veteran-class

[untold pagoda]

maybe

[hidden torrent]

If yes, then yes it's sodomy

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-pope-huh-smh-gif-8064853

[untold pagoda]

but xenos arent real men isnt it

[hidden torrent]

Also my name is now Xeno

[untold pagoda]

therefore they are animal

and if u fuck xeno that mean u fuck animal

[hidden torrent]

Dog

Idk what to tell you

If humans aren't animals

What are we insects

Fungus

[untold pagoda]

i meant that sound like sodomy to me tbh

[hidden torrent]

Vegetal

[near sable]

props to you for trying to make sense of the ecclesiarchies nonsense spanning ten thousand years

[hidden torrent]

If you put a cucumber in your ass it's still sodomy

[untold pagoda]

hmm then having sex is an act of sodomy

[hidden torrent]

That's a plant

[near sable]

plant sodomy

[untold pagoda]

then we must denounce sex

[hidden torrent]

The real question should be

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/memri-gif-20731147

[hidden torrent]

The real question is

[midnight totem]

500000th kill

GET

[hidden torrent]

You can say sodomy but not the verb version of sodomy

What is this nonsense

[untold pagoda]

man they dont even let me say sodomaight

what the heck karkshark

[hidden torrent]

Can I say anal

Yes

Nice

[untold pagoda]

lmao

[near sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874272454917361704/960806947026776094/BD8A582B-ACB0-401F-915A-DBF1B761955B.gif

[untold pagoda]

but somehow sodomaight is banned

[hidden torrent]

Analight

[near sable]

the previously mentioned word that cannot be said, can be used derisively

[hidden torrent]

"What is your favorite color"

"Blue"

[untold pagoda]

then u are a ultramarines fan

real

[hidden torrent]

Negative

Monty Python fan

[untold pagoda]

based

tis but a wound

[hidden torrent]

Based on what

[untold pagoda]

i-i

dont know

[cursive ice]

i dont remember what game/video this is from but i used this video when i was playing Warhammer: Age of Reckoning

[near sable]

Mark Of Chaos

[hidden torrent]

Spoken like a true emotional support twink

[cursive ice]

gotcha yeah

[untold pagoda]

what the fuck

[hidden torrent]

LMAO

[near sable]

Z E A L O T C H A T

[untold pagoda]

sodomaight these day

[cursive ice]

the Darkness Rising campaign for WH Fantasy was goated. Archaon was so well written in the beginning

[untold pagoda]

the like of you must be granted emperor mercy

[hidden torrent]

Nothing has ever been in my butt except for medicine that one time I was constipated for 3 weeks

Bad story

Not fun

[untold pagoda]

nothing in mine either

[hidden torrent]

Fake

[untold pagoda]

since i pray to emperor every day

[near sable]

fake and untrue

https://tenor.com/view/total-war-total-war-shogun-2-shogun-2-attack-samurai-gif-1466006964469203028

[hidden torrent]

Very untrue

[untold pagoda]

real as the emperor golden throne u heretic

[hidden torrent]

You have an anime profile picture, everything in arms reach has been in your butt

It's be honest

[untold pagoda]

it not even anime

[hidden torrent]

Is it animated

[untold pagoda]

reeeee

[hidden torrent]

Looks like someone drew a cartoon to me

[untold pagoda]

well yes it from a game so yea

[hidden torrent]

The dark comes to light

[untold pagoda]

but have any1 ever told you dont judge a book by it cover?

[hidden torrent]

No

Never

[untold pagoda]

sure i could have that as my profile pic but im not a degenerate

reeeeeeeeee

[hidden torrent]

You usually buy books based on both covers actually

That's why it exists, never understood that phrase

[untold pagoda]

what the emperor does that even mean

[near sable]

"but im not a degenerate"

a tale as old as time, heretic

[hidden torrent]

When you buy a book, you look at the cover, the summary, see if you'd enjoy it

[untold pagoda]

i have my sins but it definitely not anything revolving around slanneshi stuff

[bitter turtle]

The cover exists to try to tempt you into buying it based on the cover, the saying is there to warn you against buying a book just because they drew pretty pictures on it

[untold pagoda]

and oh i repent for my sins every day

[hidden torrent]

I've never looked at a book and been like, this looks terrible let me buy it

[untold pagoda]

u guys didnt even bother

u xeno fuckers going to the warp for this

[hidden torrent]

Fake

Warp doesn't exist

Neither do chaos gods

Only true emperor worshippers know that

[bitter turtle]

The saying is as relevant as ever in some circles just because a popular artist can move bad books just because of the reputation of the artist pulling in interest

[untold pagoda]

a whiteshield am i seeing gentlement?

[hidden torrent]

Saint George's Cross

[sleek garden]

does anyone use the blue lasgun here

Forgot which mark

[untold pagoda]

yes

plasma

[hidden torrent]

No

Las guns don't exist here

Only plasma

[sleek garden]

boring

[bitter scroll]

did I miss an update or something, Chainsword now can stagger Ragers?

[sleek garden]

that's always been a thing

[cursive ice]

GAMERS

i appreciate all the help this morning.

[sleek garden]

are you talking about non revved attacks

[cursive ice]

i have a focus and direction for my build and thats a huge relief

[bitter scroll]

yeah, im talking about light attack

[sleek garden]

are you using hammerblow or trauma or something

[tame lodge]

Sometimes it shoots twice with one click

[sleek garden]

Keep in mind rager stagger resistance is mainly a thing during their attack

[tall torrent]

In psykanium or in actual game when they’re doing combo

[sleek garden]

Before that you can do normal stagger

[white minnow]

scab rager or dreg rager or both?
since scab ragers have noticeably less stagger res than dreg

[bitter scroll]

Im in psykanium atm but I remember they never got staggered even there in the past. I just came back to this game after 4 months

[sleek garden]

I wonder why scab ragers seem kinda nerfed

[sleek garden]

what difficulty

[bitter scroll]

damnation

[tall torrent]

When they’re not in combo, they don’t have as high stagger resist

[sleek garden]

What he said

in game this usually happens when they're running towards you

you want to hit them before they start

Alternatively many weapons have a stagger setup special

Like the shovel stab/most axes/revved attacks

[untold pagoda]

tactical axe mog everything else

just use tactical axe

it light

it mobile

it can do massive dmg with right build

to flak and non armor of course

[tame lodge]

[sleek garden]

I use a catachan sword for everything

[untold pagoda]

catachan is a bit lacking in dmg tbh

[sleek garden]

That's fine

[midnight totem]

I use my fist for everything... and whatever weapon it's holding

[sleek garden]

It does moderate damage to 10 people at once

[untold pagoda]

yea it cool and all but i dont like it when it too 3 hit to kill a dreg

[sleek garden]

Or high single target

[gilded wraith]

Does this look like a solid craft? Anything you'd change?

[untold pagoda]

brutal momentum

always

[sleek garden]

On a tac axe?

What

[untold pagoda]

push attack and heavy attack chain

spam

yea it pretty good if u spam the push attack and heavy attack

incredibly good horde clearing

like extremely good

[gilded wraith]

I'll play around with that some in the psyk

Which blessing woud you give up for it?

[untold pagoda]

shred

tbh

to be fair i dont know really

shred and headtaker both are good

i just prefer headtake

all u literally need to do with it is push attack

heavy attack

repeat in that order

[hidden torrent]

I only play sedition

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is one of the lower dmg melee options now

[tall torrent]

It’s decent but not in the top ranks

[untold pagoda]

yea for taking out specialist enemies like dog and flak gunner and rager tactical axe simply excel with brutal momentum

just aim for the head and it only took a push attack then heavy chain to kill

it pretty fast

but it definitely doesnt have the ability to push attack light attack a crusher

which is why it is a mid

[tall torrent]

Idk what u mean by excel because it’s behind a lot of weapons in that area

[untold pagoda]

it is very good when u fighting a mixed horde i meant

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t do enough dmg to activate BM for bruisers even

[untold pagoda]

it just the fact that it useless when doing anything against shield and carapace

[tall torrent]

Not rly it’s not that great vs bruiser hordes

It doesn’t kill ragers that fast

[untold pagoda]

yea definitely

yea but u can dance around em and make em a breeze to fight with

it doesnt definitely but when fighting rager in horde that brutal momentum is gonna make quick work of em

but tbh tact axe on zealot is just meh

but on veteran yea it pretty good since if u have to fight shield and carapace all u need is frag nade and plasma

[tall torrent]

You do understand that BM got changed right

[untold pagoda]

yea it did but it doesnt matter like at all with the tactical axe

[tall torrent]

It mattered a lot tho

[untold pagoda]

for some reason i feel like the change didnt affect it as much as other axe

[tall torrent]

Tac axe simply doesn’t do enough dmg to use BM vs higher health enemies

You just have low cleave & low dmg

[untold pagoda]

u gotta give it a try to see man

[tall torrent]

Pls go check if u can 1 shot bruisers with tac axe

[untold pagoda]

well duh u cant not

[tall torrent]

Because the way BM works rn is

If you cannot 1 tap weakspot

It’s nowhere as good

[untold pagoda]

but the point is tact axe attack speed is fast enough to kill it

it definite cant 1 shot thing but does it matter when can throw 2 heavy attack in 1 second?

it nowhere as good as something like the power sword

but with brutal momentum even after nerf it feel a bit better than chainsword tbh

[tall torrent]

Ur not gonna believe this but in this game, killing things in 1 hit with slower atk speed is generally better than killing things in 2~3 hits with higher atk speed

Rashad kills 4 bruisers per swing

Tac axe kills 1 bruiser every 2 heavy atks

It’s nowhere comparable

[untold pagoda]

real?

i havent try rashad for a while but yea

[tall torrent]

The way BM works rn is, you have to build for 1 tap weakspot breakpoint

Which tac axes simply don’t have enough dmg for most of the time

[untold pagoda]

i see

[tall torrent]

Tac axes are just outclassed rn

[untold pagoda]

oh that is definitely so

[lunar zinc]

Which perks are best on the Rashad?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak/carapace

[lunar zinc]

hmm thank you

[cursive ice]

Thoughts on the Mk V Autogun?

[twin ingot]

S tier when you get the DumDum blessing

[cursive ice]

wats that

and what is it without the dum dum blessing

[full nacelle]

The columnus is by and far one of the best guns in the game... Maybe THE best

the infantry autogun version

dum dum is great... gives more close range damage on repeated hits

and "close range" is pretty generous

[elder fiber]

Its also just a really good gun

[full nacelle]

yeah you can really make it work with any blessings, it's just that good

but dumdum is the best

[untold pagoda]

pre fucked autopistol

[full nacelle]

autopistol got gaped

[wanton dawn]

Oh, i reached the 25m

[north raptor]

spend it dont be like me

[wanton dawn]

On what ?

[crude fiber]

Was auto pistol ever directly nerfee or was it just the pinning fire nuke

[north raptor]

on other classes idk

[wanton dawn]

That would imply interaction with the craft system

[white minnow]

pinning fire nerf + enemy buffs + other weapons actually becoming good

[crude fiber]

Buy literally all the docket cosmetics like I did

[wanton dawn]

I have them all

[crude fiber]

Including the ugly pointless armors? 🤨

[wanton dawn]

yup

[north raptor]

sit upon your golden throne i guess

[wanton dawn]

Pretty much

[north raptor]

make sassy screenshots of it

[crude fiber]

Is that the cap?

[wanton dawn]

yup

[crude fiber]

Lol why would they cap the resources

Every new thing I learn about this game is so shitty

[wanton dawn]

guess ill have to play other class now

[crude fiber]

Is 25m the cap for the other resources as well or is it lower?

[wanton dawn]

lower

i think it is 150k for milk coin ?

not sure

[midnight totem]

Oh nice

I supposed there was a cap somewhere

Good to know the actual number

[foggy wadi]

What perks and blessing are best for the V autogun. I see dum dum and what else?

[north raptor]

say some exploit is found and a player gets 50 quadrillion dockets and crashes the server

thats my lay person understanding of why games often have caps

[wanton dawn]

I would say: "get to 64 bit int you scrub"

Though I think you need 128 for quadrillion. Idk

[north raptor]

i dont know what that means

[wanton dawn]

Well, according to wiki, 64 seems to be enough for english

[north raptor]

there might be guidance in the pins i dunno

[wanton dawn]

It is some kind of programmer joke

[north raptor]

weapon breakdowns

[wanton dawn]

The standard numerical limit is about 2-4 billions on modern computer

[north raptor]

is V the columnus infantry autogun? i see fire frenzy and deathspitter a lot along aith dum

[wanton dawn]

If you go for the non default, you can raise to 10^18

[north raptor]

and you want flak always on almost everything

[wanton dawn]

Also, error with numerical limit is a pretty common programming mistake

[foggy wadi]

I was thinking the same thing. looks like Frenzy is the better pick. About about the mods? Flak and elite?

[north raptor]

do flak

[wanton dawn]

Yah sure

[north raptor]

but you can change it later even

you can always change out the nodes youve changed

the mods are called perks btw in common language

[foggy wadi]

is unarmored any good? only asking because of how the "lucky rolls" go when making a weapon.

[elder fiber]

Its not bad, way better than a lot of shit you can roll

and some guns/weapons want it along with flak

[foggy wadi]

you think unarmored 4 and flak 4 is a good combo?

here is what im looking at.

i was thinking. leave unarmored and make flak 25%? ( i could leave this be) and change the blessing to 4 frenzy and dum dum

is sustained fire worth it or nah?

[elder fiber]

not over other options

also deathspitter stacks 5 times iirc, the tooltip lies so you could leave that and swap unarmoured for maniac

[foggy wadi]

ive never understood changing to maniac. on all levels of diffculty i kill them with little to no issue.

[elder fiber]

+elites also an options, maniac is for killing problematic specialists asap but mkv can still do that p well without the perk

on some guns it can get a bit tedious without it

[foggy wadi]

hmm. but which do i change out. I think deathspiiter 3 can stay. its only a .5 increase. So maybe get get dum dum and elite?

[somber axle]

Depends on the gun because like the Mk II Helbore has an important breakpoint with +Maniac damage perk that lets it get 1HKO

Without Maniac you need 2 headshots to kill a Flamer

that's not even looking at how many shots you need to kill a Mutie with and without Maniac for that gun too

but generally it's not that good for most weapons

[foggy wadi]

you use bullets on those >_>

[somber axle]

Yes

I shoot Flamers and Muties regularly

It's extra funny if they die mid-charge and rag doll slide at you

Even funnier if they were through a pox cloud charging at light speed so the ragdoll goes WILD

[foggy wadi]

i mean muties but flamers or ( specials, right? ) i kill them ver quickly with out that perk

[somber axle]

Yeah most guns can kill Flamers fine

It's a niche perk that you don't really want on every weapon

[foggy wadi]

well, is unarmored even worth it?

[somber axle]

If it helps with breakpoints then it becomes important

Yes, weirdly enough, for the Helbore Mk II as an example LOL

It helps hit the Dreg Gunner 1HKO breakpoint on headshots

[foggy wadi]

im using the columnus V auto

[somber axle]

otherwise you'll need a crit on every headshot to kill in 1 attack

Columnus Infantry Autogun is like

you could literally run a grey version of the gun with subpar stats and still kill very effectively with it

[foggy wadi]

i heard it was "S tier" ( a few scrolls up )

[somber axle]

I've seen a group of people run Auric Maelstrom with grey items only and one of the guys who did it used a grey Columnus Infantry Autogun for the challenge

It's probably THE best gun in the game

Revolver, Plasma and Columnus Infantry Autogun are all top tier weapons and the BEST gun varies depending on who you ask

[foggy wadi]

aight. if you scroll up to my image post. what do you think is the best option atm with that gun?

[somber axle]

You can literally spray a Crusher's head with a good Columnus Infantry Autogun and kill it fast

[foggy wadi]

flak 20 to 25 and sustained to dum dum?

[somber axle]

Swap Sustained Fire to Dum Dum for sure because Sustained Fire is really bad as a blessing but even rank III Deathspitter is fine
Swap Unarmoured to Elite and you're good

Unarmoured isn't important on the CIAG

[foggy wadi]

CIAG?

[somber axle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun

[foggy wadi]

ah.

so gun rating really doesnt matter?

[somber axle]

Unarmoured would only help you on targets that are already very squishy when you turn the CIAG on them

[somber axle]

Base item level rating matters but gun rating doesn't

A lot of people prize getting the perfect 550 but it's just a funny number that doesn't mean anything other than a 380 with all rank 4 perks and blessings

[foggy wadi]

ah. kk

[somber axle]

Stats are calculated on a weapon based on the base ilvl

Lemme explain

[foggy wadi]

where can i see the item level?

[somber axle]

This for example

You can see the base ilvl is 378 just above stopping power

If you add all these stats together they should add up to 378

(but they do not because it's not always accurate LMFAO)

despite the interface showing 378 this is actually a 379 weapon because if you add all the values together they total up to 379

[north raptor]

its just a summary, look to the actual modifier numbers. get high damage etc

[somber axle]

The higher the base ilvl, the higher the overall stats can be

[foggy wadi]

this part i know

[somber axle]

A 300 ilvl weapon only has 300 points to spread across 5 stats

[north raptor]

if something has a 3 in damage and an 80 in mobility it is not better than an item with a 30 in damage and 30 in mobility

but its score will be higher

[somber axle]

The bigger item rating number is just a fake and dumb number that is ultimately meaningless

[full nacelle]

is there a way to track how much toughness you've restored throughout a match with the scoreboard mod?

[somber axle]

A high item rating weapon with bad stats, bad perks and bad blessings is objectively worse than a lower item rating weapon with lower rank but correct perks/blessings and proper stat allocation

[wild vortex]

why did you tell me this

now I will forever be totaling weapon stats

and getting upset when they don't add up

[somber axle]

The math in this game is smoke and mirrors

[wild vortex]

[somber axle]

Most of the time you'll find it is accurate

Sometimes it is not and it's always funny when it isn't LOL

There's a problem with the +3 stam curios too where if you get one RIGHT on the dot of the base ilvl rating being too low it actually calculates it as +2 stam instead

so despite the interface showing +3 you're only getting +2 in games

idk what the threshold is but I've read about the interaction here

and it's really, really dumb

[full nacelle]

melee tank vet actually feels so godlike

you either get oneshot or nothing kills you

[wild vortex]

oneshot quite rare too

[foggy wadi]

9/10 for my auric level title though! so close but the missions up now are cancer.

[wild vortex]

unless you literally stand around politely waiting for the Crusher to bonk you into the water table

[full nacelle]

plus you destroy everything that could potentially oneshot you

[somber axle]

3 Poxbursters who have for some reason 0 audio queues until they're in melee range wish to know your location

[full nacelle]

I run into pacts of crushers and maulers with glee

[somber axle]

They're clipping inside each other and ready

[wild vortex]

okay look, if the game AI decides that you're about to get sodomized, then that's that and you just take it

[somber axle]

The game can do that if it can catch me

[full nacelle]

this might be stupid but I feel like carrying on melee builds actually confuses the ai director

you speed through rooms so quickly I feel like it gets confused where to spawn shit

or maybe I'm just getting lucky

[somber axle]

The AI director is apparently programmed to up the difficulty on specials/elite spawns depending on how effective the players are throughout a match

So if players are not going down and consistently killing targets quickly while taking little to no damage it just keeps getting worse until the team gets overwhelmed or the AI director hits the cap of what it is allowed to throw for the difficulty you're on

[full nacelle]

maybe its just taking it easy on me since I'm new to auric damnation

[midnight totem]

The threshold is 76 rating

[somber axle]

My fav was scaring my team on my Mg1a by killing what felt like 20-30 specials and elites trying to filter out through a single spawn door all at once by just spamming that gun

[full nacelle]

like shouldn't there be more specials?

[somber axle]

Thank you I will remember this as Fallout 76 is shit and Curio 76 is too

[cursive ice]

Ok so if the Columnus autogun is S tier, then why does the pinned guides in this channel recommend the lasguns?

[full nacelle]

Old? Lasguns are fine. Every gun besides the autopistol can be recommended in some way.

[somber axle]

It's an older guide and the one who wrote it is making a version 2.0 that's more modern but honestly the Lasguns are fine and all around solid weapons

[cursive ice]

Also, are Blessings just… complete Rng? What if you get one blessing thats bis and the other is not?

[midnight totem]

You rebless at Hadron

[full nacelle]

The crafting system is ass and is getting a rework in the near future... Hadron will let you swap out 2 out of your 4 perks/blessings.

[cursive ice]

Do you have to have the blessing you want unlocked???

[full nacelle]

So pretty much you roll a weapon that has good stats 3 times, see if you have 2 out of the 4 you want. If you do, you've got a great weapon. If not, better get back to store roulette.

2 random blessings are unlocked on a fully consecrated weapon. You can take these blessings off a weapon by sacrificing them to Hadron.

[cursive ice]

Yikes

[full nacelle]

This will discard the weapon but give you the blessing

[cursive ice]

Good God

That sounds horrible

[somber axle]

The Kantrael Infantry Lasguns are very effective for putting down elites/specials and rooms of non-elite shooters quickly and ammo efficiently. Their only struggle is against armour. No ability to harm Carapace and reduced effectiveness against Flak

Helbores are just all around amazing weapons but they're awkward for a new player to pick up and learn because of the charge mechanic, awkward sights and slower firing compared to the Infantry Lasguns. A Mk III Helbore can 1HKO Crushers. A Mk II Helbore can kill Crushers in 2-3 shots with the right build and stats/perks/blessings while still firing nearly as fast as a Mg1a Kantrael Infantry Lasgun

Recons are in an awkward spot right now and for most people they're not worth using over other guns that fit the meta better. Mk II Recon is arguably one of the weakest guns in the game next to Shredder Autopistol. Mk VId can work if you're a masochist or clown. Recon VIIa is ok and feels a lot like a Kantrael Mk IV with bullet cleave

[full nacelle]

it's not great... it's a lot of RNG

having said that's you don't need to min-max weapons... The difference between a weapon with perfect 380 score and 360 score but all in the right stats is minimal

[cursive ice]

Yeah i love the la lasgun but when i got the autogun, i was able to just stand in spawn doorways and mow enemies down. I was like why is this even in the game?? Lol

[full nacelle]

and the difference between level 3 and level 4 blessings is also not very noticeable

Columnus autogun trivializes a lot of the game with how strong it is. I prefer using other weapons just for that reason.

Or use it in a subpar but fun build to make it a little more challenging

[midnight totem]

Until you run out of ammo

[full nacelle]

I've actually never run out of ammo in this game

if I run low I just focus more on melee

but it usually doesn't get to that point if you're being smart about killing trash effectively

[lilac kayak]

Ammo is more of an issue when u play auric hi shock / maelstrom

[full nacelle]

True. I've been playing some auric high shock but I've been doing it on my melee vet build

I'm running around axing shit 99% of the time

[somber axle]

This 100%

I have a 327 base ilvl Recon Mk VIIa that is better than my base ilvl 379 Recon Mk VIIa because it has better stat allocation, perks and blessings

[full nacelle]

I feel like ammo struggles are really comp dependent. I always check what other people are running in the lobby to see how much ammo I'll need to share.

[somber axle]

The difference is marginal so it doesn't matter much but it's enough that I take the 327

[wanton dawn]

Alrighty, me and azreal had 2 games to compare our version of agile vet

[somber axle]

What was the verdict?

[wanton dawn]

It's a draw imo

[full nacelle]

WELP

what were the builds?

[wraith locust]

what are the two versions im curious

[somber axle]

Sounds about right

[wanton dawn]

2s I will post what I have

[full nacelle]

it's hard to go wrong with melee vet... the toughness and crits are insane

[lilac kayak]

Me when I see gun psykers

[wanton dawn]

Game 2

[full nacelle]

Yyyep! I play gun psyker but it's really just rapier psyker

[wanton dawn]

Game 1 (I got barreled to death at a point)

need some time to set the image for build

Should be ready in about 5m

[full nacelle]

noice!

[clear narwhal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b47662d-3577-44b1-ae6e-a8eb7bfd53d3/executioners-focus-auric-maelstrom

[full nacelle]

if you're going to run that many stamina curious, I highly suggest going with a deadshot build

[clear narwhal]

deadshot with a agri ba?

I've used it before, personally I find it's more effort than it's worth

[full nacelle]

ehhh I probably wouldn't... but I wouldn't really run braced with exe stance

[clear narwhal]

It's honestly so busted

[full nacelle]

you're probably better off just dropping one for something else

another toughness or health

[clear narwhal]

I plan to record more footage soon, the video I have on the page is a little dated but almost the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXoPCNgvkE&ab_channel=CB1000X-

There's another video on my channel that's simliar but more dated than this one

[clear narwhal]

Toughness is a shout, I do that sometimes.

Usually I don't need it and prefer to have the extra breathing room that stam gives me

[wanton dawn]

Azreal style is more melee focus and run into the enemies. Mine is more hybrid focus and is more "stand your ground" for melee

In term of pure damage mine seems to be slightly ahead, but mobility wise azreal one is way quicker to get to target

[clear narwhal]

that's a mod that colours the lock and modified symbols right?

[wanton dawn]

yes

[clear narwhal]

what's the name?

[wanton dawn]

Modify Icon Color me think

My conclusion: pick your poison

@formal lake --> full build here#veteran-class message

Same, but since you asked for the curio i wanted to make sure you had the info

[full nacelle]

this is the build I just started running in auric damnation

melee battle medic build based around stupid amounts of toughness regen

gives it to everyone else in coherence and chops through everything

[wanton dawn]

I don't think I'll ever value born leader

[full nacelle]

it actually is surprisingly good in this one build haha

[deft tangle]

hey guys, which full dps build is playing atm with veteran?

[full nacelle]

like I've actively watched my teammates toughness go from 0 to overcapped once I start smacking

it's quite nutty

[clear narwhal]

#veteran-class message Try this if you want to use the Agri BA

[deft tangle]

agri ba?

[clear narwhal]

Agripinaa MkVIII Braced Autogun

[deft tangle]

ah ok

ill check it, thx

[clear narwhal]

Tops damage charts for auric maelstrom missions regularly

[wanton dawn]

You cant critizice me I cosplay bot

[deft tangle]

the first screen is the mod?

[full nacelle]

what gun you looking to use? every build can DPS so its better to know which weapons suit your fancy

[deft tangle]

with the scoreboard?

[deft tangle]

the one who shoot fast

faster

[clear narwhal]

Probably want the Columnus Mk V infantry autogun then

[full nacelle]

Ok that's easy. Standard shoot fast kill everything build is the Columnus for the most firepower.

[raw steppe]

toughness regen speed is pretty worthless btw

you can try taking it off and you probably won't notice

[deft tangle]

thats thje

one im using atm

[full nacelle]

ok then the build would be something like this

[clear narwhal]

Hey, if the columnus isn't kicking out enough damage for you, my build can kill specialists in around 3 shots once it's spun up

[wanton dawn]

As for "what build I think dishes the most damage on vet", I think it is ws+agile engagement abuser

[clear narwhal]

Don't even have to hit headshots

[umbral scaffold]

They should add a plasma gunner enemy tbh. That if supressed enough he frwak out fucks up his gun usage and blows up his plasma gun out of stress .

Think it would be funny

[clear narwhal]

this

[full nacelle]

this would be a very well-rounded Columnus build

[wanton dawn]

Too well rounded for my taste

[elder fiber]

let pgun users overheat from lmb and have the aoe kill any teammates nearby

[tame lodge]

Assassination Target but his weapon explodes and can wipe your team at the last second of the mission

[deft tangle]

thx mate

[clear narwhal]

Alternatively, if you want more gun for your gun, drop some of the perks on the right tree and stuff them in the middle bottom

[full nacelle]

if you want to go more shooty-shoot I can adjust it as well

[deft tangle]

give me a sec

[full nacelle]

nah same I like my builds to be lopsided into their strengths

[deft tangle]

im finishing a game

[wanton dawn]

Oh boy wait till I show you mine

[clear narwhal]

this

[full nacelle]

I'll post my personal columnus build. It's all about just shooting shit as much as possible.

[full nacelle]

yep!

that's basically mine too haha

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly yes but make aoe actually a working mechanic against enemies (like do more damage so blowing yourself up purposefully can be a viable thing )

[wanton dawn]

Sadly less efficient since surv nerf

[white minnow]

wounds maxxing

[umbral scaffold]

Cuz aoe from plasma self det is doodoo

[clear narwhal]

Bind Ping to M1, free damage

Just don't spam it lol

[umbral scaffold]

sanest veteran setup

[full nacelle]

mine is basically the same only I don't run deadshot because I'm a coward

[wanton dawn]

Shame

[full nacelle]

I've failed you

[wanton dawn]

I specifically built mine to only get stuff that improve the ciag

That branching out to get grenade regen smh

NO GRENADE ONLY CIAG

[full nacelle]

please don't bully me

I'm just a lad

[wanton dawn]

It's fine I mostly play plasma anywayh

[lilac kayak]

Noooo me want infinite grenades

[full nacelle]

^

[wild vortex]

yo this looks fun af

[full nacelle]

my braced graia build is the most fun I've had in this game

braced guns deserve love

[midnight totem]

I use braced with weapon specialist and infiltrate

[lilac kayak]

agripinaa mk 8 braced is my fav

[full nacelle]

saaaaame

[azure flame]

So was finally blessed with a decent mk2 helbore, but I can’t seem to get a decent read on what good perks and blessings are for it. Any advice is welcome, and thx in advance. Also braced AG gang

[midnight totem]

Nothing like popping up next to an enemy line with a buffed agrippina

[clear narwhal]

I never get bored of just rolling the entire room in a couple mags.

[full nacelle]

The graia's braced mode has a MUCH higher rate of fire than any other braced. Highly recommend youy try it.

It supresses everything instantly

[clear narwhal]

Graia is kinda mid imo

It lacks damage

[full nacelle]

Not at all

The braced rate of fire more than makes up for it

the regular shot is mid

you don't use it for that

[clear narwhal]

idk, I've tried a couple builds and found it lacking, but I'm willing to try a build if you have one

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-shooting-gif-23980108

[white minnow]

dps among the brautos is similar

[full nacelle]

just dropped it higher up

[clear narwhal]

Agri is a standout from my experience

[white minnow]

just that agri has 3 cleave instead of 1.5

[midnight totem]

I actually take off weakspot and go for deadshot instead

[full nacelle]

ah deadshot would not work on the graia... you'd be out of stamina instantly

pretty sure it has the highest rate of fire in the game

[clear narwhal]

Agri has higher damage per bullet, and to compensate for that it has accuracy issues, if you take executioners stance, it's not a problem.

[midnight totem]

Wanna know my reasoning?

[wanton dawn]

Well, if it work on CIAG it could work on graia

[clear narwhal]

I'll try it out, thx

[wanton dawn]

dunno if the finesse mod is worth it though

[full nacelle]

[full nacelle]

Sure thing! I'll try to record some gameplay of it later

[white minnow]

though damage per bullet alone does not matter unless you've been breakpointmaxxing

just looking that specifically is not a whole indicator

[full nacelle]

I'd actually love a comparison between the braced autoguns because I'm pretty sure Graia is higher when its being braced

[clear narwhal]

this one? #veteran-class message

[wanton dawn]

agri brauto does not brace at all

[midnight totem]

The braced auto does not have good accuracy and good headshot multipliers. It is infact, arguably more accurate when not braced

[clear narwhal]

I don't brace the agri ever

I used to

but it don't really do anything tbh

[wanton dawn]

I think the graia shoot faster when braced

[full nacelle]

^

[clear narwhal]

I heard that

[full nacelle]

much faster

[midnight totem]

You're better off taking deadshot to guarantee crit strings when you really want something dead

[deft tangle]

is there any guide to know which base weapon stats are good?

I mean buying them in the armory

[white minnow]

yeah it's like 13/s compared to the usual 11.11

[full nacelle]

yeah that's the main difference

[clear narwhal]

You can inspect the weapons for damage numbers

[wanton dawn]

but idk if taking deadshot makes sense on graia. I take it on ciag because ciag finesse mod is stupid

[full nacelle]

the other autoguns you don't really brace

graia you ONLY brace

[white minnow]

i think all the BAGs have the same # of crit string

[full nacelle]

is the second number for Graia braced?

[white minnow]

i know that the agri BAG has a crit string of 3 and i do not remember the graia BAG having a crit string of 5

[white minnow]

yeah, the number to the right is braced

[full nacelle]

gotcha

and that doesn't account for the increased crit chance from all of those pellets

[clear narwhal]

if you like the Agri BA check out my build #veteran-class message

Big fan

[white minnow]

25% bumping your crit chance from 3% to 28% is effectively a 45% increase in crit chance

but since BAG finesse multis are 1.3x

0.45 * 0.3 = eh

[wanton dawn]

According to my power BI, I have effective crit rate of 36% on my CIAG build

[full nacelle]

Yeah... You'd be out of stamina in an instant dude.

[wanton dawn]

I know. I am out of grenade too

But I kill all the yellow stuff

[full nacelle]

I think the biggest thing with the graia that is overlooked is the suppression. It instantly neuters anything wtih a gun that isn't a shotgunnner.

[old quail]

u snort a line and take the tag keystone + the upgrade for toughness/stamina on tag kill

[full nacelle]

oh shid now you're cooking

[wanton dawn]

I think you did not saw my build earlier

[somber axle]

It's a shame how far Executioner's Stance and Smoke Grenade are from each other because they look really fun to pair together

[wanton dawn]

I switched from the tag keystone to Marksman focus for penance

[full nacelle]

Yeah... I have a build that uses that combo but I'm waiting to get a good hellbore to try it

[old quail]

it works better on semi autos because if you kill a tagged target within i think 2 seconds of tagging it you get an extra stack of focus target so you're getting 10% stam back per kill but it does dramatically extend stamina efficiency for any deadshot gun

[old quail]

the struggle is having to do the inverse. i really wish marksman dropped the rending node and replaced it with some way to generate stamina

[clear narwhal]

This is interesting, I might have to put together my own Graia build now.

[topaz lance]

Making exe stance more competitive:

• bake in the refresh
• make it so you can swap to melee and back without losing it

[wanton dawn]

There is the 0.25s stam regen node, it help a bit

[old quail]

yea with my old bolter build i snagged both stam regen delay nodes + duck n dive but the uptime just doesn't compete

you do lose out on stuff like stamina-neutral sprint sliding (stam positive with stuff like knife)

[wanton dawn]

Well, I do take 2 stam curios

[clear narwhal]

Exe stance is still v good, I prefer it over Shout tbh

no reason to push enemies around if they're all dead

[wanton dawn]

Shout is way better by almost all account though

[old quail]

exe stance's soft benefits scale inversely with gun handling which is funny

[topaz lance]

It's good, I just want to be a bit better. Objectively, it is just outclassed by shout at the moment

[old quail]

the worse your recoil/sway etc the more utility you get out of it

[full nacelle]

Yeah honestly the feel of the braced Graia is something I can't put my finger on. All guns when braced do more suppression but the HUGE rate of fire that the Graia gets means you constantly cc everything the second you start shooting. Pair that with Keep Their Heads Down! and you've effectively turned off gunners/reapers.

Graia has good damage but the real fun is seeing EVERYTHING cower when you start shooting

[wanton dawn]

It is fine not to take shout to try stuff out, but really it is the best vet ult

It has the easier talent pathing and economy too

[topaz lance]

Yeah, it's kinda weird that arguably the best type of weapons to use with it are full auto if you're also using the keystone.

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[rich pasture]

Whats the best crowd control weapon at the moment ?

[full nacelle]

On Vet? Graia by far

[wanton dawn]

Define Crowd control

[clear narwhal]

I honestly don't see how Shout outclasses Exe stance. Stance is a flat damage buff and mega accuracy with literally no cooldown sometimes if you build curio perks and take the talent for cooldown reduction on special kills.

[lilac kayak]

exec stance is only good if the player can handle not having shout as a crutch tbh

[old quail]

bolter gets the most benefits by huge margins because it turns off suppression, your shitty recoil/sway, and negates the draw time

[clear narwhal]

ah, this makes sense.

[full nacelle]

Shout is 100% the strongest ult in the game. Exe Stance is just a "win more" button for killing things faster.

[rich pasture]

My bad I forget to mention melee

[wanton dawn]

Exe stance isnt a panic button

[old quail]

a lot of the automatic weapons rn don't really need it because handling in this game is all over the place and a lot of guns have recoil that max out on their climb and stabilize fairly fast

[wanton dawn]

Shout has an easier time grabbing all ult dmg increase

[topaz lance]

I honestly haven't used bolter with it in ages. Need to try again.

[old quail]

ur normally just fine with taking determined (more for negating suppression spread than anything else) and calling it a day

[clear narwhal]

I find shredder nades to be enough of a panic button for me

[wanton dawn]

It really is not comparable

[clear narwhal]

If I need space or CC, I toss it down and get to chopping with my Power sword.

[topaz lance]

Did they fix the thing where exe stance doesn't trigger weapons specialist?

[old quail]

shout gives you a bunch of survivability for a button press, frag nades unfortunately don't save u from teammates shooting bursters in your face or a sniper being aimed at someone else and collat'ing you

[old quail]

don't think so

[tame lodge]

Hear me out, same curios,, same CDR talent, Massive AoE stagger + Over toughness for the team

[old quail]

been an issue since keystones for vet came out 😔

[wanton dawn]

shredder will not save you against crusher overhead, boss grab, buster jump, trapper net...

[topaz lance]

That's just so dumb

[full nacelle]

I prefer exe stance over shout 99% of the time but shout is just stupidly strong, especially in higher difficulties where the toughness over the course of a game is absolutely busted from all the special spawns

[clear narwhal]

Alternatively, big damage all the time, kill everything in the room

[wanton dawn]

You might say "I can manage and do it proactively". Well, you can also do that with shout

[full nacelle]

Shout is the ultimate panic button and also a massive damage boost and tide swinger on a 20~ second cooldown

[wanton dawn]

And again, shout has a way, way better talent path compare to exe

[full nacelle]

Exe stance is fun shooty mode for when you're already in a good spot and want to frag out

[lilac kayak]

nothing compared to old exec stance

[full nacelle]

Yeah and the better pathing definitely makes a big difference too

[wanton dawn]

You are free to use exe stance, but arguing that it is better than shout is pushing it a bit

[topaz lance]

Fatshark likes to overnerf things. I think they're afraid of the powerlevel going up to that again.

[clear narwhal]

If you can't dodge all of those, then yeah shout is maybe needed.

[full nacelle]

Sorry but anyone who argues exe stance is better than shout has not played at the highest difficulties

[white minnow]

melee elites are the main threat to me and that's what shout enables the opportunity to whack on them

i'm certainly not ever dodging melee elites 100% of the time or when the game decides to spawn 6 fucking bulwarks

[topaz lance]

I hope they nerf shout 🙂

[clear narwhal]

It's better when you don't NEED shout imo.

[full nacelle]

I wish they would nerf shout too tbh. It's way too good.

And boring haha

[wild vortex]

or like just make exec stance a bit better

[wanton dawn]

Well, why do you need exe

[wild vortex]

not even a lot, just a bit

[old quail]

the 6 crushers following me into a dark alleyway with the bulwark behind

[white minnow]

make it not drop on swap and call it a day

[clear narwhal]

To make my gun more gun

[full nacelle]

Yeah just having gunner resistance during exe stance would be big

[white minnow]

nah

exe's stance lets you fight ranged enemies at farther distances than you usually can

[clear narwhal]

^

[white minnow]

so you can just outdistance ranged enemies and fight them at a range where their inaccuracy and damage is so little that you don't take much at all

[clear narwhal]

You can 2 tap snipers from cross map

with agri exe

just use the initial accuracy

[wanton dawn]

I mean, a lot of gun 1 tap sniper across map without exe

[full nacelle]

^

why do you need exe stance to do that? most guns can do that

[lilac kayak]

great for pinning down specialist before they become an issue

like tox bombers for example

[clear narwhal]

why pin them down when you can kill them

[white minnow]

you don't need exe's stance for it, but the better handling on guns means you can do it faster and more reliably

[clear narwhal]

Exe is a damage bonus too

[full nacelle]

well we're talking about exe stance versus shout... we're not arguing exe stance doesn't have uses

[topaz lance]

I'd be happy with that for now.
My favorite combo is exe stance with weapon specialist, but the whole thing is designed to work against it for some reason.

[full nacelle]

but it's nowhere near the level of shout

in terms of power

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

This discussion will run in circle anyway

[clear narwhal]

How do you define it's power?

[full nacelle]

You really don't need exe stance to be a special sniper is the main problem

[full nacelle]

How overall strong it is throughout a match. Its utility. Its ability to turn the tables in a losing scenario.

[clear narwhal]

It's not like, exclusively for that, but it's a nice bonus on top of the other stuff it gives you

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day, in auric maelstrom, shout is by far the most popular vet ult and the most impactful as well

[white minnow]

players have more than enough DPS nowadays and they let you take suppression immunity independently from exe's stance

[clear narwhal]

Alternatively, if you have enough damage, you can make the losing scenario not happen in the first place

[topaz lance]

Well Exe stance can theoretically help a weapon hit a lot of breakpoints. I think the most "fun" use of it would be to balance it so that vet can be a 1/2 tap sniper with weapons other classes cannot.

[clear narwhal]

I don't doubt that

well, maybe the second part*

I think Exe is pretty impactful if you can stop bad situations from coming up in the first place

[full nacelle]

but shout does that too and more

you get swarmed in auric maelstrom with exe stance and it's not going to help you until you get out of that situation

you run shout and you completely turn the tides of the fight

[clear narwhal]

but after you shout, you still have to kill all those enemies

you're just buying a little time

[full nacelle]

and you do, much faster than you would if you pressed exe and brought out your gun in the middle of a horde

[white minnow]

yeah and the fact that they're staggered presents a risk-free opportunity to dump damage on them

[full nacelle]

^

[white minnow]

e.g., it's very comfortable to run into a special wave if you have shout up

[opaque crane]

voc and infiltrate would have to be totally dumpstered before I’d consider taking exe stance.

[white minnow]

and melee and rely on shout to stagger trappers/flamers if need be

[full nacelle]

and you've buffed your damage, given yourself full toughness, given everyone overhealth which prevents all oneshots and damage from going to your health

it's a free "I win" button every time

you don't even have to use it with enemies around and its insanely strong

[white minnow]

to me, melee elites are the main threat and shout provides the opportunity to dump damage onto them with my melee

[full nacelle]

it's basically invincibility if you're pressing it off cooldown and not being stupid

[white minnow]

ranged enemies don't push you, and the special enemies that do push you also conveniently step into shout range

[full nacelle]

exe stance is the ability for feeling like a god and doing cool shit

but shout is the actual godlike ability

even if it's boring in comparison

[clear narwhal]

fair

[gilded rock]

I like the oomph that shout has. Makes me feel like I'm the one in the middle of the room and I love the impact

[full nacelle]

I run shout on very few builds because it's so damn strong

exe stance is WAY more interesting and fun to use

[gilded rock]

It is definitely a bit overtuned

[full nacelle]

it's very fun on melee vet builds where you're constantly running around knocking shit down and in the middle of the fray

the knockback is the cool part

[white minnow]

i'd kill tactical awareness, shorten the duration of the overtoughness, and reduce the toughness regen from 100% down to some number and see how that goes

[lilac kayak]

melee elites are only an issue if u get cornered in which u can easily kite backwards imo

[white minnow]

i don't like how much stagger it has but it is one of the more core aspects of it so i guess it'll have to keep that

[gilded rock]

Yeah I think the stagger is pretty important for its identity and place in melee-leaning builds

[full nacelle]

Yeah I would hate it if it was just a basic toughness heal

[clear narwhal]

Love your name

[full nacelle]

the stagger is the fun part

[white minnow]

crushers/bulwarks take up a lot of space and make specials a lot more threatening

though i guess part of my problem is that i refuse to kite

[gilded rock]

Thank you

[white minnow]

i hate kiting and avoid doing it ever

esp in a world where you can drag overheads into teammates

i'd rather stand my ground and limit weird shit happening or turn the scenario into a clutch

i rather just die

[gilded rock]

When an ogryn teammate dodges in front of you and as soon as the meat wall passes by you see rebar slamming down

Top 3 jumpscares

[lilac kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

[gilded rock]

"my turn doggy 😾"

[full nacelle]

now the most underrated of the vet abilities is Infiltrate

Infiltrate funny

[lilac kayak]

all the stealth vets are zealots in disguise atm

[full nacelle]

I had a game yesterday where I was the only one alive facing a horde and a plague Ogryn and I clutched it by constantly running around invisible killing off specials

[frank ocean]

I have yet to use either of the stealth skills at all

[full nacelle]

Truuuueee

[frank ocean]

They just seem like such a pain in the ass to get, along with the Zealot loner one

[lilac kayak]

stealth is just great for clutch moments but typically that shouldn't happen too often if u r actually running a support build like shout vet to prevent something like that happening

[midnight totem]

I wonder whats the best way to find reapers

[frank ocean]

Also, tried out Columnus Mk V autogun finally, I see why its popular lol

[lilac kayak]

ascension riser, some spawn at the beginning before medicae if u get lucky

[full nacelle]

I prefer to use it to sneak behind the enemy backline and destroy all their specials and bulwarks with the -90% threat talent

the clutch potential is just a really fun bonus

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/power-feel-the-power-emperors-new-groove-yzma-disney-gif-5266453

[frank ocean]

Main thing I've been trying to get used to is the massive initial recoil it has before settling down

[full nacelle]

I run it with exe stance for maximum carnage

[sleek garden]

frag grenade time

[full nacelle]

guns busted enough, I don't need shout

[lilac kayak]

I'd feel bad cause I send the horde flying toward my other 3 mates

[full nacelle]

Haha got to pop out and suppress/kill them before they get to your frens

The suppression is really underrated

I pair it with my Graia braced with Keep Their Heads Down! and everything is just stuck cowering while I go full rambo from behind

[full nacelle]

I said "you get swarmed" not "you see a swarm coming toward you"

[sleek garden]

slide and frag grenade time

[full nacelle]

now you're cooking

[dreamy spade]

this build is genuinely so good but very easy to fuck up

[full nacelle]

combat blade + blue stim

https://tenor.com/view/awwwwwwww-excited-gif-10288019

[lilac kayak]

requires lots of brain cells to make the build work

[full nacelle]

meanwhile my melee vet is the most unga bunga shit ever

and never dies

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c021f02-c74b-457d-8c2a-2ab9944d4c68/clutch-vet

hold on thats outdated

[full nacelle]

no tactical awareness?

I'mma cry

[dreamy spade]

1 stun and you're dead

dodges are like 2 miles so

easy top fall off

[dreamy spade]

infiltrate doesn't really need it

voc spam does tho

[full nacelle]

I like having it on all my builds personally

I like spamming my abilities as much as possible

[north raptor]

me too

[dreamy spade]

Updated graphic driver -> all apps with hardware acceleration now flicker black

Gotta love shitty software updates

Anyone else think mercy killer needs to be buffed

I might just take bleed over it

[agile forge]

You can always take serrated blades to trigger it

I think it's better on veteran than the other classes because of that

I prefer precognition tbh

But I only use knife on my zealot

[austere pine]

excuse me?

[dreamy spade]

Yeah that's exactly why I was using it, but because I have good crit chance the bleed from crits will probably do more

Unless I take both and forget uncanny

Brittleness multiplies bleed damage right?

[agile forge]

You're not taking the bleed for its own damage with just serrated blades

It's just to trigger mercy killer

1 stack per attack is shit on its own

Uncanny does help bleeds yes

Uh, all rending does

Probably brittle too

If you wanted to use a different rending solution, I know vets can be swimming in the stuff

[dreamy spade]

Yeah I mean take flesh tearer and mercy killer

[agile forge]

I wouldn't tbh

[dreamy spade]

Yeah ill just drop serrated blade and take onslaught instead

[agile forge]

You aren't aiming to have the bleed deal tons of damage really

[dreamy spade]

Uncanny and flesh tearer

[agile forge]

If you take uncanny you don't need any other kind of armour ignore iirc

I think 100 rending means your brittleness doesn't help you any more too?

[dreamy spade]

Is brittleness just for armour?

I have exploit weakness and onslaught so i could drop rendering?

And I have 25% carapace

[wise fossil]

Brittleness/rending increases damage on all enemies except unarmored and infested

[wise fossil]

You mean the 10% rending node? Yeah that's pretty easy to drop

[dreamy spade]

So if i have 60% brittlness and 125% rendering is that overkill

[wise fossil]

It's right next to Bring it Down too, which is a great node

[dreamy spade]

Nah not that

Right side

Uncanny is the rendering

[wise fossil]

Talking about Onslaught?

That's very good if you're using a fast firing gun

But if you have uncanny on your knife then your knife won't need it

[tall torrent]

What weapon are u using

[dreamy spade]

Mk3 knife

[umbral scaffold]

The best I could do comrades 😦

[elder oriole]

does it oneshot crushers with the pushstab and followup?

[dreamy spade]

I posted the build above, basically im saying i think its better I get flesh tearer instead of mercy killer because my crit chance is quite high

[radiant chasm]

then just go precog or riposte tbh

[austere pine]

a french ogryn just told me to shoot a bullet through my head

what do

[midnight totem]

That mobility is killing me

Anyway

4500 penance get

[foggy wadi]

whats the better melee to go with the Col V autogun?

[midnight totem]

Any

[foggy wadi]

I currently have the chain axe. might be me but it wasn't doing me to well in a Auric maelstrom.

does me well in everything else.

[midnight totem]

Which chainaxe?

[foggy wadi]

Orestes MK IV assault chainaxe

[midnight totem]

Ah. I think that's the more lackluster of the chainaces

The other one is better

More intuitive, imho

[foggy wadi]

lol, just spent 500k and didnt get one over 320

[slow spade]

finally boltpistol

now I can have ammo issues in a compact package

also still has a 2.5 sec draw time

[umbral scaffold]

WAIT its 25th of june and not may ? RIP 😭 i thought it was tommorrow
shouldve expected that its fatshark wtf

[tall torrent]

It’s been stated as June 25th in the trailer

[umbral scaffold]

yeah but i read that as may
(im very exhausted)

[delicate moat]

finally got the krieg set for vet

[north raptor]

you cannot blame fatshark for announcing something that releases in a month lol

thats no time

[frank ocean]

I did find it odd that we only got a teaser that basically only showed the new level, instead of a more in depth one that showed off some of the new weapons

[north raptor]

thats work

they busy

[frank ocean]

Yeah yeah

Busy with Vermintide 2

jk

Nooooo

[trim steppe]

PC3 is better than no PC at all, at least

[frank ocean]

Yeah

What blessings are good for Columnus MKV?

[raw steppe]

damage blessings always help but generally they're last priority

behind stats and perks

[tall torrent]

Dum dum

[trim steppe]

dumdum mostly

[tall torrent]

2nd blessing doesn’t matter as much

[frank ocean]

Also what modifiers are important/which ones dont matter

[trim steppe]

mobility is your main dump stat, ammo is also fairly safe to dump. You want high damage and stopping power, and stability is good

As a general thing, most weapons have mobility on them and you can almost always dump mobility, as long as you keep it over 51%. Mobility determines how many dodges you get, and you get maximum dodges at 51% mobility

[sturdy zephyr]

Savior melk at last!

[tall torrent]

[trim steppe]

Closing in on 4200 💪 Still only have about 3 skulls lol

[tall torrent]

U need martyr skulls?

[swift bear]

Interesting

is this worth buying?

[midnight totem]

For a vet? Eh...

If you have a lotta melkbucks

[tame lodge]

Could swap reload speed and raking fire

[midnight totem]

Sure

If not, nah

Keep raking fire

[swift bear]

I have 16k

[midnight totem]

It works from the sides too

Elite manic and dum dum and raking fire

And you now have some good dps on an infiltrate vet

[tame lodge]

Can't say no to extra free damage I guess

[full nacelle]

it's alright... definitely don't want reload speed and infernus is bad on anything that isn't a boss

I think a sidearm on a melee focused infiltrate vet would be the best play here

[elder dawn]

whats the best vet shovel

[frank ocean]

MK3 I think

Well if you're looking for the one with the best crowd control

[tall torrent]

not worth

[tall torrent]

mk7

[tall torrent]

mk3 has straight up ~20% worse horde clear than mk7

[hybrid torrent]

Depends, but I personally prefer the Mk VII shovel cause a push shove attack from this mark can kill a scab or a dreg bruiser with a headshot with skullcrusher 4. Also, the pickaxe special can don work against carapace. The standard shovel has the ability to stagger muties with its special and oneshot bruisers with a push shove with skull crusher 4.

[midnight totem]

Really? Why's that

[tall torrent]

Because Mk3 has H2 overhead

[midnight totem]

Ah

[tall torrent]

Shovel’s best dense-horde clear combo is heavy sweep spam

Mk3 doesn’t have that

[elder dawn]

good info

[tall torrent]

Mk3 also has no easy-to-access strikedown without folding

Mk7 has PA > L3 > L4 for single target

[minor iron]

what keystone is most beneficial on zarona revolver? weapon specialist?

[tall torrent]

yea

[rigid pilot]

Or focus target

But that's good with anything

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist is best

[hollow ibex]

right side in general best

[feral stratus]

This was with melk. I never really used plasma guns so idk how good this roll is

[tall torrent]

Change perks to elite + flak

[robust drum]

when you cave and buy a 76% damage MG Ia... 🤦‍♂️

[stuck gorge]

salvageable or no?

[full nacelle]

Yes. Change No Respite to Onslaught and I THINK weakspot damage to Flak.

[dapper vessel]

just grab the surgical

[full nacelle]

Actually wait that's unyielding...

I might just grab surgical and roll for a better one

[frank basin]

My guess the perk for helbore is manic and flak

Is that right?

[full nacelle]

Yep

[junior needle]

Most upvoted comment on reddit in a post about the mk2 tac axe

[north raptor]

theres a special?

[late steeple]

lalala

[full nacelle]

people use tac axes?

[north raptor]

id LIKE to

i have a great one on my psyker

[raw steppe]

taxes are not bad at all

[dapper vessel]

its kinda just outclassed by caxes is all

though it could use some buffs

[raw steppe]

hmm not quite tbh

[north raptor]

should be dualwield

juggle special attack

[dapper vessel]

and maybe fix the hitbox on some of the light attacks, if it wasnt already

[raw steppe]

I think the main problem is that people are trying to use taxes as a caxe

obviously you'll get more mileage out of BM and stuff

[dapper vessel]

they're both light spam attacks mostof the time

[raw steppe]

but a taxe will actually do 2-3x damage compared to caxe

against certain enemy types

[dapper vessel]

2 of the caxes has a much more intuitive moveset

[raw steppe]

like unyield

[tall torrent]

Really

[junior needle]

2-3x dps?

Doubt

[raw steppe]

yes try spamming on a chaos spawn in the grinder with a headtaker+shred taxe

[dapper vessel]

melee damage against unyielding has a hidden damage modifier iirc

[junior needle]

Someone posts azreals caxe bonker

#veteran-class message

[raw steppe]

caxe main thing is that it just uses BM well

and taxe can't use BM as well

[junior needle]

The 2 and 7 can, but they're more particular about stats and don't perform as well clear wise with it

[dapper vessel]

that vid is completely theoretical TTK on a perfect environment

😩

[raw steppe]

hmm not really because you can't get a oneshot on trash iirc unless you crit

[junior needle]

You can on heavies

[tall torrent]

U can, it just requires 4/4 correct roll

[junior needle]

Which is why you need to heavy with those variants for brutal usage

[dapper vessel]

I genuinely think achlys caxe works better with thrust bm over headtaker bm

[north raptor]

bm = bowel movement

never unsee it

[tall torrent]

Depends

[raw steppe]

Iirc it wasnt hitting bruiser oneshot with headshots

Was mine just too shit?

[junior needle]

Very probably

[tall torrent]

It needs flak + unarmored

[junior needle]

Yep

Both perks + sufficient stats + headtaker + BM

It might still need a bit of melee juice after but it's been awhile

[raw steppe]

Requiring ht stacks is a bit much

[junior needle]

It's not

Headtaker stacks come very easily

Same thing applies with caxes

Unlike deci it can also multistack

[raw steppe]

Caxe hits the bp without ht stacks

So your first hit out of combat kills everything

[junior needle]

Depends on how good your weapon is

And how much juice you have

[tall torrent]

That requires specific perk rolls

[tall marsh]

Can't wait to brick this

[north raptor]

do it

[tall marsh]

LMAO

[tall torrent]

[north raptor]

nice

[tall marsh]

gonna give this to the next Ogryn I see so they can throw it

[north raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/judges-10-score-up-perfect10-perfect-scores-gif-15737080

[dapper vessel]

the crafting rework cant come soon enough

[tall marsh]

I have this saved for when it happens

[dapper vessel]

I love the things I work towards is ultimately determined by RNG

[somber axle]

Upgrade it and brick it