veteran-class

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/art-the-clown-terrifier-halloween-smile-creepy-clown-gif-12727510

at least it isn't as rage inducing as Terrifying Barrage on a Psyker Staff

It's an infantry autogun so it's going to shred things regardless

[midnight totem]

My first 550 gun was going to be a plasma gun

... but Blaze away doesn't go to 4

[somber axle]

rip

also as fun as combat ability regen, block efficiency and sprint efficiency are I've started putting corruption resistance on my curios

just because I lose my mind when a squad grabs 2 curios and I spend the entire run on 1 wounds even if I hit a medicae

[midnight totem]

I don't think I've ever used block efficiency

[somber axle]

2 grimoires and I'm barely seeing a dent in my wounds now

[midnight totem]

Just never seemed worth it

Corruption is good though

Helps with the odd pox hound

And pox burster

[somber axle]

I run triple stam curios so it's not so worth it for me but when I'm running 2 toughness/1 stamina curios I put block efficiency on because it can allow for clutch revives in the middle of hordes when grenades are empty

usually there's a grenade ready but on the off chance I'm at 0 and someone needs a rescue ASAP I can let poxwalkers punch air and pick someone up without sweating

[midnight totem]

Fair enough. Stamina is usually not my concern when picking people up in a horde

It's usually on any heavy hitters or specials still around

[tall torrent]

It’s ok but not the best

[midnight totem]

I mean, in sharp contrast to darktide

Vermintide's block cost reduction is 30 percent

[elder fiber]

On top of other bonuses you can get

[midnight totem]

You can get 36 percent with 3 max rolls of block efficiency

[elder fiber]

Handmaiden getting over 100% bcr and shield planting in front of elite patrol

[midnight totem]

But that's also, 20 gunners, flamer, sniper resist

[hearty panther]

most of the options are just bad

youre really left with five real consequential choices

... and metaprogression i guess if you want it

[midnight totem]

What are the 5 you like?

[hearty panther]

cdr, sprint, block, corruption, oh, six, actually

health, toughness

[midnight totem]

I run sniper, gunner, 1 stamina recovery (2 on my melee vet), corruption, sprint efficiency (on my ogryn and psyker), health and toughness

Flamer for ogryn as well

Cdr for ogryn and psyker

[hearty panther]

i dont subscribe to any of the damage reduction ones, but corruption is my one exception since it covers so many different things

[torpid grotto]

I always take gunner

[hearty panther]

even then all my dudes are 3x sprint, block, cdr, and on the few dudes who already cheese cooldown reduction easily i just swap the CDR for more toughness

[bitter turtle]

gunner really isnt that good tbh

i mean straight toughness kinda does the same th ing anyway

[hearty panther]

you avoid guns by sprinting and sliding

and the game will feed you stamina to do it if youre getting shot and have less than half

[torpid grotto]

Good point

[hearty panther]

waiting only til the moment you take damage to earn a benefit from a curio perk is a wasted proposition in my mind

[bitter turtle]

im doing stamina/sprint/cdr nowadays lul

[hearty panther]

like i can totally see the logic, but i'd rather be benefitting as much as possible

[bitter turtle]

gotta go fast

[torpid grotto]

My thought is that gunner chip damage is so constant

Or at least it was when i first equipped it

I havent tried without it now that im better at the game

[bitter turtle]

well

i can believe its useful for newer players

bc of multiplicative stacking i prob still wouldnt run more than 1 tough

though*

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I have 2 probably gonna take that second one off now

Dont need that little bit extra now I know how to dodge slide

[clear narwhal]

#veteran-class message

[blazing cargo]

Which vet build is best atm? Shouty melee?

[bitter turtle]

shout+ wep specialist+revolver/plasma+rashad

imo

[midnight totem]

Shouty is default best overall because yellow toughness is hard to beat

[dreamy spade]

Why do you need a ranged vet lol

1445843867

[somber axle]

have you ever wondered what the fastest possible reload in the game is

[midnight totem]

No

[somber axle]

I've decided to do something incredibly stupid today

with some more clown science

this time in USELESS EDITION

BEHOLD

...as soon as Gyazo finishes loading it

[midnight totem]

Back in the box

[somber axle]

the animation plays so fast it becomes really funny to watch

https://gyazo.com/6763e0b32afd8b89c21ecf55803224e8

that's with only 3 stacks of speedload too

it can get SLIGHTLY FASTER

[pseudo fiber]

should I slap maniac on this

Not using thrust I don't like it on standard

[midnight totem]

Sure

Manic

Kill those muties faster

[hearty panther]

im always manic

[wary galleon]

omg why is it people INSIST ON SPAMMING THE PING BUTTON 20 TIMES IN A SECOND
it makes no benefit other then pissing everyone off

[somber axle]

ok finally

this took way longer to do it with 5 stacks than I thought it would because my cat kept jumping on my desk

https://gyazo.com/0b1db88b33565fd1dfdc9e89816f528c

but at last

this is probably the fastest any weapon can possibly reload in the entire game

OH WAIT

this is without the +30% reload speed on elite/special kill

it can get faster

[tall torrent]

Damn some people are just horrible at killing specials

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/6060ec5262d99575e031bd14ce25f358

this is probably shaving off a few frames at most at this point but still

+10% reload speed perk
+10% reload speed per Speedload stack at max 5 stacks
+30% reload speed on Elite/Special kill Volley Adept Talent
+25% reload speed if weapon contains ammo Tactical Reload talent
+20% reload speed Weapon Specialist Keystone with Fleeting Fire modifier

[blazing cargo]

Focus target vs Wep specialist for melee shouty? 90% of builds on gameslantern are using Focus target

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u using

[blazing cargo]

Plasma+chainsword

[tall torrent]

Focus target

[blazing cargo]

Which weapons for specialist then?

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver

[twin ingot]

and you only get 5 points from it which should be around 50 penance points if you ask me

[midnight totem]

ah fuck

My work computer lost power and I lost my notes on my Tech Adept class

[wanton dawn]

I feel like the 2 stam is needed on my ciag build. 27% ranged crit seems lowish from my memory

I managed to reach 37% once

Nah, i don't even go for right tree

I made this build in order to overcommit ranged

Rofl at the random score

[bitter turtle]

funnier to do this kinda thing on a slow reload gun

i used to actually do it for real on zealot volver

jam those bullets in

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c021f02-c74b-457d-8c2a-2ab9944d4c68/clutch-vet

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c0ad256-b487-47e6-bb05-14ff2a308a35/easy-vet

I took some clips

can anyone explain this

[wanton dawn]

I wanna see the first rez attempt

[dreamy spade]

Istg i revved but then i turned back and he was still there

lmao

[wanton dawn]

I dont think that far ahead

[somber axle]

I've entered the back rooms

Chaos Spawn sent me to the shadow realm

I've entered the Digital Circus and there's only one way out

don't get grabbed on stairs right as a boss dies I guess LMFAO

[terse idol]

Ranged crit hit chance?!
Wiild

[bitter turtle]

so

i just found out

if you run really fast

u can trap yourself in archivum sycorax

the alarm rooms

if you run through a closing door into a dead end room

LOL

[north raptor]

knife trouble?

[serene bough]

i never realized how bad regualr damnation was

players are super slow and indecisive

[blazing cargo]

Is Survivalist still best aura after nerf?

[tame lodge]

Yup, learned the hard way as well

[median moss]

Circling back, I tried this. I'll play with it more to see if it's novelty or if I really like it. 👍

[wraith flare]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

Eeeeeeh

Build dependant

[wraith flare]

Nope

[hollow ibex]

It's definitely no longer just default the best

[hollow ibex]

Wrong

[terse idol]

I mean

[wraith flare]

If you show me a build that reaches an important breakpoint with the other one then I’ll change my mind

Depending on what it is

[terse idol]

It's maybe marginally worse on weapons with lower max ammo counts

But

Fire team

Nobody builds fire team because they're missing a 5% damage

People only pick it because it's convenient

[wraith flare]

Well he did just ask if the aura is the best, and it is

[terse idol]

Yeah

[wraith flare]

Now does that mean u must use it or ur stupid like u were before the nerf? No, a decent bit of my builds are more melee focused now and skip using it to get more nades or whatever the fuck I need the points towards

Also the nerf was stupid and hurt the off meta weapons more than the meta ones

Dummie devs being dummies

Smh

[midnight totem]

I do!

[wraith flare]

You do?

[terse idol]

It's rare 🥺

[hollow ibex]

Nobody cares about FT

[terse idol]

Like rarely do weapons actually miss 5%

[terse idol]

If you're saying that then Movement speed aura is worse

[midnight totem]

Yes. Then I got a new and better power sword that didn't need the 5 percent

[terse idol]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

Uh what

[terse idol]

I mean like, you're saying survivalist isn't the best aura

[hollow ibex]

Movement speed aura is the shit

[terse idol]

We got like 2 Mediocre auras and survivalist

[hollow ibex]

.

[terse idol]

The shit for what though

[wraith flare]

It’s not the shit it’s just shit

[terse idol]

Where do you need movement speed in a build

[hollow ibex]

Only if you're shit

[terse idol]

[wraith flare]

Cope more buddy

[midnight totem]

Honestly I just like speed

[terse idol]

If you're bleeding out on movement speed just take a knife

[hollow ibex]

Not my problem you can't make use of greater mobility

[terse idol]

I mean

People just take a knife

[wraith flare]

The minuscule benefit I get from that is literally not noticeable

[terse idol]

You're not gonna feel 5% is what I'm saying

[hollow ibex]

It's definitely noticeable

[midnight totem]

My melee vet now has close and kill and he's always had the base +5 node snd it feels good

[wraith flare]

And anyone claiming otherwise is high on copium

[terse idol]

You will however feel the movement speed the knife gives you

[hollow ibex]

I run it with knife

[terse idol]

Then it's not that useful still

😭

If the movement speed aura works like other auras

[wraith flare]

The points leading up to that aura are shit too, not just the aura itself

[terse idol]

It's not like

5% the knifes movement speed

It'd just be 5%

Of your base movement speed

[jolly ridge]

Is Dum Dum + Fire Frenzy good for Graia VIII ?

[terse idol]

Well not unless you're going weapon spec

Agile engagement is preeetty good

And smoke too in uh, niche cases

[bitter turtle]

yes lul

[wraith flare]

Oh right it does have agile engagement

Forgot about that

[bitter turtle]

movement spee dis really good

even on a knife

[wraith flare]

Haha no

[hollow ibex]

Out for blood is bonkers

[bitter turtle]

FT sucks unless you need that last 5% for a bp

[wanton dawn]

I finally got another class at lvl 30+

[wraith flare]

[hollow ibex]

But yeah let's just ignore that lol

[midnight totem]

Oh there may be one thing about fireteam that should be noted now

Krak grenades don't instakill Bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

Yeah don't bother lol

[wraith flare]

[bitter turtle]

idk I can feel the loss of 5% playing knife

[midnight totem]

Unless you have grenade tinkerer

[bitter turtle]

death in this game usually happens bc of positioning and mobility

[midnight totem]

Or bring it down

Or fireteam+ elite superiority

[wraith flare]

Idk man if ur survival is based on that 5% ms I got bad news buddy

[hollow ibex]

Nah that 5% extra damage is what really matters

[bitter turtle]

obv its not solely based on having 5% or not, stop arguing in bad faith lmao

might as well drop elite superiority complex

[hollow ibex]

Also a lot of guns don't care about surv

[bitter turtle]

your damage shouldnt be based on having 15% elite dmg or not solely :^)

[hollow ibex]

Why i was saying don't bother lol

[bitter turtle]

why even have a skill tree, your survival shouldn't be based on having the skill tree or not

[midnight totem]

I'm just saying, that is needed for krak grenades to instakill damnation bulwarks

[bitter turtle]

why even have a gun, you can survive with melee only too

[wraith flare]

I don’t need the 15% for my builds specifically but that has a pretty high probability of reaching some breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

why even play darktide

[wraith flare]

Cope more lmao

Mad cuz bad

[midnight totem]

And if you're using kraks, that could be a breakpoint you'd want to reach

[bitter turtle]

idk why you are weirdly aggressive about ms aura but ok

lol

[wraith flare]

The original question was is survivalist the best aura which simply it is

[bitter turtle]

i didnt say otherwise

[terse idol]

The whole crux of the discussion was that survivalist I'd the best aura

Yeah

[wraith flare]

There’s no doubt about that

[midnight totem]

Survivalist sucks

[bitter turtle]

because its a shit aura that needs to be deleted

[midnight totem]

Boo

[hollow ibex]

It's build dependant

[bitter turtle]

better than every aura on every other tree

lul

[wraith flare]

Yup

[bitter turtle]

crutch for bad players too

you sac good talents bc you cant manage ammo on gun

[wraith flare]

And yes I wish surv was changed

And the guns that suffered from it had something done about it

[bitter turtle]

sure, but that doesn't mean MS aura isnt on the upper half of good auras speaking in terms of all 4 classes

unless you unironically think garbage like 10% more regen in coherency is beter

[terse idol]

I mean frankly every veteran build depends on bullets

[tall torrent]

move speed aura is better than dmg aura in most situations

[hollow ibex]

Some don't need surv for that at all

[bitter turtle]

yes, but you dont need surv aura for every gun

[hollow ibex]

And would rather have more mobility

[tall torrent]

surv should be entirely replaced by a different aura and the ammo regen effect should be veteran baseline trait and only benefits veteran

[bitter turtle]

in fact, most guns don' really need it

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-go-fast-sonic-the-hedgehog-fast-speed-motion-blur-gif-18342829

[bitter turtle]

and taking surv = taking garbage like catch a breath instead of 10% melee and agile

[terse idol]

I mean, I'm just caught up on like

[hollow ibex]

Based

[bitter turtle]

if your gun doesn't need it then its better to take something else

[terse idol]

Needing to see visually how fast is 5% movement speed

[wraith flare]

Surv nerf did kinda fuck bolter, is it usable? Yes, is it vastly worse than before? Also yes

[bitter turtle]

bolter is fine

[wraith flare]

I wish bolter got some love

[terse idol]

And since sirosky is already using the knife, I don't think you even need 5% movement speed

[bitter turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1237348959031394385/455fd6138bea347d8878af622e71f4af-1.jpg?ex=66570204&is=6655b084&hm=f7d36b5a8c252187d18e9f51509053946eb85aa1f1d0e58c730d2905881917bc&
i can do 300k range dm g barely picking up ammo

[hearty panther]

you always need more move speed

[bitter turtle]

just stop hipfiring it

[terse idol]

[hearty panther]

its a way of life, and a deep addiction

[bitter turtle]

in terms of damage:bullet ratio it works

as long as you snipe

[tall torrent]

I wish infantry lasguns had hipfire like laspistols

[wraith flare]

I never do

But like I’ve stated previously, there’s guns that do what bolter does with less downsides and better efficiency

[bitter turtle]

well yes

that is true

but its perfectly usable

im happy with where it is tbh

[wraith flare]

Which is why I want it to be buffed, it’s still in the lower half of guns if we’re being honest

[bitter turtle]

i dont want guns being plasma tier dumb shit

[white minnow]

which is still pretty good

[midnight totem]

Nah. Ignore bolter

[white minnow]

considering the average power level of guns currently

[midnight totem]

Buff shredder autopistol

DO IT

[wraith flare]

Yeah that is definitely too op

[midnight totem]

Make it stronger then the ciag

No balls, Fatshark

[white minnow]

crit string of 15

[hearty panther]

bring all guns down to recon

delete starting ammo

vets no longer have belts so their pants drop when they shout

talk to me fatshark

[midnight totem]

This seems unfair

To Nurgle

[vernal spoke]

Add a colt 1911 to the veteran class

[midnight totem]

Now they have to compete with the power sword

In my pants

[vernal spoke]

[midnight totem]

-pulls out second 380 power sword-

See

[bitter turtle]

taking both MS nodes on the tree lets you just casually walk away from hordes

10% MS with a dreg bruiser horde at my back

no MS (didn't turn around but it was the same horde)

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

like maybe you might say "but you'll sprint with knife anyway and outrun them either way"

sure

but js its a significant boost in speed

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah it's really 10 percent for most builds

[hearty panther]

move speed may as well say +damage, -damage taken, +stamina, but you can't really quantify it

but thats what it is

[bitter turtle]

js i cherrypicked the best case for no MS even

[hollow ibex]

It's useless/not noticeable for bad players really. It's up to the player to make use of increased mobility.

[bitter turtle]

at one point the dreg bruisers even got in front of me when i was trying to casually walk away lmao

[tall torrent]

What about only one +5%

[hearty panther]

just play it back at .95

[bitter turtle]

sec, uploading

but

you can still mostly out run them

they might squeeze a few hits here and there though

5% only

there were a few hits before this one

but like it was 3 at most for a fairly long time walking

vs getting smacked around incessantly without

[hallow parrot]

I know I'm going to get booed out of the room but

[terse idol]

I mean frankly you don't need to be that good or bad

To like

Run away

Or into things

[hallow parrot]

I'm kinda happy with what I settled into

[terse idol]

I kinda know what ya mean

[bitter turtle]

he means more bad players dont leverage aggression and mobility well

[terse idol]

But like, these auras kinda run themselves

Oh

[bitter turtle]

which im iunclined to agree with

seeing the reddit pollr esults

every defensive ability is overrated by them no matter how worthless (10% more regen aura on ogryn )

every offensive ability is lower than it should be

EXCEPT

smokes

they still hate smokes because waah waah i dont know how to stand inside

throws it an enemy gunners

[bitter turtle]

looks ok if you're willing to have no toughness regen talent ig
I would swap 5% hp to 5% movespeed though

also

8 stacks is really not worth it

i would put it

anywhere else

demo team might be nice

as for why, you rarely hold focus target till full stacks

so in reality all it does is increase redirect fire stacks from 5 to 8

which sounds nice

but that's like 4.5% damage conditionally

that's literally a conditional, worse version of fire team, already a below avg talent

not worth 1 pt

could drop it and grab out for blood so you have some form of toughness regen too

[hallow parrot]

Yeah I was wondering about taking one of the keystone modifiers out, but the extra stacks sounded really good

but you do have a point yes

[tall torrent]

The extra stacks are really meh in practice

[hallow parrot]

Like thanks a lot for the feedback, like I know it's probably a shit take of a tree but I'm having fun with it

[bitter turtle]

nah

its not that outrageous

[tall torrent]

It could be worse

[bitter turtle]

tac reload is questionable for most guns but its just 1 or 2 points in weird places rather than full on weird meme shit

the only change i'd really swap is just yeah, 5% hp vs 5% ms should be a no brainer for MS, you can see above even my recordings of the difference lul

and 8stack FT is pretty crap in practice

you won't even notice it gone

[hallow parrot]

yeah that was a good catch

so you wouldn't pick close order over out for blood?

well I guess if you don't have a squad that sticks close it won't even matter

[bitter turtle]

well, I think most builds ought to have at least one of the 3 toughness talents

OfB, Exhil Takedown, or Confirmed Kill

close order is not bad either though

if you really dont feel like you need 1 of them

[hallow parrot]

the idea was to help with VoC and the keystone, I was looking at how to balance toughness generation

there's that other node that transfers own regeneration to allies but I dunno how much of a difference it makes

[bitter turtle]

its minor for most builds, especially if you're not taking boosted toughness regen from those 3 nodes i mentioned

but for the emprah is also pretty minor

that line in the middle tree is basically all mediocre to bad talents so just pick whatever

with the point you're saving from 8 stack

i would say

personally

[hallow parrot]

I was looking at out for blood or covering fire maybe?

[bitter turtle]

my choices would be either Out for Blood, 10% melee damage (the generic node to the right of the nodes right before fire team), Demo Team

all of them are really strong talents

just depends on what you're doing with your build

nah covering fire is

extremely bad

[hallow parrot]

oh really

[hollow ibex]

Less time moving is more time shooting

[terse idol]

Me as I play exe and mf

[hollow ibex]

Mobility opens up options

[terse idol]

I just don't move

[hollow ibex]

Simple as

[terse idol]

[hallow parrot]

I do a lot of anti-elite in your face mag dumps honestly lol, so that's why I thought about taking it

[bitter turtle]

it only affects your allies

not you

[terse idol]

After playing in like a lobby where my entire team had no range

[bitter turtle]

if it affected you it would be one of the best talents in the tree

[terse idol]

And every gunner showed up

Having a person dedicated to ranged clear ain't bad

[bitter turtle]

you have to kill an enemy your ally is within 5m of

[hallow parrot]

ah right I see.

Yeah I guess if we're bunched and an enemy is close I'm probably going to use VoC anyway

[keen sedge]

any saving this?

[bitter turtle]

it can be saved but you are losing a good perk

thunderstrike -> uncanny strikes

stamina or sprint efficiency -> carapace

and you live with the one you didnt swap

[tall torrent]

2 stam to carapace
Thunderstrike to uncanny

[hearty panther]

sprint to block
stam to sprint

perfect

[wild vortex]

first workable knife i ever made

[bitter turtle]

swap maniac to something else

maniac really doesnt do much for knife

looks good though

[violet prairie]

Finally hit my thirty on my vet

[wild vortex]

numbers cat said otherwise?

I suppose I could swap to Unyielding

this talent tree ok with Knife? probably gonna use either Zarona or Shotgun or Laspistol ig

[tall torrent]

Maniac doesn’t do much for knife yea

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need hunter’s resolve if u already use low profile

[wild vortex]

ok, so one or the other

[wild vortex]

might want to edit that in your next pass then

[tall torrent]

It’s already been edited

[wild vortex]

oh ok cool

[tall torrent]

All weapon pages are done

[tall torrent]

I can send u all of them in dm if u want

[hallow parrot]

what site is that?

[tall torrent]

My veteran guide

Update is work in progress

[wild vortex]

I'll wait for your update, is okay

[hallow parrot]

can you post a link?

[wild vortex]

I'm active enough to ask if I'm fucking up somewhere

[wild vortex]

pins

[tall torrent]

#veteran-class message

[hallow parrot]

oh I was checking on his profile

yup, got the pin, thank you

[tall torrent]

Note that a lot of the things in the currently pinned version are gonna be changed in the next update

If u have a specific weapon in mind

Best to ask

[hallow parrot]

nah I just wanted to flip through it, thanks

[violet prairie]

Just got some nice rolls on my chainsword and culumnus I think.
Chain sword got grade 3 rampage and grade 3 shred
While my culumnus has grade 3 dumdum and grade 4 sustained fire

[wild vortex]

Numbers cat, do you also intend to maybe do this same stuff for Zealot? Just wondering, because Zealot channel is weird af and I can't find a lot of resources for the class

[tall torrent]

Not at the moment

Mainly 2 reasons

1. I’m not that good at zealot and I don’t play as many zealot weapons as I do veteran weapons
2. Zealot breakpoints usually have tons of conditional requirements (veteran breakpoints are usually “always active”)

[wild vortex]

fair enough. I understand it's probably an enormous amount of work too

[tall torrent]

You also don’t need to min-max very hard on zealot

Veteran breakpoint requires min-max builds a lot of the time

Zealot has way less trap nodes on their talent tree

[tall torrent]

It wouldn’t be as bad because the framework of the WIP veteran guide update is flexible enough to be adapted to zealot tree very quickly

The hard part was designing the framework in the first place and making sure it’s flexible and easy to make changes for

[civic knot]

Why does every auric pub go like that?

[tall torrent]

For some reason the QP randoms today are just really bad

[bitter turtle]

its one of the things we discussed and was gonna get changed in a pass over

[pseudo fiber]

They are bad today

[tall torrent]

I ran into a zealot + psyker duo that actually could not kill anything twice

Lost both games ofc

[pseudo fiber]

people unable to push poxbuster

or deaf

lot of that today

[bitter turtle]

1

[hallow parrot]

what's the legend on weapon perks? Like the ones in red and underlined

[hallow parrot]

ah I skimmed through it and couldn't find it

[tall torrent]

Yea unfortunately basically everything in the guide is worth reading

Especially the first section

[pseudo fiber]

damn based

[hallow parrot]

I'm just trying to gauge how terrible my choices are

so far pretty terrible, not disappointed.

[tall torrent]

Veteran has a lot of trap talents so it’s understandable

[hallow parrot]

I mean, I'm having fun, I feel like I'm carrying my weight on heresy, at least going by how missions have been going on my last few pugs

[tall torrent]

[hallow parrot]

but ynow it's fun to see just how hard you're shitting the bed

[tall torrent]

As you progress into damnation and auric you might want to change some things around in ur builds

[pseudo fiber]

I'm guessing the pinned version is old given I still see yoy making changes every now and thenM

[tall torrent]

Yea, new version had very different color scheme and loads of improvements

[pseudo fiber]

I figured the old one is good though fun to read. I'm guessing you may have changed some opinions on the bolter and mk6 knife

also this bothers me a little haha

[tall torrent]

Yea shotgun page got a big revamp

[pseudo fiber]

Well I'm excited to see it when done

[pseudo fiber]

That formatting too damn looks great

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-sterling-archer-my-penis-can-only-get-so-erect-penis-dick-gif-5428707

[tall torrent]

WIP update version is in dark mode

[pseudo fiber]

idk man that darkmode looks clean

[tall torrent]

There’s a new section explaining what each of the blessings do

[last parcel]

listing out the values for each tier is real king shit

[pseudo fiber]

Goated with the icon too

clean

did you move the basic stats to before the rest of the tree?

[serene bough]

my hero

kill the heretical light mode users

burn them all for their crimes against humanity and the god emperor

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-mode-gif-19890986

[tall torrent]

Like, veteran’ innate stats?

[pseudo fiber]

yeye

[tall torrent]

Yes and u can access it (even in pdf version) by pressing the white skull icon in the mock up talent tree page

[pseudo fiber]

oh that's great

damn you've literally already fixed any potential complaint I may have

[serene bough]

ur a funny guy

[tall torrent]

Made a ton of hyperlinks so the pdf version would be easier to navigate

There’ll be both link version and pdf version

Link is word file so u can just use word’s navigation plane

The talent tree page itself has hyperlink to every talent on the tree

And can guide u directly to the talent breakdown

[pseudo fiber]

Absolutely beautiful

[tall torrent]

Pressing the talent icons can send u back to the talent tree

[pseudo fiber]

I see however you've taken away a lot of the ratings. I'm guessing because you'd rather leave it to the reader?

[tall torrent]

Part of that is because I don’t have enough space in the new talent tree section to include them

As for weapons

I think the revamped radar charts are indicative enough of how good the weapon is

And what things the weapon is good at

[pseudo fiber]

fair enough

The only exceptions will be the recon lasguns with

THESE WEAPONS ARE NOT GOOD

written above them

[tall torrent]

Weapon page example

[tall torrent]

They’re actually not the worst rated weapons

[pseudo fiber]

is it shredder autopistol?

[tall torrent]

Recon

Shredder

[hollow ibex]

Cute chart for shredder

https://tenor.com/view/dory-littleguy-findingdory-gif-5688674

[pseudo fiber]

weapon we trained wrong as a joke

[tall torrent]

A long time ago yea

[minor jewel]

is it still possible to cheese make every shot count?

[hearty panther]

ye it still does

it can do numbers like that

[tall torrent]

What monster rating would u give it then

[hearty panther]

more a testament to the absurdity of vet tree tbh

also rending over onslaught seems an odd recommend to me

[tall torrent]

I wrote that because onslaught switches targets if it hits a 2nd enemy

And the spread is there

[hearty panther]

then youre too far away

[tall torrent]

What monster rating for it then

[hearty panther]

and it puts the rounds out fayst

[tall torrent]

8 then?

[wild vortex]

What is the purpose of a Shredder pistol? Suppression? Toughness generation? Close range single target demolition?

[tall torrent]

I can’t put it at negative number

[stuck gorge]

give it a 2 for ammo 💀

3 if your generous

[hearty panther]

it demolishes a target and sends others nearby a message

[languid spade]

the shredder has changed a LOT since its inception, it used to be a short range horde clear option that was good on most specials and elites - save for crushers and bulwarks...
now though... its lost its place entirely - now its a horde clear gun with no penetration, bad ammo economy, and not much viability since the survivalist nerf

hahahahaha

[bitter turtle]

it hasnt really changed a lot conecptually

[white minnow]

it does maintain its suppression, stagger, and quick swap

[bitter turtle]

it was just pinning fire on a stick

[languid spade]

conceptually it hasn't, pinning fire just went from 100% power to 25% and it wrecked it

[white minnow]

not just that alone but also enemy buffs and other weapons getting buffed

[pseudo fiber]

does it require a ton of set up to one mag a pogryn or nah?

[languid spade]

with a damage stim and executioner stance?

[hearty panther]

in the face preferably

[hollow ibex]

Ngl sounds kinda fun

[languid spade]

pinning fire only generates charges on things it stuns, it wouldn't generate anything hitting a plague ogryn

[hollow ibex]

I love meme guns

[hearty panther]

shame that powderburn isnt ... just better somehow

[untold valve]

stand and fight penace

is their a quicker way to finish it

or is just one of those slow one

[tall torrent]

VoC toughness? Try to find pox gas missions

No the penance requires u to replenish missing toughness

[pseudo fiber]

fire

[tall torrent]

You have to actually be low on toughness to farm it

[pseudo fiber]

barrels or bomber

[tall torrent]

Barrel fire hurts health directly

[untold valve]

got 2500 out 7500

so far

[tall torrent]

If u just have to speedrun it, find pox gas missions

[hallow parrot]

Me: "cmon dumdum. Cmooon dumdum"
Darktide: "would you like some 𝓈𝓉𝓇𝒾𝓅𝓅𝑒𝒹 𝒹𝑜𝓌𝓃 sir?"

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-peak-fiction-one-piece-gif-26139262

[hallow parrot]

wanna try IAGs but my perk game is godawful

[languid spade]

don't put that evil on yourself ottomic

the crafting system is godawful

[hallow parrot]

yeah but ynow

not gonna go crazy for it but I literally can't get a single good perk

[minor jewel]

yall talking about perks

been trying to get manstopper on zealot for DAYS, still nothing

Im not making a whole ass new character just to get a park

Im going to wait for the crafting update thats totally coming this major update

[pseudo fiber]

you just waiting through shop resets?

[midnight totem]

I see manstopper often from brunt

[pseudo fiber]

also why on zealot blessings go across all characters

[minor jewel]

no they dont?

[pseudo fiber]

yes they do

[minor jewel]

since when?

[pseudo fiber]

since

at least last year

if you get a blessing on one character it's shared across all characters

[minor jewel]

chat can we confirm?

chat hes right

[pseudo fiber]

I wasn't gonna lie because funny or anything lol

[minor jewel]

bro we on the internet

people spread misinformation just for fun

[pseudo fiber]

truuue

[minor jewel]

you gotta double check these things

[hallow parrot]

the internet never lies

and that's a fact

[minor jewel]

I am alpharius

[spice osprey]

How do you unlock the monstrosites in the psykanicum?

[north raptor]

modssssss

MODSSSSSSS

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

[pseudo fiber]

well i hope this makes your hunt easier gamer

[spice osprey]

you kids and your MODS

[north raptor]

ikr

too much work

[spice osprey]

on god

[minor jewel]

anyways is it still possible to cheese make every shot count?

[pseudo fiber]

its easier now

[minor jewel]

its been confirmed dw

[spice osprey]

My strat was... I used plasma gun

[minor jewel]

oh does punch through weapons count as bonus accuracy?

[spice osprey]

eats up a lot of ammo and very accurate

[pseudo fiber]

use the lawbringer shotty and don't take survivalist it'll be easy

[minor jewel]

that implies other random things dont count

[hallow parrot]

like IAG crafting wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many dogshit mods that it can spawn with

[minor jewel]

you dont know me

[tall torrent]

IAGs are prob the easiest guns to roll for

[hallow parrot]

really?

[tall torrent]

Yea u just need flak & dum dum

[hallow parrot]

I'm getting like, terrifying barrage, stripped down, that other perk that gives immunity on close kill

[tall torrent]

Hit & run is fine

[hallow parrot]

on other guns it's like okay maybe not ideal but at least I'm gonna do something

yeah that's the thing, I don't even have the perks on hadron lol

that's how bad of a luck I'm having

[languid spade]

odds of getting straight headshots on a plague ogryn swinging around wildly and chasing team mates seems pretty low, whats the damage done with half body shots? cause to be honest that doesn't look that good...

[sudden dome]

Its not good the gun was nerfed into the ground cant you 1 mag them with a revolver doing something similar?

I honestly have done everything I could to get it to work and it seems unless youre firing into something back which basically means missing weakpoint damage on anything important it just doesnt work

cant you set it up to get 91% crit rate for a few seconds, it looks like you can miss one crit and still get it

[bitter turtle]

plogryn is ridiculously easy

honestly

a complete joke of a boss

very easy to chain hs on it

i have dueled plogryn against a wall with no dmg before lol

[sudden dome]

psyker shield makes BoN a joke so theres that

[sleek garden]

I was playing today and ran out of bullets for once and i heard a scab guardsman yell go go charge hes out of ammo

i totally forgot that they react to you

[sudden dome]

literally stands still spitting into it doing nothing

[tall torrent]

stripped down is usable as well

[sudden dome]

uh what, brain burst spam? You have 2 charges of shield letting you spam BB in under a second, you can get your first 3 off in just over a second with EP charges, its not god tier like those 1 mag clips you show but i nthe heat of combat I can stand back and just remove the boss in like 10 seconds maybe more like 15 if I dont have the charges

[tall torrent]

BB is just okay boss dmg

[hallow parrot]

I mean yeah it's usable

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

The difference between a decent Columnus mk5 and a 4/4 godroll one is not that big

[sleek garden]

random hadron win

[tall torrent]

Crit dmg is bad

Falter is bad

No respite doesn’t work for HB1 that well besides bayonet memes

[sleek garden]

i havent even touched it yet

[tall torrent]

And crit chance is kinda whatever given HB1 wants non-crit breakpoints

[rapid palm]

so, what perks and blessings do you want on a braced autogun?

[sudden dome]

both the close damage blessings probably

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac/elite, fire frenzy/deathspitter/stripped down/hit & run

[rapid palm]

why are hit and run and stripped down good? they look awful

[sudden dome]

ignoring gunners is pretty great, not worth the damage loss though to me

[fresh saddle]

is this worth getting for my Vet

[sleek garden]

what's the difference between the mk1 and mk2 helbore though since i have both

[stuck gorge]

charge rate and dmg i think

both have same bayonett

[fresh saddle]

Mk 2 lower damage, smoother charge rate

[sleek garden]

i see

that makes sense

the bayonets look very different im surprised they act the same

[stuck gorge]

the only different bayonet is the mk3 which is a slow axe like overhead swing

pretty sure if you hold down mk1/2 bayonet you even get a speed boost while sprinting

[sleek garden]

curious

what does the mk3 have compared to those two

[fresh saddle]

higher damage

[sleek garden]

other than bayonet

[stuck gorge]

the difference between them all is just mainly the dmg and charge speed

[sleek garden]

also this helbore sounds awesome

i like how all the guns in this game feel

[fresh saddle]

i love my Helbore

i've never seen a 3 one-shot Crushers

[stuck gorge]

i wish my mk3 could one shot crushers (hadron bricked the shit out of it

look at this roll 😭

[untold quiver]

meta blessings for mk III helbore?

[stuck gorge]

surgical and onslaught iirc

[languid spade]

oh, its never the plague ogryn that kills you, its the 14 other things trying to kill you at the same time

[fresh saddle]

Surgical / Weight of Fire is the new name

[wild vortex]

when you shoot Helbores, do you full charge?

[untold quiver]

ive been just using columbus 5 the last 2 weeks and now trying out helbore

im trying to go from brainrot columbus to something w thinking,whats the dif between the 3

[fresh saddle]

depends on what you're trying to kill, what difficulty you're playing at, and what your build/stats are like, that's not an easy question to answer lol

[stuck gorge]

plogryn is way too telegraphed, CS is just uhh i dont know its moveset, and BoN is just get behind it and mag dump

[fresh saddle]

what's your build look like?

[wild vortex]

that tail flick is fucking absurd

[stuck gorge]

i also just hate the timing on the melee attacks it does

it feels like they land either too late or too early

[wild vortex]

tail flick feels impossible to dodge

[stuck gorge]

also the fact if you're the one its targeting your main goal is to just kite it to a spot where your teammates can easily hit the weakpoint

[untold quiver]

thanks guys

got a lucky consecrate

ill work on the weapon tho promise

[sleek garden]

bruh

[stuck gorge]

nice that you got surgical 4

[untold quiver]

ill use it until i get a good 370+

what stat should i not worry about with helbore 3

[stuck gorge]

charge rate wont affect it too much

[untold quiver]

perks?

im gonna change the sprint eff to something

[sudden dome]

Alright I just realized the helbore is just a better BB so now I need to go play with it and treat it like one instead of acting like its a worse revolver.

everything is a worse revolver but I cant play everything like a worse revolver or I would only use a revovler

plasma is pen revolver and ciag involves e being good at aim and recoil control when I didnt pick up a shooter until a few years ago and dont really practice

I honestly use plasma as a see elite pack kill elite pack go back to melee weapon

[vague charm]

For a mk14 revolver build, which of these settups are better?

[tall torrent]

Don’t take inspiring presence

[vague charm]

👍

any of the modifiers I need?

[fresh saddle]

i can't break 2800 on the crusher

[midnight totem]

well, took three tries for this auric maelstrom, but we got it done

three seperate groups of pubs

first one was promising, but one of us lagged behind and got caught by a special alone, boss then ended that run

second one, this vet brought smoke grenades to melee only scab

and we had an ogryn who spammed shots outside a horde, so you can imagine how that went

third team, finally some good fucking players

[rigid pilot]

Crit on dodge is only really good vs ranged enemies

Vs melee it's too janky

You can skip it and probably not feel a difference unless you are running knife

[tall torrent]

Why exploit weakness over 25 toughness

If only exploit weakness worked for ranged attacks

I’d only rly consider it for DC swords

[hallow parrot]

speedload with volley adept and tactical reload is lowkey hilarious

[hearty panther]

the og donker is such a good time

[tall torrent]

What’s ur build for standard shovel

[full nacelle]

I have a revolver build that revolves (heh) around keeping the revolver out 99% of the time unless I'm overwhelmed in a swarm. WS revolver is amazing but if you have the right setup you can go without it and build around fast reloads and constant special sniping from the backline.

[tall torrent]

I mean perk & blessing

[full nacelle]

Right but then I'm constantly running in and out of melee range to snipe specials and I need to constantly be getting kills to deal with swarms of specials that need more ammo uptime

sure

but you can check my results there

it's pretty good lol

WS is amazing but I don't think it's definitively the best take on every revolver build

I'll have to see when I get home

I've got medical shit going on all day unfortunately 😦

I mean I've got my results right there from an auric maelstrom game

I actually haven't run the twins in so long lol

not sure what you mean by that

not sure I see the relevancy

unless you weren't talking to me lol

I'd say the 70 special kills and 101 elite kills are the main point

[wild vortex]

that might just be you being better than them compared to them being relatively good in a pug setting?

[full nacelle]

I've definitely gotten much more comfortable in auric damnation

I'm usually topping the scoreboard on my main 3 builds

yeah no not on that level yet haha

[tall torrent]

I think I haven’t topped dmg in scoreboard in a pretty long time

[full nacelle]

maybe one day

[tall torrent]

But I top plasteel pickups

[full nacelle]

you are the carry we all need

share the love Mr. Moneybags

[wild vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/hero-carefully-he-is-a-hero-fallen-care-gif-27593423

[tall torrent]

Avg now is 900~1100 per game

Depends on if teammates know material spawns well

I don’t think the scoreboard mod tracks plasteel from heretic idols tho

[full nacelle]

what does Hadron do with all that plasteel?

oh and yeah if we're talking about solo auric maelstrom, of course WS is going to be better for revolver lol

I prefer special sniping from a vantage point where I have a better view of the battle. Trivializes specials as long as you have a decent front-line.

[somber axle]

I thought Mr. Craime played with you doing a Revolver vs Plasma test and the numbers were relatively on par though I think his Scoreboard showed he had a few more elite kills with his plasma

[full nacelle]

Map dependent though for sure

[somber axle]

I might be wrong though it's just something I vaguely remember being shared here a while back

might've been someone else

[full nacelle]

It's kind of sad I've been playing this game for 300 hours and I still don't know the names of the maps

[somber axle]

He seems really really good with Plasma tbh

[full nacelle]

Is it just me or is special sniping much more satisfying on the revolver?

[somber axle]

it's ok I've been playing for close to 900 and have only memorized Hab Dreyko

[full nacelle]

TREE MAP! Yeah I know that one haha

And Carnival... Those ones are easy

[somber axle]

Yeah those ones are very self-explanatory

I could see the names of other maps and have no clue what they are LOL

[untold quiver]

fallout courier cosplay

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ranger-fallout-gaming-gif-16823128

[full nacelle]

I think train map is the one where I had that revolver game... It's real open with long sightlines

perfect for that kind of build

[hallow parrot]

goes p hard ngl

[full nacelle]

ohh that's sick

love the scripture pants

[hallow parrot]

it's actually the top

[full nacelle]

oh damn I'm going to have to find where to get it

[hallow parrot]

veteran's sentry uniform from the stand up and fight penance

[full nacelle]

I'm still stuck in my DLC whale armor cause I don't have anything better

[somber axle]

Very nice

[untold quiver]

i want the chest but dont want to farm toughness x.x

[somber axle]

Love the helmet paired with that outfit

[full nacelle]

I really wish I could get a decent knife for my agripinaa revolver build

[full nacelle]

OHHHH

damn you guys are dripped out

I need to step it up

[somber axle]

Vets are dripping today

[hallow parrot]

dayum

[somber axle]

So much drip they're drowning the heretics

[untold quiver]

wish i could get rid of the 🅱️

[tall torrent]

As long as u memorize the loot spawn points you’re fine

[hallow parrot]

I like this mask much better than the krieg set one

[untold quiver]

my favorite with the chest is the beta helmet

[full nacelle]

my idea of drip is wearing the default loyalist pack armor with the xbox 360 gaming headset I got from penances

[untold quiver]

i just need to get used to the 🅱️

[tall torrent]

Moebian 6th?

[full nacelle]

uhhh yeah... yeah I do that

[untold quiver]

if only they had color customization tho

[somber axle]

The back of that beta helmet looks SO GOOD

I love the shiny golden emblem

[hallow parrot]

damn man

[untold quiver]

i think i like the green helmet over black armor, gives unique unit vibe

[last parcel]

ave imperator

[full nacelle]

Is that what this is?

[untold quiver]

ya lol

[full nacelle]

I just call it my whale drip

[tall torrent]

Oh this is mortis set

[full nacelle]

Ah yeah that's it

[tall torrent]

I use this rn

[full nacelle]

Man you guys are clean with it

are these costume pieces free?

[tall torrent]

No

But

[full nacelle]

FUUU

[untold quiver]

i have a color customization mod lemme show you what ill look like

[hallow parrot]

and the one time I spend money I spend it on a dumb lamp helmet

[full nacelle]

looks like a party light for a middle school dance... I approve

[tall torrent]

This one is free

[hallow parrot]

it looks so stupid from the side, and I didn't notice until I bought it

[tall torrent]

And is probably the biggest flex u can have rn

[untold quiver]

the adjustable lamps

[last parcel]

it costs your sanity

[untold quiver]

lol

[hallow parrot]

it's literally a study lamp glued on the side

[untold quiver]

you

[hallow parrot]

OG star wars grade shenanigans

yeah yeah

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/bcfd-cop-white-boots-gif-25999509

I want those boots

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/pixar-pixar-lamp-funny-gif-24889290

[tall torrent]

Just grind penances

[full nacelle]

Haha I think that would suck the fun out for me. I'm already on that weapon grind...

[hallow parrot]

stop gambling at hadron's, get drip

[tall torrent]

It’s not that bad

[untold quiver]

green boi

[full nacelle]

that would require me to play things that aren't vet though

😳

[tall torrent]

I mean

U paid for the whole game u might as well play the whole game

[full nacelle]

I actually do enjoy the other classes... cept Ogryn, sorry

[untold quiver]

i killed the B

[full nacelle]

I like the customization Vet has in their builds... The other classes feel so much more restricted

[tall torrent]

Another one of my favs

[full nacelle]

Fun af but I can't make 9 different Psyker builds that all feel unique like I can on Vet

[full nacelle]

Siiiick! Love the wastelander coat!

[frank ocean]

Its like a double edged sword for me. While it does have a ton more cutomization than other classes, I feel like it could have lost like 5-10 talents and still be just as varied

Because right now so many talents feel borderline required/useful for everyone

But are in different trees which wastes levels on switching branches

[full nacelle]

Yeah I think the tree could use a little reorganizing but I honestly love it compared to the other ones that have very few branching pathways

[hallow parrot]

I think psyker is probably the best spread out

ogryn close second

[frank ocean]

Like most of my builds I feel like I only have like 1-2 talent points that can float/be swapped around

[tall torrent]

Psyker has like 2nd worst build variety imo

[full nacelle]

It is a pain in the butt to constantly try to work in some of the better talents but eh...

[tall torrent]

You only rly have 5 main builds

4 staves + gun

[hallow parrot]

you should probably listen to this guy more than me lol

[tall torrent]

Granted, I think the 5 main builds have branches that make them a bit more interesting

Compared to ogryn

[hallow parrot]

I'm like a japanese restaurant

shit takes all day babyyy

[tall torrent]

Where you only rly have 2 keystone options unless u play gunlungger

[full nacelle]

The only Psyker build I really play now is Vent + Smite + ES full sith lord build

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[tall torrent]

[hallow parrot]

I really like gunlugger though

[tall torrent]

Yea it sure is busted

[hallow parrot]

at least I did back when the skill trees dropped, dunno if they changed anything

[full nacelle]

Ogryn is the only class I don't have leveled... I want to like it but it feels so slow and I hate having to aim down at everything that isn't a crusher

[hallow parrot]

I hadn't properly played one until the skilltrees dropped, like I did a little bit of dabbling but never commited

[tall torrent]

Play grenade gauntlet / kickback

[hallow parrot]

but god damn gorgonning every single elite in the face feels so nice

[full nacelle]

What dat? I'm not well versed on my big man terminology

[hallow parrot]

they're both ranged weapons for ogryn

nade launchers both

[full nacelle]

I could probably get into the charge ability... I loved that move on Kruber in VT2

[hallow parrot]

and I'd say the two trickiest ones to use

[full nacelle]

Ohh ok... I do like me a good grenade launcher

[tall torrent]

imagine if u had a boxing glove but it shoots explosives
that's grenade gauntlet

kickback is single-load shotgun

[hallow parrot]

oh I got it confused with the delayed GL

[tall torrent]

kickback is literal zero brain activity

[hallow parrot]

lol

[near fog]

Throwing a big-ass rock at specials and 1 shotting them is pretty satisfying too

[hallow parrot]

yeah I got it confused with the delayed explosion nade launcher

[elder fiber]

rumbler mostly isn't tricky to use its just kinda bad

[full nacelle]

Might have to try that. The grenade launcher is something I am missing from the Vet's kit.

[hallow parrot]

carpet bombing an entire horde with a nade box also feels dope

[full nacelle]

Even though we have hand grenades for days

[hallow parrot]

rumbler, that's it

[elder fiber]

bumbler

[full nacelle]

Oh the funny rock does make me go hehe

[tall torrent]

Grenadier gauntlet is a great option for removing gunners & specialists besides using rock

Kickback is just busted tho

[elder fiber]

like sometimes it's just going to bounce into a chasm for no reason or be at a slightly lower evelation than what you want the explosion to hit so it gets blocked

[hallow parrot]

I really liked the shredder at launch but when I picked it back up it felt p bad

[full nacelle]

I look at the Vet skill tree and weapons and can make up 10 builds I want to play. I look at Ogryn and there's maybe one that seems interesting.

I'm just not cut out to be the big man

[untold quiver]

i like the psyker leather jackets

everything else is freaky or armour

[full nacelle]

I like the psyker hoods

they're pretty sick

[untold quiver]

like this is my psyker

[hallow parrot]

the krieg set for psyker on hallowette goes p hard

[full nacelle]

he rocking the stache

[untold quiver]

he wasnt supposed to have a stache lol

hold up

[full nacelle]

OH.

[hallow parrot]

it's probably the one I'd buy from all the krieg sets

[untold quiver]

yeah

agreed

only psyker cosmetic i bought was the first leather jacket

krieg drip im too poor

[hallow parrot]

😭

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-lip-bite-emoji-gif-27518891

[hallow parrot]

kids we're not having dinner today

dad spent all the food money on vbucks again

[full nacelle]

they can dine on what you serving there

king shit

I'm supposed to stay in bed but I want to Darktide

[untold quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-20833709

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[tall torrent]

Damn MG4 has twice as fast ADS move speed as MG1a

[serene bough]

Yeh the mobility is nice

[full nacelle]

oh god don't say such things... now I'm going to have to build both

[tall torrent]

Lemme check which weapons have the ads move speed bonus

So far from what I’m seeing

Most guns have 2m/s ADS move speed

Which is quite slow

MG4 however is ~4m/s

Which is very fast

And if placed in a PvP fps game that’ll be “gamebreaking” levels of strafe speed

[full nacelle]

hmmm... wonder if you'd take deadshot with the 4

[tall torrent]

No

[full nacelle]

considering how fast it fires

[serene bough]

Youre better off w/ just grabbing marksmans focus

[full nacelle]

time to cook up a build... again

[grand perch]

MG4 should come with full auto mode instead of that semiauto nonsense

[serene bough]

Desdshot will kill your stamina

[grand perch]

full auto mod mandatory or you will physically hurt yourself

[full nacelle]

True but it's very funny

just thinking about Clown's deadeye autopistol build

what a menace LMAO

[serene bough]

I tend to avoid deadshot in general

[grand perch]

Ashe from R6 flashbacks

[tall torrent]

This what I got now for MG12

[serene bough]

Why salvo

[tall torrent]

1 taps

I found a way to bypass having to use exe stance to make MG12 1 tap enemies

Still uses MF but it’s very lenient on the number of stacks needed

[serene bough]

Interesting

1hko all gunners?

[serene bough]

Nice

[tall torrent]

I also take marksman with this build

basically when I pop VoC I have 10s where I can 1 tap enemies

[rigid pilot]

Might be longshot and reverse falloff too

[tall torrent]

this 10s is usually enough to build a few MF stacks to be able to 1 tap when the effect wears off

[tall torrent]

I don't have longshot on this build

[serene bough]

Show build pls

[grand perch]

no longshot for MG12? mr cat explain yourself

[tall torrent]

u can run krak over frag

I took frag cuz I play knife

[grand perch]

so thats why you take serrated edge

[tall torrent]

yez

[serene bough]

Born leader