veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

in the actual game

are enemies spawning in a 360 around you

unless you are dumb

and overextend

[pallid jetty]

NOT IN THE PSYKANIUM 🙂

[civic knot]

sry i meant flame stacks

[crude fiber]

...so you apply the bleed more frequently. bleed caps at 16 stack

[bitter turtle]

idk what to tell you

[pallid jetty]

ill never stop laughing at people who show op tactics and stuff in psykanium and not in the actual auric gameplay

[bitter turtle]

its literally a skill issue if you are getting surrounde dby gunners regularly

[white minnow]

it does apply to actual games because most map sections are a corridor of some sort

and ranged enemies don't do ambushes or anything to unexpectedly surround you

[pallid jetty]

like i dont know that you can run with stamina and dodge shots

[bitter turtle]

cant help you except tell you dont charge in past 20 gunners and then surprised pikachu when 20 more are in front and behind

[pallid jetty]

alright, whatever

[bitter turtle]

gunners do not usually spawn behind

[white minnow]

if you're zealot, you have a degenerate toughness Regen option , crit Dr, and fury

[bitter turtle]

only specialists

and generic trash poxers

[civic knot]

@crude fiber Will u easily hit several targets with kant without manstopper to proc the bleed on elite groups for example? like, how would u go about using this setup? alternate between special shot and normal?

[white minnow]

if you're a Psyker, you have degenerate toughness Regen options

[bitter turtle]

elites tend to be fixed on the map or spawn in front

[white minnow]

if you're a vet, you're a vet

[pallid jetty]

arguing wont change the fact that i get only 1 good team on auric every 2-3 fucking days

[tall torrent]

I forgot the exact FOV value but basically as long as ur not looking at them (they're not on ur screen) they can't hit u

[bitter turtle]

learn to carry then? I can literally run meme setups and clear auric

[white minnow]

just carry them

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/0b6ccc824cbd7a8e4116333c9133cd0f.png

[tall torrent]

it has a set FOV value that's not changed by your video FOV setting

[white minnow]

run meta builds or whatever or find a premade

[bitter turtle]

taxe only no guns final destination

and this was auric mael pug

not just auric

[pallid jetty]

showing the scoreboard omfg... these people are insufferable

[white minnow]

player power levels are overturned relative to even the highest difficulty

[crude fiber]

the special round on kantrael already has good cleave. manstopper would of course give it more but imo scattershot is better

[tall torrent]

all 4 classes have crazy toughness regen now tbh

[bitter turtle]

i was showing u actual mechanics you can use to survive in the game

but then you tell me it doesn't count

so i tell you advice

but no that's not good either

[tall torrent]

only "build" with bad toughness regen is maybe sharpshooter vet

[bitter turtle]

what else can I do but prove its possible

[white minnow]

yeah Psyker prob just gets the most flak cuz they're easily accessible

[crude fiber]

almost 1800 hours and i didnt know shooters were so cheesable

[white minnow]

and even sharpshooter vet has exhilarating to work with which is also obscenely good

[bitter turtle]

yeah they are literally worthless

basically the only time a gunner can kill you

is if you are out of stamina, out in the open standing like a dumbass

[pallid jetty]

when a guy shows his super duper score board it means his opinion also has no value, thats a fact

[bitter turtle]

and you're cut off from an escape

[white minnow]

and even then hits Regen stamina

[tall torrent]

scrap "not" in 4th line, made a typo there

[bitter turtle]

because of melee enemy

ya

[white minnow]

this body can turn bullets into ATP

[bitter turtle]

like literally

[pallid jetty]

some idiots really need a solo mod...

[white minnow]

it is highly degenerate that ranged hits also regenerate stamina

[bitter turtle]

its the last enemy type you really should die to

if you did, it means you overextended or ||or were actually blind and didn't see them, I've died like this before||

[white minnow]

I've died by attempting to duel three reapers as a psword vet

didn't work

[tall torrent]

or u got shot by reaper

[crude fiber]

reaper damage up close is not joke

[bitter turtle]

well i don't suggest charging into a reaper to melee them

i feel like that counts as overextended

[white minnow]

I also got cocky and did this three times in a row by thinking I could run into a reaper patrol and psword them

[tall torrent]

reaper does 40 dmg per hit up to 8m

[white minnow]

this time for sure

[crude fiber]

me desperately trying to stagger a reaper while on my knife zealot

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-standing-here-i-realize-meme-standing-here-i-realize-gif-raiden-vs-armstrong-senator-armstrong-gif-26055562

[bitter turtle]

bots trying to kill a bulwark.gif

[tall torrent]

lone reaper = easy kill
reaper patrol = real shit

with that said

laspistol + ghost just clicking 6 reapers back to back to back

is super satisfying

[bitter turtle]

ghost laspistol just standing out in the open while everyone shoots you harmlessly is satisfying

while you just take your time clicking their heads one by one

[bitter turtle]

btw, I didnt just post a random scoreboard

that was a scoreboard from a game where i literally only used melee, you can see 0 burn damage when flamer was my gun

my point is

u can genuinely just out-movement all gunner enemies and make them do nothing

[crude fiber]

wait so does having duck and dive make you invincible to shooters

[tall torrent]

spread out stalkers are real annoying tho

[bitter turtle]

more or less, as long as you maintain a dodge state through sprinting/sliding or ghost/hit&run

[tall torrent]

basically

but if u play smth like knife

u can sprint slide for so long it kinda doesn't matter

[slender turtle]

Or just run stealth and trench rush with a shovel/axe

[white minnow]

though even with stalkers you can often run into their center and melee lock them and usually outregen them
and on vet I have voc as backup if I overextended

100% toughness Regen on a button's press

[snow panther]

heyooo vet friends, what is good blessing/perk for mk 3 sap shovel for hordin? XD

[bitter turtle]

for horde, specifically, probably uncanny/decimator or uncanny/skullcrusher for light spam

but I like thrust to 1shot crushers over those

decimator is fucking annoying bc it drops all stacks if you miss

and skullcrusher is kinda niche, only really helps on light spam

[slender turtle]

Uhhh blaze away and... rev it up. Yeah

[idle swallow]

chainsaw shovel, that sounds sick

[tall torrent]

uncanny + thrust
carapace dmg perk

[snow panther]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-3998567347368525851

thank you ❤️

[slender turtle]

I can already see a vet just making motorized noises and running faster while slightly raising their shovel up

[snow panther]

if you're runnin thrust, do you pair it with uncanny?

[bitter turtle]

uncanny always

[snow panther]

ty love<3

[bitter turtle]

as #veteran-class message said here too

you need carapace

if you do the thrust thing

or else you cant oneshot

[snow panther]

okay XD

[tall torrent]

folding shovels are only rly worth running if u go for 1 shot crusher imo

they're a nice low point investment all-rounder that helps sharpshooter vet kill armor

[bitter turtle]

all-rounder except when bosses/bulwark show up

[snow panther]

i haven't really found another hording weapon i like yet XD

[tall torrent]

pretty much

MG1a wasn't that bad in boss dmg in the games we played tho

[bitter turtle]

you can run chainsword + some combo of rampage/savage sweep/wrath/shred as well

it should horde better than a shovel

but revs are worse than shit shovel spike

at killing elites

[tall torrent]

chainsword mk13g is good when u don't have me telling u it's dogshit all the time

[bitter turtle]

lol

I still ithink its dogshit compared to 4

i dont get the point of it still

[snow panther]

rofl >_<

i'll give it a go, ty ❤️

[tall torrent]

it can 1 tap crusher easier on zealot

that's it

[bitter turtle]

well zealots can fuck off

i wonder if they should buff the revs

it feels kinda lame the big power fantasy of chainswords actually sucks ass

[tall torrent]

sorry zealot exclusive

too bad

[bitter turtle]

😔

fucking zealot chat people coming in here going "yOu CaNt 1 ReV a mAuLeR?"

jk

[slender turtle]

No, we just insta kill them with krak

[bitter turtle]

kraks suck

[tame lodge]

[hexed cloak]

you guys dont use power swords as meta anymore?

i remember those were all the rage

[bitter turtle]

no its meta

top 3 weapon

[hexed cloak]

ah ok

[bitter turtle]

only weakness is low mobility relative to the other 2

but in terms of raw offensive power, its unmatched

[hexed cloak]

still am of the opinion that there should be some overheat/battery mechanic to its charge thing

unless there is and im just dumb

never played vet

[bitter turtle]

you just have to pwoer it every 1-3 attacks

depending on your power cycler blessing

its not a toggle

if you were under that impression

[hexed cloak]

i was more thinking it was like the force swords

power up do one really good hit

[bitter turtle]

ya

its basically that

but 3 hits instead

think ilsi force sword but 3 slashes

[hexed cloak]

weird attack pattern but it obviously works

[rigid pilot]

Peesword is still meta

But it gets stale

[stark hinge]

They should give it a rework tbh

[hexed cloak]

or maybe add some variants if thats a thing in lore

[white minnow]

battery mechanic battery mechanic

[hexed cloak]

or at least something that makes it so you cant easily spam it with no cooldown or anything lol

makes it too easy to use

[stark hinge]

I think the charging up mechanic invalidates any complexity to either of the weapons combos

[rigid pilot]

Recharge battery by taking out your stim and spamming rmb

[white minnow]

a rework where you would viably have a reason to use both normals and specials and still have the special be noticeably better would be nice

[stark hinge]

Just anything other than what we have now lmao

[gilded wraith]

What are the other 2? Mk7 shovel and?

[stark hinge]

It’s ridiculous that a t4 blessing is basically required too, really damages build diversity

[tame lodge]

Chainsword 4?

[vague lintel]

You would use all the battery in 2 seconds from muscle memory on your first game with it and i will laugh

[white minnow]

they should enable friendly fire.

[vague lintel]

.....

I dont like where this is going

[stark hinge]

And nerf the shredder autopistol

[last parcel]

gonna give those ogryns backshots for days

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk2 combat axe
Catachan mk6 combat blade

Shovel is below them imo, but not bad

[somber axle]

Doesn't meta also like Combat Knife for high mobility and the power to do this:

[terse idol]

Too complex

The Meta likes the Psword because

It's so easy

[hexed cloak]

should definitely also make is to the battery explodes if you overheat it too much, instantly downing you

stay with me here

[crude fiber]

ogryn troll team wipes at the beginning of every mission

[somber axle]

Like it isn't going to be fantastic at horde clear as a Chainsword, Catachan Sword or Power Sword but knife has some power that a lot of people sleep on

[terse idol]

Ain't nobody running the combo dependant combat knife because it is actually

Difficult

Like and I use it

[somber axle]

I do

[terse idol]

The old knife for MOST PEOPLE will probably pull better numbers

[last parcel]

therefore, you are a nobody

[tall torrent]

It’s really not

[terse idol]

Whaat

[vague lintel]

I agree

[terse idol]

You gonna tell me to watch that clip

And tell me that ain't hard

Half of that was animation cancelling and combo manipulation

[tall torrent]

Yea H2 > PA > PA

[terse idol]

Oh

I thought it was alot harder

[bitter turtle]

imo, rashad and knife ye

[terse idol]

I just did like M2, L1, L1, M2

[somber axle]

That's why I am so sneaky. I've been a figment of your imagination this whole time. Can't find me because I never truly existed. Shrodinger's Sneaky Cat. If you open the clown car you'll find it always empty

[terse idol]

For horizontals on hordes

[tall torrent]

Knife has a weird thing going on where you can cancel its heavy attacks before they land

[bitter turtle]

nah

[tall torrent]

That can mess up timing if ur not used to it

[bitter turtle]

just spam push attack on single target

[hexed cloak]

strongest knife user vs weakest carapace armor user

[bitter turtle]

for horde you can just Heavy Heavy LIght and then start alternating Heavy -> light

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-spy-gif-25844405

[bitter turtle]

or jsut light spam

[tall torrent]

Or

Use PA in horde

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-gone-dead-gif-20756091

[tall torrent]

Because PA is same Dmg and cleave as H1 and H2

[bitter turtle]

that can work if they're funneled in a line yeah

[tall torrent]

[terse idol]

But all I'm saying is the average player like me if it gets too compledx

[bitter turtle]

kinda like how you use deimos against horde

[terse idol]

It's already out

[bitter turtle]

line them up and stab

[terse idol]

lmao

But naw y'all are right

[somber axle]

I love Knife speed boost

[terse idol]

Issue being the best weapons are the easiest to use and require little combo manipulation

[somber axle]

Gotta feel like I can be anywhere I want at any time

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-spy-right-behind-you-sneak-sneak-up-gif-26756354

[hexed cloak]

knife zealot #1 enemy: enemy with eyes in back of head

[somber axle]

I wish Knife Zealots had a reason to fear Flamers

Make Flamers able to see through stealth and remove their delay before firing

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[hexed cloak]

honestly just certain enemies in general should have vision to see through it imo

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-pyro-team-fortress-burn-in-flame-fire-gif-15811879

[hexed cloak]

youre telling me snipers got these fancy ass goggles that can scan for targets and get them precise shots but they cant see a guy with some basic cloak tech

[somber axle]

Sniper being a threat to Shroud Zealots and Infiltrate Veterans would be neat

[bitter turtle]

again

heretics lack any sort of object permanence

you throw a smoke at your feet

suddenly they cant figure out where you are

[hexed cloak]

a smoke i can at least sort of understand

but like come on cloak tech aint even that insane

[last parcel]

it's faith

[bitter turtle]

really

like

if you were shooting someone

and they walked into a cloud of smoke

[somber axle]

Make hounds able to track Zealots and Veterans through stealth because we stink

[bitter turtle]

yoiu wouldn't think they're

you know

in the smoke

🤔

[last parcel]

loose cannon swamp ass

[slender turtle]

How do you know?

[hexed cloak]

i would know they are in there but wouldnt have exact pinpoint location in the smoke

[bitter turtle]

its true

[slender turtle]

Maybe its some magician

[bitter turtle]

how would I know if I can't see them directly

[hexed cloak]

think of it like ogryn

if man hide behind shield

where man go?

[bitter turtle]

that's what i mean

no object permanence

[slender turtle]

Like Schrodingers cat.
Veterans smoke

[terse idol]

it's an abstraction of what's really happening

Like it's a massive

confusing smoke bomb

[slender turtle]

Are they in the smoke

[hexed cloak]

to be fair some of the heretics are ogryns lol

[terse idol]

rather than the puff of smoke we see

I gotta play mental gymnastics

🏃

[bitter turtle]

ok fine

[slender turtle]

Or just waste smokes on a horde for the penance

[bitter turtle]

reapers have an excuse

[slender turtle]

Gotta grind it out

[bitter turtle]

not the normal ass scab gunners though

[hexed cloak]

obviously we all know its because the game would be a little too wacky if enemies just kept precisely shooting you when you are standing in smoke

[terse idol]

also uhhhh

we just got anti-IR smoke

So it's extra THICC

[hexed cloak]

the psyker used some brain juice to make the smoke more smoky

youre welcome

[terse idol]

yeah

[somber axle]

Isn't the lore behind heretic Ogryns that they are too dumb to be disloyal and so they follow their commanders without question even into heretic ranks because they lack the capacity to perceive being a traitor and love the Emperor and their commanders so much that they follow any order even and especially when a commanding officer tells them to shoot something regardless of who or what it is?

[bitter turtle]

no

not necessarily

ogryns arent intrinsically nice

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/that-would-be-your-mother-yo-mama-tf2spy-your-mother-gif-18581256

[bitter turtle]

plenty are brutish and violent

fits khorne perfectly

[hexed cloak]

i mean i would assume ogryns are still capable of being disloyal to some extent but what do i know, im not a huge 40k lore guy

all i know is heretic bad and darktide fun in moderation

[slender turtle]

I need a second game to go with darktide

[terse idol]

Ogrynns aren't as stupid as people think they are

But

IN THEORY

Yeah

The reapers didn't know better

Got corrupted by chaos too

rotted their brain more

[bitter turtle]

you dont need to understand chaos to fall to it

so their low intellect doesn't really matter

[somber axle]

Isn't it canon that if an Ogryn can spell their own name or count to 4 they are slated to get a Bonehead implant to improve their intelligence and lead squadrons of other Ogryns?

[bitter turtle]

as long as they give into the appropriate emotion that's all that matters

albiet uh

[somber axle]

Like

[bitter turtle]

i doubt you'll see a tzeenchian ogryn

[somber axle]

Darktide plays up them being dumb too

[bitter turtle]

nah, the darktide ogryn is actually smarter than lore ogryns

[terse idol]

But the ogryns we play have just have the bone'ead implant anywho

[bitter turtle]

one of them has the bone'ead implant or something too

[terse idol]

They might have all had it

But the bardin Ogryn

Has a voice line

alluding that

it's faulty

[bitter turtle]

but yeah

i imagine khorne/nurgle are just pretty much the main avenue ogryns can fall

bloodlust and violence
or
wanting the pain to stop

[terse idol]

The Fated Ogrynn who could count to 6

Who fell to Tzeetch

[somber axle]

We can even see the Ogryn on the dropship trying to count sometimes LOL

They count to like 3 and then struggle and start over

[somber axle]

That's adorable

[elder fiber]

Slaanesh ogryn thats basixally just wh fantasy ogres

[somber axle]

Slaanesh Ogryn in a gimp suit without the ability to even understand what a gimp suit is

[hexed cloak]

set up a system to attempt to teach and foster further generations of ogryns to make them eventually smarter overall ❌
literal meat shields (strong variant) ✅

[terse idol]

Now to be fair only 1 Ogrynn counted to 4 Nork Deddog

[bitter turtle]

ogryns tend to not be meticulous and perfectionist enough for slaanesh I'd imagine, though it sounds more possible than a tzeenchian one at least

[terse idol]

Ogrynns can just get set up with bone'eads if I recall

But I don't remember stories of other Ogrynns who could count to 4

MAybe you're right cat

[azure flame]

Would this be the right place to ask for advice on a weapon, in terms of perks/blessings?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[hexed cloak]

if its for vet yes

[bitter turtle]

ask away

[hexed cloak]

otherwise use the other class chats based on what class it is

just to ensure you get the right crowd yknow

[azure flame]

By far the best PS I’ve gotten so far. Not entirely sure if it’s bricked. I know power cycler is the go to, just not sure about everything else

[bitter turtle]

bricked

you can swap out the blessings and use it anyway though

[hexed cloak]

whats wrong with it

[bitter turtle]

ideal perks are carapace/maniac/unyielding

ideal blessings are pcycler + BM or sunder

that sword has literally nothing

[hexed cloak]

oof, shame with the base stats too

[bitter turtle]

yeah

the perks arent strictly necessary though

just for some good breakpoints

so you can just stick pcycler+bromentum and its usable

enough

[hexed cloak]

i would say maybe hold it for when they do this rework i keep hearing about but idk if thats rumor or confirmed or what

[rigid pilot]

Rework is at least 3 months away

And I'm being positive

[hexed cloak]

ive been here since early launch im fully expecting a long wait regardless lol

[azure flame]

It’s gonna be hilarious when the rework winds up doing away with plasteel in its current form and the hoarding of everything goes to waste (I’m dying inside)

[rigid pilot]

I really expect a third resource to come out from the emperor's bowels

[bitter turtle]

a third?

we dont even use diamantine

lol

[rigid pilot]

My diamantine is always lower than my plasteel

[tough tiger]

is it true that spawns are broken again rn?

[rigid pilot]

Didn't notice anything wrong with spawns

[somber axle]

Imagine the rework leaves everything the same except Hadron has finally figured out how to change THREE things on a weapon now!!

[azure flame]

Would unironically cream my jorts

[somber axle]

Suddenly easier to avoid bricking as long as you got like ONE ok perk/blessing

[tough tiger]

i had a game of austrom on comms plex dish that had a finale that felt like all the enemies went on vacation

like

i can count how many enemies there are on my screen at any given moment

[hollow ibex]

i think so, telepots made a video about it again

[tough tiger]

rip

plasteel farming time

[crude fiber]

does this also require the button to be presed within the 5 seconds?

[viral wraith]

most efficient way to get this done?

[hexed cloak]

shotguns

[neat stratus]

Or the big iron, just shoot into ads

[hexed cloak]

just any gun with super low ammo count really, but shotgun is easier due to spread basically guaranteeing a hit

[neat stratus]

^

[hexed cloak]

just make sure you bring a damn good melee

youre gonna have to rely on that most of the run

[terse idol]

I don't trust shotgun but it's okay

Plasmagun is also not bad

If you only right-click fire it.

[slate hawk]

I did mine with the plasma gun, felt the most reliable and wouldn't get my shots blocked by my teammates

[last parcel]

as long as you dont self explode too much

some guy had to restart twice in one of my matches because of that

[slate hawk]

If you only m1 it's impossible

But doing charged shots to consume 9 ammo a shot is pretty valuable

[oblique totem]

No venting. Only shoot.

[somber axle]

CLOWN TIPS TIME

Go to Brunt's and spend dockets to roll a low ammo Stat variant of the weapon you want

Rig the game from the start make it easier on yourself

[tall torrent]

Orthus offensive, magdump boss shield with revolver/shotgun/plasma

[somber axle]

A 0% to 30% ammo stat is easier to work with than a 60% to 80% ammo stat gun

[left crag]

hmm.. iirc i did it with revolver and just focus on melee once empty

never use an automatic weapon with high ammo count

oh wait nvm it was a shotgun

as long as a pellet hits, it still counts as a hit

[oblique totem]

Explain this statement

[somber axle]

People buy weapons at Brunt's armoury over and over to roll specific stats on a weapon before upgrading at Hadron's. You can roll stats at random buying any weapon over and over but ilvl is random so your stat rolls can be extra low or extra high depending in base ilvl. A 380 weapon will have at minimum 60% in a stat if all other stats are at 80% for example

[tall torrent]

got auric storm survivor just now

[somber axle]

But just like you can roll repeatedly to try for a good stat, you can roll for actual garbo

So buy from Brunt's armoury until you get a gun with low ammo stat for less shots to care about when trying Make Every Shot Count

[oblique totem]

OHHH

For the penance.

I figured it out

[low yacht]

Or get lucky

Just believe enough and the warp will make it come true who needs chaos.

[last parcel]

oh i just made every shot count for that one

bullets respond to instruction much better after whipping

[left crag]

that time when the penance was 100% no missing shots

[terse idol]

I don't think you need go do thaat much

Like

It's in the name

Make every shot count

[slender turtle]

99% of rejects quit before they hit big

[terse idol]

You can afford to miss a few shots if you make up the shots later

I missed like at least 6 or 8 revolver shots

Still got it

[low yacht]

Missing shots you waste ammo.

There is a reason I choose the professional.

[terse idol]

Like, I literally got it when another vet, who was also trying who HAD survivalist

[left crag]

steal more ammo to make up for missing shots

[terse idol]

So I was shooting a STORM

with the revolver

[low yacht]

Wasteful guardsmen disgust me.

You dare waste the God Emperor's Ammunition

[terse idol]

Better a bullet shot then a shot never shot

[low yacht]

We do things right the first time in the inquisition

[left crag]

the emperor provides, you better use them all up

[low yacht]

The Emperor doesn't like when you waste ammo.

More so your commisar.

[oblique totem]

I basically got that one on accident. First time I used a shotgun I just, noticed I was almost out of ammo and decided to go for it.

[somber axle]

It is a clown secret for making it easier and tbh newer players love little tips like this

Easier to make every shot count if you have to fire 20-30 less times with a weapon vs using a version with much higher ammo reserve

[tall torrent]

ok I basically got everything I wanted in this update back to plasteel farm ig

[somber axle]

If you have the spare dockets, it is worth it

[terse idol]

You're making new players spend hundreds of dockits to roll a potentially bad gun

[tall torrent]

got moebian 6th armor and auric storm title

[terse idol]

I mean irs okay

[somber axle]

Yes

[oblique totem]

Back to the mines

[terse idol]

They might find a good weapon

[tall torrent]

atoman elite guard insignia is just luck and timing

[somber axle]

It will make them roll weapons

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[somber axle]

They will hunt for a bad gun and in the process maybe even get a good 380

Imagine!

Wanting a bad gun and getting a perfect gun instead

HAHAHAA

[oblique totem]

Imagine trying to roll a bad gun on purpose and only getting high rolls.

Damn it I was too slow

[terse idol]

I mean frankly it'll teach them about how bad the slot machine gun system is and move on or complain about it like the rest of us

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-storm-lightning-cloudy-gif-17607709

[feral jetty]

hey gamers

hope yall are doin good

[terse idol]

And they don't even know it's good

[oblique totem]

Impossible. Vet mains only suffer

[feral jetty]

I wanna try to get back into my vet but idk what to do for builds lmao

[terse idol]

shucks I was rolling to get a bad ammo weapon, but now I got this 80 damage and 80 ammo but 60 mobility dump!

[oblique totem]

You either put on the clown make up or just remain bitter

[terse idol]

Guess I'll throw it

😭

[left crag]

rolls 20 weapons
"hmm too perfect"
rolls 30 weapons
"ah yes, enough ammo for a poxwalker"

[arctic rampart]

power sword, plasma gun, voice of command. then start building alternatives.

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c01bdd0-5427-4ae7-aa43-5a447710a9a4/generic-vet-3 something like this works for me. 25 toughness & bring it down is my flex but you could take those 2 points out to re-allocate if you want. for example to try grenades or get 3 points for agile engagement or always prepared or lots of other places

if you have problems surviving swap blaze away on the plasma for the toughness regeneration, and combine it with born leader instead of for the emperor

[wraith locust]

i think elites is better than carapace

at least if you're running weakspot dmg

you get the crusher two shot with elites

[tall torrent]

yea now it's elite + maniac

[hidden torrent]

I honestly feel it's generally more fun to just kinda figure out things on your own mostly

Or just get good with what you find interesting

[midnight totem]

saved a guy with a chinchiilla's butthair of health left on the ground

nobody dies for my order

[bitter turtle]

you do, but do you get anything else from going elite?

if not, the whole point of going +carapace is to make it easier to get crusher bp no?

since you can actually get it with neither perk as long a syou dump enough points in melee talent

[tall torrent]

rager 2 hit

possibly shotgunner 1 tap

it's good

[junior needle]

Or just do the boss mission

It's that easy

[bitter turtle]

I see

[somber axle]

Yeah but then they don't learn the wonders of rolling funny weapons for stats to throw at Hadron

Plus magdumping into a boss shield is so boring

[bitter turtle]

idk

i just took a revolver

and shot poxwalkers until i was dry

then melee the rest of the map

[somber axle]

Playing missions legitimately and not trying to be a worse Zealot 90% of the match makes it feel weirdly good to get the penance and a little less frustrating even with rolling a funny low stat weapon

Still killing specials, still killing elites, still supporting the team more than sprinting at things with a melee weapon and occasionally flinging the occasional grenade while shout spamming

[bitter turtle]

i mean

it was a heresy game lol

not really hard to carry even with melee only

[somber axle]

But then I am weirdly self conscious about trying not to troll my team by working on a penance and forcing them to hard carry me over attempts to do it LOL

Also I earned it with a Lawbringer Shotgun, Kraks and Infiltrate

I forgor what melee weapon

Probably chainsword

[last parcel]

power maul on vet

[somber axle]

I haven't tried that yet

[bitter turtle]

well

you cant try that

[somber axle]

Is it fun?

[bitter turtle]

vet doesnt have power maul

lol

[last parcel]

loose cannon has her ways

[bitter turtle]

explain how, I'v eben playing female loose cannon this whole time

[last parcel]

a good magician never reveals their tricks

[bitter turtle]

but only psykers use magic

[tough tiger]

can we have slab shield for vet pls?

[somber axle]

But anyway yeah low stat roll strategy helps whether you are trying Make Every Shot Count my weird tryhardy way or the funny low effort magdump way

And while trying to roll a low ammo stat gun you might even get lucky and get a nice 370+ or even a 380 weapon you might use more longterm

If you're going to spend dockets on guns anyway might as well put the low ammo stat garbo you'd trash immediately to some use before you get rid of it

[vernal sundial]

is survivalist still the go to pick?

[regal smelt]

yeah, but you're less pressured to take it over Fireteam if you need more talents for stuff in the middle of the tree

[midnight totem]

Woot, only one map left to finish on auric damnation

[grand perch]

the more i try the scope options with the customisation mod, the more im convinced longlas would be a terrible terrible weapon

tunnel vision is such a disadvantage, and you can easily snipe with iron sights in this game

[vernal sundial]

the scopes help me cause im shit at aiming

[bitter turtle]

i use a scope on v7

and bolter

its fun

[vernal sundial]

that mod is honestly the 1 reason im playing vet rn lmao

[grand perch]

maybe but i find it really awkward in ~75% of situations

[vernal sundial]

is it optimal? maybe not
but its fun and cool as hell so

[bitter turtle]

i dont think its as bad as you think

on v7 especially

the hipfire is serviceable

but i know some ppl really dont like it so

preference ig

plus

https://i.gyazo.com/ae912868e64f03f02d7e72c57f0e7fdb.jpg

gotta make my bolter look like an anti tank rifle

[vernal sundial]

thats pretty sick

[last parcel]

can a boyfriend stop an anti tank rifle?

[bitter turtle]

maybe if he has a book in front of him

[sinful swallow]

I did a similar set up for my surgical bolter

The Calva has the twin stubber barrel for dakka

[sinful swallow]

If there was a longlas, I think all it would amount to is a slow ammo efficient way to crack crushers but you give up ranged, not dissimilar to bolter zealots giving up range to magdump armor

Plasma gun already does anything you'd want to realistically use the longlas for as far as wanting to map monsters from the back in 1 hit unless you're really larping/SHOCK TROOPER VALUE

[bronze atlas]

this is a point i've made so many times
very little of the combat at darktide happens at ranges where you need magnification and a lot happens at ranges where its a real liability
most combat happens well within the range of basically any gun
they dont make much sense as an anti armor weapon from lore or a design standpoint either

[rigid pilot]

It would be best with dual sights but alas

I would do away with sights and just use crosshairs

[somber axle]

I'd want a Longlas special firing mode that takes a second to "prime" a fully charged shot similar to the Helbores but it activates and begins to slowly charge automatically the instant you use the special action button. Scope in at 2x zoom and the bar fills slowly over like 1 to 1.5 seconds while you hover the cross hair over the target with maybe increased speed while hovering over a target's head. Make the hip-fire unwieldy as hell and the right click a simple 1.5x zoom for standard more accurate fire

Make it punch hard but with a noticeable delay between shots so per shot it can cut down specials and elites. Give it strong cleave for funny TF2 Machina collaterals but slower to make follow up shots so it is a higher skill tier weapon focusing on a Vet not going tunnel vision too hard while trying to use the special firing mode

Special fire 2x zoom can have extra damage or extra cleave like Plasma gun (but not quite to the same level of cleave silliness)

Doming an entire line of Shotgunners trying to sprint through a door would be SO satisfying with something like that

[bitter turtle]

i dont really ever feel like the scope is a liability

on the guns ni use it on

[somber axle]

Also extra funny watching Vets rage at Longlas lining up shots and getting spanked by Dreg Bruisers to throw off the shot right before they fire

Like a new Smiteker to watch for funny moments

Plus it would shine with Infiltrate + Low Profile for setting up big charged up shots through Crusher heads

[bitter turtle]

practically speaking, ive found voc just better for sniper type weapons

as much as one might thematically pair sniper + stealth

but in reality a sniper gun ends up sticking to the team mostly

so infiltrate becomes just a run away tool

or pick up dead guy

and at that poin you should just use voc

[somber axle]

Just thought of something! Special action button could be the Vet flicking a switch or something along the gun to swap between standard shots and the special extra damage or extra cleave slightly more zoomed in firing mode

Would be a cool little animation too

[rigid pilot]

You know I also ended up with this conclusion by doing penances

[somber axle]

Plus it would need a really fun and loud BOOM like the sniper we fight

[rigid pilot]

Sometimes you just don't want things to bother you while you are sniping elites/specials

And these marksmen weapons can already one shot them easily so you don't even really need exe

[somber axle]

Exe Stance Highlight with a Longlas could have niche use on Vent Purge Sniper Gauntlet with Smoke Grenades

Though tbh it already has really fun use for that with other ranged weapons

[rigid pilot]

Spam tag is another cursed solution no one wants

[bitter turtle]

yeah basically

thematically stealth + sniper is cool but

playing stealth in a way that actually makes it good means using it aggressively

and a lot of dmr weapons dont really want to do that

if you're just gonna hang around your team constantly anyway near the rear then you might as well just spam voc

[rigid pilot]

Stealth works until you run out of stealth

[bitter turtle]

it gives you space to snipe all the same

[rigid pilot]

Like you can stealth to a high ground and start sniping, but suddenly you are now getting swarmed and you have to pull out your melee

Stealth should come default 2 stacks so you can stealth away then stealth back to your team

[bitter turtle]

funny though

the best ability for sniper playstyle is to scream loudly constantly

[rigid pilot]

Stealth camo needs to be more a thing

[somber axle]

Stealth and set up next to the Psyker or the VoC Vet with a point in Low Profile. Even after stealth break you have 10 seconds of free time to shoot while the Psyker or other Vet catches all the heat instead

[rigid pilot]

Yea but then you are just playing with your team

[somber axle]

VoC Vet isn't going to notice any extra heat anyway since they're already shouting up a storm

[rigid pilot]

Not the lone wolf sneaking off to the high ground kind of playstyle

[somber axle]

In a squad based game that sounds like a good thing

[bitter turtle]

yeah but at that point

you might as well just use shout too

since you're next to your team anyway

[somber axle]

If you wanna sneak off Lone Wolf style we already have that and it is called Loner Zealot LMFAO

[rigid pilot]

Loner zealot faces the same issues

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate is best with mobile weapons

[rigid pilot]

Except they want to be in melee

[bitter turtle]

run in and pew pew with laspistol or whatnot

infiltrate ciag with hit&run should be pretty good too

get in close, become immune to bullet

[rigid pilot]

Yea there's that blessing

I used to play stealth camo vet pre13 and it's a pretty different turret playstyle

You really get the on overwatch fantasy

[somber axle]

Tbh I don't really understand the desire to split off Lone Wolf style beyond coherency other than quickly dipping away to take out a threat before rejoining the squad and collecting resources the squad would otherwise miss before rejoining the squad

[bitter turtle]

its just a different way to play

its like asking why play ciag over revolver when both of them shoot things and kill stuff

just a different experience that is still effective at contributing

[somber axle]

You lose out on all the benefits of your squad auras, lose toughness coherency, lose out on team support and you are egging on the AI director to spawn disablers specifically to hunt you and punish you for being away from everyone else

[bitter turtle]

albiet its a harder one to play properly

squad auras are pretty whatever, considering vet has the only one that anyone ever cares about

[somber axle]

There's no benefit for splitting away on Vet unless you're trying to do one of the two things I mentioned before rejoining the squad or you are racing to ammo because you have an ammo goblin in the squad who is wasting ammo you need more

[rigid pilot]

I just draw parallels to their previous tide game

[bitter turtle]

its not like you are literally never next to your team either, that is unrealistic. It's more like

lets say u guys are pushing into a room full of gunners and some chaff, you stealth and run ahead of them, shank all the gunners so your team can push in easily

[rigid pilot]

Bring back marksman kruber

Make DT VT2 again

[bitter turtle]

you move with them but split off to make pushing in safe and easy so they only have to worry about the melee enemies

low profile also makes specialists walk past you

so you can kill all the trapper/bomber/flamer before they ever reach your team

cause the trapper will just

walk right in front of you

and then you stab them in the face

[rigid pilot]

Some maps have clear high ground areas that are meant to flank and snipe enemy shooters

[bitter turtle]

[last parcel]

veteran deodorant

[rigid pilot]

But trying to reach there or trying to stay undisturbed is an issue if you just wanna shoot things

[somber axle]

Give us a deodorant talent node to the smoke grenades

Help make Loose Cannon stop being stinky

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-will-try-anakin-skywalker-anakin-skywalker-made-by-fordo-gif-27525595

[bitter turtle]

anyway its really just a different playstyle

like yeah theroetically

i could have just taken v7

'and sniped all the gunners and specials from the rear of my team

but that isnt intrinsically better or worse than stealthing to the gunners and shooting them with a laspistol

there will be scenarios where one might be a little better than the other

[somber axle]

There is one benefit to people splitting off trying to be Lone Wolves

It is REALLY funny when they get netted/pounced and die halfway across the map

[bitter turtle]

well

that is just someone who doesnt really know how to play it

you need to be on point about those 2 always when you split off

you have 2 charges of stealth

there's reall yno excuse

[somber axle]

Loner Zealots sprinting full speed to meet their appointment with a trapper every 5 minutes and then spam pinging when they inevitably get netted

[bitter turtle]

only time i ever get netted/pounced is when im next to the team since i can devote less brain space knowing they are only a couple steps away from me

the number one thing im listening to if i split off is a howl or HEHEHEHHEHEHEH GOT A NET JUST FOR YOU

[wanton dawn]

Lying to yourself is no good

[bitter turtle]

psh

you've played with me multiple times now

i always did infil in our games

unless it was v7

[wanton dawn]

I dunno i did not read above

[somber axle]

Loner Zealots as they hear the net wind up sound just before it fires

[bitter turtle]

plus

who was going to pick up materials

since u were too busy spraying mobs with your brauto to prove you were better than the recon user

[wanton dawn]

"Thats you not me" energy right here

My brain space is always limited, team or not

[somber axle]

me wondering why I wear my clown shoes

then the circus music kicks in and the clown dance begins

[finite carbon]

People yapping about funny clowns and scary clowns

Where all the depressed clowns at

[bitter turtle]

kek

just had the fastest auric mael game ever

except our 4th was literally raging nonstop about ppl moving through the mission fast

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-sad-always-always-sad-hulk-always-sad-gif-19558571

me walking into battle alone with my recon after my squad wiped

[shadow aurora]

Press the magnifying glass in the top right corner

[grand perch]

This kills the chat

[bitter turtle]

its baffling how someone can complain about getting carried through a 15 min auric mael

and do 75k dmg in the run

[somber axle]

I'm finally home from work so idk about you but I wanna hunt

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stalk-slowly-walk-slowly-gif-12765803

[bitter turtle]

legit the first time ive seen 5 digit dmg in AM

https://i.gyazo.com/f3e3e455b1439f9c94446b3f793cfeaa.jpg

idk how a zealot was being left behind by a psyker either

[grand perch]

If he had a hard time keeping up, I understand him completely

[bitter turtle]

he need sto stop dicking around doing whatever then

the guy he was complaining at also picked up the majority of the plasteel while he picked up zero

lol

and the other zealot has no problems keeping up

[shadow aurora]

Auric players are actually some of the most toxic people ive ever seen

[bitter turtle]

funniest part was when we got him back up, he tried to "teach us a lesson' by running ahead in on eof the drop downs to aggro as much shit as possible to wipe us,. ig he thought he was giving us a taste of our own medicine

guess who was the only person that died

most of my experiences in AM was fine

this is like the first actual toxic asshole ive seen

[agile forge]

A gentle reminder that votekick is always an option

[bitter turtle]

it wa skinda funny tbh

i would hav evote kicked if we weren't steamrolling the map anyway

[left crag]

which region you guys playing at? mine is always quiet in the chat

[rigid pilot]

I managed to vote kick someone once

[shadow aurora]

Not kicking him will just make him mald harder

[shadow aurora]

NA

[rigid pilot]

They were toxic and teabagging a downed teammate for like almost 20 seconds straight

[grand perch]

I had the inverse recently. 3 vets and a knife zealot. Zealot immediately aggroed tons of armour, drops aggro and keeps running. I start vote kick and he was gone before turning the first corner

[shadow aurora]

Get completely silent games and talkative ones too

[left crag]

not that im complaining, maybe it helps keeping my sanity

[bitter turtle]

like 50% of the chatting i see is just ogryn rp

ngl

[left crag]

one of the pros im missing out

[whole blade]

whats the best defensive weapon. inb4 knife

[dreamy spade]

Best defence weapon?

Claw sword

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c021f02-c74b-457d-8c2a-2ab9944d4c68/clutch-vet

If anyone can win an auric malestrom with this without getting downed they are a god

[whole blade]

I mean i use variety of builds and dont go down

[bitter turtle]

hadron - "why do you ask questions for which you already know the answer"

[whole blade]

i was thinking shovel cause of the stamina and push limit

[bitter turtle]

no

shovel's alright but

[last parcel]

did you change this from last time

[bitter turtle]

well

if you're ok with doing like no damage to bosses

you cant really duel them

at least in a timely manner

[dreamy spade]

I can't remember

[dreamy spade]

But this is by far the hardest build I've tried

[bitter turtle]

is this some kind of challenge thing

why are you taking infiltrate with no specialist cd

point blank on revolver

[dreamy spade]

You mean tactical awareness?

[bitter turtle]

i hope you know that only works on pistol whip

not actual melee kills

and ye

[dreamy spade]

Oh-

[bitter turtle]

yeah

its troll

[dreamy spade]

Well whose idea was that

Tf

[bitter turtle]

a certain skinny minnow

[rigid pilot]

People who trust fatshark tooltips

[last parcel]

wait i thought you knew that and that was the point

my whole life has been a lie

[dreamy spade]

Well with curios is +12% regen, generally you dont need it faster

This isnt a troll build

Just very hard to use

Try not to fall off stuff when the dodge distance is like 10 miles

[junior needle]

12% ult cdr is peanuts compared to what you can get from tactical awareness

But if you only really use it for the occasional reposition or revive

[dreamy spade]

Well thats what infiltrate is for

I just use it to avoid shooters and revive

Oh

And its super useful for completing tasks

[junior needle]

It has tdr and damage bonus talents

You can use it more aggressively

[whole blade]

im using Hellbore anyway

[dreamy spade]

Meh I think they are weak

[junior needle]

The point tax is ridiculous

[dreamy spade]

It shouldn't be used like stealth

[whole blade]

Good or trash?

or this

[junior needle]

Neither are particularly good

Second one is worse imo

[whole blade]

yeah they were both bad

[bitter turtle]

might as well just take revive shout then

[junior needle]

Supposedly take a swing can be alright according to other people

[bitter turtle]

saves you the trouble of reviving

if you use stealth that way

either way, its a long cd

[junior needle]

You for sure want uncanny on that

[bitter turtle]

i would always take tac awareness

for overwatch infil

[junior needle]

Can take the second one and go thrust>uncanny and crit>flak and see how it goes

[dreamy spade]

No way, leave no one behind is superior because it helps hanging teammates, trapped teammates and tied up teammates

And infiltrate allows you to get to all your tied up teammates

[trim hemlock]

Tfw I never take LNOB because one more grenade is typically just better

[dreamy spade]

Nu uh

It's so underrated

[trim hemlock]

No. It just rarely comes in handy

And one more grenade provides somewhat better grenade economy

[dreamy spade]

Dude if you're running solo queue auric you're guaranteed to be doing it a lot

[junior needle]

Extra grenades seems redundant with regen

[agile forge]

It depends

[trim hemlock]

Not really. Like, people die, sure, I die sometimes, but rarely if ever I think to myself had I only had Leave no One Behind, I would have saved this person

[whole blade]

whats the new shovel like with the anti armour mode?

[agile forge]

Sometimes you need to blow all your grenades at once

And frags are good to double up

[agile forge]

I love the 7

[dreamy spade]

Well its not just about rev speed but stun immunity, damage reduction and movement speed

[trim hemlock]

It is, but you don’t always go for the regen or you have to rely on Demo Team

[agile forge]

You can oneshot Crushers with the bendy bonk attack

[whole blade]

is the stagger just as good as the original?

[agile forge]

Never used the original or the 3

I've only done the 7 but I love it

[dreamy spade]

Grenadier is for people who can't manage grenade economy

[trim hemlock]

I can respect that, but there are other things to use that typically guarantee a save

Like throwing a grenade, going Infiltrate, shouting with VoC before reviving someone, etc.

[dreamy spade]

Although spamming 6 enhanced, twin blast frag grenades is quite fun

Frag grenades are the only blitz that works with all other nade talents

[granite forum]

Anyone got any tips for the long bomb penance?

Can't seem to get it

[trim hemlock]

Throw a grenade at an upwards angle, at a group of enemies, at a long distance, without the grenade bouncing (bounce = fuse time resets and typically makes it so the grenade hits the ground/an enemy)

This is best done on maps with long, open spaces

[granite forum]

Thanks

[trim hemlock]

Like Chasm Logistratum, Hab Dreyko or Ascension Riser

Map finales typically have enough space and sometimes spawn camping types of enemies (shooters) that can eat a mid-air explosion

[granite forum]

I'll try it in a bit

[white minnow]

consignment yard is another notable one
I personally got mines during chasm assassination just throwing a random nade in the air

[last parcel]

i did it on excise vault before the final airlock. threw it from the vault entrance towards the drop you came from

[granite forum]

Just did it first try

[granite forum]

Luckily there was a big wide long corridor full of people

[bitter turtle]

its not redundant

3 -> 4 frags is a big difference

since they are thrown in pairs

[trim hemlock]

I definitely prefer having 33% more frags per capacity over 3 frags total

[bitter turtle]

yeah

not that leave no one behind is bad or naything

but

4 frags is really nince

[junior needle]

That's true if the goal is clearing with them, I didn't account for that. I primarily use them just for disruption (everything that's knocked on its ass is relatively easy to beat to death conventionally) and for that purpose I just chuck them one at a time.

[granite forum]

Now I somehow need to do On Overwatch

[junior needle]

Or if I'm chucking more I spread them out for coverage

[rigid pilot]

You can get hit, just be at full toughness or yellow

Blocking also works too

[errant flame]

Okay i changed my mind about infiltrate

[rigid pilot]

Take shout and peesword and maybe a braced autogun

[errant flame]

Its very funny rushing a bunch of gunners and they just go surprised and stumbled back as if i just screamed boo in their ears

[rigid pilot]

Or maybe not peesword as it might get finicky with activations, Dclaw perhaps

[junior needle]

peesword mobility is not very good

[rigid pilot]

Or knife

[errant flame]

Idk about the smoke grenade

Doesn't feel like something is happening

[rigid pilot]

Smoke is amazing

[errant flame]

I tried it, idk if i'm not using it right or im just missing with the nade

[rigid pilot]

Enemies in the same smoke will still shoot at you though

[junior needle]

Last I played smoke was only amazing for blinding your teammates

[rigid pilot]

Just throw it at wherever you are diving into

[errant flame]

Payday2 smoke

[errant flame]

Ah okay

[junior needle]

But that was before it got buffed

[errant flame]

So its a starting fight grenade?

As in i throw smoke i rush in

[rigid pilot]

Yea esp if you took the extra duration

[errant flame]

I think i did

[rigid pilot]

You can also use it in hallways

But throw it slightly behind your team

[bitter turtle]

They're fine now

[rigid pilot]

So it doesn't blind them

[errant flame]

I went with stealth and weapon specialist along with the lawbringer shotgun

[bitter turtle]

Just use them like a psyker shield

It's the same thing now

Mostly

[errant flame]

Oh?

[whole blade]

thow it on yourself if your being shot at and you cant make it to the guns or oin your team mates to cover them

Smokes are so good

[errant flame]

What does using on yourself do?

I only throw it at people

[whole blade]

reduces enemy accuracy shooting into the smoke

[bitter turtle]

If you stand inside the smoke it makes ranged enemies lose track of you

Don't throw them into enemies

[rigid pilot]

Effectively whatever is inside the smoke? Ranged enemies cannot see

[errant flame]

Ahhhh so thats what im doing

[bitter turtle]

Specialists also can't attack without entering the smoke

[rigid pilot]

Throw them into enemies work if you are running into those enemies

[errant flame]

So its just a throw on me team?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

Or slightly ahead

[errant flame]

kk

[bitter turtle]

Wherever you plan to fight

[errant flame]

That makes sense now

[bitter turtle]

If you do a stealth build

It's also great when you are behind enemy lines

[errant flame]

Yeah im running infiltrate

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[errant flame]

Infiltrate with the extra charge, weapon specialist and smoke

[bitter turtle]

You can cause a lot of disruption by smoking right before you break stralth

Ya that's actually my build too

Laspistol knife

Remember underhand toss doesn't break stealth

[errant flame]

Running it with a Catachan MK IV claw with 3 shred and lawbringer shotty

[bitter turtle]

I usually smoke after stealth if I realized I might have pushed in too far

Since it makes most enemies unable to do much to you

[trim hemlock]

That is nice to know, I suppose? I wonder if it’s intentional

[bitter turtle]

It's way stronger with frags

Still the best nade but smokes are alright now

[errant flame]

Frags are fun to spam

[bitter turtle]

Kraks are the worst now imo

[left crag]

truly a weapon to surpass metal gear

[errant flame]

I swear to god playing loose cannon vet so often made me say karking more than fucking now

[left crag]

laspistols are for dedicated headshot machines, and im not a headshot machine

[errant flame]

I find it more easier when you dont move the mouse and just aim where the head is usually is

Sometimes for fast firing guns i just let the recoil do the aiming

Like the columnus

[left crag]

this guy karks

[errant flame]

I unironically say KARKING DAMMIT

sometimes

It's so funn

[bitter turtle]

its a fun loadout

[left crag]

i have skill issue admittedly

[errant flame]

My fun loadout is just frag grenade spam vet with a columnus and a shovel

As the god emperor intended

Actually...no that's not my as the god emperor intended loadout

That one is the munitorum shovel + the blue lasgun with executioner stance

THAT IS WHAT THE GOD EMPEROR INTENDS

[left crag]

the real guardsman

[errant flame]

Yeah

I have commisar, guardsmen, sapper and jungle fighter loadout

[bitter turtle]

i made this on my first try

https://i.gyazo.com/0190f4a46c39b7de20bc80a3a74d21da.png

game wants me to play slug i guess

[left crag]

nice

[errant flame]

Shit thats a nice shotgun

[left crag]

though i wonder why kantrael have higher damage numbers

[errant flame]

wider spread and it uses dragonsbreath

[white minnow]

it's the heavy variant among them

[left crag]

the ADS feels tighter spread

i think same goes for all shotgun

[errant flame]

I have one of the best cadian chainswords rn

and kantrael on my first try

[proven plaza]

oof still cant put pictures

[dreamy spade]

Hold up, full bore on slug is op

[last parcel]

talk some more

[proven plaza]

i talk alot

[somber axle]

All of the Shotguns fill a fun role tbh

Agripina: Bolt Action Rifle 1HKO gameplay sniping heads with the slug shot mid-long range and the option to fallback into firing rapidly if you have multiple problems that need to be killed very fast (Grab Full Bore + Manstopper blessings and you get a slug that penetrates heads on crits to delete a row of Shotgunners in 1 shot) and is also the only gun in the game that can still 1 shot break a Bulwark shield into stagger

Kantrael: Best per shot damage for general elite/special killing with standard shot and good mixed horde clear through special shot (2 fire shots apparently clear poxwalkers and ragers mixed in with them as an example)

Lawbringer: Manstopper/Scattershot memes for anti-horde evaporation tool that can still kill specials/elites in a pinch

I have a massive bias toward the Agripina

[last parcel]

oh yeah that's a lot of messages. you should probably talk to a mod about that

[somber axle]

Lawbringer is so funny with the wide horizontal shot when you've got Manstopper and Scattershot that it's probably THE most ammo efficient gun in the entire Vet arsenal for wiping out rooms of poxwalkers/groaners and the only thing that can kill hordes better for less ammo is a Psyker Purgatus staff LOL

no other gun can use a single shot and make a room go empty (though you still have the specials/elites to deal with since it usually will not kill those too unless they were already low)

[bitter turtle]

id think lawbringer would win

just on the account of the range

purgatus gotta walk up with that stubby ass fire range

might still lose to flamer though

the range on flamer is surprisingly

way longer than purg staff

i guess that's the tradeoff for being free of ammo

[somber axle]

I did Make Every Shot Count with a Lawbringer so it holds a special place in my heart

I also did the Marksman's Focus penance kills at 10 stacks with it too

deleting entire hordes makes for very fast progress on that penance

but Agripina is just

https://tenor.com/view/onehit-tryhard-gif-24675955

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/musket-roadman-gif-22519863

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-russianbadger-the-founding-father-meme-own-a-musket-for-home-defense-gif-23094322

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/0958b2f6090a0a20ce7be47faf7e0015.jpg

time for revolver with extra steps

[somber axle]

OH I ALMOST FORGOT

Agripina Shotgun special shot slugs can penetrate and stagger Crushers

So you can repeatedly load slugs and kill Crushers with it

Something the other shotguns can't do

TTK on Crushers with an Agripina Shotgun isn't amazing compared to other guns like Revolver, Plasma, Helbores (Mk III Helbore literally 1HKOs Crushers with the right set up)

but an Agripina is not just damaging and killing a Crusher, it is staggering it and shoving them around onto their ass

so you're CCing the Crusher while you're killing it

[dire olive]

And can unshield a bulwark

[somber axle]

can let you do clutch cross the room saves to stop a Crusher overhead from slamming into a team mate

[bitter turtle]

goddamnit

i cant get everything i want on this tree

do shotguns have suppression immunity

[snow cypress]

Hi,which aura do you recomend with stealth?

[bitter turtle]

movespeed so you dont waste a billion points

its a good aura anyway

oh

shotguns seem like they do have suppression immunity

not that i t matters for anything other than agri

[snow cypress]

Do you mean this one?

[bitter turtle]

yes

unless your gun

[somber axle]

Depends on your overall build and what weapon you're running. If you're going Weapon Specialist to dip deeper into being a melee/ranged Vet hybrid quickly swapping between the two or relying more heavily on your melee then I'd recommend Move speed aura because it feels very, very good to use to close distances. Survivalist Aura ammo regen is still very good for some weapons and helps alleviate ammo problems (just not as much as before). Fire Team is ok in certain moments too but like overall Fire Team is eh

[bitter turtle]

is very ammo hungry

then run survivalist

fire team should be avoided unless you know what you're doing (it helps you reach a bp you otherwise wouldn't, since its a boost to all damage types)

since you're asking, just dont take it

[snow cypress]

I use the Zarona

[trim hemlock]

I concur that back when I used Agri shotgun on Zealot it was either really toned down or completely irrelevant

Especially when hip-firing slug shots

[bitter turtle]

i suggest going a few games and see how you feel without survivalist

if you find yourself bottoming out a lot

then swap to surv

[somber axle]

Fire Team is ok if your gun between stats, perks, blessings and other talents is still just short of a very important breakpoint and you can't find the damage to hit that breakpoint any other way. Fire Team will give you that consistent breakpoint. Otherwise it's really only useful for team wide damage stacking on boss fights with Focus Target 8 stacks for helping punish the Karnak Twins or ripping apart monstrosities/assassination missions

[bitter turtle]

otherwise, its a waste of 2 points

since its very far from infiltrate

[snow cypress]

I use this one XD

[bitter turtle]

yeah i really wouldn't suggest it

[snow cypress]

damm it

[bitter turtle]

most of the time it just doesn't really matter

also

its below krak

which is probably

the worst grenade to take with revolver

so extra wasted points

[snow cypress]

really?!?!

[bitter turtle]

you have