veteran-class

[rapid palm]

marksmen focus got buffed and is actuly usable now

thats the biggest recent change

[pseudo fiber]

drat

[velvet storm]

what are the best curios for veteran

[bronze atlas]

i typically run toughness, maybe a wound with it

i dont like when my screen goes grey 😦

[rapid palm]

I run 1 toughness, 1 HP, and 1 +3 stamina sense the power sword has crap base stam

[umbral scaffold]

I run 2 toughness 1 hp

[velvet storm]

so toughness is better than hp

?

[pseudo fiber]

seconding this

[umbral scaffold]

Hinestly you should go for what feels best

[white minnow]

generally i'd favor toughness yeah
since it is a regenerating resource and most toughness gen talents refund a % of it, so more toughness = more buffer and more regeneration

the leveling field used to be closer back when fire instantly destroyed your toughness and you had far less sources of toughness regen, but i would take toughness over health any time of the day on vet unless you have some breakpoints in mind against snipers and bursters

[umbral scaffold]

Something im still not quite sure of even now tho
Does blocking HAS to have stamina left to work or is it that it were maulers or crusher overheads being absolutely unblockable ? Some aspects of the game could be explained further imo

[white minnow]

their overheads are "block bypass" attacks yeah

and some other few attacks

[umbral scaffold]

But if i run out of stamina and say im holding block right

[white minnow]

otherwise, blocking an attack at zero stamina will block it completely as long as it's not one of these "block bypass" attacks

[umbral scaffold]

Does it do the same ? Or am i triping

[white minnow]

nah, you just get guardbroken

you won't take damage from blocking a non-block bypass attack without the requisite stamina

[umbral scaffold]

Likie from nirmal enemies now i mean

[white minnow]

as long as it's not a block bypass attack

then no

[umbral scaffold]

Thats good to know
Ig i do NOT need any stam curio afterall

Unless id use it with the crit chance perk that uses stam per second thing ?

Stack it with vld ?

[tall torrent]

Usually, yes

[trail stone]

do i need flak damage on this thing?

[tall torrent]

Go with elite

[trail stone]

AH TRUE

[gilded rock]

mfw the shitbox meme build I scraped together is actually fun and effective

[sturdy zephyr]

Im still struggling for power cycle 4

Huhuhu

[wraith flare]

Imo one stam curio is mandatory, also I should get violent since u mentioned VId, bad gun and drains ur stamina in a second if using deadshot

[midnight totem]

4470 penance score and fan-atic complete thanks to a very awesome team

Got 15 in zealot penances, at least 35 in ogryn penance, and all of the 50 map completions to go

[bitter turtle]

Deadshog 6d is a meme

You probably want 3x stam curios

For that

And every stam node on the tree

[midnight totem]

I'd have gone with manic for the mutie oneshots, but elite is good!

[umbral parrot]

Soooo

What's with all the Smoke nade hate? Lol

[rigid pilot]

Where?

[north raptor]

i think shredder grenade gets more done than smoke is all

just shoot the gunners youre a vet

but its fine

its like psyker wall

i wish it did something else like buff melee damage inside or something

[minor iron]

is there a video or any information on why the columnus is so good? every time i use it i just feel like the mission would be 10x easier with a plasma or even a revolver. its clear that im just using it incorrectly but i want to learn how to use it properly if its that broken

[north raptor]

are you using blessings on it

you want like death spitter or fire frenzy or dum dum ideally to stack insane damage modifiers

it might well be that plasma or revolver continue to be OP but columnus is A++ on 3/4 classes in game

its a close range weapon primarily

[rigid pilot]

Revolver and plasma are 10x easier to use so it checks out

[north raptor]

but it can pew things further ofc

[radiant chasm]

well, it doesn't pen like plasma or revolver, you get it for it's dps per target

but like on monstros, it's damage gets insane

[rigid pilot]

If you see 8 shotgunners columnus isn't going to kill all of them in 1 mag usually

[north raptor]

use it on gunners ragers specials etc mixed hordes regular hordes monsters

itll kill like 4

[rigid pilot]

Plasma is like 3-4 clicks lol

[north raptor]

plasma feels bad to play tho

[rigid pilot]

How so?

You just click and things stagger/die

[north raptor]

its intensely boring after a small amount of time

[rigid pilot]

Yea I mean

[north raptor]

it sounds weird

it kicks weird

[rigid pilot]

That's meta

[north raptor]

it needs to think about its heat all the time but doesnt actually blow

[rigid pilot]

You don't need to

[north raptor]

its just an annoying gun and i never enjoy it

[rigid pilot]

It doesn't even blow up since it auto vents at 100

[midnight totem]

That's fair

[north raptor]

which is stupid

itd have some complexity if it didnt auto vent

[midnight totem]

If he doesn't like plasma, he doesn't like plasma, it's fine

[north raptor]

anyway go try the other guns they do work

[midnight totem]

I don't like the columnus

[rigid pilot]

Plasma gaming

[north raptor]

use a shovel or something too

plasma gun also looks like an accordion full of offbrand yogurt

its so cartoony looking

its just like a corrugated rectangle in mspaint

[bronze atlas]

That's just how plasma guns have looked for 20,000 years

[midnight totem]

Still looks better then the cybertruck

[north raptor]

omg i saw one yesterday

i was like who are you what is your next move

[bronze atlas]

If that's the standard they should start shopping on the unity asset store lol

[north raptor]

it was really bright and uncomfy looking

[bronze atlas]

I can answer the second one
Getting their truck towed to a service station

[north raptor]

rofl

i wonder if they get harassed by the cops

[bronze atlas]

I doubt it

Passerby though

[north raptor]

anyway there is at least 1 cybertruck in the wild

[midnight totem]

Anyway

Columnus, good gun because great dps, relatively high headshot multipliers, easy to use,

[pulsar vine]

there are some graja rifles with similar mag size and more damage

but like 100 less total ammo#

[midnight totem]

Agripp, lower dps because of fire rate, extra damage doesn't quite make up, but very solid hitter regardless

Graia is inbetween

And suffers from middle child syndrome

Builds leaning on onslaught stacking won't be quite as effective as due to lower fire rate

[pulsar vine]

nah agripp is low since you have to reload it more often with around 30 round mag while graja has 20 more and columnus is just spray and pray cqb.

[midnight totem]

Builds leaning on Rending or capitalizing on additional damage aren't quite as effective due to... lower damage

But it's still a good gun imho

[pulsar vine]

sure RPM is lower than columnus but if in your groupe you are dedicated more to taking out elites and specialist at distance the columnus is meh specially trying to get a sniper at the other side of the map like the freight terminal mission with a monstrosity at the end sigma something

havent collected blessings yet

its all just situational and how you prefer to play

[minor iron]

yeah this is the one im using. tree is a standard vet tree going down to marksmans keystone and shout and all that

[north raptor]

tbh you should be wrecking with it

above my pay grade thats what i use tho

the focus fire of lefthand keystone

[minor iron]

im so used to plasma/revo that i guess i see now that i was sort of playing this like a longer range weapon when it shouldnt be. i just see vids online of people absolutely shredding the shit out of everything in the game but i feel like i either don't get that damage or i couldve just plasma one tapped whatever im shooting

[north raptor]

its ALMOST an smg

delete elites and specials and run around like a commando

its fun

[minor iron]

i guess i just prefer to snipe as many specials as i can and melee when i cant

not saying the gun is bad, i just cant use its full potential because im stuck in my ways

need to consume more media with a different mindset on what to do

[north raptor]

consider thr lasgun1a

[agile forge]

CIAG has better long range performance under ex stance

(Than without it)

[minor iron]

i feel like running no shout is really risky

unless im just good enough to not use it but i aint so

[north raptor]

the team isnt that fragile

you can still get all those tasty regen talents

its ok to go down some too

but by all means keep shout itnworks

[agile forge]

It is risky but risky can be fun

If you aren't shooting for ASS then have some fun with other build ideas

Even if they aren't as high winrate, they have their own strengths which are fun to work with

[austere badger]

ASS: All Skill Shots

[sturdy zephyr]

Wrath vs devastating strike for Cleve,which better for swords?

[trim hemlock]

Wrath, definitely

Devstrike is a meme

Also, which swords? (shouldn't matter greatly, but it might help with further discussion if need be)

[finite carbon]

Savage sweep

[somber axle]

Chainsword IV: Savage Sweep + Rampage OR Shred + Rampage (Cleave vs Crit build since crit damage does not have damage falloff on cleave targets)
Chainsword XIIIg: Wrath + Rampage OR Shred + Rampage
Devil's Claw (Any Variant): Savage Sweep + Rampage

Devastating Strike is really, really bad and only applies the extra cleave to the attack right after a crit and only that attack. It is incredibly inconsistent and not worth building for as far as others have tested

If you have to choose between Wrath and Devastating Strike, always go Wrath

[sturdy zephyr]

Catacan

Devil claw

[sturdy zephyr]

Alright

[bitter turtle]

I think shred is probably not a great option for 13g on vet

Not enough crit to make it reliable to crit often enough that you won't need wrath

Which means you have to do that cursed LLLH loop

[trim hemlock]

What does H1 (of the 13g) loop into?

L2 or L1

[tropic imp]

13g is wrath + shred

Savage sweep and rampage are too hard to trigger

[plain escarp]

Guys I am looking for a veteran build to get back into the game, I haven't played in like 5 months

I don't know about the new changes and I have limited weapons and perks to chose from

[finite carbon]

Roll any plasma gun and standard shovel

Try to get uncanny strike on shovel, but not necessary

Use any nade, any aura, shout ability

Go ham

Most budget generalist loadout you can get as early Vet, but it certainly works

Oh, and I guess either the middle or right keystone.

[somber axle]

Oh yeah. You can kinda just do light spam for XIIIg for hordes anyway. Does it still do fine without Rampage then?

[finite carbon]

But honestly, keystones are optional

[plain escarp]

shovel? I think I have a good sword

[finite carbon]

Which sword? Devil's?

[plain escarp]

idk I am stuck on the loading screen

wth is wrong with this game

[somber axle]

Do you have your video drivers up to date? That's a big one to check on

Though also you probably need to verify file integrity

Infinite Loading screen glitch hit me a couple weeks ago and verifying files fixed it

[elder fiber]

It might be smth to do with the "event" being implemented

[somber axle]

OH YEAH

[midnight totem]

Xiiig can be fine without cleave blessings, but you won't have rampage

[somber axle]

Skulls thing is today

[plain escarp]

heeeh

[midnight totem]

As long as you have shred and enough attack speed

[plain escarp]

anyway the sword is the one that you can charge up and cleave through anything

I know I have a very good one

almost perfect

roll

[somber axle]

Oh Power Sword? That one is very good as long as you have Power Cycler IV

[midnight totem]

Though you will have to be extra careful against mobs of bruisers

[plain escarp]

yes that I have

[somber axle]

Then you're pretty much golden because meta hasn't changed on that

People are still running it for all difficulties and recommend it for higher difficulties

[elder fiber]

Yeah tbh just shred and attack speed go a long way for mk13

[somber axle]

Good horde clear, solid anti-Crusher weapon

[finite carbon]

Oh perfect. Use that with plasma

[plain escarp]

Is there a power cycler V?

[stuck gorge]

If you meant pc IV and not V yes, it has +2 chained powered attacks

[plain escarp]

oh I see

dunno how it works

how anything works in this game really

[midnight totem]

It's easy

[plain escarp]

all I know is that you should buy weapons with good ranked perks from the weekly quest guy and then dismantle them

[midnight totem]

See heretic

Kill heretic

?

Profit

[frank ocean]

Enough said, Varlot

[midnight totem]

Also, dodge and shove in melee

[plain escarp]

I know how to play, but in darktide I only have 200h

[midnight totem]

Right, well

[stuck gorge]

Perks/blessings have 4 lvls (1-4) certain blessings only have a single lvl (like surge being lvl4 and giving 2 shots on critical hits for staves) while others have multiple lvls

[midnight totem]

Blessings only go up to rank 4

Weapons have a maximum 380 base rating

[stuck gorge]

Each individual stat only goes to 80% however

[umbral scaffold]

I dont main that dont get the bad idea. Besides my build i do what i want

[midnight totem]

Almost every weapon is viable, except shredder autopistol, and recon ii lasgun

[plain escarp]

shredder used to be busted

[somber axle]

I main Recon VId Dead triple Stam curio

Everything can be silly if you're willing to put on a clown costume

[frank ocean]

I’ve been maining Kantrael XI infantry lasgun, love me some DMR action

[stuck gorge]

Triple stam dragon claw parry meta when

[somber axle]

I have some time before work today here goes my daily rant

Sharing the Recon I originally used to make the gif but I have a better one now

Recon ammo used to kill a Crusher varies a lot

In that gif I used 13 ammo

[stuck gorge]

I’m curious how would the one long shot talent affect the kill time?

[somber axle]

With my new Recon Mk VId I can use as little as 7 ammo

[somber axle]

Probably a little bump in DPS/TTK but I like having Confirmed Kill and the extra +1 Stam node under it more than Exhil Takedown and the HP node under it

I like taking Exhil Takedown when I bring the Kantrael Mg1a Infantry Lasgun

As always

[stuck gorge]

Might be silly to try eventually

[somber axle]

DISCLAIMER TIME

1. Recon Mk VId can delete Crushers with a funny TTK and very little ammo cost using this build but it requires Onslaught, Rending Strikes, Focus Target and Executioner's Stance from the talent tree as well as Headhunter, Infernus blessings and +Carapace perk to push it to do this
2. No Voice of Command or Infiltrate means you have much less survivability than other builds
3. You want triple Stam curios with stamina regen perks for a total +9 Stam from your curios with another +1 from the Stam talent node near the top of the talent tree to fuel Deadshot crits
4. Focus Target + Target Down helps improve damage, gives you a general toughness regen boost and a Stam regen boost which all play massively into your survival and your damage. You must be used to consistently pinging specials/elites to get the most value of it
5. Duck and Dive is for pushing to the Frontline and baiting shooters so you can dodge them and restore more stamina for more Deadshot uptime for more damage and better ammo economy/better ammo efficiency per target in the middle of combat for even more Deadshot crit uptime
6. Even with all that stamina boosting you will still need to watch your stamina bar and know when to swap between aiming down sights and hip firing to give stamina time to regen during longer bursts
7. Ammo economy is dependent on how good you are at maintaining stamina for consistent Deadshot crit stacking with Headhunter blessing. You will need to have solid aim and keep your crosshairs on heads to maintain good crit strings for free shots through Shock Trooper
8. All this said you will still struggle on two things: boss damage and killing muties. All other maniacs die quick. If you have +Maniac damage as a perk it alleviates that somewhat. Infernus helps alleviate poor boss DPS but it is better to have a handy melee weapon that can do better boss DPS for monstrosities
9. Assuming equal skill level, another Veteran using a Columnus Infantry Autogun will have superior DPS across the board and this build only has superior ammo economy dependent on your ability to maintain Deadshot, crit strings and hovering cursor over heads

[stuck gorge]

Wall of text

[midnight totem]

Have you tried the bring it down for ogryns?

[somber axle]

If you do not have the patience to read this disclaimer you have failed the clown exam and please do not try my clown build LMFAO

[frank ocean]

By the emperor that’s a lot of text

[midnight totem]

You can read, you're not a zealot

[stuck gorge]

I don’t know man I’ve been starting to enjoy playing zealot recently

[full nacelle]

Trying to decide between the Kantrael shotgun or the Agripinna for a smokes-based build

[frank ocean]

Zealot was my first class and still my fav

[somber axle]

The tl;dr is that there's more going on than first glance with this silly build

[frank ocean]

Love me some heavy Evis with QuickDraw revolver

[full nacelle]

Zealot might not have the build variety Vet gets but the builds it does get are STUPID fun

[frank ocean]

Yeah

[midnight totem]

We've lost him to the frenzied masses...

[stuck gorge]

(My zealot weapons are still like blue I’m focusing on upgrading my Ogryn gear)

[frank ocean]

I just dislike how talent starved you are with Vets tree if you want to take a keystone

[somber axle]

I think a lot of the trouble is from some talents being basically mandatory across all builds like Demo Stockpile 1 min nade regen but it is down center tree and not a lot of people want to run through Fire Team to spend the points efficiently to get it especially when people also want to dip heavier into left side the further down they go

Zig zag talent tree

[midnight totem]

Vet's talent tree really lends itself to archetypes

[frank ocean]

Yeah it’s zig zagging in the worst way, where I’m not doing it because I really want to, but I go “well I have to go middle for X and right for Y since it’s basically required to function

[bitter turtle]

What are you building

[woeful ibex]

Krieg skins are back

[oak gorge]

wait shit is this live

i fuckimng need that skull skin

[merry gale]

oh so that's why they finally fixed the coat

[pseudo fiber]

They are?

[woeful ibex]

@oak gorge confirmed

they're in-game

[oak gorge]

yooooo

[midnight totem]

Any weapon skins

[oak gorge]

copping this shit rn before i forget

[midnight totem]

Or just the special outfits

[elder fiber]

just the outfits

[woeful ibex]

nope

skins return

not the guns with em

[midnight totem]

Disappoint

[oak gorge]

yay now i can make a kreig trooper who uses a hellbore 🐑

🥰

[chilly cobalt]

Someday ill catch some caydeeuhn pants to match my penance chest armor...

[cunning horizon]

I used the hellbore I shit at it because I’m a s tier s meaning shit aim

[oak gorge]

dont worry bro i play on controller

[tough tiger]

recon propaganda

[full nacelle]

I really want to like the hellbore

But I hate the charge shot

I just wish I could take the bayonet and put it on a gun less clunky

[dreamy spade]

Why has the zealot got a shovel🤨

[austere pine]

anybody else getting backed errors while signing in?

[viscid vessel]

I still main Helbore III, though, it does have the worst bayonet.

[trim hemlock]

Huh.

That’s… odd

[full tide]

What does this mean?

[elder fiber]

it means it costs more than other cosmetics

[forest breach]

fatshark quality stamp

[full tide]

ah, does any of the cosmetics have that robotic voice mod?

[midnight totem]

Hallowette premium

[trim hemlock]

It means that:

[dapper vessel]

it means PREMIUM

[trim steppe]

What do you guys think is the best way to farm headshots for the event? One of the shotguns with manstopper and scattershot?

[opaque crane]

If you want to be like hestia than you wanna have something with the fatshark quality stamp

[grizzled escarp]

Anyone know if we ever gonna get this shit in green?

[somber axle]

Damnit Fatshark
Ok time to burn money after work I guess

I want both of those skins and even without seeing the other classes I'm going to end up splurging way too much this week

[pseudo fiber]

It exists in green but has never been released I'm sure someone has the picture on hand

[grizzled escarp]

Also any ETA on the expanded weapon variety?

[pseudo fiber]

Some time this year

New weapons. As in new new weapons not marks.

[midnight totem]

Maybe next year

[somber axle]

NEW WEAPONS??

Did they say what they were going to be?

[grizzled escarp]

I just want something that lets me fulfil an LMG role for the Vet.

I don't need one of the heavier bitches that the enemies use just something that has like a 150 rounder drum mag.

[trim steppe]

Does Opening Salvo talent affect shotguns on their special ammo reload?

[pseudo fiber]

No just that they're happening

[gaunt hinge]

it should

[supple stag]

Is this Helbore salvageable?

[somber axle]

I want the Longlas tbh. Make it a proper scoped weapon in a primarily melee focused horde game. A lot of people will try it, be upset and swap back to Plasma or Revolver but THIS CLOWN cares not for how tricky or unwieldy a weapon is to use. I will use it gladly for AESTHETIC

[somber axle]

Unfortunate but at least we have an idea that the new weapons are happening at least

[somber axle]

This looks fine as is to me tbh. Could upgrade Surgical III to Surgical IV when you get the blessing. Carapace + Elite will help on Crusher TTK. It's a Helbore so everything should melt when you begin firing into it regardless. Plus it is a Mk I Helbore so it isn't nearly as hard to build for breakpoints as a Mk II. The only thing you might prefer having might be Flak for when you have to body shot Maulers but tbh with Carapace/Elite I feel like you could comfortably headshot Maulers instead and be fine

[supple stag]

I run focus target anyway so, I suppose it will be fine

I'll upgrade to Surgical 4 once I get it

[somber axle]

Yeah you'll be fine with it

[supple stag]

[somber axle]

It should put down heretics very well

[supple stag]

Since krieger outfit is back, wanted to try a themed loadout

with mk3 shovel

[somber axle]

Perfect timing for Helbore fun

Can't wait to get my Krieg skin

[supple stag]

I wanted to bite helbores anyway

[somber axle]

I've wanted a solid skin to go with Helbores and this one is perfect

[supple stag]

Tired Mk2 some time ago but it was miserable experience

[somber axle]

Mk II is objectively worse than a Mk I unless you get a God roll

Mk II needs Surgical, Weight of Fire, +Unarmoured perk (Dreg Gunner breakpoint), +Maniac perk (Flamer breakpoint). With all that and a good stat roll of 70+ charge rate and 75+ damage/stopping power it can clean rooms better than any gun in the game imo

I personally swap out Maniac perk for Carapace to get better Crusher breakpoints with it

Idc about 2 shots per Flamer instead of 1HKO Flamer kills

But I do very much prefer swapping from 5-7 shots to kill a Crusher bringing it down to just 2 shots to kill a Crusher

Mk I and Mk II both have the GOOD bayonet thrust so you'll be able to enjoy 1HKO bayonet stabbing dogs, stagger stabbing Ragers to death and quickly bayoneting a mutie in the back after a charge

Very very fun weapon

[sinful swallow]

Watch them trash longlas with the .3 sec surgical

[mental cloud]

I run a MKII on my Krieger and even without carapice armor it’s like 4-5 on crushers with my build the way it is. But you def have to roll a decent mkII.

[supple stag]

I think I'll stick to mk1

it feels so much better than 2

[somber axle]

That's very fair. Mk II is my personal fav but rolling her is the hardest part

Probably THE hardest gun to roll for in the game because it needs so much that will make or break the weapon

Very easy to brick it

[topaz lance]

One month till double barrel and bolt pistol

[wanton dawn]

Two month it is then

[somber axle]

Last week of December

[zinc hare]

finally, FINALLY I will get a Bolt Pistol

i will get to be the commissar I have been trying to build around for like a year

[wanton dawn]

Cant wait for a non-ads boltgun with lasgun hipfire precision, 6 ammo in the mag, 3s reload and 1.5s draw time

Also low maniac dmg for reason

[tall torrent]

[austere pine]

how do i get in game with this

has been going on for hours now

[candid agate]

im very happy the rogue trader cosmetics have come

i really wanted the veteran one

[grand perch]

also its bugged and builds up heat you cant vent

[rigid pilot]

shoots a bolt that doesnt even oneshot bruisers

im guessing they might make it a delayed detonating rocket or something

since zarona exists and all

[wanton dawn]

It shot krak grenade basically. But not as good

[craggy torrent]

im looking to use the boltgun
does anyone have an idea of what blessings work well?

[grand perch]

i think kraks are more of a shaped charge and less of an explodey rocket projectile

[rigid pilot]

maybe a smol version of the rumbler

[patent birch]

plas gunm Gets Hot?

[somber axle]

Pinning Fire and Surgical

[hexed wave]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[wanton dawn]

It will be bad at launch

[craggy torrent]

cheers

[woeful ibex]

wait

who gets the double barrel shotgun?

[wanton dawn]

Obv psyker

[trim steppe]

Guys, I think BM Rashad is the way to go with this event

[rigid pilot]

any brumo weapon would go hard

[somber axle]

Btw additional tip for Boltgun: the recent update buffed Bulwark and Crusher stagger resistance outside of their attack animations. You can still stagger break a Bulwark shield by firing into them but it will take 4-6 shots now dependent on how high your collateral stat is + how many Pinning Fire stats are active. If you use Executioner's Stance with a Collateral stat of 70+ (not sure on the exact value) you can use a simple hip fire shot to break the shield instantly. Executioner's Stance has a hidden buff to ranged impact damage and gives it enough strength to stagger a Bulwark shield with the two shot burst fire while hip firing the weapon

[analog mural]

I wonder what blessings and stats the bolt pistol will have. Finesse weapon with surgical hand cannon

[rigid pilot]

psword or ogryn shovel/shield

[analog mural]

How about any other class with a shield

Like zealot

[rigid pilot]

they probably getting the shotgun

might synergise alot better with the "increase attack speed after emptying mag"

[craggy torrent]

exe stance with boltgun?
now ur talking my language

[muted knot]

I just want to dual wield it with a powersword tbh

I doubt it tho

[analog mural]

Yeah I doubt that aswell

[somber axle]

I love Executioner's Stance. It's a must have for me when running Boltgun

[hardy ember]

So no hotspot lasguns yet?

[tall torrent]

no

[hollow ibex]

Brb going to go for that precious precious diamantine

[trim steppe]

Yeah you definitely don't want to miss adding another chuck of diamantine to the mountain

[hollow ibex]

Oddly appropriate reward for the first "event" in darktide

[serene bough]

snow map cool

[rigid pilot]

there was one last year that "unlocked" a new map

[hollow ibex]

Quite symbolic of the state of the entire game tbh

[trim steppe]

For real I was glad to get an extra stack of plasteel and ordos, but it was only about 3-4 mission's worth of both

[tall torrent]

Do these only track your own weakspot kills, or whole team’s weakspot kills?

[trim steppe]

The whole team's

[tall torrent]

it’s ez then

[trim steppe]

Yup yup very quick

[full nacelle]

Uh ohhhhh

they're deleting exe stance confirmed

[wise fossil]

Is the missing Secrets of the Machine God the reason why Hadron keeps giving me double lvl 3 blessings on 375+ bases?

[analog mural]

No the omnissiah is merely testing your resolve

[cedar horizon]

bolt pistol incoming.
now if we only could dual wield melee and pistols

[limpid hull]

erm anyone got any of the pics or info on the new weapons dropping?

[hardy ember]

Hotshot lasguns is what’s needed

It’s in the new article they posted @limpid hull ust

[limpid hull]

@hardy ember if you are talking about the one on steam, there are not new pictures or info.

unfortunately, I do not know where any other article might be, as there is no link i saw on steam. Ill check the disc tho

[hardy ember]

There’s no photo out yet. I would imagine they will be doing a trailer showing the new weapons close to release

[limpid hull]

heres hoping a generous data miner shows up

[hardy ember]

Probably not. And we already know what a bolt pistol looks like. But not in darktide. Nothing special

[somber axle]

Ooo maybe they're planning on completely changing the ability??

[orchid hemlock]

i got this lasgun the other day, and I wanted to do some penances for execution and marksman focus

this is what I have atm

this thin gun still eats up my ammo, I dont know how else to increase the crit rate 💀

[bitter turtle]

Wouldn't be surprised

[orchid hemlock]

reciprocity seems kinda useless atm on normal runs because im killing everything before they can shoot back at me 😔

[midnight totem]

Dead shot node

Remove reciprocity

[hearty panther]

reciprocity is something you build up in melee which also happens to be global crit

[midnight totem]

Reciprocity isn't that good... unless you're running melee

[hearty panther]

its not really for ranged, so to speak

[atomic zephyr]

anyone else getting backend errors all day?

[hearty panther]

the less you use your gun the better it is

[orchid hemlock]

but the stam gets eaten away in less than a second with recon 😔

[midnight totem]

Can't be helped

Stamina and stamina regen curios

[bitter turtle]

It's very unreliable in gunfights

Does not proc on elite gunners

[orchid hemlock]

ok ill give it a try but this is what I have now

[bitter turtle]

Only procs on the startup of a normal trash shooter barrage

[serene bough]

So what exactly is this skulls event

How2track progress

[hearty panther]

change that tdr above mf to the stam node imo

thats about it

[orchid hemlock]

tdr?

[bitter turtle]

Toughness damage reduction

Change it to stam regen delay

[hearty panther]

left instead of right

[orchid hemlock]

is it really that important?

[hearty panther]

very

[orchid hemlock]

or only if u go deadshot?

[hearty panther]

id argue theyre the two strongest plain nodes in the game

[bitter turtle]

It's a good node either way

And any build that needs stamina should consider it strongly

[orchid hemlock]

but I rarely see anyone grab it

or is it because it's soo deep in the left tree

[bitter turtle]

Where

On reddit?

Cause some ppl here (not me) put it on literally every build lmao

[elder oriole]

the stamina regen delay reduction is good to a point where i pickup both on some builds and forego a keystone

[hearty panther]

most of my builds are a variety of the above

[midnight totem]

I don't use it, even if I'm stamina heavy, but I'm a melee build that goes right

[elder oriole]

i take shout but the general idea is the same

[bitter turtle]

But again, what os this build

Recon meme?

[midnight totem]

But if I'm going deadshot, I'd def consider it

[bitter turtle]

Do smthing like this if you insist on exec recon

The sad part is you would save an extra pt going voc lol

[orchid hemlock]

focus or specialist builds

[somber axle]

On the bright side you're using a Recon Mk VIIa which is the slowest firing variant. You could probably get away with using just 2 Stam curios instead of all 3

[orchid hemlock]

im out of ortho docks 😔

i have 1 stam curio

[bitter turtle]

Just do no deadshot

Like in the build I posted

[full nacelle]

Anyone try melee vet? Thinking about running one with a Kantrael shotty.

[hexed wave]

I hope this becomes a new pose/emote

[bitter turtle]

Honestly you should be taking rending strikes minimum for recon

[somber axle]

Oh! Try Duck and Dive. Dodging ranged enemy shots will help with Stam regen

[bitter turtle]

The ADM is trash across the board

[somber axle]

Join me

Put on the clown shoes

AND DANCE

[orchid hemlock]

i have no grenades?

[full nacelle]

I'm all about that clown life

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

Demo team

For grenade regen

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-gif-small-cat-tiny-cat-gif-25768449

[bitter turtle]

Since you go exec

It costs 2 pts to get stockpile

Demo team is good enough that I'd rather save the 1 pt

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ferret-dance-furão-furão-dançando-gif-18399375

[bitter turtle]

Stockpile is better but not twice as better

[orchid hemlock]

why soo muchy rending tho?

[bitter turtle]

Again

Recon has trash adm

[full nacelle]

that's a great question

[bitter turtle]

Like across the board

[full nacelle]

let me find out where to find it

[bitter turtle]

Half the targets are at at 50 or 60 percent modifier

[full nacelle]

Ah I wish but I have to get going soon!

Oh I found it 1348779004

Oh damn, impressive! I was probably going to run shovel

or pickaxe if that's for vet next update

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[bitter turtle]

Those are the modifier nerfs

Recon got

Flak/unyielding/maniac all go down to 50 and 70 at best lol

So even 20 percent rending isn't wasted

[somber axle]

Is Vet getting pickaxe?

[full nacelle]

god I hope so

sounds sick

[somber axle]

I thought it was going to be an Ogryn weapon by the wording

[full nacelle]

Ah you might be right

[somber axle]

Though the comma might be separating it as distinct

[full nacelle]

idk what a bolt pistol is

[bitter turtle]

It's a bolter

[somber axle]

So ogryn 2 handed weapons could be the pickaxe or they could be something else they wanted to keep close to the chest

[bitter turtle]

In hand format

[somber axle]

Boltgun but small

[full nacelle]

Ah then yeah... I guess pickaxes would be ogryn

[somber axle]

The big mailbox weapon that kicks hard and explodes when it hits things

[wanton dawn]

Finished my day

[full nacelle]

ayyy congrats

[wanton dawn]

Might do a few games but idk, getting bored

[full nacelle]

Do you have a build I could look at?

[orchid hemlock]

this recon is ok but why does it use soo much ammo

[bitter turtle]

Because it's a bad gun

[somber axle]

It uses 2 ammo per shot fired

The other variants use 1 ammo per shot

Mk VId fires fastest so it chews through ammo faster I think

Mk II is the weakest variant

Mk VIIa makes up for the extra ammo cost by having bullet cleave

[tall torrent]

most people don't have good builds lol

[wanton dawn]

Recon can be made average at best with an optimal build

[bitter turtle]

The 7 also does 2x dmg per shot than 6

[somber axle]

I like comparing the Recon Mk VIIa to a Kantrael Mg1a Infantry Lasgun. They're very similar for what they do

Comparing them to guns like the Infantry Autoguns, Plasma or Revolver is a weird thing because those are very different categories of weapons with different roles, strengths and weaknesses

[full nacelle]

very true... even I go back and tweak mine and see lots of small ways to improve

most folks just go with their gut and what sounds cool

[somber axle]

A Recon Mk VIIa and a Kantrael Mg1a Infantry Lasgun both excel at clearing ranged threats, especially rooms full of elite and non-elite shooters. They struggle against armour. A Revolver and Plasma excel at dealing with elites including armoured variants like Crushers, Maulers and Flak Ragers but any Vet trying to clear a room of 20+ non-elite shooters spread out behind cover with a Revolver/Plasma is blowing through ammo and killing them much slower

They all deal with specials and non-armoured elites fine

They're just made for different purposes

[wanton dawn]

I blow trough ammo killing shooter with ciag atm

[full nacelle]

I'm working rn lol

psh lucky

[somber axle]

Most people value elites/specials as top priority (as they should) so ranged trash are very low priority and it's why most people turn up their noses at both the Recons and the Kantrael Lasguns in favour of Revolver/Plasma

[somber axle]

Yeah even CIAG is eating ammo quick firing into non-elite ranged

[wanton dawn]

In about 10 min maybe

[somber axle]

But man playing through Psyker, Zealot and Ogryn made me appreciate my Lasguns even more on Veteran because it is incredibly stupid watching a squad go down to ranged trash because the squad is trying their hardest to ignore them hoping someone else will deal with them while they fight other things

[patent birch]

with power sword specials do both Mk's get 1 swing before it goes away?

[orchid hemlock]

yeah i cant deal with this, going back to infantry

[bitter turtle]

Power cycler boosts it to 3 swings max

[patent birch]

is that a perk

[orchid hemlock]

what a pain in the ass penance

[bitter turtle]

Blessing

Yes

[patent birch]

ty

slaughterer and that i assume?

[bitter turtle]

No

[somber axle]

I ended up maining Gorgonum Twinstubber on a Skull Crusher talent build for my Ogryn while farming Heavy Hitter 5000 kills just because I was tired of my squads consistently failing to deal with ranged trash in quickplay so I decided to just bring something that could do it myself

[patent birch]

o

[bitter turtle]

Slaughterer is not optimal

Bromentum or sunder

[patent birch]

but good

[bitter turtle]

Do you call

3rd or 4th place good

Or 5th place

Even

[patent birch]

how many people are in the race

[lilac kayak]

Don't bother getting t4 cycler to save yourself from the agony

[bitter turtle]

Idk like 7 or 8?

[wanton dawn]

6

[bitter turtle]

It's

Oh

Less than I thought

[wanton dawn]

Or i forgot the terrible one

[bitter turtle]

Anyway it's like the 4th or 5th best blessing

[patent birch]

isnt it j rng?

[bitter turtle]

I think there should be 7 at least

[lilac kayak]

yes

[bitter turtle]

Cycler, bromentum, sunder, slaughterer, rampage, wrath, supercharge

[patent birch]

ive played games with way worse rng (BDO)

[bitter turtle]

Am I missing something

Anyway I don't suggest slaughterer

It's just objectively worse

[dreamy spade]

Does marksman apply for melee too

I dont trust fatshark

[patent birch]

but if i dont have brom then it is what it is till i get it

[bitter turtle]

Well you are still fishing for cycler no

[patent birch]

just starting today

[bitter turtle]

Frankly I don't think psword is using without cycler 3 at last

[patent birch]

i either wanna use p sword or chain axe for melee vet

and plas or bolt gun

[tall torrent]

7
Brutal Momentum
Power Cycler
Supercharge
Sunder
Slaughterer
Rampage
Wrath

[wanton dawn]

yeah, i forgot wrath

[somber axle]

Chainaxe XII with Trench Fighter talent increasing melee attack speed +10% and Weapon Specialist keystone for the Melee Specialist buff increasing attack speed more (+15% I think?) makes Chainaxe feel SO GOOD for swinging through hordes

[patent birch]

🫡

[somber axle]

And you still get the raw power for chewing up and spitting out Crushers and Maulers

[patent birch]

talent by u mean blessing

[somber axle]

A very delicious Chainaxe

[tall torrent]

It also just happens to be one of the slowest horde clear in the game

[somber axle]

Trench Fighter? It's a talent near the bottom right of the talent tree just above the Weapon Specialist keystone

[patent birch]

feeling good and being good are different 9557

[supple stag]

I swear by rashad if I am not power swording

[tall torrent]

There’re other feeling good weapons with the exact same talent set that do horde clear way better
Chainaxe is a specialized anti-armor tool and that’s about it

[velvet storm]

how the freak do i do the special event

the one that came out today

[patent birch]

get headshots

thats the whole "event"

[velvet storm]

oh i thought it wasa missio nor something

wtf

[somber axle]

That more speaks to how many weapons have insanely good horde clear tbh. Like yeah Chainsword, Catachan Sword and Power Sword all clear hordes fast and easy. Rashad Mk II Axe when built on a godroll with the right talent set up will mulch hordes. Shovels all slap hordes silly. But people love Knife and the wave clear on Knife is subpar

[tall torrent]

Ur not gonna believe this but CB6 with executor + haymaker clears hordes faster than headtaker + slaughterer on Mk12 chainaxe

It’s just really funny

[somber axle]

You don't really take Knife for fast wave clear anyway. It's just a very solid mobility tool that can chew up and spit out Crushers, Maulers and Flak Ragers while still having passable horde kill potential with the right melee combo

[supple stag]

Watch Hadron brick it

[patent birch]

wi got brutal

:D

[dreamy spade]

NO BRICK

not 25% but

[somber axle]

I would believe it but Knife isn't a stagger tool while Chainaxe is so the Chainaxe at least has the advantage of slapping them around to keep them around a bunch to keep them unable to strike back (and the disadvantage of throwing them wide to your flanks to sneak up on you if you're not careful)

[patent birch]

mk3 or 4 psword?

whats the diff

[tall torrent]

This is salvageable
AoN -> headtaker
Crit dmg -> unarmored

[tall torrent]

It’s not mk4, it’s mk6

[somber axle]

Plus like

[patent birch]

myb

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is generally better

[patent birch]

glasses off rn

[somber axle]

Does anyone realistically take Haymaker/Executor on a Knife

[tall torrent]

Mk3 may have 1 funny interaction with sunder vs ragers

[supple stag]

MK6 is more versitile

[tall torrent]

Executor, yea

[somber axle]

Don't people go all in on either bleeds with Lacerate or use Uncanny with Riposte/Mercy Killer/etc.

[tall torrent]

Executor CB6 is not bad at all

[patent birch]

so how much does Rating matter

should i level up this rating 313 psword its a good roll

[tall torrent]

People that go all in on bleed simply have no idea what they’re doing

[tall torrent]

Stat distribution & optimal perks and blessings > rating

[somber axle]

I know but it's the most common Knife build I've seen for quickplay LMFAO

[patent birch]

but not damage?

really

[somber axle]

I know why too

[tall torrent]

That doesn’t mean it’s good, it means most people are dumb

And that’s ok

[wanton dawn]

I tested bleed knife once

It was terrible

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat did you know that your Veteran has a secret voiceline for maniacal laughter when you're bleed knifing through a horde??

[supple stag]

I am wondering what I could grab for my Mk 6 knife on Vet outside of uncanny

[tall torrent]

Dmg is part of stat distribution

[tall torrent]

Executor

Or mercy

[tall torrent]

Wot

[somber axle]

My Loose Cannon girl is having the time of her life with a bleed Knife even if it is objectively weaker than other Knife blessings

[tall torrent]

What’s the voiceline

[supple stag]

Mercy would require serrated blade

[tall torrent]

Maybe it’s a loose cannon only thing

[somber axle]

My Loose Cannon girl begins cackling like a Hyena and yelling "More!" while stabbing through a horde with the bleed Knife and I've literally only heard it while using bleed Knife and nothing else

[tall torrent]

Yes and it gets consistent all major breakpoints without crit

[wanton dawn]

I tested vrak 7 recently

[supple stag]

Aye, will test each of them

[somber axle]

Using non-bleed Knife she doesn't say it and idk why

[supple stag]

Planning to run an Infiltrate build with knife

[tall torrent]

I think executor is more general purpose

[wanton dawn]

V7 felt like feast or famine gunnified

[tall torrent]

It really is

[wanton dawn]

not my jam

[supple stag]

V7 is bae

[wanton dawn]

Rofl, forgot I had this crap in my stash

[bitter turtle]

Only on maniacs really

The headshot dependence vs maniacs is pretty severe though

[velvet storm]

bro this game is so fucked

i was getting 60 fps and down to 25 fps in another mission for literally no apparent reason

[bitter turtle]

You can 1tap gunners on a crit bodyshot even f you miss the head tho

[velvet storm]

like i cant even play

wtf is this shit

[orchid hemlock]

Do u have that Nvidia AA tech?

[tall torrent]

Check worker threads

And DLSS

Maybe frame gen

[orchid hemlock]

Another thing u can do is turn on frame generator on GeForce

[tall torrent]

What’s that

[velvet storm]

idk how many workers threads i should use

im just using the default

[tall torrent]

DLSS frame gen is only for 40 series

[tall torrent]

Try 8

[velvet storm]

i dont evne have that option

i have 4 cores and can use max of 6 workers threads

[tame lodge]

Cutthroats mock you for feeling the heat of a plasma gun, LC likes bleeding knives, now I need to know what my Professional likes

[tall torrent]

Uh

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

maybe 5?

[velvet storm]

thats what i been using

[orchid hemlock]

Go to GeForce experience and then settings

On the bottom left corner tell me what u see

[velvet storm]

wdym bottom left corner

there aint nothin

[orchid hemlock]

Just screenshot it then

[paper brook]

That DLAA go crazy

[velvet storm]

https://gyazo.com/f3a185ccd02b2ccbf9a85a458329986f

[orchid hemlock]

Turn on image scaling

Bottom

Set it to 20%

For now

[velvet storm]

doesnt that make it look like asshole

[hearty panther]

do you want it to run or do you want it to look great while it runs like shit

[last parcel]

why would that make it look like your mouth

[velvet storm]

i mean, i have had the game run well enough before

its just been worse lately

[orchid hemlock]

No

Unless u have like a 4k monitor

Also in the control panel, to squeeze a few more frames. Turn on performance power mode

[austere pine]

i tried an antax i got and all it seems like is a "heavier" rashad with a slower, more hefty attack pattern

with not much advantage attached to it

can anybody confirm my thoughts on this?

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh tho, if you don't have DLSS, u are fucked in this game

Horrifically optimized

[tropic imp]

The main advantage is the push attack, it's a lot better

Otherwise, rashad all the way

[tall torrent]

Antax is Rashad with better moveset but slower atk speed & less dmg

[austere pine]

since its attack speed is worse but dmg better, would it work on an attack speed focusing zealot build?

[junior needle]

So what are the rewards for the new "event"

[tall torrent]

It does less dmg than Rashad and has worse atk speed

[junior needle]

I heard it's literally all crafting resources

[tall torrent]

Dockets & crafting mats yea

[full nacelle]

what even is the event?

[junior needle]

[full nacelle]

you just get more rewards based on headshots or something?

[junior needle]

How do I bring up the menu in game to check this

I want to take a screenshot for posterity

[tall torrent]

Press tactical overlay keybind

Same keybind u use to check contracts & tracked penance progress

[junior needle]

That's uhhhhh

[full nacelle]

tab

[austere pine]

so what's the point of the antax? literally just a better push attack?

[tame lodge]

Either Tab on keyboard or Select on controller

[full nacelle]

and yeah... you just get rewards based on how many headshot kills you get

lame

😐

ah well... more materials to gamble away

[junior needle]

thamks

lol

lmao

Thanks obesefish

[full nacelle]

they prefer to be called fartshart

[austere pine]

the machine spirit doesn't favor me this day

how may i repent

[tall torrent]

Much better special

[somber axle]

Oh ok Skulls event objective rewards sound like they're not that important

[austere pine]

FS's back end can't log me in no matter what i do

[somber axle]

Kinda sad no special cosmetics but also at least I don't have to care that much now

[untold mulch]

Sees new info of the update

At least the commisars are gonna be happy

[junior needle]

There better be a new class

Or I sleep

[austere pine]

took me so long to know what the meme was getting at

because of my light dabbling in fencing i know what epee is supposed to be pronounced like

good meme soldier

[untold mulch]

yeah no way

[wanton dawn]

Rofl that event

[untold mulch]

I would make some popcorn if I had any left on the shelves

[wanton dawn]

"Play the game normally"

[untold mulch]

I swear, they shot themselves in the foot with handguns

feel like they should have been able to be paired with one handed melee

fair enough, still. IMO very sloppy work

like they don't predesign weapon archetypes

and just slap according to the mood of the single worker still doing jackshit

I wouldn't be surprised

the statements of DT having the biggest team

is either a blatant lie

or is every single incompetent part of the ocmpany in one studio

[tall torrent]

maybe AoE stagger is a selling point

[wanton dawn]

Maybe it will use some of 'em special ammunitions

[somber axle]

Tinfoil Hat Time: the update that brings new weapons is going to nerf the current meta weapons so far into the dirt hell discovers a new 10th layer for them. Columnus Infantry Autogun, Plasma and Revolver get shoved into C or D tier weapons. Boltgun gets buffed into A tier status. New Double Barrel Shotgun and Boltpistol replace what old Revolver could do and people rage for a month until Fatshark reverts some nerfs

[wanton dawn]

There is no way a new weapon is good

they always launch underpowered

[tame lodge]

Acceptable

[junior needle]

I dunno about both revolvers being "super strong", one of them yeah

[untold mulch]

The design space of this game is gonna be a pain in the ass

doesn't help their three variant system

[junior needle]

Can the agri still do the psyk warrior boss meme

[tall torrent]

MkV latrine shovel, CB6 and MkVII sapper shovel are the only 3 weapons from TC2 that I enjoy

[junior needle]

If you use a particular setup built around it

And then its uh

Yikes at other things

[neat stratus]

I am great epee

[untold mulch]

Obligatory from me

Hellgun when? leaves

[neat stratus]

You know what I think I might've just been having cpu bottlenecks this whole time because of worker threads

[untold mulch]

Remember when Catfish joked of Vets deserving a Hellgun as a treat?

I remember

[junior needle]

The accuracy on it just kills me

Very unpleasant to use

[neat stratus]

So anyways I hear we're getting a bolt pistol

[junior needle]

I tried it on my zealot

Felt like absolute dog

Didn't melt bosses either

Or anything really

I saw what you posted

[somber axle]

Zealot isn't really the class for building a ranged boss killer set up anyway

[junior needle]

12888 damage on a single shot seems like there's some broken damage interaction

I'm immensely curious what you need for that

And if it's still possible

[somber axle]

Literally taking THE most melee focused class and trying to make it play like Vet is a lesson in pain

[untold mulch]

I mean, in this chat people routinely play Vet as a budget Zealot anyways

[junior needle]

They're separate multipliers aren't they

[somber axle]

You're right but it's still funny. Not haha Recon Reclown funny but pretty close

Idk about that. It can do some wild things but strongest class overall? Or most versatile?

I'd absolutely say it is the most versatile class

[tall torrent]

it's prob the best solo class by far

[somber axle]

I would say other classes do certain things better

[tall torrent]

rashad + zarona just cooks

it's hard to beat a fully juiced up rashad

[somber axle]

No one deletes a Daemonhost/Plogryn/Chaos Spawn in melee like a Zealot imo. Ogryns can bully the Twins like no other

[tall torrent]

veteran hits higher numbers

[bitter turtle]

It's really not that bad

Just stand still before firing

You should get accurate shots up to 20m ish

If you strafe while shooting it's kinda bad

But

[tame lodge]

Oh right the axe
The axe with unyielding
The unyielding with the axe
The axe

[bitter turtle]

Fair ig

[somber axle]

Yes I've seen your vids and literally the top 1% of Vets is not something realistically achievable for the vast majority of Vets. The average quickplay Vet is not doing anything close to what you do both in Damnation and Auric Damnation. I would absolutely believe Veteran is your strongest solo class. I would not say it is THE strongest solo class

[bitter turtle]

Also agri isn't even like absolutely terrible at elites

[tall torrent]

if u got time we can go over my updated weapon pages in dm

[bitter turtle]

I use it in melee mael

Does ok enough

[tall torrent]

dm or here

[somber axle]

Though yeah I also love demolishing Daemonhosts with Krak but I like doing it with my Chainaxe XII

My Thammer Zealot just does it better than my Vet though

[somber axle]

Idk about that. For boss damage? On comparable skill level across classes? Or do you mean just overall higher numbers on elite/special/horde damage and kills?

I've seen some pretty crazy Psykers doing numbers

[junior needle]

The first shot can be decently, but over range and especially on additional shots it's really bad on the fan

[tall torrent]

one sec

ok review time

go

[somber axle]

Tha sounds silly and what you do in games sounds insane. You play with numbers like no other. But I've seen a lot more Zealots who could play games solo than Veterans who could

[serene bough]

agri revolver is kind of growing on me

[somber axle]

And melee Vets are pretty rare

[serene bough]

but its definitely worse than the zarona

[tall torrent]

mainly for radar chart rating and combo used

perks & blessings are more or less decided

[bitter turtle]

It already 1 taps most specials

You shouldn't need to fan more than 2 bullets at range

[tall torrent]

lemme know any change u wanna suggest

I purposefully not included that cuz I rly consider thunderous a bugged interaction

it kind of is and kind of isn't

yuri and I tried it

flesh is good

[somber axle]

They definitely are very strong talents. I'd still probably lean more into Zealot as the best solo class though. Deleting boss spawns faster than your teams in quickplay is cool but I've also seen Thammer Zealot builds that literally 1HKO bosses and there's nothing faster than a 1 tap

[candid agate]

may you show me the axe build this was done with?

[bitter turtle]

I'm running flesh tearer still but idk if I'm missing something, I still would just call it decent and not ultra high

[candid agate]

thanks

[tall torrent]

I can move both PS stagger to rating 5

up by 1

[bitter turtle]

I've actually grown fond of flesh tearer just to flexibly fill in bps

Like rager 1 tap or crusher 2 tap

[junior needle]

I think we've had this conversation before

[bitter turtle]

We have

[tall torrent]

alr done, PS3 and PS6 are both stagger 5

[bitter turtle]

Fanning is just for boss and shtf moments

[junior needle]

It's still a sizably worse zarona at everything but boss gimmicks with what I can only assume to be busted damage interactions

[bitter turtle]

Ok yes

It's worse than the best gun in the game

For vet at least

[junior needle]

What happened to plasma and ciag

[bitter turtle]

Plasma and revolver share top spot imo

Ciag after

That's just imo

It's still s tier gun

Do you also look at agri shotgun and v7 and say "well it's worse than plasma and revolver so it's shit"

[candid agate]

whats Ciag stand for

[bitter turtle]

Columnus iag

[candid agate]

thanks

[tall torrent]

Everything else is clear except PS3 & PS6 having 6~7 stagger

I think I’ll keep it at 6

I ran out of space

[junior needle]

It's usually ciag

[bitter turtle]

How do you get flesh knife to actually kill faster than chs

[tall torrent]

And it really wasn’t as crazy horde clear as I thought

[junior needle]

Because there's no other iag that begins with c

[tall torrent]

I could never replicate ur 63 dmg per tick on bleed

Mine is 44

[neat stratus]

Guys Ive done the impossible

I got the game to run at 75 fps with 2018-19 hardware

On high settings

without overclocks

[tall torrent]

I’ve had more success with executor & mercy personally speaking

[bitter turtle]

In dense situations it should still lose to chs right?

I just wanna make sure im not missing something abt it

Lol

Since I p much only use uncanny flesh knife now over other blessing

[tall torrent]

Basically if knife gets to fight a bunch of enemies in small groups one after another it’s really fast with flesh

[bitter turtle]

Yeah ok that makes sense

[tall torrent]

In a super dense horde it loses to basically everything else

[candid agate]

one day i will understand a word you folks are saying lmao

[bitter turtle]

Cus I was doing it against 100 pox

[tall torrent]

That’s why I ended up preferring executor

[bitter turtle]

Hard to beat the ultimate bm wep

Lel

[wanton dawn]

damn, hadn't add overkill like that in maelstrom since limbsplitter bm hellbore

[tall torrent]

Didn’t that get patched

When it was a thing it was very funny

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but am vet

[tall torrent]

Do u wanna go over ranged weapons now as well

[bitter turtle]

SMH everything fun gets patched

Jk

[tall torrent]

I only have shotgun section unfinished

Cuz I decided to overhaul that part to include min pellet count system and shotguns’ weird cleave values

I can send those

[candid agate]

embrace infantry lasgun fun

[tall torrent]

Oh so surgical only

I can remove that from XIV

Ok

Alr

Check the 2 pages I sent

[wanton dawn]

I still don't think plasma is ammo constrained but I guess i am the only one to think that

[tall torrent]

The ammo rating is mostly based off consumption vs usage

[bitter turtle]

Btw

Idk if you noted this

[tall torrent]

It’s cost vs return mostly

[bitter turtle]

But for run n gun

[tall torrent]

Run n gun has accuracy & close dmg boost

[bitter turtle]

The close range dmg only applies if you hipfire during the sprint

[tall torrent]

Yes

Elite hits it with 15% elite talent

[bitter turtle]

Elite hits it

[tall torrent]

2 crits to head

[bitter turtle]

And ok just making sure that was noted

I only found out a few days ago

[wanton dawn]

What plasma has is crappy ammo pickup because 50% of its reserve is in its mag

[candid agate]

fellas whats the best helbore lasgun and what build should i have for it, wanna try it out

[bitter turtle]

Mk1 or 2

[tall torrent]

That’s why elite + maniac is the best combination imo (maniac gets Dreg rager crit bodyshot 1 tap)

[candid agate]

thanks

[wanton dawn]

So little ammo is 7.5% and big ammo is 25%

[tall torrent]

I mean, u can only 1 tap something so hard

That’s also why maniac is not underlined

It’s a niche BP that’s not entirely necessary

No

Off by quite a bit

With agile + superiority maybe ?

Haven’t tested that

Just the radar chart tho, any changes u wanna make

[wanton dawn]

kinda funny that vet arguably strongest build is agile abuser now

[tall torrent]

Cost return ratio is much lower than most other guns + can’t shoot at everything

[bitter turtle]

Has been since keystones no?

[lethal anvil]

Fellas which helbore do y'all recommend

[tall torrent]

Yea but u don’t shoot every single stalker

[bitter turtle]

Mk 1 or 2

[tall torrent]

U pop 1 shot for WS buff then go back to melee

[wanton dawn]

surv nerf helped

[bitter turtle]

Feels like rashad volver or plasma with ws has been the do everything build for a while now

[tall torrent]

Give BM as 7th blessing to Helbore

Weakspot kills (including ranged attacks) go through 4 enemies

Crit bodyshot 1 tap flamer & gunner for extra consistency
Also much easier to manage than blaze away

[wanton dawn]

arguablwe

[bitter turtle]

Crusher 2 tap too on 1 crit

Not sure about blaze away

[tall torrent]

Blaze needs a couple stacks to get non-crit mauler 2 tap

[wanton dawn]

get hot can be frontloaded on switch

[serene bough]

What do we think the bolt pistol will be like

[wanton dawn]

bad

[tall torrent]

Besides ammo, do the other radar chart stuff look fine

[tall torrent]

Battle of mid: Mk10 Laspistol vs bolt pistol

Thx

Appreciate ur input

[serene bough]

im guessing the bolt pistol will have much faster reload speed but less damage than the bolter

so i guess its somewhat mid

[tall torrent]

Trying to not suggest the best course of action is to dump 8M dockets to get a Rashad

It’s usually fine if u don’t shoot it that much

[elder fiber]

no its fine for ammo a lot of people just go fucking crazy with it

like magdumping bruisers or hordes

[tall torrent]

If u use it for every single elite wave and pop every gunner then it runs into deficiency about halfway through?

[bitter turtle]

I mean everything is fine except shredder autopistol if played properly but some but some guns can click on trash hordes nonstop and still come out ok

While others should only click on elites

[hearty panther]

see thats the msitake ur making ur supposed to shoot the plasma gun at any enemy group larger than 3 regardless of what unit it is

also i cant BELIEVE they DESTROYED US with that survivalist nerf amirite guys

[bitter turtle]

3 poxbutsters in your face

Checkmate

[elder fiber]

wdym larger than 3 I really need to shoot that one poxwalker that the zealot is swinging at

[tall torrent]

Also I have figured out what all the veteran-available weapon blessings do

I can send if u wanna see

It’s all reviewed & checked

[hearty panther]

i stopped taking survivalist so that the types of people who leave games because of no survivalist go ahead and do exactly that cause fuck em

[bitter turtle]

Same tbh, feels good that the nerf basically doesn't exist for me kek

[tall torrent]

(Most of them do not work the way they’re described)

[bitter turtle]

I stopped taking surv cause I hated having to take fucking

Catch a breath

[elder fiber]

doing the emperor's work

[hearty panther]

agile engagement gang rise up

[bitter turtle]

Or get back into the fight

Actual trash talents

[hearty panther]

vet tree just bonkers

[tall torrent]

Did u know that deathspitter buffs ur melee dmg

Fire frenzy too

[hearty panther]

just one more point and id go wild

[bitter turtle]

I like how it is, I rly don't like ogryn and psyker trees