stance + marksman + MF + superiority + rending you could?

[north raptor]

he’s making a clip i bet

[tall torrent]

But that’s a pretty insane level of investment to reach those breakpoints

[north raptor]

does anyone use MF for anything

[hearty panther]

to finish the penance

[north raptor]

yea…

[hearty panther]

yea

[tall torrent]

It’s ok for a few guns

[hearty panther]

i will say. i did not hate it after a while.

[somber axle]

No I didn't need the rending LMFAO

also embedding is extra weird today on discord

lemme send the video instead of the link

[tall torrent]

Yea it takes marksman

[tall torrent]

Ok now

Take Killzone off

[somber axle]

do you consider that super juicing? I'm not even using FtE, CQKZ, Fire Team

[tall torrent]

And see if u can still hit this breakpoint

Or, how many MF stacks it takes

[somber axle]

I can juice this way harder

I can start testing to see the exact number of stacks to get 1HKO territory though

[tall torrent]

If it’s a tree that takes away melee spec almost entirely, I consider that turbo juice

[somber axle]

CLOWN SCIENCE BEFORE WORK

I have some time

[hearty panther]

stop juicing yourself in public

[somber axle]

wdym I do that all the time

you should see my Helbore build

it's sillier than this

[tall torrent]

Yea, your builds are just to juice up 1 gun

[somber axle]

why should I put anymore points into melee when I don't need them?

[hearty panther]

nobody approaches the clown nose

[somber axle]

yeah I can get the 10% melee node and the 5% melee node

ok but like why would I want them

if they're not for a breakpoint?

Desperado gives me 2HKO Knife on my Recon build with Exe Stance

against Crushers

[tall torrent]

Test it without Killzone

And see how many MF stacks u need

[junior needle]

Takes team highlighting but not shooter highlighting

[somber axle]

ok lemme swap the points around

[hearty panther]

i know for me personally i need an EXCEPTIONAL self-justification to not build on Agile Engagement

completely ridiculous node

[somber axle]

LMFAO ok you're right I should do that and then get CD stim just to make Zealots upset I exist

[hearty panther]

goes with all the shit i do, usually

[umbral scaffold]

does veteran have any must pick talents

[somber axle]

I don't like Agile Engagement if I'm going backline shooter and if I'm doing Exe Stance on anything not a Recon I tend to be providing fire support not running into melee with my gun

[hearty panther]

we are polar opposites

[north raptor]

somehow i never run the right weapons for agile

[tall torrent]

Plasma & agripinaa shotgun

[somber axle]

I'm hyper aggressive in the frontline with my Recon

[tall torrent]

May not afford

[somber axle]

and with laspistols

[tall torrent]

Since survivalist pathing

[somber axle]

just not infantry lasguns

or helbores

[hearty panther]

i was thinking about this when you asked earlier and honestly, no, not 'singular'. i think the only 'must' is having a source of grenade regen, but you have options for that

[umbral scaffold]

alright cool

[tall torrent]

Yea
Grenade regen

[somber axle]

Can you really call this juice when I'm not even going ultra mode on juice or sacrificing utility? I'm just not grabbing desperado LOL

[tall torrent]

Zero grenade regen is trolling

[tall torrent]

Yea

[hearty panther]

vet has some super strong nodes that I think are mandatory for myself but opinions arent uniform there, at least not in the way it is with zealot and TWBS

[somber axle]

This isn't even 15 stack or rending, no For the Emperor, no Fire Team, no Close Quarters Kill Zone

like

Numbers Cat I appreciate your guide

but I can juice this so much harder

and I don't even need to

[tall torrent]

I can send u my guide’s current talent ratings

[somber axle]

but you are right

[umbral scaffold]

am i insane or does vet have way more nodes than like zealot

[somber axle]

without Kill Zone it ends up back in 2HKO territory even at 10 stack MF

however if I grab 15 stack

back to 1HKO

like it's not a hard breakpoint

[hearty panther]

believe it or not, only four more, iirc

[somber axle]

LOL

[hearty panther]

theyre just all at the bottom

so it looks very busy

[umbral scaffold]

icic

[tall torrent]

Yea but the issue is
You’re not going to start fights with 15 stacks available

[somber axle]

you have to actively ignore ranged damage when running Exe Stance Kantrael Mk IV if you want to go under 1HKO territory

[tall torrent]

I just don’t like relying on specific MF stack requirements for important breakpoints

[hearty panther]

i agree with that

[somber axle]

the fights never really end and neither do the stacks

[hearty panther]

ghost made it super easy to just stand in one spot

and plink at mfers

[somber axle]

plus it fires fast enough that just spray head height at a horde gets you max stacks fast

[north raptor]

eh….

[somber axle]

this is fair though

[somber axle]

the buffs to Marksman's Focus made the uptime a lot easier to maintain tbh

[north raptor]

EH….

[tall torrent]

When you’re looking for a very specific amount of stacks to hold, it’s not as consistent

[somber axle]

kill a poxwalker with a headshot every 6 seconds

and it stays

LOL

[tall torrent]

@hearty panther wdyt

[somber axle]

I'll agree there and perhaps I should add more juice to offset the start of a fight

Ideally I want to start at 1HKO breakpoint and then Marksman's Focus stacks just build to make boss DPS crazy

[hearty panther]

whats wdyt

i dont understand u kids

[torn moat]

what do you think

[umbral scaffold]

what do you think?

[tall torrent]

Wat dew u think

[somber axle]

could you imagine if I had Deadly Accurate in this test too?

LOL

[umbral scaffold]

i was right lfg

[hearty panther]

let me get my reading spectacles

and my reading chair

[somber axle]

but anyway Marksman's Focus stacks are much easier to hold after the update

[umbral scaffold]

i have my reading spectacles on all the time

[somber axle]

like 3 seconds on headshot grace period?

you can move and shoot

and still keep stacks

I do it all the time with laspistol

[tall torrent]

Yea, 1a can do that with marksman and MF
It’s a lot harder to push MG4 to that role

[hearty panther]

the crux for me is

[somber axle]

That's true but Mk IV has funny infinite ammo

plus I like pushing the impossible

I do the silly things no one thinks is worth trying because of the clown costume

[tall torrent]

Are u running the 200+ toughness sniper tank curio then

[hearty panther]

is the # of stacks i have on average, more or less damage than agile engagement giving me 25% in either category for roughly 75% of a round

[somber axle]

I want to show you my Cadian tank build now LOL

one sec

[hearty panther]

and generally the answer is no

[somber axle]

I have 10 minutes before I leave for work

I can get this

I am the TANK

[umbral scaffold]

@somber axle nice pronounce

[tall torrent]

Lemme know what u think

I think my ratings are generally accurate

[somber axle]

Thank you LOL

[last parcel]

is it still this one
#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

Yeah! That's the one

I forgor I already shared it thanks

I'd like to see a Sniper try me

put the laser pointer on me

I'm a cat

I will catch it

in my teeth

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-lazer-pointer-cute-gif-7775618

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/die-cat-laser-pointer-gif-14826307959335685007

[tall torrent]

U need multiple sniper resist + TDR active

[somber axle]

are you sure I need a second sniper resist curio with that set up?

I need to test it but idk how unless I download the monster spawner for Psykanium and I don't have the time to do that since I leave for work in 6 minutes

[tall torrent]

With 3x 20% sniper resist, close order drill at max coherency, iron will, 5% TDR node, you need 199.6 toughness to tank a sniper shot without taking health dmg

[somber axle]

ok now add in Hunter's Resolve and another 75 toughness

[tall torrent]

Yea but that requires u to use an ability

The point is to be able to tank it without using ability

[somber axle]

That's fair

I could swap another sprint efficiency to sniper resist

but I am sad at losing the sprint efficiency

[tall torrent]

If u have 3x 20% sniper resist, iron will and both 5% + 10% TDR node, you need 266.56+ toughness

This is without close order drill

[somber axle]

are you sure the math doesn't work out that 274 toughness still tanks it even with only 1 sniper perk

I need to test it in a match to see

[tall torrent]

Without using ability, no

[tall torrent]

Sniper is 1225 toughness dmg

[somber axle]

yeah but idk how all the TDR nodes all interact since Close Damage is so weird

[tall torrent]

1225 x(0.8^3) x0.5 x0.85 = 266.56

[somber axle]

are they all additive? multiplicative? some are one and others are the opposite?

[tall torrent]

All multiplicative

Except the 5% & 10% TDR nodes

[somber axle]

that's a relief

I've developed trust issues with how anything is written in tooltips in this game LOL

[somber axle]

oh ok nevermind relief gone

[hearty panther]

oh i get it now

i couldn't understand the colors and shit

[tall torrent]

It’s color coded as the actual talents

[somber axle]

on the bright side this means that with Close Order Drill/Hunter's Resolve I don't need 3

even if they're more conditional

[tall torrent]

With hunter’s resolve, iron will, 1x 20% sniper resist and 5% TDR node, u need 232.75+

[hearty panther]

i think you should reformat it, and not just because im dumb

[somber axle]

NICE

because I thought I was actually going mad earlier

[hearty panther]

but because there should be more talents that are 'always good to take'

[somber axle]

I distinctly remember eating a sniper shot and taking no damage

[tall torrent]

Which ones

[hearty panther]

i think qualifying them in this way is trying to make a tier list more than it is guiding a pathway

cause thats all our tree is

if you were making a left side tree, which ones would you absolutely take, which do you skip

with as few points spent

[tall torrent]

It more or less is

[somber axle]

this build grabs both the 5% TDR node and the 10% TDR node, Iron Will, Close Order Drill, Hunter's Resolve and both +25 Toughness talents with all the toughness stacking from curios

[tall torrent]

That’s the intention

[somber axle]

I went out of my way to get extra single bit of non-Voice of Command tankiness I could find

[tall torrent]

With a bit more nuance in it

[somber axle]

gold toughness is easy mode

literally just pop VoC and eat a sniper shot even if you're running all stam curios

I want to find the goofy way to doing that

[hearty panther]

idk talents are hard to capture the value of

cause the route you take also dictates a lot

[tall torrent]

The route u take is because u want some specific talents tho

[hearty panther]

survivalist is a must pick unless youre coming down from smoke grenade and now it costs three, yknow

but i guess thats always the trouble

condensing all that info

[snow cypress]

HI guys,why it is said that Surprise attack is bad if you can combine it with other talents to considerably increase the damage

[somber axle]

the +15 toughness one near the top of the tree feels like it's always good to take

[tall torrent]

It’s not included because you can’t progress below if u don’t take it

[north raptor]

OH

[somber axle]

I know I'm being a clown again LOL

[tall torrent]

There’re a ton of new features in the WIP guide

[north raptor]

thanks numbers cat

[somber axle]

extra damage isn't always a good thing and you need to take it in the context of whether or not that extra damage helps you hit a breakpoint that you can't hit otherwise

then you have to remember that conditional breakpoints are less valuable than non-conditional breakpoints because if you can hit the breakpoint without a condition you always want to do that instead

the tl;dr of that is

damage is a dump stat

[tall torrent]

Yes but also both agile and 10% melee dmg are listed in first tier so like, there’s a very real comparison in terms of which one u want more

[oblique totem]

Damage dump stat?

[tall torrent]

For a lot of weapons yea it’s not the most important thing

[oblique totem]

What tomfoolery are you lot up to in here?

[tall torrent]

It’s actually the least important stat for breakpoints

[snow cypress]

So...do you mean that it is better dealing more base damage rather than dealing more damage through the ability?

[hearty panther]

thats kinda true too but this format sort of strips that context, but like, what would even be the best format

cause i think in the end it's like

you have to describe every talent by itself lol

and im a lazy man at heart

and i wouldnt do that

fuck that

[tall torrent]

This section follows the description of all talents

[hearty panther]

oh

i see

[tall torrent]

It looks like this

[junior needle]

Not a dump stat but can be less important than common sense would make it seem, due to damage values in this game being a scale between two arbitrary numbers

[hearty panther]

then i just wouldnt even have the rating lel, let others figure it out

but i defer again to my laziness

[tall torrent]

I added it because soldier 69 said people are illiterate

[oblique totem]

Insanity

[hearty panther]

its true

[junior needle]

So true

[snow cypress]

I guess "For the Emperor!" follows the same rule

[hearty panther]

people also dont experiment but in the end its a question of your audience

[oblique totem]

I'm absolutely illiterate.

[hearty panther]

i read the super technical guides, like the one that broke down suppression and melee/ranged aggro ranges on shooters

most would rather die

opinion is not unwelcome but hard numbers is what i want

and like, information that the game isnt presenting

thats always nice to get

[tall torrent]

I’m not going as deep into specific numbers regarding those

I did check player-side suppression again

[umbral scaffold]

what is suppression, asking in regards to one of the gun blessings that gives suppression immunity

[junior needle]

Suppression is when things fire at you and your aim gets wobbly

That's suppression on players

[tall torrent]

Laspistol and Helbore don’t have suppression immunity, they just don’t get impacted much by suppression in the first place

[umbral scaffold]

ty

[tall torrent]

I can record what Laspistol under suppression looks like

[junior needle]

Suppression on enemies is when they get spooked and start running for cover

[snow cypress]

A friend told me a combination of Agile Engagement + Surprise attack + For the Emperor + Desperado,and it increases the damage,however idk the viability of it. What's your opinion about it?

[junior needle]

Only happens on ranged enemies like shooters, gunners, and reapers. Groaners are technically suppressible but barely affected.

[tall torrent]

Depends on what you’re going for

It is a lot of extra dmg but this depends on ur weapons & build intention

[snow cypress]

with knife

and stealth,ig an agressive one

[tall torrent]

Well, I don’t think knife hits major new breakpoints from dmg juice

[snow cypress]

I mean,as far as I'm concerned it could only be done when you're in sigile

However you are not always in that state

So idk what to think about it

I mean for numbers is true it's a huge damage increasement

And killing big guys or rager by one hit is my passion

[north raptor]

i hate the suppression immunity talent i keep having to take ;_;

[snow cypress]

This build would be combined with superiority complex and Bring it down

[tall torrent]

laspistol under suppression

[snow cypress]

lol

[snow cypress]

wdym with this?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t kill most high value enemies with less hits from using talents that temporarily boost ur Dmg tremendously

Which means that a lot of the extra dmg talents u are considering don’t actually make u reliably kill things faster

[snow cypress]

one-hitting a ragger is so satisfactory

[tall torrent]

For a 5s duration that seems unnecessary

[snow cypress]

But it's true...

It's so few

[hearty panther]

the answer to all these things

is to punch things in the Psykhanium

[snow cypress]

I'll check it

[somber axle]

Weird question time Numbers Cat

What if I forsake 2 of my sprint efficiency nodes to go all in on triple sniper resist

With max efficiency close quarters drill and hunter's resolve how much damage would a sniper shot do

Idk what the formula is to calculate this or I would try to do the math in the 12 minutes I have before work

[tall torrent]

If u have every form of TDR available + 3x 20% sniper resist

1225 x(0.8^3) x0.5 x0.5 x0.67 x0.85 ≈ 89.3 toughness dmg

[somber axle]

Perfect

I want to go into Sniper Gauntlet and purposely eat sniper shots to scare other players

If they ask how I will just say "Cadia stands"

Like imagine a new player seeing me get shot over and over by the sniper and take no HP damage asking how I'm ok

[hearty panther]

a noble pursuit

[somber axle]

And clown mode time: "The Emperor protects."

[snow cypress]

Man you don't even one-hit a ragger what a dissapointment

It's almost the same

2 hits

And with no ability 2-3 hits(if I fail one hit on weakspot 4)

[somber axle]

With Knife?

[snow cypress]

yeah

[tall torrent]

U need uncanny strike on knife

Knife aims for 2 hit ragers

[snow cypress]

I did that with the combination of talents i said before

[somber axle]

You can 1HKO Crushers with Knife and I can do so on a build with my Recon Mk VId and Executioner's Stance

But like

[snow cypress]

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