veteran-class

[frank ether]

but if ammo econ was a thing its not gonna beat a zarona or plasma

[bitter turtle]

i'd bump it down to a 6 maybe

[rigid pilot]

Technically yes, aim better

Unless you are already at the level where you don't, which isn't too hard because darktide enemies are quite predictable

[bitter turtle]

if you are missing constnatly

you're not going to have the most elite/special kills

(probably)

[manic cloak]

It does slightly outpace plasma if you use it to mag dump a weak spot into a monstrosity.

[bitter turtle]

what i mean is

[rigid pilot]

But people who complain about ammo issues MIGHT just be missing constantly and having issue

[bitter turtle]

if you are doing well on kills

you literally cant just

outskill th eammo problem

you're gonna have to pick up more

[frank ether]

read my sentence again

I'm talking about ammo value not dps

[bitter turtle]

i agree revolver and plasma are better but i dont really care

everyone knows they are broken guns

like i said, imo its best to compare it to v7

they are very similar actually

and i do think v7 is a better gun

but i think bolter is fine

[manic cloak]

Ammo value is dependent on team comp and how much of the round you spend the percentage with ranged picks and not in melee.

[bitter turtle]

slightly worse, but fine

[wraith flare]

Which was so nice with bolter pre nerf, I could kill anything that moves with 1 shot outside of the biggest bois and have +-0 ammo, rewarding accuracy

[bitter turtle]

yes, and fatshark understandably doesnt want you to ignore the entire ammo mechanic

[wraith flare]

I could do it with the zarona too but bolter beefy sound so good

[bitter turtle]

by going neutral on every kill

because you are not going to be using bolter on hordes

[frank ether]

all this mimimi about survivalist

meanwhile psyker is still a brainlet class

[bitter turtle]

well yeah

ogryn and psyker are for ppl that cant aim

console player class

[wraith flare]

If they cared about us ignoring ammo mechanic I think they would’ve prevented it in Vermintide too

[bitter turtle]

that is why earlier i was saying ppl who think shout is the strongest ability by far are crazy

[amber cliff]

yeah strongest talent is twined blast anyways.

[wraith flare]

I don’t think it’s by far but I’d say it’s the strongest one most of the time and in most situations

[bitter turtle]

"oh u can reduce the cooldown by 6 seconds every time a specialist shows up!"

like zealot isnt spamming crits from BP to lower it by 6 seconds every time they swing their weapon

[normal spruce]

I like to think I'm good at aiming and was planning on playing psyker next, can I still make use of aiming through certain builds that have an advantage over builds that don't? If that makes sense

[bitter turtle]

voc is only super popular because exec is trash on half the guns and infiltrate has an insane amount of tax on it

[frank ether]

I want these nerfs to happen

[bitter turtle]

like

[frank ether]

do you know why I want these things nerfed?

[bitter turtle]

i can actually play

a right side build

as in close and kill and smoke grenade

[amber cliff]

do u use smoke

ok good

[bitter turtle]

and u know what's funny

[amber cliff]

continue

[bitter turtle]

using voc

is = in points

to infiltrate

[grizzled pebble]

Spamming chastise is not as good as spamming shout.

[bitter turtle]

literally switching lanes

[frank ether]

I want veteran nerfed into the ground so bickering rtarded zealots mains can shut the fuck up and cry about something else

[bitter turtle]

while ON the path of infil

is still parity with going to voc

cause taxes

[bitter turtle]

i dont really agree

voc and ctw are very similar abilities

ctw has much better offensive bonuses

if you arent getting hit constantly

[frank ether]

only one of those two lets you get away with shooting your autogun into a crusher's mouth

but yellow toughness is also equally stupid soo

[bitter turtle]

both stagger, both restore toughness
shout gives yellow toughness and a stronger stagger
ctw gives as much aspd as trench fighter+wep specialist (which is basically permanently up because lmao bp), and armor downgrade which turns every enemy in the game into paper

nevermind the guaranteed crit

im not saying shout is bad

but ctw gives you so many offensive bonuses up the ass

you dont even need to worry about getting hit bc everything is dead

i can literally ctw into a pack of ragers swinging my taxe4 like a dumbass and come out on top

[frank ether]

its like a comparission of two of the most busted ults in the game

still not as disgusting as psyker being a thing

[bitter turtle]

yeah

every class has broken shit going on rn tbh

[manic cloak]

Lol imagine being upset at PvE balance and toxic about an entire class that everyone has access to.

[faint beacon]

Reminder CTW is full on Offensive whilst VOC is support based, of course VOC looks brain dead cause it’s whole point is to tether a group together from a sticky situation

[amber cliff]

this mf aint seen assial pre nerf

or sister of thorn

or shade pre nerf

assail*!

[faint beacon]

CTW is just delete anything you remotely don’t like

[bitter turtle]

even if its pve, balance is a real thing

that still matters

[amber cliff]

yes

[bitter turtle]

esp in conjunction with our shitty crafting system

they cant just buff enemies bc it ruins people's weapons lul

thats why every change we get is "what if instead of 5 ragers, 20 ragers!"

cause that's the only number they can change

[faint beacon]

The rager hordes

[manic cloak]

You act like every class can't just roll into auric damnation with subpar builds and still come out fine on the other side.

[faint beacon]

They yearn to be released

[amber cliff]

Im just saying, if it was both scab rager and the other varient

those would work bro

Two armour types

totally.

[untold mulch]

assail at release was massively detrimental at people experience in malice down

Like, I actually began pushing my diff up, so I could avoid them

[frank ether]

it still is

[untold mulch]

damn

[frank ether]

do people think assail is bad now?

[untold mulch]

no clue

[frank ether]

you just pair it with any broken staff

same result

spam shit at general direction of the enemy

[faint beacon]

I’ve seen gunkers run it

[frank ether]

and win game

[faint beacon]

Mainly for Scriers or Disrupt stacks

[untold mulch]

I only remember that playing Malice and seeing a Psyker was quickly turning into a search another group moment

[frank ether]

gunker has to occasionally shoot guns so clearly underpowered

[amber cliff]

I run it when i have no more anyone

[frank ether]

psyker is such a brainlet class that they are given a better version of exe vet and they view it as an unplayable spec

[untold mulch]

never tried scrier gaze tbh

[amber cliff]

CLASS WAR

CLASS WAR

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[untold mulch]

I mean is to be expected, they are brainbursting every day

[faint beacon]

Edging they peril

[untold mulch]

Thats fatshark with me and the fucking hellgun

Why is so karking hard to give it to USSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[faint beacon]

I enjoy running scriers just cause the instantaneous buff on demand is so damn fun

[amber cliff]

https://img.ifunny.co/videos/1f783e383001bb700532334527cc4d66ee632a1cd4785616710e28340aaff02d_1.mp4

[frank ether]

it gives you speed, TDR, damage, crit etc

no reason not to

[untold mulch]

The last 2 seconds always catches me offguard

[amber cliff]

yeah its classic

classic meme

[faint beacon]

I fucking saw it in there

[untold mulch]

memetic hazard

[amber cliff]

i used to collect these

darktide memes

not furry porn

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[frank ether]

suuure

[last parcel]

[untold mulch]

Always funny to hear Vet is the brainlet class, when I can play zealot slamming my face on my keyboard

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA8-mGQ1Tk

this is the bolter swap tech btw

[faint beacon]

Vets the brainlet class?

[bitter turtle]

figured i should just record it if anyone didnt know what i was talking about

[untold mulch]

I have heard it sometimes around the internet

[faint beacon]

Sometimes I feel like I’m fighting for my life even with odds stacked with me

[frank ether]

average vet player kinda is

the amount of plasma vets I have to babysit

[untold mulch]

average any class is a brainlet

[faint beacon]

No offense to our big pals but they very easy to learn

Ogryn is very new player friendly

[frank ether]

I imagine psyker average could be even worse

[amber cliff]

Getting flashbacks to release zealot t hammer

[frank ether]

but psyker skill floor is like

considerably lower

[amber cliff]

Pressing q to ignore stun

[untold mulch]

average Zealot has MC syndrome
average Ogryn is incapable of walking and thinking
average psyker is 100% periling

[amber cliff]

And vets be

AMOOOOOOOing

I need to SMMMOOO

[untold mulch]

Shooting that harmless poxwalker was horde was vital for the class function

🗿

[frank ether]

the funny thing even at auric lobbies I still get psmykers blowing up to peril over and over again sometimes

[amber cliff]

I assume you it’s vital to my power fantasy

[untold mulch]

Honestly, outshooting an entire gunner line, is my vet power fantasy

[faint beacon]

I assume you it was very crucial I mag dumped into a horde of pox walkers to see my funny blessing numbers go up

[untold mulch]

against hordes, my Csword does good enough for the dopamine to go up

[faint beacon]

I’ll say it right now though if we’re comparing the classes

Veteran

Easily the most painful start

When you’re a low level

[supple stag]

Oh yeah

[frank ether]

leveling sure

but leveling is kinda whatever anyway

[manic cloak]

I thought Ogryn was awful without the talents for a build or curios with health/resists.

[supple stag]

Levelling was painful, however once I clocked lvl 30 things started to look better. I love this class now

[untold mulch]

Always loved the class

I bought the game for Veteran gaming

[frank ether]

reach like lvl15 and you're ready for damnation

[faint beacon]

They have a talent that gives em toughness on heavy swing right at the start

That alone makes their start drastically more manageable

[balmy flume]

Commando tree + Powersword = "we do a little bit of trolling"

Running around and beheading gunners feels so good

[manic cloak]

Wasnt a fan of heavy swing spam for the first few hours of gameplay.

[frank ether]

well vet gets toughness regen right at the start now too

[faint beacon]

Me neither

Then you learn

Oh that’s literally Ogryns gimmick

CC from heavy’s

[frank ether]

you have 3 branches for vet and all of them start with toughness regen right at the top

[faint beacon]

I think I know why it’s so painful

[untold mulch]

rn I just need an auto las that doesn't sucks

[faint beacon]

So you get toughness right

[untold mulch]

is nonironically necesary for my enjoyment

[faint beacon]

But you start with low toughness till you get to like

What

Lvl 8?

[manic cloak]

That's the secret. All recon lasguns sucks.

[frank ether]

I mean, thats kinda all classes really

[faint beacon]

So you can finally equip a toughness curio

[untold mulch]

Yeah, thats my point

[frank ether]

you get fudge all toughness without curios and later nodes

[supple stag]

Other classes also suck on toughess amount at start

Vet has what? 100 base toughness?

[manic cloak]

Use a Mk IV infantry las and imagine you aren't having to rapidly click instead.

[supple stag]

Psyker has 60?

[untold mulch]

yeah, the glory days of 200 toughness are over

[faint beacon]

Ogryn iirc has 90

[bitter turtle]

speaking of bolters btw

[untold mulch]

though tbf, with psyker against melee

you only care if you are 100% toughness

or not

[bitter turtle]

how badly did i commit tech heresy

https://i.gyazo.com/ae912868e64f03f02d7e72c57f0e7fdb.jpg

[untold mulch]

and you bleed out toughness regen methods

[frank ether]

delete this

[supple stag]

My Vet usually has around 260~ toughness

[faint beacon]

Looks cool when we don’t look at the fine details lmao

[untold mulch]

There is a mod to avoid it, but IV has shit flak modifier + the bouncy recoil is a pain

[frank ether]

I mean

[supple stag]

Maybe I am stacking too much but oh well

[untold mulch]

Hadron needs to servitor you

[frank ether]

can still reach 200 toughness at least

[bitter turtle]

when i take off the stock on my ciag, everyone goes "but recoil"

[untold mulch]

True

[bitter turtle]

now when I put a stock on my bolter they are nowhere to be seen

[frank ether]

I don't think vets that squishy unless you go the deadshot route

[untold mulch]

you see, if there is no stock, the recoil has nowhere to go, so easier to control

[faint beacon]

Grab onto the mag

And pray

[untold mulch]

Sten method

[faint beacon]

Exactly

[untold mulch]

don't grab the mags

my brothers in christ, where tf were the soldiers supposed to grab otherwise?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/c57182aebc316c845e13b74ed20bf7c5.jpg

doe sit look better without the knick knacks on the side

🤔

[untold mulch]

okay

ngl

I dig it

[faint beacon]

Honest I kinda digged the Knick knacks

[untold mulch]

antimateriel sniper

and cultists are made of materiel

[manic cloak]

It looks way to big of a weapon for a person to be sprinting with for 40 minutes straight.

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause it give off that AT rifle vibe

Also I assume you’re using the extended version

[bitter turtle]

that's why I put them there 😔

[untold mulch]

We are hooked up to the gills in stimms and prayers

[bitter turtle]

you mean the mod?

yeah

[faint beacon]

Or is that just a heavily modified bolter

[bitter turtle]

syn edits and mt stuff

[faint beacon]

Noted

[bitter turtle]

it is a bolter tho

[faint beacon]

Might steal that look if it’s a bolter

Cause I play it like a 50 cal lmao

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/888f04f5d1c086391b3c49b7bb1ebbc0.jpg

yeah

i got inspired to make it because the most recent mt stuff release has single barrel twin stubbers added as a barrel option

[untold mulch]

honestly I used bolter with surgical

as a DMR with STR build

[faint beacon]

How recent I ask cause I think I have it updated

Unsure I’ll check tomorrow

[bitter turtle]

very very recent

but

if you updated within the last week then yeah it should be there

[faint beacon]

You’d be skinned alive by the tech priests if they found out you remade an AT rifle

[last parcel]

oh no daddy kayex don't punish me

[untold mulch]

to the heavy flamer with ye

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-gif-18622447

[untold mulch]

Honestly the Imperial Guard needs more weapon roles

though an AT rifle is kinda dumb in 40k I assume

is either too tanky straight up

or moves so fast that Volume of fire is better

[faint beacon]

Reminder we veterans will purposely overcharge our laser gun packs as DIY Grenades and they’re dangerously effective

[untold mulch]

Is a karking shame

we can't in DT

[faint beacon]

That and you can raise the charge on the laser weapons

[untold mulch]

I made a houserule in the 40k ttrpg I DM, so my players have the option

[faint beacon]

A well trained guardsmen can actually with that hurt a CSM through weak points

But remember this is 40k

[amber cliff]

Bring it back

[faint beacon]

That’s rare

[amber cliff]

BRINNG JT BACK

[untold mulch]

I said since release, it was a hard miss opportunity that Lasguns didn't have variable power settings

[amber cliff]

I just assume our charge level is always on max

[untold mulch]

optimizing the power draw against the target

[faint beacon]

It’s probably on default

Or low

[untold mulch]

or depends on weapon

[faint beacon]

Probably don’t trust the rejects

[untold mulch]

recon in low, MK12 in high

in the end, the variant system is another pain in the ass for that

[faint beacon]

Look I’d think it’d be funny

[untold mulch]

Eh, at level 30 you are an acolyte

you are somewhat trusted

[faint beacon]

If we’d have a laser gun where the special is overcharging a pack and throwing it at the enemy

[amber cliff]

You say that but the most recent writing we got (about Hestia) constantly stayed how we are rejects

Ah wait

U say somewhat

[faint beacon]

Yeah we’re just slightly less complete dead weight cause we serve a purpose for the more normal tasks

Lmao

[untold mulch]

Ngl, kinda L of fatshark

anyways we are not thrown to meaningless deaths, but if mission requires us to die, we die

[bitter turtle]

recent writing has also praised us

slightly

[amber cliff]

Nah the short story is good

[bitter turtle]

like when they mention we're the "among the finest of the warband" when the nobles show up

[amber cliff]

It revealed that Zola actually likes us

[bitter turtle]

in that one midalogue

[untold mulch]

is to be expected

we clean districts

[amber cliff]

Our success rate is exceptional

Is the words Hestia uses

As close as “they are badasse” we gonna get

[faint beacon]

That means either they’re that short of soldiers and they’ll take anything or we serve a purpose

I mean tbf that’s why we’re here

[untold mulch]

I assume canonically our Strike Team is actually kinda cracked

[amber cliff]

Out of the thousands of rejects they recruit. There are 12 who are cracked af. (If you count male and female versions of the same personality as different people)

[untold mulch]

kinda yeah

[manic cloak]

Lol we're inmates with forced service as inquisition grunts that have somehow killed in the tens of thousands.

[untold mulch]

and?

[amber cliff]

That’s badass

[manic cloak]

Kind of cracked is probably an understatement

[untold mulch]

weakest guardsman

[manic cloak]

And still at the end of the day Hadron is like, "here's your bricked 380 rolled weapon, mate."

[untold mulch]

nah thats hadron being an agent of chaos

[amber cliff]

I imagine the numbers we face in game isnt lore accurate

Probably kill a few. Resupply in a room and move on

[manic cloak]

Nah the lore is probably each mission is only done once and not at the scale of enemies we see in the game.

[untold mulch]

still a ludicrous amount

but not 2k in 40min

[amber cliff]

Ye

It’s more

[untold mulch]

[last parcel]

[manic cloak]

My level 1 vet wasn't also taking faceshots from gunners in his potato sack inmate attire and still carrying on either, lol.

[amber cliff]

Bro took face shots

[untold mulch]

smth smth close misses

[manic cloak]

What wouldn't you do to serve the emperor?

[amber cliff]

Back shots at most

But not the face

Can’t handle the disrespect

[manic cloak]

You've seen that character creator. It'd be doing you a favor with those mugs.

[amber cliff]

Imagine the uproar in universe if the incredibly cold vet in the squad finally took off his helmet and was handsome

THATS the lore I want FS

NOT THIS KARNAK SHIT

[normal spruce]

Is there no other good blessings for Zarona Revolver other than Handcannon and Surgical?

[manic cloak]

An absolute stud Kasrkin.

[manic cloak]

The weapon is so good it doesn't even need optimal blessings.

[amber cliff]

Yeah just absolutely dressed tf down

He be like

Seffoni calls me stud muffin in my mind

[untold mulch]

some goblin slayer shit

[last parcel]

i like to imagine that the cutthroat shouts FOR CREED when he throatpies people

[amber cliff]

😭

[manic cloak]

Tell me my boy doesn't have the stud muffin vibes already.

[amber cliff]

Don’t get banned bro ur funny

He’s got a little handsome in em

It’s true

[last parcel]

i'd close kill and do it again daddy

[normal spruce]

Really? I have been trying to get the handcannon, is surgical 3 good enough? What about the second blessing, out of these which one would you pick to go alongsaide surgical 3? Gloryhunter 4, Sustained fire 3, Trickshooter 3, Crucian Roulette 4?

[untold mulch]

CEASE

[last parcel]

THERE IS ONLY WAR

[untold mulch]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/784/131/0c3.gifv

wtf

a link that isn't sent as gif

[amber cliff]

No do another

[amber cliff]

Fell off

[manic cloak]

Truthfully, level 3 blessings are just fine all the way up through auric dam mael with only a few exceptions that you'll even notice a difference or see a change in breakpoints, etc.

[amber cliff]

Give us your darktide pick up line

Imagine the situation gamers

She’s a support smite psyker who you need to carry

How do you slide into the strike team

[manic cloak]

All those options are decent, some will claim meta, but if it pairs well to either lower TTK or balance out weaknesses in your build, it should be good. Too many people stress trying to min/max when it's really unnecessary even at the highest difficulties.

[amber cliff]

Or a dude

[amber cliff]

…I accept that

[untold mulch]

what the fuck

[manic cloak]

modcheck?

lol

[normal spruce]

surely that's not going to get me a ban I will delete it though

[last parcel]

creeper 3 12 engaged

[normal spruce]

This character preset is cute I think

[amber cliff]

I swear that’s one of the only face that works with a black character

[normal spruce]

I agree

[bitter turtle]

not to beat a dead horse from earlier

but genuinely

i dont understand

https://i.gyazo.com/814eeb95861e05129808278647fafd98.jpg

u can kill a lot of shit with bolter and still come out pretty good on ammo

3/2/1 pickups is really not that bad given the number of kills

bolter ammo econ still seems pretty fine to me

[white minnow]

prob people not using it as a dmr i suppose

[bitter turtle]

also man

they were not kidding

about making the bulwark shield hitbox actually accurate

that too

I saw that

https://i.gyazo.com/208012a74cb90a0a56f3ea2710b5893c.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/43e94ef230f9d1a08604c5cbaee1c06b.jpg

you can actually shoot their head peeking out behind their shield lol

[amber cliff]

Yeah I got a down right illegal jump shot on one

Had to alt f4 before FS contacted the authorities

[austere pine]

people over here cheating against bulwarks while bulwarks are cheating against me

ultra instincting my lasgun shots

[bitter turtle]

if you can actually

shoot that tiny head peeking out

in a real game

while its moving

i think you deserve the free hit

[grizzled pebble]

Only thing trauma is good at is bypassing shield.

[austere pine]

trauma god-like staff

[rigid pilot]

Except FS can just push it now

[austere pine]

get a good roll and it can surpass voidstrike with ease

[grizzled pebble]

I heard trauma bad especially blaze trauma. Useless staff knocking things around

[rigid pilot]

Soulblaze bad

Can confirm

[grizzled pebble]

Also it's impossible to get good trauma roll

[late hatch]

Trauma has some great utility with rending too

Knock crushers on their ass

High skill floor to make it work though

[rigid pilot]

Yea holding rmb before clicking lmb? I don't have enough fingers for that

[austere pine]

deceit. ive seen some gucci ones

[normal spruce]

Zarona Revolver is just awesome, I get it now

[austere pine]

zarona is really nice. big dmg, accurate... only need reload speed, which Weapons Specialist's Always prepared subtalent helps greatly with

[grizzled pebble]

[normal spruce]

I should probably go for weapon specialist then, currently I'm using focus target

[grizzled pebble]

Get the ammo back from melee.

So you have unlimited ammo.

[normal spruce]

Yep, definitely, I use melee a lot with Power Sword, seems great

[austere pine]

not unlimited ammo, just puts bullets in yo gun

[normal spruce]

My ammo economy is fine I think, first match with Zarona went great, left ammo for teammates and still never ran out

[last parcel]

you won't regret it

[austere pine]

power sword until melee spec runs out, shoot once or twice into the crowd with your automatically reloaded weapon to get melee specialist back, repeat

[normal spruce]

Good strat

[austere pine]

crucian roulette works well with this for this specific reason

shoot all bullets so when you only gain 1 bullet back, you have giga crit chance for first and only shot

and maximum bullets WS gives you with a revolver is 2, meaning it's still good amount of crit chance bonus

[dense tartan]

I got the immune to range while stamina is over 50% while restoring 30% stamina for avoiding ranged attacks. I love sprinting straight at gunners. Swapping to sword. And chopping them down. It's very satisfying. Also really helped I was playing with a team who all needed ammo all the time, so not shooting and just charging to swap to Melee works well. It also helps get into cover of course.

Also I'm running the speed reload 3 and 10% reload speed. 20% reload speed if bullet in mag, and 30% if killed a special/elite. The gun reloads so fast now I can have ridiculous up time if I want. I feel like it's very flexible.

Now I just need power cycler 4 to make my build perfect.

[agile forge]

Zarona is just Plasma gun but even more extreme

And faster

What melee weapons and grenades do we typically use for weapon spec builds BTW? I guess it's generally very flexible?

[grizzled pebble]

Just craft better.

[hollow warren]

trying to get Surgical IV on the Helbore and Hadron just keeps eating away my plasteel without any results

[agile forge]

I trust you are pleased, varlet

[austere pine]

chain sword, chain axe, combat axe, power sword

grenades dont really matter but i like frags, kraks are nice and im finding my way to smokes slowly but surely

[agile forge]

I plan to build a revolver for it, which is enough to take care of Crushers I guess

So chainsword might be the best pick for me

I have a good mark 4 already

[austere pine]

maybe not smokes actually for ws because youre never getting ranged specialist from inside of a smoke

[hollow warren]

Me: "No, you toaster-fucking cyborg. I give you my hard-earned plasteel and for what? So I can get Surgical III for the 6th billionth time?"

[austere pine]

and maybe not even kraks because frags are a very easy way to get ranged specialist stacks because you get them with grenade damage while wielding the sword

[agile forge]

I'm presently thinking krak too just for speed of crusher killing while still having a backup, but I can see shredders being good too

Also I need a krak build lol

Penances yo

[austere pine]

kraks arent bad depending on weapon choice

[agile forge]

And I'm not sure how else to justify taking them

[austere pine]

im not used to them but they have their merits. i like the bonus horde clear my frag build offered

[hollow warren]

always been using crack

oh wait...

[austere pine]

it aint great

[agile forge]

My thinking is i can take the best hordeclear weapon I can in the chainsword and then I won't miss frags as much

[dense tartan]

I actually rolled power cycler 3 again today. So I'm trying.

[grizzled pebble]

Oh wait for crafting update next year I guess.

[austere pine]

inb4 200 year grind for pc4

[hollow warren]

I mean, depends on your build really. I use krak nades for waves of crushers. for everything else I have my chainsword/chainaxe and my Mk V

[agile forge]

From my zealots experience, zarona is decent for Crushers but not exactly optimal, especially when they are in blob formation

[austere pine]

in the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, people's search for pc4 takes them 10 000 years

[bitter turtle]

make a rashad for horde clear

[midnight mortar]

Just in time for their VT3 announcement.

[agile forge]

Also, VoC or Infiltrate

[bitter turtle]

esp since you are using revolver

[austere pine]

single crusher yes. if there's 2 or more overlapping, you start splitting damage

[agile forge]

You don't wanna know how many dockets I have shat away on trying to do that

[bitter turtle]

aspd boost feels real nice on rashad

[austere pine]

i used infiltrate because being selfish gives you more room to not be a burden to the team

[balmy flume]

They do different things, do you want to be support buffer or sneaky damage DPS

[grizzled pebble]

Being selfish in war

[agile forge]

I like VoC for melee play because it patches up mistakes, but if I have a revolver I think I won't contribute enough to dealing with trash shooters

[bitter turtle]

both patch up mistakes

[austere pine]

infiltrate isnt even so much about the damage. i dont take the node for dmg bonus

[grizzled pebble]

I find that blue stim gives way more damage than red for mk6 p sword

[agile forge]

I haven't tried infiltrate yet but I imagine it is great for dealing with them safely

[bitter turtle]

the difference is

voc is better if you like playing right next to your team constantly

infiltrate is better if you like pushing in on your own

[austere pine]

infiltrate allows you to get close to threats that are far away

[agile forge]

It's the only ability I have never taken

So I guess I should try it

[austere pine]

gunline of gunners? no problemo. infiltrate and whack em melee

[bitter turtle]

take low profile and overwatch

[balmy flume]

What I do with VoC is PSword/Laspistol/Shredders.

Shred nade for Crusher mobs, most other classes have abilities to clear them.

Laspistol for ranged work.

[bitter turtle]

i would also suggest 3x cdr curio perks

[austere pine]

i used to give infiltrate a lot of shit before trying it

by far my favorite build now

you have 2 nigh-invincibilities and toughness refills on hand at all times

[agile forge]

I didn't get it before, but I guess the threat reduction and two charges are the real power on it

[grizzled pebble]

Speed aura stealth melee vet

[balmy flume]

If you tale it with low profile, you can stealth, waltz up into a gunline and hack apart 5 to 6 gunners before they realise you are there

[grizzled pebble]

I only use the basic ability in my build to save point.

[austere pine]

works surprisingly well with frags

[grizzled pebble]

Oh I go all out with smoke too

[agile forge]

Since i can get into the heretic's formation's soft centre and wreak havoc without immediately getting surrounded like a Zealot does

[grizzled pebble]

420 vape it up

[austere pine]

the value is far too great to miss out on

[grizzled pebble]

From what? Double charges?

[agile forge]

Yeah that's the shit I'm interested in

[bitter turtle]

the reason i strongly suggest on overwatch

is because you can be very very aggressive

since you always have a charge to get back to your team

[austere pine]

yes. does it not happen to you that you see yourself not using your ability even though you have it?

[bitter turtle]

low profile lets you wreak havoc on specialists especially

[grizzled pebble]

I am used to zealot 1 charge I guess.

[agile forge]

Yeah, my Zealot suffers from having to quickly CDR another charge to get my breathing space back

[bitter turtle]

trappers will just walk past you trying to get to your team

you can just murder them so nobody even has to try to dodge

[grizzled pebble]

So I only took base ability.

[balmy flume]

This is almost crucial in one of the Carnival Maps (the one where you have to wait for servoskull in the room near start of mission), since gunners spawn everywhere

[austere pine]

because besides giving you 1 more use, it makes tou not waste time on full cds. its always either up fully or up for 1 and 1 reloading

[hollow warren]

I've never noticed this dude and his armor before..huh

[grizzled pebble]

I'd have to remove the value point in weapon specialist to get the 2 charges with my build.

[bitter turtle]

yeah you get more value out of tac awareness since its much less likely you 'waste" those 6 seconds

[agile forge]

2 charges and CDR are an incredible combo. There's a very good reason why pre-13 they were mutually exclusive on Zealot.

[bitter turtle]

i honestly find it critical

[austere pine]

zealot's shroudfield is an attack prep invisibility. infiltrate is for positioning mostly

[balmy flume]

Teaser for potential future updates. Especially since we jear things about Auric Gear now...

[bitter turtle]

to properly play infil

[balmy flume]

Infiltrate also helps with hot zone ressing

[grizzled pebble]

Smoke speed stealth 1 charge and base weapon specialist
https://youtu.be/_4fZ6q0j3C0

[austere pine]

yes. its awesome

or doing the auspex puzzle without getting hit

[balmy flume]

Granted I am still stuck with smoke for penance farming

But after that is done will rethink nades

[austere pine]

fax. pain and suffering

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate can carry most minigames

[grizzled pebble]

Unironically like smoke

[bitter turtle]

like i remember just soloing old hab dreyko sometimes lol

[austere pine]

wearing those pants is going to be a fucking sign to not play with people because they willingly used smokes

[balmy flume]

Oh to be fair, nothing is "wrong" with smoke

[bitter turtle]

same with that mission with 3 safes

you can literally just do all the safes by yourself

[austere pine]

it just feels worse than the other grenades. less reliable

[grizzled pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/vape-nation-gif-18064541

[balmy flume]

But it is just...the AI moves around so much smoke only really is worth in enclosed spaces

[bitter turtle]

its still worse than shredder but the buffs put it above krak imo

[austere pine]

yeah i dunno. i like the certainty of big number from krak more than the posibility of not getting shot at, but its a thing of preference

[agile forge]

I love smoke grenades tbh, it's like a throwable psyker bubble

[austere pine]

nothing will ever top shredder though

[balmy flume]

I would say Smokes are truly Situational (like real life smoke nades)

You want them in tightly enclosed maps (rooms in Carnival/Chasm Logistratum) but in open areas you are just better off killing the enemy

[austere pine]

its nowhere near that good

[bitter turtle]

smokes can help you save precious seconds of infiltrate

[normal spruce]

Should I put a talent point on Exhilirating takedown or Fleeting Fire for Zarona - Power Sword build?

[bitter turtle]

suppose you're under extremely heavy gunfire

you can throw the smoke down and run halfway through first

before you pop inflitrate

[agile forge]

If you have all the killing power you need without the grenade, and if it's more convenient to path through

[austere pine]

what are those two?

[bitter turtle]

its pretty good with the stealth build really

and it offers some team utility on an otherwise very selfish playstyle

well

[agile forge]

I use them on a shovel7/helbore bayonet heavy build

[bitter turtle]

selfish might not be the right word

[austere pine]

these two. what are they?

[agile forge]

With VoC

[bitter turtle]

fleeting fire is pretty bad

on like

99% of builds

id only ever run it on a shotgun build

what other choices do you have

just those two?

[balmy flume]

Actually the patting combo is something to be considered, but it is reliant on the enemy being a pure shooter horde (or at least not too many melee enemies blocking the path)

[bitter turtle]

USUALLY its not hard to maneuver through a horde

but even if the horde is blocking you off

that only saves you more time on infiltrate

[agile forge]

I wish we could see through the smoke better ourselves though

[normal spruce]

Oh, fleeting fire is on the weapon specialist tree, it gives you 20% reload speed for 5 seconds on ranged specialist activation, and the exhilirating takedown gives you 15% toughness and also 10% toughness resist for 8 seconds on ranged weakspot kill and can stack 3 times

[bitter turtle]

sinc eyou can move through teh smoke and start hacking through the horde while you get closer

[balmy flume]

Also, smoke gives a bit of utility for going up a staircase TBF

[normal spruce]

3 not 10

[balmy flume]

Especially if you can't see what is on top of the staircases

[bitter turtle]

unless its really dense its not too hard to maneuver through poxwlakers

[balmy flume]

(Enclavum Baross bridge)

[bitter turtle]

for infil

[bitter turtle]

what does your tree look like right now

[austere pine]

no weapon except shotguns benefit from both always prepared, which you have to take, and fleeting fite

[bitter turtle]

fleeting fire is really weak

[normal spruce]

Not just those two, I will send it to you

[bitter turtle]

the problem is its locked behind taking always prepared

so you dont actually need it unless its a shotgun trying to load special shells lul

[normal spruce]

So you don't need it on Zarona revolver either?

[bitter turtle]

no

just take always prepared

[normal spruce]

Got it

[bitter turtle]

most enemies go down in one bullet

so always prepared will keep you going for a while

[austere pine]

nope. if youre running always prepared, you want to be shooting on low bullet count because you want crucian

[bitter turtle]

only maulers and crushers take 2

[balmy flume]

Am I weird/doing it wrong for running Infil with CIAG?

[bitter turtle]

not really

[austere pine]

and whats stopping you from just hitting em with a melee after 1 shot

[balmy flume]

(Which is what I am doing now for penance farm)

[austere pine]

my first infiltrate build had it

ciag works on anything and any build

[bitter turtle]

ciag with hit & run and dumdum

sounds very strong for infil

[austere pine]

even an ogryn would be able to wield jt

[bitter turtle]

get in close, kill everything near you, become immune to bullets while sh ooting

[austere pine]

terrifying barrage for bullet inmunity

[bitter turtle]

no terrifying meme

hit & run = bunch of shotgunners become harmless

terrifying meme = u die

[agile forge]

CIAG might work on any build but nothing makes it as happy as e stance

[bitter turtle]

this is a revolver build right?

[austere pine]

what melee do you use with that?

[normal spruce]

Yep

[agile forge]

It's just you don't have a survival ability which veteran really needs lmao

[balmy flume]

Just remember to control the recoil lol

[bitter turtle]

good options are

on your toes = 20% toughness every tim eyou swap

as a revolver you swap

a lot

[austere pine]

the stamina in meee specialist activation is really good

[bitter turtle]

or just dip 2 points into Out for Blood

[agile forge]

Controlling recoil costs precious milliseconds that I could be using to get headshots

[bitter turtle]

it honestly did not need to be buffed but its stupid good now

you can even move the 5% health boost minor node under volley adept

into 5% movespeed minor node

on the right side

which is way more useful

tbh im not sure why you need longshot

this is a melee build

when is longshot going to help

[austere pine]

stamina on melee specialist is goated dudes hear me out

[bitter turtle]

it is good

but i dont always take it

usually on mk6 knife

[normal spruce]

Just got it for Volley Adept

[bitter turtle]

lets me get 2 push attacks no matter what

[normal spruce]

But I can change that

[austere pine]

my crucian roulette build takes it

must have

[bitter turtle]

you really dont need reload speed

the way you are supposed to play revolver is

mostly melee

then the moment you see an elite/special

you snipe them

every single thing goes down in 1 bullet

properly built, ragers can even be bodyshot

only crusher/mauler take 2

but since you refund 1 bullet at least no matter what when you swap on weapon specialist

your clip is way bigger than 5, effectively

frankly i'd move the 2 points you took on longshot/volley adept into either Confirmed Kill or Out for Blood

both are good, I prefer OfB personally, but nothing wrong with CK

[normal spruce]

Makes sense, I play like that too, just haven't done with a build like this, so I had to reload

Yep did that

Thanks a lot

[austere pine]

reloading is a noob trap. sincerely, a crucian player

[bitter turtle]

np

[normal spruce]

Have one more to spare, putting that on on your toes, seems to be a good choice as you said

[bitter turtle]

On your Toes or Demo team is my suggestion

both are very nice

if your melee uses push attacks a lot

invigorated (stamina restore on swap) is good too

[austere pine]

if youre using power sword 6, the push attack deals way too much damage to pass up on

and it speeds up your attack downtime

[bitter turtle]

it does but i dont thin kits quite as necessary

you dont usually.. spam it, no?

its not like mk6 knife

u literally just hold down block and spam push attack on mauler/crushers lol

[austere pine]

when getting swarmed, its either that i get hit or i push them away every other attack

[bitter turtle]

if you're being swarmed the strikedowns on push attack are probably even less appealing

[austere pine]

not even talking about the push attack

push in general is necessary

[bitter turtle]

i usually never had stam problems on psword since you're charging every few hits

but

[austere pine]

and i mentioned that the push attack deals a lot of damage if you're hitting one target

[bitter turtle]

feel free to try it if you prefer it

[austere pine]

ive done it because it really feels necessary

[bitter turtle]

@ his build i mean

[austere pine]

on pc3, where your charge doesnt last fkr that long, getting hit means losing your charge

i need food recipes, preferably utilizing chicken breast

[last parcel]

freshest slab of corpse starch there is

[frank monolith]

it looks nurgle active

[last parcel]

pay no heed guardsman

nothing is amiss

[oblique totem]

New corpse starch just dropped, it seems.

[wanton dawn]

God emperor is dead

[normal spruce]

Is bomber damage resistance an in inoffensive perk to have on a 3+ stamina curio, or should I swap out the curio chance perk instead? (76 base stat, thankfully)

[bitter turtle]

id rather ikeep bomber damage

[wanton dawn]

Its pretty meh

[bitter turtle]

curio chance is pretty bad

[wanton dawn]

Curio chance is very meh

[bitter turtle]

its not even a good thing to get a curio instead

[normal spruce]

I heard bomber damage resistance only impacts their kicks and not the grenades themselves? Is that actually true?

[bitter turtle]

nah

well

supposedly that was fixed a while back

idk if it actually is fixed, havent tested

[royal quartz]

Boltgun would be amazing if it had normal equipping time and also sights that you can actually see

smh a perfectly good weapon being kept down because of some minor animations/textures

Fatshark moment

[bitter turtle]

you can circumvent the swap speed

#veteran-class message

[royal quartz]

how

[bitter turtle]

when you swap, have at least 1 bullet missing

then swap -> reload to cancel swap animation -> sprint to cancel reload

[royal quartz]

huhh

That's cool, although sounds sweaty

[bitter turtle]

well

its a thing is all

i dont think its that bad to do

[royal quartz]

also what's that scope on it

[bitter turtle]

that's just weapon customization mod

[royal quartz]

oh

I ought to get that.

Does it have coyote (red dot) sights?

[bitter turtle]

no

unless you count the one on the ilas guns

[normal spruce]

Weapon customization mod is probably allowed though I'm not sure, and yes it has a good amount of sights, there is the accatran reflex sight MIII sight

[trim hemlock]

Wait, what actions are performed there?

And in what order

[bitter turtle]

swap -> reload to cancel the swap animation -> sprint to cancel the reload animation

[trim hemlock]

Ah, I didn’t notice the missing bullet in the mag, that makes sense

[bitter turtle]

i dont bother remembering to leave an empty bullet

honestly you usulaly have at least 1 bullet empty

and if you dont

well whatever

the inputs arent that hard

its just reload into shift

[royal quartz]

FS should just fix the weapon lol

It's such a good weapon aside from swap anim and sights

[trim hemlock]

Uhhh

No

No they shouldn’t

[royal quartz]

Uhhh

yes

They should.

They must.

[trim hemlock]

OK, why should they do that,

[royal quartz]

So the weapon is fun, especially for people who use melee

[trim hemlock]

Because I think these setbacks make the weapon interesting to manage

[royal quartz]

No, it's awful

It ruins the dynamic of the fight

[trim hemlock]

If you could pull it out as quick as a plasma gun (which really should also take longer to take out) or a revolver, then that’s a problem

[royal quartz]

No it's not

It'd be perfectly fine

[trim hemlock]

It doesn’t, not in my view at least. You should wage your space for when you have the opportunity to pull this weapon out, when to back off, etc.

It’s the same setback that makes Helbro lasguns fun to use

[royal quartz]

Nah, it should be quick to swap to

That way you can pull it out in middle of combat after making some space to take down a special

and then continue with the combat flow unbothered

[trim hemlock]

We’re not coming to an agreement in that regard then, so one might just as well agree to disagree

[royal quartz]

It's not a matter of opinion. I'm just right.

look up "bolter swap" (in this Discord)

People aren't using Bolter (as much) because of the swap speed

[trim hemlock]

Why would I do that

[royal quartz]

It'd be more fun and not OP with faster swap speed.

[normal spruce]

Surely you don't need 3 stamina regen perks on curios, if you also have a 3+ stamina curio right? I tried to see how much stamina I had on the psykhanium and I just couldn't run out of stamina unless I spammed block push

[bitter turtle]

just learn the tech if you want the quickswap

[trim hemlock]

Well then maybe it’s their problem with the weapon, not the weapon’s problem lmao

[bitter turtle]

i run 3 stamina regen

but

this is for psword right?

im not gonna lie

[normal spruce]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

i dont understand how someone can run nout of stam on psword

you're just spamming lights and charging

and with weap specialist you should be dodging a lot anyway because the dodges become op

and you pick up stam regen delay

i still like stam regen in general

but i think you can drop it if you really really want something else

[royal quartz]

stam is gold in Darktide

[normal spruce]

True, so should I swap out stam regen or swap out the 3 stamina curio entirely? I also use deadshot

[bitter turtle]

i'd keep the 3 stam curio

i use it on everything personally

deadshot or not

it just gives you a lot more stam to work with

stam regen you can swapif you'd like

[normal spruce]

Makes sense, stam regen is going away then

[bitter turtle]

going back to bolter

i like it having tech tbh

why not just leave it that way

some weapons could have some more mechanical skill to use

and bolter already has tricks like resetting recoil by unadsing

kinda fits too

puny baseline human uses big bolter and needs to have a lot of dexterity to make it less clunky

[white minnow]

at least with the sights, they literally desynchronize from where the shots will go so that should at least be fixed

[royal quartz]

Because it's no fun.

[trim hemlock]

All of the above I agree with

[white minnow]

and no amount of FoV tinkering will fix that issue

[royal quartz]

Bypassing swap anim is skill.
It's just not fun.

[bitter turtle]

some people enjoy weapons that need more mechanical skill

[white minnow]

for the swap speed, it's the bolter so it's just something that's going to have to stick

[bitter turtle]

theres tons of weapons in the game already that appeal to people who want something simple

[royal quartz]

ooooor it could be changed

[white minnow]

sure, but then what is the boltgun

if i want a nice DMR with a faster swap speed, there are some other weapons to go for anyways

[royal quartz]

AoE semiauto.

[bitter turtle]

like

i know its perhaps

confusing to you

but some people like weapons with a bit of clunk to them

[royal quartz]

Yeah, but not explosive nor do they go dakka dakka

[bitter turtle]

are they in the minority? probably yeah

but there is tons of weapons already in the game that are simple and straightforward

[white minnow]

and the clunkiness is also a part of its identity

[bitter turtle]

why turn bolter into another one of them

[royal quartz]

I never said make Bolter simple.
I said make Bolter swap animations not fucking terrible.

[white minnow]

i'm sure there's some debate to be had about the exact time of the swap, but there should be some clunkiness in that

[bitter turtle]

part of the slow swap speed is the complexity

[white minnow]

it's the boltgun after all

[bitter turtle]

you have to understand more deeply when you should be swapping weapons vs something with a fast swap

that or you have to master the mechanical skill involved in skipping the reload animation

[royal quartz]

shittity
It's not complex. It's just annoying.

[bitter turtle]

frankly you have to do both

im just saying, this is how homogenization and dumbing down of gameplay starts

everyone wants all the "jank" removed from their classes/weapons/whatever

devs throw their hands up and make everything easy and samey

[royal quartz]

abuse exploits or stay annoyed
wow great

[trim hemlock]

And even then it’s a minuscule increase in performance, which is fine, you can live without it

[bitter turtle]

combos in fighting games are an "exploit"

not all exploits are bad

[royal quartz]

Not all exploits are bad.
All exploits are exploits.

[bitter turtle]

(originally, combos were a bug in the original SF2 the devs didn't bother fixing)

and if you want to see a game that killed itself by fixing "exploits" just look at GunZ vs GunZ2

[royal quartz]

the weapon is fine, just use the exploit

[bitter turtle]

they removed all the movement and weapon tech that's just like bolter swapping

nobody enjoyed it anymore

you dont have to use the swap tech

its just an option

[eternal venture]

don't forget rocket jumping and pilljumping in quake!!

[royal quartz]

Well, then they should've rebalanced it so it's still viable but not because of exploits.

[bitter turtle]

i dont do it every single time i swap

again, bugs like this can add to gameplay

[trim hemlock]

You can make do without it, and “stay annoyed”, but this discussion has reached an end in which you stop acknowledging anything and play your vinyl on repeat

[bitter turtle]

we literally wouldn't have fighting games without bugs

[trim hemlock]

Go to the forums, make thread about it

[eternal venture]

It really depends on whether the exploit adds mechanical depth and another layer of mastery (sf2 combos, rocket jumping, etc.)

[trim hemlock]

Maybe it will make a difference

[bitter turtle]

yes, and it does here

[eternal venture]

or if it just trivializes the skill required to play the game

[bitter turtle]

its not even particularly complex

[royal quartz]

Oooooor the boltgun could get fixed so all the people who find it annoying would be using it, while people crying about balance wouldn't notice it becoming OP or anything.

[bitter turtle]

but it does punish you for messing it up(you're locked into reload animation)

[eternal venture]

Yeah it's similar to QQ swapping Sienna staves in VT2

or finger rolling bows

[bitter turtle]

not everyone needs to find every single weapon appealing to them

some weapons should appeal to some, and others to others

we have plenty of simplistic weapons already

with very little jank

just use those

[eternal venture]

It's required to play optimally, and it adds skill expression. But you don't need to do it to have fun

[bitter turtle]

like i dont undestand

its literally just boltgun and helbore

you have literally every single other gun in the game to play with if you dont like their playstyle

but you must have ALL the toys right?

[eternal venture]

I'm just surprised Plasma has no swap speed malus

or long holster animation, or anything

[trim hemlock]

It should have some

[eternal venture]

Unironically? Yes

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[eternal venture]

[bitter turtle]

if you want your "big aoe damage mindless left click simulator"

just use plasma

there's no need for boltgun to be another plasma

[eternal venture]

It'd at least force you to commit to the absurdity that is plasma

and that's something cool about the bolter

it's more a tool you commit to for specific situations, like bursting down armored elites, than it is an all-purpose shooty stick

[bitter turtle]

its funny cause this same conversation happens in other games and it fucks up everything when the devs actually try to streamline literally everything

[woeful galleon]

Pretty much, it's basically just a straight line to kill anything, all the discipline about it stands in knowing when to shoot, what to shoot, and when to pull out a shovel to mow through a horde

[bitter turtle]

See; FFXIV

[eternal venture]

oh god

don't get me started on class homogenization

[bitter turtle]

dont worry

[woeful galleon]

And I do use plasma, it's a fun gun, but it is a fairly simple thing to play

[bitter turtle]

i play(ed) dark knight

:^)

[eternal venture]

past tense

good

Was that before or after they buffed warrior

[bitter turtle]

got my job memed into purple warrior because WAAAH I DONT LIKE IT

[eternal venture]

[bitter turtle]

that was since it was released

[eternal venture]

Heavensward DRK was so cool

[bitter turtle]

dropped it in ShB

[eternal venture]

I miss HW drk...

[bitter turtle]

StB DRK is my favorite

[eternal venture]

yeah I don't blame you

I'm sad I missed stormblood

[bitter turtle]

HW is good too

anything but the garbage we have now really

[eternal venture]

it had my favorite savages, it introduced ults

it had a ton of ff5 and 6 references

[bitter turtle]

people remember StB for being weak on story

and it kinda was messy

but the gameplay was the peak of XIV tbh

[eternal venture]

And it was the last game where classes had distinct identities

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ya

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Oh man, if StB story is messy

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too bad they've actually gone on record and said

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Then what the fuck is EW

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they are never going back to HW/StB job design

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I've accepted that fate

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instead we get

colored lego 1 button jobs like nuSMN

no jank :^)

easy to use :^)

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BLM is the only class left who can really move around their rotation and burst

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Veteran guide says elite and maniac for zarona perks, this should suffice too, maybe?

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reworked summoner is an abomination

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elite and maniac are very specifically used to 2 shot crushers and 1-bodyshot ragers

you need elite or carapace to hit 2shot breakpoint for crushers

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I'm curious to see what the golden baha they seem to be getting is like

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flak is sadly rather useless

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Unarmoured?

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lets be real

what unarmored enemy

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But I'm probably just playing BRD/MNK again in DT

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are you possibly shooting

that does not die in 1 hit without the perk

idk if im getting DT

i feel satisfied with the story ending in EW

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Lol true

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i did some of the post patch stuff but then unsubbed

it really just was not interesting

maybe ill try DT when it goes on sale or somethin gidk

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Though I switched to dnc during asphodelos

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oh yeah, that's also what made me drop it

the game i mean

i was raiding with PLD

then they reworked PLD to be another generic 2 min burster

i was literally orange parse on week 1 doing pugs kek

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I did DSR and TOP, finished the savages, finished all of the savage dungeons

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These acronyms lol

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And now I’m taking a break while thinking about whether I even want to play DT

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Which game is DT?

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Dawntrail

not darktide lel

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God parsing got so stupid in Abyssos (as if it wasn’t already boring in Endwalker before)

Nearly every fight had a cursed kt, so someone would have to sandbag each pull

just awful stuff

TOP might actually have burned out the raiding community

God I hate that ult

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lol

my friend stuck with the game

the ultimates this expac made her quit the game after she finished

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DSR was linear but cool since it was meant to tell a story

TOP was meant to be as annoying as possible

It took my static five months to clear top because tanks kept leaving to get paid clears every time we got to p6

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lel

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And then we’d have to trial new tanks all over again

god that was awful

It’s so funny

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i havent done ultis since UCOB/UWU back in stb

shb was during the period iw as living and working in japan

so my ping was fucked and i was busy so i didnt feel it

and EW just made me quit the game postpatch

also never had any good experiences with statics

starting from gordias

when i was new to the game

the first static i was in could not pass fucking faust

i thought it was maybe my fault since idk anything back then

and my static in stb were pretty good players but uh

they were conservative transphobes that constantly went off on that shit during vc

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When TOP dropped, everyone praised it for how hard it was and would jump down your throat if you criticized it. Now, a year later, everyone is complaining about what I complained about back when top launched (strict and precise mechs, body checks at every corner)

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just kinda done

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Yeah don’t suffer that shit

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yeah

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Also Cob is still the coolest ult

TEA BJCC is neat too

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TEA looked cool

just didnt have time durinng ShB

i always liked brute justice so more mecha combos was cool visually at least

i really miss alexander

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They really encompass everything I think an ultimate should be: complex puzzles with MANY ways to solve them. I still see people come up with new ways to solve hatches

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tbh

i miss having weird shit like the potion pools or having to dance around a giant metal ball or a 4 boss gauntlet taking a stage

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Like, the skill expression should be that you can recover a bad pull with good mechanical knowledge

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everything is so goddamn streamlined

now

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Or the fucking gorilla bombs

Imagine if we had A5S today

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😔

yeah

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“Guys can we wipe, I got gorilla”

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thats the potion pool i mentioned lul

i really liked that mechanic

fun stuff