veteran-class

[tall torrent]

The only situation where you want to run inspiring presence is to troll

[steep nexus]

If it regenerated grenades for my teammates I would take grenade regen

But it's just me so

💤

[tall torrent]

Do u know about the double frag technique

[orchid hemlock]

What if the best way to keep everyone alive is to kill the enemy?

[steep nexus]

Double frag technique?

[full nacelle]

[tall torrent]

u don’t know?

[thick kestrel]

it does... by you not picking up grenade packs letting team mates have them :>

[steep nexus]

I do not

[steep nexus]

I don't pick them up anyways

[orchid hemlock]

GRENAAAADE

Wait so you basically have 0 grenades the entire match?

[steep nexus]

My teammates have better grenades than I do

[full nacelle]

maybe you should use grenades more

[steep nexus]

So yeah

They can take the grenade pickups

[orchid hemlock]

Wait what

[tall torrent]

DOT scales non-linearly in this game, dealing very low dmg at low stacks and much higher dmg at higher stacks
2 frags apply 12 stacks of bleed on all enemies in 10m blast radius, which allows u to wipe mixed hordes extremely quickly

[full nacelle]

what secret bad grenades are you running?

[thick kestrel]

yeah... Frags are kind of phenominal... like... quite possibly THE best grenade

[midnight totem]

This is a vet, who has lost pride in his grenades

[midnight totem]

A sad sight

[orchid hemlock]

Nah have u seen Ogryn rocks

[tall torrent]

Zero nade regen on vet build is basically trolling

[thick kestrel]

rocks are friends, not grenades :>

[orchid hemlock]

No u don't get it

[steep nexus]

Don't get me wrong, killing a horde in a pinch can be useful sometimes, I usually do use my frags at some point, but in general, I feel like it's unneccesary most of the time

I have had my share of "oh shit, I'm nading that" moments

But I'm the kind of guy who never uses potions in video games

[orchid hemlock]

If you never use grenades, you only kill them with your gun 🧠

[steep nexus]

So generally I just save my two for that moment, and let my teammates who have more utility grenades do their thing

[thick kestrel]

not just hordes! because frags inflict bleeds they actually do surprising damage to... kind of everything ^^

[full nacelle]

frag grenades have massive utility... they stagger everything and clean up the horde so you can take out the big targets

[steep nexus]

Although if born leader is trolling

There's no reason not to take it

[full nacelle]

born leader is only useful in very specific builds

[thick kestrel]

of course all three Vet nades are pretty solid

[tall torrent]

If you get a grenade back every minute and could regen one for every 20 elite & specialist enemies u kill, you can be significantly more liberal on using grenades and not run out when you need them in a pinch

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah trolling aside, if I didn't have shout, I honestly have no idea what I would do to a rager horde coming at me if I didn't have grenades ☠️

[hearty panther]

ohhhhhhhhhhh now i get it

[midnight totem]

Eh. It's fine. He doesn't like using grenades.

It's okay to be wrong.

[steep nexus]

I just power sword them

[hearty panther]

i was throwing all my grenades straight into the air like an emergency flair

[steep nexus]

After they made ragers dodgeable

[hearty panther]

i didnt realize they could kill

[steep nexus]

It's not that big of a deal

[full nacelle]

I mean I didn't use grenades when I was in lower difficulties either

but that changes when things get serious

in damnation+

[steep nexus]

Lower difficulties wtfrog

[thick kestrel]

having a lot of fun using smokes for the first time, never gelled with them originally when they came out but finding them pretty damn sweet at higher difficulties with how nasty gunners get

[steep nexus]

I play mostly damnation and sometimes aurics..

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh I would much prefer just stunning them

They stinky 😔

[steep nexus]

There's definitely no reason for me not to take it if born leader is bad at least

[tall torrent]

What’s the association between nade regen and born leader??

[steep nexus]

The only reason I took inspiring presence was because I wanted born leader to be better

[full nacelle]

then you should know how powerful stunning an entire pack of maulers/bulwarks/crushers is while killing all the horde

is pretty good

[tall torrent]

Inspiring presence does NOTHING for born leader

[steep nexus]

You replenish more toughness, so your allies also do, no?

[tall torrent]

Born leader scales off of toughness gain (non-coherency-sources toughness)

[orchid hemlock]

OK but what about just being good, yall ever tried that?

[tall torrent]

Inspiring presence is toughness regen (coherency-sourced toughness)

[full nacelle]

literally never, Orcka

[tall torrent]

They literally do not interact at all

[steep nexus]

I see

[full nacelle]

Inspiring Presence is such a weird node

[tall torrent]

Inspiring presence is such a shit node

[full nacelle]

they need to change it

[orchid hemlock]

Inspiring presence is a node

[tall torrent]

They need to delete it

[full nacelle]

Now if they made it a mini Iron Will that extended to allies

shit would be busted on a Born Leader build

[tall torrent]

No

[orchid hemlock]

No u c if I use focus target, at max stacks and make sure the target is near everyone.....

[tall torrent]

It literally does not interact with any of the toughness gain talents

And helps at 1/3 value of a very mediocre curio perk

[steep nexus]

Is that because they say "for you and allies in coherency"?

[orchid hemlock]

Oh and I max my toughness regen and make sure to always be in coherency.....

[full nacelle]

let him cook

[tall torrent]

Target down?

[steep nexus]

Yes

[orchid hemlock]

Oh and I make sure I use toughness regen blessings on all my weapons......

[tall torrent]

Target down is for every AIC with you to gain 5% of each recipient’s toughness per stack applied when a gold-marked enemy is killed

Yes this sentence is a mouthful but it’s how it works accurately

[steep nexus]

But you wouldn't apply that and then also 15% of what you regained?

[tall torrent]

You’d spread 15% of the 5%/stack you got (which scales from your total toughness) to AIC with you

[orchid hemlock]

Then I always make sure that I use shout right before my toughness is 0% so everyone gets my toughness back.....

[tall torrent]

This still has nothing to do with toughness regen

[steep nexus]

Honestly, if you want to do a toughness regen for your team build, there's literally a zealot ability that just does that

So I guess that's why this is so mid

[orchid hemlock]

I'm a Zealot main, do you think I care about my team? 🗿

[tall torrent]

No

It’s because a lot of the times u don’t have very crazy toughness gain

There’re 2 builds for vet that do have very crazy toughness gain and they make very high impact

[full nacelle]

Chorus is good but that's not why your setup is bad. Born leader just needs a very specific setup for it to be impactful.

^

what he said

[orchid hemlock]

Why would I go book if I can just kill the enemy in 2 seconds?

[wanton dawn]

This feels like grenadier discussion... there are some good node you can put into litterally any build, and there is going out of your way to try to squeeze more than you should out of a support skill

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately both of those 2 builds require specific weapons to be used

[steep nexus]

You hate to see it

(Guy who is running a build that very specifically only works with recon and power sword)

[tall torrent]

Yea you’re not getting that with a recon lasgun for sure

Power sword/rashad with O4B

Plasma with gloryhunter

[wanton dawn]

You wanna know how to get the most regen out of target down ? Optimize your mark ttk

[full nacelle]

oops messed up one talent

[steep nexus]

Interesting

[tall torrent]

If u kill everything in 1 shot and tag everything u kill (let’s say u kill 3 per second)

In 3 seconds you’d have gained 90% of ur max toughness

[full nacelle]

Yeah it's a VERY tanky build and constantly gives your team large amounts of toughness

gotta get comfortable in melee combat though

[tall torrent]

You need superiority complex for plasma

[steep nexus]

Any veteran player who isn't comfortable in melee needs to go back to basic training

Shooting poxwalkers is what we call a waste of good ammo

[full nacelle]

I prefer to stay in melee and use O4B as much as possible. I only take plasma out for if I need to kill a gunner or thin a crusher or two

[tall torrent]

Drop charismatic

It’s your teammates’ fault for not being in coherency with u to reap benefits from born leader

Not ur fault for not babysitting them

[steep nexus]

So true

[full nacelle]

Considering I'm the one usually running in first to grab aggro, I like it

doesn't really get me anything from dropping it

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t go reciprocity on Rashad either, without weapon specialist

[wanton dawn]

This is thoughness regen build. This is basically babysitting roleplay

[orchid hemlock]

OK guys how about this:

Fuck everything and just go 3 Stam curios with the MK 6 knife?

[full nacelle]

why not? I'm constantly near full stacks while I'm fighting

[wanton dawn]

If you are ok with getting 2 shot by buster go nuts

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty awkward to play around without boosted dodges

[full nacelle]

Oh I haven't noticed an issue tbh. I'm pretty sure I'm usually near full stacks and critting a lot.

I'll have to look over some gameplay next time and see how much value I'm getting out of it

[tall torrent]

I also think if u play O4B you don’t rly need confirmed kill either

[wanton dawn]

Just use power_di

It give average crit during game

[tall torrent]

I use confirmed kill because I play CB6

[full nacelle]

you don't need it but does have huge value

keeps me alive when I'm fighting hordes of ragers in melee like an idiot

and come out unscathed

[steep nexus]

Power sword my beloved

[full nacelle]

What that?

[tall torrent]

Getting hit by any kind of attritional dmg bleedthrough basically sends u over to getting 1 tapped by sniper & burster

[wanton dawn]

A mod

[full nacelle]

Ohhh ok. I'll check it out, thanks!

[wanton dawn]

Also have fun feature, like saving teammate build

[full nacelle]

Yeah I've been told by people in here before that Reciprocity isn't helping me much on another build I run.

I recorded footage and saw I was near 4/5 stacks the entire run 😐

using my Graia Braced

[tall torrent]

Do u have hit & run on ur Graia

[full nacelle]

it's a really good node even if you're not using the blades

nope

don't really need it tbh... Braced fire suppresses everything the instant I start shooting

Reapers cower in fire at the sight of my rapid pea shooter

[untold quiver]

is there a way to cancel your helbore shot when you no longer need it? or do i just let it go

[faint beacon]

I hope this image explains in words what you have to do

[midnight totem]

There are two kinds of players

[tall torrent]

Swap weapon

[untold quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-crying-one-piece-the-one-piece-is-real-crying-meme-gif-4518068471625710025

[faint beacon]

Difference is im a stubborn bastard and I’ll hold onto the charge shot till something walks in front of me

[midnight totem]

One sees a horde of ragers and decides it's a good time for thr bullet hose

[untold quiver]

swap weapon makes me cry inside

[midnight totem]

The other sees a horde of ragers and thinks

[steep nexus]

Funny electricity noise makes my brain tingle

[shadow aurora]

Now put gojos face in the top right speech bubble

[untold quiver]

who wants to run funny auric

[faint beacon]

I see a Horde of Ragers and firmly hold onto my Rashad before running into the group

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-fight-geralt-of-rivia-henry-cavill-the-witcher-battle-gif-23453277

[full nacelle]

I usually go REEEE at them, kill one, and then have so much stupid amounts of toughness regen that I can lawnmower my way through

[steep nexus]

The spacebar button in question:

[faint beacon]

Look ever since they made dodging work against ragers a bit more forgiving I’ll actively engage in melee with Ragers

[full nacelle]

is it stupid? yes. does it work? most of the time.

[shadow aurora]

Ever since rager fix its pretty easy to kill a few in melee

[tall torrent]

There’re mostly 2 kinds of reactions to ragers from veterans
The first type tries to mow down as many of them with their gun before engaging in melee
The second type throws 2 frags into them and watches them all bleed out before they can land a single hit

[full nacelle]

yeah I love that change

[shadow aurora]

We need a duelist enemy like rinda but weaker

[steep nexus]

Electricity noise >:(

[tall torrent]

Increases ur coherency aura from 8m to 12m radius

[shadow aurora]

That can dodge and block

[full nacelle]

it affects how big your coherency radius is

[midnight totem]

Your aura is the coherency radius

[midnight totem]

Personally I usually charge at them with my own melee, barring any other notable enemies nearby

[tall torrent]

I guess the 3rd type of “bayonet charge 1v17 ragers” counts too

[midnight totem]

Then, there's the occasion I'm too tired for their shit

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shoot-gif-6250126

[faint beacon]

2nd if I have frags, but I’ll actively Run in with an axe once the numbers dwindle

Enough about the kinds of reactions with ragers, what about kinds of reactions to Carapace hordes, Crushers/Mauler groups

[midnight totem]

Run at them, melee in hand

If it's a big enough group, I throw a krak and run right into them

It bunches them up

So one krak often kills three or more

[untold quiver]

i struggle to keep up with team when using helbore mk3 in auric

like dps im top but i always find myself having to play catchup with allies after fights

[midnight totem]

Gotta keep moving in auric damn

Enemies, specialists, they never stop coming

[midnight totem]

found my second full maxed out relic for my veteran

[hidden torrent]

Just press W

[slow spade]

I swear the director waits till the team is in an elevator before dropping the crusher and mauler patrols

door next to an elevator with no retreat path? Drop the 10 bulwarks and crushers

[tawny badger]

I wish I knew how to chainsword against crusher/mauler packs

I be cutting into one and then I got 13 overheads coming at me

[sleek garden]

are you on the first elevator of the hourglass map in the docks

that immediately comes to mind

[sleek garden]

sling heavies is all you can do really

[tawny badger]

they-
tbh I can’t tell if unrevved chainsword heavies really do anything against carapace

[tall torrent]

Chainswords on veteran aren’t very effective vs carapace enemies unfortunately

It’s a weapon category that’s pretty much entirely carried by zealot’s FotF ability

[pseudo fiber]

It is really fun though

[tawny badger]

fotwhatnow

[sinful swallow]

Fury of the faithful

[tawny badger]

What does that do again-

[sinful swallow]

Charge + crit + armor class reduction

[tawny badger]

huh
maybe I just suck as zealot

[tame lodge]

Gotta get your melee flow going

[sturdy zephyr]

Huh mauler pack aint no joke. One false dodge you emd up drop attack from others mauler.

[sinful swallow]

It's the random stuttering for me

[tawny badger]

I be tryin bro 😭

the blue hit marker throws me off so bad

because then it’s like "oops I better look for the weak point"

but where crusher weak point

[sturdy zephyr]

The head. Its carapace of course.

[sinful swallow]

Is your character short by chance

[umbral scaffold]

nobody here forgot their Infantryman's Uplifting Primer...right?

[sturdy zephyr]

That only my power sword can dealt more dmg.

[somber axle]

I have mine

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-detector-bitcoin-rd_btc-my-clown-detector-is-off-the-charts-strike_memes-gif-22298893

[somber axle]

[sinful swallow]

[serene bough]

what do

give me zealot advice vet chat

[agile forge]

Rejoice

[elder fiber]

swap rampage for headtaker, unyielding for flak

[agile forge]

You got the Emperor's Lawnmower

[serene bough]

got this

which better

[elder fiber]

1st

[agile forge]

I would keep the second one as a headtaker/rampage alternative though

[elder fiber]

hs sucks vs carapace in a way that perks don't really fix

[serene bough]

i want to yoink Headtaker t4

[agile forge]

So you can flex perks on it in case deathblow gets berfed

...berfed

[serene bough]

then replace for ampage

[agile forge]

........

[serene bough]

?

[elder fiber]

its strictly worse

[agile forge]

Nerfed

Fucking fat th7mbs lmao

...

I should sleep

[elder fiber]

berf

[serene bough]

ok

fixingf

[elder fiber]

oh I misread yeah flush the 2nd for t4 headtaker

[agile forge]

Rampage isn't strictly worse

It's just mostly worse

(Compared with deathblow)

(Headtaker best blessing by a long shot)

[serene bough]

thnx @elder fiber

[agile forge]

Yeah, that's a fucking beauty

Nurgle better watch out

[serene bough]

ok

now i need opinions on build

one sec

is this gud

is with bolter

[astral ingot]

get the +15% toughness on dodge node

[serene bough]

replace w/ another node or just shift point w/ enduring faith?

[astral ingot]

probably just drop righteous warrior at the bottom

[serene bough]

ok ill try

thnx

[lost cosmos]

I’m new to veteran but I max leveled psyker, is there any special gun I should grind on? It feels like the veteran is better for guns and not melee

[lilac kayak]

Plasma gun is the meta with its brain ded plays

[sinful swallow]

It's got crazy melee too though

[lost cosmos]

im lvl 6

[sinful swallow]

Power sword mark3 for your diet illisi, mk6 is insane

[lost cosmos]

diet illisi?

do you mean melee?

[sinful swallow]

Yeaj

Don't discount vet melee, it's still a huge part of gameplay

[amber ether]

shovels are fun too

[sinful swallow]

The class specific shovels have ton of stamina

[tame lodge]

You have access to the helbores 1 and 2, they aren't the best at your current level but you should try

[lilac kayak]

Just focus on leveling your character to 30 before u start worrying about meta builds

[sinful swallow]

Really good for controlling hordes and let you push a lot

[tame lodge]

You also have access to the columnus mk V infantry autogun at level 6

[tall torrent]

I suggest taking holy revenant
I don’t think u need disdain & enemies within tbh

[serene bough]

ok

thanks cat of vet chat

[tribal tangle]

Whats best for the standard issue shovel?

[wild vortex]

melee Vet is kinda insane

[somber axle]

Best Veteran guns right now are Zarona Revolver, Plasma and Columnus Infantry Autogun

All of those will let you crush anything and everything you see

[lost cosmos]

i got columnus infantry mk v just now

[somber axle]

Nice

[lost cosmos]

and im using mk1 devils claw

[somber axle]

Even a grey Columnus Infantry Autogun is going to shred things

People have run Auric Damnation with only grey weapons and cleared it, and Columnus Infantry Autogun is one gun I've seen used for a grey only Auric run

Very strong gun

[tall torrent]

Veteran usually wants a melee weapon that can deal with carapace enemies well & be able to horde clear with good efficiency

[lost cosmos]

i mean it is weaker for me since im lvl 6

[hollow ibex]

Frags are my preferred melee weapon for horde clear

[lost cosmos]

but my zealot friend is using it and its OP for him

[tribal tangle]

How is hammerblow uncanny on the standard issue shovel?

[lost cosmos]

even at the green lvl

[somber axle]

That's true but idk if level 6 Vet even has access to any melee weapon capable of doing horde clear and Carapace killing

[tall torrent]

He does, Rashad

[somber axle]

A lot of the best Carapace killing weapons need specific blessings and talents too

[hollow ibex]

Before level 30 run whatever the fuck you want

It's the time to experiment

And try different things

[tall torrent]

But honestly just experiment

[somber axle]

Does a low level Rashad Axe still have solid Crusher kill potential?

[tall torrent]

DC1 works for horde

[somber axle]

I haven't touched low level Vet in forever

[hollow ibex]

It's awful

[tall torrent]

You just need BM for it to work and in <damnation difficulty the breakpoint min-max isn’t nearly as strict

[somber axle]

I should make a new Vet

A young clown will rise through the ranks

[hollow ibex]

Shitty exec stance

No fucking stamina

[sinful swallow]

Volly fire

Please GOD give exec auto reload again

[somber axle]

Rashad Combat Axe II is a very good weapon though

[sinful swallow]

Why is ogryn stance better

[somber axle]

Love how it feels

[full nacelle]

low level anything feels pretty bad... low level vet feels real bad

[somber axle]

Still need to attempt to get a good roll for my main Vet

[sinful swallow]

Leveling psyker was max misery to me

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn gives no shits

[sinful swallow]

Ogryn just worked right out of the box

[hollow ibex]

Exactly

[tall torrent]

Ogryn just needs lv4 to start being good

[hollow ibex]

Just a slab of hp

[tall torrent]

Vet needs like lv19+

[runic hound]

I need swim suit costumes for my veteran

[full nacelle]

Psyker felt fun once you reached Assail in low levels... For me anyway

[runic hound]

You think they’ll make some swimsuit cosmetics with some jiggle aesthetics

[tall torrent]

Assail is still so incredibly busted in low difficulty lol

[full nacelle]

I'd love to charge in with my rashad on my melee vet in full battle helmet and speedo

[runic hound]

Hell yea

[full nacelle]

it's hot boy summer on the Mourningstar

[runic hound]

You need the shovel to complete the cosplay

[sinful swallow]

The furthest id allow

Repentia zealot

Muh 40k

[full nacelle]

kind of surprised there aren't any cosmetic mods

outside of the gun customizer

[sinful swallow]

For the Drip

For the drip is discord only but you can literally layer and stack any armor and helm

And recolor/change material

[tall torrent]

There is For The Drip which is client-side cosmetic mix

[full nacelle]

Oh?

[sinful swallow]

https://github.com/Adspartan/For_the_Drip/releases

It's a bit cumbersome to use, make sure you grab perspectives or look around mod too so you can really see around yourself as you edit

But it's far more in depth customization than you're gonna be ready for lmao

[full nacelle]

Thanks! I'll check it out later

[dire olive]

Yeah the UI is kind of horrible

[full nacelle]

happy world otter day by the way folks

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-excited-otter-excited-otter-gif-14795433060388223315

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-relax-gif-5375651295009067403

[sinful swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-shocked-shocked-face-surprised-face-wtf-gif-4145231410165004034

[languid spade]

I trust that everyone in this channel is wearing pants?

[full nacelle]

absolutely not

[frank ocean]

Noooo Melk why are you selling Power Cycler 1 again

[unique orchid]

im gonna keep it a buck, ive been playing tarkov again as of recent (im sorry) and honestly i think it would be tight as hell if i could swap stuff in/on my guns like that game, even to a minor degree like just changing sights or focusing lenses/receivers

[bitter turtle]

weapon customization mod

[somber axle]

Ogryns in speedos was a mental image I was not at all prepared for

[full nacelle]

"Sah! Check out my new budgy smugglah, sah!"

[somber axle]

I would blind myself

[wild vortex]

I installed weapon customization mod precisely to get scopes on guns that don't have them but should

[unique orchid]

yes yes i know i know

i've it as well

[somber axle]

Rogue Trader has shown me blind madmen and blind madwomen who seemed to claw out their own eyes seemingly in the name of Tzeentch and I would gladly join them

Some things simply were not meant for mortal eyes

[full nacelle]

as if sniping specials through Ogryns wasn't bad enough

[somber axle]

I will continue to believe every Ogryn is the equivalent of a Ken doll and please do not prove me otherwise

[stuck gorge]

A ken doll would be a insult to them, they are MUCH stronger!

[somber axle]

Ok a Hulk action figure

[stuck gorge]

Thats more like it

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

look at Ogryn go

[somber axle]

Running to find a new uniform before the boss notices he lost his other one

[stuck gorge]

(insert lost power armor speech here)

[somber axle]

....why don't they put Ogryns in power armour

Aren't they on par with Space Marines in power armour at least in terms of physical strength?

[stuck gorge]

pretty sure they're actually stronger

[somber axle]

If you could make that smarter somehow and then give them power armour on top of it they seem like they'd squash space marines like bugs

[midnight totem]

They exceed Space Marines in power armor generally

in raw strength

But Space Marines are much faster

[somber axle]

Feels like a Hulk vs Thanos situation where Ogryns are stronger but Space Marines have better intelligence, tactics, experience and skill in combat to outweigh the difference in strength generally

[midnight totem]

thats a good comparison

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-hulk-slam-marvel-avengers-gif-13804368

[midnight totem]

Thanos beat down Hulk

Thanos pretty much wiped the floor with the Marvel Big Three solo

without any of the Infinity Stones

[somber axle]

Yeah though to be fair the Marvel Cinematic Universe version of Hulk is baby mode

The comic version is much stronger

[midnight totem]

World War Hulk would probably rip Thanos apart

[somber axle]

World Breaker Hulk would rip Movie Thanos in half and then beat him to death using his own legs

[somber axle]

Thor did pretty much hand Thanos his own ass in that "you should have gone for the head" moment

But yeah out of shape fat Thor got rocked

[midnight totem]

It was more of a surprise attack, I reckon

a guy I watched compared it to the difference between Monk Thanos (with infinity stones, relying less on his pure martial power and more going through the motions, testing his enemies)

[unique orchid]

and smarter, in a naked bare-knuckle brawl it is an even or ogryn-sided fight but with weapons the astartes just wipes big bro

[somber axle]

Thanos really just needed to

[midnight totem]

and Berserker Thanos (Infinity Stones? who the fuck needs those?)

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

[rocky jacinth]

A big ork vs. ogryn in a fist fight, who wins?

[unique orchid]

a krork, a warboss, ghazkhull, or an ork?

[rocky jacinth]

You know, like a big green one

[somber axle]

Depends on the Ork but I'd probably put my money on the Ogryn in general. If it's a warboss then the Ork takes it easily

[full nacelle]

does ogryn have rock cheering him on from the stands?

[midnight totem]

I'd say an ogryn would beat the shit out of most Boyz

[unique orchid]

a warboss is just a really big ork tbh

[midnight totem]

a Nob would be equally matched against an Ogryn

[unique orchid]

oh aye yeah a nob that is indeed a big ork

[midnight totem]

A Warboss would be the match of a named Ogryn

[rocky jacinth]

You see one in the intro to Dawn of War tearing a space marine in half

[unique orchid]

Nork Deadogg versus Tuska Daemonkilla when

[midnight totem]

Also, may I present

[unique orchid]

i think that's either a Big Mek or a Warboss

[midnight totem]

The Ogryn Charonite

[unique orchid]

okay this is pretty wicked sick

[midnight totem]

In 30k, somebody took an Ogryn

and gave them the KIlling Floor Fleshpounder treatment

[somber axle]

Wait isn't there a thing about some big Ork warboss channeling one of the biggest WAAAGHs going after a Chaos guy because the Chaos guy is responsible for killing his battle rival

[midnight totem]

thats mostly fanfic, but yeah

[somber axle]

It isn't canon? Aw

I vaguely heard about it through a friend and thought it was really cool

[midnight totem]

I mean, Ghaz might? We dunno

Anyway, an Ogryn Charonite

is somebody taking an ogryn, giving them an armored void suit

removing their hands, giving them hydraulic and powered drills and claws

and a full suite of chemical stimulants

[rocky jacinth]

Does GW actually have an official canon

practically all of the official material contradicts each other

[somber axle]

I've never touched a Warhammer book

[midnight totem]

thats on purpose

[somber axle]

No idea what's going on in Warhammer 40k lore other than stuff I've heard secondhand or read on wikis

[midnight totem]

but yes, reading between the lines there is official canon

[somber axle]

Isn't this a common writing trope though? You're reading a flawed perspective. The point of view is often from the Empire's side, complete with all their inherent biases that mean information is inaccurate but what they believe to be accurate

[rocky jacinth]

Yeah I get it, and I think it's cool, but I'm just wondering if GW actually has a 40k bible or if they just make shit up

[somber axle]

I remember reading a thing about how during the War of the Beast people thought Orks to be incapable of proper speech and when Ork "diplomats" arrived to negotiate surrender in proper Gothic it left the entire gathering of Terra politicians speechless

Then the Orks said it was a waste of time trying to attempt negotiations with humans because they don't listen, they only understand war

Very wild moment LMFAO

To clarify though they were demanding the unconditional surrender of Terra, not their own terms of surrendering

[rocky jacinth]

I wish more 40k media had more humor, the whole franchise has a lot of comedy and edge to it but a lot of stuff ends up being so serious and grimdark

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think there's a 40k bible you read old lore and it's just so wild. Not even contradictory accounts it's just stuff that hasn't happened anymore lmfao

[somber axle]

The only fans enjoying proper comedy are Eldar Harlequin fans and Ork fans as far as I'm aware

Every other faction is miserable and struggling in their own ways

Isn't there a story about Harlequins getting inside the Imperial Palace on Terra and even making it as far as the throne room somehow?

[rocky jacinth]

I mean the whole setting from its inception has had a lot of parody and absurdism thrown in

[somber axle]

I found the story and LMFAO

[rocky jacinth]

Much thanks to the creators referencing and poking fun at British life and their own culture

[somber axle]

Harlequins casually cutting down Custodes while screaming "FRIENDSHIP! FRIENDSHIP!"

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/n2zv2x/excerpt_throneworld_the_imperial_palace_is/

I'm cackling

Today is a good day to be a clown

[full nacelle]

everyday's a good day when you're clowning

[somber axle]

Very true

The Emperor's finest are nothing compared to a clown who knows how to dance

[rocky jacinth]

Eldar diplomacy

[somber axle]

"Let's show up and tell the Emperor we need him to do more to protect humanity or we all die. Let's just teleport right into the Palace."

Dumbest fucking idea

This whole story excerpt is a comedy start to finish

Custodes have the home turf advantage and can't stop 2 clowns

[woeful galleon]

The most beautiful fact in the universe

[midnight totem]

Its the inverse ninja law in action

you see

It is not that the Custodes are on their home turf

Its because they outnumber the enemy

Therefore, they lose badly

[bitter turtle]

Custodeez nuts

[plush hound]

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[bitter turtle]

Gottem

[bitter turtle]

Chainsword is a good no-talent-investment melee but you may want to take kraks at that point since neither weapon is good into carapace

[midnight totem]

On the contrary, a lot of people take the power sword because it's very easy to use despite its mobility and defence issues

[somber axle]

That's true but like if they can teleport their people anywhere they want, they could also teleport bombs into the Palace until nothing but the Emperor and the throne he sits on is rubble and ash

Kinda wild how fragile humanity is compared to the other factions

[bitter turtle]

Power sword would let you use shredders but you are right that they are relatively immobile as a melee

[somber vault]

is this good enough stopping power? idk how relevant that stat is

[bitter turtle]

Stopping power is important

[tall torrent]

Power sword u mean? Veterans don’t get force swords

[bitter turtle]

So if you care about minmax then make another

Dmg and stopping power are the main stats for ciag

[somber axle]

Kantrael XII is very good for dealing with all specials and most elites. It only really struggles against flak (easily corrected with +25% Flak perk) and Carapace. Bring Kraks or a melee weapon that can kill Crushers. Power Sword is a very good weapon for that and also lets you cut down hordes of poxwalkers easily too

[plush hound]

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[midnight totem]

It will mulch hordes up close, and deal with elites well, but if its a dedicated complement of melee heavy hitters, you'll still want to be backing away instead of trying to dance in melee

[somber vault]

mmk

[tall torrent]

It’s not easily corrected with +25% flak, it’s still really bad vs flak enemies

[plush hound]

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[midnight totem]

They went through the webway, which is a whole thing of Eldar travel and the Emperor was trying to use it himself before he was interred. Its wild

[tall torrent]

Also I just wouldn’t recommend MG12 that much rn

[somber axle]

The only flak enemies are Flak Ragers, Flak Shotgunners and Maulers yeah? With Deadly Accurate and Exe Stance you can trash Flak Ragers and Flak Shotgunners at a distance. Maulers are a little beefy for shooting their chests but with Exe Stance and +25% Flak they go down fine too

[bitter turtle]

I recommend vraks7 headhunter if you want to play a sniper gun tbh

[tall torrent]

I’ve tried just about everything to make MG12 work and I still would very much rather have MG1a or MG4 (I actually prefer MG4 over MG1a) over it in just about all situations

[bitter turtle]

Deadly accurate isn't very reliable on the ilases

[somber axle]

I could test it in the Psykanium when I get home to feel out TTK

[midnight totem]

Dred bruisers have flak armored heads

[bitter turtle]

Since they have headhunter instead of surgical

[somber axle]

But I have run with the Mk XII and never felt it struggling against anything but Carapace

Mg1a and Mk IV are absolutely much stronger

Objectively

But the XII is fine

[bitter turtle]

Tbh I usually run ghost over DA on ilases now

[plush hound]

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[tall torrent]

With deadly accurate you greatly overkill most enemies with Crit weakspot on a weapon that doesn’t get to enforce headshots (since it doesn’t have surgical)

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[midnight totem]

Anyway, you should see this super weapon the necrons have

[tall torrent]

And I think ghost is just 9/10 times better than DA for infantry Lasguns

[plush hound]

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[bitter turtle]

V7 can trash flak enemies and spamming it into a crusher can even kill carapace mostly

[somber axle]

Sure but it also means even flak enemies are non-threats when you crit headshot them

[tall torrent]

But it’s not crit headshots you need

It’s non-crit headshots you care about

[somber axle]

With Deadshot and Headhunter forcing crits has never been an issue for me

[tall torrent]

MG12 is a 1 tap gun

[midnight totem]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Celestial_Orrery

[bitter turtle]

You can't really crit hesdshot on command with headhunter blessing

[somber axle]

I am a dodge fiend so I don't touch ghost because it feels like it just teaches you to stand still and ignore being shot at

[bitter turtle]

By it's nature it prefers spam

[somber axle]

Not a habit I like to reinforce tbh

[tall torrent]

That’s kind of the point

[somber axle]

Very good blessing but not fun gameplay for me

[bitter turtle]

On a gun that is supposed to 1 tap

[tall torrent]

You save point by taking ghost over DA

[somber axle]

Deadly Accurate also makes it do much funnier damage to monstrosities

[midnight totem]

This, is a necron holographic map of every star in the Milky Way

[tall torrent]

You don’t need ET to tank stalkers and shotgunners when you have ghost to dodge for u

[tall torrent]

Very unreliable in practice

Besides BoN

[midnight totem]

And if you snuff out a star on the map, the real one will go supernova

[bitter turtle]

DA is just unreliable on the ilas in general

[tall torrent]

And that’s if ur team cooperates with u which basically never happens in QP

[somber axle]

I'd agree against Chaos Spawn but like Plogryns? No LOL they're so easy to shoot

[bitter turtle]

Half the time u don't crit on the 1st shot and then waste your crit overkilling on 2nd

[bitter turtle]

Shooting a plogyrn is a waste of bullets in the first place tbh

[somber axle]

I've never had issue hitting heads on Plogryns or hitting Burgle backs

[bitter turtle]

You can melee it to death hitless against a wall

[somber axle]

Chaos Spawns are very wild in movement and their faces are so small so they're tricky for sure

[bitter turtle]

Moveset is literally a joke

[somber axle]

The others are not hard to hit at all

[tall torrent]

On plague ogryn? If you’re its target you simply do better dmg with melee
If you aren’t, the plague ogryn shakes its head enough to make u miss, plus you don’t actually have Crit every shot

If you hit a crit bodyshot, DA does nothing for u

[somber axle]

Plogryn is pretty slow numbers cat

I don't consider hitting the head hard

[midnight totem]

Chaos Spawns are so ugly I just aim at their mouths

[last parcel]

need me some plogryn head

[somber axle]

Plogryns are just way too predictable

Chaos Spawn is the shaky one

[tall torrent]

If you’re not its target and its target does a poor job at keeping it in one place, its plain unreliable

DA is really not as high value as you think

The only enemy where DA genuinely does something very consistently is probably reaper

[bitter turtle]

Da would be better if ilases had surgical

[tall torrent]

DA cuts your shots to kill on MG12 vs reaper by 1

[bitter turtle]

But only the autogun line gets it for some reason

[tall torrent]

Against every other enemy it’s basically not doing much

[muted knot]

Frfr

[tall torrent]

I actually don’t even run headhunter for MG12 now

It’s just worthless without 1 taps

[somber axle]

Yeah idk your argument is that hitting the shots isn't consistent so you can't get enough value out of it on bosses

[bitter turtle]

Opening Salvo/ghost?

[somber axle]

But that's just not my experience

[rigid pilot]

Oneshot rager, not required?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[somber axle]

Hitting Plogryn heads really isn't that hard for me

Idk about others

[tall torrent]

Scab rager?

[rigid pilot]

Either

[somber axle]

Being a Recon main has sorta forced me to get really good at keeping the crosshairs tracking heads for optimal Headhunter uptime so maybe it's just my practice through that?

[bitter turtle]

Well, my argument is taking a blessing to shoot the easiest boss is not a great value proposition

[somber axle]

But like it feels pretty trivial shooting Plogryn heads

Melee is definitely better if you are the target though

[tall torrent]

My argument is that it simply doesn’t shoot fast enough to stack headhunter well for crits and when you do land crits if the enemy moves just a little bit and you hit chest instead of head, DA does nothing for u

[bitter turtle]

I have hh/da ilases but the value I get out of it is just rly dubious, when you can't crit on demand like you can with surgical/da guns

[tall torrent]

In my experience, trying to use MG12 vs rager wave is basically pain & suffering

[bitter turtle]

If a rager runs at me with a v7

I can hold 1 sec for surgical and guarantee 1 tap in the head

If I'm using an ilas

I shoot head and maybe it crits him?

And then if it doesn't

[midnight totem]

Shoot him again!

[bitter turtle]

I shoot again and crit and da is wasted

[midnight totem]

Five rounds rapid soldier

[somber axle]

Ok that's a fair critique for the Kantrael XII. The fire rate doesn't lend itself well for Headhunter stacking but that isn't a big deal imo. Less DPS than the Mg1a but still solid especially with Deadshot paired to inflate crits further

[bitter turtle]

Like I'm just not convinced it's doing anything most of th time

[somber axle]

If you're not running Deadshot then it probably has much, much less value

[rigid pilot]

But it's unavoidable

[tall torrent]

Another thing is that
If you had to run deadshot to make its DPS acceptable it probably wasn’t worth running deadshot for in the first place

[rigid pilot]

But I think I managed to hit oneshot vs ragers, but idk if it's because of a combination of MF and DA

[bitter turtle]

Even with deadshot

You're looking at a literal coinflip

[tall torrent]

In my experience (urs can vary)
MG4 has by far the most reliable practical TTK vs almost all targets

[bitter turtle]

To see if DA even does anything or just gets wasted on an overkill shot

[tall torrent]

The only regular enemy it really loses to MG1a is mauler and that’s an enemy I never plan to shoot with iLas in the first place

[rigid pilot]

Ghost is really good though

With suppression immunity you become the true anti shooter

[tall torrent]

MG4 can achieve <1s TTK on Dreg rager if you just aim general chest/head level and spray

[bitter turtle]

now you know why i play it the way I do

[tall torrent]

With MG12 the moment you land a bodyshot ur ttk is completely screwed

[rigid pilot]

Stand in the open and take on 10 reapers

[tall torrent]

I take determined over shock troop

[bitter turtle]

hold left click with full auto mod

"definitely not a recon"

[tall torrent]

I am actually considering no respite + ghost for MG4

If no respite actually does anything for MG4

[bitter turtle]

i might try that

[midnight totem]

I take Opening Salvo on my XII

[rigid pilot]

No respite work against reapers?

[bitter turtle]

i have DA HH on it and that's exactly why i began to find DA worthless

[tall torrent]

Not sure

[bitter turtle]

gotta make a new one though

since DA is locked on it

[somber axle]

Super juicing weapons into viability and competitive status is my whole thing numbers cat

I care not for weapons that could be run with an empty talent tree and still carry

Deadshot, Shock Trooper is fun with Lasguns

[tall torrent]

if u rly wanna check how good DA practically is for MG12
Use a mod to track ur ranged crit weakspot hit rate and ranged crit weakspot overkill dmg (compared to overall ranged weakspot dmg)
See what those numbers look like compared to the rest of ur stats

[somber axle]

I can re-download Scoreboard I guess

Would be funny to check how Deadly Accurate pumps my numbers

[tall torrent]

Might need smth like power_di to check those super specific numbers

[somber axle]

What's that?

[last parcel]

it's like scoreboard for excel addicts

[somber axle]

I've seen enough Excel for this lifetime and the next between school and work but I will suffer for the clown science I guess

Give me some time to get home and download all this stuff

[last parcel]

a clown's nose is earned through blood

[somber axle]

Literally just finished work

[last parcel]

honk honk

[tall torrent]

MG12 is by far the least reliable out of its family

[last parcel]

damn mg12 just like me fr

[somber axle]

I've felt that the Mk IV is the least reliable unless you have a mod to set a cursor or something to know where the shots are landing while spamming

[tall torrent]

I’ve completely ran out of my reserve MG4s and the one I have rn has DA locked

[somber axle]

Clicky clicky fast is less conducive to maintaining crosshairs on head but you can definitely feel out the rough spot where shots are going down range with enough practice even without mods

[tall torrent]

It’s really not necessary

[somber axle]

Or just run an autoclicker and turn the Mk IV into cookie clicker with heretic heads

I don't like mods that make the game easier though

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233790660142829670/1244318446422855852/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.05.26_-_11.54.08.07.mov?ex=6658a1db&is=6657505b&hm=1f3ea58dd6cbca13844f45d4c32cfcadb4ecbf151a753f74f7ea4f1ed7fe2005&

[somber axle]

Accessibility is important for those who need it or want it but a clown hungers for funny and an autoclicker isn't funny for me

[tall torrent]

The only enemy MG4 staggers (which makes successive headshots less reliable) is Dreg gunner

[bitter turtle]

i dont consider mashing a single button over and over a source of difficulty personally

that being said i was too lazy to downlaod that mod until i started playing wep special laspistol

[tall torrent]

DT also doesn’t rly require very high semi auto firerates to begin with

300rpm (MG4) is well within tolerable

[somber axle]

Yeah in the Psykanium it's easy to click heads. Level ground. Still enemies. No Ogryns wandering into your sight lines. No paranoia of poxwalkers sneaking up behind while aiming down sights. But when the chaos of battle finds a Mk IV the jumpy kick of the gun while firing can make consistent shots tricky. The Kantrael XII is slower and benefits a newer player better because the shots are more spaced out and they don't have to test their finger twitch ability to try to fire fast while aiming

It's definitely not as hard as my words imply

Just that it is more comfy to hit shots with a slower firing weapon

[tall torrent]

It’s actually the most consistent in my experience in the chaos because you never need to care about ADS sway on it and can just point in chest/head level at enemies and spray

[rigid pilot]

With how most players love killing elites first, the overwatch backline vet just spends ammo on killing stray walkers and bruisers

[tall torrent]

And the lack of stagger makes successive headshots possible

[somber axle]

Unless your motto is put enough shots down range and at least some of them will find the intended mark

[tall torrent]

Not really that

[bitter turtle]

btw

[tall torrent]

Most of the shots will hit

[bitter turtle]

this is why i think DA is worthless on 12

[tall torrent]

It’s not nearly as high recoil as u think

[bitter turtle]

ok worthless is a strong word but this shit happens way too much

it did nothing on both kills

[somber axle]

Tbh I like stagger for pinning a target in place but I'm also a fiend that loves suppression so I'm more used to knowing where they head will be when a target ducks or drops LOL

[bitter turtle]

might as well have been a purple weapon

[somber axle]

Suppression is lovely and I adore making Reapers cower

[tall torrent]

Getting 2 quick headshots in that instantly deletes a gunner is better than staggering on first shot, causing 2nd shot (that would have been a headshot) to miss and now requiring a 3rd shot

That happened way too much for me

[somber axle]

Sure but why 2 shot when I can 1 shot

There's no care for stagger if the first shot puts the gunner down

Doesn't the Mg1a also 1HKO Dreg Gunner heads?

[tall torrent]

With exe stance + MF yea

But also I’d say at >30m 1 shot headshots just start to become more RNG based in this game

[somber axle]

I pretty exclusively run my lasguns with Exe Stance so that might explain my experience with them vs yours

I don't touch Voice of Command and if I'm running Infiltrate it usually isn't with Lasguns

Though I do have a funny Infiltrate build for Helbore bayonet memes

[tall torrent]

And the other issue with 1a is that

1a can run out of ammo without survivalist, even with shock trooper

MG4 simply does not

[somber axle]

It can if you have Taugryn

[tall torrent]

No

[bitter turtle]

believe me

[tall torrent]

I’ve ran MG1a for quite a while

[bitter turtle]

i have gone through entire maps

unironically holding down left click on mg4

you dont run out

[somber axle]

But like I've run the Mg1a through Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet and she was fine

[tall torrent]

Without survivalist you can definitely run out on 1a

[somber axle]

That may be why then

I hug the left side of the tree with my lasgun

Survivalist Aura, Shock Trooper

[tall torrent]

I don’t play surv with anything that’s not plasma

[somber axle]

My ammo is never a concern unless an ammo goblin is making it a concern

I mean like

If you have trouble with ammo on the Mg1a without surv aura

[bitter turtle]

ive mentioned this before but taking surv on guns that dont need it is a crutch at this point

[somber axle]

Isn't the answer to just use it with Surv Aura

[tall torrent]

The fact that MG4 genuinely forgets about ammo economy as a concept is very strong

MG4 also has fast ads move speed & sprint to fire

[bitter turtle]

hurts your build by forcing you to take shitty talents

[tall torrent]

You can play a lot more aggressive with MG4 than with 1a

[bitter turtle]

like catch a breath

[somber axle]

Yeah all true things and it is a very fun and comfy gun once someone gets the feel of it

[tall torrent]

MG4 also doesn’t care about bodyshots messing up ur ttk nearly as bad as the other 2 infantry lasguns

MG12 gets completely screwed on bodyshot

[somber axle]

Maybe it's just that I follow the Sharpshooter tree pretty strictly as a reason for why my Lasgun experience is so different to yours

[bitter turtle]

btw

trying out no respite

its pretty much worthless on mg4

[tall torrent]

Too bad

Guess HH + Ghost is da wae

[bitter turtle]

like you gotta sink at least 5or 6 shots to stagger even a gunner

nevermind

anything else

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna remove DA from infantry Lasguns’ page

[bitter turtle]

now hear me out

infernus/ghost

jk

[tall torrent]

Infernus without headhunter is cringe and heretical

[somber axle]

Doesn't it help with breakpoints and boss DPS? Removing it seems kinda odd

[bitter turtle]

but but

burn damage to help you kill flak faster

[tall torrent]

Which gun

[bitter turtle]

!!!

[somber axle]

The ones you just said you were removing it from

[tall torrent]

MG12?

[somber axle]

All of them really unless you meant just for the XII

[tall torrent]

Would u rather start with 1 tap capability in every fight or randomly get 3 shot on reaper headshot

[somber axle]

1 taps

[tall torrent]

Exactly

[somber axle]

So like where is your 1 tap without DA coming from with Ghost

[tall torrent]

I simply don’t take headhunter on MG12

Opening salvo + ghost

[somber axle]

Ooo ok Opening Salvo isn't one I've toyed with on the XII

[tall torrent]

Not taking ghost means I need ET to tank stalker & shotgunner spam

And that’s extra 2 point cost

[somber axle]

That does seem like a neat combo but I would 100% toss out Ghost for Headhunter or DA

Maybe DA

[tall torrent]

Using 1 blessing slot to save 2 talent points is a good trade in my book

[somber axle]

Opening Salvo + Deadly Accurate sounds really funny with Deadshot and Exe Stance

[bitter turtle]

DA is even worse without HH

especially when you're already running exec

what's the point

sometimes overkilling things randomly?

[tall torrent]

DA without HH is heresy

[bitter turtle]

its like i showed already in the vid

and you can try it in psyk yourself

[somber axle]

I am a Harlequin in the Emperor's Palace screaming friendship

[tall torrent]

“I just really need that random poxwalker to take 1300 overkill dmg”

[bitter turtle]

try shooting a bunch of rager/flamers

[somber axle]

I am a heretic just by existing

[bitter turtle]

with DA/HH ilas

half the time DA is just being wasted on an overkill shot

because you cant trigger crits on demand like a surgical gun can

[somber axle]

LMFAO that's a funny thought but I'm mainly thinking of how funny the 1HKO potential is for it

Bulwarks? Muties? And what about the first shot into a boss?

A clown yearns to know more

[tall torrent]

Trading all semblance of reliability for a potential reaper 1 tap is not worth it

[somber axle]

Didn't you say XII with Opening Salvo is already enough for 1HKO on Reapers if you're pairing it with Ghost?

I don't see why I'd lose that potential trading Ghost for DA

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo is to 1 tap gunners & flamers

The issue is, opening salvo has slow ADS recovery with infantry lasguns

[somber axle]

Ok so I will build to see funny crits 1 tap Bulwarks, Reapers and Muties too

I will always chase the funniest route

[tall torrent]

You have to actually slow down RoF to get it back

[bitter turtle]

you can un ADS for it to be slightly faster from my experience

[tall torrent]

And slowing down RoF on a gun that shoots that slow is abysmal

[bitter turtle]

just pretend you're playing bolter

[tall torrent]

Yes but too much effort for too little gain

[somber axle]

tbh it may be applying when swapping targets

if I'm 1 tapping heads I'm just moving to the next head

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo exists so you can start with 1 tap ability in a fight that once u get that 1 tap, you have enough MF stacks to continue 1 taps

[somber axle]

might be enough time to let the animation reset and let Opening Salvo be ready for the next hit

[tall torrent]

I also take marksman for MG12

Because marksman also pushes over the 1 tap breakpoint

[somber axle]

I will do this

[tall torrent]

As well as agile engagement

[somber axle]

Marksman, Surv Aura, Shock Trooper, Deadshot, Deadly Accurate, Opening Salvo, Mk XII, Executioner's Stance

[tall torrent]

Marksman gives u unrestricted 1 tap for 10s after using ability

[somber axle]

the combo just sounds so funny to me

[tall torrent]

But if you already take exe stance you don’t need any of that set-up

[unique orchid]

i like running the MG1a tbh

[tall torrent]

1a is good

[somber axle]

Agile Engagement feels like something tricky to reach as far as talent point expense-wise if you're hugging the left tree though

gotta burn some points reaching across the middle

[tall torrent]

The downside of running survivalist

[somber axle]

but then you can grab serrated blade too for the bleed to get Mercy Killer for Knife fun

[rigid pilot]

You wouldn't really want agile on a lasgun

[tall torrent]

With exe stance, no

[old quail]

yea u would if ur a chad who runs weapon specialist deadly accurate mg4

[tall torrent]

Without exe stance, it’s not as bad as u think

[somber axle]

Are you running Fire Team with Lasguns now? Or did you go move speed aura?

[rigid pilot]

But one little crit feels kinda

[somber axle]

I can see the value of Fire Team though

Less point tax for getting Demo Stockpile 1 min nade regen

[rigid pilot]

I guess the fire rate also matters

[somber axle]

since like everyone grabs that if they can

[bitter turtle]

fire rate

baby

pretend you're recon

[tall torrent]

what I used for MG12

[bitter turtle]

||ii actually run this||

[somber axle]

Move speed aura looks really funny but I see why you did since you're going for Agile Engagement

Get that and grenadier for kraks

Ease the burden of carapace

[bitter turtle]

movespeed aura is incredibly strong

[tall torrent]

krak without grenadier feels too restrictive in my experience

[bitter turtle]

idk if you saw what i posted before but you can casually walk away from hordes with it

[rigid pilot]

Or just bring peesword and embrace the shame 😔

[tall torrent]

I play rashad with this

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

I will never embrace Baltimore challenge pissing sword

[tall torrent]

I went back to rashad

[bitter turtle]

just a casual stroll away from hordes

[tall torrent]

I got myself a shiny new trio of curios

[rigid pilot]

Rashad with no attack speed

[tall torrent]

full godroll

[tall torrent]

I’ve not ran survivalist with anything that’s not a plasma since penance update dropped

[somber axle]

That's fair

It's no longer mandatory and that's a breath of fresh air

I would join you but for lasgun builds and my boltgun I will hug surv aura still

I do love going move speed and fire team on other guns though

[tall torrent]

I cope by taking triple +15% sprint efficiency

[rigid pilot]

Was the survivalist nerf actually good

[somber axle]

yes

objectively yes

it has forced a lot of Vets out of their Surv Aura mandatory shells

[tall torrent]

It still kills just about everything that’s not crusher/mauler/mutant/rager faster than knife

[somber axle]

has rewritten the meta for ammo economy across the board

[tall torrent]

No

[somber axle]

no longer do people consider surv aura mandatory for higher difficulties

[bitter turtle]

it hasn't rewritten the meta

[somber axle]

no longer do people see surv aura as required for no ammo maelstrom

people are forced to adapt

[bitter turtle]

the same exact guns are still good

[somber axle]

and nature is beautiful

[bitter turtle]

and the same shitty guns are even shittier

[tall torrent]

Surv should be a vet baseline trait that only benefits veteran himself
And the aura slot should have been replaced by smth else

[bitter turtle]

that being said, i support any nerf to that aura

[tiny summit]

Good in a way that not taking surv is not gimping your ammo pool. Bad in a way that it's just so fucking funny that that was the conclusion they came to

[rigid pilot]

Surv should be baseline for the entire strike team

[somber axle]

The funniest conclusion is ALWAYS the best conclusion

Now I want them to give Voice of Command the Survivalist Aura treatment

[bitter turtle]

you dont take it on agri shot?

[somber axle]

break it in such a way that the meta shifts in ways no one can predict

and do it in the funniest way

something beyond imagining

[tiny summit]

Like they obviously didn't know what to do with it or the alternatives so they just made it funny

[rigid pilot]

I actually play movespeed shotties mainly

Shotties have so much ammo they are fine

[tiny summit]

Like it's still OK ammo here and there. 1 plasma shot is still a plasma shot

[bitter turtle]

sure @ kant and lawbringer, but I find agri shotty to just be a DMR in disguise

[last parcel]

TALLY HO LADS

[rigid pilot]

Agri has more ammo than kan

[tall torrent]

Forgot abt that gun
Yea ig that one too

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/musket-roadman-gif-22519863

[tall torrent]

Behold

[bitter turtle]

that is cold comfort when i am shooting it for like 70% of the match

[somber axle]

It lets my Lasguns literally be ammo positive when I shoot an elite/special while running Deadshot and Shock Trooper! That's something I adore for how funny it is. I shot a gun and somehow I have more ammo than before I fired

[tall torrent]

My new curio set

[rigid pilot]

Yea you won't ever run out

[tiny summit]

Fatshark: how do we add a bolt action rifle to darktide? Put it on the slug shotgun and make it load only 1 at a time

[rigid pilot]

Usually

[tall torrent]

I’ve ran as low as 12 shots left

When playing with yuri

[rigid pilot]

That's not 0

[bitter turtle]

if i ever have to stop shooting things on purpose

i consider that to be bad ammo economy

[tiny summit]

Yea, helbores were psyker staffs. Still very good ammo economy but you may actually hit yellow sometimes

[rigid pilot]

This is the kind of thing fatshark doesn't want

[somber axle]

They still kinda are in my experience

Never run out of ammo on my Helbores

[tiny summit]

They are, that's why I said you just have a chance of hitting yellow now

[somber axle]

even with ammo goblins hoarding any tin and pack they can find while taking multiple hits off an ammo crate when I'm not looking

[bitter turtle]

also

@tall torrent i still surv on agri revolver

but

i doubt you actually play that thing

[somber axle]

the funniest thing was when I had 2 staff psykers and an ogryn with me

I took 1 hit from the ammo crate when it was first placed

after we finished the funny hold your ground and do remote skill mini-game segment

right as the door opened and we were ready to continue on

I doubled back to take another hit from the ammo crate assuming it would be there

[tall torrent]

I have a godroll XIV revolver sitting in my inventory that I’ve never actually used

[somber axle]

it was not

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

the fucking OGRYN TOOK 3 HITS FROM THE AMMO CRATE??

[bitter turtle]

im still playing my

[somber axle]

man was so hungry he ate the whole damn box

[bitter turtle]

zarona-at-home surgical agri

[tiny summit]

Why not? Gots a nice texture

[last parcel]

sorry

[somber axle]

I wasn't even mad at the time, I was cackling

because it was just such a funny thing this single ogryn took three hits from an ammo crate

[rigid pilot]

Surgical Agri is actually decently fun

But idk if it's decent

[tiny summit]

Gonna be rough trying to play the update when it launches. Elden Ring dlc and EVO in July

[bitter turtle]

imo

[rigid pilot]

EVO?

[bitter turtle]

its actually the best way to play it

yes

[bitter turtle]

fighting game tournament

in vegas

[rigid pilot]

Oh evo

[somber axle]

please for all that is holy don't let EVO be back at where I work this year

I'm begging

on my hands and knees

nose to the floor so hard it honks

not again

[tiny summit]

It's not at Mandalay Bay this year

[last parcel]

extra virgin omegon

[somber axle]

thank goodness

[rigid pilot]

What's wrong with a little gamer mist once in a whiel

[somber axle]

Las Vegas West Convention Hall? They're gonna suffer LMFAO

that place is not as big as people think

I went there for FF14 Fanfest

[tall torrent]

I’m just waiting for space marine 2 tbh

[tiny summit]

Preemo summer time too

[tall torrent]

Don’t rly care for much of the other releases

[somber axle]

it couldn't handle the number of people we had

[bitter turtle]

i dont play video games anymore

[tall torrent]

And that’s if SM2 runs well on my laptop

[bitter turtle]

i just pretend I do

[tiny summit]

Gonna enjoy walking from my hotel to the venue

[bitter turtle]

except arknights

[somber axle]

but then like I think Fanfest had a bigger audience than EVO so

maybe EVO will be ok

[trim steppe]

Unarmoured anything? Or is it flak/unyeilding on this

[bitter turtle]

i run flak/cara on mine

[rigid pilot]

That's a weird way to spell darktide

[bitter turtle]

so crushers actually die in 3 shots reliably

elite might work too idk

[tiny summit]

I should use the Arknights stickers I have and put them on my controller

[bitter turtle]

i have the best arknights stickers

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-warhammer40k-space-marine-warhammer40k-space-marine-drop-space-marine2-gif-26390771

[iron marten]

Arknights gamers in the wild

[tiny summit]

See that we're getting Jotaro VA?

[somber axle]

dude if I end up loving this game I'm going to fall in love with the Ultramarines and buy that dumb gamer chair

LMFAO

[tiny summit]

Emperor blessed his finest with cake

[midnight totem]

haha

[last parcel]

raspberry gorillafucker with be proud

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[last parcel]

GYATT

[rigid pilot]

Damn

[iron marten]

wtf

[rigid pilot]

That's the geneseed right there in the flesh

[tiny summit]

But it's so fucking funny seeing a space marine grapple hook INTO an enemy

[tall torrent]

I think SM2 will cook
The question is whether the 300 tyranids on screen will cook my pc

[tiny summit]

Fucking freight train

[bitter turtle]

the best

[rigid pilot]

Water

[iron marten]

Definitely put the Muelsyse one

[midnight totem]

Eldar men just aren't thicc enough

[tall torrent]

Recently got RoN too

[iron marten]

It’s a good reminder!

[midnight totem]

thats why Yvraine is with the blueberry

[tall torrent]

Gonna start that after my reports are done

[rigid pilot]

They focking fockin

[tiny summit]

Muel...where did that water come from?

[bitter turtle]

😉

[iron marten]

Good luck with that! Just know that some maps will absolutely tank your frames

[iron marten]

Going from 90 to 15 upon entering a room is lol

[tiny summit]

I just saw it read MuMu water 💀

[iron marten]

Could be worse

[bitter turtle]

the artist drew more too

https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/comments/14k5nm3/i_made_rhine_lab_stickers/

[iron marten]

Could be MuMu sweat

[bitter turtle]

not all of them, but i cant find their twitter or whatever with all of em

[tiny summit]

It's pocari sweat

Electrolytes

[iron marten]

I’ve never tried it

Is it just spicy water

[bitter turtle]

no

[tiny summit]

No

[bitter turtle]

its just like gatorade

[tiny summit]

Yea

[iron marten]

Ah

[bitter turtle]

its just called sweat because japanese people didn't understand sweat doesn't sound appetizing

as a drink

unless its from mumu of course

[iron marten]

bruh

[tiny summit]

Idk man have you seen anime and vtuber twitter?

[iron marten]

I hope you’re ready for the next CC

[bitter turtle]

don't look at me like that