veteran-class

[thick kestrel]

the poor visibility combined with the rocket devastator oneshots >_<

[umbral garnet]

THE CREEK WILL NEVER FALL

MALEVALON WILL BE OURS

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah back when rocket devs were literally worse than Hulks

my god, Im so damn thankful they fixed them

[umbral garnet]

They'd sneeze at you and you die.

[faint beacon]

Yeah its cause they rocket splash would hit all limbs which was a 100% instant-kill regardless of what you were wearing

shit was really dumb

[umbral garnet]

Now those shield devastators are my worst enemy.

[keen rampart]

rocket + gatling gun

[faint beacon]

Scythe casually popping their heads off

Love that gun now

[umbral garnet]

Hunters are still the worst enemy to fight, though, hands down.

Fight me if you want to. They're bullshit.

[keen rampart]

and they score a headshot across half a map freaking cheater 🤣

[hexed cliff]

just use the scorcher it’s anti-everything

[keen rampart]

i have lost count of how many times i was just chilling over here with out any red dot on the radar and then suddenly i ate a whole rocket (it come with desert too!).

[faint beacon]

I have and always will be a energy purist

Laser Cannon casually dropping Hulks in two seconds if you can aim at the head

[hexed cliff]

I just use the quasar it one shots them

[faint beacon]

I prefer the LC mainly cause I drop groups of Devs in seconds as well

[keen rampart]

the plasma shotgun is quite good after they buff it muzzel velocity

[faint beacon]

like having a Support weapon that can deal with a handful of things easily

I know its not as effective on F.Striders like the QC but it can still kill it

[somber axle]

The funny in and out farm strategy for that one mission that's just kill X number o Automatons and everyone just grabs Mortar Sentries and emotes at each other while the mission autoplays and is over in 1 minute LOL

They changed that mission though

[keen rampart]

i like having the anti-material rifle + baslictic shield and the stun smg (forgot it name)

[somber axle]

No more mortar farm strat

[hexed cliff]

that’s how I unlocked everything in 30 hours lol

[somber axle]

It was a very funny place for a new player to fight. Bugs were baby mode. Bots were a nightmare for the new players in the first days of launch. No one knew how anything worked but bugs fell over if you shot them and the armour on most Bots meant the usual guns didn't do anything LOL

[keen rampart]

now me and my friend bring 380-120-laser and walking barage into that mission it hella fun when all 4 throw

[somber axle]

Baby Helldiver can fall into a bug map and clean up bugs with a Liberator and then do their first bot match and get torched by Rocket Devastators

[hexed cliff]

yeah u pretty much just used the rail gun the whole time on bots

[somber axle]

I used E.A.T. and S.P.E.A.R. alternating between the two depending on if I was playing with friends or doing solo stealth

Spear was so good for sniping fabricators from outside bases

The lock on was AWFUL in the first weeks though

Very buggy

[keen rampart]

yeah people only realize the power of auto cannon and the anti-mat after the 2nd warbound comeout with the flash bang

[dreamy spade]

I've now got 3 17% toughness and 2 21% health curios on vet

[somber axle]

I had a moment where I had the Spear trying to lock on to a base RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME and it wouldn't no matter how much I aimed and angled the camera. Then suddenly the weapon locks on to what looks like the fucking sky. I shoot just to see what would happen. Suddenly we get a notification saying "Radar Station Destroyed" and my friends collectively went "WHAT" over voice chat while I cackled

[hexed cliff]

Yeah haha

[somber axle]

It fucking sniped the single Fabricator next to a Radar base and obliterated it

We hadn't even been on that side of the map yet

Totally undiscovered side objective

[faint beacon]

Simply winning

[somber axle]

It is one of my funniest memories of HD2

[faint beacon]

I love shredding everything with the Laser Cannon

think the most highstress scenario I've been in was 3 hulks flank us and kill everyone except me and I had to overheat my LC in order to kill all 3

[keen rampart]

i think they fixed the spear month ago when sony create the drama

[somber axle]

I left after the Scythe rifle

[faint beacon]

Sickle?

[somber axle]

The laser assault gun that shoots bullets instead of the beam

[faint beacon]

Yeah the Sickle

[somber axle]

I haven't played since

[faint beacon]

they gutted that thing

its not my cup of tea tbh seeing Scythe is literally just

[somber axle]

I mainly used Counter Sniper Rifle

[faint beacon]

can you aim?

yes? its better

lmao

[somber axle]

It was objectively worse than the other DMR

But I prize fashion over function

The green Counter Sniper Rifle looked better with my outfit so I used it

[hexed cliff]

good thing the armour sets with RNG god mode also look cool

[somber axle]

It did get buffed to be more relevant against higher armour before I left. Buffed from light armour penetration to medium armour penetration

But before the buff it was objectively worse than the other rifle with more ammo and less damage per shot because it still took the exact same number of shots on all the targets that mattered

Darktide taught me breakpoints and now I can't unseen it in other games LOL

[keen rampart]

also they have a buff the ballistic shield hit box now it cover your full body front and immune to 2 tank shot or 1 turret shot.

[somber axle]

Does the extra damage let you kill in less shots?? No?? Then it's literally just fluff

[keen rampart]

i think they buff it to have more handling and dmg i think ?? really dont remember but it 1 hit headshot now for the light bot one and devastator is 2 shot

[hearty panther]

diablo ii basically taught me how to gamer(tm)

the unrivaled feeling as two 11 year olds who naturally came to understand breakpoints on their own without the internet but only to play a terrible smite holy fire paladin

[keen rampart]

any advice on doing a "on overwatch" penances ?

[hearty panther]

dont get hit

[faint beacon]

^

[hearty panther]

actually you can afford to get hit once

[faint beacon]

Stick in the back line

[hearty panther]

is perhaps the only thing to know

[faint beacon]

probably run infil

[atomic zephyr]

shout

[faint beacon]

or shout

[atomic zephyr]

or infil

[hearty panther]

it doesnt care about toughness, just about hp loss

so really its just teaching you to use your toughness better

[keen rampart]

wait a sec toughness dmg don't count ? only hp ?

[hearty panther]

ye

[faint beacon]

Basically

dont get melee'd

you can get shot

just Do not get Melee'd

[keen rampart]

ok that much easier as vet

[somber axle]

I have a build to recommend for this!

Ok so

[faint beacon]

I swear If I see

"recon"

in there at all

[somber axle]

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 10 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[hearty panther]

honestly taking an unfamiliar or medicore weapon isnt a totally bad idea

should keep you from playing too aggressive

dont get too comfortable

[gilded wraith]

Does the damage boost from covering fire stack?

[somber axle]

Edited to better clarify some things

[keen rampart]

gonna try this tomorrow cus all the poor Psyker on my server are all sleep rn 🤣 it cant be that bad if i only try it solo on malice diff right ? 🤣

[oblique totem]

Every day we stray further from the light of the Emperor

[bitter turtle]

yeah this is basically how i did it on the first try lol

you p much cant fail it as long as you dont get tapped by a dog pounce or something

so just stay away from dog

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-he-dont-bite-you-good-black-ops1-black-ops1meme-black-ops-meme-black-ops-dog-gif-23601233

[oblique totem]

Mmm I don't know. He got teeth don't he?

[keen rampart]

is this where they get inspiration for the pox hounds ? some how i feel it harder to kill than the assassin mouse in vermintide when it not on someone.

[somber axle]

LMFAO it doesn't have to be a Psyker. Anyone will do. But it usually is a Psyker because they're always in the backline and if you're doing On Overwatch Penance you likely will be too

[somber axle]

I should have but with people asking for advice I always try to be genuine and offer proper tips instead of sharing my silly clown set ups LOL

Messing with people who need help? Not funny to me. Making everyone look at me like I'm insane for the dumb nonsense I run? Absolutely

[hearty panther]

quite frankly every weapon is useable with some advice and constantly waving people off onto using one of the big 3 weapons instead is a boring copout to offering actual advice

[somber axle]

I agree but if you recommend Recons, Shredder Autopistol or Mk XII Infantry Lasgun you will aggro at least 2 Vets

[oblique totem]

What would you say is the worst weapon in Darktide?

[somber axle]

Everything is viable on every difficulty if you're funny enough

[hearty panther]

not recommend, offer advice for when asked

Paul

Paul has been left behind for a full year.

[somber axle]

The problem is that some people don't look for what they think is most fun, they look for what is optimal because the two things are the same thing in their head. You confuse a lot of people by doing whatever you want and ignoring meta. Meta is meta for a reason. Those are the strongest weapons. New players will naturally want to see what's strongest to toy with. But telling people flat out not to enjoy other weapons is the life of a boring dude

And it's far more entertaining to me to see what someone says is impossible and go "but wouldn't it be funny if someone made that possible??"

[hearty panther]

Specifically its the oft-interaction of "how should i build this shredder/headhunter/not a columnus CIAG" and inevitably the most received response is "KEK just use CIAG with dumdum"

[somber axle]

For Vet I'd say the worst ranged weapon is a toss up between Recon Mk II or Shredder Autopistol but I have run both in Auric Damnation so they're viable weapons even if others say they're not LOL

Worst Vet melee is probably tac axe

I can't think of any other melee that struggles as much as tac axes

[oblique totem]

Is it really fair to say if you can run them that anyone can?

[somber axle]

That's why I recommend the guide. If people wanna do cookie cutter min maxed builds then it's easier just to point them at a guide that will give them that info rather than try to explain it

If people wanna do funny things...

That's when the clown joke book comes out

[somber axle]

Yes

Because the keyword is anyone

Not everyone

[oblique totem]

Fair enough

[hearty panther]

also id actually say the mk3 shovel is the worst

perhaps even the mk3 psword

[oblique totem]

I tried running the catachan claw. Having trouble with it.

[hearty panther]

very specific requirements or movesets that are wholly overshadowed in their own category

[mental cloud]

What is this guide you speak of? I’d be interested in seeing it.

[somber axle]

A new Vet cannot do the funny things I do. But an experienced Vet can run my Recon build and still perform fine in Auric Damnation, even outdoing their team on Scoreboard. Gale did it so I'm not the only one here who has beaten their squad performance wise with a Recon Mk VId in Aurics LOL

[somber axle]

The old guide is in Vet chat channel pins!

But numbers cat is writing a version 2.0 with more modern info

[oblique totem]

Clown vet is the true meta

[somber axle]

The stuff in the old guide may be out of date

Not everything is accurate to the current patch

2.0 version will be

[mental cloud]

Ahhh I’ll keep an ear out for it.

[somber axle]

Sam name a weapon

Any weapon

[junior needle]

Remember that the usage of "viable" is very different based on the person, and if you mean auric good then they are not auric good. You can conceivably win, but that's despite the weapons and not because of them.

[mental cloud]

Recon lasgun mk2 🤣

[junior needle]

recon mk2 is likely the lowest dps gun in the game

[tall torrent]

[mental cloud]

Kantrael infantry mg IV

[somber axle]

There you go

This is what the old guide looks like for that weapon as well as the other Recons

[mental cloud]

Ahhhhhh

Dude that’s sick

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-officer-super-troopers-of-god-gif-16007533

[somber axle]

The old guide recommends perks, blessings, stat priority and gives a detailed breakdown of weapon performance

It is still a useful resource even if it is out of date on some info

[junior needle]

Why does it have stopping power and stability

As stats for the 6d

[somber axle]

This was before numbers cat knew a clown would make an eternal meme of Recon Mk VId

[junior needle]

None of the recons have stopping power

[somber axle]

I am the thing no one could ever expect would happen to that gun

[tall torrent]

I made mistakes

[oblique totem]

Stability: yes
Stopping power: lol

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550

[tall torrent]

The new version will hopefully have less mistakes

[somber axle]

You can still download the pdf file for the old guide too! Then just ctrl+F and type any weapon name. It has melee weapons AND ranged weapons!

[tall torrent]

Current plan is to split curio defense section into 2

[junior needle]

I mean, people already knew about taking glass cannon setups

[tall torrent]

“Know your enemies”
“Curio & defense”

[somber axle]

Yes this is true and why I often do give a disclaimer whenever someone asks about my Recon Mk VId build

Just because it works for me doesn't mean it will do the same for others

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna put the entire enemy catalogue in there

Prob

[junior needle]

"often"

[somber axle]

I try to do it always but sometimes I forgor

[junior needle]

Whomst must remind you

[somber axle]

It's hard to type out the full warning every time and if I try to write a copy paste it just ends up too long for people to care to read LOL

[oblique totem]

I think I'm supposed to but I generally don't.

[somber axle]

Even worse since most of the time people ask me while I'm either at work or just before I'm starting work

A clown has little time before and during the digital circus

[junior needle]

Something simple like "The guns aren't actually good and this is using a high effort glass cannon setup to compensate for that" would work well

You don't need to list every detail

[somber axle]

Nah because that's not actually painting a picture of how something works, that just tells someone it doesn't

If someone is asking me about my build they're curious how I do what I do

Explaining Duck and Dive for the synergy with Deadshot is important to tell imo

[junior needle]

You can tell them that later

But making sure they understand the important points

Before you go on a tirade

Is important

[oblique totem]

The video clip and build screenshot are basically a copypasta at this point

[somber axle]

Every talent is meticulously chosen for Stam efficiency to maximize uptime on Deadshot and improve crit while stacking Rending talents and damage talents to push the Recon into shredding literally any and every enemy type in the game

You need certain stats, perks and blessings alongside certain talents or it will not perform

And how can you put a clown on stage without their make up? Without their nose? No balls to juggle?

[oblique totem]

I always knew Deadshot was broken

[somber axle]

You're just setting them up for failure

[junior needle]

More shocktrooper

[somber axle]

I set them up for the potential of success but warn them of failure

[junior needle]

You should warn them harder, at the start

Before they start spending a bunch of money on stuff

Only to find out later this is a hard way to play the game

[oblique totem]

I think it's fairly obvious that the recon build is a meme build

[somber axle]

I generally think I am being clear enough by warning them that the build relies entirely on positioning, map awareness, target priority and mobility fundamentals (dodging, blocking, etc.) for survival without a get out of jail free card like VoC or Infiltrate. People generally know going in that they will be squishy with this set up vs VoC meta builds. I also warn that this is a lot of effort to be competitive with some meta builds but it will mean a player of equal skill level will likely outdo you on performance

[junior needle]

You'd be surprised how many people just don't know

[somber axle]

A lot more effort for just putting it into viable status

This isn't making it one of the top 3 weapons

[oblique totem]

One need only run the weapon once to see how it normally feels

[somber axle]

It just makes it a weapon viable for harder content difficulties

I have never said it replaces CIAG LOL

At most I've said it CAN outdo CIAG on ammo economy in the right hands with comparative TTK

CIAG will generally be less talent tax expensive and still output more damage

[rotund shard]

Columnus infantry autogun is meta?

[somber axle]

Yes

The three big ranged meta weapons for Vet are Plasma, Zarona Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun

But all guns are viable imo

[rotund shard]

Good to know, though I'll still stick to Kantrael Lasgun MG Ia

[somber axle]

On all difficulties

[oblique totem]

I prefer the agrapina infantry autogun personality

[rotund shard]

I've used Zarona for a while, it was quite fun

[somber axle]

It is a very good weapon

Also I must disappear briefly to do some actual work because I only have a couple hours of my work day left and some important things to get done LOL

[oblique totem]

Boo work

[rotund shard]

My experience with it is that you delete most enemies from existence with a single shot lol

[junior needle]

"viable" is a low bar fyi

It does not mean good

[somber axle]

@junior needle make sure to remind me of when you want to do the thing because I will 100% forget between now and whenever it happens

[somber axle]

I'm short irl so I have to look for low bars. They're the most comfortable to reach

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cute-cute-cat-cute-kitten-gif-26647956

[junior needle]

I hereby declare the laspistol as the king of clowns

3600 dps, 2 ammo used for a crusher

[midnight totem]

Accutran?

Very nice

[slow spade]

One day the kantreal laspistol will be less ass :c

[hearty panther]

its really not that bad already

[midnight totem]

I really want like, an m1911 of pistols

[hearty panther]

but working off the same set of blessings as the other laspistol hurts it

[midnight totem]

But that's not the kantrael

[hearty panther]

think of the laspistol X as less of a laspistol and more like a super tiny infantry las

[somber axle]

LMFAO ok that's pretty funny

[hearty panther]

its by no means bad but yeah its somehow competing in all the wrong categories

[somber axle]

I'll let your Laspistol take the King Crown because my Recon Mk VId is the Queen

They rule very different but very similar lands that are equally goofy

[junior needle]

I dunno, the laspistol is looking twice as goofy on the ammo used count

[somber axle]

It's the Mk XII Kantrael Infantry Lasgun of the two Laspistols. It's ok but outclassed by the alternative

[somber axle]

Yeah but have you seen my max reload speed Laspistol??

[tall torrent]

More like a super bad infantry Lasgun

[hearty panther]

nah i consider it a sidegrade

[junior needle]

nope

[tall torrent]

Flak dmg is better but at what cost

[hearty panther]

much higher mobility and you trade off high maniac for high flak

[somber axle]

Look at how dumb the animation looks at this speed LMFAO

[tall torrent]

It’s kinda worse mobility than MG4

[hearty panther]

and crit but crit on a slower weapon doesnt tend to feel great

[tall torrent]

MG4 has faster sprint to fire than Mk10 Laspistol

[junior needle]

Are you sure you didn't speed up the video

[hearty panther]

deffo not worse than mg4

[somber axle]

I did not

Let me find the comment I made explaining all the reload speed buffs

[junior needle]

Then why does the music go sanic

[hearty panther]

significantly less stamina use, much better dodges, literally faster when running

[tall torrent]

It’s faster run speed by a little bit

[hearty panther]

mg4 competes with mkii and mg1a/xii the x is how i see em

[somber axle]

+10% reload speed perk
+10% reload speed per Speedload stack at max 5 stacks
+30% reload speed on Elite/Special kill Volley Adept Talent
+25% reload speed if weapon contains ammo Tactical Reload talent
+20% reload speed Weapon Specialist Keystone with Fleeting Fire modifier

There is no reason to do this ever

It's just a meme to see how fast you can reload

I don't think any gun in the game has a faster reload LOL

[hearty panther]

serrated over agile wtf

[somber axle]

I play YouTube videos for music and set the speed to 1.25x speed because the increased bpm does all the right things for my brain

[somber axle]

Yes. This was meant to be paired with knife using Mercy/Uncanny

I did actually intend to play this build but I don't think I ever actually did LOL

[hearty panther]

scientifically designed to be as bad as possible

[hearty panther]

"what if instead of damage nodes, i dont?"

[hearty panther]

lmao

[oblique totem]

Max minning

[shadow urchin]

I would like to see how fast it is tho.

[midnight totem]

4700 penance score

I can get about, 50 more easy points and the rest are a grind

[somber axle]

It's this vid. I had to shoot a few enemies for speedload stacks

[hearty panther]

blink and you miss it

[somber axle]

I pre-killed an elite for Volley Adept reload speed since that buff has infinite duration until used

I should break this vid into frames and count the EXACT number of frames to see how fast it is from neutral in hand to fully reloaded number in clip

Maybe when I get home

[shadow urchin]

I would also like to see this done with the revolver.

Fast handz

[hearty panther]

you legit dont even see the bullets go in

he just cracks it open and the bullets appear and closes it up again

[somber axle]

I should make a Revolver and do this speed test...

[hearty panther]

heavy rain in full sunlight

love it

[tame lodge]

Both revolvers plz

[somber axle]

Agripina Revolver would be even funnier

Don't worry I have some spare plasteel and dockets

I will see what I can do

I am always down for clown science

[tame lodge]

Godspeed soldier

[somber axle]

It will be another hour at least before I can even think about playing

But I will begin reload speed testing when I get home if I remember

[modern fern]

Does anyone know for On Overwatch does mean take heath damage or just no melee damage at all ?

[somber axle]

I'll try to get a low reload speed set up for comparison to show the difference between low reload speed and max reload speed

[last parcel]

kid named loadout config mod: https://discord.com/channels/1048312349867646996/1170359714027155608

[hearty panther]

no health damage

[modern fern]

really

[somber axle]

Yeah but then I don't have funny weapons in my inventory I can see and go "what the fuck why is this here?? OH RIGHT THE CLOWN SCIENCE"

[modern fern]

weird i played a game and took no health damage but got hit on toughnes

[last parcel]

oh i never have that thought because most of my weapons are stupid anyways

[modern fern]

unless corruptions counts

[somber axle]

Here lemme copy paste something I've shared that has helped others:

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 10 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[modern fern]

hmm

alright thx

[somber axle]

Good luck soldier!

[modern fern]

Does smoke confuze melee or no ?

[somber axle]

No

It will confuse ranged enemies including pox hounds

Dogs will run in circles barking but never pounce if the entire team is in the smoke cloud

[modern fern]

i saw post were it was jump off and dont get res at all but idk i havent tried it yet

bruh

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

start reading from here to see smoke vs specialists

it doesnt do anything against melee afaik

[modern fern]

sad

well time to just hit and run then

[bitter turtle]

just do the infiltrate thing described

i did it first try

lol

i suggest knife + laspistol

[modern fern]

yeah making a class rn

[bitter turtle]

or something mobile

in general

just stay evasive and smash infiltrate the moment you take a hit

[somber axle]

Remember to block too

Blocking and dodging will help bunches

Also

You can underhand lob shredder frag grenades without breaking Infiltrate stealth

[modern fern]

ive been doing that but im still getting it

[somber axle]

You can literally drop 3 grenades and still be in stealth when they all explode

[bitter turtle]

just have to practice then

[shadow urchin]

Wish shredder was bedder. I love shredding the gnar.

[modern fern]

krak just to kill armored

[clear lantern]

toss it on a mauler, armored rager, or crusher. It'll stick-stick-boom. Good way to dismantle a crusher patrol.

[hollow turtle]

Lol it is pretty hilarious when you seem to have quick joined a party who are all downed by a crusher party except for 1 guy trying to survive. You whip out them krak nades so fast and that party thanks you.

[clear lantern]

then you give a quicki shout and they come back up. It's that savior mentality.

[hollow turtle]

Lol for me, I just happened to jump in with my helbore Mk II & Krak build specifically meant for killing Ogryns and Monstrosities. It was just extreme luck.
Still getting used to the shout build.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dominican-republic-republica-dominicana-scream-if-you-love-gif-6007644221665533400

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/mascaras-the-mask-jim-carrey-shhh-keep-quiet-gif-16737268

[modern fern]

i didnt get it

looks like i cant get hit at all

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/coringa-gjirlfriend-gif-24449384

[modern fern]

pain

Anyone wanna just carry me for this stupid challenge

[oblique totem]

I would but I'm actually quite bad at the game

[somber axle]

I would but if I join you in a match you'll see me and then I wouldn't be sneaky

[uncut pebble]

I've had so many matches like that lately, played one as ogryn (level 14 in heresy) and there were literally 22 maulers, 2 crushers, and an entire battalion of flak gunners absolutely mowing down the 3 people that were already downed. Managed to win that situation and go pick them all back up.

I know the mauler and crusher count because I counted them as they died to my kickback.

[oblique totem]

Ok but what if they close their eyes?

[gilded rock]

I never saw people leaving for A.S.S. until today, what a sad thing to care that much about

[last parcel]

ayyy oh eh oh

[modern fern]

im just gotta jump off a cliff or so and you guys can just do that mission lol

[somber axle]

I changed my character personality and name so people will not recognize me now even if you run into me in west coast region auric damntion quickplay

I am EXTRA sneaky

[last parcel]

kid named inspect social tab:

[oblique totem]

I can do it.

[somber axle]

Wait what is that?

[orchid hemlock]

my objectively best Vet build in history 😎 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c398d7f-28e8-4160-9b52-9bc3391d573a/main-character-syndrome-vet

[somber axle]

If someone finds me and figures out it is me over quickplay I'll gift them $100 in aquilas

But THIS isn't a bet I'll lose HAHA

There's no way anyone would find me

[last parcel]

soldier's 68 other alt accounts:

hmmm I wonder why I hear honking and jingling shoes

[oblique totem]

Ok.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-saul-goodman-meme-saul-goodman-slip-bcs-better-call-saul-slip-gif-25537703

[oblique totem]

Ugh but that means I have to play west coast servers.

Damn it

[somber axle]

Just don't look for me LOL

You'll never know when I'm playing and when I'm asleep or at work or doing anything else

It's just a funny bet

Plus like if someone did run into me idk how they'd know it is me unless they just go "SNEAKY CAT??" at any Vet that has a Recon Mk VId

[last parcel]

my plans have been foiled again

[oblique totem]

Hey, you're not allowed to guess my strategy

[last parcel]

hard countered by shredder auto pistol

[somber axle]

If someone does ask me if I'm sneaky cat I'll concede you found me and you win the Aquilas before I name change again

[oblique totem]

Also, I actually had a more reliable way of figuring it out

[somber axle]

[last parcel]

ah yes

the camera in the toilet

[somber axle]

Doom movie?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-dwayne-johnson-hell-yeah-heck-yeah-yeah-gif-26501965

[oblique totem]

Start a conversation about an obscure weapon, prompting you to test it out and just pay attention to who goes into the testing area

[somber axle]

LMFAO

Yeah that would work

Also the Doom movie, as goofy as it was, still had one of the coolest segments

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/suck-that-dick-deep-throat-shut-up-man-trump-covid-monday-gif-18694051

[oblique totem]

The first person shooter part?

[somber axle]

Camera goes first person like you're in a game and the actor just goes through shooting everything

[oblique totem]

Yep

[somber axle]

The first time I saw that I was so hyped LOL

[last parcel]

they should make a game like that

[oblique totem]

What would they call it, though?

[last parcel]

Rock Hard Mood

[oblique totem]

The results are also some of my favorite credits ever

[somber axle]

Where most of it feels like a movie and then maybe one part with first person?

[oblique totem]

No, they already made call of duty

[midnight totem]

Just yell in the mourning star chat "recons suck!"

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-punch-gif-19248454

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/uncharted-nathan-drake-drake-tired-gif-24041223

I was thinking Uncharted LOL

[oblique totem]

I wanted to say God of War, but it's not first person. So

[oblique totem]

That was plan B

[midnight totem]

https://youtube.com/shorts/p7CU7wU0b20?si=f5V5EjRYEh5jOEe3

[last parcel]

your character is the camera that just happens to be behind kartussy most of the time

[oblique totem]

Or the confirmation of plan A, whichever

[oblique totem]

I am certain that a game somewhere has that gimmick

[last parcel]

it's in my balls

[midnight totem]

Hot

Anyway, I need a power sword or headhunter auto skin to be sold in the next shop

Plz fatshark

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-i-love-you-concur-thats-what-she-said-is-how-speed-gif-24958898

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[last parcel]

a true master

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/leyley-pat-gif-7948977760259733206

I cannot be baited so easily even by the master of baiting

[last parcel]

[oblique totem]

Which is why it's plan B or the confirmation.

I'm looking for disengagement or avoidance here.

Anyone who responds is automatically crossed off

Of Course I can't do any of this now because the game is up.
Goodbye aquilas.

[north raptor]

wtf

[clear lantern]

That's too simple, try: Pistols should only be for zealots and psykers; you're not a commissar

[civic knot]

Will this gun still hit non-crit headshot BP on unarmored gunners without the 8% elite dmg?

[junior needle]

loadout config

[last parcel]

test it with the loadout config mod in the darktide modders discord
https://discord.com/channels/1048312349867646996/1170359714027155608

[junior needle]

make sure you scroll all the way down for the latest version

[civic knot]

How much HP do maulers have?

[tame lodge]

Should be 3000

At Damnation

[somber axle]

yeah 3000 HP at Damnation difficulty

OH THIS IS NEAT

I never knew they took half damage from shooting the forearms/shins

[hybrid token]

Everyone does

[abstract moth]

Hey guys to get to 4500 points do i have to complete all the penances?

[oblique totem]

I knew there were weak points but I didn't know it applied to every limb. Cool.

[clear lantern]

I don't think you can get to 4,500 without doing auric/maelstrom stuff, but I haven't done the math

[abstract moth]

So you're saying i don't have to do all of them, good thanks

[somber axle]

you can ignore the barrel explosion penances thankfully LOL

[oblique totem]

I got the barrel penance on accident

[gilded wraith]

Anyone have a good mkII laspistol build? Probably running Rashad with it.

[oblique totem]

(and also have yet to teamkill anyone.)

[clear lantern]

all 2,500!?

[fresh mango]

you managed to kill 2500 on accident?

[oblique totem]

Not 2500, no

[abstract moth]

No that's not the issue, I'm at 4010 now, my problem is with 2 zealot penances and the ones who require team work like the 5 seconds insertions of the canisters. I usually play alone

[fresh mango]

I’ve barely gotten over 100 lol

[oblique totem]

At least not yet

I got up to the third one, I think

[clear lantern]

the canister one doesn't require a difficulty; you can easily just ask people on even T1 if they're up for it; you only need 2 people

[fresh mango]

I’m too stupid to lower difficulty for penances

I simply fuck it we ball on higher difficulties until it works

[abstract moth]

Yeah but who knows if they'll do it or not, and I don't want to be a bother

[oblique totem]

Ballin

[agile forge]

I am doing malice runs ATM for righteous defense

But now I just realised I agreed with my friends that we would run HM twins tomorrow

[clear lantern]

I am faded, no I am ballin'; still gotta get on the ogryn to taunt fools into a big fan

[agile forge]

So there goes a 6 streak

[midnight totem]

If you guys need help and a 4th, feel free to ask

[somber axle]

funny enough I got the 5 sec cannister insertion penance in a pug of randoms in quickplay damnation LOL

one of the guys asked if we could try

we were all immediately down

easy victory when everyone is coordinating for it

can just drop the cannisters next to where they're meant to be put in and collect the next

then have each person grab them together and shove them in all at once

[abstract moth]

Yeah I mean I guess I can try asking next time I'll see the mission

[visual island]

Here's a question for all the vets dead shot with plasma gun does it work or no? Cuz I'm not getting the stamina drain from it

[plush hound]

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[midnight totem]

Plasma gun

[plush hound]

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[midnight totem]

And dead shot does not work with it

[visual island]

So it's a useless perk for a plasma build got it thank you!

[midnight totem]

Yup

[oblique totem]

Deadshot doesn't work for plasma guns? Lame

[somber axle]

Agripina Revolver but only if you can get Azrael's funny build for it

[oblique totem]

Big iron build

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-mccree-highlight-intro-jesse-gif-20172697

[plush hound]

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[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-darth-side-of-the-force-is-a-pathway-to-many-abilities-gif-21623328

[plush hound]

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[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1244703710290907256/image.png?ex=6663432a&is=6661f1aa&hm=daac1e60a19654e589f46e942a5a6209dedc9e829f84c06cf17d3ba5ba539f94&

I think it's this

as best as I can tell Azrael had Trickshooter and Crucian as blessings on their Agripina Revolver too and if you ask Numbers Cat or Soldier 69 they'll tell you not to use those blessings

but like

they'd also tell you not to use Agripina Revolver LOL

you can do it with Zarona Revolver too though

[plush hound]

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[somber axle]

Azrael is stacking lots of damage buffs + also probably has a god roll perfect revolver to play with

[plush hound]

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[somber axle]

I think that's every ounce of possible damage you can get from the talent tree

[plush hound]

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[somber axle]

I do clown science toying with numbers for some of the weapons in the game but I'm just under 1000 hours. There are others with MUCH more experience and a better understanding of blessing combos/potential damage here that have used weapons with better armour damage modifiers and finesse values to push pretty hilarious numbers

Vet has crazy potential

[tall torrent]

I finally caved in and downloaded a bunch of mods for DT

[uncut pebble]

Weapon customization goes hard but it makes darktide eat a bunch more memory.

[rapid palm]

imo being able to put porper sights on things is worth it

[tall torrent]

I don’t use that one, I just went for a bunch of QoL stuff

Dodge bar, numeric UI, scoreboard, stim color in UI, creature spawner, etc

[vernal sundial]

i just like being able to match my weapons to my outfits, and it makes everything feel much more personalized

[north raptor]

my ogryn only has 300 ;_;

[tall torrent]

I think everything I downloaded is UI related lol

[somber axle]

the only HP that matters is the last one
yours and the enemy's
just make theirs hit 0 first and it never mattered how big they were
they're pretty small laying at your feet

[north raptor]

but it makes my Mushy seem like a shrimp

[somber axle]

there's always a bigger fish

[north raptor]

no, is strongest

and im max size!

[somber axle]

but bigger fish are just bigger meals for a sneaky cat

[north raptor]

i feel like there needs to be youtube video explanations of how exactly this sort of thing happened, and not just clips ;_;

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-fish-cute-funny-gif-5269673

[north raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[somber axle]

you'd need to ask Azrael since they made the clip

they could explain it in more detail

[north raptor]

i dont wanna you do it

[bitter turtle]

Pick every single thing that can increase your damage on the tree vs boss

Click ability

Shoot gun

[somber axle]

I am only a clown and have not experimented with the revolvers much to tell you what all went into the math of Azrael's monster killing build

[bitter turtle]

It's not actually rocket science

[north raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-cat-depths-to-the-depths-gif-7441909642438936732

[somber axle]

I can only guess they probably had unyielding as a perk

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[somber axle]

and probably maxed out damage, critical and penetration

[bitter turtle]

I did it for fun the other day

[somber axle]

80s across the board

[bitter turtle]

Don't think you can do it without unyielding

[somber axle]

the numbers go to such funny places

[bitter turtle]

I threw on critical damage for good measure bc why not lol

Only thing I didn't use was skirmisher

Sprinting around for half a min to prime the kill seemed too meme

[somber axle]

imagine if the sprinting lowers the number of shots needed to kill by 1

[bitter turtle]

Might as well throw in agile too

And spawn a poxwalker next to you first

That might actually do it

[somber axle]

you'd need 2 more points to reach agile

you could lose deadshot and opening salvo but that will drop crit chance a fair bit

[tall torrent]

@bitter turtle do u know what happens to weapon skins if there’s a weapon customization modded item on the skin (like an optic sight)

[rose ingot]

What would y’all say the best autogun of the lot is?

I’m playing around with em and really enjoying them overall.

[midnight totem]

columnus infantry autogun is far away the best in its category

not that the others are slouches

[bitter turtle]

weapon customization mod basically disables weapon skins aside from the color on your end

you can freely ddo whatever you want to them

[torn moat]

In terms of Infantry autoguns, Columnus > Agri > Graia
In terms of Braced autoguns, Agri > Graia > Columnus
In terms of Headhunter Autoguns, Vraks Mk3 >= Vraks Mk7 > Agri Mk9

[bitter turtle]

i dont really agree graia is any worse than agri under IAGs

[torn moat]

People can/will argue about the specifics about how one might be better than another in specific builds.

[rose ingot]

What’s the difference between the three categories?

[bitter turtle]

or that v3 has an edge at all over v7

[rose ingot]

I’ve literally only ever used lasguns

[bitter turtle]

or rather those two are quite different in the first place that its not even really worth comparing

[bitter turtle]

iag = high maniac multipliers, ads action
braced = similar but brace action and much lower finesse modifier
HH = low maniac modifier, high finesse modifier

that's about all you can say about them loosely

[torn moat]

I agree they are meant for different builds/purposes. But I generally consider Agri superior because of the innate penetration of multiple bodies and the high Potential Damage of it's ammo pool.
But against a single target, I think Graia has a better dps.

[bitter turtle]

graia has the highest stability and recoil control of all 3

its not an insignificant edge it has

frankly the dps difference between it and colu is not that big

[torn moat]

Braced is more of a hip fire playstyle. It has higher base damage, but a lower weak point multiplier than the other two. If you don't care about headshots, use that.

[bitter turtle]

oh yeah

forgot to write low finesse

for brace

but yeah

[rose ingot]

Sorta got it, I think

Lots of little stats

[torn moat]

I'm generally less a fan of graia. I'm not saying it's bad. But I do think the general player base prefers Agri to Graia (and Columnus to both) for the IAG category.

But I could be wrong on that.

[bitter turtle]

the general playerbase doesnt care about the ones not named ciag

[torn moat]

Truth

[rose ingot]

So of the Columnus pattern of guns, which should I opt for?

[bitter turtle]

gonna be real

[torn moat]

There's only one Columnus IAG

[bitter turtle]

the pattern doesnt really matter because it depends on the family

infantry, braced, headhunter

there is no colu headhunter though

but agri HH is not remotely similar to agri IAG for example

so you cant "recommend a columnus to try"

[torn moat]

Columnus is (arguably) best as IAG.

Columnus Brace Autogun is good, but I think most would argue the Agri Brace or Graia braced do it better.

[radiant chasm]

imo agri is the best brauto, columus best infantry

[bitter turtle]

well

there's not much argument there about the best ones

for those two families

[radiant chasm]

and vraks 3 is the best headhunter

[bitter turtle]

jw

why would both of you call it better than v7

i use both

a lot

[torn moat]

Vraks 3 or 7... 3 is more generalist than 7. But if you're good at clicking heads with the right build, 7 is godly.

[bitter turtle]

if anything i would say v7 is the better one

[last parcel]

isn't that the guy who used to awp for fnatic

[bitter turtle]

im more inclined to say it is not worth comparing them though

[radiant chasm]

vraks7 and vraks 3 are both great in their own ways

but vraks 7 is a single shot dmr and vraks 3 is the burst fire xd

[bitter turtle]

that is exactly why im not inclined to compare them in the first place

but if i had to say one was more "meta" i would be inclined to say v7

it actually carves a niche

[austere pine]

so many inclinations

[bitter turtle]

if you play v3 most of the time you might as well just play ciag or giag

[rose ingot]

As for rolls, how important a stat is mobility?

[bitter turtle]

its almost the same thing except you dont need to headshot maniacs to actually do dmg

[austere pine]

get above 50 and you're good

[bitter turtle]

51 or higher for most weapons but that's all that matters

for some weapons (knife) you can go down to 16 or higher lul

[torn moat]

V3 is a burst fire IAG. Each bullet hits harder, but your rate of fire is slower.
V7 is more of a DMR that benefits best for headshots.

[last parcel]

knife chads stay winning

[rose ingot]

And stopping power?

[bitter turtle]

very important

[last parcel]

aw fuck i dumped first target

[bitter turtle]

i am aware of what they do

[torn moat]

Wrong name I clicked on.

[bitter turtle]

but that is exactly why I say v7 actually has a niche in the metagame

v3 fails to carve out anything actually that meaningful other than "i dont feel like playing iags because"

it has great synergy with weapon specialist but even then it feels like its just playing catch up to ciag

[torn moat]

I personally agree to that. I almost never use V3 if I'm running a Headhunter Auto.

[bitter turtle]

meanwhile v7 can outpace a plasma/revolver with good aim in picking off specialists/elites

at the cost of no cleave

but its a niche

[radiant chasm]

yea but i'm stuck in the glory days of pre nerf vraks 3

just chaining headshots for infinite bonuses

[rose ingot]

I rolled a pretty good CIAG, but the ammo stat rolled only 23%. Keep or toss? The difference is like 50 rounds on an 80% roll.

[proven plaza]

braced guns ar egarbage you can hipfire every last gun

[bitter turtle]

take a picture

of it

[bitter turtle]

oh

its a grey?

just keep rolling

lol

[torn moat]

Haha. Yeah.

[rose ingot]

Just messing around with new weapon types

[bitter turtle]

i mean

you can live with low ammo stat

ig

i just think its pointless to settle when you can easily do better

its not like the stability matters that much even

[rose ingot]

Fair

[torn moat]

I'd try to get ammo at least at/above 50%... It's not super important, but you do need some rounds.

[bitter turtle]

not really a hard weapon to roll

[uncut pebble]

It's a very nice mod because I like the laspistol sights and I can put them on helbores and revolvers.

[rose ingot]

This is what I’ve been rocking the past couple rounds

[torn moat]

Base stats are nice, but the perks and blessing could be better.

[rose ingot]

Perks I’d imagine I’d wanna opt for damage against flak and unarmored enemies?

[austere pine]

unarmored is very niche

it sounds nice but many weapons don't really benefit from it because overkilling dudes in shirts does nothing to benefit you

[hollow ibex]

jfc screenshot next time please

[austere pine]

meanwhile you could be getting a breakpoint to oneshot bruisers or mutants

[rose ingot]

Console player moment

[tall torrent]

So the skin is no longer visible to other players?

[bitter turtle]

no

its visible to others

99% of cases mods never affect other players

[gilded rock]

skill issue

[bitter turtle]

im saying for you the new model doesnt do anything cause you can just create it in the wep customization menus in the first place

[tall torrent]

So the skin stays visible to others, and only the optic is visible to myself (skin model unchanged if I don’t change)?

[bitter turtle]

from my experience the mod just default sit to the base model

yes

[last parcel]

forget the laspistol sights, use the chainsword scope

[bitter turtle]

everyone else sees whatever skin you have equipped

you yourself see whatever you customized

[uncut pebble]

I have gotta say that is the worst possible thing I could imagine coming from this mod.

[tall torrent]

Ok that’s not that bad

[tall torrent]

There’re people who unironically enjoy using test tube 3000 as their sights with this mod

[uncut pebble]

I absolutely hate that. I can see absolutely nothing other than what I'm aiming directly at.

Surely target acquisition is awful?

[rose ingot]

How y’all feel about the Lucius

[last parcel]

yes

[uncut pebble]

Helbores are alright.

[tall torrent]

Lucius the Lasgun pattern or Lucius the character

[bitter turtle]

yes its basically unplayable

ive tried it

lol

[uncut pebble]

Need to be grabbing them later in levels, though. At lower stats they just suck tbh.

[rose ingot]

Helbore lasguns

[tall torrent]

They’re generally pretty good

[austere pine]

not enough words in the world to describe my hate for the character

and that doesn't reach even a fraction of what i feel towards erebus

and i'm a csm fan

[uncut pebble]

Lucius, the character, confuses me. How does an explosive decide who he possesses if he dies to one?

[bitter turtle]

its not

really a rule

[bitter turtle]

slaanesh just resurrects him just because they find it funny

[rose ingot]

As for them, how’s this one? I’ve had it for a while but never done much with it

[bitter turtle]

that's it

[austere pine]

since when do chaos gods play fair

[uncut pebble]

Inb4 Hadron bricks your gun.

[tall torrent]

If you have nothing better, this’ll have to do

[uncut pebble]

Actually it's already bricked.

25% unarmored damage.

Stats are fairly good, though.

What a shame.

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is fine

Easier access to Dreg gunner 1HS

It’s not optimal but it’s not completely unusable

[rose ingot]

Can’t really change it now. It’s… alright. I’m not a fan of the sights but meh

[tall torrent]

If u have nothing better, this’ll have to do

[uncut pebble]

Weapon customization mod can fix that for ya right quick.

[tall torrent]

But it’s far from perfect

[rose ingot]

Of the helbores, which variant is better?

[uncut pebble]

Don't use the mk3.

[gilded rock]

Also dreg ranged trash but I assume that's already easy for helbore

[rose ingot]

Console player. No such luck

[uncut pebble]

Oof.

Unfortunate.

[tall torrent]

Depends on what u prefer

[rose ingot]

Indeed

[tall torrent]

Mk1 and mk2 are fairly similar

[gilded rock]

Jailbreak (/j)

[austere pine]

mk1 more dmg mk2 faster

[tall torrent]

Mk2 shoots faster with a bit less Dmg (slightly worse breakpoints)

[uncut pebble]

The reason you don't want the mk3 is because the bayonet attack sucks.

[rose ingot]

Noted

[uncut pebble]

Instead of poking something you like, grab your gun like an axe and chop them with the bayonet.

[tall torrent]

I also wouldn’t recommend Helbore for beginners

They’re not very intuitive to play at a beginner level

[rose ingot]

I’m not quite a beginner, just uneducated

[uncut pebble]

Personally, I prefer the mk2.

[tall torrent]

The idea is that u have a melee attack on your gun that kills mutants, flamers & hounds (which charge at you)

[uncut pebble]

But it's very slight differences between them between 1 and 2.

[tall torrent]

You still need horde clear centric melee weapons

And it’s not that amazing at killing armor

It just does ok

[uncut pebble]

They're very ammo efficient with the shock trooper perk down towards your left keystone.

Did an entire damnation mission without going under half and never picked up ammo.

Only pulled out my shovel to kill a couple crushers.

[rose ingot]

So I don’t muck up my gear further - how should I go about acquiring better stuff? Do I want to just get mission rewards, or should I opt for Melk’s random shop, use Hadron to upgrade or just reroll…? Help me out here.

[uncut pebble]

Blessing hunting is buying items from Brunt and upgrading to blue. If you grab something with good stats, keep it. Then when you've run out of money/materials, compare what you've got. You might pull something that can be tweaked twice and be perfect.

Like, let's say you pull a lucius mk2 with weight of fire 4 and carapace damage with decent stats.

If you look through your other stuff and find surgical at a high level, you can just take that one and change your not carapace perk. Boom, perfect helbore.

[rose ingot]

Surgical and Weight of Fire being the optimum choice?

[uncut pebble]

I would figure, yeah. Surgical increases crit chance based on time in ADS and weight of fire decreases charge time when ADS.

You would basically be a crit machine gun.

That would also make your ammo economy even better with shock trooper because basically every shot would be a crit.

[rose ingot]

I get it! Okay, that makes perfect sense.

[rigid pilot]

Surgical is optional for the fast helbores, but if you are using helbores you would use the thiccest one or the mid one for the bayonet

[uncut pebble]

Just prepare yourself for Hadron to break your ideal setup.

[rose ingot]

How’s this to start?

[uncut pebble]

I would say that's alright.

Not even kidding when I say, aside from perks, the one on my screen is literally +/- a few percents in each category, and it's the one I'm using until I pull weight of fire.

[rose ingot]

Weight of Fire II on my Mk I is nice but I don’t have a higher grade version of it

Just gotta roll it

[uncut pebble]

I just had a really good stat rolled revolver roll 15% unarmored damage and gloryhunter.

Going to put toothpicks under my toenails and kick a wall now.

[tall torrent]

Not good

Crit dmg is one of the worst perks u can have

[uncut pebble]

Surgical 3 though.

[tall torrent]

Surgical 3 doesn’t make crit Dmg good

[uncut pebble]

I... know..?

[rose ingot]

Rolled 25% dmg to infested enemies as a secondary perk

[uncut pebble]

I wasn't saying it did?

Bricked.

[tall torrent]

Also 67% stopping power

[rose ingot]

Damn

[tall torrent]

That’s bricked

[uncut pebble]

Scrap for surgical.

[tall torrent]

You generally want as high stopping power as u can

[uncut pebble]

It happens.

Just roll with it.

May the Emperor bless you with the rolls my zealout gets.

[rose ingot]

Stats I can sacrifice are stability and ammo in that order, but max dmg/stop/charge, correct?

[tall torrent]

Stopping power > damage > charge rate ≈ ammo
stability doesn’t matter for Helbore

U could have 0 stability and be fine

[rose ingot]

Got it

[uncut pebble]

If youre going to run shock trooper, then ammo means even less with an ideal helbore.

[rose ingot]

I already do. I usually run a Kantrael 1a

[tame lodge]

HH 9 ads zoom

[rose ingot]

Curious, can you still cheese On Overwatch by just jumping off a ledge and having the rest of your team carry?

Or is that patched

It’s the only thing I need for For The Emperor 2 and 3

[austere mica]

Use a fast stagger weapon like shovel

Run a bunch of stamina and toughness

[bitter turtle]

Just do it normally tbh

It's rly not that hard

1st tried it

[austere mica]

I got it accidentally

Just saw the steam achivement pop up and went "How the fuck"

[rose ingot]

I’ve tried at least a dozen times and never gotten it

Skill issue

[bitter turtle]

Just pay attention to backstab noises

And dodge when you do

And hit infiltrate if you do get hit

1st hit is free

Run ghost laspistol and ur immune to guns too

[somber axle]

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 10 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[rose ingot]

Okay noted! That is a huge help. Thank you.

[modern fern]

@rose ingot im doing On Overwatch too wanna party up on it ?

[sinful swallow]

If you still have trouble

Do what he said but in a malice cdr maelstrom mission

With curios you have insane uptime on either being invisible or threat reduction

[rose ingot]

You on Xbox?

[modern fern]

pc

[rose ingot]

Is darktide cross play?

[last parcel]

yes

idk about parties though

[modern fern]

we could ask in lfg

[vernal sundial]

you can add friends and invite across platforms, yes

[modern fern]

Beekeeper wanna try to get it ?

[abstract moth]

Tbh the penance I can't seem to do is 40 kills in 10 secs and use stun grenades on zealot max I did is 36, the fact that is my least favorite class doesn't help keeping me motivated

Also guys now that I got to 4000 points Hestia treats the characters differently which is a pretty neat detail

[sinful swallow]

Karnac twins in the room where they double team you first time on at least malice

A horde spawns Everytime and climbs the fence from behind

There's about 45 on malice

Either that or any high int on the torrent as you're going through the sewers

Take flamethrower

Or end of smelter event at extraction if you can kite the endless horde about 70 will build up if you have a shield ogryn friend for max easy

[abstract moth]

Like can you believe 3 times in a row matches, I get 3 finn gunogryns and okay is alright they're trying to have fun but by the mtfkin emperor they throw the big boom right after I stun a dam gigantic horde, like if they do it on purpose, is very discouraging

[sinful swallow]

Honestly I believe it 100% lmao

It happened every time I tried to set up bull rush until I did it with friends

I can't even be mad though

While it's a waste to use on a horde there's something so satisfying about the screen just evaporating

[late hatch]

Flame grenade and a flamer, wait for a good horde spawn and nade the spawn and then just hold down the trigger until your flamer is empty

[abstract moth]

How if need to stun them first, can't have both type of grandes kek

[late hatch]

Isnt the stun just for sniper? Or is there another penance for killing stunned enemies?

I would probs say get a ogryn team mate with bullrush, get them to charge through a horde as you stun nade it, then flame them all

after the bullrush they will be almost dead

[sinful swallow]

The fire evaporates them anyways

[abstract moth]

But yeah my strategy was using stun then flamethrower, haven't had much luck tho I've always tried it in auric dam, enemies are stronger I suppose.

[sinful swallow]

The issues density and teammates killing

[last parcel]

it’s 40 stunned enemies in 10s

[late hatch]

Heaps of penances are 100x easier on malice

Malice hi int

[sinful swallow]

15 headshots in 10s has entered the chat

[abstract moth]

Yeah I guess malice twins could work never tried that

[abstract moth]

My thought was always more enemies more probability of achieving it because aurics always has high intensity

[late hatch]

Yeah but they have like 2x the hp

[abstract moth]

Like the ones that require a good amount of enemies to kill in a short time

That's true too

[sinful swallow]

120 enemies in 30 seconds has entered the chat

[late hatch]

Malice hi int with a rashad and or flamer. I dont remember even doing this but I did

[abstract moth]

I mean tbh it isn't the shortage of time but more the fact that you have to stun them first and have to be sure to get 40 of them with stun

[late hatch]

Now the fact they left this dogshit in the game, this is a problem.

If you cant get it in normal play it shouldnt be in the game

[abstract moth]

I have to do that, but wouldn't that be easy to do in twins, and bell?

[sinful swallow]

That's an option if you can do heresy hard mode without getting hit

[late hatch]

Speed run low int with a friend and just take the damage at the start then skip most of the level

[sinful swallow]

Id just recommend looking for throneside and running to end though

Use a barrel or first poxwalker to get low and then it's off to the races

[late hatch]

2 speedy boi zealots with knives and invis can skip so much

[sinful swallow]

That's exactly what we did lmao

Enemies have a cap too so if you go fast enough it's an empty map

[abstract moth]

Yeah that's the thing tho to get people, I wish we could do solo private games

[sinful swallow]

I can help you tomorrow

Id be on around 930a est to about 4pm

[abstract moth]

I guess I just don't like the fact that I need to bother others for it, like they could've done privates like vermintide

[sinful swallow]

Idk

I like playing with randoms and I like being able to smash the quickplay button but I also ran an unhealthy amount of solos in l4d2

Does anyone have an opinion on sunder vs brutal momentum on powersword

[late hatch]

Sunder lets you cleave bulwark shields. Bromentum is only really good for unpowered swings, which you shouldnt really be doing

[sinful swallow]

I guess it's really a question of how much do I value the weak spot for unyielding vs bulwark hordes

[abstract moth]

I mean I don't mind playing with randoms, but to gather a group to do something specific is different. In left 4 dead 1 and 2 the most multiplayer I did was couch co op otherwise I was doing solo

[late hatch]

I pug about 90% of the time. Unfortunetly the apac chat is almost always dead and my mates mostly play other games

[sinful swallow]

I'm lucky that I got my friends into darktide, it filled the l4d2 itch for a lot of us

They're just not ready for auric damnation yet lmao

[abstract moth]

The ones I got aren't very good kek and they probably played a few games just to be a good friend

[sinful swallow]

I really hope the itemization update comes the 25th

I feel like that turns away a lot of people even if it doesn't actually matter that much for godroll vs normal (Rashad exception)

[abstract moth]

I mean I want it too, but i don't really care i just play for fun. I still remember when people were complimenting me for having white gear in aurics and then leave hahaha. I'd still play it regardless because is one of my favorite games. I'd wish so much for a vermintide 3

Looking forward for space marine 2

[atomic zephyr]

I just have some gear that I got lucky with and I just play with that

saving a shitload of plasteel I guess

[late hatch]

I have very good to god rolls in most weapons and about 200k plas

[sinful swallow]

The only 2 rolls I actually farmed for were bolter surgical 4 and pc4

[tall torrent]

The left bell skip is normal mode

[sinful swallow]

I didn't know that

[tall torrent]

Yea there’re 2 bells for skip

Left is normal

Right is hard mode

[sinful swallow]

While you're here actually would you be able to help me out with build refinement

[tall torrent]

Which build

[sinful swallow]

I had some breakpoint questions and I'm stuck at work

I run psword and bolter with an over investment into the bolter probably

[tall torrent]

Which breakpoint for Boltgun

[sinful swallow]

I run it surgical flak maniac both 25% with 520 base damage

I take stance and the 30% weakpoint

[muted knot]

Bromentum can be important for the crusher 2 Tap

[sinful swallow]

You can probably figure out exactly my tree because I have focus fire 8 stacks and both .25stam Regen nodes

[tall torrent]

Not true

[tall torrent]

If you’re playing exe, you’re prob going for rager 1 shot

[sinful swallow]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Gunner & flamer are already in 1 shot territory

I think u should be able to 1HS both ragers without PF stacks?

[sinful swallow]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Then yea that’s about as good as Boltgun can get for normal play

[sinful swallow]

I dropped PF because I hit anyways for gloryhunter

[tall torrent]

I think PF is still good just for general DPS increase

[sinful swallow]

I was wondering if I'm missing any breakpoints on the psword since I'm not investing in any talents for it

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter’s numbers aren’t great for Boltgun

[tall torrent]

As long as u can 2 hit all elites I’d consider that good enough

2 hit both ragers

[sinful swallow]

Fair enough

[tall torrent]

2 hit crusher, reaper & bulwark

If u rly want to push it

1 hit both shotgunners

[sinful swallow]

For the horde clear part of it especially with sunder vs brutal, how does hit mass affect the cleave damage

Or does it work by literal amount of targets hit with hit mass being when it stops

[tall torrent]

u lose a bit of dmg for every target the attack cleaves through

[misty crypt]

The more targets cleaved through the less damages inflicted to the next target, to the point the cleave is stopped

[tall torrent]

this is called cleave dmg distrubition and it varies per weapon

BM carries first target dmg to up to 4 enemies with weakspot kills

[sinful swallow]

Ok so if I'm trying to just swipe max amount of things per, brutal > sunder since you get 4 first target?

Yeah

[tall torrent]

so the first 4 enemies u hit take no cleave dmg falloff

[frank ether]

I keep being sold about sunder and I just prefer bm in practice

every, single, time

[tall torrent]

sunder is for ragers, maulers & crushers

sunder is especially strong vs scab ragers

because energized light staggers them out of combo

and scab rager has really high mass

[frank ether]

even so I'm not gonna light attack spam to deal with those enemies

Honestly PS light staggering elites is rather goofy in my eyes

PS is a goofy ah weapon

[tall torrent]

on a decent roll, u can hit up to 2 scab ragers before u run out of cleave

with sunder, u hit 4

and stagger all 4

[frank ether]

I've been goofing around with longsword powersword

[sinful swallow]

If I have 4 in front of me though I'm probably exec standing and purging with bolter

[misty crypt]

I play my veteran with the power sword to deal with lesser ennemies and swap to revolver to deal with the others anyway (I use the right part of the tree)

[midnight totem]

If I have four infront of me I'm dancing with them all

[frank ether]

realistically you'd be aiming to single them out as you dodge to create distance

the fact that you can just light spam like a brainlet is funny

vet is a funny class

[sinful swallow]

This does sound really niche useful though

[midnight totem]

I start with heavies

[tall torrent]

realistically u press VoC, stagger all, drop 2 frags and wipe everything within 10m of u

[frank ether]

powersword is at such a point you don't even need PC4 for it to be a viable weapon

[tall torrent]

[sinful swallow]

V C

[frank ether]

the only reason I don't run it over some other stuff is well.. wheelchair

[misty crypt]

Accurate 😂

[sinful swallow]

Ive been trying to stay away from VoC

[midnight totem]

Actually, my twin frag grendier build wipes everything

[sinful swallow]

It made me really lazy

[misty crypt]

I forgot the grenades too often as veteran but I play psyker more

[frank ether]

I've made up my mind

I'll be running VoC regardless of how much it gets nerfed

[sinful swallow]

Swapping off of it

[frank ether]

I just don't like the other two ults and I'm tired of pretending like I do

[sinful swallow]

The thing I honestly missed the most

[misty crypt]

Those are the angriest voicelines anyway, consider the style points

[sinful swallow]

Was staggering monsters for burst weakpoint bolter dumping

[misty crypt]

Style > stats

[midnight totem]

Next patch, voc no longer boosts toughness, taunts enemy aggro instead

[frank ether]

VoC is the only ult that makes gameplay sense to me, and while I really really want to like infiltrate it just doesnt fit in gameplay outside of gameboy events

[misty crypt]

Taunts really? Noooo

It's directed at bolstering the team not aggroing the ennemies 😢

[sinful swallow]

Exec stance doesn't jive with you?

[rigid pilot]

Aggros your teammates

[midnight totem]

Infiltrate is for clutching

[trim steppe]

Hey the Ogryn taunt ult is amazing, it would still be amazing on vet as long as it staggers

[frank ether]

I rule out any weapon that needs exe for breakpoints

Its just bad gameplay in my eyes

[sinful swallow]

I built it in exclusively for insta deploy bolter

[frank ether]

if this game is going to move in a direction where ammo econ is going to matter

exec will only get more and more garbage

[midnight totem]

Infiltrate is for suppressing a line of gunners and popping out in the middle of them like baba yaga

[misty crypt]

Myeah but the ogryn has a lot of defensive options and is somewhat designed to be in the storm, the veteran likes a bit more space most of the time

[frank ether]

It conditions vet players into tunnel visioning with gun

instead of playing more dynamic

[sinful swallow]

That part is definitely true

[tall torrent]

exe stance has 2 bad travel nodes and forces 1~2 points to make it good

[sinful swallow]

Also true

I also HATE how grenade Regen isn't with survivalist

[frank ether]

The ''it gives instant weapon swap'' upside is literally irrelevant because both VoC/infiltrate give you the opening to weapon swap in peace regardless, hell you can even reload your weapon in peace.

[tall torrent]

if exe stance had better travel nodes I'd prob like it a bit more

[rigid pilot]

Exe needs to do something more than just damage

[frank ether]

Just gut it

[sinful swallow]

RELOAD SPEED

[tall torrent]

it does a lot of things more than dmg alrdy

[frank ether]

There is no saving exe stan

Its a relic from a distant past

[rigid pilot]

Something that makes me play the game differently*

[midnight totem]

Easy way to fix exec stance

[frank ether]

The only thing people like about it is the highlight feature because this game has terrible visibility for a lot of setups

[midnight totem]

Instant reload. No removal on weapon swap