I am 90% sure that Maniac is no longer considered mandatory or even recommended for combat blade
#veteran-class
somber axle
I vaguely recall them talking about that
Not sure what they would recommend instead
somber axle
That makes more sense
wild vortex
couple days ago
lime gyro
So uncanny for the first blessing, mercy/riposte/precog/executor for the second
somber axle
Yes
wild vortex
my knife had unyielding already so he recommended cara to me
lime gyro
Ty bro
rigid pilot
Unyielding is definitely nice for bosses
bitter turtle
Uncanny + flesh tearer/executor/mercy/ripsote/precog
somber axle
Mercy Killer only if you grab Serrated Blade for the bleed on hit to trigger the blessing
rigid pilot
I'll take unyielding / anything
bitter turtle
Path (guide writer) started taking 2 stam even
somber axle
Otherwise you will want one of the other blessings because your only other source of reliable bleed would be shredder nades and that's not worth
rigid pilot
Unarmored might even be a good pick
bitter turtle
Unarmored is ok
rigid pilot
Dreg gunner / shotgunner oneshots are nice
lime gyro
Im going to be a gigachad guardsman just my lasgun and combat knife
midnight totem
wierd, without fireteam my knife can't one shot crit heavy headshot dred shotgunners
lime gyro
Wish me luck brothers farewell i will either succeed or be sent to the warp
rigid pilot
wierd, without fireteam my knife can't one shot crit heavy headshot dred shotgun...
Unarmored head
bitter turtle
fwiw i talk to him fairly regularly about knife
bitter turtle
honestly the perks are mostly whatevver unless you take literal trash
midnight totem
I'm not going to roll unarmored for my knife
bitter turtle
he even running +2 stam now lmao
bitter turtle
bps on knife are fairly loose and to an extent dont matter too much as long as you can 3tap crushers
rigid pilot
Yea I'll just take unyielding / anything
somber axle
Back to work for another hour
bitter turtle
important thing is just to have uncanny rly
rigid pilot
Unless you are zealot and you don't have the good vet talents 
bitter turtle
also
penetration is not that importnat of a stat
we found out
as long as its above 50-60 you are fine
bitter turtle
50-60 is the threshold to be able to 4 tap a crusher from nothing
no uncanny stacks
so
i would just have it at least at 60 and call it a day
the effect basically does nothing once you stack uncanny
since pen is actually modfiying ADM
which uncanny shoots you so far past 100 that it doesnt matter
rigid pilot
Sounds right
bitter turtle
basically
sleek garden
i built my psyker with the unmodified shield wall with the shards its pretty funny
bitter turtle
mobility > 16% so you dont lose a dodge (basically impossible to lose a dodge on knife tbh)
penetration > 60%
everything else to max
and then perks, as long as you didnt roll
idk
groaner dmg or some shit
it should be fine
blessings, uncanny + whatever
flesh tearer is my favorite
sleek garden
does a well rolled knife one shot poxwalkers and groaners with a knife light
bitter turtle
numbercat/path likes executor
tall torrent
penetration > 60%
I thought 51?
bitter turtle
I thought 51?
yes but that's with 80 in everything else
in practice they wont have 80 in everything else usually
so i just say 60 to be safe
tall torrent
ok
bitter turtle
esp if they'r erunning something like a 70 FT knife ro something
tall torrent
does a well rolled knife one shot poxwalkers and groaners with a knife light
depends
usually yes?
but only 1 per swing
it won't deal with dense hordes well no matter what
sleek garden
personally i dont really use manstopper on my lawbringer but scattershot definitely
rigid pilot
It's like a mini kickback
sleek garden
with full stacks of marksmans focus it still instantly cuts down 5-10 guys in a hord
e
rigid pilot
Manstopper lets absolutely delete a chunk of horde
sleek garden
its really too bad it has no cleave
rigid pilot
I run manstopper no respite because weapon spec
sleek garden
but i guess the tradeoff is for range
rigid pilot
Swap every 5 seconds to proc agile too
sleek garden
also theres the times where you see like 6 scab shooters poke their heads over cover at once and its like
my time is here
sleek garden
i usually go all the way down the left side of the tree
so my shotgun has super spiky headshot damage in most cases
if theres crushers or something you just put it away
rigid pilot
I heard when you ads shotgun gets finesse boost
sturdy zephyr
Whats shotgun you guys use?
rigid pilot
Seems to be right from my experience
sleek garden
I heard when you ads shotgun gets finesse boost
lawbringer, yea
rigid pilot
Only lawbringer?
sleek garden
I heard when you ads shotgun gets finesse boost
it gets a tightened spread
more than the other ones
sleek garden
I really like my lawbringer shotgun but i can't one shot certain guys without crits on headshot which is a bummer
agripiinaa is nice too
i like all the shotguns they're nice and chunky
rigid pilot
Agripinna is my go to normal shotgun
sleek garden
i just prefer lawbringer
rigid pilot
Lawbringer is for the MF build scatter/manstop
sleek garden
the range is too good to pass up
sleek garden
i have a 550 knife sitting in my inventory i just dont use lol
i should take a look at it
rigid pilot
Vet knife is really good
sleek garden
i used knives when i was levelling up my classes but afterwards i stopped
rigid pilot
All the buffs to headshot damage and elite damage makes you oneshot elites
bitter turtle
lawbringer
more like
chaossender
sturdy zephyr
Agrapina since it has bigger mag
sleek garden
I'm pretty sure most headshot damage buffs go to ranged except for the one skill on the right tree
what mag size is the agrip
i have 11 shots in my lawbringer
bitter turtle
13
sturdy zephyr
Mine 13
sleek garden
dang
rigid pilot
The left one buffs melee damage too, doesn't it?
sleek garden
no left side is all out ranged
rigid pilot
Melee headshot damage*
somber axle
Lawbringer is for the MF build scatter/manstop
Love this meme build so much
bitter turtle
anything that isnt explicitly "ranged damage" buffs melee as well
so if you mean precision strikes
yes
it buffs melee
somber axle
Delete hordes in the most efficient way on Vet
bitter turtle
in fact
rigid pilot
There's one talents that's 30% to precision strikes
rigid pilot
Yea it's great
somber axle
Not even melee weapons can clean up hordes as well as the meme Lawbringer build LMFAO
rigid pilot
Since it's on the way to elite damage too
bitter turtle
its a fairly significant melee dmg buff since melee tend to have good headshot modifiers
bitter turtle
so you end up picking it up even on guns like recon or brauto with relatively poor finesse
sleek garden
also lasguns and iags really shine on the elft side skill tree
somber axle
Power Sword with Power Cycler IV might be close but you need the horde bunched up for your swings vs Lawbringer just needs to fire at the horde and deletes them in a cone
midnight totem
made a much reduced in power knife build in order to have survivalist on this infiltrate build
rigid pilot
Lawbringer is better the further the horde is
sleek garden
i take sniper so this is true
somber axle
Yes
bitter turtle
made a much reduced in power knife build in order to have survivalist on this in...
i honestly never run surv infil
sleek garden
let me look at my tree
bitter turtle
its way too much of a point drain
somber axle
Now I want to do a Lawbringer meme run
rigid pilot
If the horde is on the far side of the corridor your specials is hitting everything
bitter turtle
wat are you even running that you need surv on
midnight totem
it is absolutely a point drain, it makes me cry lookin' at it
midnight totem
nothing
rigid pilot
Nah it's amazing
sleek garden
people complain about the speedy aura but i feel like i need it sometimes
zealots are so fast
bitter turtle
speed yaura is based
rigid pilot
Speed aura is good
tall torrent
personally i dont really use manstopper on my lawbringer but scattershot definit...
if u take scattershot already, just go manstopper imo
midnight totem
I don't need survivalist at all
tall torrent
they're meant to work together
sturdy zephyr
I use speed aura for my melee vet.
midnight totem
its just a "non selfish" build for scab melee maelstroms
tall torrent
5% move speed is fun and based
rigid pilot
The zealot now goes even faster
somber axle
It's not even meme
It started as a meme for completing the Marksman's Focus 10 stacks kill penance and now it feels like a legitimate build LMFAO
rigid pilot
It started as a meme for completing the Marksman's Focus 10 stacks kill penance ...
It really is
It's just harder to use than peegun peesword peeshout
sleek garden
on scab melee i usually bring a risky helbore/bolter/chainaxe/combat axe build
bitter turtle
another person put it well, its hard to quantify but speed aura is basically:
dmg done +
dmg taken -
stamina +
its just hard to quantify
bitter turtle
but the effect is real
sleek garden
another person put it well, its hard to quantify but speed aura is basically:
dm...
i remember playing my first game with it and when the game ended it only took 25 minutes in auric
and i was like huh wasnt my last game like 40
it must work
speedier feet=speedier mission made sense in my mind
bitter turtle
ya I made that recording just to show it snot an insignificant bonus
at the very least i feel a major difference dropping it even speeding around with knife
sleek garden
im glad they nerfed survivalist really
somber axle
Agreed
somber axle
Surv Aura nerf was very warranted and the overall balance of ammo economy on Vet and other classes can now be properly reigned in without being chained to this single aura for conversations
bitter turtle
its still broken on no ammo modifier anyway
frankly
they shouldnt have nerfed it
rapid palm
I wouldnt have minded it staying the way it was, but it doesnt bug me, what does bug me is that the other two auras are still trash and only taken to save points
sleek garden
its still broken on no ammo modifier anyway
not when i use a bolter
bitter turtle
even more moaning i mean
sleek garden
but since everyone uses a revolver yes
somber axle
If a weapon is underperforming on ammo economy the weapon can be looked at without the shadow of Survivalist Aura looming behind it
sleek garden
its still busted
okay i know weapon balance is difficult
but like
i really think the bolter should just do way way more damage to carapace
like the revolver shouldnt outclass it
bitter turtle
revolver outclasses everything
shouldnt compare it
bolter is mid but usable enough rn
sleek garden
i love the bolter but even in my most spiky headshot build it does like 800 damage to a crusher
bitter turtle
it is a flavor fail though
somber axle
i really think the bolter should just do way way more damage to carapace
I'm like 90% sure I can consistently 2 shot or 3 shot Crushers with a Boltgun but I can't verify this for another 40-ish minutes
bitter turtle
since the best way to play it is sniping and almost never hipfiring
sleek garden
I'll try mine out
bitter turtle
it honestly resembles the agri revolver more than anything else
tiny summit
Just gib ammo restore from elites/specials off melee as a core mechanic instead of this special from the warp free ammo from 1 class
bitter turtle
but nobody wants to play a bolter like a sniper
they want to go unga bunga hipfire im a beeg spess mehrine
which is fair
tiny summit
Thumpiest dmr
somber axle
When I get home I will begin the Crusher killing tests in Psykanium again
sleek garden
i do both
bitter turtle
the finesse value on bolter is extremely high
sleek garden
it actually feels great to dump a bolter mag in a horde even though its not the best way to use it
rapid palm
but nobody wants to play a bolter like a sniper
its also becuase unless you make the whole build around crits the bolters main strength is mag dumping into big targets
bitter turtle
its also becuase unless you make the whole build around crits the bolters main s...
well
that is how you are supposed to do it rn
surgical/pinning
sleek garden
also just to be clear
bitter turtle
with deadshot
sleek garden
the bolter does insane damage to anything that isnt carapace
bitter turtle
hipfire magdump is only for monstrosities
bitter turtle
the bolter does insane damage to anything that isnt carapace
actually
i disagree on that
sleek garden
but not enough to one shot most maniacs for some reason
bitter turtle
i think it could do a little more
somber axle
it actually feels great to dump a bolter mag in a horde even though its not the ...
Popping a Combat Stim, hitting Executioner's Stance and having Focus Target on a Plogryn/Burgle while every shot hits the head or back is satisfying in ways I cannot describe without sounding like I am falling to Slaanesh worship
bitter turtle
to ragers
bitter turtle
if there is one thing i'd buff about it
sleek garden
maniac
rapid palm
I really, really dont like deadshot
bitter turtle
its just short of oneshotting both fo them without pinning stacks
which is kinda eeeh
i mean like
forget revolver
bitter turtle
v7 can oneshot scab rager at least
somber axle
I yearn for Boltpistol
rapid palm
it has way too much downtime compared to its uptime, and during that downtime your fucked in melee
sleek garden
im worried really
bitter turtle
it has way too much downtime compared to its uptime, and during that downtime yo...
i mean
bitter turtle
bolter needs to unads to unfuck its recoil either way
deadshot bolter rly shouldnt be a pr oblem to manage
somber axle
I will use it whether it is trash or treasure because I am a clown and I already do that with basically every gun in the game
sleek garden
for what its worth the bolter bash has a lot of stagger
bitter turtle
esp since i imagine most bolter builds will go tag keystone and you can grab target down
sleek garden
im in the pyskhanium and my bolter two shots maniacs to the body
bitter turtle
the slow swap can be nullified as well
sleek garden
thats fine really
rapid palm
I dont really care if something is OP in most situations in a PvE game, I just want everything to be at least useable
rapid palm
the slow swap can be nullified as well
how?
rapid palm
ah okay
rapid palm
okay how does that work?
bitter turtle
- have 1 round in your mag missing
- swap to bolter
- cancel swap animation with reload animation
- cancel reload animation with sprint
missing 1 round is p easy in practice, i barely think about it
last parcel
i love them for their flak cleave damage
rapid palm
im personaly a power sword 6 guy cuz im a scrub and think poking ogryns in teh head is funny, but catachans are fun
sleek garden
if you bring savage sweep with it its pretty devastating in a horde
sleek garden
thats fine
rapid palm
okay so 2 of them kind of suck, but the last one is great
sleek garden
they're a do all weapon type
sleek garden
you have to be into those
bitter turtle
they're a do all weapon type
idk about that
they are
atrocious vs flak
cannot kill crushers unless you slowly parry them to death
how is that do all
do all is rashad
sleek garden
but i dont want to use brutal momentum rashad
rapid palm
knife has a bit f trouble with hordes but aside from that it kinda wrecks everything
bitter turtle
i dont understand how a weapon that is awful against 2 armor types, 1 the most common one, could possibly be do all
or rather
personally
i dont understand the point of running d claw at all
sleek garden
it is a sword
bitter turtle
it just means your gun HAS to be able to match into crushers
sleek garden
its not really meant to do mutch to armor
bitter turtle
and i dont really see what you gain from it
yes but that's a legitimate downside when every other melee weapon is good vs armor
sleek garden
i tend to just leave crushers to my teammates honestly
rapid palm
D claw is kinda like the heavy sword of vet
sleek garden
the catachans make hordes easy mode
i like to bring autoguns and thigns that dont do damage against crushers
bitter turtle
D claw is kinda like the heavy sword of vet
i could believe that if the moment dreg bruisers showed up didn't make the dclaw cry
sleek garden
they are my weak spot
bitter turtle
either you hit their bodies or suffer the shitty flak dmg
midnight totem
fuck it
bitter turtle
either way its not exactly a great choice to be making
midnight totem
I'm deleting my survivalist infiltrate build
tall torrent
Just because it can parry crusher doesn’t mean you should actively go parry every crusher overhead
bitter turtle
just slap uncanny on dclaw and now its god tier :^)
works for ever yother weapon with uncanny
somber axle
Dclaws are very fun weapons but they're not good for Crusher killing and when Scab Brusiers/Dreg Bruisers enter the mix their flak armour will make the cleave feel awkward. It's still very fun for clearing through your average horde until the flak comes out though
sleek garden
ive never really noticed a weakness to flak
last parcel
sleek garden
but it normally staggers a wide crowd
somber axle
Nobody's getting ammo from me. Ever
Would you share a tin with a clown?
sleek garden
so that might just be how i use it
somber axle
tall torrent
ive never really noticed a weakness to flak
It doesn’t do very good flak dmg in the first place, and it loses a very significant portion of its dmg from cleaving through flak enemies
You can try cleaving through Dreg bruiser to hit another enemy in meat grinder
sleek garden
i do use savage sweep to cleave through lots of enemies
tall torrent
Savage sweep does not improve cleave dmg distribution
sleek garden
in bruiser hordes if i can hit at least one enemy head its enough
hallow parrot
Dclaws are very fun weapons but they're not good for Crusher killing and when Sc...
I have it on good authority that the DCS actually heals flak mobs
I have the data
sleek garden
true but it still activates vicious slice
which staggers a little
at the very least it can manage a horde and i never feel like im losing out when i use it
somber axle
I have it on good authority that the DCS actually heals flak mobs
Let me become a Sister of Battle of the Orders Hospitaller so good at their job they accidentally heal heretics just to prolong their suffering to end them after
hallow parrot
I mean I've used a DC for a while and I like it, don't get me wrong
but jesus christ good luck handling a single scab mob without charged attacks
midnight totem
Would you share a tin with a clown?
You can't use those puppy dog eyes on me. That's cheating
hallow parrot
rest of squad just looking at you wailing on that poor mfer
radiant chasm
i dont understand the point of running d claw at all
parry, and the flak modifier isn't as bad as it used to be, it can be overcome with consistent weakspots and crits, only really suffers vs maulers
and plasma and revolver both pierce armor
sleek garden
i dont use mods but i wish i could check the damage of the parry attack
tall torrent
true but it still activates vicious slice
Vicious slice is really not that great
bitter turtle
sleek garden
it doesn't need to be great, I use it for the stagger
bitter turtle
like honestly
radiant chasm
yea the flak hurts but if you go say, sweep rampage, you can, brute force it
sleek garden
savage sweep with vicious slice slows people
bitter turtle
if you dont call this dmg vs flak terrible
radiant chasm
it doesn't need to be great, I use it for the stagger
rampage gives stagger
bitter turtle
then what is terrible
sleek garden
i dont have rampage
bitter turtle
and plasma and revolver both pierce armor
you cant say "just use plasma or revolver with it"
you can make any loadout good
by just
"using plasma or revolver with it"
radiant chasm
it's a fun weapon and it's not terrible, it's better than taxes imo
hallow parrot
i dont understand the point of running d claw at all
it makes funny squishy sounds when you click near a horde
radiant chasm
taxes break your finger on zealot
somber axle
You can't use those puppy dog eyes on me. That's cheating
It's a good thing they're cat eyes and not puppy eyes
radiant chasm
i remember old dclaw, the parry was useless and the flak modifier was somehow even worse
radiant chasm
but yea, it's basically all in the parry for power, it can do silly things with the timing down
like parrying overheads
bitter turtle
i dont know
midnight totem
Fine, clown. If you run recon then... sigh, I will run recon as well, and my recon build has survivalist aura
somber axle
Perfect
bitter turtle
and then kill them
last parcel
somber axle
Clown shoes it is if I meet you in quickplay
midnight totem
Anyway
hallow parrot
recon did nothing wrong
sleek garden
can you try adding a bunch of scab guys in the psykhanium and just parrying them to death
midnight totem
I like dclaws
somber axle
midnight totem
I ran one on my trauma psyker build for the longest time
hallow parrot
I will defend the honor of my meme laser hose.
midnight totem
If I ever got ambushed by rager mobs I just danced through them and parried everything
somber axle
last parcel
RISE UP
bitter turtle
its not even like the parry deletes a crusher anyway
last parcel
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRISE UP
rapid palm
recons are fun but the vlad is not all its cracked up to be
last parcel
TALOS THE MIGHTY
rapid palm
imo the MK II is better
bitter turtle
last parcel
TALOS THE UNASSAILA
last parcel
imo the MK II is better
tall torrent
its not even like the parry deletes a crusher anyway
It’s the 2nd best survival tool available
I just wish it had better flak dmg
It’s more awkward on vet than on zealot & psyker imo
sleek garden
i had no idea it did that much damage to a crusher actually
i thought it did way less
tall torrent
Because vet actually doesn’t have that many ranged weapon options to kill carapace
sleek garden
also the follow up to a parry attack is a downward strike that does more damage to carapace
tall torrent
U have plasma, HB3, 2 revolvers, boltgun (kinda)
Anything after that is usually lower efficiency than ideal
rapid palm
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lower spread means it has much better range, better ammo efficiency, and works better with headhunter
hallow parrot
It's nice to not be the only Recon user in chat
recon was destined for greatness
sleek garden
i think the headhunter guns should do more damage to crushers
hallow parrot
however lasguns in general are in kind of a weird spot rn
midnight totem
Sneaky Cat's recon kills crushers pretty quickly
sleek garden
recon lasguns are actually the only guns in the game that i dont really want to use much
bitter turtle
i think the headhunter guns should do more damage to crushers
v7 does like 2k+ dps
sleek garden
i try them periodically and i dont really like them
midnight totem
So does mine, a little less quickly, but it does
rapid palm
lasguns are solid, you just have to build them for crits
sleek garden
oh i do like lasguns
rapid palm
recons included
sleek garden
bring them with sniper for some pretty serious midrange damage
hallow parrot
I mean hey, I don't even think recons are as shit as consensus indicates
but they are also kinda bad
hallow parrot
and if you compare them with the really meme stuff like plasmas, it's just no contest
rapid palm
it depends on how ya use them
yeah its low tier, but they are viable with the right setup
bitter turtle
everything in the game passes the minimum bar of viability
hallow parrot
I really like the mk6. I can melt elites consistently at all ranges and look good doing it.
radiant chasm
its not even like the parry deletes a crusher anyway
yea but you can dab on all the plebs who have to dodge the overhead
hallow parrot
and infernus is probably the most enjoyable perk I've taken in a gun, to me personally
midnight totem
Anyway, infernus +onslaught is a funny combo
radiant chasm
i think the headhunter guns should do more damage to crushers
they kind of already do
hallow parrot
but then again you can also (somewhat) do the same on an agripina IAG and not run out of ammo nearly as often
bitter turtle
i think the headhunter guns should do more damage to crushers
just spam shots into them
lul
radiant chasm
mk3 with deadly accurate headhunter will just spam crit heads into crushers
sleek garden
they kind of already do
the crits make it work better for me
hallow parrot
or an ILG (even though I find them jankier to keep on target)
radiant chasm
and mk7, is a bit weirder and slower but it can work in a pinch
it's all about the deadly accurate crits
sleek garden
why does your scope change models when you aim
radiant chasm
yep this
bitter turtle
why does your scope change models when you aim
mod shenanigans
hallow parrot
it's all about the deadly accurate crits
and it has to be said that recons are very good at staying on a weakspot just going bananas
lime gyro
now the only thing fatshark has to do is give me a hotshot lasgun
hallow parrot
and if the burst doesn't get them, infernus will. Eventually but
lime gyro
i keep being told im worthy of a hotshot in game >:((
radiant chasm
and it has to be said that recons are _very_ good at staying on a weakspot just ...
yea but unlike headhunters they don't do damage
last parcel
i keep being told im worthy of a hotshot in game >:((
you are worthy of nothing
eat the corpse starch
lime gyro
No u
hallow parrot
yea but unlike headhunters they don't do damage
but but brrt 😦
sleek garden
i really really wanna use recons for specifically firing into hordes at head level but strangely they suck at that
it just feels like thats what they should do
they feel like lmgs
lime gyro
Ive been gigachadding with recon lasgun for too long cuz theres no other full auto lasgun alternative
rapid palm
recons just do what lasguns already do, which is get rid of specials and shooters
lime gyro
Now me angery
hallow parrot
I mean they're good at that but their ammo economy dictates mag dumping into a horde is a gigantic waste of ammo most of the time.
sinful swallow
it just feels like thats what they should do
I went this route thinking id easily get the 15 headshot penance
hallow parrot
but I do like spraying a horde just to set half of it on fire as I strafe through them
it's like a long distance flamethrower
lime gyro
recons r best used as a support playstyle imo
hallow parrot
and the fire probably doesn't do shit but I'm lighting heretics on fire and it's cool and fun
lime gyro
Melting crowds suppressive fire all that
sinful swallow
Do they do decent suppression?
rapid palm
no
bitter turtle
the only thing you're gonna melt
by hsooting into a crowd with a recon
is your ammo supply
lime gyro
I have the suppression buff so its ok
lime gyro
Not as much as like the mg iv and shit from my own personal experience but its still pretty handy
twin cipher
What’s the alternative
bitter turtle
blaze away
rapid palm
and the fire probably doesn't do shit but I'm lighting heretics on fire and it's...
burn stacks will actuly fuck up unyelding and bosses, its why gunlugger ogryn makes bosses a joke
lime gyro
Its just recons r in a shitty state rn
sinful swallow
What’s that do exactly?
More power for spamming shots
bitter turtle
i like elite+flak/maniac though
rapid palm
yeah perks mean A LOT more than blessings on plasma
sleek garden
lime gyro
i just want more full auto lasguns >:((((((((
rapid palm
prioritize good base stats and getting +flak and +maniac
sleek garden
blue infantry lasguns with marksmans focus and sniper and precision strikes
difference at close vs midrange
hallow parrot
burn stacks will actuly fuck up unyelding and bosses, its why gunlugger ogryn ma...
headhunter + infernus has always been super fun to run for me, and I've always had good results with it.
Granted, most I've ran with it is Malice
twin cipher
Most of the stats are good just ammo is kinda mid but it’s aight
twin cipher
For perks should I grab unyielding and flak?
rapid palm
headhunter + infernus has always been super fun to run for me, and I've always h...
thats what your meant to do with a recon yeah, ive made it work on damnnation, but only with a MK6 p[ower sword to deal with armor
lime gyro
I can run damnations but i gotta be super tryhard with it
Using my MG IV or IA is usally my go to for dams n mael (auric) but theyre still doable w recons
radiant chasm
i really really wanna use recons for specifically firing into hordes at head lev...
hard to fit it in when melee weapons exist and cleaving horde clear ranged weapons exist
bitter turtle
For perks should I grab unyielding and flak?
elite + flak or maniac
sleek garden
hard to fit it in when melee weapons exist and cleaving horde clear ranged weapo...
Do you mean the shredder autopistol
radiant chasm
like, the law and kant shotguns, agri brauto has good cleave through horde
sleek garden
I'm not actually sure what weapons are good for that
tall torrent
Maniac and flak perk are really best for plasma?
Elite + flak
hallow parrot
Using my MG IV or IA is usally my go to for dams n mael (auric) but theyre still...
I just haven't rolled a serious recon, went IAG this time around, but I'll probably eventually get to those when I have the mats and money to burn
tall torrent
Elite is first priority
twin cipher
Even tho it’s just 10%?
bitter turtle
i have elite+maniac on mine
radiant chasm
and then there is weapons that just ignore a bit of horde even if they aren't made for horde clear, like the plasma or revolver
bitter turtle
Even tho it’s just 10%?
elite* sorry helps you hit crusher 3 tap and dreg gunner hs 1 tap iirc
radiant chasm
Do you mean the shredder autopistol
i don't think shredder is useful for clearing hordes besides a magdump to make some space, but agri brauto does that better
lime gyro
I just haven't rolled a serious recon, went IAG this time around, but I'll proba...
Man ive spent millions of dockets n tens of thousands of plasteel trying to get the right recon its not even worth trying until fs fixes the entire rng system
tall torrent
Even tho it’s just 10%?
Yes, because u want to take superiority complex + focus target(redirect fire)/longshot to get 1 shot headshot on both gunners & both flamers
lime gyro
I still dont have the right one till this day btw
radiant chasm
agri brauto with FF DS fully ramped is SO juicy god damn
twin cipher
Ok gona out elite and flak
radiant chasm
Man ive spent millions of dockets n tens of thousands of plasteel trying to get ...
yea, and not until they rework or heavily adjust recon
twin cipher
Put*
hallow parrot
I still dont have the right one till this day btw
I'm not super picky but yeah as someone who recently sank like half a mil to end up with a 520 agripinaa IAG I agree with you lmao
lime gyro
yea, and not until they rework or heavily adjust recon
Everytime they post updates and weapon tweaks i pray there's a recon buff but im always let down :(((
radiant chasm
maybe i'm just weird tho i don't care for the laser guns much besides the hbs
hallow parrot
at least I got rank 4 dumdum out of it
lime gyro
Bro my recon is 523
radiant chasm
Everytime they post updates and weapon tweaks i pray there's a recon buff but im...
if i can be frank, my guess is that recon is a bit of a newb weapon that you are meant to graduate out of
total score doesn't matter
lime gyro
That was the best i could get my hands on w fhe right blessings n perks
radiant chasm
it's not vt2 where it gives stat adjustment the more ilvl you have
lime gyro
N damage n shit
tall torrent
what does flak do
1 shot bodyshot scab gunner
1 shot bodyshot dreg gunner with AE/(LS + tag + RF) active
Better 2 shot consistency vs reaper (1HS + 1 bodyshot can 2 tap, instead of having to do 2HS)
1 shot headshot scab rager with AE active
Slightly better 2 shot consistency vs scab mauler
sleek garden
i don't think shredder is useful for clearing hordes besides a magdump to make s...
Agri? Are you sure you don't mean Graia?
Graia shoots way faster
twin cipher
Oh I’m dumb
radiant chasm
Agri? Are you sure you don't mean Graia?
agri hits harder and cleaves more, your graia just shoots faster
lime gyro
if i can be frank, my guess is that recon is a bit of a newb weapon that you are...
Its a fun gun to use i agree that the buff made it pretty broken esp the 6d but gutting it in half was not the right move imo
lime gyro
They nerfed it toooooo hard
twin cipher
Ugh I hate this stupid as system
bitter turtle
1 shot bodyshot scab gunner
1 shot bodyshot dreg gunner with AE/(LS + tag + RF) ...
ig you can 1tap dreg ragers without maniac using FT?
rapid palm
blessings dont really matter a ton on plasma
radiant chasm
shooting faster doesn't give you better horde clear, especially compared to things like cleaving and damage
bitter turtle
i take maniac for that and bodyshotting flamers
tall torrent
ig you can 1tap dreg ragers without maniac using FT?
It’s like 40 dmg off for me, if I have AE up I hit it
bitter turtle
ic
tall torrent
I don’t consider Dreg rager 1HS to be the most important breakpoint
twin cipher
tall torrent
Or if I have LS & enough distance I also hit it
twin cipher
It sucks ass that refinements aren’t separate from blessings :\
bitter turtle
fair
hallow parrot
if i can be frank, my guess is that recon is a bit of a newb weapon that you are...
I mean, recon I feel should be a lot like Infiltrate, something flashy but that requires actual control and skill to be effective at.
bitter turtle
mostly i keep maniac bca its locked anyway
twin cipher
Hopefully that new update gets rid of locks
radiant chasm
I mean, recon I feel should be a lot like Infiltrate, something flashy but that ...
it effectively has no skill ceiling cause it lacks recoil and has great base ammo
that's the issue
tall torrent
fair
Or if I have the cursed 8 stack modifier to boost RF to +12% I can also hit it
radiant chasm
"control and skill" doesn't mean anything when you just hover over the enemy head without even worrying about recoil
hallow parrot
it effectively has no skill ceiling cause it lacks recoil and has great base amm...
yeah but by the same token you just described an agripinaa IAG
radiant chasm
yeah but by the same token you just described an agripinaa IAG
agri has recoil
hallow parrot
or at least a couple of ILGs
hallow parrot
agri has recoil
ehhh
lime gyro
shooting faster doesn't give you better horde clear, especially compared to thin...
When it comes to trash mobs i use my dclaw but i enjoy using my mkII recon against ranged enemies
hallow parrot
I mean the gun sure bounces around when you shoot it
but hold down that mouse button and you're nailing the same stamp on the wall
tall torrent
yeah but by the same token you just described an agripinaa IAG
IAGs have recoil and the recoil does matter because bodyshot ttk on mk1 IAG is not that good
hallow parrot
(approximately)
lime gyro
esp against ranged scab its just a light show of lasers going back n forth
radiant chasm
sure it's not kicking like a mule cause the ads bug, but it's something
tall torrent
Mk1 IAG also has pretty low firing uptime
somber axle
recons are fun but the vlad is not all its cracked up to be
It's really just good for a very specific clown's preferences. I like turning a Recon into a Crusher killing gun. The Mk II and Mk VIIa just can't be juiced into doing it anywhere near as effectively. But if you ignore Crushers then the Mk II and Mk VIIa are both very comfy weapons for general use. The Mk II does feel very good to use even if it is the weakest damage-wise compared to the other two
orchid hemlock
i just want more full auto lasguns >:((((((((
there is a mod for that: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87
radiant chasm
the clown rending meta where vets were running headfirst into a crusher mag dumping into his head was absolutely dumb to watch
sleek garden
Yeah I did notice the iags do kinda low body shot damage
somber axle
Can just bring a melee for Crusher killing and bring a Mk II or Mk VIIa
lime gyro
Yea i know but like actual new guns (hotshot now 😠 )
bitter turtle
the clown rending meta where vets were running headfirst into a crusher mag dump...
you can still do that though
ciag does it better
than recon ever did tbh
rapid palm
It's really just good for a very specific clown's preferences. I like turning a ...
from what ive seen the II is about the same as the others when trying to hit heads, and is the most usable for said purpose
bitter turtle
if you want to build it like that
tall torrent
the clown rending meta where vets were running headfirst into a crusher mag dump...
The real winner of the “haha laser pew pew” patch was actually Vraks 3
radiant chasm
you can still do that though
yea, so did HH do it better, but it's the act of it
sleek garden
I heard the bolter does less damage at close range because it doesn't explode but I don't know if it's true
bitter turtle
that most ppl didnt realize
sleek garden
Guess I should try it
radiant chasm
i didn't see any vraks users run up to crushers melee range
i saw half a dozen different recon vets do that
it just looks silly
lime gyro
Im sfill gonna download that mod tho just so i dont need to keep spamming lmb on my kantrael lasguns
somber axle
from what ive seen the II is about the same as the others when trying to hit hea...
Yeah it's fine it just can't do this:
rigid pilot
Unlimited crits
somber axle
13 ammo used in this gif and now I have a better Recon that can kill Crushers in as little as 7 ammo spent
lime gyro
man those were fun days
bitter turtle
i didn't see any vraks users run up to crushers melee range
p13 v3 was deleting bosses in a second
rapid palm
Yeah it's fine it just can't do this:
wait how are you gaining stamina back in that clip?
bitter turtle
they had to nerf the finesse a crapton
somber axle
wait how are you gaining stamina back in that clip?
Focus Target with Target Down
tall torrent
wait how are you gaining stamina back in that clip?
Target down
bitter turtle
id get the clip but crab privated th eir videos or something
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target down enjoyers 
rigid pilot
I have one
somber axle
Should I do the clown speech again
somber axle
I only JUST got off work
bitter turtle
very balans
lime gyro
Yeah it's fine it just can't do this:
When was this recorded?
last parcel
tomorrow
lime gyro
Thx
radiant chasm
p13 v3 was deleting bosses in a second
i might need to become the recon hater idk
somber axle
When was this recorded?
Uh idk but very recently and I still do this but I do this better now
radiant chasm
i just don't like it thematically it seems goofy
radiant chasm
sounds like a kid's laser gun you'd get from the value toy section
somber axle
Ok here I go again
bitter turtle
Oh no way
if you juice any automatic with onslaught and executioner stance it can do the sam ething
rigid pilot
tall torrent
from what ive seen the II is about the same as the others when trying to hit hea...
Mk2 is the lowest DPS variant by a pretty big margin even for recon
lime gyro
if you juice any automatic with onslaught and executioner stance it can do the s...
Yea but ima sucker for lasguns
:/
somber axle
bitter turtle
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xqWrgC9ojuEAM/spok?invite...
the sad thing is
that is still slower than current patch ciag
look at that maniac kill time
somber axle
Here is the talent tree set up I use, the Recon I originally used to make the gif and a Scoreboard of a Damnation run where I outdid a Columnus Infantry Autogun Vet and a Plasma Vet. The CIAG Vet only did 9k more damage but had less kills. The Plasma user had 2 more Ranged Elite kills. I blew them both out of the water on all other metrics and used less ammo too
I have a better Recon now and run Aurics
lime gyro
Tyvm im gonna try this out tomorrow
somber axle
AND NOW FOR THE DISCLAIMER
bitter turtle
But unlimited ammo
unlimited ammo but does less than 1/3rd ciag dps on maniac
i thin kthat is a fair tradeoff
at lesat not one worth nerfing
lul
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AND NOW FOR THE DISCLAIMER
i refuse to read it
somber axle
(!) WARNING (!) YOU MAY SUFFER IF YOU TRY THIS
lime gyro
Chad recon enjoyers 
tall torrent
That whole clip was one mag <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
MG4 would unironically achieve the same thing with even less ammo used
And it has more reserve than all 3 recons
sinful swallow
Just use hellbore and wait for surgical
tall torrent
MG4 also has faster ads move speed
sinful swallow
rigid pilot
Hellbored
radiant chasm
Here is the talent tree set up I use, the Recon I originally used to make the gi...
yes, because using a better build doesn't make one the better skill player
rapid palm
so, I forget, does savenger matter more or less with high firerate weapons?
radiant chasm
you have to normalize builds to a normalize skill level
bitter turtle
so, I forget, does savenger matter more or less with high firerate weapons?
it doesnt matter
it depends on the weapon in question's ammo economy
rigid pilot
so, I forget, does savenger matter more or less with high firerate weapons?
It only depends on your ammo reserve
bitter turtle
surv scales off your total ammo reserve
some automatics have good economy
some automatics are 6d recon
some semi autos have good ammo economy
some are agri revolver
rigid pilot
Shotguns have good economy too
rigid pilot
Yea maybe not kanty
bitter turtle
agri shotgun is not really good ammo econ
its one of the few gun si still run surv on
tall torrent
Worst ammo case is Agripinaa shotgun in my experience
somber axle
This build is done with three Stam curios each with +3 Stam for a total +9 Stam from curios alone with an additional +1 Stam from the talent node under Confirmed Kill to give better Deadshot uptime
This build will benefit from you moving to the frontline and baiting enemy shooters into firing at you to regen stamina during fights to help Deadshot uptime
You need to get used to consistently pinging Specials/Elites with Focus Target to benefit from Target Down. This improves damage, toughness regen and stamina regen. The stamina regen helps Deadshot uptime
You need to be used to aiming heads with Headhunter blessing to keep crit strings rolling in combination with Deadshot to get free shots through Shock Trooper
Even after all that stamina regen you still need to watch your stamina bar because longer volleys will eat your stamina and you need to swap back and forth between aiming down sights for Deadshot and hip firing to let stamina regen
radiant chasm
ehh, it's jsut a bit worse than revolver
bitter turtle
just a bit worse than a gun that already is not really stellar in terms of ammo econ is not a good recipe imo
tall torrent
ehh, it's jsut a bit worse than revolver
It’s a lot worse than revolver because standard shots loses key 1 shot breakpoints from ~12m+
bitter turtle
unless youw ant to load slugs constantly
well
we were talking about econ
not fun value
somber axle
yes, because using a better build doesn't make one the better skill player
At the time I recorded that I did not play Aurics much at all and did not touch Maelstroms. I was a young and scared clown. It worked well for Standard Damnation and it also works well in Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet too now that I am a better clown
tall torrent
And vet doesn’t have throwing knives to hard carry ammo economy
radiant chasm
they should however, buff it's fall off since it's the sniper
tall torrent
For zealot the situation is different
bitter turtle
otherwise i would just say agri revolver > zarona because fun
somber axle
The other Vets in that squad were good players
They did not require anyone to carry them and they pulled their weight accordingly
We worked well together as a squad
This is not a massive skill gap moment
I have helped ducklings and carried homeless people
rigid pilot
Zealot - throwing knives
Psyker - magic knives
Ogryn - concrete knives
Vet - 
somber axle
These people were neither
I think the Plasma Vet was still adjusting to the Survivalist Aura nerf tbh
bitter turtle
Zealot - throwing knives
Psyker - magic knives
Ogryn - concrete knives
Vet - <...
magical regenerating grenade knives
somber axle
Probably why they ate so much ammo
rigid pilot
Frag knives
sinful swallow
Zealot - throwing knives
Psyker - magic knives
Ogryn - concrete knives
Vet - <...
If you were to give vet an ammo econ blitz what would that even look like
sinful swallow
Grandes Regen anyways in most build
bitter turtle
my imagination is unparalleled
rigid pilot
Bring back BH shot from VT2
sinful swallow
How about this
Epic games sells the rights for the lancer to GW and we get an assault rifle with a mounted chainsaw
somber axle
Tyvm im gonna try this out tomorrow
Anyway yeah you want Headhunter and Infernus for blessings on a Recon Mk VId. Pair it with Carapace perk and it cuts down Crushers. A Plasma gun, Revolver or Columnus Infantry Autogun will kill faster. Compared to meta weapons this build just makes the Recon more viable/competitive at the cost of survivability and utility since no Voice of Command or Infiltrate
sinful swallow
The most 40k gun and it can't be in 40k because copyright
rigid pilot
Just wait for Microsoft to buy james
It's gonna happen
Then James will fold and be closed
somber axle
Be very careful because you are squishy and rely on Confirmed Kill, Close Order Drill and Iron Will to survive from the tree in combination with positioning and dodging
Target Down does help offset Toughness woes though
Also I use whatever melee I want tbh
You can too
sinful swallow
Target Down does help offset Toughness woes though
My bolter build is your set up with 3 talents moved around lol
somber axle
I swap often between Chainsword Mk IV, Chainsword Mk XIIIg and Combat Blade Mk VI lately though
somber axle
My bolter build is your set up with 3 talents moved around lol
Nice!
I should check my Boltgun build to see how similar it is
sleek garden
it's crazy how much bonus damage comes out of headshots in this game
shooting a scab gunner in the chest vs the head with my build is nearly a 7x headshot multiplier
and thats without marksmans focus
or executor stance
bitter turtle
depends on the gun
headshot bonus damage is contingent on finesse values
some guns dont really see a big improvement
sinful swallow
Some guns have better innate modifiers even if it's not a stat you roll
bitter turtle
brautos and recons for example
other guns
well
its like you described
go from taking 2 shots to 10 if you dont hit head
like v7
sinful swallow
V7 my beloved
bitter turtle
that being said, you prolyl still wanna hit heads with recon
headhunter and all that
somber axle
My bolter build is your set up with 3 talents moved around lol
this is what my Boltgun build looks like
twin cipher
What niche yall think bolt pistol is gona play into
sinful swallow
You can drop determined, no?
twin cipher
Just discovered the power of the agropina today
bitter turtle
What niche yall think bolt pistol is gona play into
being a shittier revolver
is that a niche
twin cipher
:((
twin cipher
I hope it’s decent lol
bitter turtle
itll be better than revolver
hollow ibex
10 shots to open bulwarks
sinful swallow
IMAGINE IT GETS HANDCANNON
bitter turtle
1 shot everything
twin cipher
Bolter is in a weird place rn so I mean I could c it
somber axle
You can drop determined, no?
I like keeping it because the gun gets too wobbly outside of Exe Stance. My current best Boltgun has low stability stat
hollow ibex
IMAGINE IT GETS HANDCANNON
uncanny strike + surgical + handcannon
somber axle
rocky tendon
You can drop determined, no?
is that the suppression immunity talent?
bitter turtle
alt action is you throw the bolt pistol at the enemy like a boomerang
sinful swallow
How often are you trying to shoot it outside of exec stance
bitter turtle
stagger them
sinful swallow
is that the suppression immunity talent?
Yeah
twin cipher
somber axle
How often are you trying to shoot it outside of exec stance
Depends on the encounter but sometimes I can have Exe Stance droughts and I like keeping things consistent for when it is on CD
tall torrent
What niche yall think bolt pistol is gona play into
Best case scenario, slightly worse breakpoints than Zarona (prob no rager 1 tap and worse vs ogryns) but better mag size & reload speed with similar draw speed
Worst case scenario, just worse than Zarona for almost every enemy
rocky tendon
bolter absolutely needs it in my experience
surgical* dmr bolter needs it
sinful swallow
I guess it's auric syndrome for me, exec is always ready to go and when it's not I've just used it and mags empty anyways
tall torrent
How often are you trying to shoot it outside of exec stance
On a Boltgun? Pretty often
twin cipher
The day I can be this is the day I can die happy
tall torrent
The fact that he does not have volley adept to reload the thing
somber axle
The day I can be this is the day I can die happy
Do you think we'll ever get Plasma Pistol and Power Fist?
I hope we do
twin cipher
I’ve been wishing for it since day 1
tall torrent
What’s the point of getting shooter highlight for boltgun if u don’t have volley adept to reload it fast enough to chain refresh exe stance on shooter waves
twin cipher
At this point I’ll take just a power fist tho
wild vortex
Weapon Specialist Vet is really a vibe man
twin cipher
I can see how dual wielding would be a difficult task
junior needle
Do you think we'll ever get Plasma Pistol and Power Fist?
wild vortex
Trigger happy axe murderer vibe
twin cipher
Man I’d legit uninstall
radiant chasm
dual wielding melee def in the future, give it a year or dozen
twin cipher
I want my freaking sergeant/commissar cosplay
Oh yah for sure melee
But melee/ranged
somber axle
What’s the point of getting shooter highlight for boltgun if u don’t have volley...
You're correct but also I rely on killing specials fast enough in combination with Tactical Awareness to just use the ability again when I want it
twin cipher
Other than a reskin of pistol/rapier from vt idk how it would work
radiant chasm
melee ranged? idk, the specials as is seem pretty set in stone
somber axle
If I swap off of Confirmed Kill/Close Order Drill to hit one of the reload talents I'm sacrificing a lot of survivability
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rel*ading 🤮
radiant chasm
imo dueling sword should have had a finger magic bullet instead of the stagger jab
somber axle
If I take points from elsewhere I'm losing damage
twin cipher
Maybe the power fist has the attack side for killing and the plasma pistol is just a stagger? Idk lol
radiant chasm
since it's psyker only
twin cipher
Tough to work out
tall torrent
It’s very funny to me that the turtolsky heavy sword (used by the vostroyan firstborn IG regiment) and the maccabian duelling sword (used by the maccabian janissaires IG regiment) are not available to veteran
twin cipher
Pretty much just described rapier/pistol I’m dumb
tall torrent
But the bot veterans in game can use heavy sword for some reason
somber axle
I continue to pray for a Longlas
twin cipher
Meltagun
somber axle
At least we're getting Boltpistol soon
radiant chasm
just have it do the pistol/rapier except finger gun cause hahah funny space wizard. why is it just a different kind of stab xd
twin cipher
I want 2h sword on psyker badly too
somber axle
A new toy at last
sleek garden
I guess it's auric syndrome for me, exec is always ready to go and when it's not...
marksmans focus and volley adept and tactical reload really speeds it up
somber axle
Can't wait to see what sorts of weapon skins the Bolt Pistol get
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25 meltabombs taped to a suicide vest
somber axle
25 meltabombs taped to a suicide vest
1 Krak grenade rigged to explode the instant I honk my clown nose as soon as my Elysian grav chute gets me in range of a Chaos Space Marine
sleek garden
i wonder if its zealot only
sinful swallow
I'm not on PC rn to load my build but
sleek garden
it doesnt sounds like a thing veteran would use
twin cipher
True
sleek garden
or psyker
twin cipher
The first set vets got tho was a shotgun skin
sleek garden
actually it depends on what they do with it i suppose
is it gonna be a hunting rifle type deal
really long range
or is it gonna be a super wide point blank shot
tall torrent
If the double barrel shotgun is competing vs Kantrael shotgun for zealot then it’s gonna be a hard sell unless it cranks out absurd burst dmg with decent reload speed
sinful swallow
marksmans focus and volley adept and tactical reload really speeds it up
Marksmans focus was an interesting experiment but lost out in the end to focus for me
twin cipher
Which makes me think zealot tbh
rigid pilot
If the double barrel shotgun is competing vs Kantrael shotgun for zealot then it...
I'll use it just for the gunlot synergy
sleek garden
Marksmans focus was an interesting experiment but lost out in the end to focus f...
i understand this
twin cipher
If we ever get a powerfist/claw bolt pistol combo that’d be sick
sleek garden
but i just prefer marksmans focus for a few reasons
sinful swallow
And I feel like you give up too much to get reload speed, but I mega value having both .25 stam regen delay nodes
sleek garden
mainly that it works on everyone
twin cipher
We just need a good commissar outfit now
sleek garden
and the reload speed is a bonus
not that the bolter really needs bonus damage on everything but it might push it to one shot a few extra things in the head
twin cipher
If this doesn’t drop when bolt pistol does with a proper rigging and gloves I’ll be so sad
bitter turtle
If the double barrel shotgun is competing vs Kantrael shotgun for zealot then it...
double barrel shotgun special action
reloads TWO special shells
👻
everything else is the same
now it competes
:^)
twin cipher
Also need a commissar cap with a bionic eye badly
radiant chasm
anyways templars, i must go to rest. you should really try out the chaxe and getting skulls for the emperor and blood for the golden throne
sleek garden
maybe itll be like the shotgun from battlefield v where it has a third barrel for a slug round
twin cipher
Freaking hate that face/hats aren’t separate
sinful swallow
I oneshot everything but maulers crushers pox busters muties and monsters
sleek garden
either that or the special is you whacking them with the stock
sinful swallow
Maulers are 2 and crushers are 3
tall torrent
I'll use it just for the gunlot synergy <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
The only real gun zealot synergy is railgun throwing knives
radiant chasm
oh hot take, what if the double barrel shotgun was psyker exclusive?
since they don't have the normal ones
bitter turtle
what if psyker staves were usable by ogryn
and that's the new two handed ogryn weapon
tall torrent
oh hot take, what if the double barrel shotgun was psyker exclusive?
“I own a shotgun for home defense just like my beloved told me”
sinful swallow
Vet needs the stubbers
midnight totem
Vet needs
sinful swallow
Slow walk like the gunners except we get to bless it
sleek garden
im curious how a psyker would build around that
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imagine an ogryn with surge staves between his fingers like wolverine
sleek garden
they dont have a lot of range talents just crit stuff
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and then he staff bangs wolfer to submission
bitter turtle
dual wield staves
hallow parrot
kickback for psykers
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both are the small projectile
sinful swallow
Doesn't the vet have art of gunning stuff down with a stubber lmao
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dual wield staves
Did u know that the psyker force staves have 22.4 cleave on special melee attacks
bitter turtle
Did u know that the psyker force staves have 22.4 cleave on special melee attack...
considering i only found out a week ago that the special action staff swing exists
no
midnight totem
That is a rotor cannon
rigid pilot
Mini gun
Mini gun
Mini gun
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midnight totem
It is a standard heavy weapon for imperial navy voidsmen
hallow parrot
catachan edc
midnight totem
We are on a rogue trader's ship
twin cipher
Casually wields heavy bolter
midnight totem
She has voidsmen
sleek garden
not really related to any of this but do any of you know why the windows store version of the game doesnt let you interact with ragdolls
twin cipher
Chad
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not really related to any of this but do any of you know why the windows store v...
In the psykanium?
twin cipher
Pretty sure he killed a tyranid with his teeth too
sleek garden
i am kind of sad i cant shoot the guy in the head after ive shot him in the head
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Or in missions
sleek garden
no in missions
somber axle
Hey weird question I'm using Plasma for the first time in a while is it better to have Blaze Away or Gets Hot? I want to get Glory Hunter on this gun for funny tank memes
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Huh weird
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Hey weird question I'm using Plasma for the first time in a while is it better t...
Gets hot
radiant chasm
when are we getting the winterhome regiment cosmetics that barely exists in lore except it's an iceworld and their colors are grey/greyish pink
sleek garden
it seems to be a windows store exclusive thing
radiant chasm
i need to match with my twitch drop camos
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Gloryhunter is not a meme on plasma
bitter turtle
Hey weird question I'm using Plasma for the first time in a while is it better t...
gets hot
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It’s highly effective
bitter turtle
i dont think blaze away really matters that much tbh
somber axle
Gloryhunter is not a meme on plasma
I'm running it with a meme talent set up for funny toughness
bitter turtle
honestly
im inclined to think
gets hot/glory
is actually better
than gets hot/blaze
somber axle
sleek garden
not to be a sadist but it was funny in vermintide 2 to chop up a corpse of a rat monster after you lop their head off if you are bored
sinful swallow
Blaze encourages bad trigger discipline
bitter turtle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1245948859763523686/S...
if you're doing glory
sleek garden
but that was the steam version
bitter turtle
you should pick up born leader
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volatile glory with infiltrate
sleek garden
im playing through game pass and it doesnt let you interact with corpses at all