veteran-class

[tall torrent]

One of us @bitter turtle

[somber axle]

It also has the speed I require

Knife and Infantry Lasgun felt so satisfying last night

[tall torrent]

MG4 I’d go Ghost + HH/BTE

[hearty panther]

thats my smyker loadout

[somber axle]

I think mine has HH/DA

[hearty panther]

mg4 kinda has poopy blessings

[somber axle]

Love when the AI director wants to be goofy and spawn silly numbers of specials one after the other through a door so I can just cut them all down with las fire

[candid agate]

glad yall are seeing the beauty of infantry rifles

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/lmaooo-gif-21440611

I still main Recon Mk VId just because obliterating a Crusher's face with laser vomit is a level of satisfaction unmatched for me

But Mk IV may be my fav of the Infantry Lasguns

[tall torrent]

I actually think ghost + BTE is not a bad choice for it, makes it prob the lowest point cost gun u can run on veteran that actually kills everything that’s not mauler, crusher & bulwark

You don’t need determined if u have BTE and u can sorta just randomly hipfire for 1HS to kickstart BTE uptime

[hearty panther]

i mean its ok but as psyker specifically i have shield to negate suppression and vet has three solutions of their own

opening salvo is the pits and infernus is ok i guess

[tall torrent]

It works without survivalist or shock trooper because it has practically infinite ammo

[hearty panther]

not a lot of real damage options

[tall torrent]

For Psyker I think ur sorta hard stuck on HH/Ghost + DA for it

No respite doesn’t do anything for mg4

[somber axle]

If only it could be juiced into harming carapace

[tall torrent]

Infernus is cringe

[hearty panther]

actually i do use no respite

and its cause lightning

[somber axle]

I would bring a Mk IV into no ammo Maelstrom with Shock Trooper and Efficiency/Headhunter to really stretch the ammo

[hearty panther]

zap them off their feet and shoot, no respite applies

its fun

[tall torrent]

That’s a crazy interaction

[somber axle]

Actually nevermind not efficiency

[hearty panther]

would be more fun if psyker had a fukken SHOTGUN

[tall torrent]

Am not putting it in my guide

[somber axle]

I looked at the blessing again

[tall torrent]

Efficiency is peak dogshit lol

[hearty panther]

GIMME A SHOTGUN

[somber axle]

They need to reduce the CD on Efficiency to 1-2 seconds

[tall torrent]

Efficiency IV is -1 ammo consumption for 1 shot every 4s

[somber axle]

And make it reduce the cost of shots for the first 2-3 seconds of firing when activated

[tall torrent]

Efficiency would need to be actually infinite ammo for me to consider it

[somber axle]

Yeah the current iteration is just nonsense

[tall torrent]

Honestly change it to smth like
Ranged weakspot hits reduce all ammo cost down to 1 for next 4 / 4.5 / 5 / 5.5 seconds

At least it would be engaging

And it would actually be infinite ammo

[somber axle]

That would be a good idea

[hearty panther]

just delete it honestly

[tall torrent]

Or delete it yea

[hearty panther]

its not really worth saving

[somber axle]

Add more bad blessings to the roster

Also my only problem with the Mk IV is that it feels awful to use against literally any monstrosity

Even with HH/DA

[tall torrent]

MG4?

[somber axle]

Yes

[tall torrent]

That’s fine, it’s not rly a monster gun

You bring knife for a reason

[somber axle]

I was putting shots into a Plogryn head and realised my Recons do ok boss damage when compared to the Mk IV

[hearty panther]

My issue is that it hits flak for peanuts

but i get that thats the tradeoff it has

[tall torrent]

MG4’s purpose is to have infinite ammo + insane firing uptime in any fight + reliable successive headshots + fast ADS speed

[hearty panther]

a scab shooter is tankier than a mutie so far as the mg4 is concerned

[somber axle]

This sounds good up until a Tauntgryn hits taunt in lights out next to a Daemonhost then turtles up behind his shield letting everyone eat corruption for his mistake

Felt useless trying to help kill it

[tall torrent]

DA also isn’t like the most impactful +DPS blessing for MG4 tbh

It doesn’t rly hit that hard

[somber axle]

Absolutely an amazing weapon for general elite/special clearing and fantastic at hunting down ranged enemies of all kinds but you might as well pretend the Mk IV doesn't exist during a boss fight other than for dealing with disablers that wander in

[tall torrent]

Except BoN

U can shoot BoN forever and never worry abt ammo

But dmg is not good yes

[hearty panther]

infernus is for the monsters

u can bump that dps from 1.5k to 1.9k

very substantial and totally worth

[somber axle]

Yeah the ammo not being a concern is nice and the fast draw to fire and surprisingly effective accuracy even when hip firing is very comfortable but you NEED to bring a melee that can hurt monstrosities if you bring it

[hearty panther]

still wish it was better at hipfire

[somber axle]

I did Kraks + Grenadier + Tinkerer + Bring It Down and still felt like I was barely helping in boss fights other than the kraks chunking off boss HP

Charge in and knife it down I guess

I'm going to go all in and get twinned blast

[hearty panther]

i feel like i shouldnt need to ADS to hit a target at 10m in the open but you kinda have to after the third shot or so

[somber axle]

Go extra funny gambling mode

Double krak throw three times in a row please

https://tenor.com/view/playing-snow-snow-looking-for-something-wag-tail-cat-gif-15965641

[tall torrent]

They need to tune down infantry lasguns’ hipfire’s maximum expansion

[somber axle]

Just shoot the head and they go down in 1

[tall torrent]

There’s no reason a gun as compact as MG4 should have 10x worse hipfire than Laspistol when it's only like 1.5x the size

[somber axle]

Unless you mean like Elite Scab Gunner

Then you might need an extra headshot or two

I usually just aim head height when entire columns of gunners or shotgunners walk through a chokepoint and watch them drop

[radiant chasm]

yes, those are scab shooters, not gunners (the non elites)

the shooters that don't take cover and more likely to approach and circle the players are scab stalkers

[somber axle]

Huh? But the kill feed names them as Gunners when you shoot them yeah?

[radiant chasm]

yes, the elites are gunners

there is only elite scab gunner

[tall torrent]

stalkers are 50% the reason I value ghost greatly over DA

[somber axle]

Non-Elites are a non-threat because they go down with 1 tap to the head every time

[torpid grotto]

Ghost is so awesome on mostly ranged

[somber axle]

It's just the number of them and how they spread out around a room behind cover that makes killing them all in a timely manner troublesome when higher priority threats are out and about

[torpid grotto]

I love just standing still out in the open

[radiant chasm]

except spread out in large numbers while you are dealing with other shit

[somber axle]

I just clown dance dodge

I want them to shoot because I love getting to dance

The sound queue for whenever an enemy is either going to shoot at you or swing at you is an instant dodge from me

Ok funny thing

[torpid grotto]

Thats a braced pistol to work around atoma gun laws

[tiny summit]

Be funny if they release a family of bayonet infantry lasguns

[wide pike]

How it feels to res someone using voice of command:

[dawn garnet]

(that person prolly wouldnt have died anyways if voc wasnt on cooldown for most of the game)

[upper lichen]

whats difference between mk3 & mk6 psword?

[candid agate]

mk6 has a really good push attack and overhead combo

mk3 does not

[upper lichen]

ah ty, no redeeming qualities for mk3 then? lol

[candid agate]

not compared to mk6

but its still good

[sinful swallow]

It's illisi at home

[tiny summit]

I was rez'd during the first week of that fire change and was insta-killed

[tiny summit]

Kinda quicker charge up animation. Mk6 has its push attack as a standout. If just mashing special lights, mk3 I guess wins out

[rocky jacinth]

you can put sunder on mk3 and spam yea

[median crest]

What power sword do you guys prefer?

[tall torrent]

Mk3 sunder with heavy attacks hits ragers a bit better

[somber axle]

Power Sword III has some very satisfying horizontal sweeping heavies that feel good for clearing crowds but it's probably only marginally better than Mk VI for clearing chaff while putting you at more risk because the Mk VI light spam for horde clear is much safer even if it kills a bit less per swing

Mk VI has the fun push attack stab though

I am not a power sword enjoyer but I slightly prefer the III just because I like the feel of it more for clearing crowds with charged heavies vs the charged light spam of the Mk VI

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

sunder mk3 is kinda legit

you can see right after i did sunder mk6 heavies and its not nearly as good

[hallow parrot]

I prefer taking out only in death and just VoC and nade if I need to help someone up

[somber axle]

I play Executioner's Stance. If he dies, he dies. He can take a moment to think about how he fell while on his knees before the break dancing clown wiggles across the room to pick them up

If someone needs Voice of Command to survive, they have a lot more to worry about than Voice of Command on CD

Voice of Command should be supplementing your survivability, not being your almost exclusive source of it

Gotta learn dodging, blocking, positioning, target priority, map awareness and general situational awareness

If you blame a button every time you fall, you will fall every time you encounter the problem

Learn the solution and the problem disappears

there is no solution to Taugryn

[dawn garnet]

i kinda need it as vet tbh

[bitter turtle]

that's a good way to think of your own survival, but i think he was referring more to carrying other ppl

cant really force other ppl to learn

especially not in the spanof 1 game

[dawn garnet]

for other classes i dont assume the vet has it but its nice

[hallow parrot]

Yeah if anything only in duty detracts from the crutchiness of VoC

[hearty panther]

i dont expect anything from my teammates, lul

[hallow parrot]

and I'm gonna crutch the hell in

[hearty panther]

most of the time theyre good tbh

but if i get netted and my teammates "sucks" because they wont instantly unnet me

[dawn garnet]

yeah getting trapped is on you

[hearty panther]

i shouldnt have gotten netted should i

only one part of that is fixable by my hand

... or hands

[hallow parrot]

tbf, shiz happens

[hearty panther]

or fingies

and thumb?

[dawn garnet]

though i play zealot and psyker 90% of the time so i will go pee sword pee gun pee shout pee tag and peekraks

[hallow parrot]

which is why I like being able to spam when someone gets netted or a hound just yeets in from the other side of the map

[hearty panther]

a yes the huge PPPPP build

[dawn garnet]

no way ill fall down with 7 crutches

[hallow parrot]

also VoC is great to help in situations where people aren't controlling the ranged elites 'cause I guess cool kids don't tag anymore

[hearty panther]

VoC is just dummy

[hallow parrot]

either 'cause you're caught by a gunner in the open or a flamer slips by and needs to be corrected

[hearty panther]

i quickplay'd into an ongoing and it was all of us using VoC and man

i shouldve honestly dodged out

[hallow parrot]

+200 overtoughness boii

[dawn garnet]

it stacks too doesnt it?

[hearty panther]

we got as much reckless action out of it as we could but like

[hallow parrot]

yas

[hearty panther]

shit that was boring

[dawn garnet]

[bitter turtle]

ya i mean

i have

almost

gotten pissed once at my teammate

got netted

they were busy fucxking with a sniper instead of picking me up from complete safety and cov er

but

i just told myself i should have not gotten netted

after almost saying something in chat to them

lol

its th eonly sane way to play this game

[dawn garnet]

man i legit dont know why people play vent purge if they struggle so much with snipers

[bitter turtle]

no point in malding over things out of your control

[dawn garnet]

had two people DIE 7 times in one game

[hallow parrot]

I haven't gotten much vent purge, but people usually just pug

it's the same reason nobody tends to check for scriptures in heresy, and I get it.

[steep nexus]

I’ve never heard any toxicity tbh

[hallow parrot]

At most I'll just quit if I can see a game is going to go sideways fast

but there's no point to malding over it

[steep nexus]

Yeah, mald only really happens in competitive games, I find

[hallow parrot]

it has to be said that the rushiness of games tends to taper off towards the weekend

[dawn garnet]

i usually pub but i like vent/power outage sniper gauntlets

[torpid grotto]

Level 400 player that got downed 5 times, i save them every time

6th time theyre about to casualty and ragequit

[somber axle]

This exactly. I don't get mad if my team mate didn't notice I was netted. I get mad at myself for not hearing the trapper wind up noise and dodging in time

Nets and dogs are a way of just forcing you to stop and pay attention to what is going on

[dawn garnet]

maybe their wife left them and darktide is the only thing that can get their mind off it

[somber axle]

It's a very good survivability tool while you're learning the ropes but the moment you know you don't need it is when you don't use it and you're totally fine

[torpid grotto]

I see why his wife left

QUITTEEERR

[upper lichen]

which one

[dawn garnet]

eh i just dont enjoy vet as much as other classes

i just do 1/2 auric a week on vet for weeklies

[somber axle]

I went on a date with someone who wanted me to watch Airplane with them and it gave me a new fantastic quote: "I can't be with someone I can't respect" LMFAO

[tall torrent]

1st

Easily

[somber axle]

Different strokes. Vet is my fav class by far and I felt the sting of not being able to delete anything in Line of Sight when I played Zealot, Ogryn and even Psyker. They're all good in their own ways but being able to shoot anything anywhere anytime and put it down ezpz is a thing I rely on. Being an Ogryn with Shovel/Ripper Gun when a Sniper is across the map high up on a ledge behind cover sniping will make you very mad

[median crest]

Do I rip power cycler off?

Or is this perfectly fine?

[steep nexus]

I also can’t be with someone who doesn’t respect themselves!

[torpid grotto]

Thats pretty baller

Baller power sword

[median crest]

Hadron not bricking the first try is pretty surprising

[somber axle]

I'd keep it if you don't have something better you can put PC4 on

If you have a better sword that just needs PC4 then yeah rip it

[median crest]

Nope

Any perk recommendation besides Carapace + Maniac on it?

[somber axle]

Keep it for now then. I'd change crit chance and Rampage. It's good enough to work until you get a better roll and then you can rip PC4

[tall torrent]

This is nowhere perfect but it’s usable

[median crest]

Usable is what I aim for

If I wanted perfect, I'd still be grinding plasteel

[torpid grotto]

Isnt that sword just missing one perk slot

After you put BM on it

[tall torrent]

No

Perfect is elite + maniac, BM/sunder + power cycler 4

[torpid grotto]

Yeah so its just missing one of those perks

[tall torrent]

Missing 1 slot is 25% off from perfect

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

It’s usable, and if that’s fine for them, that’s ok

[torpid grotto]

WhT advantages does ps3 give

Over 6

[tall torrent]

Sunder heavy spam vs rager
That’s about it

[midnight totem]

My first power sword was like this

Swap rampage for bm or sunder

Melee crit for manic

[static nexus]

I still have yet to use a power sword

Perhaps I should give it a go one of these days

[midnight totem]

The unarmored is fine to have

[torpid grotto]

Whats the benefit to sunder

[hallow parrot]

PS are okay

[midnight totem]

You just cleave hordes extra hard

[hallow parrot]

well they are good really, just... bit bland

[sinful swallow]

Sunder does better vs mixed

[bitter turtle]

sunder cxleaves elites better than bromentumn

since bromentum doesnt work if it doesnt oneshot

[static nexus]

I'm just waiting for the Bolter Pistol so I can embrace my inner commissar

[bitter turtle]

and you are probably not oneshotting a rager

or crusher

[static nexus]

Shame I don't have the commissar outfit

[torpid grotto]

It just increases the targets hit, not damage dustribution right?

[static nexus]

Can't wait to hear how the thing sounds

[bitter turtle]

https://youtu.be/mqLFHXK5aaA?si=iFAov4cBYorBS8Wr

this is a demonstration

in practice you can refer to the rager thing i recorded

you can leverage the horizontal heavies to killing 4 rager in 1 charge up

now

is this better than mk6

probably not

its a niche though

[static nexus]

Niche? What's the most popular then?

[bitter turtle]

mk6 can also sunder btw

i just think it might be worth considering sunder mk3, maybe potentially better than mk6 sunder? idk

[bitter turtle]

mk6 bromentum for tee hee light spam

[static nexus]

Ah

[bitter turtle]

and stab elites for 2/1tap

[bitter turtle]

if its a bromentum sword, unarmored doenst do anything

you either oneshot or you dont

and as far as shitty poxwalkers are concerned

you oneshot

i think it might help you onetap gunners or shotgunners or something on a light though

not sure

if it does have an advantage its definitely not hordes though

since bromentum caps at 4 targets

[torpid grotto]

I see

Thx

[midnight totem]

Unarmored does heavy headshot one-shot on dredge gunners

[bitter turtle]

well

there you go

[static nexus]

Say

[bitter turtle]

just wanted to add that it doesnt actually boost horde on a bromentum sword

cant hit harder than a oneshot kill 4

blessing's capped

[midnight totem]

(Which is really important to me because fuck dredge gunners)

[static nexus]

What are the most popular perks with the XIIIg chainsword

[bitter turtle]

wrath+rampage/shjred

only one choice really

i would suggest sticking to mk4 for vet

but

[static nexus]

I suppose

[midnight totem]

Also it makes unpowered attacks a lil stronger and it's quite frankly funny

[static nexus]

I usually use Mark 4

Le speed

[bitter turtle]

mk4 has much better heavies that dont rely on blessings to get going with its cleave

even the light spam isnt that much slower

[torpid grotto]

Does the special apply that consecutive hit brittleness talent with every tuck

Tick

[bitter turtle]

are you asking

does rev apply thunderous

multiple times

the answer there would be no

bleed does though

iirc

[torpid grotto]

I mean the vet talent

Thats 2.5 brittleness stacking 16 times

[bitter turtle]

oh

iirc no they patched it out but i havent tried in ages

[torpid grotto]

Noooooo

That would make bloodletter awesome :(

[bitter turtle]

just tested

nope

[torpid grotto]

:(

[bitter turtle]

let me check

if bleed does

i assumed you meant rev

before it was bleed that procs it

but only single target bleeds

lmao

nope

doe snothing

[static nexus]

Oof

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4cdb64f934b226b7b9113aec330cc64e.jpg

left without, right with onslaught

[static nexus]

I should make a stealth build

[bitter turtle]

i know i cant prove i took it mon/off but you'll have to take my word for it bc im not recording

[white minnow]

he's being paid by big anti-onslaught

[bitter turtle]

shit

u got me

[static nexus]

What a sell out

[torpid grotto]

So lame

[static nexus]

Mods.

Stone them.

For Big E.

[snow pendant]

is been months did smoke grenade have any use now ?

[static nexus]

I dunno

[bitter turtle]

i think they're better than kraks

so yes

[static nexus]

What

BETTER!?!

How can this be

[bitter turtle]

kraks are extremely overrated in the first place

[hallow parrot]

they're basically like a psyker shield you can pop on yourself

not quite but

[static nexus]

I suppose

[hallow parrot]

I mean the reason I'm not using smokes is 'cause I don't want to spend an extra 2 points for it

[bitter turtle]

let me rerecord

er

repost

smokes vs all specialists

in one place

Dogs:

[torpid grotto]

But my funny boss damage and stunlock

[hallow parrot]

everyone and their mothers are packing kraks anyway, half of them are wasted the second a crusher shows up

[bitter turtle]

Flamers:

[hallow parrot]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

Trappers:

[hallow parrot]

the sniper video's the dog video again btw

[bitter turtle]

Mutants:

Bombers:

[somber axle]

If it's just one Crusher and the squad has a lot of anti-Carapace tools I don't even look at Krak

[torpid grotto]

Love when a vet kraks a lone crusher and it dies before the explosion goes off

[bitter turtle]

Tl;dr

dogs and flamers and snipers become absolutely stupid
trappers get range reduced
Bombers mutants dont care

[somber axle]

But for Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet when an entire squad of maulers and crushers round the corner from both in front AND behind, the kraks come into play and thin the crowds

[upper lichen]

i finally caved a few weeks ago at lvl 150 with my vet and i can't go back now

[somber axle]

A lot of the time Vets will toss their krak when it isn't needed and someone else will kill the crusher before the krak grenade even goes off

[hallow parrot]

I mean I've never said it's useless

[bitter turtle]

ah shit

messe dup sniper upload

[hallow parrot]

kraks are very good at what they do

[bitter turtle]

Snipers:

[static nexus]

Perhaps I SHOULD try it

[torpid grotto]

It seems like it makes trappers even more dangerous. You cant see them until theyre right on you

[static nexus]

See what I'm missing out on

[hallow parrot]

but sometimes you get a massive crapton of ranged elites that your squad can't even deal with and it buys you some time

[bitter turtle]

idk you can see them fine running up imo

if you're in th smoke

[somber axle]

I know and I didn't mean to imply that with my response to your post. Just that the 500 krak kill penance has a lot of Vets too eager to just toss them at anything and everything that shows up even when they're going to fail to get the kill LOL

[bitter turtle]

the visibility isnt really affected all that much

[upper lichen]

as long as you have power cycler IV and preferably sunder ur gonna have a good time

[hallow parrot]

imagine tagging elites

[bitter turtle]

also kraks are

[torpid grotto]

On my low graphics smoke is much denser

[bitter turtle]

terrible

against crowds

[static nexus]

Le good times with shocky sword

[bitter turtle]

of crushers even

[hallow parrot]

they can buy you some time with a revive and if you clonk a heavy with it you erase them. I mean I've seen worse.

[bitter turtle]

doesnt even kill multiple crusher here and they are adjacent to each other

they need to be pushed in by terrain for multikills

and that's just not reliable

[upper lichen]

would frags work any better in that situation?

[torpid grotto]

Is that with the upgraded damage

[bitter turtle]

yes

[bitter turtle]

it would knock all of them down, so as long as your melee can kill th em, yes

you can just stab all 3 to death with a knife in 3 seconds or smthing

[hallow parrot]

I'd like to experiment with frag nades instead but, again, my build just goes through krak and I don't want to spend 2 extra points on the detour

[torpid grotto]

I love kraks for bulwark trains

[bitter turtle]

the boss stunlock is legit though

but

[somber axle]

I swap grenades depending on build. Shredder Frags are very, very effective for clearly mixed waves

[bitter turtle]

i also feel like kraks are rated highly bc some people dont have strong loadouts

[somber axle]

They're just borderline useless on Crushers beyond staggering them

[bitter turtle]

so crushers might actually feel threatening?

instead of die in under 1 second to your melee

if your melee cant kill carapace then ig knocking them down wont help much

[torpid grotto]

Crushers are big pinatas

[somber axle]

If I'm using something like Kantrael Infantry Lasguns I bring Krak to help chew through anti-armour because my ranged option is a no-go for Carapace so I'm entirely reliant on my melee for Carapace if I don't go Kraks

But for builds with Boltgun, Recon Mk VId, Helbores, etc. that all have strong anti-Carapace I go Shredder Frags or Smokes

A lot of people running meta builds have strong anti-Carapace baked into both their melee and ranged options so kraks are redundant

Power Sword/Plasma both tear through Crushers so kraks are unnecessary

[bitter turtle]

i thin kits hard to find a melee that cant kill carapace nowadays

is why they are kinda eh

i mean

[somber axle]

But if you are using Devil's Claw you will enjoy Kraks a LOOOOT more

[bitter turtle]

its literally what

dclaws?

and that's about it

powercreep baby

[torpid grotto]

The main point of krak to me is skipping awkward and time consuming bulwarks

[somber axle]

I bring Kraks for Chainsword too

[static nexus]

Saturday

[bitter turtle]

i could see that yeah, though i feel like a chs build naturally tends toward a very powerful gun

[static nexus]

I peaceful day to play Danktide

[bitter turtle]

so you end up not needing it either

[somber axle]

They're also pretty weak to Crusher killing unless you go for a funny Desperado/Bloodthirsty crit build to 1HKO them on rev'd heavy head strike

[bitter turtle]

since chs' main benefit is not needing to take any melee talents on the tree to work well

[somber axle]

And like

[bitter turtle]

so you probably took like every gun talent on the tree or smthing and just shoot it to death

[somber axle]

No one is turning Chainsword into a Crusher killing weapon other than me just because I think it is funny LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

no one except zealots you mean 😔

[somber axle]

Even basic shovel gets Uncanny to not be totally awful at slapping Crushers yeah?

[bitter turtle]

they do like 1k per swing at max uncanny

[tall torrent]

DC, chainsword, tac axe, standard shovel

[somber axle]

Fold Shovels are just going to delete Crushers anyway

[bitter turtle]

so its honestly far from being terrible

[bitter turtle]

taxes are fine against carapace

at least shred ones

[tall torrent]

not particularly great kill time in my experience

[bitter turtle]

i light spam them to death pretty fast

[tall torrent]

maybe mk4 is better cuz shred + HT light spam

[somber axle]

Like standard shovels are not good as anti-Carapace but they can sorta smack around a single Crusher

[tall torrent]

but mk2 and mk7 with BM set-up take quite a while

[somber axle]

Good luck on Crusher trains though

[bitter turtle]

fair enough

i only run mk4

[tall torrent]

the ttk is not fast enough to be considered effective

[somber axle]

I love shovel

Lovel shovel

[tall torrent]

with enoguh time u can 2 rev heavy with chainsword

doesn't mean they're effective

[bitter turtle]

i thinnk that's not a good comparison

2rev isnt terrible for ttk honestly

[torpid grotto]

I consider uncanny illisi effective on carapace

[bitter turtle]

its terrible because the entire time of that ttk you're stuck standing still

on a crusher train that is dangerous

[tall torrent]

psyker melee is just stupid overtuned in basically every metric

[somber axle]

Yeah agreed. Only passable when you have to take care of 1 Crusher without too much extra heat to worry about but otherwise it's not an option. Anymore than 2 Crushers and you might as well use kraks or an anti-Carapace ranged weapon instead

[somber axle]

I found a funny build that consistently 1HKOs Crushers back to back to back

On Chainsword XIIIg

But it's not good because you sacrifice wave clear for Crusher killing

[rocky jacinth]

I think Kraks are hands down the worst grenade in the entire game.
Unless you actually need them, then they're invaluable

[bitter turtle]

also

[somber axle]

And like at that point why even take Chainsword

[bitter turtle]

i think standard shovel is fine

[tall torrent]

bloodthirsty + carapace + elite?

[bitter turtle]

sec

[somber axle]

I didn't need Elite afaik. I'm not even sure I needed Carapace. I think I just took a bunch of melee perks on the talent tree and used it with Bloodthirsty

I am at work so I cannot verify until later

[tall torrent]

they have fun ragdoll

[somber axle]

But you also end up stuck in the Rev animation

[civic knot]

Does this want deadshot?

[somber axle]

Being vulnerable during a Crusher kill is not something I like

[tall torrent]

no

[bitter turtle]

you would say this is too slow?

[rocky jacinth]

i stand corrected

[somber axle]

I love Deadshot. This does not need it. You have Scattershot. You're good

[bitter turtle]

i feel like its ok

at least fine en ough i would not take krak on standard shovel

[civic knot]

consider: but more crit is more crit, no?

[somber axle]

Yes but if you're firing into a crowd Scattershot is already making sure it's a guaranteed crit

[rocky jacinth]

does that flechette actually do anything

[tall torrent]

9 stacks of decimator

[somber axle]

I haven't touched Flechette so idk if the bleed and burn from Kantrael Shotgun special pairs well

[bitter turtle]

i started at 5

well 6 in that recording

but

i dont think that is that unrealistic

its not like i tookj take a swing

to juice it

[tall torrent]

if decimator wasn't shit yea it'd be fine

[civic knot]

@tall torrent Btw wouldnt lawbringer be better for this blessing setup?

[tall torrent]

that blessing is still bugged

[tall torrent]

lawbringer works better with scattershot + manstopper than flechette imo

flechette is just rly mid in practice

[bitter turtle]

well

what else do you take on standard shovel

all or nothing?

[rocky jacinth]

that shotgun there is like my 100% ideal wife just with no respite over flechette

[tall torrent]

might not be the worst

[civic knot]

isnt it really funny tho for bleed + fire with kantrael? @tall torrent Like, what would be the best setup for a crit heavy kantrael?

[bitter turtle]

i mean

that works too

to 3 tap crusher

either way

its like 2k dps

[tall torrent]

it's funny but not as effective as u think

[bitter turtle]

i think that's fine

[tall torrent]

and honestly

the best set-up for a crit heavy kantrael shotgun

is to take manstopper with throwing knives on zealot

to achieve the funny railgun

[civic knot]

huh? wait does manstopper apply to knives???

[tall torrent]

yea

[civic knot]

dafuk hahahahhaha

thats ridiculous

alright well

[tall torrent]

that's the only rly effective gun zealot synergy imo

but it is very strong

very practical

[civic knot]

what is the very best shotgun setup for veteran

[white minnow]

lore accurate since knives are indeed one of the best things at stopping men

[civic knot]

i love shotties but damn are they hard to make good

[tall torrent]

agripinaa imo

[rocky jacinth]

bro you have the very best shotgun setup

[tall torrent]

but it's turbo ammo hungry

[civic knot]

and run this? @tall torrent

[bitter turtle]

2k dps without crits

[civic knot]

or would u run anything differently

[tall torrent]

exactly that

but

[static nexus]

I could use some soda right about now

[tall torrent]

u kinda need survivalist for agripinaa shotgun

[civic knot]

already got it, almost always

[tall torrent]

would also recommend going focus target for better 1 taps

and going top right path at start

[civic knot]

eh really dont like FT

[tall torrent]

don't bother with close order or confirmed kill

[civic knot]

really enjoy weapon specialist tho

[tall torrent]

get O4B and tac reload

[civic knot]

?? This is my agri shottie build. Really like it but despise the shotguns abysmal cleave

[tall torrent]

yes get out for blood & 5% move speed in top right, skip top middle branch

save 1 point

[civic knot]

sounds like heresy!

[rocky jacinth]

i feel that i have great ammo economy with WepSpec and Agile Engagement even without survivalist on the agripinaa

[civic knot]

say whaaat u always want confirmed kill! right??

[tall torrent]

not entirely

[rocky jacinth]

since it pushes its damage to some crazy levels, enough to one shot most mobs

[tall torrent]

O4B is prob the strongest vet toughness gain talent rn

well, depends but

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6017763fb115acb7d68ee49c64c60d6e.png

this is how i run agri shotty

with a chainsword

[tall torrent]

O4B is up more often than CK is up

[hallow parrot]

I was also hesitant of o4b but that 5% stacks up very quickly.

[bitter turtle]

i liked o4b even back when it was 2.5%

[tall torrent]

O4B is also more immediately impactful

[bitter turtle]

i find volley adept very good for chainign slugs btw

i would take it

[tall torrent]

especially with BM weapons

[rocky jacinth]

i should try O4B but i don't feel good giving up COD and the +1 stam node

[tall torrent]

with knife?

[rocky jacinth]

in general

[tall torrent]

think this way

[civic knot]

@tall torrent Can manstopper + scattershot kantrael be a thing?

[tall torrent]

with O4B on a rashad with BM

you swing once, kill 4 enemies, gain 40% toughness

what exactly outcompetes 40% toughness per swing

[tall torrent]

meme build honestly

[bitter turtle]

dont bo ther

ive tried similar

[tall torrent]

kantrael crits have meh scaling

[bitter turtle]

its shit

[civic knot]

Then what is best setup for kantrael shottie?

[tall torrent]

no respite is good

[bitter turtle]

no respite + scattershot is my preference

[rocky jacinth]

my columbus build stacks tougness damage reduction with COD, Ex Takedown and Iron Will for example

[bitter turtle]

no respite is the only one that's necessary

[tall torrent]

everything else after is less relevant

[bitter turtle]

the 2nd th ing is whatever

[civic knot]

why no respite? cause of burn dmg?

[bitter turtle]

because it adds the most damage

why else

[civic knot]

full bore tho

[bitter turtle]

not gonna be up very often on a kant

and if you want it

just do full bore + no respite

[civic knot]

triggers on first shots on enemies. ergo: better than no respite

[bitter turtle]

no it does not

full bore is a buff applied AFTER you hit the first shot

they both do not apply on the first shot you make in a fight

[tall torrent]

imo
having absurd toughness gain > TDR stack
because the point ot TDR stack is to stay at 100% toughness as much as possible but it has diminishing returns
whereas having absurd toughness gain just keeps u at full toughness almost all the time

[civic knot]

wait. on the one enemy that you hit all pellets? @bitter turtle

[bitter turtle]

yes

watch your buff bar

[rocky jacinth]

I'll try it right now

[tall torrent]

is very mid on kantrael

[bitter turtle]

or better yet

ill just record it for you

[tall torrent]

try it with a power sword / combat axe with brutal momentum

u will not be disappointed

[civic knot]

i thought it was: hit one enemy with all pellets and it gives 20% more dmg for all enemies for the next 5 secs. Guess i got it wrong dayum

[bitter turtle]

tbf to fatshark

it does not even say that

+20% power for 5 seconds when all pellets hit a target

as in

you get the buff

after all pellets hit a target

[tall torrent]

hit all real pellets on 1 enemy and for next 5s (not including the attack u just made) ur ranged attacks have +20% ranged power

[drifting oak]

ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE SPECIALS

[tall torrent]

it's not dmg, it's ranged power

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4ea492585336abad4d296888ed24a0d1.png

that's how much i killed

by myself

in this game

[drifting oak]

jesus christ lmao

[bitter turtle]

400 (four hundred) specialists

they would not stop coming LMAO

[gilded dock]

is las pistol still viable on damnation??

[bitter turtle]

yes

its a solid A tier gun

not top but up there

[drifting oak]

very much yes, it's just Different (tm)

if you use it like an infantry las you will be extremely disappointed

[civic knot]

+20% on just that 1 enemy or any enemy you hit?

[bitter turtle]

its a damage buff

[hallow parrot]

I know the feel

[bitter turtle]

to yourself

you can shoot whatever the fuck you want for 5 seconds and have +20% power

its just a reward for hitting all pellets

[tall torrent]

+20% to all ranged attacks made within buff duration

[bitter turtle]

thats why its meh on kant

you gotta be

real close

to activate full bore

but i mean

not like the others are particularly amazing

so just run it with no respite if you want

i prefer scattershot+ no respite though

easy to proc 5 stacks just by shooting a fire round

[tall torrent]

no respite is the best one

[bitter turtle]

ya

its no respite + whatever

[tall torrent]

everything else are secondary

because kantrael rly has no big synergy with any of them

if speedload existed for shotguns that would be 2nd best pick for kantrael

[bitter turtle]

um scattershot????

jk

[civic knot]

that makes me think it might be better than no respite cause no respite necessitates the enemy being staggered by you already. Whereas full bore is very easily triggerable by going up to any enemy and blasting them

[tall torrent]

yea railgun throwing knife, that's abt it

granted, railgun is very strong

very strong & very fun

[bitter turtle]

you can stagger things

way further

than you can hit all pellets

on a kant

i mean if you really like i t

just run both lmao

not like the other options are stellar

[sinful swallow]

What do you need for railgun I've never heard of this before

[drifting oak]

railgun throwing knife is a goofy ahh meme

[tall torrent]

full bore is very inconsistent on kantrael because the base spread is large

[drifting oak]

it's... not really going to make or break your gaming but it's hilarious to do

[bitter turtle]

no respite can push you right over being able to hit some 2taps

[drifting oak]

but you basically proc ignore hitmass then throw a knife that goes through one million enemies

[tall torrent]

get a shotgun with scattershot + manstopper
stack scattershot to 5
throwing knife carries scattershot's 5 stack of buffed crit chance and inherits manstopper's infinite cleave

[drifting oak]

in a straight line, with a tiny hitbox

[civic knot]

but all you need to do is walk up to any close enemy and blast them and then u have +20% power for 5 seconds in every shot. No stagger necessary for dmg buff

[bitter turtle]

uploaidng an example, sec

[bitter turtle]

ok yes, but you dont always just get to walk up to an enemy casually to blast them at point blank

[civic knot]

fair enough

[drifting oak]

it's impractical because it's hard to hit enough heads with it on perfectly flat terrain to make it "worth bothering"

but it's FUNNY as fuck

[bitter turtle]

example, fullbore doesnt help here (i have it on the shotgun)

but no respite puts in the extra 150? o r so dmg to 2tap

i mean like i said anyway

if you like fullbore

just run it with no respite

[sinful swallow]

Incredible

[bitter turtle]

its not like your other options for 2nd blessing are great

[sinful swallow]

Building this tomorrow morning

[tall torrent]

hitting >1 specialist or elite with throwing knife is considered a W for me given they normally only hit 1

[tall torrent]

u can also use FotF and shroudfield to manually force a crit out

[sinful swallow]

I didn't know throwing knives could crit

[bitter turtle]

those ragers standing in a perfectly straight line better watch out

[civic knot]

Whats better as vet with Kant: No respite + scattershot or flechette + scattershot? Guessing the former

[tall torrent]

if u play BP + scattershot IV max stacks you'd have a combined total crit chance of 90%

[bitter turtle]

dont play flechette scatter

[tall torrent]

former, easily

[bitter turtle]

i mean you can try it

but its a complete

meme

i have one

i can sum it up as

"why kill things in 1 second when you can slowly wait for them to die over 5 🤔???"

that was my experience

[civic knot]

okay final question: any important perks for breakpoints for kantrael with scattershot + no respite?

[tall torrent]

flak

maniac if u can

but mainly flak

[civic knot]

Does maniac give any BPs?

[tall torrent]

because u mostly shoot elite waves with it

[tall torrent]

a little better flamer 1hs range

it's not good at 1 tap special sniping

no matter what

[civic knot]

unyielding not good?

[tall torrent]

are u building the marksman focus boss dmg meme

[civic knot]

nah

[tall torrent]

exactly

[civic knot]

well.... is lawbringer worse than kant? or can it be made better?

[bitter turtle]

lawbringer is better at mulching trash

[hallow parrot]

I vastly prefer lawbringer to kantrael

[bitter turtle]

worse against elites

[hallow parrot]

but that's me

[bitter turtle]

so

it just depends on what you want out of your gun

lawbringer has exactly 1 trick and its shooting into poxwalker hordes at head height

[civic knot]

xd

[tall torrent]

Lawbringer with scattershot + manstopper is not bad

Because Lawbringer has better regular shots

Just worse special

But for stacking scattershot there’s not much difference

[civic knot]

Which one u prefer?

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa

[bitter turtle]

honestly

[civic knot]

hehe same i think

[bitter turtle]

i think kant and lawbringer both dont really have much of a place on vet

[civic knot]

i just hate the shit cleave of agripiina

[bitter turtle]

agri is by far the one that fits vet playstyle the most

[tall torrent]

Because Agripinaa can 1 bodyshot burster at range

[bitter turtle]

dont think of it as a shotgun

think of it as a sniper rifle

because that's what it actually is

[civic knot]

hahahah i do sometimes yeah

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa and Lawbringer lose cleave when u ads

[civic knot]

But like

why not play helbore then hahaha

[tall torrent]

Base cleave is 1.3

ADS cleave is 0.001

[hallow parrot]

I mean you have a number of advantages to the agri

[civic knot]

oh shiiid

[bitter turtle]

agri opens up bulwarks in 1 shot, 1 taps poxbursters, has a fast swap

so plenty of reasons

to play it over hb

[civic knot]

hm yea

[hallow parrot]

wider ADS, no need to charge, uptime can be basically perfect if you manage your reloads

I personally prefer it at what it does over a dmr

[civic knot]

u talking about lawbringer now?

or agri

[tall torrent]

Uptime is nowhere as good as Helbore

[hallow parrot]

agri vs helbore

[hallow parrot]

really

I'll admit, I haven't really touched much of the long range options but the uptime I can manage on an agri is really really nice

since you can basically cancel at any time

[bitter turtle]

i mean

you can shoot the hb

basically nonstop

its infinite ammo

effectively

[tall torrent]

You’re talking about a gun that takes 4~6s to reload and uses 2 shots past 15m to kill priority enemies

Versus a gun that puts out 20+ shots between reloads with much faster reload, a fast melee atk button that easily kills charging mutants, flamers & hounds, and has effectively infinite ammo

[hallow parrot]

I was talking more about sneaking in shells between kills, but obviously a full reload takes forever

[tall torrent]

Yea taking time to load each shot that can 1 tap compared to just having 1 taps always available without loading rounds in

[hallow parrot]

and I find it much more versatile at close range too, but yeah yeah I see what you mean

[tall torrent]

It’s nowhere as good as Helbore in uptime

[bitter turtle]

helbore doesn't do this

sad that it needs a crit now, you are like 500*dmg short without a crit after the bulwark buff

a quick 2nd shot finishes them though

[rocky jacinth]

i tried it with my shooty build and damn you get some crazy toughness regen

[tall torrent]

It’s very good

[rocky jacinth]

only problem is that i think having COD on that particular build is just too good, i'll have to give it a go on something melee oriented later

[tall torrent]

If u look at total kills in a scoreboard and try to add up toughness from those numbers

CK will return higher numbers

But a lot of CK’s toughness is not immediately available

[rocky jacinth]

i don't take enough damage in the first place to justify the insane gains

[tall torrent]

And that’s the other side of it

A lot of CK’s toughness is “overkill” territory

That’s being used when you’re already at full toughness

When you do get hit, O4B gets you back to 100% toughness much quicker than CK does

[bitter turtle]

I don't really value ck's regen dripfeed toughness

I'm not sure it really does much most of the time

Compared to the immediate gain

[tall torrent]

Download power_di and find out

[bitter turtle]

Even if it did

I'm not giving up movespeed

[trim steppe]

Ok I should know this but I don't. Is toughness replenishment the amount of toughness gained from melee kills / toughness granted on kill?

[somber axle]

This makes me want to try Out For Blood with Tunnel Vision and 15 stack Marksman's Focus using a Lawbringer Shotgun Manstopper Scattershot set up with Born Leader to see how silly it can be

Horde evaporation mode engage

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-shotgun-shotgun-rack-gif-18350118

[drifting oak]

It explicitly lets you facetank gunner patrols

[tall torrent]

No

[drifting oak]

like when you have a bad drop and you're inside 10 gunners who don't stop shooting even when in melee range

that big toughness regenfrom confirmed kill is the difference between getting out with 0 hp damage and being either crippled or dead

granted if you simply "never have a bad drop" you can mitigate this need a lot

but i've had my fair share of "and now, enjoy your twenty thousand gunners"

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon ig

Ghost helps vs that kind of situation

Gloryhunter does too

[somber axle]

I love when the AI director spawns them tbh. Turns the room into a shooting gallery in one direction or the other. And if I'm on Vet, it's in their direction

[hallow parrot]

VoCposting

[static nexus]

I think this might be my favorite convo in te game.

[hallow parrot]

honestly infil would work better in that situation

I guess? Or like voc and smokes

[somber axle]

Infiltrate and reposition somewhere more favourable

I wish Smoke grenades and Executioner's Stance were closer

[hallow parrot]

but yeah every bit helps

[somber axle]

They'd be so fun to combo if the talent point tax wasn't so ridiculous

[tall torrent]

In my guide I specify it as different things:
Toughness regen is toughness u get from being in coherency
Toughness gain is non-coherency-sourced toughness

Inspiring presence works for regen
Tunnel vision is a multiplier to “gain”
Ogryn’s FNP keystone & lynchpin talent are for regen

[trim steppe]

Any reason its called replenishment instead of regen? Or is it just FS being FS

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

My fav convo is

[trim steppe]

Cuz I've known what regen is for ages

[grim widget]

@bitter turtlecan you link a pic of that gun's stats?

[oblique totem]

Another reason to avoid psykers

[grim widget]

can this be salvaged?

[civic knot]

Does focus target dmg buff after a FT kill apply to bleed stacks

[civic knot]

nope unfortunately, u want max ammo, and flak and maniac perks. needed for important breakpoints

earn full bore tho

its super good for agripina shottie

[hexed cloak]

sounds pretty good, just not sure how much 20% power really is

[civic knot]

its 1 and 2 shot breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire? Yes

[tall torrent]

Yes
Groaners to maniac
Scattershot to no respite

It’s usable

[hexed cloak]

i feel like the stats are pretty good, just ammo is a bit low

[somber axle]

The ammo is ok. It's an Agripina Shotgun so it might as well be a Bolt Action Rifle with how fun the special slug shot is

It's not as vital for the gun's function as a Recon

[hallow parrot]

ammo tends to be a dump stat anyway

friggin 378 is a godroll if I've seen one

[somber axle]

69% ammo is pretty nice in my book

[hallow parrot]

would happily trade mob for dam and sp but hey

[somber axle]

[midnight totem]

auric

this vet only used his ciag

I did not want to carry him

[bitter turtle]

Which

[gilded rock]

Sell it for a recon VIIa expeditiously

(idk)

[bitter turtle]

Its

Passable

Honestly it should be fine

In theory unyielding might give you a bulwark 1 tap

I'd swap groaner to flak or maniac

Scattershot to no respite

[gilded rock]

Pretty much the only advice I had exactly

[bitter turtle]

Agri has pretty high boss damage

[gilded rock]

At the very least it's a very good starter shotgun

Very good

[bitter turtle]

So the dps boost against bosses might be meaningful too

You could do a lot worse than unyielding

So I'd just roll with it

[gilded rock]

And with bulwarks' recent buff

Helps with reapers too since that shotgun's special is a slug, no?

Or is that another one

[bitter turtle]

Yes

I'm not sure if it changes anything for reapers

But I'm not that familiar with what unyielding does anyway

I'm just guessing it might enable a bulwark 1 tap since it's already rly close

[gilded rock]

Reaper head and fleshy bits are unyielding, the chest is flak iirc

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[gilded rock]

Ywa indeed my good fellow

[bitter turtle]

But I mean if unyielding actually let's you save a bullet

Anyway 1 mag on agri does around half a boss hp bar

So unyielding should boost that a fair amount too

[gilded rock]

Maybe this is my sign to finally pick up an agri, sounds cool

[wild vortex]

should I take Melk's offer?

[tall torrent]

No

Low SP, it’s gonna miss breakpoints

[gilded rock]

Shoot in his face

That sounds wrong

Supposed to be milk

[uncut token]

So what’s the skinny on no respite? Why is it good?

[steep rune]

just did the stupid every shot counts penance, took me forever until i realized i could just plasma gun it

[sinful swallow]

Revolver or low ammo shotgun lol

(I did dodge this 3, every shot counts, and one in the chamber with a bolter)

[steep rune]

my main problem was that i forgot i was doing it and always had some ammo left at the end

[sinful swallow]

Assassinate, blow your ammo in the void shield was the tip I got

[late hatch]

If you want to strip gets hot off it then maybe

[wild vortex]

I want to whip that bitch Hadron to death with this

fucking

I heard Crucian works on Weapons Specialist? as long as you never reload?

[bitter turtle]

You can try it yeah

Might as well

Crucian is better on zarona than the fan revolver ironically imo lmao

Can't do the trick with fan since it reloads the whole thing

[crude fiber]

0/4 damn

[manic cloak]

A 331 with low Thermal Resistance that's hardly recoverable via perks/blessings. Not worth further investment imho.

[wild vortex]

Yeah using it, because previous Zarona had Trickshooter

I think it's working? I'm able to even bodyshot Ragers if the crit hits on swap

[manic cloak]

Revolvers have cooties.

[grizzled escarp]

Opinions on this shotty?

Should I nab it?

[manic cloak]

Brother, a shotty is a shotty at this point. It's so far from the meta at the moment, you do you.

[umbral scaffold]

No

[umbral scaffold]

But it is a shotgun so

[somber axle]

You'd need to swap Scattershot to Full Bore, Deathspitter to No Respite for the funny Bolt Action Rifle memes with the slug shot. Ranged Weak Spot damage isn't so good. Idk if Unarmoured helps with any breakpoints either. I'd personally pass and play Brunt/Hadron casino games to get a better roll tbh

[tall torrent]

This is fine

[tall torrent]

Reload to maniac
Trickshooter to hand cannon

This is perfectly usable as a weapon specialist revolver

[somber axle]

If you're short on plasteel/diamantine/dockets and don't have another Agripina Shotgun and also have a weird amount of melk chocolate coins laying around to burn you could grab it just to play around with it but you can definitely do better than that shotgun

[midnight totem]

my revolver was like that. It was pretty good

[somber axle]

Meta is meta for a reason but all guns are viable and with the right hands and the right build they can even be competitive in some contexts

Shotguns are fine
Shotguns are shotfuns

I am a clown who takes Shredder Autopistol and Recon Mk VId into Auric Damnation while using Executioner's Stance

[midnight totem]

there's nothing wrong with any of the shotguns

[manic cloak]

I'm aware. I play with a Bolter in Maelstroms. Just saying that with the Shotguns, it doesn't do much since it's not meta chasing. People are clearing Maels with gray weapons just to show that the gearing really isn't a large percentage of performance/success in high difficulties.

[somber axle]

The only meta I care about tends to be the words of wisdom from numbers cat on what perks/blessings are ideal for certain guns (though I tend to just run whatever I want on Infantry Lasguns LMFAO)

[last parcel]

everyone says don't run infernus
runs infernus

[somber axle]

Boltgun isn't bad at all. People call it a worse Plasma and to some degree they're right but it is probably one of the stronger guns right now behind the Big 3 of Plasma, Zarona Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun. If those 3 are S tier, I'd personally put Boltgun as A tier when used by someone who knows it proper

[grizzled escarp]

I have purchased the shotgun. I have no regrets.

For CREED! FOR CADIA!

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-legend-of-korra-korra-its-perfect-nickelodeon-gif-4462278

[manic cloak]

I have 200+ hours with Bolter and I'd place it at B tier. Plasma clear S tier.

[somber axle]

B for Boltgun

S for Slasma

[grizzled escarp]

What about this one? I'm kinda on the fence?

[pseudo fiber]

The green looks really good I think

[somber axle]

I really like that Shotgun skin but I like the first skin slightly more for that outfit

[grizzled escarp]

makes sense

[manic cloak]

I like that the second shotgun skin doesn't necessarily match the armor, yet doesn't clash

More realistic imho.

[cyan anchor]

what perks do I want on the accatran mk vld recon lasgun

dmg against flak and unyeilding?

[manic cloak]

A Hope and a Prayer for perks so that you actually might kill something before your teammates do.

[cyan anchor]

is the gun bad?

[manic cloak]

Flak/Maniacs/Unyielding works.

[manic cloak]

No gun is necessarily "bad". They're all workable.

[somber axle]

I personally prefer Carapace and Maniac but I am a clown who likes using Rending Strikes, Onslaught, Infernus IV, Deadshot, Shock Trooper, Focus Target and Executioner's Stance to juice it into being able to kill Crushers in as little as 7 ammo spent

[somber axle]

Depends on who you ask

[manic cloak]

But if you play any meta weapons on your other kits, you will notice it's not as efficient.

[somber axle]

I am a clown and to me there are no truly bad guns, only players without the ability to use them to their potential in higher difficulties

Follow your dreams

And watch this:

[manic cloak]

Inspiring

[somber axle]

I can do this with 200+ more DPS, slightly faster TTK and 7 ammo spent now with my new Recon

[manic cloak]

Hmm, Deadshot, huh?

[somber axle]

This was done with an older Recon Mk VId

[manic cloak]

Max stam curios

[somber axle]

Yes

[manic cloak]

Interesting. That talent is so slept on.

[cyan anchor]

jeez how complex are these builds people make

[somber axle]

I do triple Stam curios and then grab the +1 Stam node under Confirmed Kill then combo it with Duck and Dive + Target Down under the Focus Target keystone to keep stamina regen strong

[manic cloak]

Not very. There's like 70% of the talents you get every time, and about 30% you switch up to optimize a setup.

[somber axle]

LET ME SHOW YOU A WORLD OF MAGIC AND CLOWNERY

[cyan anchor]

most of the time I just go the guns percent stats

[manic cloak]

I did this with the Ia Lasrifle and was digging it. I miss weapon specialist though.

[cyan anchor]

idk wtf im doing most of the time

[manic cloak]

Having fun, and that's all that matters.

Dip into the meta and build optimize when you want to

[somber axle]

First pic is the talent build. Second pic is the original Recon I used to kill the Crusher in that gif. Third screenshot is from a Damnation match where I outdid a Plasma gun Vet and a Columnus Infantry Autogun Vet on almost all metrics

[manic cloak]

This game isn't really that hard at all once you get mechanics. Everything else is just because.

[wild vortex]

Yeah that's what I did, seems to be working

[manic cloak]

I'd say the plasma gun vet was sleeping in that case, tbh. Unless it was when Plasma wasn't nearly as wild as it is now.

[somber axle]

For the Scoreboard the Vet on the far right was Plasma, the other Vet was CIAG. Plasma Vet had 2 more ranged elite kills, CIAG user had 9k more ranged damage done. I beat them both on every other metric

[somber axle]

This was shortly after penance update went live and surv aura was nerfed

[low jetty]

Was busy doing the Fire-team penance (fresh)..
We killed about 3500+ heretics and ended up completing that penance. HOW???

[manic cloak]

Oh, so recent

[cyan anchor]

well im solo so my fun is what ever music plays

[somber axle]

These were not bad Vets, they did not require carrying, they held their own quite well honestly

But look at their ammo picked up vs mine

[manic cloak]

Why crit hit damage? That doesn't scale well at all compared to other flat % dmg perks or % crit (unless crit is already stacked)

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId did surprisingly well on damage while outdoing them both on ammo economy by leaps and bounds

[somber axle]

Because I had to choose to change two other more important things and that was the lesser of other evils to keep

It is not good to have crit hit damage

Ideally you want Maniac instead

[manic cloak]

Ah, I thought it was intentional and I was missing something

[somber axle]

My ideal Recon Mk VId has +25% Carapace, +25% Maniac, Infernus IV, Headhunter IV, 80 Damage, 80 Ammo, 80 Mobility, 80 Collateral, 60 Stability

I do not have the ideal

But I do have something close to it that kills very effectively

[hearty panther]

what a freakshow

[somber axle]

Yes I am a clown

It is what I do

[hearty panther]

lmao

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-losing-my-mind-losing-my-marbles-smg4-glitch-productions-gif-7170847602410935396

[wild vortex]

some Atrox fire sale going on there Melk?

[somber axle]

I value stability lower than mobility because I like running and dodging a lot while shooting and the extra sprint distance/dodge distance is more valuable to me even as marginal as the increases are compared to the increased accuracy from stability since I always combo my Recon Mk VId with Deadshot and Executioner's Stance. It feels pretty pin-point accurate across long distance when using both sway reduction bonuses together

[hearty panther]

stab is very dumpable

collateral also

[somber axle]

I like collateral for making Reapers squirm

[hearty panther]

recon actually has very good mobility for a ranged weapon

[somber axle]

It really does

Makes sense for a weapon meant for reconnaissance

[hearty panther]

i long for the old days

for old stripped down

back when vet with stripped down on an mk6 was the fastest thing in the game lol

[somber axle]

I want to make a Recon Mk VIIa build using Weapon Specialist now

Because of this paragraph I found on the wiki

I love the Elysians

Also found some other descriptions of Accatrans if anyone is curious

[slate hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-disbelief-what-blinking-gif-7643587

[somber axle]

DID YOU WATCH THE AMMO COUNTER? ONLY 13 AMMO SPENT