veteran-class

[trim hemlock]

Riposte, Precog, Mercy Killer (with Serrated Blade only) and Flesh Tearer are all solid compliments. Haymaker is meme-y, but it can work on that combat blade mark

[blissful flame]

Well, I guess I really like the mark x laspistol

I've gone from "I'm only doing damnation with this real good roll plasma gun" to "fuck it, for my third ever damnation I'm just taking this pistol"

[agile forge]

It's basically an infantry lasgun with suppression immunity

[trim hemlock]

It’s basically a better infantry lasgun

The irony

[gray finch]

melk sells full crit vrak 7

for a psyker

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-air-police-cops-familyguy-gif-21071948

Stability dump stat

[thick needle]

"You hit everything BUT the target."

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/shoota-boy-warhammer40k-kill-team-ork-wh40k-gif-26410400

[woeful junco]

I don't like it better than the mg1a

[untold mulch]

idk about the mg1a, but the normal laspistol is a better recon if you have fullauto mod

[trim hemlock]

Whenever I pick Mg1a

There’s an Ogryn in the lobby

Bad time for a lasgun

[woeful junco]

for me the mg1a hits the perfect sweet spot between dmg and rof. onetaps all the lesser enemies to the head and can be juiced to oneshot (maybe just scab?) gunners with enough bonuses as well, while still firing significantly faster than the mg12 or the mk10 laspistol

[untold mulch]

a minimum cleave is almost obligatory with Ogryn in lobby

[trim hemlock]

Half my shots disappear in the Ogryn’s back

[untold mulch]

agri autogun supremacy, shoot hte Ogryn back

still nail the sniper

[trim hemlock]

But besides the memey side

[untold mulch]

my fav was a 3 ogryn match with my vet

[trim hemlock]

My problem with mg1a is the same as with any other lasgun

Which is the recoil

[untold mulch]

instantly went to trash cleaning

[trim hemlock]

And the lack of cleave

[untold mulch]

Infantry Las has the weirdest recoil

[untold mulch]

Maybe thats what MGXII needs?

[trim hemlock]

Helbro lasguns are IMO just better infantry lasguns.

[untold mulch]

enough cleave for ogryn pierce

[trim hemlock]

It would certainly help preserve its identity as the heavy hitter variant

[untold mulch]

Agreed

[dire olive]

My problem with Mg1a is I'd rather go all in on fishing for one-shots (MG12) or all in on spam (MGIV)

[untold mulch]

only problem is swap time

[trim hemlock]

Mg12’s one-shot potential, even into bodies, is certainly one of the things I like the gun for

Aiming for heads requires a lot of effort

[woeful junco]

the mg1a being able to do both at will is what appeals so much to me

[trim hemlock]

And is not very “tempo”, and I like preserving tempo, hence my love for laspistols or guns that kill with body shots in general

[untold mulch]

body shot kills are nice

and Infantry kinda needs headshots because of a godawful flak modifier

also, reverse fall off

because a game where everything wants to be closer, really needed that

can we ask hadron for another focusing len?

[gray finch]

it just depend how you want to play it

[untold mulch]

WE need a braced lasgun

🗿

Weakspot kills are for people with too much time, I have a need for expediency.

[balmy flume]

The multilaser…which unfortunately is not quite human portable.
(Unless you are CS Goto)

[untold mulch]

Hellgun and Volley Gun

Multilaser is for the big lad

[trim hemlock]

I mean, it’s a nice feature, especially on guns that are typically unforgiving if you miss your shots, and there’s a skill curve to develop as to when can you afford shooting the centre of mass and killing something, and when will you need a Weakspot hit

[untold mulch]

I just think that having it in things like the IV is kinda stupid

[trim hemlock]

Ironically the most revelant use for that is extended firefights with shooters, but with so many new tools being introduced into the game, this starts losing relevance

If it hasn’t lost it already in its entirety

To stupid things like >Plasma gun existing<

[dire olive]

I kinda miss extended firefights with shooters, they just kinda crumble like a wet paper bag these days

[untold mulch]

yep

[frank ether]

what this game needs is a total rework to how bracing works

[balmy flume]

Oh yea we should be looting those from the Mobian Gunners anyways.

[untold mulch]

Also, true

[gray finch]

reverse plasma gun buff and makes it lose hp instead of toughness

[untold mulch]

I mean, bad idea with Nurgle corruption

But if the moebians have it, there must be a stock of them somewhere

Also is incredibly ludicrous we can survive a Volley Gun barrage, and I love it

that shit makes a SM go oh crap

[dire olive]

SM needs to learn the skill of shouting loudly

[untold mulch]

fr fr

[trim hemlock]

Enemy shooters will need to have either their AI reworked to be relevant again, or have some sort of shock troops included which would force or encourage the players to attempt different strategies

[dire olive]

I mean that's kinda what stalkers do

[trim hemlock]

“Shock troops”, as in, give enemy shooters like regular or krak grenades, or sergeants with plasma guns, IDK

[dire olive]

I think we're just insanely good at tanking them

[untold mulch]

I would love if ranged units had more gimmicks

[balmy flume]

On the one hand, yea, corrupted gear is an issue.
OTOH, it is kind of implied the stuff we get from Brunt is scavenged anyways (from grey to blue) by the cutscene, so I would assume the scavenging process actually has filtered out the corrupted gear, or have cleansing rituals for gear not “too badly” corrupted, or both.

[untold mulch]

Yeah, but I was specifically mentioning looting from cultist bodies

[trim hemlock]

They do, but in the end they are just weak melee units disguised as shooters, and they stop being dangerous the moment they enter melee combat

[untold mulch]

but there is no reason for us not to have the spicy lasguns

[dire olive]

I assume he's scavenging friendly gear

[untold mulch]

we have more rare gear

[white minnow]

scab stalkers are also especially depressing because their damage falloff begins at just 8m

[balmy flume]

Ah ok, yea, in that specific case it is far more dodgier.
Mourningstar broadcasts have made mention of Auric gear arriving, so we might get new stuff soon.

[trim hemlock]

Players assuming aggressive play styles completely trivialise shooters in the current game state

Rush shooters -> shooters typically stop being a threat

[untold mulch]

I assume new weapons will be dropped with the crafting rework

[white minnow]

and if you fight them at the appropriate distance, you also mitigate the threat of ranged enemies because their damage falloff and inaccuracy means that they deal virtually no damage to you

[dire olive]

Early in the game rushing them used to be somewhat suicidal

[untold mulch]

Is funny reading some people saying melee is more risky, when an entire group of enemies become nonfunctional the moment you see the white intheir eyes

[woven vigil]

We could defo use some heavy ordnance like the Gunner's volleygun or a heavy stubber.

Like, the left Veteran skill tree literally shows our Vet holding a heavy stubber too! FATSHARK give us some more dakka

[untold mulch]

THAT MF IS STYLING ON US SO BADLY, I AM STILL MAD

[balmy flume]

Darktide does tend towards favouring close quarters, I will be honest.
Like guns and shooting have their value, for sure, but especially on Auric the enemy tends to end up rushing you in hordes.

Even the shooters just come right up to your face to blast away

[dire olive]

Personally from an overall game balance perspective I would rather have fewer, more dangerous enemies than the current state where we're unstoppable demi-gods vomiting damage into swirling masses of bodies

[white minnow]

yeah the run-enders are always going to be encroaching on your space

[trim hemlock]

I agree with that, yeah. Melee is what I love the Tide games for, and whether DT embraces hybrid combat or not, it’s still a game where melee is arguably the most relevant kind of combat

[white minnow]

disablers and melee elites

ranged enemies never push you and you can almost always retreat to a better position against them

[balmy flume]

Personally I kind of find it sad that this does place Exec Stance in an odd place, given its focus on gunnery headshots

[novel saddle]

also grenade launchers Fatfish pls

[balmy flume]

I respect people who can pull it off

But I certainly cannot myself.

[untold mulch]

Exec Stance is at odds with how the game pushes you

[trim hemlock]

I wonder how easily could FS pull off making this ability into a toggle (with a resource bar governing duration) - become less mobile, but more focused on ranged combat, and maybe give it a melee application also so you’re not just a sitting duck

[balmy flume]

Agreed. It is something I like the idea of, I want to use, but is meaningless when the enemy just rushes you in hordes and jams themselves in front of your face to stagger you 24/7 making headshots near impossible.

Or, if you REALLY want to do it, you actually need a fellow back liner to just keep enemies from melee.

[dire olive]

uses ability "oh wait there's 4 maulers crawling up from behind"

[untold mulch]

huh, that would be kinda neat

[white minnow]

though with regards to stagger, exe's stance does grant stagger immunity

[untold mulch]

actually Kjerad, not a bad idea

[white minnow]

since exe's stance is primarily a QoL ult rather than being just a damage ult

[untold mulch]

so you are not punished for "ending" it early

[balmy flume]

Making it any headshot kills (even melee) on the last keystone would help a bit, even if it dilutes the thematic idea.

[trim hemlock]

With how MF keystone is designed, FS clearly want Veteran to regain at least one ranged-focused identity

[white minnow]

just that it shouldn't be dropping on swap

[untold mulch]

uses ability

2 Ogryns are summoned in front of you

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-stk-scratch-itch-reach-hand-gif-3555786706744491648

[brittle apex]

pretty good ability tbh

[trim hemlock]

Melee kills prolonging MF could certainly be a nice addition

[balmy flume]

True, though the irony is without the old Toughness protection bonus you really can only pop a shot or two off before the mass firepower forces you to take cover.

[white minnow]

marksman focus is already pretty easy to rack up and maintain and i'm of the firm opinion that it's fine as a "headshot" keystone for those that subscribe to that playstyle

[untold mulch]

I think it may be fine now with the 6/3s duration

[trim hemlock]

Has Stan misspelled your nickname again, Arco?

[white minnow]

how could u tell

i dislike the buff but i also realize that people don't like headshotting anyways so whatever gets people to use marksman

[trim hemlock]

I cannot tell, but fathoming how one types words on a keyboard, with how they are placed in a typical QWERTY layout, and ends up with “laces” instead of “Arco” is just the next level in the great journey to understanding the complexity

The complexity of these occurrences*

[white minnow]

so sad that his phone is actively sabotaging him

[trim hemlock]

[balmy flume]

TBF phone keyboards are tiny

I won’t be surprised if future humans evolved to have tiny fingers at this point…

[white minnow]

my guess is that he's typing in blind completely

or just fatfingering a bunch and typed the 'l' before starting the 'a' of arco

[balmy flume]

Another odd idea I have for Execution Stance is the ability to make it option, so the player can choose to focus on headshots or rewards a “mobile close range gunnery” playstyle

Like, somehow make it so you have an option where close range blasting your gun into the enemy’s face ends up being better than CQC (which VoC and Stealth Vet ended up boosting)

The challenge being, of course, you have to time the stance toggle and when you reload your gun.

[trim hemlock]

Make it into Soldier 76's ultimate ability (actually don't, this wouldn't work well in the PvE environment all that well)

[balmy flume]

(This could end up giving a bit more utility to the currently suboptimal rapid fire weapons)

[white minnow]

allowing the ult to be maintained through a swap would be good enough for that

e.g., if you're running a weapon spec build, you get to maintain exe's stance through weapon swaps

and instead of exe's stance pidgeonholing you into a period of ranged, you can use it as something that improves your neutral game while you have targets to refresh off of

because exec's highlight and other QoL stuff (+100% impact on ranged attacks, stagger immunity whilst ranged weapon is equipped) is very good

and in a world where we didn't have such insane baseline damage buffs, +25% damage would probably push you to some nice breakpoints if needed

somebody also posed the idea of stacking another QoL onto exe's stance in the form of increased swap speed for bolter enjoyers (in a world where it didn't drop on swap)

[balmy flume]

Oddly enough, I tried doing Bolter with VoC for one PUG Auric Maelstrom run (with the random weekend bosses spawning condition)
All I can say is, Bolter just needs a bigger stack of reserve ammo. Damage wise it plays like how I remembered from launch days lol.

(Though I confess I did end up using Power Sword and Shred nades for anything that is not a boss, special or elite)

[opal dove]

Hi there, Guards. Any tip on the Weapons Specialist (keystone) penance? Can't remember the name of the penance in English. 250 elite kills on weakspots with 10 stacks of Weapons Specialist.

Have every Vet penance but this one and I find it quite tricky

What I'm doing so far is: high intensity aurics/maelstroms, waiting for hordes to stack with melee kills and then switch to ranged looking for elites

[trim hemlock]

I don’t think you explicitly need WS stacked thoroughly to get scoring points for this penance

[rigid pilot]

Switch after you spot an elite

[trim hemlock]

But Zarona revolver with any Crit-enhancing buffs is incredible for this penance

[rigid pilot]

Also zarona will make this easiest

[opal dove]

Yeah, I'm using zarona

[supple stag]

Zarona and some good melee, combat axe, power sword should get it done fairly quick

[opal dove]

It sais "10 stacks", if I'm not mistaken. You reach 10, switch to ranged and kill

[rigid pilot]

You don't need 10 stacks

[supple stag]

I usually run WS on my regular loadouts so it came fairly natural

[trim hemlock]

Kill enemy in melee - get WS buff active by switching to ranged, kill with your ranged. Once you killed something in ranged - swap to melee, melee specialist buff will be active, but you probably can go back to ranged and blast some more

[supple stag]

You don't need stacks, just crit weakspot kills

[trim hemlock]

That’s how I have been doing it

[wanton dawn]

Plasma with get hot is good too

[opal dove]

Damn. Then the penance description is weird

[supple stag]

I think I was working off Power Sword + Vraks 7, but that's my usual loadout

so probably not a good idea if you just wanna get penance done

[trim hemlock]

That would be the left-most keystone, Marksman's Focus - that one requires you to have 10 stacks of MF and kill things while you have them

I don't think WS says anything about stacks, just that you kill 250 elites/specials with weakspot crits while (presumably) any of the specialist buffs is active

[opal dove]

It might be a localization error. Let me check

[supple stag]

It only requires weakspot crit kills while WS is active

not super challenging, with zarona especially, that thing is a beast for WS builds

[opal dove]

Spanish version is a mess. I already did a post on the forums about this

[trim hemlock]

It might be - I'm playing the game in English despite being Polish, I just don't like the localisation

[supple stag]

based

[tall nova]

that thing is a beast full stop

shit's too good

[opal dove]

Yeah, me neither, but can't change language in GFNow

[trim hemlock]

Zarona is indeed one of the guns of all Karktide

[opal dove]

Anyways, thanks a lot for the tips, guys 🤘

[trim hemlock]

godspeed, soldier

[opal dove]

Will try later today

[supple stag]

have a good slaying spree

WS my beloved

[grizzled pebble]

Damn I did that penance thinking I need at least 1 stack.

Still didn't take long though.

[trim hemlock]

Penance outfits appreciation post coming right up

[winter ingot]

question about the smoke grenade penance does it only count enemies in the intial explosion of smoke or any enemy that runs through it while the smoke is up

[trim hemlock]

These two are great

[supple stag]

Infiltrate chestpiece is just perfect

[trim hemlock]

I wonder if the Squad Leader's variant of the outfit will ever get a black colour scheme

[opal dove]

They are. I want the black version of the Squad Leader, but I can wait

[supple stag]

Driptide indeed

[winter ingot]

I just want my tanith cosmetics

[opal dove]

It has it already, is in the files

[trim hemlock]

Yee, I know, I just wonder if they will ever decide to release it

[supple stag]

I wish squad leader had 2nd glove

but oh well

[opal dove]

You and a lot of us! Straight Silver!

[grizzled pebble]

Yes

[trim hemlock]

Right, it's a bit odd with just one glove

[grand perch]

maybe they do archery in their free time

[opal dove]

They will. They know how cool it is. I guess it will a future penance reward or maybe via aquilas.

[supple stag]

I love when my Vet archers all over the heretics

till they get darktided

[grand perch]

remember when every shooter had to have a gimmick bow or crossbow

[supple stag]

Battlefield 3 and 4

[rigid pilot]

Add bow to darktide

[trim hemlock]

They should get one of these, then

[grand perch]

close enough

[trim hemlock]

helps with not straining your fingers

[opal dove]

I can't be sure, but I think so. The numbers went up very quickly once you throw it to a coming horde. Hope someone can be more specific.

[supple stag]

Vet, Psyker and Zealot get a bow

Ogryn receives a balista

[trim hemlock]

I think it also counts enemies pathing into smokes

[supple stag]

almost perfect, lack of hat :/

[trim hemlock]

I got the penance while not having thrown a smoke in X seconds, so it must've been something going into it that triggered the completion

[winter ingot]

Aight thanks

[opal dove]

I used this for a while with the Scion helmet. Now I'm using the same but with the Squad Leader chest piece.

[rigid pilot]

Is this for gaming

[trim hemlock]

It’s for handling arrows

[supple stag]

We found the archer vet

[opal dove]

Also, you are right guys. Stacks no needed for the penance. I mixed it with the other one 👍

[trim hemlock]

But for all I know, gamers could probably adapt them, for one reason or another

[supple stag]

Nah, I'm good

my fingers are messed up anyway

[supple stag]

Now we're talking :)

[winter ingot]

I showed a friend the plasma gun last night

He fell in love lmao

[supple stag]

no wonder, it's cracked

[winter ingot]

Especially at the part where I like killed 10 ragers with one shot

[tall nova]

perfectly balanced

[winter ingot]

I remember when the plasma gun only staggered bulwarks

That was despair

[supple stag]

Thankfully most Plasma Vets are goobers

and once things come too close they panic and make mistakes

[winter ingot]

That's why a good chunk prob run voice of command

I run exec stance

The enemy can't hurt you if they are dead

[supple stag]

VoC doesn't help them much quite often

I've been using either VoC or Infiltrate and going mostly melee

[winter ingot]

I played enough v2 and such it doesn't bother me to much luckily

[supple stag]

My vermintide pilled brain refuses to go for more ranged focused builds

[winter ingot]

Plus if your team is amazing shouldn't be a problem with melee the two ogryns and pysker on my team were amazing and kept my ass clear

[supple stag]

if your team is amazing, yeah

[balmy flume]

Exec Stance really needs someone to cover you as you go gunning

And also, yes, VoC cannot help if you play too badly/make and judgements.

[rigid pilot]

There will definitely be some engagements where you won't have a chance to exe stance

Some areas are just rotten

[balmy flume]

Oh yea, exec stance is also arguably terrain dependent:/

[dreamy scaffold]

same lol, i keep my melee out way more and i just try to get a good gun that can one or two shot specials and elites

high damage ranged but melee focused all the same

[balmy flume]

Laspistols are good for that, but really any pistols will do

Or revolvers

[dreamy scaffold]

i am loving revs rn

just trying to get a good blessing to craft with

do we know exactly when the crafting update will come or just hopes and prayers?

[bitter turtle]

just hope

no timeline

if you like melee

try the knives

the mobility is unparaqlleled and the damage profile into all armor types is pretty good

[balmy flume]

I need to do a knife/CIAG stealth vet at one point.
True Rambo run.

[supple stag]

I wonder what other blessing I could go for on vet's knife, outside of uncanny

[trim hemlock]

Combat blades also allow you to be the dedicated plasteel ™️ collector ™️

[trim hemlock]

Riposte, Precog, Mercy Killer (only if you went for Serrated Blade skill).

I also think Flesh Tearer is good, but its niche is mostly concentrated on applying a DoT to bosses

Which is decent to good on say, Monstrous Specialists maelstrom modifier, if you don’t have better anti-monster options

The problem with FT is that bleed is a common DoT type, so there may be some overlap between you wanting to apply it and say, Ogryn, which bleeds enemies on heavy attack hits, if they went for melee part of their tree as a staple of their build

[supple stag]

Mercy Killer it will be then, I'll probably grab serrated blade for it

[wraith flare]

I love my riposte flesh tearer knife, London simulator

[midnight totem]

I have a mercy killer uncanny knife

Goes great with serrated blades and shredder frags

[rose reef]

XIV revolver or mkII

[slender turtle]

The one you can actually aim with

[rose reef]

https://tenor.com/view/you-guys-got-pants-gif-21509874

you guys are aiming?

[slender turtle]

About 50% of the time

[rose reef]

real.

[slender turtle]

The other half is to avoid tunnel vision

[grand perch]

"aiming"

[rose reef]

the with rate i get speeedload its gotta have a higher chance.... EMPRAH HATES ME

[austere pine]

nurgle be fartin today

i LOVE this idea of the player but man.. not on a zealot

what's the point of crucian if you have to perma reload to get it?

[idle swallow]

It's not ideal but if you use weapon specialist you get the free auto load on draw

So it'll be the max benefit when you need it (but it's also only one shot so don't miss)

That's the only time I'd consider using it

[austere pine]

this is spotted on a zealot in the wild

[idle swallow]

Then they're CRINGE

[austere pine]

also a chain axe user

very much so

[balmy flume]

I will say again, there should be some interesting mechanics where flame weapons could remove Tox gas (chemical reactions and all)
…or accidentally set all parties on fire XD

[rose reef]

people use that thing?

[slender turtle]

Ive seen vets use it. ||Then die with it||

[rose reef]

chainaxe will be redeemed by fat shark i have foreseen it

[austere pine]

nothing can ever redeem the garbage attack speed and attack patterns

[slender turtle]

It absolutely slaps on zealot. Anything else, you might as well use the superior chainsword

[austere pine]

suggestion of a horde clearing weapon on zealot: heavy sword

chain sword

the karking knife, no matter how much i shit on it and its users

EVISCERATORS

[somber axle]

I use it on Vet and have killed Daemonhosts with it. On Vet.

[slender turtle]

It's good for both. If you give it headtaker/slaughterer then it can do tons of boss damage

[somber axle]

I use the XII variant and go bottom right side tree with Desperado, Trench Fighter and Weapon Specialist

It becomes a monster killer and also an ok option for killing hordes with the melee attack speed boosts from Trench Fighter's +10% melee attack speed and the melee attack speed boost from Weapon Specialist

Chainaxe is good but if you're using it without dipping into melee attack speed you will be very, very slow

[slender turtle]

The only thing I would want on it is a better sound of me hitting something while not revved. Literally sounds like I'm just slapping enemies

Audio not satisfying enough

[somber axle]

I need a good Chainaxe XII on my Zealot tbh

I have like a million dockets and 10k plasteel/diamantine to burn whenever I get to Zealot. Gotta finish my last Psyker penance before I swap classes to grind for Zealot penances

Just SO MUCH WORK this week and so little time for anything else

[slender turtle]

I am just glad they added more ways to get plasteel

[somber axle]

Yeah the idols and puzzle martyr skulls have made for very good plasteel farming

1000+ plasteel in quickplay matches on Damnation by just killing idols, collecting plasteel and helping a new player get a martyr skull they haven't seen yet

Even without the martyr skull it's 900-ish a match if people scrub the map of all or most plasteel and hit the idols

[slender turtle]

Now they need to make collecting books worth more

[analog mural]

Well they did add book penances

[sterile phoenix]

Any tips on completing the VoC penance? Aside from being that guy and standing in fire constantly?

[balmy flume]

My only relic gripe is that one jumping one in Vigil station
The one hopping on ridiculously thin bars.
I swear I need to wait for a sedition level of the map, grab a LFG team, and just sadly waste most people’s time as I keep jumping again and again to try to gain access to it.

Weird landing physics, precise keyboard timings don’t help that one bit either.

[somber axle]

It's weird that it is just your toughness and not team toughness restored to track for that penance tbh. But yeah either stand in fire, let yourself purposely get shot up by Gunners/Reapers/non Elite Shooters or eat a sniper shot (assuming you have the toughness and toughness damage reduction to avoid HP damage spillover effect) and then slam VoC. It's funny that the penance encourages players to play like like they're braindead and purposely throw themselves into things they shouldn't to grind it effectively

[slender turtle]

And once you have them, then we're right back to square one. It's only a temporary stop gap measure

[somber axle]

Also use toughness curios

I am almost certain that it is tracking your total toughness restored so having more toughness to restore from 0 will mean more toward the penance counter

[sterile phoenix]

Yeah to stack it.

But it definitely feels weird that the penance doesn’t reward you for using it smartly ie “oh shit my squad just blew up from a burster let’s get that toughness back up

[balmy flume]

Toughness curios as mentioned, and also have the Ability cool-down boost on your curios.
Also I think Psykers have one particular passive that boosts CD time for VoC, make sure you run games with Psykers running that passive.

Then just play normally and spam yell. VoC you want to be near front to buff Oggie/Zealot toughness anyways.

Also also I think some Zealot build might have a thing that boosts ability CD in accordance with how much you kill

All of those would just allow for you to keep spamming VoC, added together.

[sterile phoenix]

Fair enough

Still kinda dumb it doesn’t count teammate toughness

I’d even be fine with it needing more

[woeful galleon]

It is bizarre

but at least it's one of those penances you'll just eventually get regardless

Some are so incredibly specific you'll just never get them without going out of your way

[frank monolith]

Mm fovus made me play crab walk simulator for 3 .5match

[woeful galleon]

Oh, you must mean the one where you need to keep stacks of marksman focus

[north raptor]

i need a good female veteran name 😦 loose cannon

[woeful galleon]

It is at the very least entertaining to watch someone else trying to do it

[rigid pilot]

armorbane

[tame lodge]

Trixie

[somber axle]

Spycrabs return at last

https://tenor.com/view/spycrab-tf2-team-fortress-gif-4794774

Though tbh I did the Marksman's Focus 10 stack kill penance with Lawbringer, Manstopper and Scattershot while using Infiltrate/Low Profile to avoid having to crab walk LOL

Plus it's still so satisfying using a single Shotgun blast to wipe out a horde

[rigid pilot]

pee

[umbral scaffold]

precognition crazy on knife?

60% finesse for 2 seconds on dodge?

[trim hemlock]

On a successful dodge

As in, one that dodges a melee enemy’s attack (or a ranged shot from regular shooters)

It’s a good blessing, though, don’t get me wrong, but the window of opportunity for using this effect and activating it is steep

[frank monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs3c55nyu_8 went down twice i think

[sterile phoenix]

So crabwalking for Marksman focus penance?

[untold mulch]

crabwalk gaming

Really with the new timer, camo may not be so needed unless you are using weapons with very slow RoF

[trim hemlock]

Lawbringer Scatterstoppering

This is the way

[untold mulch]

marksman

Pulls shotgun with wide choke

[pulsar juniper]

when will veteran get something like this

[untold mulch]

I want the one from the Scabs

But Heavy Stubber is nice too

[tame lodge]

Everything is a designated marksman rifle if you try hard enough

[fiery geyser]

finished every vet penance my chains are broken

what builds are actually fun…

[pseudo fiber]

Realistically we probably won't. Ogryn's have a stubber already (I mean it's twin linked but you get the point.) As Corsnake says probably gonna get the scab las lmg (Hellgun/Hotshot las gun) instead which I wouldn't complain about, could do something fun with a heat mechanic perhaps

[fiery geyser]

i want this but you hold the belt like rambo

[supple stag]

Weapon specialist ones, when you juggle your melee and ranged, going nuts

[fiery geyser]

normally run it since it’s the best keystone with one point

im just bored of the weapons i think

[tiny summit]

Never had to crabwalk before anyways with how easy stacks are gained.

[somber axle]

I am at work so this is a very late response but also I am just copy pasting this from an older comment of mine

Hello! If you have been lucky with weapon blessings for the Shotgun, use a Lawbringer with Scattershot IV and Manstopper II. Scattershot III is fine too. Use the camo node in the Marksman's Focus. I also recommend getting Infiltrate with Low Profile for the stealth and -90% threat reduction so you can stand near team mates to do this freely. Shoot heads with the Lawbringer Shotgun while standing still until you have 10 stacks then load a special slug and shoot at a horde. Poxwalkers will evaporate. Groaners will explode violently into a red mist. You will create clouds where bodies used to stand. With one shot you can clear a wave of a horde and every kill goes toward the penance. Use the horizontal special shot with Manstopper's increased cleave on crit and Scattershot's increased crit chance per enemy hit to guarantee a crit on every special shot and kill everything. I did it in 2 days and that's while I was on a strict work schedule with very little play time. Lawbringer Shotgun with those blessings trivializes that penance LMFAO

Btw Lawbringer will have no answer for Crushers so pair it with Krak grenades and you can farm the 500 krak penance at the same time

You will not need to crab walk if you use the Lawbringer + Manstopper/Scattershot strat but you can still watch other Vets crabwalk and have a funny time

[ebon umbra]

i love how some builds are now intentionally penance compatible

[somber axle]

I have to work so I also need to min/max penance grinding time LOL

[idle swallow]

Once you get the lawbringer revved up with some marksman stacks and crit chance it basically becomes a kickback with it's instant horde mulch potential

[pseudo fiber]

the lawbringer is the blue one with the big scatter shot right?

[somber axle]

Yes

[idle swallow]

Yep the horizontal shot

[pseudo fiber]

I gotta give that a try some time

[somber axle]

You want the blue Shotgun with the special shot that fires a very wide shot

[idle swallow]

You need scattershot/manstopper as the blessings for it to work consistently

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

[somber axle]

Agripina Shotgun is Bolt Action Rifle gameplay with its special shot to 1HKO most elites/specials including penetrating and killing Crushers while shoving them onto their ass and also being the only gun left in the entire game that can break a Bulwark shield and stagger them in one shot

[idle swallow]

A slug shot breaking bulwarks but multiple shots from the bolter not doing that tee hee game design

[somber axle]

Kantrael Shotgun has funny fiery special shot for killing mixed hordes but I can't comment much on it because I have comparatively little experience with it (I found it the most boring tbh) and other Vets corrected me that the fire damage isn't as piddly as I first thought. The Kantrael Shotgun special lacks the hilarious cleave potential of the Lawbringer special but the stacking fire damage is enough to kill poxwalkers and flak ragers mixed amongst the crowd

So Kantrael Shotgun special for mixed hordes with melee elites

Agripina Shotgun for sniper gameplay and ogryn bullying

Lawbringer for anti-horde evaporation

[pseudo fiber]

Do you have a good build for the lawbringer? (Not looking for penance stuff dw) Because that sounds like a good time hah

[somber axle]

You're gonna laugh but the Boltgun still can break Bulwark shields and stagger them under specific conditions

[idle swallow]

I remember that ludicrous setup you posted that doesn't count

[somber axle]

Allow me to explain my Boltgun clownery because it is still technically possible to open a Bulwark shield with only a single Boltgun round but it isn't feasible to do in games

Oh wait you remember the clownage LMFAO

[smoky jasper]

With the 5sec cooldown for Survivalist, can 2 veterans stack now making it 2.5sec?

[somber axle]

Ok then yeah just hip-fire the Boltgun for the 2 shot burst into a Bulwark shield while Executioner's Stance is active and the increased impact from Exe Stance will allow the Boltgun's 2 shot burst to break the shield and stagger the Bulwark ezpz

If you like Boltgun but wanna use Voice of Command or Infiltrate then you will need 4-6 boltgun shots to open a Bulwark shield depending on factors like Collateral Stat and Pinning Fire

The 1 shot Bulwark shield break is achieved only with a Boltgun that has 75%+ Collateral Stat, Executioner's Stance active, maximum Pinning Fire buff active and Combat Stim

Technically possible but also incredibly unlikely for use in real games

[somber axle]

I do but I am at work for another 4 hours and 37 minutes so I can't share it from my phone unfortunately

[pseudo fiber]

That's alright I can probably figure something out haha

[oblique totem]

Bigger armor means more better

[hollow ibex]

No stacking

[smoky jasper]

Dang.

[somber axle]

Sharing the silly Boltgun Bulwark shield break video again anyway just so anyone who hasn't seen it yet can know the clownery

One shot Bulwark break but technically requires at absolute minimum two shots because you need another shot to trigger max Pinning Fire stacks or it isn't possible

Which is hilarious clown math because even with all this nonsense it still takes at minimum 2 shots to break shields if you count the shot required to get Pinning Fire going

Just use Exe Stance + Boltgun hipfire and save yourself the trouble

Or use Agrip Shotgun special shot slug for breaking Bulwark shields

[terse idol]

Why far shark buff bulwark and it makes the bolt gun worse but the pgun can shoot through

[somber axle]

Does the Plasma gun still shoot through? I thought the Plasma gun also got a big nerf against Bulwarks but then it might just be Plasma taking a lot more shots to break the shield and stagger the Bulwark

[terse idol]

I thiink it goes through but I can't really tell

[marble yew]

Plasma goes through and deals with bulwarks pretty easily

Boltgun is pretty wack right now tbh

[split sapphire]

Wait plasma penetrates bulwark shields? I thought it just refects completely

[marble yew]

nope, goes through

[true trellis]

Spare yourself the trouble and shoot it in the arm instead

[split sapphire]

Guess i always underestimated it's true power

[somber axle]

LMFAO

AMAZING

[marble yew]

Plasma is super strong, deals with everything pretty well except hordes of course

[somber axle]

Nah spare yourself the trouble and pull out a Chainaxe to bury in the Bulwark skull after dodging the swing. More satisfying that way

[marble yew]

and you can whip it out quickly while the boltgun takes a century to whip out

[true trellis]

I ❤️ chaxe

Got all 500 focus target kills in a single scab melee mael by just chaxing all of the maulers

[somber axle]

This is real Ork gaming and the goofy Shotgun works better than the Boltgun because we believe it can but also we're still seeing how deep a Chainaxe can go into an Ogryn skull just because it's funnier that way

[slate hawk]

It does take more shots to kill them through the shield now

[split sapphire]

Love me a hood combat blade, just learned how the push follow up attack works with the Mk. III varient

[true trellis]

Are you using the special follow up as well?

[slate hawk]

New kobold pfp spotted, is nice

[midnight totem]

Hood combat blades are hood too

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/orks-ork-waaaagh-slugga-boy-dawn-of-war-gif-15592891

[split sapphire]

Yes

[true trellis]

By the way

The Fire Team penance took an inordinately long amount of time for some reason

Felt like it was only ticking up on elite/special kills

[split sapphire]

Hmm

[true trellis]

I swapped to fire team when i started on the penances and it was done after (!) all of the others were

Not including the close and kill one which took only about a minute of walking

[somber axle]

I think the penance that took that longest was the weapon specialist crit weak spot hit during ranged specialist buff on elite/special only kills

[split sapphire]

Oh boy

[true trellis]

Just use a zarona

[somber axle]

Even krak was shorter since I was basically just doubling down really hard on all Grenade talents and throwing kraks at anything that moved. Crushers, Bulwarks, Flak Ragers, Reapers

[somber axle]

I did and it still took a while LOL

[true trellis]

You can easily get 10 armor kills per krak if you toss at scab bruisers (the little ones)

[somber axle]

That's neat but I exist exclusively to find Nurgle's Crusher population and mulch them

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[true trellis]

But yeah i genuinely think the fire team penance might be broken

[somber axle]

Me when a Crusher spawns

[terse idol]

this one is old but new let's goo

[slate hawk]

Is still nice

[terse idol]

See I don't get this balance

Boltgun is the more balanced weapon

[somber axle]

Plasma used to be balanced but Vets cried too loudly and it was changed to what it is today

[terse idol]

Hmm

Was it?

[somber axle]

Yes

[terse idol]

Cause I rmebeered vets didn't use it because

Venting hurt your health

[somber axle]

Yes exactly

[terse idol]

But it was practically always the same

I mean that's hardly crying

[somber axle]

It was balanced around the choice of reloading to vent heat or using the vent special action to trade HP for more immediate shots

If you didn't do either you had to swap melee and let it cool down slower

[terse idol]

Hmm ill cook on this idea

[somber axle]

It was balanced around that mechanic but Vets cried a lot and loudly

So they changed it

Now it barely tickles toughness

[terse idol]

I mean

[true trellis]

pgun was ass to use before

[terse idol]

If the devs wanted it to be like that

I don't think any amount of crying would make it so

[somber axle]

Yeah but I am a cat who appreciated that ass

[terse idol]

Like how the psword got nerfed

If crying indeed changed weapons to ways the devs didn't intend

[true trellis]

are you a pgun voc vet?

[terse idol]

Then the psword wouldn't have gotten nerfed

[somber axle]

It was originally designed like that and after an overwhelming amount of feedback they changed it to no longer do HP damage

[terse idol]

Considering the game even got review bombed

When the nerf happened

[true trellis]

The psword nerf means you need pcycler 4 for it to be a good weapon which i think is sad

[terse idol]

Frankly with fs's track record I don't know what they originally intend

[somber axle]

No because VoC is too strong and current Plasma is also too strong. I use Plasma every now and then for funny charged shot 1HKOs on Crushers just because that feels good but otherwise I like using other guns way more. Plasma, VoC and Power Sword VI Power Cycler IV is undeniably effective. It is also incredibly boring imo

[terse idol]

Because I can't tell if it's a bug

Or what they wanted

[somber axle]

Also running Plasma and Power Sword is like fatrolling your way through a Dark Souls game

Your mobility is awful

So much so that people pair Knife with Plasma sometimes instead to offset that awful mobility

[true trellis]

Saw a guy play knife + bolter

[terse idol]

I've never seen that

[somber axle]

People use Weapon Specialist with Plasma and Power Sword to make the dodge distance less awful

The mobility is just that bad on Plasma/Power Sword otherwise

And even with Weapon Specialist using those two weapons gives mediocre mobility

[hollow ibex]

I’ve done that before too, but mostly because I always run knife anyway

[true trellis]

But it's so stupid

[somber axle]

It's why VoC is so good with it. You don't need to kite or do funny dodge dances, you just create your own space and safety instead

[true trellis]

voc is the emperors own panic button

[hollow ibex]

Why

[split sapphire]

I'd do like auto gun and knife, or like revolver and chainsword

[true trellis]

You use your funny knife to do the runny stabby stuff

And then you have to wait 30s to get your bolter out again

[hollow ibex]

That’s a problem regardless of what melee weapon you use though

And at least you can sprint cancel

[true trellis]

I feel one of the main advantages of the knife is the insane mobility that lets you reposition whenever you want

[hollow ibex]

Yep

Helps you get into a good spot to pull out the bolter too

[true trellis]

You can swap to knife then dodge off a cliff to fling yourself 50m away from whatever was harassing you and swap back but with a bolter? Eh

[hollow ibex]

You can do a lot of things with high mobility in this game

[somber axle]

I think Fatshark listens to feedback to an extent. If they believe it is a skill issue they will ignore players and continue to with the design they intend. But I they believe a weapon is underperforming/under represented or overperforming/over represented then they probably take that metric and examine why before working out ways to adjust it to bring it in line with others

People crying about Power Sword isn't a big deal because it's still incredibly strong with Power Cycler IV and it was literally just a skill issue with Vets complaining post nerf until people figured out how it worked and moved on from complaining

People just started crying about how bad the crafting system was instead because the crafting system is pretty bad and some people trying to farm for hours and hours of grinding plasteel, Brunt casino games and Hadron casino games only to still not get the one blessing they needed was and still is a terrible system

And they are reworking crafting

[tall torrent]

Soon

[somber axle]

I pray to Hadron for the crafting rework everyday

[tall torrent]

Even if they just open up 1 lock on weapons I’ll be happy

Honestly should have opened 1 lock on weapons in PoR update to bandaid it for now

[marble yew]

ive grinded out every blessing rank 4 i need and then some id almost be sad to see a complete rework but i understand the system is very bad for new players who havent had the time to grind everything 😅

i abused the plasteel bug a lot though

[tall torrent]

I have almost every blessing (all tiers) on every weapon available to veteran

[pseudo fiber]

crafting update adds reds that max stats and no locks

[vernal sundial]

imo modifiers are dumb, adds rng to something that doesn’t need it
rolling and achieving blessings is a nightmare, especially since they’re separate for every single weapon
and you can only mod a weapon twice
why????

[marble yew]

to keep you interested in resources long term

to keep rolling and rolling and rolling for the perfect weapon

[vernal sundial]

oh boy, i love player retention mechanics that aren’t player friendly whatsoever

[marble yew]

if it werent for that id have exactly 0 use for resources any longer

[vernal sundial]

so many games these days demand so much of your time

[marble yew]

People require something to work towards these days or else they lose interest

[vernal sundial]

whether that be fomo via passes, rotating shops or limited time content, or grind just for the sake of making people play

while yes it’s good to have things to work towards, making that an rng gamble fest is not it

[marble yew]

Maybe they could introduce something else to spend our resources on

[vernal sundial]

agree

idk, im not bashing the game, i love darktide
i just heavily dislike systems like this

[marble yew]

i really disliked it too when starting out but now that i have kind of peaked its okay for me at this point as there are just very marginal upgrades, it is pretty damaging for getting new players to get invested i think

[vernal sundial]

every game needs a resource dump so people still feel rewarded for playing, but not in this way

[pallid dew]

???

[last parcel]

damn, changing infernus to weight of fire gives you a pretty nice gun

[pallid dew]

Don't have weight of fire sadly

Also hoping next appearance rotation is better than the current

[last parcel]

guess we'll just leave that one in the closet for now

[oblique totem]

gun

[last parcel]

gun

[lucid ginkgo]

Same system, but instead of plasteel hadron consume your diamantine

[last parcel]

hadron is on the prowl for that diamantussy

[somber axle]

Players who play a game because fun gameplay loop are becoming rarer. People have redefined fun and their idea of fun is chase carrot on stick, complain about stick, ask for more carrot next time

So developers are just responding in kind

Left 4 Dead had no progression system but still had and still has a solid player base that plays just because the game is fun

Most modern titles have to do carrot and stick then work out ways to balance the stick to keep people chasing the carrot so funny investor metrics look good in meetings

[oblique totem]

The thing I like about Darktide is how similar it feels to Doom.

[somber axle]

Please no LMFAO

Weirdly enough post update I have more plasteel than diamantine

[oblique totem]

In that the different enemy types require specific methods to deal with and the different combinations can dramatically change how a fight goes

[somber axle]

But I am also not a hoarder so I spent resources as I get them to try out new weapon builds and experiment with new ideas

A lot of people ignore Diamantine but Plasteel is always grabbed

So I've somehow flipped it and ended up with more Plasteel

[smoky jasper]

A classmate of mine in college did some research on this for his sociology class. His theory is that because it's harder and harder for the target demographic of videogames to achieve success in other aspects of their lives, they're less satisfied by games that don't offer noticeable progression. We want to achieve something and if we can't do it professionally or socially, then we seek power fantasies that enable a sense of achievement.

I didn't end up reading his final paper, but he talked about his research often enough that it seemed to be supported.

[celest vine]

Turkey

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-funny-gif-21548565

[terse idol]

I mean frankly I think they at least

realised yeah the crafting system is bad

I just don't think the plasmagun being "buffed" was indicative of people crying

It could be!

But they're certainly not listening to people complaining about how OP the Pgun is

Or how weak the recon is

[somber axle]

That's a really cool theory. It might explain why people who enjoy gameplay loop still exist, they're just rarer. People who are generally satisfied/happy irl are rarer and don't need to chase status in games to make up for the lack of it irl

And I know a lot of people who chase status relentlessly

New car, New phone, New house, New everything always

Gotta look like they are using the shiniest everything

Image and status

[somber axle]

Probably because representation metrics we can't see but they can

[true trellis]

I've only ever seen two recon las users

[vernal sundial]

this is a good way to sum it up

[true trellis]

I see a similar trend in the web novel space with 'litrpg' being incredibly and all consumingly popular

[somber axle]

Plasma just got a touch up in balance as far as ammo economy goes with the Survivalist nerf that has some players still struggling to adapt to it even now. Some people say certain targets are not at all worth shooting with Plasma post-update. Fatshark is waiting to see how the metrics roll in. That juicy, juicy data. People will complain all day every day about the Surv Aura nerf and you can bet that Fatshark is aware of that crying but they are looking at hard data to see how it has changed things in a more objective light

[serene bough]

Eat it

[vernal sundial]

there’s just ways to provide for these players that dont damage the game for anyone else
ie- non-player friendly gamble-esque grind mechanics

[true trellis]

To some extent it's a consequence of technological advancement simplifying reward mechanisms

[terse idol]

I mean issue being the surv nerf didn't effect plasma gun as much

it was a nerf on revolver

lower max ammo weapons

[somber axle]

Recon is still the clown's choice award weapon for me and I think Fatshark is aware about it but want to take their time before touching it up with another balancing pass because it is swinging hard from player opinions showing it as godly broken to trashy broken

[true trellis]

From a good meal after a hard hunt to victory in sports, to a nice story, a rewarding game and now outright just numbers going up

[terse idol]

and

The bulwark buff

made the boltgun worse

and the surv nerf worse

For the boltgun

[somber axle]

But like that requires a lot more testing and thought put into it than just throw out whatever silly idea a random player thinks should be incorporated

[terse idol]

I just don't get it

[white minnow]

at least for revolver, ammo is something that is intentionally balancing it out

[somber axle]

Changing a weapon will have an effect on all classes who use it

[true trellis]

I think you should be able to convert las power packs into improv nades

[somber axle]

So they need to look at any potential change from as many factors as possible before putting it live

[midnight totem]

Sneaky I have to ask

[somber axle]

Otherwise you get the brief 21 day period Recon was considered absolutely God mode broken LMFAO

[midnight totem]

What's your fixation with clowns

Are you secretly an eldar harlequin?

[somber axle]

It's me yes I am a clown

[midnight totem]

FUCK I KNEW IT. GET THE XENOS

[midnight totem]

Oh hey Mirage

[somber axle]

Players will always chase even a 1% difference tbh

Numbers make gamer brain go brrrr

[midnight totem]

Very true

[true trellis]

Back when a buddy of mine ran a small but sizeable public minecraft server we added a plugin that did nothing but add levels (they were supposed to do something but it was broken) that would respectively go up if you mined hunted woodcut etc

The playerbase/playtime noticeably increased

[vernal sundial]

a level system that has no actual impact on gameplay is amazing

like true level mod in darktide for instance

[true trellis]

There were people spending time running up a flight of stairs to jump back down to train their acrobatics level

[somber axle]

I should download the true level mod just to see what level my Vet is tbh

Anyway be back later

Break over work time

[vernal sundial]

it incentivizes/rewards play but in a healthy player friendly way

[terse idol]

okay to eb fair

break points

important

😌

rarely are they a 1% diiifference

least in dank tiie

[slender turtle]

oh my god veteran, why are you not spamming your shout?! We could use the overtougness!

"I'm too busy admiring the one less shot it takes to kill a rager, my b"

[midnight totem]

If you kill an enemy sooner

He can't damage your toughness

[slender turtle]

With the world rushing you, you don't really notice

Then again. I been using the columns so much, all the other weapons just feel so weak to use

[midnight totem]

I'm being glib, but I'm really of the opinion almost everything has its place

[true trellis]

i loved vt2 break points

people already precalculated all of the spreadsheets so all i had to do was grab my reds and slot in the right stuff

[hardy ember]

…..no everything does not have its place unfortunately

[midnight totem]

Say there are three vets in a team, I'm more confident of the team running a mix of abilities and blitz rather then the team of all VoC, as strong as it is

[ebon umbra]

true level tip: use true level to guesstimate who might be needing more support in the mission

conclusion: teammates help me pls

[crude fiber]

Is there an option to show total level for all characters or just per character?

Even just per character I've see some level 2000's

[terse idol]

I mean

If you kill things 1 shot less

You get more VOC

😌

simple math

[ebon umbra]

Try hitting the prestige only option. Imo, i'd only really be too concerned if a guy is like 1-3. i use this rule for auric maels. Ofc gear matters too but this is a look and forget rule of thumb.

chances are the 2000 lvl guys are playing insane just to feel something again. so be wary

[somber axle]

True. But any damage beyond the break points you need end up being fluff and people will chase a perfect 550 gun with 80% damage even if the DPS increase on bosses is marginal at best compared to a 530 weapon with 70% damage and the same blessings/perks that hits all the breakpoints the 550 can

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean, this is why I curb my rolls

You only need to roll the minimum usually to meet breakpoints

Unless you're doing something wacky

Like running a rashad with minimum damage talents

[somber axle]

Most times though people are not testing the weapons for their breakpoints or even experimenting in the Psykanium so the easy thing to tell players is get X%+ on a stat roll, these perks and these blessings because explaining the math is more attention than most people care for

If someone asks for how to build a weapon it is much easier to describe in a clear concise way "X perk, Y blessing, Z stat"

[terse idol]

well yeah

you don't need to know the numbahh

(Just that you need minimum in X stats)

The damage is irrelevant because someone already did the math

😌

[somber axle]

Attention span is hard (and I know this personally LMFAO) because only a few people are going to read every part of a guide compared to the number of people who skim it just for what they look for and compared to the number of people who will Google the bare minimum info then move on

I like experimenting and seeing the math behind stuff but sometimes I can be illiterate just because brain too busy with things skim text fast speedread

[somber axle]

LMFAO well the carrot and stick worked even if there was no actual tangible carrot and just the picture of a carrot

[somber axle]

To an extent yes but I love seeing the math behind it all

That's why I experiment with weapons often when someone says something can't do something

I break the game in weird ways to make it do that thing in the most bizarre circumstances that may or may not be completely irrelevant info for actual matches

[trim hemlock]

Gotem :)

Very fun set of penances

I truly undervalued Weapons Specialist more than I should have

[balmy flume]

Time to update, verify, then just have fun

Maybe finish off a Zealot penance for Damnation runs...

[midnight totem]

Congrats on the vet master of war

[topaz lance]

fuck, the absolute dogshit performance of this game lately is really taking any enjoyment out of it

Sure, I'll do the marksam focus penance while watchen the darktide powerpoint

easy

[midnight totem]

It was a bit laggy today

Brunt is selling a very pretty helbore mark 2

with max unarmored

LETS SEE HOW HADRON BRICKS IT

[hollow ibex]

My favorite part of darktide

[midnight totem]

this is actually decent

won't need weight of fire

can just convert infernus to surgical

man, the game is still stuttering

[somber axle]

that's actually surprisingly good

I'd still swap NR to WoF too personally but just swapping Inf to Surg is the best play and leaves you open to swapping Unyielding to Maniac for the Flamer breakpoint or Unyielding to Carapace if you want to go Crusher hunting for the magical 2HKO Crusher kill with it

[pallid jetty]

i dont remember ive heard this line in the game, nobody know where is this from?

or in what conversation

this one is also interesting

when you're trying to kill that bomber that somehow manages to take a good cover over and over again for 15 secs straight

[slender turtle]

plasma gun: exists

[midnight totem]

probably take the flamer breakpoint

flamers are incredibly annoying

[somber axle]

Why shoot 1 bullet when you can shoot 50-60 lasers and see you only used 10 ammo count

Turn the battlefield into a rave

[midnight totem]

I'm so happy I'm done with my 15 not going down penance

now I can do silly shit and not worry about getting downed

[pallid jetty]

this is also interesting because he actually gets this one right and the discards immediately

and loose cannon hates trappers so much its unreal

[midnight totem]

hate overrides logic

[pallid jetty]

angy shooter stance

[pseudo fiber]

Have you got that one when a trapper runs away?
"I don't know... Shoot her maybe!"

[pallid jetty]

i dont remember, i was looking for one particular line over a year ago and during the process just was saving some lines, and they all look like a string of numbers and letters

and im too lazy to rename all of them

especially those i dont feel very enough

was looking for this one, my very favorite in the entire game

[balmy flume]

I got that playing for me actually.
Well, yelled at my character XD

[pseudo fiber]

I'm a fan of this one (Pls embed)

[pallid jetty]

this one is hilarious

[pseudo fiber]

Love loose cannon he's the best

[pallid jetty]

yeah, my favourite

starting as the professional was a mistake, had to create the new character

pfff hehehehe

[terse idol]

Yes my example holds true

Need 1 less shot to kill a dredge gunner

😌

[pallid jetty]

i karking forgot about this one, so funny i cant

[pseudo fiber]

Is this one new or just unused?

[pallid jetty]

unused i believe

maybe devs were or are planning on adding... turret gun????????

[radiant chasm]

i think it's an insult? the turret gunner would be the most exposed person on the vehicle

[dreamy scaffold]

"Death, Damnation, and Sergeant-Major Morrow"

[pallid jetty]

when boss encounter in carnival

btw he actually can say this, was funny to hear

[radiant chasm]

basically saying "Oh you are volunteering to get shot first?"

[pseudo fiber]

Oh I've heard this one

but also you can get a big gun on a turret

[pallid jetty]

makes sence

this one is funny

Tashinga is such a good voice actor oh man

a karking gem

[radiant chasm]

that voice crack was so perfect wtf

it's, intentional but it feels so unintentional in character

[pallid jetty]

when its mother's day

[last parcel]

me when the daemonhost (my mother) is alerted (found the poop sock)

[pallid jetty]

when you as a kid playing hide and seek with frens

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[pallid jetty]

when you see the meme about zola and hallowette oiled up twerking

[radiant chasm]

my gf plays female professional and i swear it's the only time i've heard the voice

[pallid jetty]

when the ability is on cooldown

[radiant chasm]

it is like she doesn't even have the hint of personality male pro has, she is just so GI Jane, not even a VA problem

[pseudo fiber]

That one is very 4th wall hahaha

[pallid jetty]

yeah ikr

i just... hate loose cannon female, she's just the opposite of how cool the male one sounds

jsut every line, man

[pseudo fiber]

I think the beats of the lines are off with female loose canon

[radiant chasm]

they tried to make the different genders still differ in some ways

sometimes that flops, other time it succeeds

like, the two cutthroats are two very different versions of anger issues but both are believable

[pallid jetty]

and i understand that devs just worked hard with the male actors cause males are the main audience, and then they were like "lets just finish it already we're tired" and didnt work so hard with female actors, but damn dude...

[radiant chasm]

i think female LC just kinda flopped

I mean, female fanatic blows male fanatic out of the water

[pallid jetty]

^

[radiant chasm]

it's not even close, i don't really believe that working with male actors thing

at least not with fatshark who has been working with female VAs for years

[pallid jetty]

female veterans dont scream when they need to scream

[pseudo fiber]

I think the female psykers also are as good as the male ones

[pallid jetty]

well thats just my theory, trying to imagine the working process

[odd sparrow]

female psykers are great

[radiant chasm]

yea. besides male seer who, just blows his performance out of the water compared to female seer, nothing is really wrong with any of them

[pallid jetty]

ive heard in one interview that the female savant said that "i was asked to try to sound almost like this"

[tame lodge]

CT "For Creed!!!"

[radiant chasm]

yea, but looking at the other personalities and classes, and the history of fatshark, it's shit conspiracy and it's more of "some of these didn't land well compared to others"

[pallid jetty]

yes, the CT is the most obv example

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly I love all the male shout lines and they really pump you up same the female ones don't do the same really.

[radiant chasm]

I love my female CT, male CT is a raging fire, she is a molten hot knife,

[pallid jetty]

the voice of command, dude

[last parcel]

FOR CREED

fer creeEed

[pallid jetty]

how the hell do enemies fall when female vets do it

[radiant chasm]

it's, not bad for her? maybe cause I only use her, so i get the intended audio

[pallid jetty]

LC tho

i just dont understand it

they should scream

its a karkin battle cry

[radiant chasm]

like yea, male CT is LOUD but that's just comparisons

screaming in higher pitches is difficult to make sound good

[tame lodge]

I enjoy the Fem LC going "put the karking boot in" she sounds excited

[pallid jetty]

with volley fire and infiltration i dont have problems

but voice of command is a battle cry

[last parcel]

she's the one who knows how to have a good time

[pallid jetty]

yeah, this one sounds good, but others just dont for me

LC female seems to be even more loose () than the male one

[tall torrent]

LC female and professional male have something going on

[pallid jetty]

ill open up the video with the lines too refresh my memory

https://youtu.be/oE8ZN18ka98

female professional at least tries to scream with VoC

but she kinda lacks the bloodlust

ok, tbh others also try to scream but you just dont feel the bloodlust in the lines

...and then you click on the male CT...

IF YOU CAN BREATH - ...

holy fuck man

no words

no compromises

[pseudo fiber]

Oh yeah that reminds me of one of my favs

[pallid jetty]

just perfect

[pseudo fiber]

LC infiltrate "This smoke coughs karkin stinks!"

[pallid jetty]

cracked me up when i first heard that

id pick CT as my main, but i like all the other non-ability lines that LC has

and i even have my 5th slot with CT vet so i play him when i have the mood

and his name is MakeThemScream

[pseudo fiber]

I'm assuming you've heard the LC's new krak grenade line

[pallid jetty]

uhhh which one? dont remember

[pallid jetty]

i remembered onle smoke one - SEE THINGIE THINGIE SMOKE

[pallid jetty]

lmao i havent heard the second part lamo

lol even

nice

holy shit man thats why LC is my main

(i turned off the subtitles)

hehe, obama, hehehehe...

when birmingham

last one for today cause imma sleep gn fellow vets

[oblique totem]

Aaaaaaand that's another crash. Guess I'm not playing darktide today

[hollow turtle]

Turn off dark cache

[last parcel]

dark cache more like dark crash amirite

[oblique totem]

How do I do?

[hollow turtle]

Sorry, I just assumed you had mods installed.
Lol DarkCache is a mod and was practically responsible for all the cache/memory crashes I was having.

[oblique totem]

Nope. This is pure FatShark Darktide

[hollow turtle]

It's been a while, but I'm sure your crash logs would probably tell you what's causing the crash.

I hope your worker threads (settings in the launcher's menu) aren't set to half.

[oblique totem]

Looks like they're set to max

[hollow turtle]

Can you pull the last two crash logs? Maybe I can take a look at it for you. I got nothing else to do at work anyways. %appdata%/Fatshark/Darktide/console_logs

[tall torrent]

Drop them to 2 below max

[hollow turtle]

☝️ That too.

[thick needle]

What's the difference between Mk 3 and Mk 6 Power Sword

[midnight totem]

MK3 has diagonal lights and horizontal heavies

MK6 has horizontal lights, followed by a downward light, and diagonal heavies

MK3 pushstab is a downward heavy

MK6 pushstab is a stab, and can be followed by the downward light in the light chain

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is better, with energized lights (hits faster) for horde clear, energized push atk + L4 for single target (higher dmg), and can be blocked canceled (charge up faster) with innate 25% block efficiency from front (better defense)

Only thing Mk3 does better in is not cancelling sprint when you power up

[thick needle]

Very reasonable
However

[hollow turtle]

That finesse and mobility makes me sad.

[thick needle]

Yes but it also just unlocked Brutal Momentum IV

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-darktide-rave-40k-kruber-gif-26978274

Hadron's in a good mood then.

[tall torrent]

Probably harvest
Crit chance perk isn’t the most impactful for power sword

[astral tusk]

lads do you have a good shotgun build for damnation??

[tall torrent]

Shotgun is usually not that great for veteran

Are u planning to use it like a primary or as a melee supplement

[topaz lance]

Define good

I like using agri with exe stance

which is fun, but not really good

[astral tusk]

i saw that lawbringer was decent for bleed builds

with the chainaxe

[midnight totem]

Woo, auric exemplar unlocked

[tall torrent]

It’s usable but not great

[unreal bone]

You guys see the new veteran set

coming out this thursday

It was so close

to being amazing

why did they put a fucking candle on it

WE'RE NOT ZEALOTS

[last parcel]

that is the funniest shit

[tall torrent]

It’s good

Candle is funny but

It’s about as good as it can get

[hollow ibex]

It’s mostly for the memes

If you want bleed lawbringer you’ll need flechette and scattershot

And take deadshot in the talent tree

[dreamy elm]

I actually kinda like how the chest plate looks, granted the candle shouldn't be there but it looks nice

[frank ether]

scion armor waiting line got blueballed again lmao

this is some epic edging

[proud marsh]

fr

[civic knot]

Change maniac to flak or unyielding?

[pseudo fiber]

I wouldn't touch that personally

[civic knot]

Why keep maniac? no breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Change bloodletter to slaughterer
Maniac to elite maybe

Carapace is good

[civic knot]

y y thats what i was thinking

should be fun to swing and do biiig dmg

[civic knot]

Why elite?? flak is better

[tall torrent]

Slaughterer + headtaker makes chainaxe much more bearable

[civic knot]

elite wont give breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Which breakpoint does flak hit that elite doesn’t

[civic knot]

does elite hit a breakpoint period?

i have no idea

i mean why not unyielding tho

[tall torrent]

Do u run superiority complex on ur build

[civic knot]

biig dmg right?

[civic knot]

ye

[tall torrent]

If u got resources, tweak it around

U can keep changing that 1 perk anyways

[civic knot]

kantrael build. i dont wanna run tactical awareness cause its too OP

[tall torrent]

Carapace and headtaker alrdy good, they can stay locked

[tall torrent]

Well ur also missing out on iron will and demo team

[civic knot]

demo team is broken OP and iron will is a skill issue kinda...

dont feel like i need it tbh

plus i really dont like tactical awareness cause it makes your gameplay loop into shout spam every 5 secs

[tall torrent]

Idk I don’t think there’s good reason not to take those lol

[tall torrent]

Might as well just go infil then

[civic knot]

experimentation?

[civic knot]

disgusting and bad ult

xDDD

plus hefty point invest

not happening

[tall torrent]

Well ur playing shotgun + chainaxe

You already won’t need to shoot that much

[night sparrow]

what brautos do yall recommend? i'm trying to farm killshot ready

[tall torrent]

Agrip8

Graia4 is ok too

[night sparrow]

sick and nasty ty

[hot juniper]

Any decent infiltrate builds?

[proud marsh]

Which power sword is better? 3 or 6

[tall torrent]

6

[hollow ibex]

6

[last parcel]

6

the number of the beast

[oblique totem]

Yeah but 7 8 9.

[last parcel]

I thought 7 was a 6 offender

[thick needle]

The blessings of the Omnissiah

[oblique totem]

That is why 6 is afraid of 7

[faint beacon]

I actually just got left to deal with a Horde and a group of maulers by myself

Didn't even realize half my team just dipped on me cause I was trying to hold the line till was down

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo still have rock name after you

You is middle one

[hoary horizon]

Oh... Ulgo is okay if ogryn. BUT IF LIL UN IT NOT OKAY

[faint beacon]

Appreciate you remember big man, also I have no damn clue why I feel like its my fault for not checking my back but at the same time they were WAY ahead of me when the Horde came in from behind

[hoary horizon]

Not your fault! You need concentate on enemues to survive! Not team! Team abandon you without words!

[thick needle]

Your teammates broke before the Veteran did

[midnight totem]

huzzah

done with behind enemy lines

[molten hound]

i hate leveling dog

if you got two characters level 30 you should just be able to buy levels

[oblique totem]

No melee damage taken. Ironically it happened when I went all out and fought mostly with a melee weapon.

[midnight totem]

same

when you're in melee, you're more intune with the flow of the horde

when you're in the back shooting, you have to cover yourself if people come up from behind

[stone tapir]

so with the new update. has recon lazzers gotten adjusted?

[somber axle]

do we know what the new cosmetics look like for Thursday

[last parcel]

#veteran-class message

[somber axle]

OH WOW THANKS

[tall torrent]

It’s peak

[somber axle]

I really like it

[oblique totem]

Huh

[somber axle]

that darker helmet looks neat for pairing with other sets too

[oblique totem]

Not sure how I feel about this one

[somber axle]

it'll be so good for mix and match

[tall torrent]

I might grab it but honestly I prob am just gonna stick to Moebian 6th set eventually so I’m hesitating

[hollow ibex]

amazing hotfix, the game is stuttering on my 4090 lmao

i hope the shader compile only needs to be done once per patch or this is unplayable

[oblique totem]

Classic fixing one thing and breaking another

[somber axle]

that's fair

I want to grab at least the helmet if not the full set just for pairing with other things

I like the helmet model and the colour should go nicely with a lot of the other darker outfit pieces we've got

[last parcel]

99 bugs in the code
99 bugs in the code
take one down
patch it around
107 bugs in the code

[oblique totem]

Wait no, that's the wrong way

[somber axle]

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-e-pixar-disney-we-have-to-go-back-captain-b-mccrea-gif-16046035

[oblique totem]

Ah, gifs work for me now.

Nah, I'd die.

[last parcel]

you just needed to talk enough to get a red name

[midnight totem]

aw bullshit

[oblique totem]

Now I'm one of the boys.

[midnight totem]

take off the fucking candle on our new armor

[last parcel]

everything else is pure coom

and then the candle

the coom stick

[oblique totem]

How else can we see?

[last parcel]

the flashlight

[frank ether]

Its got that copy paste legging they put on like 50 different sets now

and helmet I think is a recolor too

[last parcel]

[oblique totem]

Candle makes it look like a zealot set

[frank ether]

I agree the torso is cool and ruined by the candle but like, who cares

[frank ether]

its probably the intention

[oblique totem]

Wonder if this means Zealot is getting a Veteran looking set

That'd be neat.

[frank ether]

they already have a few

my zealot looks like a guardsman

[oblique totem]

Well, one more

[frank ether]

and my vet looks like a tourist

[somber axle]

listen

hear me out

that Vet from the teaser trailer had a malfunctioning flashlight that failed when he needed it most

the machine spirit was wild and uncaring

candle is not a spirit

candle no care

candle only light

you no take candle

[frank ether]

lmao

[sturdy schooner]

how do i salvage this

ik the first blessings and perks are not ideal

[inland burrow]

Hi guys -- am I spreading myself too thin in talent points here if i'm using a rashad (all 80 except mobility ) + plasma (75+ all stat except charge rate)? just looking for a generalist setup for aurics -- should I just do focus target route and ignore right side? shredders instead of krak? thanks! https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bef9d12-e8e0-473a-bc93-82aeb9bad761/test-24

[sturdy schooner]

i aint an expert at all but I find if you're going plasma and potentiall mk 4 powersword you dont need kraks your armor killing potential is already insanely high eps w/ focus target and the main thing shredders do for you is help loosen up a dense crowd

[unreal bone]

But they literally have 2 versions of this chest without the candle..

[hollow ibex]

honestly i don't think flesh tearer is that bad, esp if you're running reciprocity