welcome to the cult
#veteran-class
last parcel
hearty panther
ive got the entire getup too
unfort that there was not a helbore skin during the krieg release tho
also helbore blessings kinda suck huh
like really the big thing is just surgical and a big part of that is the ammo uptime with shocktrooper
and weight of fire is almost useless if youre shifting between stab and shoot
wise fossil
also helbore blessings kinda suck huh
No respite buffs the bayonet stab
tall torrent
i didnt find a single breakpoint with it
U need agile engagement + no respite for some BPs
wise fossil
Could always take infernus for the extra boss damage 🤷♂️
last parcel
I just pretend the second blessing doesn't exist
hearty panther
yea thats where im at lmao
whole blade
for a hllbor is marksman focus o focus target better?
tall torrent
for a hllbor is marksman focus o focus target better?
Focus target is more consistent, marksman focus is higher potential
dawn garnet
this shit is a warcrime
oblique totem
Ok so.
Chainsword.
Which blessings are we wanting?
serene bough
Rampage, savage sweep, and/or bloodletter
need a cleave blessing, and then its a choice between ramage which is just consistent damage boost or bloodletter which pushes a lot of 1hko breakpoints on enemies like ragers
oblique totem
Hmm
hollow warren
huh, didn't know that
I've got a +3 stamina with base rating at 80. is 80 the max base rating a curio can go?
dreamy scaffold
does Fire Down Range only count one game or no
tall torrent
I've got a +3 stamina with base rating at 80. is 80 the max base rating a curio ...
Yes
midnight totem
I somehow managed to drag this team over the finish line
without any deaths
this ogryn and other vet were hellbent on dyin'
last parcel
somber axle
Ok so.
Chainsword.
Which blessings are we wanting?
Depends on which variant. Mk IV uses heavies for more efficient horde clear than light spam so you can get way with Rampage + Savage Sweep but since Chainswords have a unique thing of lacking damage falloff for cleave on crits some people would argue Rampage + Shred is better (particularly for Zealots). Rampage + Wrath is ok though. Bloodletter is only if you want to up the boss DPS or try for a silly Crusher 2HKO breakpoint with Bloodletter and +Carapace (wouldn't recommend since you need 2 rev'd strikes iirc and it keeps you stationary and vulnerable during the Chainsword bite animation)
Oh and for the XIIIg variant you definitely want to ignore Savage Sweep. That one uses light spam for horde clear so you want something like Rampage + Wrath for the most efficient horde clear unless you're going the Rampage + Shred route or the Rampage + Bloodletter route
Also I'm not saying light spam on the IV is bad just that chaining heavies can clear hordes very, very well on the IV
oblique totem
War update: Had a psyker on the team that tried to speed run. Got bogged down trying to keep up and the team went down. We recovered but the psyker died. They then called us all trash and quit.
swift bear
can you get power cycler 4 from upgrading to blue or does it have to be orange?
tall torrent
can you get power cycler 4 from upgrading to blue or does it have to be orange?
random drop
Seems like going orange has higher chance for tier IV blessings tho
hollow ibex
I waited for melks after burning 20k plasteel
sleek garden
and weight of fire is almost useless if youre shifting between stab and shoot
weight of fire on auric maelstrom is the best thing
whole blade
My hellbore build. idk what to do with my last point
last parcel
My hellbore build. idk what to do with my last point
grab iron will so you dont die
whole blade
aight
oblique totem
Oh right. Iron Will
midnight totem
my zealot's cursed bm1 axe is now auric approved
last parcel
with that skill setup, you should be able to do it in one shot with +25% carapace perk
whole blade
I have 25 carapace and flak
weight of fire and surgical
and you are right with a crit I can 1 tap them
but can easily consistently 2 tap thhem
I just dont need deadshot
tiny summit
I have 25 carapace and flak
How're your maniac bps? Only thing I can see flak for is flak ragers.
whole blade
My Recon build btw
whole blade
How're your maniac bps? Only thing I can see flak for is flak ragers.
let me double check
whole blade
How're your maniac bps? Only thing I can see flak for is flak ragers.
It 1 or 2 taps every maniac. Depending on headshots and crits
tiny summit
My Recon build btw
How much does suppression effect recon ads? Been a while since I seriously wanted to mess with recon
tiny summit
anyone got a build with krack that doesnt feel trash to play
Yea just grab all nade talents with VoC
whole blade
How much does suppression effect recon ads? Been a while since I seriously wante...
Its pretty flat shooting I dont notice any major effect
thick hedge
Yea just grab all nade talents with VoC
what weapons
bitter turtle
anyone got a build with krack that doesnt feel trash to play
the best way to do that penance
is to use it on trash mobs
scab bruisers count as armored
and shooters
so group up trash mobs and bomb them
last parcel
How much does suppression effect recon ads? Been a while since I seriously wante...
Messes with me enough to make me miss heads
tiny summit
It 1 or 2 taps every maniac. Depending on headshots and crits
Alright, then I guess you're fine. Since flak on helbores is usually meh since it's usually only relevant for mauler body shot and flak ragers since other flak units will die to head taps
whole blade
Alright, then I guess you're fine. Since flak on helbores is usually meh since i...
it lets me 2 tap maulers and Flakzerkers to the chest without my Ult which makes it worth it to me
tiny summit
what weapons
Whatever you're comfortable with. Plasma. CIAG. Revolver. Just whatever really. You'll get so many nades with stockpile and demo team you really don't need to worry too much about armor and being w/o a krak
somber axle
How much does suppression effect recon ads? Been a while since I seriously wante...
Noticeably bouncy shots when you're aiming mid to long range while suppressed
Suppression immunity node is worth it if you can spare the point
ebon umbra
bouncy mode engaged
ebon umbra
bouncy stance 220
ebon umbra
anything is viable if you don't lose
last time i really used supression was during a double boss fight and my 12 ammo count plasma 3 hp self just occasionally shot at a shooter horde
so i dont think you'll get much realistic use
but it could be fun
whole blade
last time i really used supression was during a double boss fight and my 12 ammo...
i remember using suppression a lot and it worked. It's usually best against enemies in cover. The issue is you need to co ordinate with you team. Suppress guns so your zealot can take them out. Most people just arent interested in team work like that.
IIRC theres also a bug that made one faction immune to suppresion
another thing I liked to do as zealot is using an autogun or shredder to fire while moving to close the distence
Suppression is fun but like I said its niche and requires team work
ebon umbra
teamwork makes the dream work tbf
suppression is hard for me to gauge sometimes because good suppression suppresses things I'm not really directly looking at
i like to always be moving while shooting, too
radiant chasm
Zealot doesnt usually need suppression to get to shooters, all of our abilities or at least sliding get us to them easily
Suppression is icing you get when you shoot to kill
Literally, getting a kill with your gun makes enemies nearby more “suppressed”
radiant chasm
i remember using suppression a lot and it worked. It's usually best against enem...
Not a bug but iirc, poxwalkers (not groaners) are immune to suppression in purpose, and scabs, especially scab stalkers, are harder to suppress and recover quicker because they are trained military
whole blade
Zealot doesnt usually need suppression to get to shooters, all of our abilities ...
spraying a volley to suppress enemies behind cover before moving is something I usually do
whole blade
Not a bug but iirc, poxwalkers (not groaners) are immune to suppression in purpo...
I remember the bug was the yellow enemies where harder to suppress.
radiant chasm
You’d still be better taking an extra split second and carch some peeking heads
whole blade
You’d still be better taking an extra split second and carch some peeking heads
like I said I do that with high fire rate weapons like braced autoguns or shredder
or shotguns
radiant chasm
Huh, i remember the dreg bug but i thought they fixed it, last i played they seemed normal but wdik
whole blade
suppression is hard for me to gauge sometimes because good suppression suppresse...
whenever they are behind cover and not shooting you is supression working. As Ogryn with stubber thats what I do. spray in their general direction to let my team mates manouver.
Im still using WW2 Fire and Manoeuvre tactics in my sci fi shooter.
radiant chasm
Achlys maybe, but gorgon can pick off peeking or panicking heads
whole blade
Huh, i remember the dreg bug but i thought they fixed it, last i played they see...
im saying idk if they fixed it or not
radiant chasm
And krourk, poor krourk
oblique totem
Im still using WW2 Fire and Manoeuvre tactics in my sci fi shooter.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
whole blade
like I said I dont have team mates that can take advantage tho which is disapointing
radiant chasm
I solely use agri brauto on vet it is just a switch from going from rambo to slowing down and counterstrike stand still and tapfire
oblique totem
I try at every opportunity to flank groups of enemies being attacked by my team. It's very satisfying
radiant chasm
Yee thats why im saying go for the kills if you can, it helps suppression and carries your tesm
whole blade
Yee thats why im saying go for the kills if you can, it helps suppression and ca...
I mean sure. but if its fun and viable i like to do it
radiant chasm
I’m VoC or executioner, very little flanking for me
whole blade
I’m VoC or executioner, very little flanking for me
Smoke Nades are slept on
whole blade
Love krak nades on my recon build
oblique totem
Friendship with Krak grenades ended.
Shredder Grenades are now my best friend.
whole blade
What do I do with my last 3 points. This is a regular lasgun build
ebon umbra
What do I do with my last 3 points. This is a regular lasgun build
it depends on what you want to do with it. if we're finishing this build i'd round it out with nade talents
whole blade
I got demo team
i can only get regen grenades
I can bring the deployable buff maybe?
ebon umbra
try the middle tree node leading to the grenade every 60 seconds cant remember the talent name
your choice tho
whole blade
yeah I know the regen grenades
ebon umbra
i find those handy. field improv is a lot of fun tho and can be a neat trick when you're in a pickle
whole blade
is double grenades a meme
last parcel
yes
last parcel
you get supp resist while using exe stance
junior needle
What do I do with my last 3 points. This is a regular lasgun build
Deadshot can be quite good depending on which one you take
If you go ilas you can leverage deadshot/dnd with ghost
whole blade
Deadshot can be quite good depending on which one you take
I dont like deadshot I just refuse to use it
ebon umbra
try field improv. you can always change your build later
junior needle
What gun in particular?
whole blade
no theres only 1 lasgun.
Theres Hellebores and Recons and Las PISTOLS
junior needle
They are all lasguns, just like the autopistol is an autogun
But I'll assume the k12
That one has been superceded by the 1a currently, which has similar breakpoints but also better qol and higher dps
junior needle
Voc with overshield is extremely strong, are you particularly attached to exe?
junior needle
It works exceedingly well for any setup, as even on a "ranged" setup it gives you (and your team) a ton of breathing room and a constant stupidity buffer
split sapphire
I like using deadshot now, just gotta learn only to use it when necessary
junior needle
Last I checked mf was harder to leverage on slower firing weapons
So you might prefer going the ping keystone, which is very easy to use if you bind ping to your primary fire
Born leader is generally very low value
You could trade that for the damage on ult
Marksman (the node, not the keystone) is also very strong
ebon umbra
i cant not read mf as mfer
always makes me do a double take
did they fix ping binding to be less intrusive for teammates?
junior needle
did they fix ping binding to be less intrusive for teammates?
No 
There are elective ways to minimize that however
Such as using the autofire/swing mods
Which don't technically press the button to trigger the ping so it gives you much more control
rigid pilot
Lessannoyingpings mod
lilac eagle
Hmmmm
My search for the 300 damage XII continues
Highest I've seen is 289, I thiiink
rigid pilot
Does it even exist
ebon umbra
i saw john darktide with it once
lilac eagle
Prolly not, considering the % lies and it doesn't actually go up to 100%
Max is probably 290
rigid pilot
Max is 80%
elder fiber
nice instability modifier
lilac eagle
Right? Fucking machine spirit gremlins
sinful swallow
lilac eagle
Rocking this build rn, sorry I don't have the mod to actually show the whole tree without cutting the top and bottom off lmao
Is this any good for just a straight crit ranged build?
white minnow
which lasgun is this for?
i personally would not take this node, especially since you should be stacked on toughness with both exhilarating and confirmed kill
i would take stamina regen delay instead of tdr
normal sparrow
Ah yes the 'you got poxburster'd, run' node
white minnow
are you going for a crit-themed build specifically at all costs or are you also asking for what's optimal
junior needle
Yeah that node isn't worth dropping two points for
If you want to leverage deadshot well then dnd is also recommended
You don't really need charismatic if you aren't running voc either
Grenade regen is also a very good pickup that is right there
And team highlighting will often lead to your team poaching exe resets from you
lilac eagle
Yeh its full crit/ranged damage build
white minnow
especially if ogryn highlighting has been taken instead of shooter highlighting
junior needle
Oh yeah, strongly recommend shooter highlights instead
white minnow
i'd go down Shredder Frag grenades for point economy since you're going into executioner's stance anyways
lilac eagle
See but then I feel I have zero response to Crushers
junior needle
What is your preference for melee
lilac eagle
Don't engage in it lmao
white minnow
if you don't mind using meta options then there's the mk6 power sword
lilac eagle
I'm trying to find a powersword iwth powercycler, but until then we just avoid melee
junior needle
Don't engage in it lmao
Bad approach in this game, you will have to learn hold your own in melee
lilac eagle
Oh I know, played this game since release. I just find it easy to dodge around and kite
junior needle
We can give you some easy to use options
But you can't just shift the burden of clear onto everyone else
And DON'T magdump into melee chaffe
lilac eagle
I do tho lmao
junior needle
Do =/= should
lilac eagle
I practice the art of gun-fu. Kiting and headshotting people who are actively grouping around me in a horde
junior needle
Shooting into melee chaffe to avoid using your melee weapon is a colossal waste of resources
And also just less efficient in terms of clearing
There's plenty of easy melee for clearing
13g is a super simple light spammer
lilac eagle
I will swap to my melee when its not viable to kite endlessly, like on elevators or defense sections
But I just like the pewpew
lilac eagle
If you want to leverage deadshot well then dnd is also recommended
Side note, wtf is DND
white minnow
i'd personally do something like this if shredder frag grenades were an option
somber axle
I practice the art of gun-fu. Kiting and headshotting people who are actively gr...
Do you mean backpedaling and spamming M1 into poxwalkers
white minnow
i normally wouldn't take +toughness regen with marksman stacks, but it might help since there's not enough points for iron will
lilac eagle
Oh fuck I completely forgot about the +crit on dodge
somber axle
Like don't get me wrong the Kantrael Lasguns with a crit + Shock Trooper build is a gun that can spray and keep spraying without too much worry about ammo
But it does have reverse damage falloff afaik
lilac eagle
Do you mean backpedaling and spamming M1 into poxwalkers
Maaaainly I dodge around melee chaff killing specialists, shooting inbetween them n' shit, then clear out the chaff
somber axle
It does increasingly less damage to a target the closer they are to you
You can test it in the Psykanium
It might be hitting the point where body shots are failing to kill individual chaff on hit depending on how close they are
lilac eagle
Oh it 100% does, but headshots are easy
All the chaff's heads are at the same level, so its literally just a case of keeping your mouse on the same vertical plane and just moving left and right
somber axle
As long as you're ok doing my fav clown break dancing routine dodging in the frontline while shooting heads then you're fine
junior needle
Just remember that reciprocity is currently iffy on proccing with ranged attacks
somber axle
But body shots at melee range are gonna be wasted shots
white minnow
iffy though there's usually going to be ranged trash
lilac eagle
Just remember that reciprocity is currently iffy on proccing with ranged attacks
So DND or reciprocity, 'cuse I'd like the crit
white minnow
and if you're greedy, you'll be preferentially taking out the elite enemies first
somber axle
So DND or reciprocity, 'cuse I'd like the crit
DND imo since you are dodging already
white minnow
i'd take both if the point economy permits
somber axle
More Stam, more Deadshot, more crits, more free shots, more damage
lilac eagle
I require 1 more point
white minnow
what does your new tree look like now?
lilac eagle
Uno momento
Figured out I could just zoom out the actual tab lmao
Could probably drop the rending on marksman's focus
white minnow
i'd do that just so that i could pick up Confirmed Kill
lilac eagle
Also I don't like grabbing supression immunity, but fuck me am I too slow right now to snap shot gunners before they start shooting at me
frank ledge
Just clip yourself into a wall
terse idol
some wepaons don't need it to be fair
white minnow
yeah it's real nice so that you don't have to depend on exe's stance for suppression immunity
white minnow
you might consider giving up Marksman (the combat ability node next to +elite damage) since you probably don't need that extra damage 90% of the time besides for reapers since you're racking up a lot of finesse damage with Marksman Focus to hit most human breakpoints, unless it's letting you hit scab/dreg rager oneshots
slate hawk
frank ledge
lilac eagle
you might consider giving up Marksman (the combat ability node next to +elite da...
See I don't know if reapers just have incredibly low health, but right now I 2 - 3 shot them lmao
Did they fuck the graphics settings or something? In game right now and my FPS is stuck at 30
Despite being set to 60 in the settings
white minnow
maybe the settings didn't apply properly
have you tried setting it to another fps value and then back to 60 to see
since mines is working fine
lilac eagle
Yeh, highest it'll go to is about 50
My PC has not gotten worse since this game came out lmao
tough tiger
is there a reason to run the laspistols?
lilac eagle
Wtf did they do to Darktide
I don't quite understand how my GPU isn't doing anything but my CPU is tanking the entire game
rigid pilot
is there a reason to run the laspistols?
High headshot damage and high crit damage/chance
Handles better than iLas
rigid pilot
I don't quite understand how my GPU isn't doing anything but my CPU is tanking t...
Typical cpu bottleneck
lilac eagle
I've literally not changed anything about my set up
rigid pilot
They might have done something on their side
lilac eagle
If there was no bottle necking on launch, then there shouldn't be anything now
rigid pilot
Maybe the new skulls and totems are just resource hogging 
rigid pilot
Crucian 😔
trim hemlock
seeing how "consistent" it is in the Meat Gringer, I'm honestly considering switching to Surgical
rigid pilot
Yea I run surgical agripvolvo
No fanning allowed
It's just a zarona with no cleave but fast reload
trim hemlock
and then I noticed Agri's ADMs
Flak on Zarona
Flak on Agri
Like... why?
and don't even get me started on the damage fall-off
tough tiger
obesemegalodon pls buff
frank ether
I don't know why there is such a drastic difference
but if makes you feels you any better, I suspect zarona might get bonked when they do a patch
trim hemlock
apparently having a speedloader is such a big difference
civic knot
Do i have to use this karkball aura to do this penance or can my teammate also use it so it and i will still be able to rack up those kills?
odd sparrow
Agri is the "lower armor pen" option
trim hemlock
and the ability to fan makes your bullets carry 50% less powder load
thorn lark
Agri is the "lower armor pen" option
Just "lower" option
trim hemlock
Do i have to use this karkball aura to do this penance or can my teammate also u...
You actually need to use it, but you benefit from your colleagues killing things.
odd sparrow
Wish it was better though
frank ether
imo zarona should have been a slower rof weapon to differentiate the two further, like maybe zarona should have been a double action revolver to begin with
trim hemlock
It's not a bad aura - focus on the positives
you get to take Grenade Tinkerer, probably
you can easily branch out for any of the abilities
odd sparrow
Dont have to eat point tax to get VoC
Very slightly faster monstrosity kill times
Can also occasionally help with your own breakpoints
civic knot
It's not a bad aura - focus on the positives
ye it is and unless youre not running it for a penance you are doing your team a great disservice xDD
civic knot
Can also occasionally help with your own breakpoints
run longshot if u want BPs lol
lilac eagle
Aight, think I fixed my issue somehow
odd sparrow
Longshot cant help my power sword
lilac eagle
Apparently I haven't dusted this thing in fucking years, or shoving it under my desk just made it a magnet for dust iunno, but 3 out of my 4 intake vents were blocked with dust
Going in with a toothpick to clean out the little side slits, coming with out actual chunks of crap
trim hemlock
ye it is and unless youre not running it for a penance you are doing your team a...
I do not care if people genuinely don't want to run Scavenger - not running Scav is really not that big of a deal
I'd honestly rather a person adjust their build to be fully functional than try to stick in Scavenger and other nodes they probably don't need, but don't operate at full efficiency v some sort of threat
odd sparrow
Survivalist really isnt as required as before. Still good but it doesnt make your ammo count into an infinity symbol anymore which was pretty ridiculous
junior needle
Strongly depending on the weapon
People in my games would regularly prove that wasn't the case in practice
trim hemlock
Right, I’m not holding this view totalitarily, but I genuinely don’t think it matters a great deal
finite carbon
Works well with revolver or bolter when 1% of the ammo (rounded up) fills a lot. Can't say much for the other weapons though
R.I.P the days when hound hordes were just free ammo for the team
balmy flume
Remember the days when Poxhound groups were ammo fills?
balmy dune
I miss it... shotgun and bolter just feel unusable after the change.
tough tiger
lol
just dont magdump your bolter
actually aim and click heads
way more ammo efficient than you think
agile yew
Melk offering, looks pretty solid if just switch Volatile to Crit and Sprint to Flak?
vivid silo
Get's Hot or Blaze Away are both good, depending on your build and playstyle
Blaze Away benefits most if you are magdumping from 0 --> 100, fully vents and does the same. Get's Hot is more useful if you are magdump to 100 heat and then switching to your melee while it cools (or if you are willing to tank your RoF and venting every 2 shots after reaching 100 heat).
Depending on your build, crits might not do that much for you outside of bosses
civic knot
Does agile engagement include grenades as ranged dmg?
agile forge
That's a good question Rhonda
bitter turtle
Like... why? <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Because they decided to actually make a balanced gun
Zarona needs a bonk
bitter turtle
I miss it... shotgun and bolter just feel unusable after the change.
Bolter is perfectly fine if you play it correctly
I barely picked up any ammo
Still can kill a lot
You can't outskill ammo efficiency so the scoreboard results are relevant here
The gun is capable of killing a lot while maintaining healthy ammo count
Just stop magdumping it into every schmuck you come across
The only time thats a valid option is in a panic scenario with a lot of armor in front of you and monstrosities
Bolter has high finesse so not going for headshots hurts it very badly
bitter turtle
cool
I second surgical
But if you want to meme fan everything like a bolter hipfire main
Run n gun and sustained fire are much better than crucian
10 percent close range power on all bullets and 20 percent damage on bullets 2, 3 and 4 respectively
They're really similar when you get down to it
Should only fan on heavy armor or monstrosities
Bolter has range, agrivolver has speed
trim hemlock
... is Deadshot still a considerable skill to take on it?
I think it is. It's just that the build I have is extremely starved for skill points
snow cypress
Hi,is smoke greanade good? I see no point on it
trim hemlock
it is decent-ish, but its value is provided it in enabling offence on the players' end, and sometimes in defence while doing objectives/what have you
bitter turtle
... is Deadshot still a considerable skill to take on it?
Yes
Frankly I think it's even more necessary
Zarona often only shoots off one or two bullets, I can see dropping deadshot since you're going to be playing wep specialist on zarona and the first shot is always critting anyway
If you want any consistency in your fan for agri
You're gonna need deadshot
snow cypress
it is decent-ish, but its value is provided it in enabling offence on the player...
oh,I see
bitter turtle
Remember you don't need weapon specialist as badly for agri as well
bitter turtle
Hi,is smoke greanade good? I see no point on it
It's a psyker bubble
Just treat it like one
north raptor
bubble heals tho
snow cypress
||wall is better anyway||
lol
idle swallow
we gettin that power
agile forge
I still prefer bubble, constant passive toughness regen makes it a little bit better in a mixed encounter when you're getting shot at in a melee
also longer minimum duration
sterile phoenix
Does the 50 you get from the shout even at max toughness count towards the penance?
finite carbon
Does the 50 you get from the shout even at max toughness count towards the penan...
Don't think so?
It says recover toughness, so the extra you get from shout don't count I think
Did that one with all toughness curious and talent nodes lmao
sterile phoenix
Time to go stand in fire like a nonse lol. Or just get hit by automatic fire repeatedly
rigid pilot
Nox gas modifier 
mental cloud
Is there a trick to grinding out blessings on your weapons? Any tips would help lol
inland orchid
the higher the modifier base stat the more likely you'll get a higher tier blessin, example being a 280 ratin knife will have less chance of getting tier 3 mercy killer compared to a 310 of the same type 
regal smelt
Is there a trick to grinding out blessings on your weapons? Any tips would help ...
waste plasteel on a bunch of grays or wait out the shop to get tier 2/3 variants
Got all except 1 of the ogryn weapon blessings back when the plasteel refund bug existed and gave you effectively 5x the amount of plasteel you actually had for crafting
inland orchid
waste plasteel on a bunch of grays or wait out the shop to get tier 2/3 variants
i second the shop suggestion, the regular armory has passed me like 3+ blessings of decent rarity that i was able to snag for easy ordos
regal smelt
melk too of course
inland orchid
100%
regal smelt
that's the real safe way to get tier 4s without risking plasteel
mental cloud
Thanks recently decided to sweaty the game that’s been the only learning curve. Weekly contracts are bad ass though. I’ll spam the grays for sure. I have a bunch of Ordos sitting round anyhow.
quick burrow
What's the best inf lasgun
mental cloud
Wouldn’t that be build dependent?
regal smelt
What's the best inf lasgun
mg 4 good for stacking Infernus and Onslaught, but you really need to download the full auto mod instead of straining your shooting finger. All the infantry las guns have pretty much the same dps just with different firerates now. It mostly depends on if you want more damage per shot, or just more shots.
wraith flare
If it’s las its stinky and mid change my mind
agile forge
What's the best inf lasgun
1a most popular now
12 used to be best but has fallen behind a bit, I feel like it has little point next to a helbore 2
4 is the optimal choice for breaking your mouse's LMB
mental cloud
If it’s las its stinky and mid change my mind
🤣 the recon las has yet seem effective granted I’m grinding blessing sooo
wraith flare
It’ll forever be mid and feel bleh to use with how floaty they are
slow spade
MG La is at least good
quick burrow
What do u like better than inf las ?
whole blade
What do u like better than inf las ?
Hellebore or autogun
tho inf las is very good
Laspistol is a goo time too
quick burrow
I just like not having to worry about ammo lol
somber axle
Try having a Helbore then! With Shock Trooper and a bit of crit from Surgical you're basically shooting for free all day
finite carbon
Try having a Helbore then! With Shock Trooper and a bit of crit from Surgical yo...
I played with a vet who ran that. Never had ammo troubles, and never saw a gunner/shooter alive for more than a second
Good times
somber axle
Helbores are amazing guns and every day I grind penances on other classes I miss playing Vet
especially in a room full of shooters as Zealot
mental cloud
Rolled a gray mk II last night with a base of 377 I guess that’s pretty decent?
native comet
What playstyles can veteran focus on? Is it mostly shooting specialists and gunners?
finite carbon
What playstyles can veteran focus on? Is it mostly shooting specialists and gunn...
Any playstyle zealot can, vet can also do pretty much. Just need a different set of talents, and make up for lack of survivability talents with SkillTM
pallid jetty
bro, there are 2 more skill branches in the tree y know
in the middle and the right
mental cloud
For real, toughness and damage is what I’ve poured into.
hidden torrent
Vet can do literally anything really you can take care of any threat with relative ease with the right build. Vet is a little too strong rn imo
hearty panther
stronger tbh
hidden torrent
Honestly with the Kraks, buffed plasma, PS, shout and mark doing more damage, I unironically think it's better than launch vet
By a good margin
hearty panther
old vet was super binary with Volley Fire
Like yea when it was up you were just unstoppable, but when it went down you were mostly useless
hidden torrent
I will say I'm a proud plasma user since the beginning, pre plasma buff
hearty panther
I miss painful plasma
finite carbon
All classes got a fair power boost with talents. Just meant that vet shined a lot compared to other classes back then.
Nowadays everyone is all for a balanced comp (except 4 ogryns maybe)
finite carbon
I will say I'm a proud plasma user since the beginning, pre plasma buff
Thank you for ur sacrific
hidden torrent
I liked the plasma for shooting through walls and the Ogryn killing build
It felt good to me
Now it is the world blaster
I think Ogryns are a little behind, Vets and Psyker are ahead and Zealot is pretty okay
That's just my personal experience
vivid silo
Aye, back when it felt like you needed to do mental calculations worthy of a phd in math every single time you wanted to fire the weapon it was fun
Now you just blast away
finite carbon
You and I have very different definitions of fun
But unfortunate that they removed that for ya
hearty panther
Firing over 37% used to be a pretty big decision since venting over that would hurt. Now left click is always the answer.
vivid silo
Well that was of course a bit exaggerated, but at least you had to give a bit of thought into how you used it effective
hearty panther
They really do need to rework the plasma gun
vivid silo
Aye, could you afford to magdump till 100 and let it passively cool, or was manually venting for just a few additional shots worth it
vivid silo
Even charged shots had relevance back then, beyond piercing more cover and squeezing out efficiency of the last ammo/heat
hidden torrent
They need to just be lore accurate with plasma, it hits a single target, explodes and leaves behind a pool of burning plasma
Instead of it acting like a Melta
vivid silo
You can still use charged shots, but they are incredibly niche
I use maybe 1-3 max per mission
hearty panther
Yeah. Oh well maybe with the crafting update
hidden torrent
Charge shot on Ogryn then light shot
You use less ammo
And kill them in 2 hits
As long as they're headshots
vivid silo
Charged shot (fully) takes 3x the ammo. Can't you kill it in 4 uncharged shots?
hearty panther
My headcannon is they have loads of Vet adjustments ready to go, but they realized that putting them all out at once (Survivalist nerf, VoC changes, etc.) would just result in most Vets killing themselves in the comment boards
hearty panther
And yes one charged is exactly equal to two uncharged ...
hidden torrent
But it does stun the Ogryn though
tiny summit
Vet the most oppressed class with great talents, great weapons, and the most value ability
hearty panther
So ... like why ever bother with right click
hidden torrent
I'll use charged shots if I'm in the middle of shooting the save a teammate from getting back stabbed with a crusher or mauler
vivid silo
It's decent IF you can 1-shot your target with it and it's a Nurgle-blessed one, so it wont stagger
Again, incredibly niche
hearty panther
The only time I charge is if I see a fat stack of maulers about to line up lol
That's it
vivid silo
I do it to pierce cover or walls a few times, but not nearly as much as when I routinely ran ES
hidden torrent
I do use it, decently often, it's good for stunning important enemies, your mileage may vary on difficulty and team comp though
vivid silo
What I DONT miss, is basic shooter mooks being able to survive a shot if you dared to hit their arms infront of their chest. The shot wouldn't even pierce either.
The good ol' days of crotch-shots
hidden torrent
Thing with plasma is it Should be extremely high single target damage, essentially the boss killing weapon, better than the bolter of we were being accurate, and the melta should act like the plasma does now
somber axle
Ok the Mk IV Infantry Lasgun carpal tunnel has been greatly exaggerated
I am gullible so I listened to an opinion I heard and parroted that opinion but after playing with it more it's fine
Just trickier to keep shots on heads long range while maintaining the fire rate
Mk IV is fun if you like fast firing weapons and lots of clicking
If you have arthritis or something use an Infantry Autogun or the XII
hearty panther
Yeah I don't personally see it. Maybe we're built different.
dire olive
Auto clicker
hearty panther
I did my Psyker Smite penance with a knife and an mg4 inf las
somber axle
It's becoming my fav Lasgun on my Zealot
hearty panther
It took three days
somber axle
Auto clicker <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
No mods here
I like clicking FAST
somber axle
And it's not really that big of a leap above the Mk II Laspistol with Weapon Specialist on Vet
somber axle
Yeah I don't personally see it. Maybe we're built different.
Yeah I'm built different
I'm built incorrectly
I am the CLOWN
hearty panther
We might both be
somber axle
Auto clickers aren't mods
Yeah but I'm not decrepit irl so I just use my hands
hearty panther
I never stopped using the Recon Las except when it was stupid busted during early p13 lol
somber axle
I have to start using an Infantry Lasgun to clear shooters on my Zealot because it feels like the average quickplay Vet just ducks and hopes someone else will deal with the problem
dire olive
Average quickplay vet thinks he's a Zealot
somber axle
Rushing into melee in a room full of shooters has felt really stupid and no amount of dodging is going to avoid all damage
somber axle
Average quickplay vet thinks he's a Zealot
I wish. Then they might actually at least be able to hold up in melee but as soon as melee elites show up they fold
oblique totem
https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-the-amazing-digital-circu...
Clown ahoy
somber axle
I will carry these baby ducklings through Damnation but not all of them will make it across the street
mental cloud
I wish. Then they might actually at least be able to hold up in melee but as soo...
I was that guy the other day using infiltrate ability( which is total ass tbh) just to get that penance. lol I know the team was hating my ass.
civic knot
I was that guy the other day using infiltrate ability( which is total ass tbh) j...
This kinda works tho:
pallid dew
Is it even good to bring frag grenades over krak grenade especially when you're using CC weapons
hollow ibex
Is it even good to bring frag grenades over krak grenade especially when you're ...
yes
frag nades do everything
pallid dew
2 vets had frag grenades and I ran out of krak and we all died to crushers
They had revolver, shovel and las gun
idk about the guy's revolver melee weapon
civic knot
2 vets had frag grenades and I ran out of krak and we all died to crushers
thats a either skill gap of theirs or yours or a kit gap
always bring something that can handle them if it comes to it
pallid dew
Walked into a corner and I tried to help probs my skill gap
civic knot
good general rule to have
hollow ibex
frags can knock over crushers and give you all the time you need to murder them
so it's on those vets too
pallid dew
I was fighting a bulwark killed that went to go help and a crusher ambushed me
Maybe they ran out of frags I didn't notice
But frags and that scan ability is good combo?
Maybe I'm the skill gap
hollow ibex
frags work with anything, as long as you have the points for it
the only builds i don't take frag on are infil builds
pallid dew
I'm on infil builds
I used to do frag build with VOC
But idk about the see all elite units ability
mental cloud
This kinda works tho:
I man hell those are far off from my tree min just goes does the shout route. I couldn’t find a great way to use it.
pallid dew
forgotten the name of the ability
hollow ibex
exec stance?
civic knot
I man hell those are far off from my tree min just goes does the shout route. I ...
Yes but when you run out of new builds to try with the tride and true stuff you become depraved and stuff like the above happens
hidden torrent
Never
pallid dew
I guess it's useful for knowing upcoming units but I've always listened to sound queues
mental cloud
This is true lol
hollow rivet
I want to run a reload speed talent for my Shotgun build, do you guys think I should go Longshot and Volley Adept, or Vanguard and Tactical Reload?
pallid dew
I want to run a reload speed talent for my Shotgun build, do you guys think I sh...
I believe there's skill tree talents for reload speed which I'm currently using since I don't have perks
gray finch
I want to run a reload speed talent for my Shotgun build, do you guys think I sh...
vanguard and out of blood
hidden torrent
As a man with 4000 penance points, I really don't want to do the other penances
civic knot
I want to run a reload speed talent for my Shotgun build, do you guys think I sh...
I would say that going right side is in general better yeah, vanguard
dire olive
The enemy highlight is mostly good on lower visibility modifiers, otherwise it's the damage boost you're taking it for
pallid dew
As a man with 4000 penance points, I really don't want to do the other penances
I'm only 1.6 k lol
hidden torrent
Bruh they're so boring, the rest or just a dick drag
hollow rivet
I believe there's skill tree talents for reload speed which I'm currently using ...
Yeah wrong term in the original message, I meant talents 😄
pallid dew
Yeah wrong term in the original message, I meant talents 😄
Nah I know what you meant
somber axle
I was that guy the other day using infiltrate ability( which is total ass tbh) j...
The penances have pushed people into a lot of funny behaviors LOL don't worry you are fine
civic knot
I want to run a reload speed talent for my Shotgun build, do you guys think I sh...
but if youre doing weapon specialist you can also go fleeting fire to save some points and not have to go down right side at all. Every build i have goes down top middle cause of the insanely good first talents
They help out immensely
These two top ones
tiny summit
Even then the dmg boost from Exe is kinda eh since the meta weapons are already doing great
hidden torrent
The penances have pushed people into a lot of funny behaviors LOL don't worry yo...
Just hold W till I go down and repeat
hollow rivet
but if youre doing weapon specialist you can also go fleeting fire to save some ...
Just hit 30 and ran without keystones at all because none of them are interesting and I'd rather take more passives
somber axle
The update has revealed that the average player was rocking like one class and sticking close to a few loadouts 99% of the time so they're struggling hard trying to learn new abilities and other classes they didn't touch pre-update
dire olive
Even then the dmg boost from Exe is kinda eh since the meta weapons are already ...
Yeah but meta weapons are boring
somber axle
We all struggle for the new moebian cosmetics
hidden torrent
The middle keystone is incredible ngl
Forget what it's called bring it down or something
hollow rivet
The middle keystone is incredible ngl
I need to bind the ping to something else then because I cba to press MMB every time 
Focus Target btw
hidden torrent
That one
dire olive
I use Q for ping personally
hollow rivet
Yeah I need to rebind it to Q as well, that's what I'm using in Helldivers and I've had some muscle memory mixups already
hidden torrent
I use mmb
pallid dew
Do people do auric missions nowdays (Australia servers)?
hidden torrent
I solely play Auric maelstrom
hollow rivet
Wish I could double-bind though, would be useful on a few things
tiny summit
I hate Focus Target as a keystone
hidden torrent
But I am not Australian
pallid dew
I haven't done a single Auric mission
pallid dew
Wish I could double-bind though, would be useful on a few things
I need it for control
finite carbon
Do people do auric missions nowdays (Australia servers)?
SEA do Aurics a lot
pallid dew
Sometimes I'm sliding C for crouch is now but when I'm fighting I need control
pallid dew
SEA do Aurics a lot
I never get quickplay or anyone joining
It's 1 am right now so that's understandable
hidden torrent
The difference in teammates from non-auric Maelstrom to auric Maelstrom is VERY noticeable
pallid dew
I wanna get the auric titles and border
finite carbon
I never get quickplay or anyone joining
Which server are you on?
pallid dew
Which server are you on?
SEA
finite carbon
No, like
hidden torrent
Well I mean
pallid dew
Let me check
finite carbon
Which server do you select in the menu
hidden torrent
There's like 4 Australian players across every game
pallid dew
I had to leave the mission and the loading is forever
hollow rivet
How does Deadshot work on shotguns with speical shells? Does it keep draining stamina while it's loaded?
hidden torrent
No clue I just kill things
hollow rivet
No clue I just kill things
Fair
civic knot
How does Deadshot work on shotguns with speical shells? Does it keep draining st...
Deadshot is only good for lawbringer crit meme build
finite carbon
How does Deadshot work on shotguns with speical shells? Does it keep draining st...
Dead shot only drains stamina when you ads, no?
civic knot
shotties dont have great crit dmg
hollow rivet
Dead shot only drains stamina when you ads, no?
Just says while using alt fire
finite carbon
Also @pallid dew I usually play Asia & Pacific Central
finite carbon
Just says while using alt fire
The shotgun special ammo is not alt fire. It's the special action. Alt fire is always the right click
finite carbon
Usually ads
But yeah, Asia and Pacific Central is pretty populated with Auric gaymers if you wanna try your luck there
Just got carried by Three knife zealots (one of them was a vet I think)
Good time
gray finch
Deadshot is only good for lawbringer crit meme build
i use it on agri shotty for infinit cleave on shoot
hollow rivet
i use it on agri shotty for infinit cleave on shoot
I've been eyeing that blessing, it sounds amazing 
dire olive
i use it on agri shotty for infinit cleave on shoot
Redneck's plasma gun
hidden torrent
All I want is a long-las then I'll actually play Exce stance vet
pallid dew
This is the menu
I got Asia Pacific South
I also haven't finished the new twin bosses either
dire olive
All I want for exec stance is for the old sustained fire talent to come back in some way
pallid dew
bought the game since release and even did beta testing but just content and playing solo stopped me from playing consistently
but this new update is nice
finite carbon
Ah yeah, Pacific South probably doesn't have as many players. And central is 249 ms >.>
pallid dew
Yeah not a lot of aussies play this
hidden torrent
I'll carry you through auric Maelstrom but only if you're a woman and will be my hot Ogryn gf for wow gold
finite carbon
Try the north american servers maybe? They're usually pretty populated too
hidden torrent
Try West coast US
gray finch
All I want for exec stance is for the old sustained fire talent to come back in ...
just give us +50 toughness when taking this ability for free
hidden torrent
Depending on where you are in Aus you could be like 120 ping
finite carbon
North America west shows 169 for ya
pallid dew
I'll carry you through auric Maelstrom but only if you're a woman and will be my...
Tainted by Slannessh
dire olive
just give us +50 toughness when taking this ability for free
The auto reload was very nice for things like Bolter
pallid dew
It says 11 ms for me but I still feel a lot of lag spikes
hidden torrent
I'm rping as your average 40k enjoyer
pallid dew
Especially when I join games half way through
hidden torrent
Like a stutter?
hidden torrent
Speed runners would blow you for this information
pallid dew
lol
But then I just disconnect either way
dw when in doubt I'll solo auric missions at some point
I pray the bots help
hidden torrent
Honestly it's been happening to me too actually and I play in my region
This hot fix is quite scuffed
pallid dew
Came with this update
hidden torrent
This update goes Gerber baby mode
pallid dew
I will play darktide later tomorrow
snow cypress
Hi,is it viable a build based on infiltrate?
civic knot
Hi,is it viable a build based on infiltrate?
ye just dont pick any of the upgrades for it
hearty panther
or do
low profile and w/e the damage one is
very good
and an extra charge is actually quite nice for availablility
civic knot
and an extra charge is actually quite nice for availablility
eh
you wanna use it whenever its up
and the only time ur ever gonna make us of the stack is between fighjts
hearty panther
nah you wanna use it when your toughness is getting fukkkkked
civic knot
nah you wanna use it when your toughness is getting fukkkkked
or to set up attacks
snow cypress
It's because my aim sucks XD
iron marten
ah, OCE player? hello there!
hollow ibex
not really an issue since infil works well either way
and yeah i feel like if you're going to take infil you should take double charge
otherwise it's just a worse version of zealot's ability
i usually take double charge and tdr
pallid dew
ah, OCE player? hello there!
Hello
hidden torrent
You can't convince me Aus accents aren't funny in every situation
hearty panther
infil is pure defensive utility
pallid dew
Depends what city/state
hearty panther
it has no damage bonus unless you take it
pallid dew
If you're more country side you'll have a harder aussie accent
whereas inner city like Sydney
hearty panther
and low profile is basically an extended 10s of psuedo stealth after it ends
its a loooooot of time to set things up and reposition
pallid dew
Since it has a lot of diversity you get a mix of accents depending on who you hang around with
hidden torrent
The Australian shit talk just kills me, it's so funny
iron marten
I live on the coast of Australia, basically the opposite of country
pallid dew
yeah the shit talk is always going to vary lol
hollow ibex
it has no damage bonus unless you take it
feels like it should be built in
the point tax on it is already fucking stupidly high to begin with
austere pine
good to know these two stack
wanton dawn
and low profile is basically an extended 10s of psuedo stealth after it ends
I call it reverse taunt
oblique totem
Ooh. Interesting
hidden torrent
Being told someone is going to slam me never fails to make me laugh
Get out here mate and I'll fucking slam ya dog
wanton dawn
Get out here mate and I'll fucking slam ya dog
midnight totem
But no keystone is oriented to use infiltrate
... weapon specialist?
oblique totem
Here comes the pain train
wanton dawn
... weapon specialist?
Shout is better for that, arguably
hidden torrent
Just press F if you're the correct veteran and you'll be ok
oblique totem
Here's hoping you hadn't already done so for something else
hidden torrent
As long as you have plasma just shoot for the head
hollow ibex
good to know these two stack
i thought they fixed that lol
hidden torrent
If you haven't, long as you killed 5 specials you can press F again
midnight totem
Shout is a universally good ability period, but there are plenty of good uses for weapon specialist with infiltrate
wanton dawn
I use weapon specialist with both exe and shout. Granted i ll have to try infiltrate for penance so maybe ill like it
hidden torrent
If you're already a really good shot and do good damage, there's unfortunately really no real reason to bring anything other than shout imo
Other than penances
hollow ibex
i've warmed up to infiltrate
hidden torrent
It's okay, just not as good
balmy dune
Bolter is perfectly fine if you play it correctly
I've tried the surgical head popper setup but it just feels really unimpressive. I can do that faster with more ammo on a hellbore, both can handle carapace. Mag dumping just feels "right" on a bolter, though
hollow ibex
now that i care less about survivalist
hollow ibex
It's okay, just not as good
well yeah, pretty much everything is worse than voc
midnight totem
By all means. I'd be estatic if Infil got extra buffs anyway
hidden torrent
I've never used survivalist I know it's the cardinal sin of vet
I like a supportive playstyle and went straight down the middle line at the very start and never changed it
hollow ibex
supportive playstyle
doesn't take surv
midnight totem
Kek
hidden torrent
Nope
Every other vet in the world uses it
So I figured I'd take something else to compliment it
midnight totem
Fair enough. I play a selfish fireteam infil melee vet
oblique totem
I basically only use survivalist, the other two options are pitiful
hidden torrent
I also only use plasma and I feel the surv is less useful for plasma, hot take I know
hollow ibex
I basically only use survivalist, the other two options are pitiful
move speed is pretty nice i'd say
fire team is ass unless your build is dependant on a specific breakpoint... in which case, oof
midnight totem
Vet's in a good place when yall can pick worse combinations and be fine
oblique totem
I imagine 1 percent of your ammo back isn't a whole lot on plasma guns
austere pine
average strike team dies 4 times apparently, except i found a statistician's nightmare in one player
dude single-handedly gave us 5 deaths
hidden torrent
Vet's in a good place when yall can pick worse combinations and be fine <:KEKW_o...
I picked the "worst combinations" got auric storm survivor solo queue first 5 games
midnight totem
I imagine 1 percent of your ammo back isn't a whole lot on plasma guns
It's more then you think
hidden torrent
Honestly, if we're being real, a good player can make any build work
oblique totem
dude single-handedly gave us 5 deaths
Bro is singlehandedly shifting the average
midnight totem
Relax, Throd, so did I
hidden torrent
I'm not upset gamer, it's just a statement
Text always makes people seem more aggressive
oblique totem
Of course, the most meta build won't make up for a terrible player.
midnight totem
Ammo return is based on the total reserve, so it's much more return then you think on a plasma gun
hidden torrent
I recall only getting like 1 ammo, didn't they nerd surv?
oblique totem
I honestly wouldn't know, I don't use plasma guns all that much
I just know you get a percentage back and plasma guns have a low ammo count
midnight totem
It's bolters that are really screwed
hidden torrent
I think of it more long term when I'm already out of ammo, getting, 1-2 shots back with the plasma doesn't really help since the reload is so long
hollow ibex
it matters over a span of forty minutes
hollow ibex
It's bolters that are really screwed
lol it takes what, three or five shots to open bulwarks now
hidden torrent
Not if I pickup all the ammo and don't ping any lmao
hollow ibex
unless you take specific talents and use stimms
oblique totem
Sure but will it matter between ammo pick ups?
hollow ibex
depends on how much you're spamming it
hidden torrent
All the time really
oblique totem
Assuming you're being a team player, that is
hidden torrent
I average like, 100-150 specials killed on Auric Maelstrom but I never really struggle for ammo, and even though I was memeing, I don't take all the ammo
If you use an ammo pack strategically it's really not that bad
oblique totem
Enough to fill your ammo reserve to max if the math is straightforward
hidden torrent
That's if I kill something with every shot, which doesn't really happen in reality when you're mid horde and shooting specials
I take the extra movement speed since I never really needed ammo bad enough to take surv
oblique totem
What's the node that refills your magazine on melee kills?
oblique totem
Is it worth it?
midnight totem
It can be
midnight totem
There are people who swear by it for revolver
hollow ibex
Is it worth it?
only on revolver and shotty imo
the rest it feels too insignificant to justify spending a talent point
midnight totem
And I've taken it off since I never need it even for revolver
oblique totem
Because you skip the long reloads. Smart
hollow ibex
well maybe bolters too, idk, haven't used bolter in a long time
hidden torrent
By that logic it would be good for bolter and plasma
hidden torrent
Any kill or specials?
hollow ibex
whereas with revolver you're getting like 20% of a clip back per kill
hollow ibex
Any kill or specials?
i think it's any kill with melee weapons
midnight totem
Any kill
oblique totem
I tested it out in the meat grinder once with an autogun. Against poxwalkers I was able to keep swapping between both weapons and never had to reload
midnight totem
It's good for plasma too
hollow ibex
i don't think it's worth the point on plasma
midnight totem
It should be good for bolters but
hollow ibex
but that's just my playstyle
oblique totem
Rip bolter mains
hidden torrent
Bolter still a good boss killer
oblique totem
Isn't the plasma gun also a good boss killer while also being good for specialists?
midnight totem
Plasma op
hidden torrent
Yes
Plasma is also good at horde clearing if you want it to be
Not good for it, but at it
It's usually the result of blaze away on shotgunners
hollow ibex
Isn't the plasma gun also a good boss killer while also being good for specialis...
It's less efficient for bosses
midnight totem
I should get the solo play mod
Im having trouble getting the dodge Reaper shot penance
midnight totem
No they just die
hidden torrent
Hold W further
midnight totem
Reapers don't stay alive long enough for them to shoot me
If they don't shoot me, I can't dodge them
hidden torrent
Unfortunately you can choose your own modifiers
Do you play solo queue I imagine?
hearty panther
Close and Kill is deffo my favourite aura
And right side Vet tree is goddamn stacked, especially since they buffed Out for Blood
hollow ibex
Hell yeah right side enjoyer
midnight totem
There are dozens of us
oblique totem
hidden torrent
I usually quickplay
Auric I assume?
somber axle
Close and Kill is deffo my favourite aura
Unironically same
If they ever make Recons ammo efficient enough to ignore Survivalist Aura entirely I'll run Recon and Move Speed Aura 100% of the time
hollow ibex
force the gunlugger to actually use his melee weapon
hearty panther
theres so much ammo on the map, and two ammo crates per run
somber axle
I feel like it is needed to help offset the Recon ammo consumption with Shock Trooper and crit stacking through Deadshot but post Surv Aura nerf you might be right
lavish solar
True
lavish solar
Took my helbore out for a spin, decided that survivalist isn’t really worth it in the build anymore
(I mean Helbore never needed it but now I have reasons to take something instead
hearty panther
(5.2 + .6) x 1.09 used to be the fastest class in the game
5.8 x 1.1 is faster ofc but we could have still had the extra .09 from stripped down too
man it was silly when they reworked it and it had 15% sprint speed briefly lul
idle swallow
I have a typical crit helbore shock troop build with survivalist and I don't think I ever fell below 90% of total ammo for more than a minute while never getting any map ammo, doing the other 2 auras will be just fine for helbores
Even at full tilt you just get so much refunds
hearty panther
also can we be honest, most of the nodes around survivalist are just terrible
5% ranged damage is only okay since odds are you'll take the other 5% lower down the tree for 10% total, but it's super nothing to write home about
take a breath is also okay but it's rarely make or break
and 5% reload speed is a total laugh
ive never seen anyone even try to make an argument for Get back in the fight
lavish solar
I have a typical crit helbore shock troop build with survivalist and I don't thi...
true, btw when you say crit build do you mean deadshot?
hearty panther
Meanwhile Close and Kill offers 10% melee, agile engagement, and 5% crit which are all good by themselves but also incredible in combination
oak sigil
lavish solar
Meanwhile Close and Kill offers 10% melee, agile engagement, and 5% crit which a...
I never actually considered it that way, fair point
Imma start trying that aura instead
idle swallow
true, btw when you say crit build do you mean deadshot?
yea just surgical and deadshot
lavish solar
yea just surgical and deadshot
Thanks!
midnight totem
Auric I assume?
mhmm, auric and regular damnation
hidden torrent
Private game then
tall torrent
also can we be honest, most of the nodes around survivalist are just terrible
The best aura pathing nodes are for close & kill (move speed)
If(when) survivalist gets reworked to be vet baseline trait (benefits vet only) and replaced by a different aura
I’m straight up just gonna go frag -> move speed aura lmao
Point tax be damned
Those travel nodes are peak
hearty panther
That reload speed node needs to be removed tbh
I have strong opinions against using reload speed nodes in general mind you but I understand that not everyone mechanically breaks the game apart at the level some of us do
There are still some poor, poor souls out there using the Plasma Gun without anim cancelling the reload
tall torrent
I think volley adept makes some sense for exe stance, and tac reload is nice for melee vet with shotgun & revolver
But they’re not rly necessary yes
idle swallow
Until they make some kinda big single/double shot rifle for vet they aren't needed
hearty panther
Even then, depends on implementation.
If the reloads are staged like most guns are then it probably still won't matter.
Zarona revolver is the one exception
And other than how absolutely hilarious it is to watch your Vet reload those rounds into the cylinder at 90% reload speed, I still don't find it necessary, really
sinful jacinth
Is it me or are the backpacks clipping through body from latest patch?
balmy dune
I recall them always clipping, even that newer backpack
sinful jacinth
Not like this.
tall torrent
Is it me or are the backpacks clipping through body from latest patch?
It’s been like that for a few patches
sinful jacinth
Alright.
tall torrent
Been a thing since patch 17
bitter turtle
I already go frag into c&k on some guns
Into infil
The only guns I still run surv one are like bolter and agri volver
pallid dew
I live on the coast of Australia, basically the opposite of country
Mad I live in the inner west side (didn't see your reply)
agile forge
Tbh I just pick whatever aura is a more direct path
I pick based on which prereqs I prefer
Like my helbore build has close and kill just because it's underneath agile engagement
dawn garnet
is the pinned guide the completed one? i seem to recall some example builds and i cant find them on the 57 page one
tall torrent
is the pinned guide the completed one? i seem to recall some example builds and ...
No, it’s being worked on rn with some major improvements
grand perch
i just love how the new pox bomber counters exec stance by removing target outlines, when it should be the other way around
as if we'd need another reason to use voc
dawn garnet
No, it’s being worked on rn with some major improvements
🤔 can I get a little sneak preview on a shotty weaponspec build if theres one?
hollow ibex
i just love how the new pox bomber counters exec stance by removing target outli...
Exec stance was too OP
trim hemlock
as if we'd need another reason to use voc
I think it only does if you’re in the cloud
tall torrent
🤔 can I get a little sneak preview on a shotty weaponspec build if theres one?
Just talent tree or full thing
tall torrent
talent tree pls
2 points left to spec
u can prob go top right
get O4B and tac reload
since u wanna use shotgun
dawn garnet
ye i was thinking longshot and tac reload
tall torrent
and maybe melee recommendations
I play knife
I play mostly knife and rashad
u can run anything tbh
I think chainsword mk4 not bad for this
dawn garnet
🤔 i have neither of those vet just an "ok mk3 shovel"
i do have a shit ton of good bases tho
might try to build an mk7 shovel
tall torrent
shovel I wouldn't rly recommend weapon specialist tbh
I think shovel is a low point cost melee for sharpshooter mostly
it has horrible finesse
dawn garnet
🤔 what about the new chainsword
tall torrent
might try to build an mk7 shovel
that one is pretty hard to roll
dawn garnet
mk 13x blah blah blah
tall torrent
🤔 what about the new chainsword
I think it's mid for zealot and troll pick for veteran
vet already doesn't do the greatest with chain weapon cuz no fury
and mk13g is just completely incoherent in terms of moveset
dawn garnet
ill dig through my inventory maybe theres something good enough
dawn garnet
i usually buy anything 373+ for vet and hoard it
ill try to level either knives or mk7 shovels
which mk knife is prefered and with what blessings?
uncanny something?
tall torrent
which mk knife is prefered and with what blessings?
my hot take is that mk6 knife is entirely superior to mk3, at least for veteran
tall torrent
uncanny something?
for mk6
uncanny + mercy/executor/riposte
dawn garnet
yeah thought so i have all of those so should be fine assuming i can dig up a good base
(and get lucky)
tall torrent
Executor is actually not bad for mk6 since u can use H1 and H2 to get fairly consistent weakspot hits
And it stacks per weakspot hit
So u can get multiple stacks per swing
dawn garnet
yeah executor is really underrated i feel
idk why people hate it its really nice on blaze swords
tall torrent
Cuz slaughterer + uncanny is just busted
Force swords are hilariously overtuned compared to basically everything else
dawn garnet
uncanny+executor also have great interactions with deimos
tall torrent
Yea executor also works
dawn garnet
one activation gives you 4 stacks
but yeah like if i roll an executor it might not be as good as slaught or as easy to keep up but its very usable
unlike a lot of blessings on ranged weapons
bitter turtle
🤔 can I get a little sneak preview on a shotty weaponspec build if theres one?
This is what I do for shotgun wep spec
But I like infil
agile forge
I like my chainsword 4 for weapon spec
dawn garnet
templar....
dawn garnet
roughneck....
agile forge
I'd use rashad if I had one
bitter turtle
Strong nodes around it too
dawn garnet
id rather go full nade build
bitter turtle
id rather go full nade build
If you really don't want smoke
oblique totem
Finally started on my zealot character.
oblique totem
I prefer vet but I've done all the vet penances.
viscid sparrow
btw, which shotgun is best for shotty vet nowadays?
bitter turtle
They're not exactly good at picking off gunners and they are anti horde guns anyway
bitter turtle
btw, which shotgun is best for shotty vet nowadays?
All 3 do different things
Agri is a slower revolver
Lawbringer is anti trash horde
Kant deals with mixed elite and trash hordes
dawn garnet
this is what ive been using
dawn garnet
ill try this and the one mr numbers posted
bitter turtle
That works if your melee doesn't care about precision strikes
dawn garnet
yerr i was using shobel
bitter turtle
I took precision strikes mostly for the melee weapon
You can drop precision on my tree and move it to Longshot or wep specialist reload if you don't need it for bp
viscid sparrow
All 3 do different things
ok, so what you are saying is:
Agri is good at sniping specials
Law is pointless because melees exist
Kantrael is good for mixed hordes
bitter turtle
ok, so what you are saying is:
Agri is good at sniping specials
Law is pointle...
Kinda yeah
Lawbringer is a bit of a one trick pony
This is the trick
But I don't think it's especially notable anything else
viscid sparrow
hmmm... now I wonder if the blessing recommendations are different based on the shotty...?
midnight totem
Lawbringers needs to do some true double barrel action
bitter turtle
hmmm... now I wonder if the blessing recommendations are different based on the ...
Of course
Full bore is good on agri but not so much the others
Scattershot is good on law and kant but not agri
dawn garnet
ive been using scattershot on agri it didnt feel too bad
bitter turtle
Lawbringer will generally run manstopper/scattershot though you can manstopper/flechette for bleed meme with less consistency on actually proccing manstopper
I run no respite and scatter on kant
Some people swear by flechette kant but I think it's a meme
Having tried it
dawn garnet
i dont have any tier of flechette 
bitter turtle
ive been using scattershot on agri it didnt feel too bad
It's just not as easy to proc, you throw one special round on kant or law and you get max scattershot procs easily
dawn garnet
ye