mostly use it for penance only
#veteran-class
stuck basin
somber axle
Smoke grenades are magical in the hands of someone with the braincells to know when and where to deploy them
bitter turtle
somber axle
The problem is most people are playing head empty no thoughts
somber axle
Just give shredders to people who don't wanna think because they can't really fuck up throwing those other than accidentally tossing them over a ledge to no effect
hidden timber
yay or nay to fix up?
tall torrent
Bricked imo
hidden timber
oof
bitter turtle
I wouldn't really bother unless you don't have anything elsw
hidden timber
what do u want then?
bitter turtle
Maniac/elite/carapace
Unyielding is... OK but got worse cause of the buff to bulwarks, it basically only is for monstro dmg now
Cycler iv and bromentum/sunder
tame lodge
Not sure if someone mentioned but bombers target the floor or at least close to where you are standing, I guess smokes aren't coded to mess with that
frank ether
Explosive dmg got reduced ADM vs monsters & carapace
ah, right
is that why krak feels so mid nowadays
hidden timber
bruh i rerolled the same blessings
bitter turtle
Not sure if someone mentioned but bombers target the floor or at least close to ...
I wonder why mutants are immune then
hidden timber
still fucked?
tall torrent
still fucked?
Yes
bitter turtle
Stats are better but blessing/perks are even more fucked
tame lodge
I wonder why mutants are immune then
Yeah, it's weird, my theory is that the dive tank must dive
tall torrent
I wonder why mutants are immune then
I think they might spawn with the target already picked?
sinful swallow
I think they might spawn with the target already picked?
This
They'll recheck after they hit something iirc
How does rending math work again
If you do .5 to carapace and have 10% rending do you do .55 or .6
Also just remembered plague toads
tall torrent
How does rending math work again
0.5% +10% = 10.5%
thorn lark
i will crouch no more
white minnow
additive, so you'd do .6 damage
bitter turtle
If you do .5 to carapace and have 10% rending do you do .55 or .6
Add it on to the multiplier
50% adm with 10% rending becomes 60%
frigid hare
ok so i was doing some weird meme shit with infernus rending recon lasgun and i saw that MF has a "10% rending at 10 stacks" node under it
would people say that it's feasible to consistently hit 10 MF stacks with recon lasgun, or should i be taking camouflage
agile forge
I feel like I like camouflage for the sake of boss MF stack uptime
it's hard to keep your buff stack vs monsters
I like the idea of the 15 stack version more but monsters always kill it for me
bear in mind that you get 10% rending 100% of the time if you take the talent from the middle leg though @frigid hare
frigid hare
hmm yeah i think i barely have talent points to grab that and MF+rending+camouflage and brittleness on-hit from the right tree
maybe this is too memey though lol
like i can't fit in grenade regen
rigid pilot
Probably get onslaught and call it a day
full nacelle
Best shotgun for Veteran go!
full nacelle
Agripinaa one, no questions asked
Sweet! What blessings do you like on it? Full Bore and Manstopper seems like fun
trim hemlock
Definitely at least No Respite
trim hemlock
The other blessing can be Full Bore or Deathspitter
gray finch
that the best shotgun
trim hemlock
holy shit the mobility
lol. Lmao even
full nacelle
that the best shotgun
true... who needs to dodge when everything is dead?
gray finch
true
full nacelle
Definitely at least No Respite
I forgot about No Respite... But I really like the idea of infinite cleave railgun shotgun 🤔
trim hemlock
I’m not going to Manstop you, if you know what I mean 
full nacelle
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
trim hemlock
But you’re going to have to build for somewhat consistent critical hits to make use of it
full nacelle
Oh you know what... I forgot my build relied on scattershot for that crit chance
hmmm
gonna have to think about this one
trim hemlock
I’m mainly trying to justify the shotgun in a non-meme loadout
That is where you will need No Respite to effectively dome some bigger targets if you don’t kill them in 1 shot
full nacelle
gotcha, makes sense
I was trying out a Lawbringer crit build that seemed fun if a little bit stupid
but the Agripinaa seems like the most viable with its special ammo
trim hemlock
Oh yeah, if there’s any shotgun I would want to use Scatterstopper on, it would be the Lawbringer
rocky jacinth
kantrael shotty is my friend and lover
i use it like a quickdraw weapon with weapons specialist and agile engagement
rocky jacinth
I run no respite/scattershot, crits already have huge cleave and I don't want to give up any damage
1 shotting reapers up close and elites at a distance is cool
near bough
https://tenor.com/view/gaming-lag-the-lag-gif-26319203
The fucking Minecraft killed me
craggy ridge
Anyone have a favorite tac axe for Vet? Been meaning to try it out
craggy ridge
I'll give it a shot, thanks!
bitter turtle
their one niche is having a very high critical rate
since they have high base crit +shred
but i dont think vet can really make anything out of that
unlike zealot
bitter turtle
i mean if you got a unicorn taxe build for vet lmk
i just dont think it does naything better than
anything else
as far as vet melee is concerned
usable yes
rocky jacinth
it's just that uh, it does zero damage to bosses
rocky jacinth
it's good enough to one shot cleave through ragers
here give it a try, it's super fun
- your favorite mk2 revolver, +3 stam, toughness, health curios, stam regen and sprint efficiency on everything
bitter turtle
it's good enough to one shot cleave through ragers
you might want to add a caveat
that
its on a crit with 5 headtaker stacks and agile engagement
lol
just tried it
rashad does the same thing on a crit without needing agile fwiw
taxe just doesn't really have an especially unique niche to abuse on vet
rocky jacinth
yeah it's with all the buffs obviously, but they're all up in combat
rocky jacinth
taxe just doesn't really have an especially unique niche to abuse on vet
true, but i like it over combat axe for one particular reason
you get to GO FAST
bitter turtle
even with high attackspeed
stacking up 5 headtaker and then hitting a rager and then critting
you gotta admit
rocky jacinth
it's like knife except you turn hordes into mulch like a power sword
bitter turtle
is a very niche and narrow scenario
headtaker stacks all disappear when swapping
so you have to stack it up again from 0 on a swap
rocky jacinth
HEHEHEH
bitter turtle
doesnt take that long but you only have 5 seconds to do that and then heavy a rager and then hope you crit with only 20% crit or so
bitter turtle
idk what im supposed to be looking at
rocky jacinth
that's 5 stacks of headtaker after getting the buff from agile with a gun
the stacks return, they stick
they only disappear when you have your gun out
tame lodge
Doesn't tac axe have better lights against maniacs due to adm or am I tripping?
frank monolith
👀
bitter turtle
Doesn't tac axe have better lights against maniacs due to adm or am I tripping?
caxe does
taxe doesn't
though the adm vs maniac isnt very much better doing heavies
so you probably still dps more ust spamming a light
tame lodge
Oh, I might have confused the axes lol, thx
bitter turtle
at least on taxe 4 you basically just spam lights all day because the heavies are usually not worth it
but that's on zealot so idk
prob not the case for the others though
rocky jacinth
tac axe 2 has cleaving heavies but they're kind of slow, so against single targets you do want to just mash m1 if you have a good angle
special action can stun ragers, maulers and such for easy, safe kills
bitter turtle
the stagger probably isnt worth on mauler tbh
iirc they gain some resistance to it
and they're easy to dodge in the first place so
rocky jacinth
yeah it's not, they drop super fast regardless on bodyshots
i almost never stun because dodging is required to upkeep reciprocity anyhow
bitter turtle
iirc
rocky jacinth
oh and revolver one shot of course
bitter turtle
you used to be able to break bulwark guard afew a a number of them
but
probably not anymore
rocky jacinth
doubt it
bitter turtle
not that it was very practical before in thef irst place
rocky jacinth
i lament the loss of the 1 shot bolter crit shield removal
yea 12 fuckin hits to break
bitter turtle
i lament the loss of the 1 shot bolter crit shield removal
bitter turtle
im surprised this worked
time to do it in a real game
new penance idea
kill 100 bulwarks from the front while jumpuing
:^)
rocky jacinth
that'll be rough when they're moving around
serene bough
light mode discord wtf
serene bough
this is actually a war crime
idle swallow
commit this freak into a mental institution
sturdy zephyr
Only bug I had are if you died in-game and using weapon customization mod it crash.everytime.
hollow ibex
burn it into your eyes
midnight totem
light mode discord wtf
hidden torrent
Dog I ain't taking no more adhd medicine and it is fucking bad
inland orchid
Withdrawal is a pain so I feel ya
slow spade
imagine needing drugs when the Light of the Emperor is right there 💅
hidden torrent
Withdrawal doesn't bother me, you get the poops, body hurts a bit and you're tired, it's just now my terrible adhd ain't medicated anymore lmmaoooo
hearty panther
just three more days
u can do eet
unless you arent supposed to do it
in which case take ur meds
hidden torrent
Nah getting put on some different shit and I can't take no adderal wit it
hidden torrent
imagine needing drugs when the Light of the Emperor is right there 💅
I cast Ligma
wanton dawn
I cast Ligma
What is cast ?
wanton dawn
Thats a civil war
hidden torrent
Always has been
tardy rivet
hrrrrg i came here just to rant about the on overwatch penance hellllp
hidden torrent
Press F and kill thing
umbral scaffold
hrrrrg i came here just to rant about the on overwatch penance hellllp
use the infiltrate thing also with the one thatgives you 2 charges
wanton dawn
Sorry, i did this penance about a thousand hours ago
bitter turtle
hrrrrg i came here just to rant about the on overwatch penance hellllp
dodge every time you hear a backstab noise
umbral scaffold
stay in the back and block alot
umbral scaffold
^
hidden torrent
Hello friends I am with great skin
tardy rivet
so i can take melee damage once on full toughness
bitter turtle
yes
tardy rivet
damn
bitter turtle
melee damage bleeds through based on % of remianing toughness
at 100% toughness it blocks 100% of the dmg
inland orchid
I got lucky and did mine on a low intensity cryotic rod mission, if a special/melee dude pulled up on me I’d use shout
tardy rivet
oh so its actually just "dont take melee damage to your health"
inland orchid
bitter turtle
oh so its actually just "dont take melee damage **to your health**"
yes
inland orchid
oh so its actually just "dont take melee damage **to your health**"
Yea toughness ain’t health
So u can get shot and be fine
tardy rivet
i feel like maybe thats interesting information to add to the description
but alas
my purpose on this server has been fulfilled, i shall drift into obscurity
umbral scaffold
brief protogen sighting
umbral scaffold
sparks gone already lol
inland orchid
Doesn’t mean he won’t return for another specific purpose
wild vortex
melee damage bleeds through based on % of remianing toughness
the stuff I learn even after 100 hrs
inland orchid
You never know
wild vortex
tardy rivet
Doesn’t mean he won’t return for another specific purpose
new purpose:
:3
purpose fulfilled
umbral scaffold
new purpose:
:3
purpose fulfilled
tardy rivet
kinda true
grand perch
Only bug I had are if you died in-game and using weapon customization mod it cra...
that was fixed, had the same issue. not sure if the fix has been uploaded to nexusmods yet
newest version on the modder discord is what you need
rigid hearth
i got this roll from Melk, will the mobility be an issue?
bitter turtle
mobility doesnt amtter as long as its above 51
tall torrent
i got this roll from Melk, will the mobility be an issue?
This is good
I’d prob do headtaker III -> IV
Infested -> carapace/elite
tall marsh
I hope crafting rework comes out soon 🙏
dreamy spade
craggy torrent
columnus V my beloved
bitter turtle
not really
also that recon is the worst mark among recons
and recons are already weak
velvet storm
i like the color of it though
midnight totem
I made a grenadier vet build, and somehow I think it's one of my strongest builds to date
Four frags ought to kill anything
woeful galleon
If anything it's a fun build
Regenerating grenades, upgrading ammo kits, and chucking grenades at any group of enemies big enough
Fun times
midnight totem
Handing out grenades like Oprah
cold vortex
mm quick question whats the diffference between powa sword
trim steppe
Mk3 does horizontal heavies, doesn't slow down during activation. Mk6 has horizontal lights, slows down your movement during activation but has a poke heavy that 1 shots most things. Mk6 is basically just better in almost every circumstance
bitter turtle
Mk3 does horizontal heavies, doesn't slow down during activation. Mk6 has horizo...
Not every circumstance
I'm gonna try a sunder mk3 and see how it feels when I give enough of a shit about pswords again
candid agate
Up and at em 5 should be 20 penance points if it has a portrait attached to it as a reward
just saying
wanton dawn
Oh btw, i discovered that i get 50% melee weakspot hit average per game with ps6
bitter turtle
I'm surprised it's not higher tbh
I guess you end up cleaving chaff bodies and not really noticing sometimes
wanton dawn
I guess you end up cleaving chaff bodies and not really noticing sometimes
When there is a lot of stuff i hit lower and swing wide so yeah
Dont want to miss the dog
bitter turtle
I guess it's a lower priority to aim head since you use sunder anyway
wanton dawn
Yup
austere pine
the world hasn't seen this much dakka since the war of the beast
i'm like 90% sure this gun can deal with monstros
it's dealing real damage to CRUSHERS
kinda funny to see
yes, this is zealot with piety. no, i do not care this is veteran chat. i'm talking about a Gun™️ and zealot chat hates when you talk about zealot
wanton dawn
Sometimes I feel like vet chat is some kind of safe place to talk about game
Then again, I don't go on other class chat so IDK
midnight totem
Well naturally we are the best
grand perch
vet chat is safe until the corruption seeps in and it becomes vetderanged chat instead
fleet thicket
should i keep this?
wild vortex
does anybody have a nice Weapons Specialist build that can effectively utilize Rashad + Laspistol?
wanton dawn
vet chat is safe until the corruption seeps in and it becomes vetderanged chat i...
Yeah, sometimes vet chat goes vet-chan
midnight totem
I mean
Have you seen a woman in uniform?
Reasons to liberate a world, lads
Also, all psyker penances complete
languid spade
DAE play a veteran here?
velvet storm
Whats a good weapon to use when fighting the twins on damnation
I normally use the infantry lasgun but it doesn't feel like it does enough
And what keystone is good with infantry lasgun
hollow ibex
Center or left
slow sky
Whats a good weapon to use when fighting the twins on damnation
havent done it on veteran but a friend i did it with use a brauto due to its raw damage output against the shields and packs of flak elites with a decent ammo count for the fight
and it was a noticable difference on my end when he swapped to it when i was helping him get the hardmode done
vague smelt
midnight totem
DAE play a veteran here?
It is important to play all the other classes so you can properly appreciate what they don't have compared to a veteran
Like zealots.
They talk too much, but think too little. They're not even capable of self sustaining with blitzes like a vet, let alone ammo. Very sad.
slow sky
havent done it on veteran but a friend i did it with use a brauto due to its raw...
speaking of the shields
rodins shield has 40% resistance to ranged attacks, so its not worth shooting him at all, especially when his shield takes 3x damage from melee
rinda has no resistance to ranged attacks, making her the ideal twin to shoot at. her shield does take 2x damage from melee, but the sheer damage you can output and how dangerous she is up close makes ranged fire just better for her
easier to just remember that the twins are better fought with the opposite of the weapon they use
slow sky
They talk too much, but think too little. They're not even capable of self susta...
counter argument
midnight totem
Psykers are the opposite. They think too much. Do not fear the psyker. They require magic to achieve what we can do with mundane skills and weaponry.
Ogryns, I got nothing bad to say about ogryns. They're cool. Big man helps me and I help them. Loyal and reliable friends.
dreamy scaffold
slow sky
wait did you manually put not just both t3 perks instead of t4, but also carapace on a knife without uncanny strike AND melee weakspot damage??
dreamy scaffold
wait did you manually put not just both t3 perks instead of t4, but also carapac...
im in the middle of crafting for a good knife, this is simply what i run because i have nothing better
i also do not care to minmax my weapons
slow sky
i assumed so since theres a t1 precog, but the main thing im worried about is the existence of weak spot damage at ALL
the math behind it makes it actually reaaaally bad
dreamy scaffold
meh🤷🏻♂️ i can swap it out
slow sky
true
but just to keep in mind for the future
any damage bonuses to weakspot/crit only increase the bonus, not the total of the hit
dreamy scaffold
i see
slow sky
if you hit to the body for 100, and hit to the head for 150
a t4 weakspot perk at +10% wouldnt increase that to 165
it would be 155
dreamy scaffold
yikes
slow sky
the same goes for crit as well
dreamy scaffold
i shall also show you my revolver ive been using for the past. ohh 15 levels maybe
maybe 10 levels
slow sky
oh youre gonna hate me for this one
dreamy scaffold
ive been using it for a while and its got ass everything
slow sky
point blank doesnt actually work right
dreamy scaffold
its an ass rev but i sadly havent come across a better one atm
slow sky
point blank says its supposed to be after a melee kill, but its actually from a melee kill with the special action of the revolver only
dreamy scaffold
point blank says its supposed to be after a melee kill, but its actually from a ...
thats dogshit, what?
agile forge
Hand cannon is non negotiable and surgical is really sad to not have
Yeah, point blank contender for worst blessing in the game
slow sky
thats dogshit, what?
its a bug from when they changed it
it used to be upon hitting an enemy with that special
dreamy scaffold
im re-realizing how much i hate crafting in this game
languid spade
It is important to play all the other classes so you can properly appreciate wha...
I refuse!!!!! 🫸
slow sky
they changed it to be melee kill to make it a more fluid blessing
but they didnt change it properly, so now its even worse
so it realistically does nothing now lmao
dreamy scaffold
since im here, i think its only fair i show you all my other weapons
slow sky
like seriously
dreamy scaffold
i think the shovel is either a Mission reward or something from melk i bought a minute ago
chainsword i used to run alot
honestly for lower diffs (usually where i play at) they are good enough to get the job done, but i feel they can always be better
slow sky
i think the shovel is either a Mission reward or something from melk i bought a ...
skullcrusher is actually quite good
it doesnt say it, but skullcrusher stacks 2x for double the stacks it lists
arctic thistle
Good or nah?
arctic thistle
oh nvm looool
arctic thistle
Well, the only guns I found interesting are the IIa, Plasma gun, bolter, and weirdly the hellbore lol
midnight totem
You can change it into an infernus stacking crit gun
But crit and infernus is weaker then just pure damage with dum dum
wild vortex
the bolter's swap speed feels like you're trying to take a microwave out of a carry bag
arctic thistle
But crit and infernus is weaker then just pure damage with dum dum
so better to find a good plasma gun? xD
slow sky
skullcrusher is actually quite good
it doesnt say it, but skullcrusher stacks 2x...
btw if you wanna see just how much of a difference it makes
the first swing has two instance of damage that stagger, causing the second swing to hit him when he has 6 stacks of skullcrusher
arctic thistle
lol what about melee? Power sword mk VI?
somber axle
Plasma, Zarona Revolver, Columnus Infantry Autogun, Power Sword VI with Power Cycler IV
The big name weapons for Veteran meta
midnight totem
Chainsword, knife, power sword, shovels, all viable good weapons
somber axle
Some people use Combat Knife VI with Uncanny instead of Power Sword though
slow sky
just please please dont use lacerate
somber axle
Insane mobility and a good Combat Knife VI shreds Crushers with a literally 1 second time to kill
Power Sword VI when set up correct can literally 1 shot a Crusher on a charged push attack head stab too though so
trim hemlock
just please please dont use lacerate
some have studied the blade, or so the saying goes
somber axle
It's really down to whether you value mobility higher or horde clear higher
slow sky
*some have studied the blade*, or so the saying goes <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972...
rip and tear, until it is eventually done
trim hemlock
On the note of Lacerate
somber axle
Power Sword VI has better horde clear but awful mobility. Probably the worst mobility melee in the entire Vet arsenal other than maybe Chainaxe.
Combat Knife VI has the best mobility of any Vet weapon and it isn't even close. But the horde clear is only ok. Meanwhile any other weapon (Chainsword, Catachan Sword, Power Sword, Rashad, etc.) will leave you in the dust on clearing hordes
trim hemlock
I do wonder if people realise how little bleed is accumulated throughout any run even with a "bleed knife" setup
somber axle
Shovels are also pretty good weapons. Fold shovels can 1HKO Crushers too and still slap hordes around without making you feel like you have the mobility of an Ogryn
trim hemlock
Buuut they suffer in the Unyielding damage department
which is fair, I think. They shouldn't be able to reliably handle any foe with no drawbacks whatsoever.
somber axle
Buuut they suffer in the Unyielding damage department
The funny part is someone used the standard non-folding shovel to top boss damage in a Scoreboard screenshot which was really funny to see
hidden torrent
I like the regular shovel a lot tbh
somber axle
I could probably dig up the screenshot if I wasn't at work
dreamy scaffold
skullcrusher is actually quite good
it doesnt say it, but skullcrusher stacks 2x...
damnnn
dreamy scaffold
did you see the video demonstrating it
i did not
slow sky
btw if you wanna see just how much of a difference it makes
the first swing has ...
.
i stack up rending first cuz yknow
crusher
plus uncanny strike basically has permanent uptime in higher difficulties with the enemy count
velvet storm
what blessings
dawn garnet
does shooting allies count as a missed shot for the penance?
sterile phoenix
Anyone mess with a skill build that has VoC and the weapon swap keystone?
gilded wraith
i stack up rending first cuz yknow
crusher
plus uncanny strike basically has per...
So skull, uncanny, and which two blessings?
slow sky
So skull, uncanny, and which two blessings?
those are the blessings
and both perks are not doing anything in this clip
gilded wraith
Perks, sorry
slow sky
you can see the entire shovel at the start
gilded wraith
Which perks would you consider top? Unarmored for horde light spam?
slow sky
flak is always the best perk on basically every weapon
unarmored would never really be on any weapon of mine by choice, as extra damage on hordes isnt worth the perk slot, not to mention it would only count groaners, not poxwalkers, so its only affecting half of horde targets
gilded wraith
Thank you for the information!
slow sky
though it does still tend to be a better option than most cuz of dregs and their respective elites
arctic thistle
It's really down to whether you value mobility higher or horde clear higher
horde clear higher I usually use ranged guns for the big guys xD but I won't mind having a melee that can do both (which I think is impossible)
slow sky
though it does still tend to be a better option than most cuz of dregs and their...
flak however covers about half of all enemies, most elites, and even some specialists
arctic thistle
Insane mobility and a good Combat Knife VI shreds Crushers with a literally 1 se...
Charged attacks?
noble breach
should i use flak on my mk6 psword?
slow sky
flak however covers about half of all enemies, most elites, and even some specia...
most weapons tend to run the combo of flak and:
maniac (ragers do come in large numbers, and mutants do have quite a bit of health)
unyielding (big damage weapons do well with a decent boost to reapers, bulwarks, and bosses)
carapace (assuming they already do good damage to carapace)
or elites (as more of a general pick, typically on melee weapons, which stacks with flak which make up a lot of the elites armor)
just assess what you use the weapon for to decide which of these you want
slow sky
should i use flak on my mk6 psword?
yes
noble breach
the vet guide in pins didnt mention it, so i was curious
slow sky
flak however covers about half of all enemies, most elites, and even some specia...
flak is just really really good considering its 25% more damage to the the most common armor type in the game
most things with lesser armor arent threating enough/die too fast for the damage bonus to be useful, and other armors are dependant on the weapon, that being whether you typically use that weapon against those enemies, or if that weapon is even effective against them at all
velvet storm
Are there any important breakpoints for the kantrael la?
I've been trying to find an 80 percent dmg and stopping power one but idk if that's needed
somber axle
what blessings
Uncanny Strike/Mercy Killer. Numbers cat is the one to talk to for specifics on it because he made the video. You definitely need the Serrated Blade talent to make melee attacks trigger bleed stacks per hit to activate Mercy Killer. You also probably need Desperado too to achieve the DPS/TTK on Crushers with it
somber axle
horde clear higher I usually use ranged guns for the big guys xD but I won't min...
Power Sword VI with Power Cycler IV does both amazing horde clear and amazing elite/special killing with solid boss damage. You can 1 shot Crushers with the right build. You sacrifice mobility for it though. Dark Souls fat rolling your way through the game. Power Sword mobility is so awful that a lot of people go into Weapon Specialist keystone to alleviate some of the mobility woes
slow sky
we're getting there
somber axle
@arctic thistle
You can also go for a nice Rashad Combat Axe Mk II. It can do everything and anything well. It isn't #1 in anything but it can do very good horde clear and good elite/special/boss/armour killing. Good luck on trying to roll a good one though. You need a lot to make it worth taking over other weapons. Brutal Momentum, Headtaker, Unarmoured. You also need a good stat roll
hollow ibex
Honestly I think Rashad is number one in horde clear
noble breach
ive been trying to use plasma gun, but it was not as fun as zarona revolver...
any advice?
hollow ibex
Don't use it. Boring ass gun.
somber axle
From the guide in pins
Keep in mind this is the old version and may not be up to date as a version 2.0 is in the works
To my knowledge the relevant blessings/perks are still correct
somber axle
Charged attacks?
Heavy 2 -> Push Attack -> Push Attack
The combo numbers cat did to kill the Crusher in the vid
Could have been Heavy 1 instead of Heavy 2 idk
It has been too long since I've played Vet
arctic thistle
Heavy 2 -> Push Attack -> Push Attack
The combo numbers cat did to kill the Cr...
Heavy 2 as in special attack, or what am I missing lol?
somber axle
Heavy 2 as in special attack, or what am I missing lol?
Click and hold mouse 1 attack is heavy attack
Special attack is just a silly punch on knife
arctic thistle
Power Sword VI with Power Cycler IV does both amazing horde clear and amazing el...
Current sword I have sucks haha, but I hope I get a good roll in the future. Hate the current crafting system to be honest.
somber axle
Which has use for combo set up
arctic thistle
Heavy 2 -> Push Attack -> Push Attack
The combo numbers cat did to kill the Cr...
push attack is the block left click, right?
somber axle
Current sword I have sucks haha, but I hope I get a good roll in the future. Hat...
There's a crafting system rework in the works so fingers crossed we learn about it during the Skulls event
somber axle
push attack is the block left click, right?
Yes
arctic thistle
There's a crafting system rework in the works so fingers crossed we learn about ...
That is some good news tbh lol
noble breach
took me 450hrs to get my power cycle 4 though
arctic thistle
took me 450hrs to get my power cycle 4 though
tall torrent
Could have been Heavy 1 instead of Heavy 2 idk
it's H1
arctic thistle
scares me to even try lol
tall torrent
Heavy 2 as in special attack, or what am I missing lol?
2nd heavy atk in chain
noble breach
took me 450hrs to get my power cycle 4 though
tbf i was stupid by just upgrading to blue to "save" plasteels
tall torrent
H2 > PA loops itself
somber axle
I know the first and second heavy attacks are side swipes but I couldn't remember which direction was which
tall torrent
for single target, highest dps combo is H1 > [H2 > [PA]]
somber axle
Ogryn shovel slapping all day for heavy hitter penance has emptied my brain
Watching paint dry, the penance
slow sky
Ogryn shovel slapping all day for heavy hitter penance has emptied my brain
i straight up set a macro for it and let it run in a MMT match at a spawn door at the start of mercantile
took 2 hours straight
somber axle
That's insane
But somehow less insane than earning it normally
It must have taken me 4-5 days of just grinding my head against the wall of poxwalkers to earn it
Purgatus Psykers became my biggest rivals
Literally started playing Darktide at 10 am on a day off and spent the whole day grinding Heavy Hitter to get the last 2000 kills in
Absurd grind
Still not as bad as some WoW grinds I have done
velvet storm
Can someone explain something to me
I an using this breakpoint calculator and it's showing center mass, weak, center mass crit and weak crit
But some of these things have percentages
Anyone know what that means
I'm assume it means 3 shots to kill at center mass, 1 at weakpoint, 2 crit center mass, 1 weak crit
But Idk what the percents mean
rocky jacinth
if i'm not being an idiot, it's how much damage remains to next breakpoint
yeah it is
terse idol
What are the best kantrael lasgun blessings
Headhunter, deadly accurate
tiny summit
HeadHunter, Deadly Accurate, Ghost
velvet storm
i see
tiny summit
Also game just suffering from poor blessing pools
Most shit is ass vs just giving me more dmg
Ghost you lose dmg but as long as you click heads you are invulnerable to guns
velvet storm
It must take a long time to get a perfect weapon
pseudo fiber
Just luck
stuck gorge
and luck again for hadron not to brick the perfect base
midnight totem
And more luck
The real goal is to get a weapon as close to what you want as possible and say "eh. Good enough"
tall torrent
It must take a long time to get a perfect weapon
depends on the weapon
velvet storm
Trying to get perfect kantrael la
headhunter deadly accurate high stopping power and dmg
anti flak and more weakspoit dmg
I have all that except for uhh
deadly accurate
wild vortex
is it just me or is this workable
stuck basin
is it just me or is this workable
both blessings are mid at best
slow sky
took me 450hrs to get my power cycle 4 though
it took me about 1400 hours
slow sky
Took me a half hour
wild vortex
both blessings are mid at best
yeah I mean I can change that
sturdy schooner
hey yall i asked aged ago but
got a revolver that im satisfied with but now im wondering if its better to have maniac or specialist on here
\
bitter turtle
got a revolver that im satisfied with but now im wondering if its better to have...
specialist is never, ever good
spark acorn
Maniac
bitter turtle
not on a single weapon in teh entire game
spark acorn
Get you those crunchy numbers on muties
bitter turtle
maniac covers all the speccialists that have enough hp to matter
the only thing specialists cover that maniac doesnt
is like
bombers
and snipers
that die extremely quick no mat ter what
and dogs ig
sturdy schooner
awesome thanks
shadow dagger
this pox gas got me tweakin
at least firebombs have a relatively clear boundary when youre waist deep in fire
if i dont know where the gas starts when it pops then i end up running out of it the long way
velvet storm
y
sterile garnet
Weakspot damage isnt as good as it sounds
velvet storm
what should i go then
tall torrent
Maniac
sterile garnet
Say you do 100 on body shot. Say you do 110 damage on headshot. 10 more damage. Add 10% weakspot damage to that, and you get 111 total damage. One point gained
velvet storm
what did u just call me
sterile garnet
Crit damage perk works the same way
late hatch
Coz some weapons have higher crit multis than others
sterile garnet
You'll always get way more value out of damage buff vs enemy types
As far as perks are concerned
For the most part
Some weapons do benefit from crit chance perks, however. Like purga staff on psyker.
late hatch
and what stats are most important on plasma gun
bitter turtle
Why people say go headhunter then
crits are not bad
crit damage perk is bad
big difference
even if a crit did literally 2x your base damage
+10% crit dmg is only a 5% damage boost and only when critting
that is shit
tall torrent
Why people say go headhunter then
Because getting 20% ranged crit chance on weakspot hit on a weakspot-reliant weapon is good?
Crit chance is basically always better than crit dmg
late hatch
Most people dont understand % very well, they only really have a vague, low chance, 50/50, high chance weighting in their minds
velvet storm
to be fair, stuff like +weakspot dmg should be a 10 perent increase to total dmg
so like, 20 more dmg a shot or something on lasguns
idk
tall torrent
to be fair, stuff like +weakspot dmg should be a 10 perent increase to total dmg
Yes but it isn’t rn
velvet storm
ik but i understand why people would be confused
cause its dumb it doesnt work that way
tall torrent
There’re very few weapons that benefit from +weakspot dmg
bitter turtle
cause its dumb it doesnt work that way
I almost feel like it's a mistake bc the values make sense if it was based on total
10 percent weakspot is type agnostic but smaller bonus vs specific armor types
Just like how elites is mostly type agnostic
And is also 10 percent
oblique copper
whats the best way to get 2000 kills for the killshot ready penance?
tall torrent
Thing is, if it’s actually applied to total Dmg, then perk balance is out of wack and a ton of godroll weapons are now bricked
hybrid prawn
bitter turtle
Ya I feel like they just made a mistake and stuck with it because it would break things
Lol
bitter turtle
Well maybe the crafting rework will take the chance to fix them
hybrid prawn
whats the best way to get 2000 kills for the killshot ready penance?
which one is this?
oblique copper
2500 kills with 10 stacks of marksmans focus
hybrid prawn
ah that one, become crab 🦀
tall torrent
Wonder what WH skulls will announce for DT
hybrid prawn
i spent 40 minutes crabbing my way and hack mobs
bitter turtle
Also it's funny
bitter turtle
Unrelated but I find myself putting chs on every build I can't take melee talent on now lol
hybrid prawn
bitter turtle
Feels like the ps and that are the only weps that can be played w/o melee talents
hybrid prawn
Feels like the ps and that are the only weps that can be played w/o melee talent...
devilclaw
chainsword is decent
bitter turtle
I said chs
sturdy schooner
huh thats news to me, weak point dmg being bad
i have it on my powersword mk 4
and its been sooo nice with single target dm gon the block attack chain
bitter turtle
Kinda wish there was more options for melee that don't need to dip into right tree to work
sturdy schooner
saltzpyre rapier + laspistol when
tall torrent
Unrelated but I find myself putting chs on every build I can't take melee talent...
True and real
Chainsword to me is literally “what if I wanted a decent melee but didn’t want to take any melee talents”
tall torrent
Chainsword is just hard carried by FotF imo
bitter turtle
devilclaw
As for dclaw I want to actually kill bruisers this century
So idk
I think it's kind of a bad weapon low key but
Either way I'd probably want to dip into desperado and recip at minimum
tall torrent
huh thats news to me, weak point dmg being bad
It’s always been bad
Also power sword mk4 doesn’t exist
sturdy schooner
VI
bitter turtle
That is 6
V is five and the I adds or subtracts based on whether is placed before or after
rapid palm
so, among the braced autoguns, which is considered the best?
bitter turtle
Agri is the most popular
But all are fine really
Same goes for iags
Though most popular iag is columnus
rapid palm
I thought only the col V IAG was usable at all, and even then it chews through ammo
bitter turtle
No
It does not chew through ammo and the other two are rly good too
The dps difference is not that big and graia has the most stable recoil
While agri has cleave
potent iris
I prefer the agri myself
bitter turtle
All of them are A tier weapons minimum if you consider revolver/plasma/ciag to be S
bitter turtle
But yeah agri is the most popular brauto
Mostly bc it leverages the cleave well as a brauto
rapid palm
what perks and blessings do ya want on the agri?
bitter turtle
Fire frenzy deathspitter
Hit and run if you want some utility prob
Just off the the top of my head
Check pin guide if you want to be sure
Though it's going through an update to fix and improve some things
sturdy zephyr
Look fun using braceautogun
wild vortex
is melee vet a legit thing? I just tried it, found it fun
(after my failed experiment with Marksman Vet, I am not skilled enough for that 
)
somber axle
Yes. It's not as strong in melee as Zealot or Ogryn imo but it is still an absolute powerhouse and a very viable build at all difficulties
somber axle
Weapon Specialist works very well with the Zarona Revolver
wild vortex
I've gone crit on the stance swap side, is that the right thing to do?
bitter turtle
is melee vet a legit thing? I just tried it, found it fun
It's probably the stronger way to play vst
Weapon specialist is extremely powerful
wild vortex
so I'm discovering. Beheadings + headshot bonks everywhere
sturdy zephyr
Fun and good support too
wild vortex
can anyone share their tree with me please? I made my own but I don't want to fuck it up
bitter turtle
Zarona revolver right
Do you want survivalist
And pick a grenade and voc or infil
bitter turtle
It's a decent weapon but basically worse than zarona in every way that matters
In a vacuum i think it's ok though
Like a solid b weapon imo
Some people rly hate it tho lol
wild vortex
And pick a grenade and voc or infil
Going Krak + VoC
bitter turtle
It still domes most specials and elites in 1 crit but does worse vs crushers and has worse accuravy when moving and shooting
wild vortex
For Krak penance
bitter turtle
If you stand still to fire it's good enough on acc tho
And do you want survivalist
wild vortex
I'm ok either way
bitter turtle
Ok
Check if you 2 tap crushers with a crit
With revolver
If you cant
Then I would try this
wild vortex
Honestly if I see a Crusher I throw a krak
bitter turtle
if you want to finish the krak penance fast
that is not the best way to do it
and given the option i would run another nade
but that's just me
velvet storm
yuh
kantrael la
it my favorite weapon
probably
not sure what melee to go with it though
I have trouble against crushers and stuff like that
mostly just crushers and the smaller thing similar
bitter turtle
take a melee that can kill crushers
like knife/rashad/psword/shovel or smthing
you cant make the ilases kill crushers
its just not possible
sturdy zephyr
Looks legit especially anti armor
It tried w revo. Cant be so effective i change to plasma.
bitter turtle
imo
mk6 is the superior knife
as for blessings
uncanny + riposte/precog/mercy killer/executor/flesh tearer
all valid
just make sure you have uncanny
perks
i personally run elite+carapace
but flak, unarmored, and unyielding all have argument sto be made for them
i just wouldnt run maniac since it doesnt really change anything
midnight totem
ugh
I think I'm hitting burnout
just started a zealot match, and left it. No reason. Just didn't want to play
maybe its just zealot
tall torrent
what knife
mk6 is better imo
if u want best consistency (non-crit breakpoints), I'd go Uncanny + Mercy/Executor
perks u want carapace/elite/flak
sturdy zephyr
So crusher,and chainaxe guy?bruiser? Carapace+elite type enemy?
bitter turtle
Mauler
tall torrent
So crusher,and chainaxe guy?bruiser? Carapace+elite type enemy?
Carapace is mainly for crusher & mauler
Bruiser is not elite
bitter turtle
I think he thought maulers were called bruisers
lyric bridge
So many weapons - so little time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW1sakk1axs
velvet storm
mk6 is better imo
if u want best consistency (non-crit breakpoints), I'd go Unca...
i have a mk3 that has uncanncy and executor
with carapace dmg
and it doesnt do nearly that kind of dmg
tall torrent
i have a mk3 that has uncanncy and executor
Mk3 can’t use executor well
tall torrent
and it doesnt do nearly that kind of dmg
Build uncanny stacks up
velvet storm
how u od that
tall torrent
Melee weakspot hits
tall torrent
It’s good
gilded wraith
Can anyone recommend a keybind that's works well for tag?
tall torrent
Can anyone recommend a keybind that's works well for tag?
I have mine on 3 (number)
fresh jungle
I use mouse DPI up but that's obviously pretty mouse specific
bitter turtle
Can anyone recommend a keybind that's works well for tag?
i bound it to a mouse button
and also right click
so when you ads you tag
gilded wraith
Right click might work. Just feels like I'm running short of convenient keys.
midnight totem
21 games until all zealot penances complete
wild vortex
Damn dude melee Vet kinda fun
Hectic but fun
Lost the match I just played and no time for another, but BOY was it enjoyable
Once I get better at stance dancing it's GG for the heretics
velvet storm
Melee weakspot hits
i thought the mk6 was better against hordes and the mk3 better against single things
bitter turtle
i thought the mk6 was better against hordes and the mk3 better against single th...
practically speaking
mk6 is better at hordes and equal in single target
there are som every niche things mk3 can do on single targets that mk6 cant
but the highest dps option for both of them is spamming push attack, and mk6 does that just as well
pseudo fiber
The mk3 looks cooler
tall torrent
i thought the mk6 was better against hordes and the mk3 better against single th...
Mk6 is better at horde and better at single target
tall torrent
It does less dmg
Same hits to kill, faster combo animation
velvet storm
What's the combo
bitter turtle
What's the combo
spam push attacks
tall torrent
H2 > PA > PA
Is the highest DPS single target
Because u can cancel H2 immediately after it lands a hit
Which goes into PA extremely quickly
tall torrent
mk6 is better imo
if u want best consistency (non-crit breakpoints), I'd go Unca...
As I’ve shown here
velvet storm
Like block push attack or the special push attack
tall torrent
Wdym special push atk
velvet storm
I thought it was a push
tall torrent
Punch (SP) > overhead (L0) is way less dps than PA spam
tall torrent
You only rly want [H2 > SP > L0] if you don’t want to spend stamina
bitter turtle
in reality mk6 is not really any worse at single target
somber axle
H2 > PA > PA
is that better than just spamming nothing but push attacks
bitter turtle
is that better than just spamming nothing but push attacks
you open with a heavy
tall torrent
is that better than just spamming nothing but push attacks
Yes
bitter turtle
because you sprint
with heavies charged
so you gap close with the heavy first then spam push
somber axle
that's good to know 
bitter turtle
cause of the whole
tall torrent
Technically H2 > PA > PA is best because you can cancel H2 immediately after it lands which goes into PA
tall torrent
PA > PA > PA is just a little under that
bitter turtle
so basically any combo will likely always start with a heavy
fresh jungle
realistically yeah
that's been my experience w/knife
you're already charging the heavy to move, so you just release that then PA PA PA etc
ember coyote
Best gun for Vet?
somber axle
Depends on what you want but generally the best guns for Veteran right now are Plasma, Revolver, Columnus Infantry Autogun
I'd say Helbore Mk II with the right perks/blessings deserves to be on that list too
ember coyote
I am really liking my bolter
somber axle
Boltgun is fine. You can really use anything you want but the three I mentioned are the highest amount of performance for the least amount of effort
ember coyote
Drip-hammer
ember coyote
https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer40k-tactical-marine-bolter-adeptus-...
LEYLEY!
ember coyote
minor iron
worth salvaging? assuming replace poxwalker dmg with elites or something and speedload with surgical
tall torrent
worth salvaging? assuming replace poxwalker dmg with elites or something and spe...
Salvageable but not great
minor iron
its the only 370+ roll ive gotten in like 700k spent 😭
this is the revo ive been running. alternatively i could just grab hand cannon 3 off the new one and stick it on here
perks are my downfall on revolvers always
(i should also ask, why does the guide specify elites as one of the perks thats mandatory? is it because you get more breakpoints from it that you wouldnt get from a generic +25% damage?)
full nacelle
Graia Braced is actually SO underrated
I love mine. Can't wait to bring it into auric missions. ❤️
sturdy zephyr
Graia Braced is actually SO underrated
Whats it best again?armored or maniacs?
They have penetration?
full nacelle
Whats it best again?armored or maniacs?
it shreds anything that isn't carapace
that's what I got my shovel-pickaxe for
the alternate fire has such a high rate of fire that you don't need to worry about penetration
sturdy zephyr
I see. That way to do it.
full nacelle
it will mow down everything
I HIGHLY recommend speedload for it tbh
it does plenty of damage by default when its braced
only issue is the reloads but that fixes it easily
my baby ❤️
tall torrent
Graia Braced is actually SO underrated
It’s good, better on zealot than on vet tho imo
sturdy zephyr
As i about to said the 75ammo capacity gun
full nacelle
It’s good, better on zealot than on vet tho imo
idk I find any zealot build leaning into ranged damage to be lacking
Vet can spam it to no end and it makes great use of the right side of the tree
tall torrent
idk I find any zealot build leaning into ranged damage to be lacking
It’s a very reliable close-mid range dps tool
Onslaught actually doesn’t work that well with braced guns
full nacelle
Yeah I play mid-range vet with it and make use of the constant dodges
tall torrent
Because it can only apply on 1 target at a time
tall torrent
If ur playing shovel, u don’t need reciprocity & desperado
Shovel has very low finesse
Get the 15% elite Dmg on left side
full nacelle
yeah I take those... honestly the shovel is only there for crushers
everything else I can shred with graia
tall torrent
Shovel doesn’t need those for crushers
full nacelle
right exactly
the shovel is literally only there for crushrs
and maybe a dense hoard
I don't build around it
ember coyote
So Surgical Blessing on Bolter? Good? Might switch it out with Shattering Impact
Thoughts?
tall torrent
So Surgical Blessing on Bolter? Good? Might switch it out with Shattering Impact
Surgical is meta for Boltgun on veteran
Shattering only exists to kill crushers
full nacelle
Reciprocity is nice for close-quarters shooting which is where I tend to be a lot of the time
tall torrent
Boltgun (veteran) isn’t that good at magdumping crushers
full nacelle
not sure if it's worth dropping
ember coyote
Surgical is meta for Boltgun on veteran
Well my other perk is cavalcade
tall torrent
Reciprocity is nice for close-quarters shooting which is where I tend to be a lo...
Braced autogun has pretty bad finesse as well, and reciprocity doesn’t activate from dodging ranged attacks as reliably as you’d hope
If u had hit&run on ur graia4 then maybe reciprocity would see some uptime but since u don’t, it’s sort of just wasted
You’re taking 2 talents that don’t work that well for either of ur weapons essentially
full nacelle
Braced autogun has pretty bad finesse as well, and reciprocity doesn’t activate ...
Oh really? Didn't know about the finesse
tall torrent
Well my other perk is cavalcade
Cavalcade is ok
full nacelle
Makes sense when you put it that way
tall torrent
Oh really? Didn't know about the finesse
I mean
It would be pretty logical to assume that a bullet spread dependent gun that doesn’t get to hit headshots reliably would have bad finesse
full nacelle
I mean
It would be pretty logical to assume that a bullet spread dependent gun t...
Yeah... Yeah you right lol
ember coyote
But ideally you want surgical + pinning fire for Boltgun (on veteran)
Alright, any advice for melee weapons? Best melee weapon for Vet?
full nacelle
I just like big crit chains when I'm taking on mobs
tall torrent
Alright, any advice for melee weapons? Best melee weapon for Vet?
If ur running boltgun, not many options for u to pick
full nacelle
I'll see how it feels without it
tall torrent
Because boltgun is so point hungry you basically won’t have points to spend on melee talents
ember coyote
Wha
full nacelle
boltgun is very hard to build around
tall torrent
Yea
ember coyote
No I am asking you what weapon is best on Vet. Not about talents
Sry if that got confusing :p
full nacelle
the problem with melee with boltgun is the boltgun's massive pullout time (heh)
tall torrent
No I am asking you what weapon is best on Vet. Not about talents
What have u enjoyed using so far
ember coyote
Nothing particular with vet
full nacelle
so you probably want something niche to deal with hoards since the boltgun struggles with it
ember coyote
Im a Zealot main
tall torrent
Melee on veteran eventually goes in 3 directions
Rashad mk2 combat axe
Munitorum mk6 power sword
Catachan mk6 combat blade
full nacelle
I think the catachan would be your best bet here
tall torrent
Rashad and CB6 require some melee talents to be good
Power sword works without melee talent investment
ember coyote
What above shovel and chainaxe?
full nacelle
shovel would also be a decent choice
tall torrent
Shovel is imo a low point cost alternative to knife with somewhat similar anti-armor but worse almost everything else
Chainaxe is kind of similar but not as good as shovel imo
If Chainaxe didn’t have low dodge it’d be at least somewhat close
tall torrent
I think the catachan would be your best bet here
The issue is that knife wants reciprocity + desperado (3 point investment into right side) which most boltgun builds just can’t afford
And I personally feel telling just anybody to play knife is bad advice
Most knife players have no idea what they’re supposed to do
full nacelle
I would honestly just say screw it and just use the knife purely as a defensive tool... Boltgun build is kind of a meme anyway, why not lean fully into it?
tall torrent
I also don’t think Boltgun pairs that well with knife mechanically
full nacelle
Yeah I see a lot of knife folks who don't know how to dodge and kite properly
I don't think Boltgun really pairs well with any melee... I like it with the devil's claw cause then you can at least clear the little dudes with ease when they jump you and have an easy answer to ragers
tall torrent
full nacelle
devil's claw is real turn your brain off easy horde management and has a good skill ceiling with the parry
gives you something to fall back on when you don't have space to bolter
ember coyote
Knife can do this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/124...
That's alot of crits, without them you don't do much and it isn't a horde weap
tall torrent
That's alot of crits, without them you don't do much and it isn't a horde weap
First hit is 1345 Dmg, still 3 hit kill
ember coyote
🤷♂️
tall torrent
I recorded a crit version to show that Crit weakspot is just enough to get 2 hit kill if both are crit
ember coyote
Weapon kind of sucks when I use it, maybe I am an idiot
tall torrent
Knife on vet can actually hit every major breakpoint without crits
Without doing dodge dependent stuff
full nacelle
I think the bolter itself already deals with crushers good enough on its own
tall torrent
I think the bolter itself already deals with crushers good enough on its own
Not that great
Well, not that great vs crusher packs anyway
ember coyote
Like, I get 220 crits with knife, it isn't worth it imo
sinful swallow
You can mulch crushers but it costs a lot of ammo
full nacelle
not if they're on top of you but you can easily mag dump to clean up groups
yeah what Tresdin said
tall torrent
Like, I get 220 crits with knife, it isn't worth it imo
220 dmg on Crit with knife?
What enemy
ember coyote
The crusher with the hammer
tall torrent
U prob built it wrong
full nacelle
knife on zealot goes crazy
tall torrent
Yea you definitely built it wrong
full nacelle
it is a high learning curve too
ember coyote
knife on zealot goes crazy
Getting back to Vet
cobalt hare
Gotta make a build that’s good for what you use. Cant say much though I’ve stuck with a Chain Sword and one of the many las weapons for a year and a half.
ember coyote
Im stuck between the chainaxe and the power sword
sinful swallow
I honestly leaned into the 40k theme for my boltgun, exe stance no melee talents with chaxe 4, thunderous blood letter unyielding carapace, it's a godroll for my purposes but I can kill everything in at most 2 hits
tall torrent
Im stuck between the chainaxe and the power sword
Power sword
sinful swallow
Unarmored not unyielding
full nacelle
Getting back to Vet
on my bolter build I don't struggle with crushers... it's when my teammates split and I'm left surrounded by the horde that things get rough
chainaxe is NOT the pick for the bolter
junior needle
Is this actually how rending interacts with the penetration stat?
sinful swallow
chainaxe is NOT the pick for the bolter
Built for ammo efficiency when not overrun, and if it's horde I can exe stance or heavy spam with nade
junior needle
This sounds very not like what I've been told
tall torrent
Also chainaxe hits 620 so idk
Iif you’re not hitting 900+ per hit it’s generally not gonna be effective against crusher packs
full nacelle
Built for ammo efficiency when not overrun, and if it's horde I can exe stance o...
Yeah I go all in with deadshot and ammo conservation... if I get swarmed I have frak grenades and devil's claw to go shred the little guys
tall torrent
This sounds very not like what I've been told
Wdym
Rending is applied on top of ADM (additive)
ember coyote
Hmmm
tall torrent
What’s wrong with that
sinful swallow
Yeah I go all in with deadshot and ammo conservation... if I get swarmed I have ...
I would use claw if it did anything to carapace, but chaxe can hit one shot breakpoints with those talents and blessing I got, it's like tools for everything
full nacelle
I would use claw if it did anything to carapace, but chaxe can hit one shot brea...
yeah that's the only issue with the claw... so I always make sure to mag dump the fuck out of the crushers first lol
doesn't chaxe suck for horde clearing though?
tall torrent
yeah that's the only issue with the claw... so I always make sure to mag dump th...
DC has more problems than just carapace dmg
sinful swallow
doesn't chaxe suck for horde clearing though?
Hence the unarmored, frag nade, and why I run exe stance for when I have ammo
junior needle
Wdym
This guy is saying that having more penetration on your weapon (and therefore higher starting adm's) won't actually get you more bonus damage from rending.
Which sounds very uh, wrong
full nacelle
DC has more problems than just carapace dmg
it's definitely a specialized lawnmower more than a well-rounded weapon... but that's all I really need it for in the build since it is 99% bolter forward
sinful swallow
Rending gives way less damage if you go over 100% penetration
full nacelle
same thing with my Graia build... I usually just have my gun out 99% of the time unless I have to clean up the chaff
tall torrent
This guy is saying that having more penetration on your weapon (and therefore hi...
Having 60% ADM vs 61.2% ADM then getting 10% rending has no impact on the exact dmg gained from taking 10% rending, because that 10% is always scaled off of normal dmg (unaffected by ADM)
junior needle
This guy is saying that if your pen stat gives you 40 vs 60 starting adm, that somehow you won't get more bonus damage from a ridiculous amount of rending
sinful swallow
This guy is saying that if your pen stat gives you 40 vs 60 starting adm, that s...
He's just wrong then
tall torrent
This guy is saying that if your pen stat gives you 40 vs 60 starting adm, that s...
If his name is not kuli then he’s probably wrong
junior needle
It's about uncanny and knives
So 120% rending
More than enough to put anything over 100% with change
tall torrent
Uncanny IV is 100% rending + 5% dmg
Because rending converts into dmg past 100%
If the argument he’s trying to make is “uncanny strike is bad” then you can very safely disregard his opinion
full nacelle
Hence the unarmored, frag nade, and why I run exe stance for when I have ammo
I don't see how exe stance helps with your horde clear unless I'm missing something
tall torrent
Screenshot looks like Reddit anyways
bitter turtle
the problem with melee with boltgun is the boltgun's massive pullout time (heh)
You can skip the swap animatipn
junior needle
If the argument he’s trying to make is “uncanny strike is bad” then you can very...
He's trying to say that there's literally no benefit to having a higher penetration stat on a knife
Becuase uncanny exists
full nacelle
You can skip the swap animatipn
Yeah! I practiced that a bit after I saw your video yesterday lol
junior needle
As opposed to a small benefit from excess rending over 100%
full nacelle
Too much trouble though tbh... I'd rather just wait for bolter buffs lul
tall torrent
He's trying to say that there's literally no benefit to having a higher penetrat...
Ykw I’m not sure on that one actually