veteran-class

[rocky jacinth]

no, triple S tier

[somber axle]

the entire squadron of Shotgunners have to stop and look at my crazy clown break dance routine with my zombie back up dancers as I turn the battlefield into a rave

[rocky jacinth]

unless you're some square who sits in the back with a plasma gun or something smh

[somber axle]

man now I'm wondering what shape I am

am I a square?

a rhombus?

maybe a circle

time for a quiz

[rocky jacinth]

you're a dodecahedron

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/siyeon-clown-siyeon-dreamcatcher-dreamcatcher-siyeon-lee-siyeon-gif-17511616

Clown shaped

Hrm. If I recall

Sustained fire works on the, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th shots right?

[somber axle]

nope

I got this

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[tall torrent]

depends on weapon

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-traps-gotcha-trick-haha-gif-3512193

[rocky jacinth]

nah man, more crit = more good on every single weapon and it's on the way to desperado

[tall torrent]

again, depends on weapon

[rocky jacinth]

unless you're using a revolver with weapons specialist i guess

then you'll just have your crit for free

[midnight totem]

I'm thinking, if I build a revolver solely for special and gunner hunting

And not carapace hunting

[tall torrent]

it would still 2 shot crushers

[somber axle]

if you're trading away carapace hunting, what's the tradeoff?

what are you trading it for?

[hearty panther]

Not exactly, cause Deadshot is only for your gun and only in ADS. Reciprocity is your melee and your gun at all times that it finds itself active. I find that much more valuable. And yes I'm ignoring the other effects of Deadshot cause I mean tbh nobody is taking it for sway reduction lol. And Determined exists.

[midnight totem]

I'm thinking I want glory hunter really

[tall torrent]

because you'd take +elite perk and that combines with superiority complex to get 2 crit HS crusher

[tall torrent]

not worth tbh

I only rly consider gloryhunter for 2 weapons

[somber axle]

I take it for the sway reduction when paired with Exe Stance because the combined sway reduction gives me pin-point accuracy on a weapon that can get disturbed by suppression easily

[tall torrent]

plasma and grenade gauntlet

[somber axle]

I am a clown though

so like

[midnight totem]

I find that having the toughness regen from glory hunter let's me be more aggressive against shotgunner and gunner packs

[somber axle]

I do things most would not

LMFAO

[hearty panther]

youre already pretty much maxed out on control with xstance

[midnight totem]

Basically, I'm removing hand cannon, or surgical

[rocky jacinth]

i'd rip hand cannon if i were you, crits still wreck armor and you really, really want those crits

[midnight totem]

I find hand cannon is only really needed for carapace and I got options to deal with those already

[somber axle]

That's fair

[muted knot]

But like

What else do you run on the revolver

[last parcel]

point blank

[midnight totem]

Crucian

Glory hunter

[hearty panther]

point blank

once they fix it

[last parcel]

they better not

[midnight totem]

They should just rework point blank

Increase stagger massively on the special attack

[hearty panther]

i mean

[midnight totem]

Guarantee crit on next shot

[hearty panther]

i wouldnt mind them giving the special any sort of purpose

but it sucks

[rocky jacinth]

but that's just weapons specialist

[hearty panther]

you ever bonk a poxburster with it?

its totally useless lol

[somber axle]

I love using Boltgun bonk to throw a poxburster

[midnight totem]

It's not

[somber axle]

hit them with the whole mailbox

[midnight totem]

Yes I have though

I've bonked a poxburster back

[hearty panther]

revolver whip has a habit of just tossing them in whatever direction the director feels like

including forward

but ya point blank, once it works as intended, is gud

[umbral garnet]

So glad to see they're adding the bolt pistol eventually.

https://tenor.com/view/i-kneel-kneel-kneeling-avgn-angry-videogame-nerd-gif-25509746

[somber axle]

NEXT MONTH BOLT PISTOL

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c021f02-c74b-457d-8c2a-2ab9944d4c68/clutch-vet

this is best revolver build (cuz its built by me)

[umbral scaffold]

^🙏🏼

[umbral garnet]

Commissars rejoice.

[hearty panther]

hopefully its fun and isnt just shit

[umbral scaffold]

The holy bolt pistol

[umbral garnet]

Should be a handcannon like the revolver

[midnight totem]

Bolt pistol, ability to instadown any recon user

[umbral garnet]

I think the revolver needs a nerf in that update to replace its role as a one shot monster

And instead make it a cleave-focused weapon.

That's just my take.

[dreamy spade]

It is cleave focused lol

[umbral garnet]

Ok, true.

It is.

I forget sometimes because I use it on carapace, mainly.

[midnight totem]

Bolt pistol, 10 percent chance to injure your health when firing because it breaks your wrist

[somber axle]

Put me down Commissar. It's too late for me. I've gone mad in the pursuit of using Recons. There is no hope of redemption

[last parcel]

hestia aint got shit on the clown virus

[midnight totem]

-puts you in the penal legions instead-

[somber axle]

I am a Reclown and the clown costume does not come off

[midnight totem]

I'm not going to lie though

I only took recon out of my own build because

[muted knot]

I mean the boltpistol is probably gonna be like a bigger bad lunch than the revolver right ? Just no cleave on it

[midnight totem]

I don't have a skin for it that goes well with green armor

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-tadc-gif-2518361363759790716

[midnight totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1245779176946929765/20240530124127_1.jpg?ex=6659fdc5&is=6658ac45&hm=a332bf32d04cd800893c60d479cabece16dee7285d4ac0cf7e05be0673f7f6b0&

[somber axle]

I'm imagining Bolt Pistol like Boltgun with a small explosion triggering stagger on enemies shot plus those in melee range around them but less cleave than revolver. Maybe can pen 2 heads but stops there. Better damage than Laspistol Mk X but less damage than Hand Cannon Revolver vs Crushers

[midnight totem]

I can't use a black recon lasgun with that camo

[somber axle]

And a terrible weakness to infested that only comes up when shooting hounds

[midnight totem]

It doesn't match

[somber axle]

Black Recon skin is so sexy though

[midnight totem]

It is. I'd use it with the wayfinder armor, were it not for the silly ass candles

[somber axle]

There's a certain green camo weapon skin that goes ok with it but isn't quite the same shade of green I think

I can show once my hair dries and I can get back to my computer

It's not an amazing match though

[midnight totem]

Cool

[hearty panther]

yea kinda like that

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly

Or with the cover art Veteran look

[hearty panther]

that was my one quibble with the droptroop skins

the weapon skin didnt fit them them, and also, the MKII was the best looking fit for the skins <.<

and i wasnt gonna go that far

[somber axle]

I want a grav chute backpack and would drop 2900 aquilas for it

please

Complete my Elysian look

[hearty panther]

and make it light up when i jump

[somber axle]

YES

[hearty panther]

doesnt do anything just lights up

[somber axle]

Or when falling

Make it light up when dodging too

I'd LOVE that

[somber axle]

They're my favourite

I adore them

[midnight totem]

That Chaos Marine is about to get kraked

[somber axle]

Put a Chaos Marine in Darktide and I'll bring the Krak to open the diseased crab man

[hearty panther]

wtf is that recon he's holding tho

it looks so fat and chunky

[somber axle]

Elysians have some funny weapons hold on

[hearty panther]

did they steal a bunch of thrown out props from starship troopers

[somber axle]

Look at how dumb the Mk IVe looks

[rocky jacinth]

see that plasma gun? we need stocks

[somber axle]

Wdym stocks

The Plasma gun in Darktide has a pistol grip

[midnight totem]

Hrm... this outfit setup looks good. Can't decide whether I like it more then my old setup

[rocky jacinth]

you know, a buttstock

[hearty panther]

these all look so stupid

also lmfao a NINE KILOGRAM shaped charge

[somber axle]

Yes and the dumber they look the more I wish they were in game

Imagine the first sniper rifle added to the game is a fucking Recon

[rocky jacinth]

you know what i'll say it, the bolter looks FUCKING STUPID when it's stockless when it's not used by a space marine

[hearty panther]

i would not have bought the game tbh

[hearty panther]

like i do enjoy how fatshark made the chainswords feel and work

but there is a part of my brain that cannot be turned off

and it keeps saying "newton's law"

[midnight totem]

Black is sleeker, but the new Flak Armor gives me proper frontlining vibes

[hearty panther]

because i understand that the force it would take to saw through that carapce armor,

is producing an equal amount of force

PULLING ME INTO HIM

[midnight totem]

What do you guys think

[hearty panther]

standard issue boots should be fukken cleated for ice climbing

otherwise 90% of combat deaths would be from chainswords launching their soldiers forward into enemylines on first contact

[rocky jacinth]

give me a boltgun that looks like THIS

[candid agate]

you have one

[rocky jacinth]

not anymore, i had to uninstall the mod

[midnight totem]

I dunno

that space marine might be pissed you stole his bolt rifle

[terse idol]

Bolt rifle what theee

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cease-your-heresy-gif-19891262

gn spark ead

[rocky jacinth]

they gave primaris marines lots of new different long barrel bolters including drum mag and sniper variants

i think it's time

[somber axle]

idk Argenta rocks one and I think she looks pretty cool

[rocky jacinth]

you hear me fatshark?

[somber axle]

I was responding to this but my CAT stepped on my keyboard

this is a boltgun too yeah?

[rocky jacinth]

Necromunda Hired Gun let you do a lot of really fun stuff to bolters too

[last parcel]

i need to change my pants now

[somber axle]

this one is my Rogue Trader character (though I changed her a little bit)

the portraits just sorta give you default character designs you can run with if you want

This is going to be me in Darktide in a month when they finally put the Bolt Pistol in game

[last parcel]

10/10 would execute deserters again

[somber axle]

I still feel really guilty gaslighting my friend into executing a random Guardsman because his story didn't add up

only to find out later that it did and I'm a clown

[rocky jacinth]

I wonder if the bolt pistol will be more revolver or more laspistol

[last parcel]

he was guilty of wasting your time

[somber axle]

the only thing he ended up wasting was a shot from my friend's laspistol tbh

[somber axle]

wait a sec I just noticed that isn't a bolt pistol

are there flamer pistols

[last parcel]

it would seem so

[somber axle]

oh also I said I'd show you the green camo skin and like

it's also not a good match

different shade of green and also the darker green on the gun conflicts with the white streaks on the armour imo

[midnight totem]

thats still better then what we got now though

[tall torrent]

It’s just tzeentch tomfoolery

[somber axle]

HAT

and plasma

which will probably never see the light of day in my hands in an actual match

but it is the only gun with a matching skin so I had to

actually nevermind I'll just take it into a match eventually and stop moaning so much about it

I love charged shots

[midnight totem]

I hate the new pants sadly

[somber axle]

I like them

I don't mind that I'm missing leg armour on one side

kinda gives it the feel that this is old scavenged trash and this is all they could find of it

we're penal legion rejects after all

as shiny as our new toys look, they're all hand-me-downs

[terse idol]

Now TO BE FAIR

[north raptor]

yea i love the ogryn pants with plates strapped to it

[terse idol]

When we're trust level 30 we are part of the inqusitorial warband

[north raptor]

the most expendable part

[somber axle]

Oh definitely and the guards begin to warm to us

[terse idol]

We're practically a kill team

[somber axle]

Hestia begins to like us too around 4000~ish penance points

[terse idol]

Although under funded yeess

[hearty panther]

but they dont really give a shit

[somber axle]

The funniest moment was on my Ogryn and she went "can I touch you??"

[hearty panther]

we're still just a suicide squad that hasnt pulled off the first part yet

[somber axle]

Lady NO

[hearty panther]

much to their own surprise

[candid agate]

hestia wants to touch my ogryn and im scared for him

[terse idol]

I mean rental

Rendal even

Cares about us

[somber axle]

We need an adult

[hearty panther]

Grendyl?

[terse idol]

We ain't thaat expendable

[hearty panther]

Rannick?

[terse idol]

I mean uh

Rannick

Rank

Yeah

[candid agate]

get this new creep outta here

[hearty panther]

I mean he cares on the same level that a CEO cares about its employees at a single restaurant.

Implicitly by duty, explicitly otherwise not at all

[somber axle]

The funniest bit is that the crew have bets on when we bite the dust and Hallowette is for sure cleaning house betting on us to win every time

[hearty panther]

I also, like, I can't, with this story tbh

I can't reconcile it at all

Because somehow everybody escaped from a prison ship and each of us pulled a knife out of Zola once

like how fucking often does this lady get stabbed

[somber axle]

LMFAO nah just the player reject

[hallow parrot]

tbf it's their fault for betting on the squad that can respawn

[somber axle]

The other rejects are just caged animals pulled from their beds when they need more bodies into the grinder

[hearty panther]

yeah there's the MMO take where it's like

[somber axle]

Gears of War already did the whole prisoners to soldiers thing so I'm not bothered by it here

[hearty panther]

"no you specifically are always the main character and everyone else populates the world"

but they're all told the same thing

that doesnt work for me

whatever though i didnt buy this game for the story

[somber axle]

We were all given the "I am a Warrior!" speech

[hearty panther]

see that's all the game we needed

[somber axle]

But the whole plot with a traitor on board? That's your main character syndrome kicking in

[hearty panther]

"you're all human trash, listen to this robot and go grab a mission at the board"

[somber axle]

Zola chose us for the Karnak Twins because we're the only ones who keep coming back from the worst ops they throw people into

Do you think the average squad of guardsmen have a chance against a raging Plogryn or Burgle without tank support?

[hearty panther]

i mean i have to assume they do

[somber axle]

Chaos Spawn probably routinely tears through their ranks

[hearty panther]

because i killed one with a gray catachan sword at level 12

[north raptor]

terrible game

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/gears-of-war-yep-marcus-fenix-yup-yes-gif-17966132

[umbral scaffold]

Wooooahhh stop the 🥩

[somber axle]

I very much enjoyed Gears of War 1 and 2

Loved the cover system and closing locust holes

The weapons were fun

[umbral scaffold]

All of em after 3 sucked to me

[somber axle]

Chainsawing enemies in half with your gun is wonderful and I don't understand why we don't have chainsaw bayonets in 40k

[umbral scaffold]

Yea fr

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/gears-of-war-gears-of-war-chainsaw-gif-6186586

[umbral scaffold]

I mean the chain sword is close enough I bet if they did make a gun like that Epic Games would be flipping shit

[somber axle]

At one point I held Marcus in the same Esteem as Master Chief

And after Halo Infinite and the dumb Halo TV series

[umbral scaffold]

Oooof

[somber axle]

I hold Marcus higher

[umbral scaffold]

That show was garbage

So much tv shows and movies coming out now about games

[hearty panther]

can i be honest with a somewhat bad take

halo peaked and ended with halo 2

that was twenty years ago

[umbral scaffold]

We have warhammer coming up with Henry Cavill

[hearty panther]

i do not know what people still see in the franchise

[somber axle]

Halo 3 and Reach were good

[umbral scaffold]

Exactly wat I was gonna say

[hearty panther]

but it never topped 2. 2 was a fucking juggernaut to be fair

[somber axle]

I also enjoyed Halo ODST

I did not like 4 or 5

[hearty panther]

but it has never pulled the same way

[somber axle]

Infinite fell apart fast LMFAO

[umbral scaffold]

Dude reach and 3 brought together everyone with custom games and forge

[bitter turtle]

I don't even watch or read chainsaw man

[somber axle]

I'll agree 2 was my fav but the others were not bad

Not until 4 onward imo

[bitter turtle]

I just think kobeni is neato

[hearty panther]

chainsawman is worth reading

[umbral scaffold]

2 had my fav campaign idky just did maybe that’s just me when I was a kid idk

[bitter turtle]

I don't watch or read jump manga

Except ruri dragon

[hearty panther]

youre missing out, chainsawman is unironically peak

[bitter turtle]

I made an exception

[hearty panther]

at least in manga

[bitter turtle]

Once

Shonen manga is never gonna be peak to me

[stable scaffold]

This guy aint real

[midnight totem]

We aren't cool enough

[oblique totem]

It's ok. The main character's main pull is how miserable he is and how awful his life is

[midnight totem]

They're on bolters

[bitter turtle]

I'll go reread bokurano if I want misery porn

[tall torrent]

Based

[shadow hearth]

Chodesaw...

[oblique totem]

Chain bayonet attachment

[terse idol]

Okay okay to be fair like, the Zola bit happened once

Like OUR

Dude, is the main character

Of the story

All the other rejects, literally npcs

[oblique totem]

I like to think Zola just gets stabbed a lot

[terse idol]

So all these events really only happen once

[shadow hearth]

Stabbing just gets retconned and added again

[midnight totem]

Absolutely. That's why when I'm in a squad of all vets I'm the only guy without a helmet

Got that plot armor

[bitter turtle]

You're telling me wolfer didn't just get captured a few thousand times to be broken out?

[hearty panther]

its devious

[somber axle]

The Fallout TV series is apparently REALLY good

All of my friends gave it lots of praise

[hallow parrot]

they're doing a borderlands tv show

[somber axle]

I haven't seen it yet

[hallow parrot]

cate blanchett is playing Lilith

No I don't know what they are smoking over there either.

[terse idol]

There are multiple wings of the giant megaplex prison we're in experiencing the same blowing up with the same burster 500 times

[midnight totem]

Simple

[terse idol]

And wolfer looks at the prisoner when he leaves and thinks to himself another 500 times

"Naw this dude ain't got what it takes"

[midnight totem]

Tzeentch is fucking with Nurgle subtly

Retconning shit

[terse idol]

Its honestly comedic the more I think about it

[somber axle]

We're killing Burgles, Plogryns and Chaos Spawn

[terse idol]

Zola from off screen jumps down captures wolfer 500 more times for only the same event to occur

[somber axle]

We're killing Daemonhosts

How much cooler do we need to be

[midnight totem]

Haven't killed a space marine yet

[bitter turtle]

SMH why didn't wolfer just execute all the rejects, is he stupid??

[somber axle]

I have my Elysian armour and kraks

Point me at one

[midnight totem]

I'm trying! I submitted an idea for a plague marine boss

[somber axle]

I'm going to recreate some art in battle

Veteran with a Laspistol and some Kraks brings down a Chaos Space Marine

[bitter turtle]

No marines

Give us a rotfly boss

[midnight totem]

Sorry, darktide 2 only

[somber axle]

Space Marine 2 on the radar

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-warhammer40k-space-marine-warhammer40k-space-marine-drop-space-marine2-gif-26390771

[hallow parrot]

blueberryposting

"brother the codex astartes does not support anything other than missionary"

[last parcel]

started making the recon sniper and finished realizing that i made nothing match

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[muted knot]

Brother I do missionary cause my gf don't look like a plogryn

[midnight totem]

Bruh

[oblique totem]

Real clown hours

[bitter turtle]

Not much interest on my part in SM games but I'm surprised we haven't gotten some horror game for 40k yet

Seems like it'd be a perfect fit

Some world left in the dark bc of great rift

Boom zombie plague/gsc

Hapless civilian tries to survive and you think you survived at the end only to get exterminatused or something

[last parcel]

the guard shows up and guns you down to avoid risk of infection

[bitter turtle]

Ya basically

Horror premise right there

And I think a lot of ppl forget how terrifying it must be to be some no name shitter in this setting

Imagine being hunted down by some demon possessed servitor in the middle of a plague outbreak

Spoogy

[somber axle]

Tbh this makes me wish I had the mod because I'd change a Kantrael IV to look like a lore accurate Recon Mk IVe and then use it in matches

[hallow parrot]

The only problem I have with DT is that the areas taken over by chaos look so friggin clean

[somber axle]

I don't because my ex did

[north raptor]

i kinda like this

[somber axle]

Legitimately thought I was asexual for 8 years and it turns out I just was not physically attracted to them LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

I think because it's still early stages

[midnight totem]

Besides the plague tree

[hallow parrot]

I mean areas like the carnival or baross or stuff like that yeah

[bitter turtle]

Hab dreyko is an example of a badly corrupted place ye

[midnight totem]

But yes, it's in the early stages.

[stable scaffold]

16 minutes till bloodborne 2 and remastered port for pc comes out

[bitter turtle]

Also practically speaking

[stable scaffold]

Or gets announced or whatever

[bitter turtle]

It'd actually be boring if everything looked like plague tree textures

That's prolly why they dont

[hallow parrot]

like they're areas that have been taken over by a zombie army and squad's commenting on how the preacher must have died at that pristine spotless pulpit

[bitter turtle]

Only so much you can do with gooey bio material

[midnight totem]

Haha sucks to be him. Can you imagine the hit to that ego?

[hallow parrot]

I understand why not every area is covered in viscera but eh

[midnight totem]

If the place was that badly corrupted, everywhere

[bitter turtle]

I would think it would b good for a horror 40k game in the dark though

If they had it

[midnight totem]

The rejects wouldn't be there

It'd just be exterminatus

[bitter turtle]

Wouldn't be too repetitive in poor lighting

[midnight totem]

Or calling in the Marines

[hallow parrot]

yeah no a lot of the ambience is really nice, particularly when you're in the slums and stuff

but in general it feels like the moebian sixth must have one hell of a cleaning crew

[midnight totem]

They're not badly corrupted. Yet

[terse idol]

Now not nessasarily

[old quail]

the thing is the missions all have a very specific time period following the outbreak of hostilities

[terse idol]

Me as I butt in to

Drop my opìnion

But nothing short of like

[old quail]

like right after the 6th start doing their stuff

[terse idol]

An orc infestation

Or tyranid infestation

[old quail]

the karnak twins mission has you revisit part of magistrati and it has gone much more to shit

[terse idol]

And I'm saying at least 90% of the planet

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[old quail]

hab dreyko's end event used to be much cleaner and then they let a great unclean one in there to use the bathroom once

[terse idol]

Will only a exterminatus be considered

[midnight totem]

True

[terse idol]

If there was so much nurgle corruption on a planet that papa nurgle might bust through

The grey knights might have to drop in

[midnight totem]

We don't know the condition of the other hive city

[terse idol]

Yeeahh

[midnight totem]

If our hive gets fully nurgle rotted

And the other hive is taken over completely by a gsc

Maybe it'd be considered

[terse idol]

Yee I'll agree as much

[hallow parrot]

I appreciate darktide's much more sober mission flow, but sometimes I wonder how it would play if it had the trippy michael bay sorta moments VT2 had

[midnight totem]

As long as it comes with another bombastic music track

Hell yes

[rocky jacinth]

since you mention 40k horror game, you know what i want to see?

a 40k horror point and click adventure game

where you play as an inquisitorial agent on a job investigating some murders or something, kind of like the westwood Blade Runner game but 40k and spooky

[bitter turtle]

ye

lots of potential there too

[rocky jacinth]

and instead of giving people the voight kampff test you can BLAM them with your bolt pistol

[somber axle]

I cut off all contact with my ex after the break up tbh and I don't use anything like Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc. because I don't want anyone to be able to just look me up so easily but like yeah LMFAO they would be really upset if they found out

Gotta be sneaky

[midnight totem]

Well it is in your name

Gotta represent

[last parcel]

stealth trainin did its thing

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-coutch-spy-hiding-sneaky-gif-21271925

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bam-cat-gif-20133485

[oblique totem]

That's kind of funny

[steep nexus]

Realest shit I ever heard

The day I speak to one of my exes is the day the world burns

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-good-job-okay-games-meme-gif-9114801

[midnight totem]

Wouldn't even talk to my ex on that day

[somber axle]

I kept in contact with one ex for a while. We stayed friends but I don't really talk to them anymore. But that was before my last ex so

[candid agate]

many kills

[steep nexus]

I have had enough bad relationships for one lifetime, I don’t need to go back to them 🙏

[somber axle]

Rogue Trader kiiiinda has this feel

You're not an Inquisitorial Agent but without spoiling anything the Inquisition IS involved and there's a very high profile death early on warranting investigation

[rocky jacinth]

Yeah but it's a CRPG, there's no procedurally generated game scenario or anything

[somber axle]

The game kinda feels point and click adventure at a lot of segments with CRPG elements

[somber axle]

In the intro a warp vision appears of a named character trying to deceive everyone after an explosion that sets off encroaching fires and choking smoke. You can, at a Sister of Battle's words, walk into the flame. You can choose to ignore the circumstances and rush to the officer's deck to meet up with an ally to rally defenders against the heretic attack. Or you can order your squad to fall back and begin getting the paralyzed crew, civilians and guardsmen to safety

My friend did the fire thing in his run where we're doing a co-op playthrough because he really, really wanted to impress Sister of Battle

I rescued my people in my solo playthrough

Both had very different narrative outcomes and had additional story threads that played out because of it with branching dialogue and plot

[rocky jacinth]

I mean, if you haven't played Blade Runner, it randomizes who the suspects are every playthrough, it's a proper investigation game

[somber axle]

I got to tell another warp vision "No matter the odds I will save my people. Do your worst daemon scum." and it felt SO COOL where my friend didn't get that option at all

Also I have a weird demon in my head that makes me smile at people

Because I chose a weird option my friend didn't

[somber axle]

Idk about any randomized elements though. Just story points that change based on your character origins, archetype, etc. and your choices

[rocky jacinth]

I'll have to play Rogue Trader at some point, I still haven't finished WotR though

[somber axle]

So far I've had a lot of fun with it

As weird as it sounds I've enjoyed it more than BG3 and like Baldur's Gate 3 is objectively the better game

[rocky jacinth]

A lot of people like WotR over BG3 so I get it, Owlcat has a different style to their games to Larian

[somber axle]

I got to tell orphans that it's ok to be sad about heretics killing their friends and parents!

[rocky jacinth]

Don't know how it compares to RT though

[somber axle]

So far my fav character is Idira just because her personality is so wild

[elder fiber]

Idira is cool b/c she can summon a daemon in the prologue during combat if you're really lucky

[muted knot]

Well that is a take lmao

[somber axle]

So far all she has done in both the coop and solo runs has been spontaneously exploding and setting fire to the area around her

And we've just lucked out that she is usually behind cover far from allies whenever it happened

[muted knot]

Abelard my beloved, rip Sneaky cats femurs out

[crimson veldt]

What set up do i need in order to get the penance Killshot ready as fast as possible?

[muted knot]

Which ones killshot ?

[crimson veldt]

marksman's focus

[bitter turtle]

crabwalk with melee

[muted knot]

Ah

[bitter turtle]

melee kills at 10 stacks count

[somber axle]

Idira is just fun. I loved talking to her. I asked her what it is like being a Psyker and she said she could talk my ear off for hours but I would never truly understand. It would be like trying to describe colours to the blind and that analogy is so good

[muted knot]

My problem is just with her class and her psyker stuff

[crimson veldt]

so like a grenade melee build?

[somber axle]

Abelard is cool but so far the most interesting thing about him is that I suspect he had a hidden romance going on with Theodora behind closed doors and it was fun to question/tease him about whether or not he was in love with her because he gets so stunned and defensive LMFAO

[muted knot]

I considered respeccing her to pyromancer

[bitter turtle]

just crouch during horde

and hit them with your melee as usual

[crimson veldt]

kk

[bitter turtle]

dodge sideways if you need to move

obv dont contineu to crabwalk when nyou are moving to the next area

[muted knot]

I like how he's just a down ass foo ready to tear apart whatever you send him at

[bitter turtle]

just od it when you're kikling hordes

[muted knot]

Argenta isn't Romancable and that's just not acceptable for me

[somber axle]

Talent that gives +3 range to Charge is beautiful

Let him rip and tear until it is done

[muted knot]

Absolutely + the sword that removes charge cool down on chargekill

[somber axle]

There's a sword that does that?!

[muted knot]

Ye

[somber axle]

I'm still kinda early game in both my coop and solo runs so I have much to learn

[muted knot]

The way to get it gives you a small little uhhhh +30 heretical lol

[somber axle]

I haven't even touched down on a planet post intro in my solo run and in my group run we literally just finished the fight by the big lens

[muted knot]

Ahhhh

Okay that's fair

There's a lot coming

It's a really good game imo

[somber axle]

Still very new to the game but having a lot of fun

I'm iconoclast in both my solo and my coop run

[muted knot]

What's your PCs class ?

[muted knot]

Same

(with a tinge of heresy)

[somber axle]

My friend got custom mercs from the fat guy and let us design them so we could have our own custom characters

I made a Biomancy Psyker in the Soldier Archetype to do healing and support fire

Idk what I'm doing for a build but I wanted to be the group healer for coop

[muted knot]

I run without a healer but that's down to me just buffing argenta into the. Stratosphere

[somber axle]

On my solo run I am an Astra Militarum Commander with the Soldier Archetype

One sec I can show

I only just made her like 2 days ago but haven't had much play time because of work

[muted knot]

I just chose hecata (one of the presets)

[somber axle]

I saw the Fortress World special thing and thought it would be funny to pair Never Stop Shooting with the Heroic Action for more attacks and the funny Run and Gun extra action with an officer for crazy action economy

[muted knot]

Yeah you'll see where that leads hahaha

[somber axle]

My Arcane Archer Fighter in D&D ripped things apart with how many actions she could do so I thought the same would work well here

Action economy can change the tide of a fight

[muted knot]

Burst is completely busted so look forward to that

Especially once you reach some levels in arch militant

[somber axle]

I want to go all in on lasguns but they seem pretty weak compared to other weapons

I'll probably fall into Boltgun whenever that unlocks for my character

[muted knot]

They are pretty sweet for their dodge reduction

[somber axle]

I already grabbed Rapid Reload for the free first reload and reduced AP cost reloads

[muted knot]

I have both my arch militants on heavy weapons, argenta on heavy bolter and my PC on Multimelta

[somber axle]

Burst Fire into groups and wipe crowds

Also brb at work and need to do some work before I get in trouble

[muted knot]

Oh and something you might find interesting: Concentrate fire ( soldier talent) works on burst attacks which it's not supposed to

Long story short: my argenta shoots 16 bullets in one burst each of them doing between 150 and 200 damage

And that's one burst

[midnight totem]

its absolutely broken

[austere pine]

worth the milkbucks?

[midnight totem]

even I heard of it andI don't even play RT

[austere pine]

also got a fuckass power sword at milk but i already have sunder and the stats are garbage

[midnight totem]

whew, that was a spicy maelstrom

Lights Out, Specialist Waves, and Monsters

I hate walking right into a hundred gunners because I CAN'T SEE MY OWN HANDS INFRONT OF ME

Well, thats what compulsive tagging is for

[austere pine]

won't work when it's shooters

[midnight totem]

maybe I've played the game too much if I can navigate a level in the dark

eh, I can react and dodge out of a hundred regular shooters

[muted knot]

Whaaaat I think it's definitely intended that a weapon with 6-9 basedamage deals 190 crits

[midnight totem]

the emperor provides

[somber axle]

Can I do that with a lasgun

I really want to do lasgun burst fire

Let me use a Recon in Rogue Trader

[steep nexus]

Lasgun lovers unite 🫡

[faint beacon]

Love me balistic weapons, except you CIAG I hate you

[bitter turtle]

9man

agrivolver is just way more fun than zarona

[hearty panther]

yes

[bitter turtle]

like

its not even close

whipping it out and unloading on a crusher coming at you is just way more fun than "duuuuh let me hold surgical"

[austere pine]

@bitter turtle @tall torrent was this a good purchase at milk's place?

[bitter turtle]

looks good yeah

terrifying to full bore

unarmored to maniac prolly

[last parcel]

keep terrifying

[austere pine]

did exactly that jun

a pity that it's agri. not a big fan but i suppose it gives me range on vet

when running a shotty

[bitter turtle]

agri is fun

and probably the best shotgun for vet imo

since its sekritly a DMR

[austere pine]

sekritly

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/musket-roadman-gif-22519863

[bitter turtle]

yeah

dont tell anyone though

its a sekrit from everyone

srsly though you can onetap ragers and under and notably poxbursters

[austere pine]

i can what

not flak ragers but who cares, really

[hallow parrot]

I should play around more with shotguns.

[austere pine]

worse revolver, flamer or autogun

[hallow parrot]

It's a weapon I always mean to mess around with but dakka always wins over

[austere pine]

but they're fun if you can get over their garbage shooting sounds

[bitter turtle]

the boss dps on agri is also very nice

can do about half a boss hp bar in one mag

[hallow parrot]

I haven't touched revolvers at all either, much like infiltrate I feel if you're good you're going to be very good with it, but if you're bad you're going to sssuuuucckkk

[bitter turtle]

nah

zarona is brain dead easy

[elder fiber]

nah revolvers got giant headshot hitbox

[bitter turtle]

the bullet has a bigger hitbox than normal

[hallow parrot]

darktide moment

[elder fiber]

and if you run WS the "weakness" of its reload doesn't matter

[bitter turtle]

you can onetap flak ragers

[last parcel]

YEET

[hallow parrot]

what would you run if you wanted to do something off agile engagement?

[austere pine]

what level no respite are you running?

[austere pine]

revolver

[hallow parrot]

I feel like you could have a lot of fun with that perk but it's too much of a hassle

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt matter because no respite doesnt proc until they actually get staggered

[hallow parrot]

revolver, nice, that gives me an excuse then

[austere pine]

especially a WS always prepared crucian roulette

looking for this

[bitter turtle]

no blessings on it, still can 1tap

[austere pine]

maybe some talents

[bitter turtle]

ya i run gun heavy for shotgun

rather than WS

its valid too but

i find it better to extend the effective range of the normal shots

[austere pine]

with a procced full bore 3 it oneshots flak

do you run tactical reload on it?

[hallow parrot]

I'm assuming if you want to play off agile engagement you probably want to go full right tree

[bitter turtle]

tac reload is mandatory on all shotguns

[austere pine]

not necessarily

[bitter turtle]

also dont sleep on the normal shots

they can 1tap gunners on headshots at a surprising range

flamers as well, bu ti tend to bodyshot slug them

[austere pine]

i personally run it with infiltrate but not smokes

[agile forge]

Helbore is an option

1 or 2 marks only

[austere pine]

what would you want to run with it, otto?

[hallow parrot]

yeah I was thinking something more wacky like VoC or something more comfortable to my candy ass

I dunno man, like, honestly, I have this tree and I'm terrified of moving it too much

[austere pine]

voc is absolutely a build

i'm just addicted to infiltrate

[agile forge]

WS infiltrate with kraks is fun with chainsword 4 and zarona

[bitter turtle]

ye infil is fun

[hallow parrot]

I'm running mostly central tree with a detour into marksman for the bottom line

[bitter turtle]

er didnt mean to quote

[austere pine]

make that ps6 and bash spam with this

if your bottom bit doesn't look like this, you're doing it wrong

[bitter turtle]

well

[agile forge]

Also solid but I have used my powersword to death already

[bitter turtle]

idont know about dropping superioritycomplex

but

[agile forge]

Chainsword 4 is friggin amazing too

[bitter turtle]

yeah that is how a lot of my builds look mostly

[agile forge]

Just bad vs carapace

[hallow parrot]

yeah was going to mention SC above anything

[agile forge]

But better horde clear than power sword

[austere pine]

not necessarily

[agile forge]

Mine is

[austere pine]

just takes a bit longer than i'd like it to

[agile forge]

Savage sweep rampage

[bitter turtle]

you cant really make CS4 good against carapace on vet

we dont have fotf to cheat

[austere pine]

good pen and good shredder make it better

[bitter turtle]

even bloodletter chs takes 2 revs

and that takes

[agile forge]

I need to revolver or krak them

[bitter turtle]

ages

considering the animation lock at least

[agile forge]

But tagging a mutant on a dodge with a revved hit

Just feels so good

And you can rev in stealth

Which is hilarious

[hallow parrot]

that zealot feeling

[austere pine]

"what's that chainsaw noise ah! oh fuck !!!!a aaaaaAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

[hallow parrot]

I never thought I'd say this but hi-int heresy is pretty fun.

hi int shock troop gets memey though

walking a fine line

[drowsy aspen]

...hey man, Auric Heresy is some fun shit

[muted knot]

You probably can use the same combinations of talents but I don't think there's any heavy las weapons (at least I haven't found any) and you kind of really want to have high rate of fire and a big magazine

[hallow parrot]

furthest I've gone was bumbling into a maesltrom heresy mission. I just quit out of respect for the rest of pugs

[drowsy aspen]

I would never do Heresy with my Ogryn, but with my other classes I'm not so good at, that difficulty is great

[hallow parrot]

like I was "nah, I am not useful in this situation"

[bitter turtle]

just pull the trigger and give it ago

you'll never be ready if you always say that

not like half the ppl queueing dont just get carried anyway

[hallow parrot]

I just don't know how you make it in a situation where you are just getting elites spammed onto you like the director is having a seizure, unless you go full infiltrator mlg 420 noscope shenanigans

maybe it was that particular maelstrom though, I haven't gone too far into that

[bitter turtle]

well

its not liek its literally 24/7 enemies

the main thing to watch for is just specialists from behind

that happens quite a lot on maelstroms

[hallow parrot]

again it's entirely possible that it was that particular maelstrom at the particular time I pugged in

[bitter turtle]

nah

not a dig against you

but you are probnably just inflating it in your head frfom behing overwhelmed

i can say even in a game where i had literally 400+ specialists spawn

ther ewas still moments to move forward

https://i.gyazo.com/4ea492585336abad4d296888ed24a0d1.png

but even such games like this aqre abnormal

9that or ppl on your team were just not doing dmg

i ha da 1m+ dmg game once that dragged forever bc it was 2 smitekers

[steep nexus]

The main problem I have in pubs most of the time is that I'm watching the back for specialists meanwhile the rest of the team runs on ahead because they think everything is dead

So I'm fighting for my life against every specialist in the known universe while they run away from me :(

[bitter turtle]

well

there's two ways to approach that problem

1. take a knife and run faste rhtan them

or 2. just get good at surviving against specialists on your own

[somber axle]

I will see what I can do

[night sparrow]

do i wanna go full-bore/no respite on an agri shottie or work in man-stopper/scatter shot

[somber axle]

It is my first playthrough so it is only normal difficulty

Proper builds probably only matter on higher difficulties

[bitter turtle]

full bore at least is necessary

imo

if you want to meme

you could mix one fo those in

but dropping fullbore means losing a few oneshots

[quartz dirge]

Hey guys, is there a normal lasgun with a bayonet, or do I need to be using a charge gun?

[midnight totem]

only the helbore charge lasguns have bayonet

[quartz dirge]

Hearbreaking, but thanks for letting me know

[hallow parrot]

doesn't one have a stock bash?

[torpid grotto]

Yo anyone have a build for mercy killer knife

[quartz dirge]

...surely not one with the bayonet

Right?

[torpid grotto]

Going pretty right side heavy rn but a lot of the stuff on the bottom looks enticing

[hallow parrot]

no I meant an infantry lasgun

[quartz dirge]

Okay good

[hallow parrot]

I'm not sure if I'm thinking of an autogun

[muted knot]

I play on normal too, it's just satisfying to run through every encounter with unfathomable brutality

[tall torrent]

Usable

[austere pine]

numbers man no longer a hater 2024 colorized

[tall torrent]

Well

A lot of things are usable

I just don’t personally care for things with <540 rating

[hallow parrot]

I've had my taste of the grunt scratch card life and I can't say I care a whole lot for it

entire proginia college fund just spent on IAG storage lots

[umbral parrot]

Came back from Work and i'm happy to see more Sludge camo set~! ❤️

Time to show these Mobians how Cadian fights!

[austere pine]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-welcome-rock-and-roll-on-stage-performing-gif-17355029

SLUDGE

[tall torrent]

That’s pretty crazy considering IAGs are like the easiest weapons to roll

[hallow parrot]

that's kinda the best I got from like 500k worth of armory purchases

[sullen scarab]

Best perks/blessings on the Devil's Claw MKIV? Flak/Unarmored/Maniac and Rampage/Savage Sweep?

[hallow parrot]

flak's mandatory

even with it DCs are awful against armor but particularly flak

[sullen scarab]

yeah I figured lol

[tall torrent]

flak + elite/maniac
savage sweep/skullcrusher + rampage

imo

[sullen scarab]

sounds good, thanks!

Is Wrath ok? Or nah

i have a few that ended up with them

[tall torrent]

skullcrusher + rampage doesn't hit as good horde clear speed as savage sweep, but it hits some better elite TTK numbers

[sullen scarab]

I had no idea, that's really neat

[tall torrent]

wrath is usable but not as consistent as savage sweep

[sullen scarab]

I'll keep those

yeah I always notice it falling off lol

back to the roll mines....

[hallow parrot]

I used a DC4 for a while but as much as I love it on hordes, I went back to chainsword

[sullen scarab]

which one did you end up using?

I've got a really good mk4 chainsword I've been itching to use more

[hallow parrot]

I have a cadia 4 I'm happy with, not really going into scratch card territory with melees until I'm happy with my ranged option

it's just there

[sullen scarab]

yeah lol

I like the heavies on the cadia 4 being sweeps

[tall torrent]

DC also has issue vs flak & carapace armor

just keep in mind

[sullen scarab]

yeah I only really use the DC when I'm using plasma or something

i just like how it feels cleaving through mobs lol

[hallow parrot]

yeah having to charge my hits to 1-hit a single trash scab doesn't feel great

but opening on a horde with it is just mm

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent I'd say not really no, casually grind some of them in the background

[sullen scarab]

yes

[tall torrent]

wanna vc

[faint beacon]

Currently in one atm, so sadly cannot

[tall torrent]

all good

[hallow parrot]

I still think chainsword and power sword offer comparative (if more elaborate) anti-horde while also being able to lovetap any stragglers without much trouble

[sullen scarab]

yeah the powersword always hurts my hand to use

since i have to keep turning it on repeatedly

or I botch the activation

vs the chainsword just....working when I hit people lol

[hallow parrot]

mood

I want to give axes a go. I know they're not what I'm looking for, but you also have to consider the cool factor sometimes

chain axes I should clarify

[sturdy zephyr]

One shot trashmob with axe. I found really struggle with crusher and mauler

[somber axle]

I love high difficulty stuff but I need to work into it to enjoy it. I'm still learning mechanics and optimal talents for builds. I want to do an Operative 1 shot 1 kill build for a follow up playthrough and then combo them with officers to just keep forcing them to kill things

But for now I learn and see the story

[sullen scarab]

i love the rashad mk ii

i one shot mobs

[hollow ibex]

It's funny swinging the Rashad and seeing four heads fly off

Prob the main upside to an otherwise boringly strong weapon

[sullen scarab]

yes lol

its just so efficient

[muted knot]

The difficulty falls off after act 2 imo, you just get so much power that the increased enemy numbers don't really stack up against it

[wise fossil]

The chain weapons are in an okay spot, I just wish the revved damage was more spread out over the Rev and not mostly at the end of the activation

When you have multiple crushers & maulers swinging overheads at you, it gets really difficult to actually pull off the revved damage in a way that, for instance, the Zealot's crusher doesn't struggle with

[bitter turtle]

It's to force you to commit to revving by design but it is a bit silly when knives and pswords can delete the same thing in under 1 second while weaving in and out of crusher range

[wise fossil]

Yes exactly

Design is alright in a vacuum, but other weapons stand head and shoulders above it by comparison

[bitter turtle]

I consider it the cost of being a melee that requires literally no talent investment though

I run it on every gun heavy build I do

Even knife still wants recip and desperado

[hallow parrot]

I remember trying both at launch and the CS feeling much more capable in a normal use scenario for a vet which is mostly just horde clear for me

axe felt more single target kinda dealio which in turn made it rely more on revving

[bitter turtle]

Good clear and a bloodletter.chs matches well against everything that isn't a crusher

But a gun focused build can prolly kill carapace with gun anywsy

[hallow parrot]

yeah that's kinda the deal with both vet and gunlugger ogryn for me

only case you're going to go hard 1-1 melee is if you've run out of ammo

[bitter turtle]

Also man

Just tried graia brauto + knife

In theory it's a good pair but I didn't like it

Brauto feels slow to swap out and half the time I got annoyed with the unreliable ttk ans just ran up and stabbed shit

[hallow parrot]

I tend to run BAG on zealots but it's always kind of felt like a waste of vet potential

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Im needed on a different game, I'd say GL on the Mat grind

[tall torrent]

all good, gg

[atomic zephyr]

mfw i can actually feel the muscles in my forearm aching after using MG1A in auric histg

[sturdy zephyr]

From crusher and mauler i use my psword. Just way better than my gun. But 1vs7 of em nah. I run

[late hatch]

If you havent tried the rashad and plasma with weap spec, do yourself a favour and give it a go.

[tall torrent]

The issue with that is that you take a minimum of 1 point tax on longshot by not playing FT

It’s good but not as good as Zarona with WS

[late hatch]

Ive been playing it with infil or voc, the toughness replenishment blessing on plasma, and the weap spec burst helps get the stacks up on headtaker. Plasma has better uptime than rev, at least for me

Even if I miss some BPs it feels great

[sturdy zephyr]

WS perk that recover bullet will auto reload ammo in the gun or in total ammo?

[late hatch]

And the damage boost on swap is pretty good with that other talent

[tall torrent]

It scales off of currently missing ammo in the magazine

[late hatch]

Ranged dam on melee kills and vice versa

[sturdy zephyr]

25% after kill melee/ranged

It a must imo for WS build.

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162275718563110933/1245658036140376155/image.png?ex=665a35b3&is=6658e433&hm=362e774cc32a3a5c3081ec47397098887ce8ada180324445e0dd8fb6727c3473&

[hallow parrot]

I really want to give that playstyle a go. Feels like it'd be fun

[late hatch]

We do some blasting

[tall torrent]

Rashad in general is very strong but it’s also one of the hardest weapons to roll for

[sturdy zephyr]

Bromentum is a good start

[hallow parrot]

but it would require some serious reworking of my skill tree and I'd probably have to forego a whole buncha team toughness regeneration which is like, 50% of my usefulness in a team from experience.

the other half being shooting those DAMN SNIPERS GOD DAMMIT GUYS HE'S RIGHT THERE.

so I'm terrified of going too hard into uncharted territory

[sturdy zephyr]

Tag tag and keep tagging really hella

[late hatch]

bromentum and headtaker is best imo, axes without bromentum feel pretty bad

[sturdy zephyr]

Help others

[tall torrent]

Combat axe without BM is entirely worthless

[sturdy zephyr]

I gave up to get headtaker. Still rolling those thunder blessing

[late hatch]

you get back toughness from voc and plasma blessing, or you use infil to drop agro and the low agro perk

[tall torrent]

Rashad + plasma has probably the highest toughness gain you can get playing as a veteran

[hallow parrot]

less for me and more to make sure next time the zealot sees something shiny over yonder he's at least topped up on toughness

[somber axle]

Is that for Unfair and Hard? I saw the warning that those difficulties slowly scale up until after Chapter 1 where they hit their true max difficulty. That might be there to provide scaling difficulty to offset the player's increasing power

[hallow parrot]

oh huh really, that's good to hear

[tall torrent]

Yea getting 20% toughness by killing 4 enemies per hit with a gun that gives 25% toughness on killing elite

Plus either confirmed kill or out for blood

You are basically infinite toughness regenerator

[late hatch]

confirmed kill is so good

[sturdy zephyr]

5% every enemies killed.

[tall torrent]

With O4B you regain 40% toughness per swing

[hallow parrot]

I feel like you can always count on a veteran with a really overkill weapon dropping on a pug, but less so someone who's just okay at all ranges and can keep the team going

[sturdy zephyr]

I still rely on physker sheild to get my melee vet going. They help alot

[hallow parrot]

I mean sure, and a gunlugger will do that better, but ynow, you need someone who does their job and just keeps the basics

[tall torrent]

Try smokes?

[hallow parrot]

smokes are actually a good answer for that

[tall torrent]

I actually think O4B for Rashad is almost always better than CK

40% toughness per swing is a crazy thing to think about

[sturdy zephyr]

I do try it when i was new to the game

Maybe im too rookie learn when n how to use smoke

[tall torrent]

Because functionally speaking smokes are very similar to Psyker’s bubble shield

Most QP players aren’t good at using or taking advantage of shield walls

Around 80~90% of the psyker shields I see are bubble

[hallow parrot]

I mean bubble shields are dope

[late hatch]

Smoke nades are really good too

[hallow parrot]

but I hadn't considered the fact that smoke nades work essentially like a shield, and honestly I want to try them now

[late hatch]

Look at your buff bar when you use them in the psyk

[hallow parrot]

krak nades are good but everyone and their mother run them

[tall torrent]

They’re not the most intuitive because they don’t work like traditional fps game smoke grenades

In most fps games u smoke to block line of sight

In darktide you smoke to conceal urself

It’s the concealment status on you that matters, not as much the physical smoke cloud

[stuck gorge]

i assume the reduced range for BoN is how close they need to be to puke on you

[tall torrent]

Yes

Embed fail

[stuck gorge]

we love how discord embed fails for no reason

cant even load the file 💀

usually clicking the link works but nah

[tall torrent]

But yea BoN and trappers have reduced range

[stuck gorge]

trappers range confuses me some times it feels like they need to be in arms reach before firing and sometimes they do it a bit farther out

[tall torrent]

Inside smoke they need to get really close

[bitter turtle]

If you need a visual

I recorded the effects

[tall torrent]

The funniest thing u can do is to throw a smoke down in hunting grounds

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

Start from there

[tall torrent]

And completely mess up hound AI

[bitter turtle]

I recorded every specialist

[tall torrent]

I think I’m gonna bring back the great - good - decent - niche - weak rating for talents

If this space is big enough to allow for it

Not doing it for weapons tho, the radar charts do the ratings’ job better

[bitter turtle]

I think it's worth mentioning ye

[torpid grotto]

SOME GIVE ME MERCY KILLER KNIFE BUIIIIIILLLDD

[midnight totem]

did you say please?

[tall torrent]

Take serrated blade talent, use uncanny strike

Use both superiority complex + bring it down

[torpid grotto]

PLEEEEAAAAASEEE

[torpid grotto]

interesting

I wasnt sure how good weapons specialist side was

[tall torrent]

The goal is to get

[torpid grotto]

vs all the bottom stuff

[tall torrent]

At max uncanny stacks

3 weakspot hit (heavy, push atk) kill both crusher & mauler

2 weakspot hit both ragers

[torpid grotto]

is it worth taking the 0.25 stam delay node

[somber axle]

Yes

Very much so

[torpid grotto]

thats good

[somber axle]

It is usually worth having at least one of those nodes depending on the build

There are two of them and both give you near instant stamina regen when you stop sprinting

But that's overkill

Just one is enough and is a very good QoL talent

[tall torrent]

Yes

[torpid grotto]

https://imgur.com/a/k65uW5u

any changes you'd make keeping krak and stealth?

[tall torrent]

Many

You want precision strikes -> superiority complex

You don’t rly need CQKZ since u already have reciprocity

Agile is very good but since u already play mercy I don’t think it’s a must-take node

You can get stam regen on left branch

Right after superiority complex

I don’t think u absolutely need WS toughness node (it is nice to have)

I’d consider iron will basically mandatory

[torpid grotto]

yeah I was just struggling with toughness uptime trying out vet for the first time

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need surprise attack on infiltrate

Get low profile and drop hunter’s resolve

[torpid grotto]

dope thanks

I'll try it out in 1 week when the game is done verifying

[tall torrent]

U might also want to drop demo stockpile for demo team

Saves 1 point

Infil talent tax is real and painful

[balmy flume]

looks at new mission hint
Do not tell me we have to mine stuff whilst under fire from Chaos forces lol

We going full Minecraft now

[torpid grotto]

good point

team might actually be killing 20 specialists/ elites in 60 seconds

i need to get rid of one point to get the 0.25 stam left side

....

pain

I think I have to get rid of one of the stealth upgrades

[tall torrent]

Get low profile, it’s enough

[sturdy zephyr]

Fellow vets. Nobody give love anymore to shredder pistol?

[somber axle]

I run Infiltrate with only Low Profile and it works well. Overwatch is very nice but unnecessary. The +damage and +toughness damage reduction nodes are nice but low profile basically invalidates the toughness damage reduction as long as you play around your team and don't get caught by stray poxbursters or mauler/crusher overheads

[last parcel]

clown, post the shredder gif

[somber axle]

One sec lemme find it LOL

[oblique totem]

This again?

[torpid grotto]

I use it its fun

I like knocking ragers down

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/3b24dfe506d548548b5a1f75bb7d50bc

Found it

[last parcel]

behold

[somber axle]

Here is what I used

If I swap Flak to Carapace I could do even sillier numbers on a Crusher with it

I also used it in Auric Damnation runs

It killed surprisingly effectively LMFAO

No idea what the numbers look like because I have yet to re-download Scoreboard but I do want to take it for a few spins through Auric and see how the Shredder performs

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[sturdy zephyr]

Gonna give it a spin.

[rapid palm]

wait autopistol is OP again?

[hollow ibex]

No lol

[hexed wave]

Can I get a quick rundown on the best way to make a Tanky Veteran.

[sturdy zephyr]

Ay,its fun.

Time to ruin somebody day

[hollow ibex]

Two toughness curios, one hp curio, take voc, iron will, both +25 toughness nodes

Actually not sure if that's even possible but could be

It's not going to be a good build though

[somber axle]

No. I am a clown and just grab as many possible damage talents, perks and blessings as I can while forsaking the meta abilities like Voice of Command to go all in on glass cannon that survives exclusively by break dancing through enemies

Plasma, Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun are all stronger

But if you want to embrace clown mode literally any and every weapon in the game can be funny in Aurics

I also have weird luck getting near perfect weapon rolls to toy with

[somber axle]

I did this:

Focus Target + Target Down is something I love for the toughness and stamina regen

[bitter turtle]

if by op

you mean

the actual worst gun

yeah its op

maniac damage on it is alright though

[somber axle]

Can take the point out of Get Back in the Fight if you want to put it elsewhere

You get a bunch of toughness nodes, toughness damage reduction nodes and confirmed kill with close order drill and iron will

I did 2 toughness and 1 stam curio but if you wanna go extra crazy you could swap the stam for HP or a third toughness curio LOL

Numbers cat did funny math on sprint efficiency and their findings were very funny

So you don't even really need the stam curio

[lusty sonnet]

yo how do we feel about infernus on lazpistol

[somber axle]

Ok or Good on the Laspistol Mk II depending on who you ask. Some prefer Dum Dum and Ghost but I like Infernus on the Mk II

It's bad for the Mk X Laspistol though

Dum Dum + Infernus is my go to for spamming Mk II shots

[sturdy zephyr]

I will find n roll mkX pistol to give a go

[somber axle]

Sometimes I swap out Infernus for Reassuringly Accurate on my Mk II Laspistol instead when doing my Medic build

[sturdy zephyr]

Mk2 still my best sidearm

[somber axle]

Also looking back at this you could swap Reciprocity and Desperado to Duck and Dive + the 0.25 stamina regen delay node under it instead if you want since both paths lead to the toughness node

[lusty sonnet]

yeah i like the mk II saw one in the shop with infernus

[somber axle]

Just depends on whether you value Reciprocity and Desperado more or if you value Duck and Dive + 0.25 Stam regen more

If you lose the point in Get Back in the Fight you could swap it into Trench Fighter Drill for the melee attack speed or maybe Demo Team for more nade regen or maybe even Vanguard up at the top for even more silly sprint duration

The funny thing is I see a path to grab both 0.25 Stam regen nodes with this and now I want to try this goofy tank build

Use it with Plasma and Glory Hunter

Swap For the Emperor into Born Leader

Become tanky medic

[midnight totem]

man, its hard to make an infiltrate with survivalist build I like

[lime gyro]

Whats the best blessings and perks to look out for on combat knife

[somber axle]

Uncanny is mandatory for blessings. Second blessing can be Mercy Killer, Riposte, Precognition or Executor. Mercy Killer is a fav for 2nd blessing when paired with the serrated blade talent

[midnight totem]

haymaker is funny too

but only on the mk6

[rigid pilot]

Buff autopistol

[lime gyro]

Thank you

[somber axle]

Numbers cat hasn't yet released their 2.0 guide so I am hesitant to answer on perks but the old guide (which I should say it not entirely up to date) suggested this:

[midnight totem]

huh, another fireteam breakpoint