veteran-class

[austere pine]

because i don't run a chain weapon for single target

[torn moat]

Chain axe will kill special's/elites much more quickly. I think it has built in rev for some of it's light attacks?

[hallow parrot]

but since chain swords already have their activated single damage, it still covers that while keeping a good balance

[hollow ibex]

The mk IV does yeah

[austere pine]

🤢

[torn moat]

MkIV is the only one I use tbf... But I rarely use it.

[hollow ibex]

I hate the lights sticking on pox walkers

But I think you can use heavies for hordes

[swift bear]

FREEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[torn moat]

If i'm running it, I'm usually a build that lets me dodge/regen stamia quickly. So I don't usually have to worry about the axe getting stuck on things.

[clear narwhal]

I wish they would give Power sword another energised attack by default, then power cycler wouldn't be a must pick on every power sword.

[austere pine]

good self report

[clear narwhal]

compensate by nerfing it a bit maybe

[austere pine]

i live inside of your walls now

[steep sinew]

I really hate the marksmen focus penance

it literally promotes bot play in auric dam

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-your-walls-gif-25753367

[austere pine]

"in auric damn" no it doesn't? don't play auric damn with "troll" builds

[clear narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/scrimblo-catalogue-mandela-catalogue-i-am-in-your-walls-cat-gif-26052452

[steep sinew]

The amount of times i have seen vets mag dump into hoardes of trash is too many to count

[austere pine]

time efficient

[clear narwhal]

Yeah it's not a fun penance. You have to get a lot of kills too, 2.5k?

[austere pine]

depending on gun, sure, but i don't think they'd be doing it if their gun was shit at it

yup 2.5

[clear narwhal]

Agri BA my beloved.

[tall torrent]

much higher single target dmg (actually capable of killing carapace)

much higher boss dmg as well

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[north raptor]

im actually grinding for MF atm and NOT doing aurics and just damnations and kinda having fun

i kitted out a headhunter for it

[austere pine]

the intended way lol

i did it with agri iag

[north raptor]

yea i think you recommended me an easier way a few days agfor some of these kill penances

[clear narwhal]

Incase anyone wants to try my build.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b47662d-3577-44b1-ae6e-a8eb7bfd53d3/executioners-focus-auric-maelstrom

[north raptor]

what's the value add of the braced autoguns over the infantry autoguns?

[clear narwhal]

Big damage per bullet

[north raptor]

oh

but theyre the same range role, right?

[clear narwhal]

for Agri anyway

[tall torrent]

Better bodyshot dmg, higher stagger

[clear narwhal]

ig so?

[tall torrent]

Significantly less finesse

[north raptor]

oh

[clear narwhal]

Still, raw numbers are v high, you can 3-4 shot most specialists

with Agri BA

[north raptor]

oh

[clear narwhal]

Others maybe slightly more

Build dependant*

[north raptor]

well quite

[tall torrent]

I should also mention that braced autoguns for some reason only have 2 dodges before fatigue sets in

[gilded rock]

Tbh critting every other hit and crits not consuming ammo on a weapon with pretty decent cleave is reason enough to magdump if you can/need to

[clear narwhal]

but if you gotta do dodging, you should have your melee out tbf

[north raptor]

955 why dont u have a name when you have such a cute catvatar

[gilded rock]

Otherwise yeah it's silly

[tall torrent]

“Numbers cat” is better

[north raptor]

;_;

why not name yourself path.exe

[austere pine]

not really. iag are better usable at higher ranges

and agri iag is basically an ak

[north raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

numbers cat

[austere pine]

numbers man is just a hater

[north raptor]

but his avatacat is so cute

[tall torrent]

[austere pine]

cat avatars are either the nicest people out there are the biggest creeps, haters, toxic mfs you can imagine

[stuck gorge]

chat is this true

[north raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/kediler-kedi-kalp-gif-25346384

[clear narwhal]

so, a wild variety of extremes?

[north raptor]

hey i like the chainaxe tho

[clear narwhal]

At 50m Range

[hollow ibex]

okay, but wtf is that hud

[north raptor]

mods are weird

[stuck gorge]

ive seen it before on other people when they use mods but whats the ^17 mean?

[clear narwhal]

It's a UI mod, you can edit each element individually

[hollow ibex]

i know the mod, just commenting on the arrangement

[clear narwhal]

I wanted minimalist and Comfortable, the way it's set up felt best and stayed out of the way of where I'm usually looking.

Others reccomended having it all the way around your reticle, but then you can't see what you're aiming at :/

so, just below felt good.

[clear narwhal]

That's another mod, "True Level". It's the amount of times I've gained enough xp to reach lvl 30 on this char.

lvl 241, prestige 17

[wild vortex]

mfw I see Ogryns emptying their stubbers into poxwalker hordes:

[stuck gorge]

i see so thats what it means

[north raptor]

im scared of that mod

either ill be lower than i think and feel weird or higher than i expected and feel weird

[wild vortex]

You should be. Imagine seeing a lv 100 die 3 times in a normal heresy mission

[clear narwhal]

To put it into perspective, I have about 450 hours in darktide, most of my playtime is in my Vet

[hollow ibex]

i installed the mod for shits and giggles

now i'm paranoid when i see a level 35 join my auric game

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-okkurr-paranoid-funny-gif-12399878

[clear narwhal]

Yeah, it's a tossup, are they on an alt character? or are they just new.

[wild vortex]

the way I use that mod is very simple. I find the highest level player in my comp and try to stick with them

50% of the time it works all the time

[north raptor]

50% is better than 33%!

[stuck gorge]

33% is still better than staying solo

[clear narwhal]

I tried True solo on normal damnation about 100 hours ago. Still feel the bruises now.

[north raptor]

thats hard

[clear narwhal]

I'd just run into a wall every time a boss spawned.

[north raptor]

i did kerillian TS back in the vtide days casually and i think i beat it only once or twice

[clear narwhal]

I should try again, I feel like my build might have changed how difficult that is.

[wild vortex]

is there a mod to even enable that?

wild

[stuck gorge]

yea theres a mod that disables bots

[clear narwhal]

Yeah, I think it's called True Solo QoL

[wild vortex]

wait, I thought it enabled just you + three bots?

you mean to say it was JUST YOU?

[clear narwhal]

Just me.

[wild vortex]

in a damnation?

[clear narwhal]

yup

[wild vortex]

holy fuck

[north raptor]

true solo is fun

[wild vortex]

[stuck gorge]

wait i got a question

do bots even have an aura

[clear narwhal]

Some people are built different and True Solo for fun.

[clear narwhal]

good question

idk unfortunately

I would assume no

[north raptor]

does your character say voice lines in true solo in dtide?

aand then no one talks to them

[clear narwhal]

Don't think so

[north raptor]

ruined

[clear narwhal]

cept the start, I think they speak then

[north raptor]

it should be like garfield without garfield

[wild vortex]

unless you're Psyker, in which case the Beloved is always listening and talking

[clear narwhal]

in response to comms or whatever

[clear narwhal]

Gar

Alternatively

Field

https://tenor.com/view/green-grass-field-wheres-waldo-gif-14266088

[tall torrent]

Yes, scavenger (un-upgraded survivalist)

[clear narwhal]

cool

that's good to know

[frank ocean]

Ooooooh Melk might not have given me Power Cycler 2, but he is selling Deadly Accurate 4 on a purple for just 1540, so I'll consider that a W

[wild vortex]

this was a Melk buy from yesterday, if you believe it

[last parcel]

bombarding the new player with slurs to make them leave so you can have a scavenger bot to stack on top of survivalist

[clear narwhal]

👀

I feel like now that I have a Unyielding on my pwr sword and a little more damage for my Ba I may be able to pull off a damnation true solo.

I was hitting a wall every time a boss would spawn before 😭

But i've also gotten better at dueling them

what did you run for that?

So you use the default weapons?

I can imagine

I've forgotten what the default weapons are

[tall torrent]

Standard shovel, MG1a

[clear narwhal]

ty

[tall torrent]

DC + laspistol mk2

Zealot gets Rashad + Agripinaa IAG

[wild vortex]

Melkman selling the elusive +3 stam curio today

And it has toughness regen + combat ability regen holy

[stuck gorge]

he tried selling me a fake +3 stam 2 days ago

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen is pretty mid for veteran

[stuck gorge]

you don't even need it on ogryn he already has a very large stamina pool just by base + his weapon stamina

[wild vortex]

idk, toughness regen is pretty busted strong on Ogryn in my experience

[tall torrent]

Ogryn has busted toughness gain on his own

[wild vortex]

Oldgryns also confirmed it afaik

[clear narwhal]

What's your yt?

[tall torrent]

Toughness gain ≠ toughness regen

[wild vortex]

yeah I know the difference

[full nacelle]

Does deadshot still activate if you're out of stamina?

[clear narwhal]

don't think so

[full nacelle]

Gotchu. Trying to decide which lasgun to run with it.

I think the IV would run out to quick...

[tall torrent]

TLDR laspistol or none

That’s my opinion

[full nacelle]

I've been running it with a laspistol and it's aight

I want to try the lasguns since they have some good weakpoint perks

and it's a marksmen's focus build

[dire olive]

Laspistol has the craziest crit bonus though too

And a hidden increased crit chance

[full nacelle]

it do but I kind of need the consistency to keep up Exe Stance

[dire olive]

Pretty sure either laspistol will one shot any shooters in exe

And possibly gunners with MF stacks

[clear narwhal]

Do you have 3 4% cooldown on your curios?

[dire olive]

Not really sure how the other lasguns are more consistent in that regard

[clear narwhal]

Keeping exe stance active shouldn't be a problem with vet, lots of cooldown options

[full nacelle]

Got it on two of my trinkets

[dire olive]

Thing I love about laspistol is it's so easy to headshot even with hip fire

Actually, especially with hip fire

[clear narwhal]

idk about marksman's focus with las pistol, seems like a lot of effort to keep up

[full nacelle]

I should probably reroll my laspistol tbf... It doesn't have flak damage

[dire olive]

One of the easiest honestly

You don't even have to ADS

[full nacelle]

yeah now that I'm looking at it, the other lasguns are much less accurate when not ADS

[clear narwhal]

isn't the accuracy kinda bad hipfiring?

[dire olive]

It has some of the best hipfire in the game

[full nacelle]

yeah laspistol had a much tighter spread

I guess I'll just try to get a better laspistol

[clear narwhal]

interesting

[dire olive]

Like, idk if anything but plasma or shotgun slug is more accurate

[tall torrent]

It’s alright but it works better with WS imo

The firerate boost & first shot crit allows u to burst things down much faster usually which is what laspistol is good at

[tall torrent]

It’s accurate out to a pretty good distance and u can reliably click heads with just hipfire

[clear narwhal]

ooh ok

[austere pine]

rate the zealot build because those dudes in #zealot-class cannot talk about things relating to the class

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t take duellist with evicerator personally, low finesse
Also Mk II evicerator can’t rly kill crushers effectively

[clear narwhal]

idk, been too long since I played my zealot, and I never got too familiar with the tree

[austere pine]

which is why the flamer

[tall torrent]

Chain weapons are sorta just hard carried by FotF

[austere pine]

sort of

[tall torrent]

Well, without FotF the flamer isn’t killing crushers either

[clear narwhal]

Eviscerator is nice but idk why they need two horde clear options.

[austere pine]

how would i deal with crushers on zealot then

[tall torrent]

FotF

[austere pine]

what about fury makes the flamer deal with crushers?

i've always figured it's the guaranteed crit

or the attack speed but like

[tall torrent]

Fury makes the game use flak ADM for carapace armored enemies

[pseudo fiber]

The zealot chat is a second general at this point

[tall torrent]

And unarmored ADM for flak armored enemies

[austere pine]

??????

[dire olive]

It makes their armour bad

[tall torrent]

yea

It downgrades enemy armor

It’s the most busted ability in the game

[austere pine]

how

why

...

[clear narwhal]

fucking pretzels, lmao #zealot-class message

[austere pine]

does it do anything to unyielding?

[tall torrent]

No but

[austere pine]

or infested?

[tall torrent]

Basically if u want a chain weapon to kill carapace

[austere pine]

so literally just armor

[tall torrent]

U rev, hit first, then immediately activate FotF

[gilded wraith]

anyone have a build they like for a helbore mk3?

[austere pine]

THEN activate?

[full nacelle]

Why no enduring faith? One of the best nodes in the game

[tall torrent]

For some reason this does more dmg than using FotF first then hitting them

[austere pine]

restoring faith?

[tall torrent]

Enduring faith

[tall torrent]

50% TDR on melee Crit for 4s

[clear narwhal]

I hate Helbores, so no

[tall torrent]

It’s insanely strong

[austere pine]

oh

poor on points when i was making it

[clear narwhal]

feels awful to me

[tall torrent]

If you play anything that’s remotely crit relevant just go scourge + enduring faith + throwing knives

[austere pine]

what about hammer with this build

the only key talents are the aura and the ult

[tall torrent]

Hammer needs FotF to kill crusher as well

[austere pine]

anything after that is what felt appropriate

[tall torrent]

Or a rly wack martyrdom set-up

[clear narwhal]

Not flame grenades?

[tall torrent]

Fire grenades are great but throwing knives are just insanely strong for special sniping

[dire olive]

I mean if you're running hammer, FotF or SF are just a given

[austere pine]

if you can aim

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t call it requiring good aim I just think u need decent crosshair centering

[stuck gorge]

they have a pretty generous hitbox, just the drop off at range

[austere pine]

hold on need to clip something

[dire olive]

As a throwing knife enjoyer they're pretty easy to hit once you've gotten a modicum of practice

[tall torrent]

Having a tool that can instant 1 tap both gunners, both shotgunners, all specialists except mutants and Dreg ragers with +maniac on ur in-hand weapon is just really valuable

[dire olive]

Also lets you have the glorious holy flamer without gimping your sniping ability

[minor iron]

brunt had this with the tier 4 crit damage, did i win?

[tall torrent]

Crit dmg is bad, unfortunately

[minor iron]

not sure how i feel about low mobility on melee weapons though\

[tall torrent]

I don’t even got words

[stuck gorge]

dogs just being annoying fucks in general:

[dire olive]

Eh, a knife is gonna be fast no matter what

[tall torrent]

On knife it’s not a big deal

[dire olive]

As long as you get the highest dodge count it makes very little difference

Slow weapon will be slow, fast weapon will be fast

[austere pine]

i've been running it extensively and wanted something else, but would flamer + knife on the build i had be good?

[dire olive]

Personally I prefer going momentum on knife with the backstab CDR

[tall torrent]

With FotF yea

Idk why u rly want relic

[austere pine]

FUCK fury

jk i love fury

but need to nail down the penances

and this is the final one

[tall torrent]

If u don’t want fury for killing crushers then your options are pretty limited

[stuck gorge]

it sucks that piss toughness doesnt count towards that penance tho

[tall torrent]

XV evicerator can kill crushers without FotF

[dire olive]

Two words

Chain Axe

[clear narwhal]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274, the new https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719.

[austere pine]

eh. i've done the vet VoC penance already and it wasn't that bad

[stuck gorge]

yea but at least VOC you just press and forget, with book you gotta basically do nothing if you wanna get the most toughness per use

[dire olive]

Thunderous chainaxe with thrust or the silly bleed meme blessing will deal with crushers

[austere pine]

at that point, if i'm gonna be running xv, i might just run laspistol

[dire olive]

Or just uncanny knife 🤷‍♀️

I'm very silly and take 2 +3 stam curios on my knife build and just push stab crushers to death

[austere pine]

@frank monolith is my knife sensei and they run 3x +3 stam with stam and block efficiency perks on the knife

show up sensei

[dire olive]

Based

[stuck gorge]

why block eff?

[dire olive]

having a load of block feels nice with knife for some reason

[austere pine]

so when they accidentally block they can still shove and bash attack

[frank ocean]

I hate what this Adept Assassin penance is doing to my playstyle. Its making me feel like I have to rush ahead to kill all the elites/specials before an Assail or Zealot comes in and takes it from me. Can't wait to be done with it so I can go back to Focus Target

But hey, at least I finally got my first area title during the grind

[pseudo fiber]

You've done 50 missions in one area but you're so low on the pass

how many penances have you done?

[frank ocean]

Haven't started an Ogryn yet, so I only have Penances from the other 3

[trim steppe]

you're on your way

[pseudo fiber]

damn well have fun when you do gamer

[north raptor]

ogryn the best

[stuck gorge]

Pretty sure ogryns penances aren’t complicated they just have a high goal

[frank ocean]

Yeah also I wasn't really looking up whats "Meta" or good until I came back to the game recently, and didn't like doing Damnation+ in public games

[trim steppe]

Yeah ogryn feels the grindiest somehow

Good thing ogryn gameplay is so fun that I dont mindd

The penances are teaching me just how bad Culling Coward is tho on Ogryn. I get a few hundred per match while blasting with my stubber the whole time smh

[stuck gorge]

Heavy attack kills at max heavy hitter stacks, kills at feel no pain 7 stacks or higher, shoot a fuck ton of free bullets with that keystone

And all are like thousands of kills

[trim steppe]

yeah its low key ridiculous

[pseudo fiber]

you need someone else doing suppression I got a purgatus staff psyker and a brauto gunning vet and it went so fast

[trim steppe]

For the 5000 heavy attack kills penance I went to hi-int malice carnival and just slaughtered the endless horde around the first servitor for like 30 mins. Still only got me part way there but then I was able to knock it out over several missions

[frank ocean]

Did you do that with a group of people also grinding stuff, or did you get a private game for that?

What I wouldn't give for a way to do a solo game for some of the penances lol

[trim steppe]

I just used MMT for a solo match. I've done that a good amount for the new penances actually. Like I did 10 solo games to just empty my achyls and quit to get me close to the BLO penance

[stuck gorge]

Being forced to have friends for private game penances

[frank ocean]

For real

[pseudo fiber]

or the ever lovely lfg channel

[trim steppe]

Yo, not even. Use the Many More Tries mod

[stuck gorge]

Forgot that existed, will proceed to forget about it again when I wake up in the morning

[trim steppe]

It lets you solo

[frank ocean]

I'm on console

[stuck gorge]

I don’t have any mods atm and don’t feel like doing that stuff

[pseudo fiber]

I got the just a flesh wound one here and the psyker one with a friend where he was a ogryn with shield and taunt and we hit a daemon host

[trim steppe]

Fair enough. The mod lets you queue into missions up to 24 hours old, so any missions that have already expired from the board won't be joined by anyone, ez solo

[frank ocean]

God Just a Flesh Wound just feels like its 3x as hard as the other private penances

Like Psychers is annoying but BB still does a decent chunk of damage while someone has its aggro

[pseudo fiber]

It's really not.

[trim steppe]

The addition of the twins fight made that one trivial

you can do it in like 7 mins ez

[stuck gorge]

Just use funny double shield + dmg stim and it becomes pretty decent

The one BB boost on ability usage + double shield can be a pretty decent weapon

[trim steppe]

The BB one is also doable on weakened monsters in maelstroms, and its down to 50% damage now (used to be 100%, then 90% ). Quite a lot easier than it once was

[stuck gorge]

Wasn’t it like 75

Before

[trim steppe]

Naw it was 90%

[stuck gorge]

Wtf

[trim steppe]

on release it was 100% so if someone breathed on it you got rekt

[frank ocean]

Good lord

Like how the Cliffhanger penance for Psycher was like 20 instead of 7

[trim steppe]

yeah lmao

[stuck gorge]

Can flamers/bombers hit monstrosities?

[frank ocean]

Which I still dont have

[runic hound]

I’m new to dark tide, what is vox?

[stuck gorge]

It was fucking 20 before?

[trim steppe]

dont think so, but barrels count

[frank ocean]

In game, its the comm system I think

[pseudo fiber]

I did half of these harder ones and don't fucking remember it lmfao

[clear narwhal]

I haven't flexed my finished Veteran penance list yet, so here it is

[frank ocean]

When I was looking up a guide/tips for Cliffhanger I saw it and was dumbfounded

[runic hound]

Can anyone recommend a good veteran build

I’m following one from a website, not sure if it’s really good or not

[trim steppe]

The friggin Heavyweight Champ penance on Ogryn used to be knocking over 6 other ogryn, and back before the game literally never spawned more than 3. So you had to kite ogryn around the map until you could collect enough to knock them down. BRUTAL

[pseudo fiber]

You could use the force sword push I remember now I did it on vigil station and pushed them off the bridge at the end

[frank ocean]

I've been doing that, but it always stops at 6

To my extreme annoyance

[pseudo fiber]

well what do you want to do

[runic hound]

I’m following a build called veteran squad leader

[frank ocean]

Now you just start up a HISTG and you'll get that in 5 minutes XD

[runic hound]

I wanna do all content

[pseudo fiber]

Ohhh that one yeah

[stuck gorge]

Link?

[runic hound]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[pseudo fiber]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

this one

yeajj

[clear narwhal]

I recommend anything with Shout

[runic hound]

So it’s a good one to follow?

[pseudo fiber]

yeah honest to god you could do anything with that build

[clear narwhal]

^

Just take all the talents from that build and throw on whatever weapons you like the look of

[hollow ibex]

not optimal. but it prob won't matter too much

fine as a starting point

in general gameslantern builds aren't great tho

[runic hound]

Can you give me an optimal build sirosky

[clear narwhal]

Quick tip, if you look for builds that use the weapon you want to use, you can get a good idea of the best perks and blessings for that weapon @runic hound

[stuck gorge]

Tbh any build can do decently well in every difficulty

Also look in the pins for each channel, it usually has the best setup for each weapon

[clear narwhal]

If you want something that's optimised to do as much damage as possible, I put together a build for the agripinaa BA, you may die often until you get very familiar with the game but you'll be topscoring almost every game. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b47662d-3577-44b1-ae6e-a8eb7bfd53d3/executioners-focus-auric-maelstrom

[trim steppe]

Right now I think this is the worst penance in the game. Whoever added it clearly doesn't play their own game above malice difficulty

[clear narwhal]

I have met 1 veteran in the last month of playing that outdamaged me.

[clear narwhal]

and he was also using this gun :)

[north raptor]

if youre new, lean on voice of command and focus fire a lot. thats what i do and im not new

[clear narwhal]

^ fr

Voice of command is a lifesaver

Actually I do have a version of that build that uses VoC

[pseudo fiber]

funniest penance ever tbh. Either give it a title or change it to hits

[clear narwhal]

hits

[frank ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/why-dont-we-have-both-both-celebrate-happy-gif-4997058

[pseudo fiber]

well i get it but at the same time a title like barrel master for 2500 barrel kills is absurdly funny

[clear narwhal]

Barrel Basher

Barrel Buster

Barrel Burster

[frank ocean]

Barrel of Fun

Ordo Barrelticus

[tiny summit]

well they made penances for a thing to grind as you play but they gave penances in a new content drought for the game so penances are the content.

[trim steppe]

Sure, but like, on damnation+ you can get a max of like 2 kills per barrel in a perfect situation with full hp enemies. They just have too much hp. When youre on malice and below the barrels can kill like 20 at once so its way more reasonable

[pseudo fiber]

almost everyone who's done it did it in the barrel maelstrom so

[trim steppe]

Guess I'll have to try that, I dont see that one very often

I've done about 20 maelstroms since the patch and none of em were barrels o' fun

All my barrel kills are from sedition grimoire speedruns

[full nacelle]

What perks do you want on the mk6 combat blade?

[tall torrent]

Carapace + elite

[full nacelle]

Thank you!

[tall torrent]

Granted, you’re expected to have some melee dmg investment when playing knife

That’s just how it is

[zenith girder]

Is there an issue with the "fire down range" penance? been using a helbore and it almost never actually procs, even when the enemy is well beyond 30 meters

[trim steppe]

Dunno, I did that one ages ago. Are you playing on malice or higher?

[zenith girder]

malice

its a 50/50 chance it actually logs the kill

[midnight totem]

What's the fire down range penance again?

[zenith girder]

Kill 100 enemies at 3o meters and beyond

on malice

[thorn plinth]

i was wondering, when trying to get IV tier blessings, should you ignore weapons under a certain modifier number? or is it truly random?

[midnight totem]

Huh. Forgot that was a penance

[midnight totem]

As long as it's above I'd say... 320

It has the same chance of getting t 4 blessings

[thorn plinth]

thanks ^_^ was unsure exactly how it worked when it comes to that

[midnight totem]

Basically at 320 and above you only roll t3 and t4 blessings

Though if hadron doesn't like you, it may be more t3

[thorn plinth]

trying to roll a decent recon lasgun

[manic cloak]

I thought the same percentage for T4 was at ilevel 364?

[somber axle]

holy shitake mushrooms

Tried out Rogue Trader with a few friends and actually love the game

[last parcel]

abelard

cut off his balls

[somber axle]

I turned on some turrets and they unloaded into Argenta's back

My friend was Officer and could just give the turrets extra turns which was really funny

[somber axle]

I don't know why I need to remove his balls yet but we'll find out

I also gaslit my friend into going commissar on a poor grunt

and he shot the guardsman

only after shooting him did I put together the environmental storytelling proper and realise he was 100% innocent and we're idiots

such is the way of the clown

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

we're not being lame so no reloading saves for doing stupid things

we live with the consequences of our actions

I made a biomancy sanctioned psyker because I wanted to be the group healer and so far all I've managed to do is stop Pasqal from burning to death

[midnight totem]

Now see here Sneaky

[somber axle]

See wh

I usually go healer in my friend group in games like this

[midnight totem]

You ever play the first DoW?

[somber axle]

No

Darktide is my first 40k game and now Rogue Trader is my second

[midnight totem]

Oh. Well nm, but

[somber axle]

My friends are slowly introducing me to more of the universe bit by bit

[midnight totem]

one of the first quotes I ever heard for 40k, and especially applies for inquisitors

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt

You doin' the Emperor's work

[somber axle]

I felt really bad for getting that guy killed just because I was whispering to my friend over voice that the guard gave me bad vibes

LOL

[midnight totem]

Eh

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/rio-sucked-in-funny-gif-12096773

[midnight totem]

He could have become a traitor

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drag-come-here-comehere-gif-21771860

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-gif-11860707806614162387

[midnight totem]

Anyway, welcome to the 40k universe

[somber axle]

I have the most friendly fire kills in this game so far just because of accidents LMFAO

[midnight totem]

Watch out for the fascists and neckbeards, there are quite a lot of them unironically who play 40k

Anyway, only 300 kills away from ogryn heavy hitter penance

5 more ogryn games for 100 played

And just finished taunting elites penance

[somber axle]

I don't really plan on like going to a Warhammer convention or anything tbh

just playing warhammer games with friends

I'm joining them for Space Marine 2 whenever it comes out since it also has co-op

[midnight totem]

Hell yeah

[somber axle]

Nice! Almost there

[midnight totem]

I think the worst part is that it only counts kills at 5 stacks

Getting to 5 stacks, you already killed half the horde

[somber axle]

I mostly would just wail on individual poxwalkers to build stacks before swinging at big chunks

let the crowd slap me it doesn't matter

the toughness regens to full on every swing whether it's 1 target or 10

ogryn HP doesn't care

[midnight totem]

True

I've also shoveled a shit ton of elites doing this penance

[somber axle]

I made the mistake of trying it with the shield at first

but shovel really is so much better

shovel with thrust just plowing through hordes

[midnight totem]

Shield isn't too bad, but yeah

Second best option

[somber axle]

I was mostly just frustrated with shield because it felt so weak for crusher killing and having to swap to a ripper with can opener felt so slow

every time I see a crusher I end up weirdly laser focused on annihilating them

[midnight totem]

It's definitely not the instant hammerdown of a shovels special

[somber axle]

4 crushers appear and shovel just slaps them each one at a time

4 crushers appear and shield is just gently whacking them forever

[midnight totem]

But it is safer against a mixed group

[somber axle]

Yeah

Shield just feels so satisfying to swing into hordes and ragers

[midnight totem]

You can't always count on the little ones keeping the horde clear

[last parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1194646351741468672/BE_QUIET.gif

[somber axle]

I had 3 evis zealots in a group earlier today and hordes were still being a weird constant problem

I thought they'd go blender and wipe them quick but the poxwalkers felt everywhere always

[oblique totem]

I started playing Rogue Trader and kind of forgot about Darktide.

[somber axle]

Rogue Trader is really, really fun

Even without friends the game seems fun to play

[midnight totem]

Rogue Trader: the shit Brahms wishes she was doing

[somber axle]

I just like playing it with friends because it feels like a 40k D&D game

[oblique totem]

Which is convenient for me because I don't have friends.

[midnight totem]

It is a 40k dnd game

[somber axle]

the game had weird desync issues that we only fixed by turning off the vsync in settings

idk why but it was making the game run so laggy

it was really funny googling the problem and seeing reddit posts going "wait this game is coop?"

[midnight totem]

Oh, also got 50 missions in Chasm Terminus. Explorator title get

[somber axle]

Nice

I have yet to earn Ring Master

maybe one day

[oblique totem]

I tired to play the multiplayer once and my game crashed.

Lesson learned.

[somber axle]

the game does not play very well with friends but we're persistent

also are lasguns in Rogue Trader bad or something

I've missed what felt like every single shot trying to use a lasgun

[midnight totem]

Oof

Who's your favorite character so far

[somber axle]

Pasqual easily but I only just met him

[oblique totem]

They aren't bad, you just need the right build.

[somber axle]

Argenta is cool too though

Mechanicus are my fav faction in 40k

I would be a Tech Priest in Darktide if it were at all possible

I would spend silly amounts of money for a Tech Priest cosmetic

[oblique totem]

Me: Abelard, Smack his balls.
Abelard: Sighs and reaches for his weapon.

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-wh40k-imperium-of-man-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-gif-1633196030595994455

the mechanical arms Doc Ock style are something I love love love

[oblique totem]

Sadly, Hadron is too busy being the tech priest.

[somber axle]

I would give Fatshark $200 for an xpac that was literally only a new Tech Priest class for Darktide

I know they'd never do it

but I would

[midnight totem]

I like the navigator

But, magic princess woman

[somber axle]

I haven't met them yet

[midnight totem]

You will

Also you'd love my idea for a tech adept class for darktide

[somber axle]

We only just started and touched down on Rykad I think it was called?

big war zone planet

[midnight totem]

That's most planets

[raw steppe]

wish i could've enjoyed rogue trader lol

the classes are cool and the story seems cool

but the gameplay is just so ass

[somber axle]

make me a skitarii

[raw steppe]

compared to like bg3 and xcom

[somber axle]

it is the ultimate dream

[raw steppe]

the way the camera jumps around and the enemy design after you kill the spawn

is so fucking boring

like every single fight is like... 8 trash enemies and 1-2 tanky enemies

[oblique totem]

You wish to be lobotomized and build from the ground up as a foot soldier more machine than flesh?

[somber axle]

Yes

Remove my brain and make me nothing more than a tool to be used for the benefit of technology

The less flesh the better

The less recognizable as a former human the better

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/flesh-fleshtender-fleshskin-gif-25753157

[somber axle]

Make me the metal puppet on strings and I will dance just as happily as I do in clown shoes

[midnight totem]

This is why we're leaving you in the digital circus Pomni

[oblique totem]

Fair enough

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-peralta-why-what-brooklyn99-gif-23668867

No flesh, only digitized existential dread and clown music.

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/bella-eye-gif-12534210074486385531

I live to serve

I serve to live

[oblique totem]

Admirable.

[somber axle]

no dread, just clown music

[last parcel]

is that like dragon music

[oblique totem]

Don't reply

[somber axle]

I may not be able to process emotions anymore but if I could I would process only joy

[oblique totem]

It's a trap

[somber axle]

yes

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ptsd-cat-ptsd-gif-21050869

[somber axle]

wdym I gave them the dragon music

do you wanna see?

[oblique totem]

If it isn't a trap, sure.

[somber axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odSwYJXJ1YI

[oblique totem]

If it is, sure

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/933b944295d03d905e8c0586578c0e12

I play this during matches

I have the music cut and saved to loop perfectly

[oblique totem]

I completely believe you

[somber axle]

I also used it during this testing

[sage basalt]

if u dont rock krieg standard issue consider yourself a opp

[somber axle]

I didn't have Krieg at the time I was testing Helbores before

I have it now

[oblique totem]

Guess I'm an opp then

[wild vortex]

shield is the best option for HH penance actually

[somber axle]

I still love Elysians more than Krieg but I do wear Krieg for Helbore time

[wild vortex]

infinite cleave with Bromentum

shovel and shield are equally slow but Shield's cleave lets it win out

[sage basalt]

rock the lucius helbore + sapper shovel

never served the emperor better

[oblique totem]

That just means you are well adjusted. So, congrats for that.

[somber axle]

For me my fav regiments so far are:

Elysians = Catachan >>> Kasrkin > Armadgeddon Steel Legion = Krieg

I love Elysians and Catachan so, so much

[oblique totem]

Nice try, making math look like something I like

[somber axle]

It's part of skitarii brain

think only in math to be analyzed for use

[oblique totem]

Ork Hunters are up there for me

[somber axle]

I know of others like Vostroyans, Tanith, Scions, etc. but I don't rank them among my favs

they should make a silly Scintillan Fusilier cosmetic for Darktide though

[oblique totem]

Let's see...
My favorite imperial guard regiment are the Savlar Chem dogs, followed by armageddon stell legion and Ork Hunters, followed by Valhallan Ice warriors.

[midnight totem]

I need suggestions for a blitz a tech priest might use

Or an ability

[wild vortex]

Servo Assault - launch a swarm of weaponized servo skulls

Can have them do micro explosions or targeted weakspot attacks against a set number of enemies

[somber axle]

Weapons Malfunction: All Ranged Enemies within an area are considered suppressed for 5 seconds. Non-Elite shooters have their weapons disabled for an additional 5 seconds after the suppression ends and move into melee instead.

[wild vortex]

Ability could be uhh let's see

[somber axle]

Sabotage enemy weaponry

[midnight totem]

I like it

[wild vortex]

Mechanized Warfare - Every X seconds your robotic appendages mimic your most recent attack, using all the resp. blessings / buffs. One node to make it ranged only, one to make it melee only, one to reduce the cooldown between usage

[midnight totem]

My Tech Adept character would feature a custom "backpack" with a mechanical "arm" coming out of it. The arm features two bits on it that are visually different according to which blitz and ability the Tech Adept has. Maybe even a specific color glow according to what aura the character has too

[wild vortex]

Omnissiah's Blessings - buff you and nearby allies with +X% damage, reload speed, attack speed, and boost all sources of their toughness regen by 200% for Y seconds. One node to give another charge, another node to add enemy suppression but increase cooldown

[somber axle]

Maybe an ability that turns the arm into a passively attacking melee weapon that strikes in wide but slow swiping strikes against nearby enemies

Defensive Protocol

[junior needle]

The most obvious approach would be doing something similar to the necromancer from darktide where you could summon a servitor or some servo skulls (with ranged weapons) as bodyguards

Which is also what I'd be wanting the most out of a tech priest class

[hallow parrot]

tfw a random node on a branch is more useful than the keystone skill

(talking shock trooper and marksman's focus here)

[thorn plinth]

this was my first thought as well, mix it with the other idea of summoning servo skulls "super" to shoot at range

put in an aura that automatically picks up crafting materials from enemies and those you can normally pick up,,,,,, always in need of plasteel xD

[frank basin]

should veteran possessing this weapon?

[thorn plinth]

5th element,,, good one

[frank basin]

check this out then

[thorn plinth]

oh yesus xD

[jade nova]

i got u

[quiet valley]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzspyre-vermintide-good-job-agree-nice-gif-1139381228915600381

https://tenor.com/view/victor-saltzpyre-waiting-eating-chips-gif-3992659431153758708

[hallow parrot]

I'm super tempted to give infiltrate a try

but I know I'm going to be absolute trash with it

[rigid pilot]

Idk if you can be bad with an ability that does nothing

[quiet valley]

still better then volly fire

[rigid pilot]

Perhaps

[hallow parrot]

man we were just running heresy with some people in here (which I'm far from leveled for)

[rigid pilot]

It's great for objectives

[hallow parrot]

and the amount of mega clutches vets and zealots pulled with their respective stealth abilities was dummy

objectives and revives yeah

[somber axle]

Just remember you can underhand throw shredder frag grenades without breaking stealth

You can drop 2 grenades while invisible and clear a room safely

and still have stealth duration to begin reviving a team mate

[hallow parrot]

damn

if you had to drop one of the focus down modifiers

which one would you drop?

[last parcel]

drop my nuts past your lips

[hallow parrot]

dayumm

I've been had

[gaunt hare]

does the on overwatch cheese with jumping off a ledge still work?

I have been trying for this penance for ages but just can’t get it and I’m tempted to cheese it

[junior needle]

It might but it would require your team to go through the mission without you

[gaunt hare]

yea i understand

I’m gonna try to grab a squad of good players

[junior needle]

Quitting definitely does not work, and you can't join a mission partway through

Has to be from the countdown screen

[gaunt hare]

i see

[keen sedge]

dear god...

[frank monolith]

Its 3 cdr (4) 3 stam 2 block 1 sprint block for spicy cases where you need to hold block to tany a few hits when trying to get to a safe spot in a clutch situations

[gaunt hare]

hey how do I make myself fall off a ledge, I tried to jump off intentionally and my character grabbed on

[sturdy zephyr]

Thats odd question. Or is it a penance or somethingn

?

[gaunt hare]

for on overwatch I’m trying to cheese it

[sturdy zephyr]

Oh my mistake sorry

[gaunt hare]

yea

do you know how to actually make yourself fall off a ledge without grabbing it?

[white minnow]

i don't know if that still works nowadays but you can go off a ledge without grabbing it as long as you're far enough away from the edge

there's basically a plane near ledges that will make you autograb onto ledges when you pass through it, so you just have to have enough distance to fall off w/o touching that plane

[gaunt hare]

how do I ensure that, I’ve tried running off a few and vaulting over one

[white minnow]

dodging off a railing with knife should work

[gaunt hare]

ah

[white minnow]

and there being easier spots on some maps to do this

[gaunt hare]

which maps should I look for easily falling off at the beginning

[white minnow]

i can think of vigil station oblivium for now

well logistratum, habdreyko, pmatrix, smelter complex, etc, have starting areas near pits

[gaunt hare]

alr

I’m gonna need to assemble a team lol

[rigid pilot]

I think twins mission counts too

Take the shortcut and easy game

[gaunt hare]

shortcut?

[dire olive]

Hard mode?

[gaunt hare]

they have a hard mode? I've only beaten them in like malice once

[sturdy zephyr]

Light the candle and ring the bell

Is it suppost to be easier?

[tropic imp]

You can just tell your team not to pick you up

And you'll fall off the ledge after a couple seconds

[rigid pilot]

There's the non hard mode shortcut

[gaunt hare]

how many exactly /gen

also thanks

[tropic imp]

Dont know exactly, but around like 20 seconds

[rigid pilot]

That doesn't work anymore afaik

[gaunt hare]

hm?

[rigid pilot]

Ledging

[gaunt hare]

oh

[rigid pilot]

Or nvm

I'm confused

[gaunt hare]

nbm?

huh

[rigid pilot]

Ignore me carry on

[gaunt hare]

ah

[clear narwhal]

workable?

[rocky jacinth]

yeah

keep crit keep uncanny, maybe somebody has a case for keeping infested but that's what I'd do

[tame lodge]

Considering that you'll dodge quite often and proc Precog during hordes, infested is not necessary

[agile forge]

I feel like you probably wanna keep the blessings and change the perks

but I might be wrong

don't know much about veteran knives apart from 6 being generally better and mercy killer actually being takable due to serrated blades

[bitter turtle]

Swap perks

Precog is fine

If you really hate it

You can keep crit chance ig

Pretty crappy perk though

[tired monolith]

I have a similar situation

[bitter turtle]

Lacerate to uncanny

Then unyielding to something else imo

And it's a good knife

[tired monolith]

i've had a few tell me replace both blessings

and go precog/ uncanny

[bitter turtle]

Mercykiller is fine as long as you are willing to take serrated blades

Personally I'd just swap the unyielding perk but mostly bc I think unyielding is just OK on knife

[bitter turtle]

Wait is this a zealot knife?

I saw you post this in zel chat now earlier

Swap both if zealot knife

[tired monolith]

Yes okay, thought I’d just check here too

[bitter turtle]

Zealot can't mercy killer since scourge is not a reliable bleed source

[clear narwhal]

how is the crit on dodge blessing?

[bitter turtle]

also good

i like flesh tearer

#veteran-class message

fill sin breakpoints nicely

but there's a lot of viable options

i suggest to test and see what you like

[sturdy zephyr]

Wow so this one maybe you can 2shot crusher

[austere pine]

how is it that when i don't have enough time to play a lot of games i play with people who've never in their lives played, for example, investigation

we didn't even get to the tree on hab dreyko

we failed miserably just before the big long room

[hoary horizon]

ow

[north raptor]

if i wre to get this, id have to stick with the blessings to fix the perks. would that be a disaster without rampage or something

i have no experience with the catachan sword on vet

[agile forge]

Numbers cat says that Rampage is a must but idk how strict that "must" is

[hearty panther]

you could go without but rampage being a power blessing makes it a big add

[austere pine]

this was 1 game

easier than voc actually

[hoary horizon]

love it

[austere pine]

it sucks genuinely

nothing this can do that fury or voc can't do but better

[hoary horizon]

stun horde and buys time for team

[north raptor]

i mean if you want to buff your team while staying a zealot? i get the argument tho. voc doesnt turn off your dps

[austere pine]

sure, you can perma stun enemies for as long as you're channeling, but channeling 1. removes you from the damage capacity of the team, therefore you're expecting the team to deal more damage in 3 people while enemies are getting staggered than the team would with you as another damage dealer (which if you're expecting, you're doing your build wrong)

and 2. the stagger animation makes it a lot harder to predict enemies, making, say, headshots tougher to do, therefore reducing the damage capacity of people who are trying to shoot precisely

it's not bad but why would i remove myself when i have the ego of a semi truck owner and i can actuall dish out as much as i expect to

[hoary horizon]

you think numbers, not in battle stuff, sure you lower number BUT. you can make damage number go up

[austere pine]

that's if you take the talent for it but it gives 20% after uninterrupted 5 pulses

[north raptor]

the headshot argument is kinda weird. ive heard people argue against smite, against ogryn shield, against any sort of knockdown, bc it reduces headhots tbh

its like if u can do headshots surely u can do it while your team is playing the game

[austere pine]

which i'm not sure is either worth it or efficient

it's not as bad of a problem for smite or ogryn shield becuase you're not wasting your ult for those

"wasting" is a strong word here but you get what i mean

[hoary horizon]

true

but hope

[north raptor]

i do

[hoary horizon]

sure Ulgo agree with you

but only 1 detail

[austere pine]

ogryn shield is still dealing damage, hammer on zealot is dealing damage, smite is just a blitz

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo like to push monster off platform

[agile forge]

100 gold toughness is a lot

And the stagger can set you up for a swing if you have something like a evis 15

Also the stagger works really nicely with fire bombs

[hearty panther]

the thing is that the quantity is kinda irrelevant

[noble stag]

have i been blessed?

[agile forge]

Basically though, yeah, it's weaker overall than fotf

But who cares

[hearty panther]

any amount of gold toughness is a lot

[agile forge]

It's still good enough to make an impact

[hoary horizon]

COWBOY GUN!

[noble stag]

yes

[agile forge]

If you enjoy using it or need the penance, just use it

[hearty panther]

trickshooter is a meme

[agile forge]

None of the F skills are so weak that taking it is arguably throwing, besides maybe ex stance

And ex stance feels nice anyway so idgaf tbh

Looking forward to its buff though

[vague smelt]

Which axe is the best for Veteran

[hoary horizon]

ulgo like the one with the big blade

heavy one

atrox a fink

not the smalluns

[agile forge]

Rashad best if you can build it

[midnight totem]

Antax

[agile forge]

Antax slightly easier to build

Achlys is for weirdos

Tac axes are for weirdos

[hoary horizon]

Antax the big one yes?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[agile forge]

Chain axes are for heretical weirdos

[austere pine]

antax is the heavy one

[hoary horizon]

yes Antax a luve

[austere pine]

but achlys cooler

[midnight totem]

Though people say Rashad is better

[hoary horizon]

build?

[austere pine]

rashad is so much better

faster from the get-go and also have finesse

[midnight totem]

Why is achlys wierd?

[austere pine]

making attack speed and weak spot attacks even better

[austere pine]

need to h1 spam for it to be effective

[agile forge]

Achlys just flat out doesn't cleave

And rashad needs a basically perfect roll

And Flak unarmoured headtaker BM

If you miss any of that it won't horde clear well

[austere pine]

headtaker and bm aren't the worst blessings to roll for

[hoary horizon]

Hope you is very big on numbers

[agile forge]

You have a lot of different possible rolls too

[austere pine]

very much am not

[hoary horizon]

no it good thing!

[agile forge]

I still don't have a workable rashad

[hoary horizon]

means very smart

[austere pine]

HOHOHOOHOHOOOOOOO

ACHLYS SUCKSSSSS

[terse idol]

(Imo you could get away with just unarmoured)

[austere pine]

THE ONLY CLEAVING ATTACK IT HAS IS THE BASH ATTACK

THERE'S NO WYA

[midnight totem]

Personally, i just don't like axes

[austere pine]

FUCKALL RANGE, TOO

THERE'S NO WAY THIS GOT THROUGH TESTING

[midnight totem]

The only axe I liked using

Is the Dane axe from For Honor

[agile forge]

I liked axes while I was levelling

but overplayed for me mow

[hoary horizon]

no Dane Axe from Chivalry!

[agile forge]

now

[hoary horizon]

luved it

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/for-honor-raider-dance-gif-7128268165762300834

That's only because

[austere pine]

disgusting. go sit in a corner

cring-ass weapon

fast as shit, more range than a greatsword and the only downside is that it deals less damage

[hoary horizon]

you think Ulgo use it? no loved model! Ulgo Agatha knight with longsword!

[austere pine]

which doens't fucking matter because it's an axe and deals more damage to knights and footmen

ah, we can't speak then

mason vanguard with two short swords

nah, short sword hatchet actually

i forgor 💀

[midnight totem]

I guess I uses an axe as bardin too

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo always Honorable in fights... used to be top of board too

[languid spade]

Hi guys, does anyone else use guns here?

I assume so, since you're all veterans

[pseudo fiber]

on occasion

[languid spade]

What do you guys even talk about in this channel?

[elder fiber]

Lacerate blessing

[languid spade]

Like, all we do is just point and click

[pseudo fiber]

the class a good amount honestly

if you don't want to do that then you should read zealot chat

[languid spade]

Is this the home of all the theory crafting for veterans?

[pseudo fiber]

yep

[rigid pilot]

melee vet is more fun than zealot

[languid spade]

What's to theory craft, all you do is pick plasma gun and win

[rigid pilot]

peegun

[elder fiber]

Some of us are bored of pgun

[languid spade]

Go with plasma gun and some semi decent melee weapon and zzzz to victory

[pseudo fiber]

You can but there's also discussions about lots of melee weapons

[rigid pilot]

turns out you can choose to play other loadouts

[pseudo fiber]

mainly... mainly knife we talk about the knife a lot

[white minnow]

human free will was a mistake
give everyone hammerblow skullscrusher dclaws

[pseudo fiber]

get to work rejects

[rigid pilot]

recon lasguns with terrifying barrage

we are larping out of atoma with this one

[languid spade]

How about we discuss how what makes guns good in this game is cleave

Which isn't a good word for what cleave does, seeing as how cleaving is just penetration, but penetration is it's own stat

[white minnow]

it's terminology inherited from melee weapons and seems consistent to me

[languid spade]

But really, what makes zarona so good is armor pen and cleave

[white minnow]

i'd rather have a singular term for it

(and bullet magnetism)

[languid spade]

That's cool, they should have picked a better word imo I=

[white minnow]

revolver essentially having killing floor 2 esque hitboxes compared to everything else besides plasma

[languid spade]

Can we talk about how the biggest nerf to veteran DPS is having an ogryn in front of you?

But you need not care about that with zarona or plasma

Which is what makes them so juicy good

[tall torrent]

Don’t we all love getting punished by our own teammates

[pseudo fiber]

agripinaa brauto helps

[frank ocean]

I almost wish Ogryns had a talent in their tree that let you shoot through them lol

[gilded wraith]

Bring back the skinny Ogryn.

[tall torrent]

Should either buff almost all ranged weapons to 2.1 cleave or reduce teammate hitmass from 2 to 1

[terse idol]

Just uhhh

Let them be in front

[dreamy spade]

Gotta love magdumping into a fatass ogyrn

[terse idol]

Guys if you're mag dumping into an ogryn it's a you problem

😌

[rigid pilot]

If an ogryn is there, they can handle it, shoot something else

[terse idol]

Yeah

Like

If he's in front of you

[faint beacon]

I will mag dump my headhunter into the Ogryns head till he moves you will not stop me

[terse idol]

All the problems are in frnt of that Ogryn

And not at you

Just reposition or let the Ogryn like take enough damage so that they'll move back

Insert: PVE TEAM COOP GAME.JPG

[faint beacon]

Honestly when they walk in front of me sniping gunners it’s annoying yes but it’s more of a mild annoyance than really anything, just cause again step to the side and also he’s basically being your meat shield so like lmao

[languid spade]

They can't block your shots if you're using a zarona or plasma, just saying

Hence, cleave superiority

[faint beacon]

I feel icky using those

[terse idol]

Can't use meta forever

[last parcel]

that’s why i use recon 7a

[agile forge]

AIAG works too iirc

Picking CIAG is my "all ogryn game" button

[faint beacon]

I tend to use the GIAG but I’ll use AIAG for the extra cleave and damage when I want something slower firing

I don’t really use CIAG on Veteran anymore

[tame lodge]

Helbore still winning

[serene bough]

Shoot over ogryns

Stand on boxes

Or, just sit on their shoulders

[sturdy zephyr]

I hide behind them while reloading.

[tall torrent]

9/10 times as you try to step to the side to regain line of sight the ogryn strafes in the same direction as u and continues to block all ur shots

[faint beacon]

One must imagine veteran happy

[tall torrent]

I’m starting to believe in sprint efficiency

Example: Rashad
If u build +15% sprint efficiency on all 3 curios, you can go like 58m full sprint

Without any +stam curios

[faint beacon]

Well that and it gives you more push and block amounts

[tall torrent]

If u take this 2 steps further and take both vanguard (20%) and 20% sprint efficiency perk on the Rashad

You can go

212m+

With just 6 stamina

Full sprint

[faint beacon]

I might try that out sometime just to see how stupid it is, cause I assume it would be dumb if you’re actually pushing and blocking in combat

[somber axle]

What if you get all stamina curios too

[tall torrent]

The main benefit is that you’re basically never out of stamina from sprint

[faint beacon]

Stripped down on primary also

[tall torrent]

Math works like this

Take +1 stamina from talent tree (Rashad gets 6 stam)
Rashad with high mobility roll is ~5.4m/s when sprinting with stamina, and uses 1 stam/s in sprint

With triple 15% sprint efficiency on curios:
6/(1-0.15x3) = 6/0.55 = 10.91s
10.91 x5.4 = 58.9m

With triple 15% sprint efficiency on curios, vanguard and 20% sprint efficiency on Rashad itself:
6/(1-0.15x3-0.2x2) = 6/0.15 = 40s
40 x5.4 = 216m

If you want to push this to the absolute limit on Rashad with triple +3 stam curios (this is meme build territory):
(6+3x3)/0.15 = 100s
100 x5.4 = 540m

And this is pure sprint, not using slide to conserve stamina

With slide you can prob go way further

[tame lodge]

No way, Speedrun vet but they have a good melee weapon

[midnight totem]

You know

I haven't seen an ogryn true solo

[languid spade]

True.

Imagine running shredder auto pistol in a group with 3 ogryns.

[somber axle]

depending on the location I usually just leave the Ogryn to cover that flank and check another sight line LOL

Ogryn is covering that spot, no need to put shots down that direction

save ammo by letting the big guy go to town

and there's always something approaching from another direction

[elder fiber]

the real tech is to bodyblock the glugger after they ult

let em see that applebottom

[bitter turtle]

watch

as them "going to town" is sittung with shield planted and doing nothing

[tall torrent]

Ogryn weapons have high enough cleave to not care about being bodyblocked

[bitter turtle]

i had an ogryn today that did 60k damage in AM

and they were there from the start

yes 60k

i didnt forget a 0

[somber axle]

What's the list of all guns the Vet has with enough cleave to shoot through a single Ogryn player anyway?

[bitter turtle]

it was kind of impressive actually

[somber axle]

Helbores, Revolvers, Plasma, Boltgun...

[hearty panther]

its not many

[somber axle]

Does Agripina Braced Autogun have enough cleave to go through an Ogryn?

[elder fiber]

yes

[somber axle]

That's like 8 guns so far

[bitter turtle]

iirc all playesr is 1 hitmass

ogryn dont have more thankfully

[elder fiber]

also the newer revolver doesn't go thru ogryns I'm p sure lmao

[bitter turtle]

it does not

[somber axle]

It doesn't?

[bitter turtle]

no cleave on it

nop

[somber axle]

OH

AGRIPINA SHOTGUN SLUGS

they do not care

doesn't apply to normal shots afaik

[tame lodge]

If it had cleave, it would probably compete with the Zarona
Zarona still winning

[somber axle]

but still

Recon Mk VIIa has some cleave but idk if it's enough to shoot through Ogryns

[elder fiber]

they should let players bodyblock gg and rumbler shots imo

it just needs minimum cleave so yes

or I mean like any cleave

[tall torrent]

Helbore (all 3)
Recon 7a
Agripinaa IAG
Agripinaa BAG
Zarona revolver
Plasma
Boltgun
Lawbringer (special)
Agripinaa shotgun (special)
Kantrael shogun (special)

[bitter turtle]

yes

it is

[somber axle]

NEAT

Also I got my first 550 weapon today

sadness is seeing it's an autogun and not a recon

one day I'll build the perfect 550 Recon Mk VId

[bitter turtle]

what was the other blessing for you to have picked to keep terrifying barrage 🤔

[hearty panther]

i dont have any perfect 550s

3k hours

[bitter turtle]

same

[hearty panther]

its not worth bothering man

[bitter turtle]

well, 1.5k hjours

[somber axle]

Fire Frenzy II. I know it would've been been better to keep Fire Frenzy II and instead swap Terrifying Barrage to Dum Dum IV but I decided to be silly and just swap it to Dum Dum IV to get a 550 weapon for shiny clown hours

[bitter turtle]

well

that's pretty tragic either way

[somber axle]

it's not perfect because I'd rather have Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy but it's 550 and I don't use autoguns anyway LOL

[bitter turtle]

keeping a 2 blessing tanks the rating

lel

[somber axle]

I use the Headhunter Autoguns sometimes

They're fun

Braced and Infantry Autoguns put me to sleep

[elder fiber]

its okay everybody is gonna be terrified of your barrages

[somber axle]

Fear the clown