veteran-class

[somber axle]

They will all do either good horde clear or exceptional horde clear

Something for killing chaff when there's too big a horde to just go to town with the bayonet since your Helbore will clean up specials, elites, armour and bosses well enough on its own

[vague smelt]

If only I get good rolls

[vague smelt]

Caparace armor.?

[somber axle]

Yeah the Helbore Mk II should be able to comfortably kill Crushers but I can't remember how many shots it needs per Crusher

I know it needs more than the Mk III Helbore for sure

[vague smelt]

What

it doesn't

[somber axle]

Test it in the Psykanium against the Crusher

[vague smelt]

Lucius II bayonet sucks against armor unless you want me to use onslaught

[somber axle]

No no not the Bayonet

The charged shots

[last parcel]

took 7 shots for me

[somber axle]

Those should kill Crushers with solid TTK

[somber axle]

Geez really?

That's way more than I was expecting tbh

[last parcel]

that was with no crits though

[somber axle]

If only I was home to test mine 😩

Also I have a little over an hour and a lot of work to do. I must run but I will return!

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-run-run-away-gif-11108447366187845952

[vague smelt]

5 crits out of 7 shots

I'm discounting the last shot bc chip

[trim lantern]

<- Lvl 30 Vet. that still gets her ass kicked sometimes, I admit. lol

I regularly play on Damnation (including Auric) with a Columnus Braced Autogun as my favorite weapon of choice.
I've been experimenting, but Idk what to go with for my melee weapon. X_X

Some pointers I'll share for possible advice:

• I've trouble with getting swarmed when enemies seemingly surround me. What's better for helping me gtfo (melee?, ranged?, warcry?, grenade?) and what will I need to do to avoid needlessly losing a wound?
• I personally love the Columnus because it reminds me of Halo's assault rifles for their likewise stopping power and IRON.
• Does this game actually factor in weapon sway and "controlling your own rate of fire" when it comes to making the most of your ammo, per se? I've always had a hunch that I noticed moments where movement made me miss an otherwise guaranteed hit. (Wanna make sure I'm not going nuts.)

First time I got to Level 30, it was as a Psyker. ❤️

IIRC, it was before the talent rework? I'm not certain, though...

[trim hemlock]

Krak grenade penance done on Vet

Only tagging keystone penance remains

[hollow ibex]

For making space, frags and voice of command are supreme

You never get trapped

Just explode and shout your way out

And yah movement and extended bursts affects sway. But it’s not bad on most guns

[trim lantern]

Imo, it's not if I "will ever get trapped" - it's "what do I need to do when I get trapped" that matters. X_X

I preffer the answer to a problem as opposed to a "skill issue" 😛

[white minnow]

there's the usual recoil control and whatnot
there is generally minimal if not any spread at all while ADSed, but being suppressed will add a noticeable amount of spread even while ADSed on certain weapons

[trim lantern]

(Speaking from experience)

[hollow ibex]

Well either way those are two very good options to generate space.

[little path]

??

onslaught isn't a blessing

[last parcel]

she's also using a braced auto, so there's qutie a bit of spread in this case

[hollow ibex]

Very easy to get swarmed in higher difficulties

[white minnow]

onslaught was renamed to Weight of Fire

[last parcel]

it got renamed to weight of fire

[little path]

was that recent?

[trim lantern]

LOL - I love that pun

[little path]

because of the perk?

[last parcel]

yep

[last parcel]

like a month ago

[trim lantern]

Honestly, "Krak" is, imo, cracked indeed. XD

[trim hemlock]

Consider this

[trim lantern]

I love those anti-armor 'nades so much

[trim hemlock]

it's a bad blitz

I hate it

The penance for kraking as many armoured* things as you can is despicable

[idle swallow]

duality of man

[true bramble]

Anybody got a build to sweat On Overwatch?

[last parcel]

Not so cracked when you've gotten surrounded in a corner, however

[trim lantern]

Fair, but that's why it helps to build w/ Warcry

It makes sense

[trim hemlock]

I finally get to have some silliness in life:
(this is a Bolter build)

[trim lantern]

Wait, why not Smoke?

Don't Astartes use Smoke?

[trim hemlock]

I see potential in Smoke, but I don't really need Smoke in this build

[trim lantern]

(Trust me, I do sometimes... XD)

[trim hemlock]

IT IS AN OPTION, mind, albeit I like frags too much to care

[white minnow]

krak would be more meaningful in a world where a good portion of weapons didn't just delete crushers

[trim lantern]

One time, I got scared into running into "Yes" amount of guns.

It was that - or a DH

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, the entire blitz is powercrept by so many different things

[trim lantern]

The others were occupied with a Chaos Spawn XD

So I basically got a face full of Matrix

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/byee-lolol-gif-13058586

[trim lantern]

I wasn't even mad, tbh! When they saw it, they couldn't help but laugh w/ me.

"HOLY SHIT! THERE'S SO MANY GUNNERS!"

"GEE, NOT LIKE I WAS WHINING ABOUT IT PRIOR! XD"

• me to my buds

One other thing I'll mention: I love using the "I want to highlight everyone w/ a gun" talent for the default ability when basically being a "mini Astartes." XD

I want to imitate that opening sequence of Astartes SO BAD.

• Targets everywhere
• They're dead

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer40k-astartes-astartes-running-gif-17108806

me chasing plasteel

[bitter turtle]

You don't actually need 51 percent we realized btw

You don't lose a dodge even dipping below

So it makes it a little easier to roll stats on it

Still a 4 dmg stat weapon though

So prepare your dockets

[tame lodge]

I finally saw a Bulwark surviving krak

It was glorious

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, they survive a krak now if you don’t have any damage increases

[frank gyro]

best devil claw sword ?

[bitter turtle]

The only real niche they have is stunlocking bosses honestly

I really think

[trim hemlock]

Arguably 4, but some people like 7

[white minnow]

what the

[bitter turtle]

Buffing the main damage radius to 5m wouldn't even be over the top

[frank gyro]

is mkI any good?

[tame lodge]

Ogryns are having a hard time bullying bosses

[bitter turtle]

Make them actually worthwhile on crusher packs

[tame lodge]

War changed

[frank gyro]

which perks are good on the devil claws?

[bitter turtle]

Well actually, I'd prefer nerfing weapons across the board so a shit shovel oneshotting crushers isn't the standard anymore

But I doubt that will happen

[white minnow]

maybe if the construct a giant wooden horse and hide the nerfs inside

[dusk jacinth]

yall aint nevah seen no drip like this

[bitter turtle]

🤔

[white minnow]

part of me wants them to just not mention any nerfs in patch notes

[bitter turtle]

🐴

Lol

That would be extra troll

[white minnow]

because a lot of people are just reactionary to them without even playing the game before being so adamantly against them

[bitter turtle]

I think ppl legit would just not notice

[white minnow]

p much

[tall torrent]

4 and 7

[bitter turtle]

Except for hard number crunchers

[hearty panther]

i would only have noticed the scav nerf cause the buff appears on our bar now

with a timer

otherwise there has been no functional difference for me

[white minnow]

i probably wouldn't have noticed it besides having to pick up more ammo since i generally run mid-to-high ammo afficiency weapons anyways

[bitter turtle]

I barely use scav in the first place so I always have been playing around the ammo mechanic actually existing

[dusk jacinth]

my guy looks so goofy in any headgear

[white minnow]

i am reminded of somebody in here complaining that they could no longer spam the revolver into hordes with the survivalist nerf

so tragic

[trim hemlock]

[hearty panther]

such a loss to the larger community

[trim hemlock]

play it again
Johnny Guitar

[dusk jacinth]

survivalist FUCKED plasma

only get like 1 ammo per kill

[bitter turtle]

oh no

[tall torrent]

~1.5

[bitter turtle]

the ltieral best gun got slightly worse

[tall torrent]

Plasma is fine

[bitter turtle]

the sky is falling

[white minnow]

so sad that you're ammo negative when annihilating elite patrols

[dusk jacinth]

nio........

[bitter turtle]

vet is dead

[dusk jacinth]

it needs to do 3 trillion damage

[tall torrent]

Having to actually think about ammo on plasma is good actually

[bitter turtle]

nyooooooooooo

[white minnow]

ooooooooom

[dusk jacinth]

u;d think

i still just be spamming dat bitch into elites

never ran out of ammo completly

always had enuf for a couple shots

[tame lodge]

I think we should start charging it

[bitter turtle]

i still see plasma users shooting not hordes regularly so im sure its fine

[tall torrent]

With a few more pickups, yea

[dusk jacinth]

nop

takes me like 40% of the mission to run out of ammo not including pickups

[tall torrent]

Are u shooting at literally everything & anything or do u melee a decent amount

[dusk jacinth]

50/50

if i have it out at the time ill just shoot anything closest

[tall torrent]

Yea so it’s fine

[dusk jacinth]

i be watchinbg them bitches expldoe!!!

low quality vet save me

[urban steppe]

🤔

[urban steppe]

i like mine

[somber axle]

Hmm I need to get home and test mine to see how many shots it takes. I want to see how far the Mk II can be squeezed for Crusher breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

the mk2 isn't very high dps on a crusher

idk how you rate a v7 at carapace killing

but even it does it faster just spamming headshots into crusher heads

[trim hemlock]

Yuri, would this work for a WS Vraks 3 build?

[bitter turtle]

yes because that's basically what i run

point for point

lol

[trim hemlock]

[bitter turtle]

like literally

oh wait

i dont run suppression+

but that line is all mid talents anyway

[somber axle]

It's going to be goofy but I want to see how far the Mk II can be pushed for Crushers through The Bigger They Are, Focus Target, Superiority Complex, Marksman, Rending Strikes, Precision Strikes, Kill Zone, Longshot, For the Emperor, +Carapace damage perk and Executioner's Stance. I know that will be super juicing and not at all consistent for TTK (especially since For the Emperor is only a 5 sec duration) but I wonder what is the absolute minimum number of shots the Mk II can do in the most ideal scenario and then work backward from there to see what's realistic to optimize for in a match

[trim hemlock]

well yeah, that point doesn't matter all too well, I might just as well run the middle skill

[bitter turtle]

but yeah i run that with rashad

[trim hemlock]

cheers for input then

[bitter turtle]

im sure knife would work fine too if you just swap to recip for knife

[somber axle]

Plus it'll be funny clown science

[bitter turtle]

[trim hemlock]

I have an inglorious V3 to put it to the test

[white minnow]

weapon specialist headhunter builds 😎

[bitter turtle]

damn

that is better than mine 😔

https://i.gyazo.com/48024266a48e9dfe788ac641fc3750fe.png

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

only HH3

[trim hemlock]

This is one of the very few 550s that I have

[tall torrent]

I don’t have 550 at all

But I have a bunch of 540+

[vague smelt]

Ok this gun is so fun

infinite ammo sniper rifle

[bitter turtle]

dont forget to use the bayonet

its still good

[vague smelt]

It is

[bitter turtle]

even if its been nerfed twice

staggers ragers

while doing pretty high damage

it just doesnt cleave for shit anymore

[vague smelt]

I can explain the mediocre score

It was...lights out

And ogryn was a massive gunlugger

we had 3 ammo crates at the end in Carnival so we gave him all the crates to spam frags

[last parcel]

bro forgot to eat his carrots

[bitter turtle]

10/7/8 ammo pickups jesus christ

well he did damage with it at least

[vague smelt]

and kills

well I was unironically the boss killer with this amazing helbore

[bitter turtle]

they bayonet does pretty well into bosses

[vague smelt]

It does

[bitter turtle]

tip for running around btw

you can hold the bayonet charged attack

and it makes you sprint slightly faster

its like knife in that way

much less extreme though

[vague smelt]

I wish this game didn't dump me damage every single time

[bitter turtle]

i miss bromentum bayonet 😔

but yeah, that sprint boost is very nice

[vague smelt]

I don't like I have to do the long animation before using it

[bitter turtle]

for them bayonet charges

[balmy flume]

I am attempting that light out and boss maelstrom.
Did the rare thing of breaking out my Boltgun for it over any of the Laspistols.
Still went down miserably (but lasted a good bit longer)

[bitter turtle]

you mean for the "charged" stab?

its not really for dps

it does add a little damage, just prob not enough to warrant it unless it lowers a bp

you just hold it down while sprinting for a little boost in speed

[vague smelt]

no

the weapon swap in/out

[bitter turtle]

oh

yeah that's why the bayonet exists

so if like

a couple dudes are bothering you

you dont need to swap

you can just poke them

it can no longer handle hordes though since it used to inherit bromentum and now does not

so you still have to swap on hordes

but even a couple ragers coming at you

shouldnt force you into swapping

you can just stab them to death with the great stagger on the bayo

[vague smelt]

Good enough

[dusk jacinth]

did cadia have any hive cities

[somber axle]

YEAH it's so good and so fun

Now I want to play mine when I get home

[vague smelt]

It's literally an infinite ammo support sniper

[somber axle]

Yeah it is

[vague smelt]

Just don't do like me and play it in Lights out

[somber axle]

That's where the bayonet comes in

[tame lodge]

Bunch of fortresses iirc

They were ready to throw hands

[somber axle]

For what it is worth I think your guy looks cool

[winter grove]

Not anymore

[last parcel]

😢

[somber axle]

OHMYGOSH

I think 2 shotting a Crusher is almost possible with the Mk II Helbore LMFAO

I didn't even have +Cara perk on my Mk II and it 3 shot the Crusher, but after the 2nd shot the Crusher was down to a sliver

like even the tiniest bit of extra damage would push it over the edge into 2 shot territory

for a gun that fires as fast as the Mk II that's INSANE

[tall torrent]

Did u stack every +Dmg buff for it

[somber axle]

Going to grab another of my Mk II Helbores and shove Carapace on it

[somber axle]

everything except for +Carapace perk

with +Carapace perk it would hit the 2HKO on Crushers for sure

kinda insane that the Mk II has such a massive variance in Crusher breakpoints tbh

anywhere from 2 shots to 7 shots depending on talent set up

[tall torrent]

Still not practical

[frank basin]

Ask soldier 69 if he know

[somber axle]

yeah it's def not practical but I'm starting at the top and working my way down

I'll figure out what a practical breakpoint to hit for the Mk II is

I'm betting you can get in the range of 3-4 shots per Crusher comfortably without needing too much juice

2 shot if you go all in Vegas style

[tall torrent]

4 shot is 900 Dmg/shot

[somber axle]

it's not 1HKO territory like the Mk III but tbh if it was there would be zero reason to use the Mk III over the Mk II

OH

numbers cat

I forgor

this is without combat stim

I know that seems like a given but I felt like I should say that

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t rely on Dmg stim for breakpoints

[somber axle]

I'm not tbh

but I do want to see how silly the damage can get with all the juice in the world

kinda like testing Bulwark shield stagger threshold on the Boltgun

this is clown science and this is just to see how funny the numbers can go

then I'll work backward to find a more practical set up

[frank basin]

Just throw karak nade

[somber axle]

Ok I got it

2 shot ezpz

this is without Combat stim but I don't think combat stim would change anything tbh

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/stim-im-ready-hyped-activated-triggered-gif-14454774

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/148f9d361ed78917a5792ab987ee07f3

Is this practical? Absolutely not LMFAO

but it is hilarious that a Mk II can literally put the II into a Crusher's face and make them eat that number

gonna share the talent set up for funsies

I did not grab Opening Salvo because between Surgical and Deadshot your crit chance is already hyper-stacked

I felt the 1 min grenade regen would be more fitting for a more realistic build

no confirmed kill so your toughness regen is gonna hurt

also I don't think Fire Team actually made any difference tbh

I just grabbed it to say I used every last bit of juice I could get

[frank basin]

Karak nade

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-juice-spilling-wimmer-wimmerrad-gif-21313563

[somber axle]

yeah to save points for going into Fire Team LMFAO

a more realistic build would slide into Shredder + Survivalist Aura

I'm going to swap the points around to those instead and see if it changes anything

but I don't think it should

OH

there's even a 5% ranged damage node directly between Shredder and Survivalist Aura

so there really should be no change LOL

recording time

new build for reference

https://gyazo.com/43ea527b4db316cef3a88cdd641e6811

this is getting dangerously close to "pop a combat stim and literally 1HKO Crushers" tbh

ok maybe not Crushers plural

you're not going to have 8 stack focus target back for the second Crusher

[austere pine]

no grenade stockpile

garbage

[somber axle]

but this is still getting funny

Yeah I grabbed Demo Team instead of grenade stockpile

though I could probably swap off Rending Strikes and Demo Team to get stockpile instead

and see no difference to 2HKO

I'll test that real quick

[austere pine]

i think shock trooper might not be the choice

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper is too good to ignore on a Helbore for how it makes it so hilariously ammo efficient on special/elite kill

especially when paired with even the nerfed version of Survivalist Aura

infinite ammo gun

let the rest of the team fight over ammo

you're fighting the enemy

[austere pine]

if you're running helbore, you need to be running krieg

and kriegers love their shovels

so if you're shooting permanently, you're not playing helbore right

[somber axle]

Yeah this can still 2HKO a Crusher without Rending Strikes

and tbh it never needed Rending Strikes to hit that breakpoint

I can probably shift more points around

it's not nearly as tight on the 2 shot as it seems

https://gyazo.com/58c3a91a4e5566cd93afde26f50c01dc

[austere pine]

first shot was 2.7k and the 2nd one only needed about 800

[somber axle]

this is without rending strikes

I swapped the points off rending strikes and demo team to instead get demo stockpile

still VERY comfortably in 2HKO range

honestly aside from Executioner's Stance being the ability most people tend to shy away from this feels like a legitimate build to me

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[somber axle]

with a bit of a weakness on toughness regen since I'm forgoing confirmed kill

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper is only rly needed for like

4 guns

HB3, and all 3 recon Lasguns

Can be good on Laspistol if not taking survivalist

[somber axle]

Where would you swap the point to from Shock Trooper?

could maybe go Demo Team and go even harder into shredders

with how the 2HKO breakpoint is, I could probably take away 8 stack Focus Target too

then still reliably 2HKO the first Crusher with For the Emperor active and have 2 more points flexible to the build

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen boost

[somber axle]

and tbh I'm not even sure if I need For the Emperor

lemme test without 8 stack and For the Emperor buffs

ok

it STILL hits the 2HKO breakpoint on Crusher without both of those

5 stack Focus Target is enough

lemme share

current build

[tall torrent]

Why +50% suppression lol

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/d34a5933e9db293666c2e938bdf7fa37

[somber axle]

literally just to test this without For the Emperor for science

CLOWN SCIENCE

to see if that extra damage from that node was actually necessary

it is not

[tall torrent]

Marksman is a lot of extra Dmg because it’s +20% power

[somber axle]

losing both 8 stack Focus Target AND For the Emperor's +10% ranged base damage still left it comfortably able to 2HKO

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u can hold this breakpoint well tho

[somber axle]

this is starting to feel less silly and more like it's actually realistic to 2HKO Crushers with a Mk II Helbore

[tall torrent]

Because Killzone is unreliable

[somber axle]

That's true

might need For the Emperor and/or 8 stack to compensate but in either case those are not consistently available

8 stack takes a while to recharge back up to full stacks and FtE is only 5 sec duration with Exe Stance on a 30 sec CD

lemme try without Killzone real quick

swapping to opening salvo instead to test the loss of damage from skipping Kill Zone

Ok now we're finally in 3HKO territory

though this was with the first shot not critting

if you do not crit on both shots you now need 3 shots to kill a Crusher HOWEVER if you crit on both shots (very doable with Surgical + Deadshot) you STILL hit the 2HKO breakpoint on Crushers

lemme reshare that

it's not embedding

https://gyazo.com/8457b8cc6a674366000ce64d24b2a88b

getting a recording of the back to back crit 2HKO one sec

https://gyazo.com/1b1c54857fd2aa74761c5587f4419a65

these last two clips are with

this build purposely skipping kill zone to show it without the damage buff from it

kill zone isn't consistent but you can still consistently crit using surgical and deadshot so the 2HKO is still in very realistic and comfortable grounds to hit

these tests were done with

80% damage/80% stopping power and +25% Carapace

so this is best case scenario on a Helbore Mk II roll when aiming for Crusher breakpoints

I'm going to drop Executioner's Stance in favour of Voice of Command just as a test

I know a lot of people prefer to use that instead

Voice of Command has a similar CD and it'll still give you Marksman uptime for the +20% power but you'll lose out on the +25% ranged damage, +25% ranged weakspot damage, spread reduction and recoil reduction from Executioner's Stance

New build:

keep in mind this is purposely ignoring a lot of damage buffs in the tree to test when it begins to fall into 3HKO territory

if it looks silly it's because this is CLOWN SCIENCE

[somber axle]

ok NOW we're down to 3HKO territory (and weirdly enough) down to 4HKO territory

Executioner's Stance really was carrying this much harder than it seemed

Voice of Command is not nearly as much juice with Marksman

[oblique totem]

Hm. I didn't know clowns could be scientists

[somber axle]

one sec lemme repost

it's not embedding this one

https://gyazo.com/129ce6594aa1f1592ec7dcc60e96a61a

there we go

so it is still TECHNICALLY possible to 3HKO with this build however you need to get all three shots to crit

if any of the shots fails to crit, it will take 4 shots to kill

you can easily alleviate this by taking some of the other damage nodes to push at least the first Crusher kill into 3HKO territory

anyway unless there's anything else people want me to test I think that's enough clown science on the Mk II Helbore

OH WAIT

[tame lodge]

Free internet

[somber axle]

THERE IS ONE MORE THING...

[last parcel]

infiltrate surprise attack

[frank basin]

Shredder does stagger good

For cc

Breathing room is needed

[somber axle]

I'll test that one too but there's one clown test I need to see

is it even physically possible for the Mk II to achieve 1HKO Crusher status with literally every last drop of juice the game has to offer (outside of Smiteker damage bonus, Ogryn taunt damage bonus, Competitive Urge damage bonus, etc. because I can't test team based buffs in the Psykanium and this is mostly meant to see what a solo Vet can pull with their own hands)

you are not going to believe this

[oblique totem]

I probably will

[somber axle]

this build with combat stim does actually hit the 1HKO Crusher breakpoint

it IS possible to 1HKO Crusher with the Mk II

realistic? no

hilarious? YES

https://gyazo.com/933b944295d03d905e8c0586578c0e12

[oblique totem]

So this build is based around constantly picking up and using combat stims?

[somber axle]

no

this was CLOWN SCIENCE

if you scroll up you can read through the clown scientific process

it is extensive

I tested it within and without various damage nodes across the talent tree

with and without +Carapace 25% damage

[oblique totem]

Well I skimmed it

[somber axle]

to see different breakpoints

if you're not interested in the book

the cliffnotes:

[oblique totem]

I'm actually quite interested I just don't currently use the Hellbore nor do I have any real desire to

[somber axle]

Mk II Helbore can comfortably hit 2HKO Crusher breakpoints on at least the first Crusher (and likely a second given Weight of Fire and good Charge Rate stat for how fast it fires) without too much juice from the talent tree to make it happen as long as you have Executioner's Stance

if you forgo Executioner's Stance to instead grab Voice of Command but still pick up some of the main ones like Superiority Complex, Marksman and The Bigger They Are you can still 3HKO Crushers albeit with some difficulty since all three shots need to crit for that breakpoint

otherwise it will take 4 shots

but this is with a perfect 80% damage/80% stopping power Mk II Helbore with +Carapace

if you drop the stats, lose the perk

you'll find that shots will begin to fall off further into 5-7 shot territory

anyway thank you for coming to today's clown lesson

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-circus-digital-gif-17028398693419616185

wait

discord never EMBEDDED THE FUNNY 1HKO

https://gyazo.com/933b944295d03d905e8c0586578c0e12

here it is

[last parcel]

is this through the table and the memes

wait no there's too much boing to be taht version

[somber axle]

List of Damage Buffs used to make this happen:

Superiority Complex +15% Elite Damage
Bring It Down! +20% Ogryn/Monstrosity Damage (I kept mistaking this for The Bigger They Are)
5% Ranged Damage talent node above Survivalist Aura
Longshot +20% Damage (reduced closer you are to the target)
Kill Zone +15% Base Ranged Damage (if no enemies within 8m)
Fire Team +5% Damage
Executioner's Stance +25% Ranged Damage, +25% Ranged Weakspot Damage
Precision Strikes +30% Weak Spot Damage
For the Emperor +10% Ranged/Melee Base Damage (5 sec duration)
Rending Strikes +10% rending
Focus Target! + Focused Fire +32% Damage (8 stacks at 4% damage per stack)
Combat Stim +25% Power, +25% Rending
80% Damage/80% Stopping Power Helbore Mk II
Carapace Damage Perk +25%

[somber axle]

oh it's dragon music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odSwYJXJ1YI

[tame lodge]

Probably not since I'm struggling to listen to the riff

[somber axle]

I put this on loop during games and use a repeater thing to section off just the music

it's clown music for me

[oblique totem]

Honk honk

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-dance-pomni-the-amazing-pomni-digital-circus-dancing-pomni-pomni-and-the-witch-eyebrows-gif-12820093209985177039

[oblique totem]

Fake news. Pomni isn't happy

[somber axle]

you don't need to be happy to smile tbh

[tame lodge]

Hmm, sad clown trope is overrated

[oblique totem]

True but Pomni has a specific reason

[tame lodge]

Yeah I can't remember

(didn't watch it)

[last parcel]

another addition to my cancer playlist

[oblique totem]

Why would you have a cancer playlist?

[tame lodge]

It's ever growing

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/u-know-what-you-did-gif-21611094

[oblique totem]

That doesn't answer my question but it does tell me I probably shouldn't want to know the answer

[sterile phoenix]

How cope is this?

[midnight totem]

under 360 total? UNUSEABLE

[umbral scaffold]

is stacking reload speed worth it on the agripnaa shotgun?

30% volley adept, 25% tactical reload, and 10-15% marksmen focus

just to chain the special attack for specials

[tame lodge]

The volley adept itself is already enough, you can see it at the meat grinder

[umbral scaffold]

is there a cap?

[tame lodge]

Well as long as you get the required kills

[umbral scaffold]

there's a reload speed cap?

[tame lodge]

I am not aware of such information

[umbral scaffold]

or redundant?

[tame lodge]

You'll save some points only picking one of the reload buffs

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

worth to take the 10% instead?

rending*

and the one in marksmen focus

20% rending

[bitter turtle]

Volley adept no

It's awkward

If younload a special shell it consumes the buff so it doesn't work for the full reload after

At least I don't think it's worth

You have to take Longshot which is very questionable on a shotgun to reach it too

[umbral scaffold]

ic

[bitter turtle]

I would grab

[umbral scaffold]

agripnaa

[bitter turtle]

Tac reload at least

Oh if it's agri ig it could work out

[umbral scaffold]

sluggy

[bitter turtle]

Yeah then Longshot has some validity

If you ever decide to try wep specialist

I usually take the reload boost there too

Under the always prepared node

[umbral scaffold]

marksmen focus i like on the sluggy

knife dodge range is insane tho with weapon specialist

its like power sword vs normal knife

bro dodge slides like they be greased

[sterile phoenix]

How can I improve this?

[hollow ibex]

replace perks with flakiac, and then preferably roll for a better one

stopping power is really low

[hearty panther]

ye

itll hold ya over fine tho

[somber axle]

that depends do you want a Lawbringer that focuses on elite/special kill potential or do you want to double down on memes and go Manstopper + Scattershot while ignoring your perks to evaporate hordes

though realistically yeah listen to Sirosky

but if you wanna make a meme Lawbringer shotgun that evaporates hordes because it's funny then do the Manstopper/Scattershot thing

[hearty panther]

and you get a deathspitter 4

[tame lodge]

Point blank special shot

[feral cave]

My disappointment of a combat axe... Should I switch both blessings to Decimator and Headtaker? Or should I switch out AoN for Decimator and switch Block Efficiency for FLak damage?

[dusk jacinth]

vereran chat

drop a GOOD vet build based on ranged

and i do not want plasma bitch........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is82kkbN-ig

something like this

but good

and not shitty

[feral cave]

What if

You used the build in the video

but made it good yourself?

[last parcel]

inconceivable

[dusk jacinth]

i do not feel like doing brainwork

i wish to have a build

[tame lodge]

Why being Cadian is important for the build lmao

[last parcel]

the purple eyes are seential

[dusk jacinth]

idk!

[midnight totem]

Ha! Purple eyed losers

[tame lodge]

No Determination on that build

With a lasgun

Tons of toughness regen and tdr

[bitter turtle]

that is just*

unsalvagable

sorry

[feral cave]

Yeah, figured as much.

[bitter turtle]

the correct blessings are thrust and bromentum

the achlys has a unique horizontal heavy swing to it

that the other to caxes dont have

that is your main move for hordes

[feral cave]

Ahhh, I see.

[bitter turtle]

it stacks thrust very fast compared to other weapons iirc

so you thrust with bromentum to clean kill 4 enemies every time

[feral cave]

Wait- bromentum (great shortening btw) is weak spot damage

[tame lodge]

Hold up, bro might be cooking something

[feral cave]

weak spot damage is ass

[last parcel]

the second part of it

[bitter turtle]

that is not why you take it

you are correct that the weak spot damage portion is basically shit

the main point of taking it is the "ignore enemy hitmass" effect

[tame lodge]

That's what you want

[bitter turtle]

its vague but basically

if you kill an enemy

it transfers full damage to the next enemy

so like normally, say if you hit an enemy for 600 damage, and then 300 damage cleaves over, and then 150 to the next one, and so on

with bromentum

[feral cave]

No I know what that is- I generally use power swords on Vet, I know what a hit that ignores enemy hitmass is like

[bitter turtle]

you hit them for 600. If it dies, the nex tone takes 600, etc.

oh

okay then what's the confusion

bromentum is taken for that alone

even on psword the weak spot damage is irrelevant

[feral cave]

and I coulda swore I heard someone say that... was it critical or weak spot kills? Those ignore enemy hitmass anyways.

[white minnow]

critical hits don't mess with cleave by default

[bitter turtle]

someone lied to you

if that was true

then why even take bromentum on psword

[white minnow]

by default, crits only bump up the damage and sometimes the attack's ADMs
but otherwise a blessing is required for such an effect

[bitter turtle]

if weak spot kills already ignore hitmass

the effect literally says "ignore enemy hitmass on weak spot kill"

[last parcel]

that's with the perfect strike blessing on eviscerator and heavy sword (iirc)

[midnight totem]

What you're probably referring to is, chainswords deal full crit damage to follow up targets

Or something like that

[white minnow]

brutal momentum's description is also wrong if you're making a guess of what it does based on the description

[feral cave]

...I had

a power sword

[lone shoal]

Chaxe is so fuckin fun to use.

[feral cave]

with bromentum and Power Cycler a while ago before I farmed a new one.

With Slaughterer, that is.
I was wondering why the new one felt like it wasn't cutting as well...

[bitter turtle]

bromentum is the best anti-horde blessing

so

uh

yeah

that would do it

lol

[bronze trout]

woo

[midnight totem]

That's a great bot

Also congrats

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

i recorded a slaughterer vs bromentum comparison

even at max stacks

slaughterer is worse

[tame lodge]

Congrats I guess

[midnight totem]

How about sunder?

[bitter turtle]

sunder into hordes does even worse than slaughterer but that is not why you take it

you take it because it lets you cleave like 7 ragers at once

so its just, do you want to be able to cleave elites better, or mince hordes better

[midnight totem]

Take both

[bitter turtle]

yeah just dont take pcycler 🤔

[midnight totem]

... then cry without power cycler

XD

[tame lodge]

[feral cave]

https://youtu.be/5HIFxEEX2s0?si=XXwuiTuGi9sq6eSa

[ebon umbra]

me and my zealot duo lost our last game for auric storm survivor

we were trying to complete the shred enemies with the giant fan thingy as well

u can guess how this ended

[midnight totem]

I watched a guy get shredded by it for the first time today

He didn't know about the change

But I have to be honest

[sturdy schooner]

can i settle on this or is there any other combos yall might suggest I should go for

[midnight totem]

How many people look at a giant blending fan in a video game and think "I should walk into that?"

[sturdy schooner]

i have carapace bc I do not trust myself to be able to snipe stab like 5 crushers with my mk 4 power sword

[sturdy schooner]

call of the abyss..

also comedy

[bitter turtle]

i dont think carapace changes anything

let me test your exact gun

what keystone are you using

[rapid hedge]

@sturdy schooner das a good roll

[sturdy schooner]

the one that gives dmg stacks on ping

[bitter turtle]

ok

[sturdy schooner]

i was thinking of changing carapcae to elites bc

I find a lot of the times

[bitter turtle]

and you take superiority complex right?

[sturdy schooner]

I have to 2 tap specialists or gunners

[tame lodge]

"Does this kill me?"

[bitter turtle]

15% elitee damage

[rapid hedge]

stats could be better but its in the higher end of rolls

[bitter turtle]

on the tree

[sturdy schooner]

i just crashed so lemme check gahaha

crashes have been so plentiful

😔

[sturdy schooner]

es

yes

[bitter turtle]

and +20% ogryn damage right

this is with +10% elite perk

[tall torrent]

He also needs longshot or redirect fire

[bitter turtle]

you still get the 3 shot with just 2 focus stacks

no, he doesnt need redirect

if he has redirect

he can actually skip elite as well

[tall torrent]

Oh for crusher?

[bitter turtle]

yes

this is no elite no carapace, but 5 redirect + 2 focus

[tall torrent]

I thought he was talking abt gunner breakpoint since he said he needs 2 shots

[bitter turtle]

ah

nah he was talking about crushers

so basically

you can go elite if you dont want to depend on redirect fire

but if you think you'll have it up generally

then you can skip elite entirely and pick something else

carapace, at least, is pointless

[tall torrent]

Plasma vs crusher kinda isn’t very worth anymore

At least +carapace perk is way less valuable than before because of it

[dusk jacinth]

god roll powersword now

not in the sense i want one

i want to see what blessings are on it

and plasma gun please

[arctic rampart]

that is a fine plasma. with 54 thermal resistance, you probably want to do the shoot to 100% => hit the reduce heat button => fire twice => hit the reduce heat button => fire twice setup. don't use charge at all, or ads.

using that style charge or thermal are dump stats so its a lot easier to make a good plasma

[rapid hedge]

man getting an almost perfect role on my plasma and power sword has ruined other classes for me, veteran with min maxed voice of command carries so hard

[sturdy schooner]

yeah i have both

sorry i tabbed off ill read all this advice rn

the main thing is I do auric damnation just fine but

when I hit maelstrom is feels like I suck so much ass

[rapid hedge]

u need ur plasma to hit breakpoints level of damage

then u can one shot elites

and specials

[arctic rampart]

whats your melee weapon? if both weapons are slow you'll want weapon specialist

[rapid hedge]

3 dead specials = voice of command reset

[sturdy schooner]

my sword isnt godroll but i heard it was

pretty damn good

[arctic rampart]

you can swap blaze away for the toughness regen on kill one if you prefer

[rapid hedge]

ya dats good

[arctic rampart]

yeah so definitely go weapon specialist

[somber axle]

Wait what happened? I thought Plasma could 1HKO on charged shot or kill in 3 rapid-fire taps?

Is it just too ammo expensive?

[arctic rampart]

voice of command, survivalist, superiority complex, iron will, desperado, trench fighter are what I'd recommend with power sword & plasma

[sturdy schooner]

in that case is it just better off taking +elite

i assume elite applies to crushers too

[arctic rampart]

personally find I like to have 200 toughness, 3 wounds but lots like agile engagement type instead

[sturdy schooner]

I will eventually build to something like that

knife & revolver for that good ol gunslinging ranger feel

[tall torrent]

ammo concern mostly

[sturdy schooner]

for now I just want to be able to be competent in maelstroms

[tall torrent]

u only hit 1 at a time

9 ammo to kill 1 crusher kinda just isn't worth it?

[arctic rampart]

maniac is important on plasma so its good you got it. the other one is your preference i like boss damage and ogryn/monstrosity trait (bring it down)

[tall torrent]

elite is the best perk for plasma

[arctic rampart]

nah, maniac is

[tall torrent]

maniac isn't lol

[arctic rampart]

otherwise you dont 1 shot flamers sometimes

[tall torrent]

no

[arctic rampart]

are you charging your plasma or no ads

[tall torrent]

plasma can 1 shot flamer without maniac

no charge

[arctic rampart]

it can and does like 3/4 times for me, but not 1/4 of the time depending on heat and blaze away stacks. its unreliable enough that you want maniac. and for his its stuck on it so kind of just a pointless argument

I was testing with 10% elites instead of 25% maniac last 20 rounds

[tall torrent]

Are you hitting head or body

[rapid hedge]

These are my bad bois Xd

[arctic rampart]

probably both, but they're left alive with a sliver on ones im sure were headshots a few times

good setup, you can use that to grind out any other weapons you want to try. ol'l faithful

[rapid hedge]

yepp

[somber axle]

Ah ok the ammo thing makes sense

[tall torrent]

u just need redirect fire or longshot

First shot (no redirect fire), close but not 1 shot

2nd shot (5 stack tag), 1 shot

Final shot (5 stack redirect fire), 1 shot

[somber axle]

Too expensive when there are so many other ways to kill them

[rapid hedge]

u can try my build if u like, auric maelstroms.

[tall torrent]

Maniac’s main purpose is for non-headshot 1 hit kill both flamers, which you still need some extra +dmg to get

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-manic-save-me-gif-27193560

[oblique totem]

He's just standing there.
Menacingly!

[amber cliff]

thats IT

IM THROWING MY HELLBOIRE IN THE TRASH

its ass

https://tenor.com/ZSmw.gif

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-spongebob-jellyfish-dumb-gif-15512553

me lickin that helbussy

[edgy obsidian]

that what

[thick needle]

Trying to learn to use the plasma gun for aurics

Did fatshark remove the charging meter I keep seeing on tutorial vids or is everyone just using mods

[edgy obsidian]

nah charging meter is standard ui

[terse idol]

uh

[edgy obsidian]

should show up once you shot

[terse idol]

left click

😌

Naw but

The charging meter like the %?

[thick needle]

Mostly just trying to get a feel for when I should be trying to charge a shot and how to stop locking myself into the wrong fire mode

[edgy obsidian]

from my fairly limited time using plasma, you don't charge much

left click spam carries 92% of situations

You could charge shots against crushers and bosses probs. However I'm a vet nub, so take what I say with a grain of salt and maybe check with someone with more than 2 brain cells

[last parcel]

i don't need brain cells

the Master guideth my shots

[leaden hollow]

lasagna

[finite carbon]

lasagna

[young venture]

I got the On Overwatch penance!

I feel really guilty though because I was playing like a total coward watching my teammates fight the boss while I stayed by the entrance trying to snipe with my revolver

[last parcel]

sounds like you were positioned to provide overwatch for your team

[finite carbon]

Wait, that's not how you play vet?

[pseudo fiber]

well now that you did it you don't have to worry about throwing again!
Don't read the other penances.

[young venture]

Lol

No real it felt so weird as I have a hyper aggressive play style and it’s been very hard that last few months to break that long enough to complete it

[pseudo fiber]

I mean aggressive is the way to go so I get that.

[rigid pilot]

Even if I perch somewhere on a high ground some heretics will always stumble over to give me a love tap

[young venture]

Same thing I swear they have teleportation machines just to inconvenience you

All I have left is the 2 domination difficulty and 5 ability penances left

[pseudo fiber]

Good luck gamer

[thick needle]

Good tip for the Krak grenade one
The game counts basically any Scab enemy as "armored"
So to grind it at a sane rate, start chucking kraks into mobs of scab riflemen

As another Master of War, that one takes fucking forever

[young venture]

Yeah I found out about that yesterday jumped from ~200 to 334 since

[umbral parrot]

Any tips on how to finish up Readying Killshot?

If not, i'm getting my power sword, crouch, and chop away!

[thick needle]

Which one is that

[last parcel]

well that's the advice you'd get from here so looks like you're ahead of the game

[thick needle]

Ah, the Marksman one

[umbral parrot]

Seriously not a faster way?

[bronze trout]

welp lost my auric 10 auric streak to joining a match and getting launched off the map by a bomber

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[umbral parrot]

Dang, this is just as bad as Armorbane.

[thick needle]

Yeah the biggest advice I can give you is to use camouflage and an autogun and spray into a horde

[unreal bone]

My reaction to seeing my veteran teammates.

[umbral parrot]

Lame.

How about armorbane? Sticky bombs on Crushesr, gunners and everything in between is also a pain lol

just want it done with.

[unreal bone]

Trust me Fork

[thick needle]

#veteran-class message

[unreal bone]

there are worse penances than armorbane

Behind Enemy Lines for zealot

will make you rip your fucking hair out

[umbral parrot]

❤️

These Penances are not fun lol.

[thick needle]

Trying to get Auric streaks has generated more genuine hate for my teammates

I be getting two 3 man rescues sweating my nuts off and Ed, Edd and Eddy will let me die the first time a trapper nets me

[umbral parrot]

Well, i was playing Ogryn, I managed to get that after 2 days. BARRELS! WATCH OUT FOR THEM

[thick needle]

Getting downed and barrels ain't even the issue
It's the utter lack of revives

[pseudo fiber]

I love throwing for 10 points. I love throwing for 10 points!

[oblique totem]

Barrels end more deathless runs than heretics

[night sparrow]

i've lost 2 9/10s to barrels

[thick needle]

Does no one else try to earn Up And At 'Em

[oblique totem]

I do

[unreal bone]

It really is such a shitty penance

[amber cliff]

fucking 1000??????

NOT EVEN A REWARD???

[unreal bone]

It's so fucking poorly designed it literally ruins runs on higher difficulties

[pseudo fiber]

You get a border

[amber cliff]

i still think marksmans focus is dogshit

i thought you get it at 500

[thick needle]

You get a reward

[amber cliff]

thank the lord

[pseudo fiber]

I'm at 187 rn thankfully almost done. I hate it.

[thick needle]

BUT YE SHOULD NOT BE SEEKIN A REWARD, BUT THE EMPEROR'S FAVOR FER DOIN SO

[unreal bone]

It would actually go a lot faster if the third enemy type counted to it

you have Scabs, Dregs, and Stalkers.

Scabs and Dregs count for it

but the Stalkers that SHOOT YOU WITH LASGUNS

do nto count as ranged mobs.,

[rigid pilot]

They don't?

[pseudo fiber]

For my own sanity I choose not to believe that as true.

[unreal bone]

NOPE

They do not

I backstabbed atleast 40 of them one mission

[rigid pilot]

Didn't they fix it for exe stance

[unreal bone]

on Archivum Sycorax

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[unreal bone]

and not one of them counter

[rigid pilot]

Might be fartshart servers

[pseudo fiber]

I mean it would explain why its going so slowly...

They pack up into groups of 10 or so

Even though surely you'd backstab at least 40% of them

[rigid pilot]

I guess easiest way to check is press TAB and bookmark the penance

[pseudo fiber]

I have been.

It's hard to track that. And the coherency without throwing.

[unreal bone]

It's not Fartshart servers

stalkers literally do not count for it.

[rigid pilot]

F

[amber cliff]

everyone I have a announcment

i am going to try recon lasgun

[unreal bone]

Welcome to pain.

[pseudo fiber]

Fuckin
Infernus

Be the flamethrower

That's it that's the best you're getting

[amber cliff]

Its also a dogshit one so be ready

[umbral parrot]

Theory

I can get Readying Killshot with a shotgun, cleave blessing, crits, and fighting the Karnak Twins.

[pseudo fiber]

Imma be fr fr

That's actually a pretty good roll

[umbral parrot]

The only time i can think of while unlocking armor bane.

[unreal bone]

Recon doesn't suck if you play the most op veteran build out there.

to lift it up.

🥹

[pseudo fiber]

VoC plasma?

[thick needle]

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

[unreal bone]

VoC with triple toughness curious ontop of triple toughness secondaries + powersword + all the dmg reduction in the world

[amber cliff]

This isn't the good recon tho is it?

"good"

[last parcel]

it's the worst one

[unreal bone]

The green one is considered the worst

[last parcel]

[unreal bone]

It is however my favorite one.

[pseudo fiber]

I like chainsword more than powersword for VoC personally

[amber cliff]

ITS DOG SHIT

[pseudo fiber]

That was fast.

[unreal bone]

Nah bjh

Powersword still just goes brrrr

[pseudo fiber]

I know I know

I have a build that uses one haha

[amber cliff]

ragersd

ragers shit on my chest

[last parcel]

[pseudo fiber]

I got chainsword on my VoC, Plasma, Focus target
Then power sword, mk1 infantry auto, executioners stance, marksmans focus

[amber cliff]

ITS DOG SHIT

[last parcel]

[pseudo fiber]

Are you running the chance nor to use ammo on lasguns thing

[amber cliff]

ye

with deadshot

[pseudo fiber]

Can you maybe get the rending on hit thing too

Bahaha

[amber cliff]

got a build to share?

[last parcel]

it shoots too quickly for deadshot to be reasonably useful

unless you're crazy in the coconut

like sneaky

[amber cliff]

oh

[last parcel]

the crit chance from the headhunter blessing is good enough

you'll still struggle with ammo though

[amber cliff]

this weapon is a sin

[last parcel]

indeed it is

[amber cliff]

i mean this dogshot idea is kinda working

it just took 3 stamina curios

[last parcel]

you can also take duck and dive right below infiltrate and the stamina replenishment from focus target's left subnode

you're on the path to becoming a grade a loco coco

[amber cliff]

ITS DOG SHIIIT

[last parcel]

[oblique totem]

I'm currently running those nodes

[thorn dragon]

started using 1 min nades + smoke for the penance. I actually started to really like it.

I don't feel bad spamming them and the 1 min makes it so i never need to take from the world dropds

[amber cliff]

ITS DOG SHIT

[last parcel]

they turned you into swiss cheese

[oblique totem]

Boolets

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tatatattatatatatatattat-gif-94221864463703826

[oblique totem]

• misses every shot

[thick needle]

Does anyone know if Untouchable is still bugged

[jaunty tinsel]

It says with the Headhunter blessing it "stacks 5 times". How/when exactly does it stack?

[sturdy schooner]

hey yall which combat blade do y'all prefer?

[frank ether]

6

[sturdy schooner]

I wanna eventually do a sorta ranger thing with combat blade + revolver but dont know if one combat blade is blatantly better than the other

like mk 4 ps is way better than mk 3

[sturdy schooner]

whys that

[frank ether]

slower

and bit more cleave on heavies

[sturdy schooner]

do they have the same killing potential on elites/big targets?

[amber cliff]

knifes generally have single target moves with big weakpoint damage

so ye

[last parcel]

it adds the stated percentage to your crit chance every time you shoot something in the weak spot, up to 5 stacks

[white minnow]

mk6 sweeping heavies have more cleave and mildly worse single-target damage than the stab heavies though it prob doesn't matter besides breakpoints

[last parcel]

yknow the feel when you bust down the barrel of a lasgun

nothing like the feeling of a hot sear

[sturdy schooner]

you shouldnt be doing that to your poor lasguns...

[amber cliff]

ITS DOG SHIIIIIIIITT

https://tenor.com/2epi.gif

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-grave-peeing-eww-gross-gif-15451150

[frank ether]

oh its the daily recon hate time

Also not to sound rude but why do yall put power blessings on recons

slap headhunter

you need those crit strings

[last parcel]

because there are two blessing slots

[frank ether]

your entire weapon gimmick is getting free ammo from crits and proccing infernus

recon does low enough dps that I think infernus is actually good on it

tho Idk I don't really use mark 2

should probably go do that actually

I'm curious how bad it will be with survivalist nerf

[supple stag]

I refuse to touch shit

[last parcel]

infernus can stack up pretty quick on the 6, but the 2 and 7 shoot slow enough that dumdum does better outside of boss damage

[amber cliff]

Ok so im back to trying the recon again

hopeful;y this wont fail me

https://tenor.com/bDfUv.gif

I hte hadron

[thick needle]

Whoever said that the key to using the Plasma Gun was to just clicking left clicking and not charge
You were right

[oblique totem]

The japanese name

[frank ether]

hmm. Thats probably true, though I'd still want headhunter regardless I think

maybe I'm overrating it but free ammo on crits very very powerful for veteran

I wonder if deadshot could be workable on them

it was pretty much unusable on 6 due to firerate

[trim hemlock]

woo wee

[woven vigil]

So lemme get this straight about the Adept Assassin penance: the kills made with the specialist buff need to be ranged crits too? Or just normal ones should count too so long as the buff is active?

[trim hemlock]

I think it can be both, but ranged crits are much easier to guarantee

[woven vigil]

Because I swear i immediately headshotted a elite/specialist while in 10 stacks and swapping tk revolver and it didnt count

[thick needle]

Needs to be a critical hit headshot while the buff is active

[woven vigil]

Aah so that's why it takes so damn long ugh

Is there any method to speed it up? Even with my crit revolver i got only like 4 of them last match

[thick needle]

• Crit Zarona (made sure to get the perk that gives you ammo on activating WS)
• crit melee weapon (I used a og chainsword)
• run Aurics to ensure that as many elites spawn as possible

[woven vigil]

Yep, running a crit zarona and a knife already

[thick needle]

I also just maxed out my crit chance running a silly build

[woven vigil]

Someone told me mixing it up with the left sharpshooter tree might help up my crit chances too

[woven vigil]

Share build?

Its not silly if it works, right

[tall torrent]

Deadshot + weapon specialist for Zarona revolver
Play reciprocity + desperado on knife

It says crit weakspot kill when weapon specialist is active

Melee specialist (1 ranged kill) lasts 10s

Any crit weakspot kill on specialist & elite during that time counts

[woven vigil]

Aight

[tall torrent]

U can prob go for shock troop gauntlet for more specialist spawns

[thick needle]

It worked for grinding, not for winning missions

Remember you don't need 10 stacks, just need it to be active
Stay in melee constantly, and whip out the Big Iron any time you see an elite

[woven vigil]

Gotcha. So only one stack is enough, and then immediately pop an elite's head

I could probably mix it up with the stealth ability if I need some breathing space to line up my shot, since I am not exactly a great flick shooter

I'll try tho

Thanks for the tips guys!

[thick needle]

If I read the ability right, 4 stack is a guaranteed crit

But with the other bonuses, you're running on like a 60% base chance to crit

[woven vigil]

Nice

I'll make it 4 then just in case

[thick needle]

You miss every shot you don't take (unironically)

As long as you have one stack, pop that fucker

[rigid pilot]

I think the entire challenge was designed around zarona specialist

[untold mulch]

imo, not really, more ammo on a weapon line that struggles with ammo just means more damage, also less hesitation (oh I am kinda low, so gonna melee even if ranged is the correct choice here)

only reason to not want more ammo is if you spend most if not all the mission at 80%+ ammo

[sturdy schooner]

what should I do to this to make it beter

better

I heard uncanny strike is absolute must on both combat blades

though Im getting mixed opinions on the other blessing and perks

[trim hemlock]

It’s not a must, but it helps it big time against Carapace-clad enemies

Maniac is relatively unimpactful from what I learned lately

[thick needle]

Rending is just free damage

[agile forge]

How many Maniacs do you stab anyway

Most of them get shot

[trim hemlock]

Mutants mostly, sometimes flamers and ragers

VERY rarely trappers

[sturdy schooner]

lotta ragers in 5+

[thick needle]

Mutants and Ragers

[supple stag]

Mercy Killer could be okay if you run serrated blade

[sturdy schooner]

its not like ima be meleeing specialists tho so

i figure thatd be the one i'd replace

[supple stag]

idk, I only run knife on zealot

[thick needle]

Typically you want Flak and either Elite or Maniac depending on taste for a melee

Elite also covers Maulers and Crushers, so I like more on chain weapons to make them more can-openery

[trim hemlock]

Maniac doesn’t do nearly enough to warrant using it

UY, Elites, Flak, Carapace and Unarmoured technically do something

[sturdy schooner]

right but im assuming that ill need to replace the blessing to something better

and out of the two perks

specialists seems like the one more likely to go which means ill have to take maniac

so the remaining should be flak then?

[thick needle]

Yeah dump Specialist for Flak and Haymaker for idk

Honestly even Haymaker IV wouldn't be bad

[sturdy schooner]

i heard some folks say precog and finesse strike are also really good

[thick needle]

Those are good