veteran-class

[balmy flume]

So sadly right now Vet roles are pretty much Sniper/Officer/Commando
And the latter two offer comparatively more utility compared to the first.

[untold mulch]

autogun? I sleep 🗿

[balmy flume]

True, headhunter autoguns are as close as we have right now.

[agile forge]

CIAG too

[topaz lance]

Exe is actually best with columns IAG

[agile forge]

ES works really well on it

Because it also tightens your spread a lot

[topaz lance]

Dunno if that's intended

[agile forge]

And CIAG Finesse multipliers are really good

[topaz lance]

but full auto weapons are great with it generally

[untold mulch]

I could snipe with brauto and exec stance

[balmy flume]

I should probably get around to building an Exec stance layout as well

[topaz lance]

I also like agri shotty exe stance

though it's not that powerfull

it's fun(tm)

[agile forge]

I can share you my crazy bullshit one if you like

[balmy flume]

…come to think of it Exec Stance is right below Shredder, if I do so I would get another node point refunded compared to VoC

[oblique totem]

Exec stance requires a ton of investment and is highly situational. I'd only use it once or twice a mission (without trading my life for it.)

[balmy flume]

Fair, AFAIK it depends on there being lots of specials and shooting mooks for you to shoot at for toughness regen.

[oblique totem]

The other two you can pop as soon as they're ready without much loss

[topaz lance]

You need to learn about positioning yourself with it

ALso keep in mind that one feature is that as soon as you use it, it spawns a bruiser behind you

it's built in

[oblique totem]

Positioning is absolutely critical

[agile forge]

Imo turn it on like all the time

[balmy flume]

(And also having smart enough teammates to semi cover your backside when you focus in)

[agile forge]

It's for killing plain shooters too

Just be prepared to drop stance when you have to

It's why I don't like it on breakpointy weapons

[oblique totem]

Yeah but my teams are random so, it's a gamble Everytime

[topaz lance]

most fun I have with it is in rooms full of little guy shooters. Nothing like keeping it up for 2 minutes 😄

[oblique totem]

With the ranged enemy node, it basically highlights half the room

[balmy flume]

So exec stance positioning, what are some pointers you would give?

[oblique totem]

Which is super useful

[balmy flume]

Aside from “not being at front of squad” probably?

[oblique totem]

In front is suboptimal positioning

Even I know that

[topaz lance]

Might be worth it to try different combinations of the thoughness regen nodes you have available to see which fits your style

exhil takedown etc.

[agile forge]

Be mobile.

Even with MF

[topaz lance]

learn how to dodge while still shooting

[agile forge]

Remember you get 6s of movement now after a weakspot kill

And be prepared to drop ES or MF stacks when you have to

[oblique totem]

Wait you can move with it?

[balmy flume]

Interesting…might end up sticking with me Laspistol if movement is still key.

[agile forge]

You don't have to be hypermobile

Just don't grow roots

[balmy flume]

(Even as VoC user I do have a tendency to “strafe” shots against shotties/snipers anyways)

Probably helps I have always been more committed to the “Tag for bonus damage” middle keystone.

[topaz lance]

invest in curios with gunner res, toughness in general is good

so you can tank some shots

[oblique totem]

Strafing whilst shooting is also becoming a habit of mine

[bitter turtle]

tbh

outside of specific guns

[agile forge]

Yeah, remember that ES also nullifies suppression

[bitter turtle]

i think exec is not very good

so many guns can hit their own bp that i dont really see the point

[agile forge]

Yeah, we know. It's fun as hell though and finding ways to make it work is good

[oblique totem]

Isn't there a node specifically to negate suppression?

[agile forge]

Especially since there are penances now

[bitter turtle]

yes

suppression immunity is on determiend

[agile forge]

Yes, but ES can do it too

[bitter turtle]

dont take on laspistol

laspistol is already suppression immune by default

[agile forge]

And also some weapons are innately immune

Like laspistol and plasma

[balmy flume]

Exec does help in low light environments TBH

[agile forge]

Imo ES is most worth it when you benefit from every single part of it

[pallid jetty]

so many fucking degenerates join auric missions to get penances, i fucking cant man

[balmy flume]

And always great to see that asshat Mauler waiting behind a door.

[agile forge]

Hence why I recommend CIAG

[trim hemlock]

Immune as in, outright immune, or is the suppression effect so minuscule it’s very hard to notice?

[balmy flume]

I think it is more accurate to say “players not ready for Aurics joining for penances”

[bitter turtle]

outrihgt immiune

[agile forge]

It's not breakpointy, it has good weakspot damage, it gets suppressed, it reloads fast enough to maintain uptime

[bitter turtle]

some guns just are straight up immune

[trim hemlock]

[agile forge]

It has a bit of spread that ES compensates

[bitter turtle]

laspistol, plasma, helbore

[trim hemlock]

That doesn’t seem right

[balmy flume]

Actually why I took Laspistol, is like having an extra node point lol

[trim hemlock]

Why does laspistol have access to the uhhhh

[bitter turtle]

why?

[agile forge]

It's strong antishooter, which ES capitalises on

[trim hemlock]

Between The Eyes blessing

[bitter turtle]

because lmao fatshark

[agile forge]

Because dumb.

[trim hemlock]

It’s fundamental anti-player mechanics, that’s why

[agile forge]

Every type of build is AM viable

So long as it isn't built like an idiot

[trim hemlock]

IDK, I feel like laspistol shouldn’t be outright immune to suppression

[pallid jetty]

they are built like an idiot, and the play like idiots

[balmy flume]

Minor correction: so long as they don’t play like idiots.

[trim hemlock]

Suffer small effects? Sure, but not immune

[agile forge]

If people wanna do backstabs and smoke grenade penances on AM then go for it, just play them well

[agile forge]

Laspistol has a built in gyroscope or something lmao

[balmy flume]

My worst Auric Maelstrom experience (which ended my first deathless streak) was when someone started the Archivum Sychorax elevator sequence when hound packs spawn SFX played

[bitter turtle]

if you dont believe me

try it in game

there is 0 effect from being shot at by gunners on aim

outside of the hitstun

[trim hemlock]

Yes, and adrenaline injectors to make the user susceptible to playing out cool shooting action scenes

[bitter turtle]

your shots adsing still go perfectly in the middle

[agile forge]

He was talking about ought, not is

[trim hemlock]

Oh I do, it’s not that, I use laspistol frequently on Psyker

[agile forge]

But tbh I like there being some weapons immune to suppress

[trim hemlock]

It just feels off the gun doesn’t suffer no significant effects from suppression, in your view at least (empirically I can at least say that I concur)

But I wonder how that works on a technical level

[bitter turtle]

its becaus elaspistols belong to commanding officers

[agile forge]

I guess it's a 1-hander or something

[bitter turtle]

so you dont get suppressed because the fantasy of the gun is that you're like a commisar or someshit

[agile forge]

But plasma being immune I don't get

[bitter turtle]

plasma because they want it to be easy

probably

idk

i made that up

i can imagine they probably didnt want plasma shots to veer wildly off course

since

[balmy flume]

Plasma/Boltgun are too heavy (flinching doesn’t move them much), pistols are too light (easier to keep steady)
Not sure why the Hellbores though.

[bitter turtle]

their design is supposed to be

"you're supposed to charge them!"

notice how helbores, another charging gun, also dont get suppressed

i think maybe they thought it would be frustrating to charge and then it misses befcause a gunner started shooting you

[balmy flume]

Probably out of fairness principle then.

[agile forge]

It's machine spirit fuckery

DT version of "a wizard did it"

[bitter turtle]

that's my guess at least

since the only thing hb and plasma share is the charging mechanic

and outside of laspistol muh lore fantasy commisar larp

they're the only other ones that get the benefit

[balmy flume]

I mean considering the actual Machine Spirit is potentially a ||Xenos C’tan on Mars||
… (minor spoiler for main 40k lore)

[oblique totem]

I wish hellbore had better sights

[agile forge]

OmNiSsIaH bE pRaIsEd

[oblique totem]

I'd settle for the little reflex sight

[bitter turtle]

just download weapon customization mod

[agile forge]

The trick is it's meant to be a close-midrange gun

It having a bad sight is intended imo

[balmy flume]

I am an admitted fan of the ACOGs on Laspistol/Kantraels

[agile forge]

But yeah if it bothers you that much mod it

Kantraels are meant as the long range version

[oblique totem]

Thanks I hate it

[agile forge]

Helbore is meant to fuck elites in the face

[oblique totem]

And it does that very well

[agile forge]

Just don't kid yourself into thinking that modding a better scope onto it isn't giving yourself an objective advantage

[oblique totem]

What's the general consensus on recon lasguns?

[bitter turtle]

oh no

my street cred in darktide

[agile forge]

I'm not shitting on modding it

[balmy flume]

Recons are…actually I lost track too

Is it good or bad nowadays?

[bitter turtle]

mostly bad

[agile forge]

And I'm not saying it makes it better than some vanilla OP picks either

The 6d is usable but not great

Some psychopaths do pretty well with it

[oblique totem]

I tried it and

[agile forge]

If you like them, use that one imo

[oblique totem]

It did not go well

[agile forge]

The 2 is absolutely worthless

The 7a idk

[bitter turtle]

the 7, I've become inclined to say, is the best one

[oblique totem]

It was the one with torrent, which I think is 6d?

[bitter turtle]

but i've talked about why earlier

[agile forge]

Depends on what you want from them I think

[bitter turtle]

also its my experience playing it and playing with someone a while back in this chat in a 4 premade because he wanted to prove he could keep up with the 7

which he did, for the most part

[agile forge]

7a innately is slightly better than elites etc but 6d gets some funky talent benefits

[bitter turtle]

the only benefits are

infernus, which is ok on 6d, but just use dumdum on 7

and onslaught, whcih is a trap

its 4 pts to kill crushers faster and nothing else

[oblique totem]

Nothing else?

[bitter turtle]

the 6d has half as much damage, but fires twice as fast as the 7, basically

so the main benefit is activating on-hit effects more frequently

[agile forge]

7a consumes 2 per shot too

[bitter turtle]

yes

but the 7a has some degree of cleave

so while, on a single target, they basically have parity

[untold mulch]

minimal, but it has some

[bitter turtle]

the 7a ends up saving more ammo

since you can shoot through poxes to get to your target

which

i know it sounds lik enothing

but playing it

it actually helps

not having to chew through ane ntire horde of poxes with 6d to hit the trapper coming from behind them

[untold mulch]

VIIa with deadshot? 🤔

[bitter turtle]

that's another thing

you could try it

[untold mulch]

VId can't because of RoF

[bitter turtle]

its definitely more usable with it than the 6

i dont though

but its an idea

my tree is already stretched too thin

[untold mulch]

maybe with Shocktrooper, headhunter and deadshot, VIIa can be decently ammo efficient

[oblique totem]

Ammo efficiency was the main problem with me, time to kill felt way too long and I swore only about half of my shots actually did any damage

[untold mulch]

yeah

thats Recon in a nutshell

[oblique totem]

I'm certain there's a build that mitigates that but I haven't figured it out yet

[untold mulch]

basically most builds for guns and all are to buff their stuff

Recon the builds are to mitigate the dumbshit

For its performance it acts like its ammo efficient as hell

but is nowhere close efficient

[oblique totem]

Exactly. Pretty much every other gun I've tried is more ammo efficient

[untold mulch]

If it had atleast ammo for a constnat "Can I afford to shoot now? Hell yeah of course" it would have a real use

you are still gonna get overwhelmed by piss poor dps but hey, you got ammo to shoot

[oblique totem]

It feels like it was supposed to be the high volume/cheap ammo gun but instead got the worst of both

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

Also gets no recoil, so you think oh it wants me to do headshots?

and then has 1.4x finesse because

Is a line of guns that do Everything badly, and Fatshark just forgot about it and never bothered

[agile forge]

Of course the other problem with recons is the same as the problem with headhunters

The biggest priority of targets to shoot are maniacs

So any ranged which doesn't perform well vs Maniacs is suspect automatically

[untold mulch]

Get wrecked by Ragers

[oblique totem]

Yeah I forgot the headshot thing

[untold mulch]

Is easy to forget

But that, it doesn't shines anywhere like is instantly spottable on paper

sooo, I have no fucking clue what the balance team is doing

scratching their assess? I guess?

[agile forge]

And it's such a pity, because, as the armies of recon users illustrate, recon lasguns are cool as shit

[oblique totem]

No recoil, my brain goes: "Oh, this is perfect for burning down weak points" but then it's not

[agile forge]

Laser shower is aesthetically lit as fuck

[untold mulch]

Full auto laser? Is a dope weapon

[untold mulch]

Exactly

is constnatly nerfed in every part wehre it should be good

[trail totem]

how do i improve this

[untold mulch]

Oof, maybe change infested for flak/maniac and Between the Eyes for maybe ghost?

Infested I think is only poxwalkers?

[oblique totem]

True.

[trail totem]

and dogs yeah

[untold mulch]

and you shouldn't be shooting it with laspistol

and Between the Eyes is just worthless imo to a laspistol

[oblique totem]

4 vets with recon lasguns is a Rave

[trim hemlock]

And poxbursters

[trail totem]

well no shit

its a fresh craft

[untold mulch]

FR I got it once

It was so silly

loved it

also epilepsy warning

[tiny summit]

Well it actually makes sense balance wise that per bullet for a low recoil weapon to have lower finesse because it's easier to have a stream of weakspot hits. The problem is compared to their competition, it doesn't keep up or worth a shit. Balance wise you wouldn't make the super constant headshotter be super high headshot dmg as the low recoil is supposed to guarantee headshots

[oblique totem]

Best on poorly lit maps

[untold mulch]

In the end is that as a whole

Recon is done by someone who doesn't play the game

Like yeah, oh a constant free headshotter shouldn't have a big headshot buff

but then what should it do?

[sturdy crow]

lol, just did an auric maelstrom with only vets

[untold mulch]

shoot a lot? got no ammo for that

[sturdy crow]

easiest auric maelstrom I ever did

[untold mulch]

damage? it has close to lowest damage in game

[oblique totem]

Guard gets it done!

[untold mulch]

Accatran line feels like it was balanced by the meme opinion of an Space Marine writer powerscaler

[tiny summit]

More of a question of the overall weapon balance of the game and its base dmg.

[untold mulch]

is fun

[sturdy crow]

constant yellow toughness, no ammo problems, ranged enemies died before they could even see us

[oblique totem]

Recon only on that map where you move the trains to go forward. Dark and cool lighting would be a great contrast to the flashing red lights. Have the whole squad drop acid and run on in.

[tiny summit]

Also doesn't help that recon's dmg modifiers against all the armor types were gutted.

[untold mulch]

that panic nerf is so funny now with time

get crit gutted, modifier gutted, synergy with talents

[oblique totem]

Panic nerf. Great way of saying that

[untold mulch]

irt was 100% a panic nerf patch 13-14

a little more and they would have flat out halved the damage and its mag

[balmy flume]

If there happens to be multiple Voice of Commands…it really is just going through with health bars almost never depleting,

[left crag]

does hadron likes me?

up from profane

[lyric dock]

Not really

That be a nice brick you have there

[late hatch]

laspistols have built in suppression immunity, between the eyes is absolutely a dead blessing. Infested is useless as you shouldnt be shooting infested enemies. Swap it for maniac or flak and then put on ghost or infernus

[lyric dock]

Will also note Las pistols have a inherit 15% base crit chance

[late hatch]

good to pull sunder from

[lyric dock]

So +Crit chance is something to consider on Laspistols

[tiny summit]

I mean you can. I also find laspistol crits enough. I wouldn't call it a bad perk on it

[lyric dock]

It's not a bad perk at all. It is something to consider Can't say no to more chances at free ammo with Shock trooper

[tiny summit]

I like running Infil MF Laspistol

[late hatch]

This is one of my mk10s, I have several with slight variations

[tiny summit]

Does that thing even shoot fast enough for burn stacks?

[lyric dock]

Shoots decently fast with Fullauto

[idle swallow]

Definitely not

[lyric dock]

But that is with a mod so YMMV

[late hatch]

Burn is slightly suboptimal, you can use dumdum instead, but I like the burn, it often finishes up enemies and helps with bosses

and you dont have to worry about close range

[lyric dock]

If a weapon has Dumdum

You Really want to run dumdum on it

[untold mulch]

I believe dum dum affects all range

unless it was fixed recently

[late hatch]

says close

[tiny summit]

I like that laspistol mk with agile engagement and ws. Serves the purpose of quick swapping to revolver for instant bomber/sniper/trapper deletion

[untold mulch]

It says

what it does are two different things

[tiny summit]

Fatshark coding. People found last time it works at all ranges

[untold mulch]

fatshark do be fatshark

[late hatch]

yeah half of the tooltips are inaccurate or incomplete so eh

[untold mulch]

bvut that, unless fixed this last 2 patches

DumDum works always

[lyric dock]

This is mine (Note: +Crit damage was before I learned just how bad it really was)

[late hatch]

Still a pretty decent weapon

nice stats

[untold mulch]

biggest problem of Laspistol X is that it has some not great breakpoints

[tiny summit]

A 380 with crit dmg. Someone's heart sank

[lyric dock]

Has served me quite well

And Not in the mood to even attempt to make a new one and deal with RNG known as Hadron

[tiny summit]

But it does work well with agile engagement and weapon specialist. It'll 1 tap problem enemies like bombers/snipers/trappers

[late hatch]

Pray for the crafting rework to come soon and bring a way to remove locks

[untold mulch]

hmmm

nice

[agile forge]

What the fuck lmao

I never even knew

[untold mulch]

FATSHARK CODING

[lyric dock]

Just removing locks would be huge

[untold mulch]

I expect it late and to fix nothing

[agile forge]

No wonder why it actually feels great

[untold mulch]

too burned up with the shark

I onyl stay in the server becuase the local fauna here is amusing

[lyric dock]

This is why I swapped over to playing other games like Helldivers for the time period

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I am with HD2, finishing some SP games, Star Citizen

[balmy flume]

Imagine being able to optimise your weapon base stats to 380 with mats if it is any less.
Like Division 2.
But we probably not gonna get that anytime soon..

[untold mulch]

I would be surprised if it arrives earlier than october

Fatshark design process is a mess that doesn't works

Hearing stories of VT2, is obvious that each team is doing whatever the fuck it wants and no one is communicating

[agile forge]

That would instantly make the locks fine imo

Make our gear like the FFXIV relic weapons

[wanton dawn]

Dumdum does not "work always"

It stacks always but only applies close range dmg buff

[untold mulch]

Huh? Really?

[wanton dawn]

Test in psy

Spaghetti can change each patch

[untold mulch]

Damn

[vague smelt]

What would be the best way to do this penance

[untold mulch]

Revolver or plasma?

[vague smelt]

Oh you're right

No wait

[late hatch]

laspistol probs. melee, quick switch to ranged and shoot some heads

[vague smelt]

Crit weakspot

[untold mulch]

Revolver then

[untold mulch]

depènds on how it counts as active

[wanton dawn]

Ciag deadshot with exe stance

[untold mulch]

if it counts the full 5 seconds, pistol I see

[wanton dawn]

Assassin ?

[untold mulch]

still, revolver is basically guaranteed crit

[wanton dawn]

Plasma definitely

[vague smelt]

As crit weakspot?

[untold mulch]

You can aim at heads anyways

[vague smelt]

How big is the bullet from plasma

[untold mulch]

Big

[vague smelt]

And it counts as weakspot

[untold mulch]

though I would use the Revolver

personally

[vague smelt]

I mean plasma pierces throw

[wanton dawn]

Plasma has get hot

So even with low stacks and hipfire crit rate is great

[vague smelt]

Ok looks easier with Plasma

just get 3 stacks of Specialist and just aim head with plasma

so glad it's 250

and not 500

[balmy flume]

Oh just a heads up.
Relic collection guides are starting to appear on YouTube, so if you want your relic penances you could look it up now.

I am going to collect relics on Sedition because I cannot be arsed to solve puzzles under Damnation background survival stress

[hollow rivet]

Tips for Vet melee besides Power Sword? (Don't have the blessing that makes it good yet)
I've been running the Rashad Mk2 axe but it's slow and I'm having trouble just staying on top of hordes with it

[agile forge]

Shovel 7 is also great but also a bit difficult to build

[supple stag]

Rashad needs brutal momentum

[agile forge]

Chainsword IV is great for anything that isn't a Crusher

[supple stag]

Chainaxe XII is also alright

[hollow rivet]

I'll check them out, thanks for the tips

[agile forge]

Also 4 important damage stats, a power blessing, and good perks

Rashad is hard to build

[agile forge]

Also if you have power Cycler 3 at least, that's good enough for power sword 6

[supple stag]

It was +flak and +unarmoured with headtaker?

[agile forge]

Iirc yes

[supple stag]

Or am I schizo

Fair

[agile forge]

Gotta hit the breakpoints on bruisers

[supple stag]

Real

Chainsword IV is okay if you don't mind heavy spam

[agile forge]

I think there's a combo which is slightly better too

HHLH loop or HLLH loop

If you wanna be fancy

[supple stag]

But I am not fan of chainswords in general. I tend to engage 90% of foes with melee, ragers and crushers are bane of my existance

[agile forge]

If I take it, my ranged will be a plasma or similar

[hollow rivet]

Honestly I'm just leveling Vet for the 4 rejects at 30 penance for now, and I'm really struggling with low levels in Heresy

[supple stag]

If you struggle on heresy, return to malice, nothing wrong with that

[hollow rivet]

I got a Chainsword so I can hold my own a bit better at least

[hollow rivet]

I'm high enough level already at 22, it's the level 11s, sometimes multiple in 1 team, that are the issue

[supple stag]

What your talent setup looks like?

If you struggle on Vet, try playing with Voice of Command ult, your life will be easier that way

[hollow rivet]

It's a mess honestly

Just taking the solution to whatever I'm struggling with rn

[agile forge]

What's your ranged?

[supple stag]

There's no need for grenade tinkerer if you run kraks imo, on the way to survivalist take the right talent, not left for better survivability

[agile forge]

I heard that kraks don't kill bulwarks without it now

[supple stag]

???

[agile forge]

Since the bulwark HP buff

[supple stag]

I kill them without issues on Damnation

Idk what you're on

[agile forge]

I don't use krak, just repeating ehat i heard

That's good news

[supple stag]

They still kill them just fine

Bulwarks are easier to kill anyways now

[hollow rivet]

I want to grab this next, since I'm massively struggling with ammo when there are low levels in the team (wasting 70% of an ammo backpack while I have less than a mag )

[supple stag]

I'd suggest melee'ing more if you struggle with ammo. Save ranged for disablers

Hordes crumble under chainsword

[hollow rivet]

Last game I had really bad gunner spam which ate up most of my ammo

[supple stag]

Hit heads, Lasguns live on that

[agile forge]

Infantry lasguns are very efficient

[hollow rivet]

And yeah meleeing wasn't really working on hordes either which is why I asked that question earlier in the first place

[supple stag]

Chainsword will deal decently well with hordes, at least IV will

XIIIg is kind of weird, don't like it myself

[rigid pilot]

make sure you get some cleave blessing though

[hollow rivet]

Yeah I somewhat remember using it on Zealot while leveling that one

[supple stag]

Wrath is okay for chainsword

Make sure to dodge during horde fights

[hollow rivet]

Yeah I have a 30+80 or so Psyker and a 30+8ish Zealot, I have a good grasp of the game, just not familiar with Vet gear and talents

[supple stag]

I usually go for more right side of the talent tree, under infiltrate, to grab some melee perks, trench fighter drill and such

Makes meleeing so much more rewarding

And fun

[balmy flume]

When you have the Ordo Dockets, you would want to grab a Lasgun with better crucial base stats too (damage, Stopping power and stability). Those 3 stats are now at around 60 ish when they could be hitting 70+ (maxes out at 80)
The other two are less critical (but you still want mobility at 51+)

Blessings, try to go for level 3 or 4.
Admittedly will take quite a bit of Hadron/Brunt roulette to get the gear right (or lucky loot from Emp’s gift)

[hollow rivet]

Oh yeah, I'm still only level 22 so most of my stats and blessings are meh

[balmy flume]

Ah ok ye

[trim hemlock]

Well, you have to have either Grenade Tinkerer or some other power buff to kill them now

[supple stag]

Odd

[rigid pilot]

does it matter where the krak lands

[trim hemlock]

Kraks do 4K damage to Unyielding baseline

And Bulwarks currently have 4,8K HP

[supple stag]

Oh I run bring them down for almost all of my builds

[frank monolith]

i run knife and i dont have ammo issue since i can run at the ammo pack faster then the other people

[supple stag]

Maybe that's why I haven't noticed a difference

[balmy flume]

Actually I think if you have the “tag target for bonus damage” keystone it affects Krak too if you throw it at a highlighted target?

[trim hemlock]

it shouldn't, the damage is applied to base health type of the affected enemy as far as I can tell, so as long as the epicentre radius reaches the target, it will be damaged/killed

[rigid pilot]

you need 20% extra damage

i dont think tag gives that unless you combine max tag with max damage buff

[supple stag]

You can grab one funny talent, under iron will column

[trim hemlock]

Bring them Down probably will do it

[balmy flume]

I run +Ogryn Damage alongside the Tag keystone, so maybe that is why when I used Krak it still OHKO Crushers.

[trim hemlock]

Albeit Grenade Tinkerer is "more easily" reachable, unless you're going for Focus Target keystone anyway

[rigid pilot]

krak will ohko crushers regardless

[supple stag]

I run it for all the builds, just out of habit

Bring them down I mean

Once I am home, back to farming armorbane

Last penance and Vet is complete, even Marksman Focus penance took me faster than that

[vague smelt]

Marksman Focus is a slow penance xd

[supple stag]

Crab Stance with Power Sword, 5 games and done

[trim hemlock]

It’s a reasonably fast penance with an appropriate build

[vague smelt]

Tell me an appropriate build

[trim hemlock]

I got 404/2500 kills in the span of one game by using Manstopper Lawbringer shotty

[vague smelt]

because I really don't know

By using what

[supple stag]

I was power swording, getting 500 kills on average per game

[trim hemlock]

Lawbringer combat shotgun

[rigid pilot]

wow lawbringer

[trim hemlock]

With Manstopper blessing

Big spread - big amount of heads popped at the same time

[rigid pilot]

bleed or no

[trim hemlock]

Very easily done vs horde enemies

[late hatch]

lawbringer is pretty pog on zealot with throwing knives

[grand perch]

Because?

[trim hemlock]

Scattershot is a requirement to get good value out of Manstopper, so no, no bleed

[late hatch]

coz your throwing knives inherit the weapon blessing

you can basically infinite cleave with your throwing knives

[supple stag]

Thankfully noone mind my uhh, gameplay

[vague smelt]

I only get 20 Specialists crit weakspot with plasma per game idk how to perform this better xd

maybe I should run Knife

[supple stag]

Don't use plasma

:)

[vague smelt]

Got any better suggestions

[supple stag]

Nope

[grand perch]

Oh neat, I wasn't aware

[vague smelt]

Then your advice is null

[supple stag]

That's the best I could give, I refuse to use plasma out of principle

[late hatch]

your grenades can gain a lot of benefit from the weapon you are holding

[supple stag]

[rigid pilot]

uncanny with bleed nades is pretty nice

[tiny summit]

The only nerf they did to the crossover blessings is that the item cannot receive the buff while its mid flight

[tall torrent]

Knife + revolver/plasma

[supple stag]

Revolver on weapon spec builds is nutty

[vague smelt]

Any knife in particular or they're all the same

[tall torrent]

Whichever u prefer

[supple stag]

Mk VI has better horde clear iirc?

[late hatch]

3 is stabby and the 6? is slashy

[vague smelt]

Also I got this from Reqs watch Hadron brick it

Bricked fck

[supple stag]

How bad?

[vague smelt]

Specialists, Ghost and Efficiency

[supple stag]

[untold mulch]

The chaos agent strikes again

[vague smelt]

Now the lucius II I got below

[umbral moth]

Plasma+Power+shredder nade is the way to go

[supple stag]

Hadron secretly sniffs tox gas

[rigid pilot]

ah yes the pee build

[vague smelt]

Is this salvageable

[supple stag]

Yoink weight of fire

[late hatch]

67 dam is a lil low

[vague smelt]

Fine I'll try make another one

Back to grind more dockets

[late hatch]

It might be fine, im not expert with the HBs since I detest the sound they make

[untold mulch]

idk if flak is good? for this oen

but I say change specialist and falter and maybe while not peak

good enough for use

[vague smelt]

Just ripped Weight

[untold mulch]

fair enough

[rigid pilot]

wait since when did they change the blessing name from onslaught

[late hatch]

a couple weeks ago

[rigid pilot]

oh its a totally new blessing?

[frank monolith]

so close

[supple stag]

One game and you can get it

Face 1 maybe 2 hordes and melee them with crab walk

[agile forge]

Learn to love marksman's focus

get the achievement and then keep playing the build anyway because it's fun

[tame lodge]

So the penance doesn't care if it's melee or ranged kills, all they want is killing with 10 stacks, aight

[errant flame]

Okay i swear to fucking god everyone zealot or psyker really just wanna get shot by my lasgun while im firing at someone alrdy

Literally i have missed more shots because of bumblefuck mind blaster here only walks in a straight line to my damn lasshots

[dire olive]

Wait till he hears about ogryns

[agile forge]

yeppers

[serene bough]

If you just mag dump into hordes w/ 10 stacks you can get it done pretty quickly

[frank monolith]

or get the crab walk

and plasma a horde with 10 stack

[serene bough]

Alternatively, you could build 10 stacks then just stand there and melee kill

[frank monolith]

ive done the crab walk with plasma gun

and spamed it in horde, on my offhand i have the knife to move around with dash left or right

just a question how fast do you do this

[supple stag]

If you go on melee slaughter, it's a matter of few games

For me at least it was, Infiltrate is fun

[somber axle]

You can do it very fast

[tame lodge]

Hi int, infiltrate attack horde

[serene bough]

the only vet penance that is going to take a while is 500 krak kills

[somber axle]

Grab Infiltrate with Overwatch node for 2 charges, wait for a large horde and then pop infiltrate, walk into the center of the horde, melee swipe and break stealth to suppress

[serene bough]

everything else you can get pretty reasonably by just playing

[somber axle]

If you get into too much danger use the second charge to get back into stealth and retreat

If not just hit infiltrate again a few seconds later and repeat

I would also recommend -90% threat node because if another team mate is nearby enemies will not attack you

And by nearby I mean in coherency range without charismatic aura

If they're close/beside you enemies forget you exist legitimately

[serene bough]

if you can fit it i'd recommend low profile for infiltrate

[frank monolith]

eh ill be fine

[serene bough]

-90% threat reduction will make you invisible to gunners

it just vastly increases the utility of infiltrate

[untold mulch]

To me is basically mandatory with Infiltrate

[dire olive]

Basically second invis

[untold mulch]

it makes it go from a "meh" get out of trouble card

to a We cooking with promethium in here

[serene bough]

i play w/ infiltrate and MF keystone the most

its my prefered playstyle

and in my build i need low profile

[errant flame]

Ogryns im fine with

[untold mulch]

I may use MF next time I play with the new time it has

[errant flame]

Anyways anyone got a good loadout for a MGX VI lasgun?

[idle swallow]

Think I'll be a lil goofer and do lawbringer alt shot with scatter/manstopper for the marksman focus penance

[serene bough]

do you mean MG4?

[errant flame]

The rapid fire kantrael lasgun

[serene bough]

ye

i have one I use a lot

[errant flame]

Cool show

The current one im using just makes me a sentry gun

[serene bough]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6a195f-4891-4c49-8aff-6dee24bb5d50/mg4-knife

you can swap out infil for VoC for less talent tax if you prefer

[somber axle]

my fav thing about the new penances is that it is getting people to try out the other abilities/keystones

love seeing people running infiltrate more often than just Voice of Command Vets on repeat every game

😌

[serene bough]

i do recommend bringing ghost + headhunter though as a requirement since the build I'm using doesn't have a lot of built in TDR

[somber axle]

also new crab walking Vets trying Marksman's Focus penance

https://tenor.com/view/spycrab-lol-gif-7559333

[serene bough]

i do not recommend crabwalking unless you want to suffer

[somber axle]

I did it without crabwalking using my Lawbringer Manstopper + Scattershot build with Infiltrate + Low Profile

[serene bough]

but i suppose it is an efficient way to farm kills

[somber axle]

build to 10 stacks, spam special shot into hordes

[serene bough]

i just mg4 mag dumped

[somber axle]

that works too

[untold mulch]

crab walk meta

[somber axle]

I just love how Lawbringer with this set up evaporates hordes

[supple stag]

crab walk was fairly quick

500 kills per game c:

[serene bough]

i cant believe i never thought of this beforehand honestly, i completely forgot crabwalking was a thign

[somber axle]

someone recommended just keeping crouch on all game and using knife with side dodge to move

[untold mulch]

return to crab

[somber axle]

it was the funniest mental image

[untold mulch]

everything evolves back to crab

[somber axle]

everything always evolves into crab

crabs are peak physical form in nature

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/crabs-rave-crab-crab-rave-monstercat-gif-12505997

Ranged Vet meeting be like

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-crab-walk-counter-strike-gif-11939712

Ratling Sniper gameplay at last

[untold mulch]

Short king build

[supple stag]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-over-scott-gauson-how-ridiculous-crouch-walk-back-gif-20892890

[serene bough]

crabs are tasty i will say

[somber axle]

if poxwalkers try to take a bite just make sure they know they're in for a fight

https://tenor.com/view/crab-wtf-haircut-japanese-gif-11579510

[untold mulch]

just remembered that Daemonnetes usually have crab claws....

are crabs, agents of Slaanesh

[pallid jetty]

pretty fast

[somber axle]

you could probably defeat Slaanesh daemonnetes by telling Ogryns they're allowed to eat the crab claws with a side of butter

[balmy flume]

Weird unorthodox thought:
Running Laspistol and Executioner Stance, you could be a pistol based skirmisher.
Zooming around pumping out las shots, avoiding being tied down in close combat…

[untold mulch]

Damn

[agile forge]

You could probably do that with infiltrate too

[frank monolith]

do you need to do it against range enemies or does it work with melee?

[balmy flume]

You do have to avoid the leftmost keystone, and run the tag for damage keystone I suppose.

Because leftmost forces you to stay still.

[pallid jetty]

its easy to do during hordes

[balmy flume]

Gonna test it out lol

[pallid jetty]

they get suppressed when you leave stealth

like, you clap your cheack out of stealth so hard they be like "uhhh" and get suppressed

[agile forge]

More like it forces you to time your moves

If you are headshotting you can move

[pallid jetty]

so any human size enemies work

idont remember if it works on ogryns but who cares

[balmy flume]

…yea ok I see the arguments about VoC encouraging un Vet like style lol

[somber axle]

VoC is just ridiculously powerful because Vet personal toughness full restore into gold toughness and teamwide toughness regen on a 30 sec CD further reduced by Tactical Awareness by 6 sec each time you kill a special is silly

[bleak tangle]

saveable or suck ass??

[somber axle]

gold toughness can let you survive things you wouldn't normally like poxbursters or snipers as examples

[frank monolith]

you can survive a crusher over head with yellow toughness but i think you need to be blocking

[somber axle]

I have bad news

[frank monolith]

Thanks

[somber axle]

numbers cat guide in the pins lists Uncanny Strike, Thrust and Carapace as underlined so I think that means they're mandatory for a good Mk VII Shovel

that might be a brick

[balmy flume]

Just had a nice Exec stance pistol sniping session then be killed by zombie mob XD

Theory is sound, but need practice. Lots of practice.

On the other hand might just run IAG, which is better for close distant blasts

[vernal harbor]

This shit kills me because whoever goes that far in learning stats still succumbs to all the bullshit in DT that wipes them

[somber axle]

idk if someone put in the level of effort to learn every single weapon in the game to the point they know optimal combos for horde clear, single target or anti-armour on top of experimenting to figure out best blessings/perks for breakpoints on the weapons they've run the calculator gauntlet to know exactly how the weapons tick inside and out

that's an impressive level of effort and skill 99% of players will never have or even care to have

most people fall into 1 or 2 loadouts they love and forget anything else exists

also am upset

desync issues return

AUGH

[tall torrent]

I started making it only because a friend of mine wanted better understanding of the game

[somber axle]

back to mobs running in place like it's launch days

[vernal harbor]

That’s what’s funny because I know they shake their head when a barrel sends them over the edge

this fucking game

[hidden torrent]

You know, maybe I'm a natural veteran, but however, I started with Zealot main, then I went to Ogryn, and I have to say, Vet is the strongest class in the game by a good margin dunno if anyone else's experience is the same

[vernal harbor]

Agree

[somber axle]

Veteran is a very versatile class that can engage comfortably at any distance and makes for a very strong elite/special killer

[hidden torrent]

Also is very good at horde clear

[somber axle]

Zealot has better melee, Ogryn is tankier, Psyker can play ranged and entirely ignore ammo

[hidden torrent]

Also is good at boss killing with Kraks

[somber axle]

but Vet does what Vet does better than any of the other classes

[vernal harbor]

Three vets and a psyker are undefeated

[hidden torrent]

Having an Ogryn is nice to take Agro tbh

[vernal harbor]

Agree…disagree…. agree..

[hidden torrent]

I think Zealot is not better in melee tbh, PS is pretty crazg

[vernal harbor]

I love ogryns but I’d be lying if I said I wanted to play with them

[vernal harbor]

The toughness % reduction on vet makes them too good

[tame lodge]

I do not agree but I do understand

[somber axle]

I prefer the classes in this order:

Vet >>> Psyker > Zealot > Ogryn

But Ogryn is still REALLY REALLY FUNNY for things like this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1232479430463721602/brrr.mp4?ex=662b95aa&is=662a442a&hm=733d9064b84b77bf677d1b35037350dc04d6015a819dd1b1db36405513f50707&

[tall torrent]

All 4 are strong in their own ways, not rly the case of 1 being better than the others

[hidden torrent]

Idk I started playing Vet and I rarely lose anymore, I just can do everything without any issue

Completely comfortable no matter how bad it seems

[vernal harbor]

Add in grenades and

[hidden torrent]

Less of a flex and more me feeling like Vet is a cracked class

[somber axle]

Ogryn melting the whole wave solo and eating a Crusher overhead then casually mowing down the crusher too LMFAO

[vernal harbor]

Find me them ogryns

I get ass cracks in my face insane dented head activity and then the ogryn RP

[hidden torrent]

Ogryns tend to be the most aware player on the team in my experience

[somber axle]

Gunlugger Ogryns are either actual gods topping damage and kills or they're doing 100k damage and eating every single ammo tin/pack on the map while spraying into poxwalkers

no inbetween

[hidden torrent]

Psykers usually being the least aware

[somber axle]

Smitekers have negative awareness

they'll smite spam into crowds then get downed by a single dreg bruiser behind them

[vernal harbor]

Zealots are perfectly aware that they’re being an idiot

[hidden torrent]

The fact that PS stuns ragers and just using regen kraks and plasma for everything else

Like bro auric Maelstrom a cake walk now

[tall torrent]

Power sword doesn’t break rager combo that well

[hidden torrent]

I dodge it and flinch them fine usually

[vernal harbor]

The subconscious dance you do with ragers using the PS is so fun

[hidden torrent]

As long as you're ready for them

[vernal harbor]

Dash back as they swing while you are swinging

[hidden torrent]

And if you aren't ready for them, you press F and they fall on their face

[vernal harbor]

Gotta be like a hussar

[balmy flume]

Ok fuck it, looks like it really is commuting to Las sniping with ACOG scope with executioner stance lol

[hidden torrent]

I still am just waiting for FS to finally add the Long-las and melta to vet that's in the game files

[tall torrent]

Melta will prob be zealot exclusive

Long-las & hellgun for veteran

[hidden torrent]

It was on vet in the pre-alpha, when you could see everything for a split second

[balmy flume]

Looks like I have a lot of mental re-wiring to do to warm back up for proper Executioner stance rapid head taps lol

[hidden torrent]

I imagine it was going to be for squad leader, when they added it

Or commando

[balmy flume]

Wanting to be flexible and able to do both VoC or Exec as needed.

[midnight totem]

Squad leader, commando?

[balmy flume]

Squad leader, sniper

Commando is the rightmost tree

Will try that at some point too

Hmm…still having a scuffed build, need to update again…

[faint beacon]

Stub Rifle Might be shared but I wouldn't be surprised if its also Vet Exclusive cause its a huge caliber rifle vs an MG that Ogryn has

[terse idol]

Gonna say the funny thing but

Exe and MF is actually not bad for automatic weappons

Hence it's not exaactly "sniper"

[faint beacon]

Can you click on heads?

Yes?

boom

lmao

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

Maelstrom looking rather silly today

[leaden hollow]

You take a couple pieces of bread, toast 'em up and then get your mayonnaise. If you don't like mayo that's fine, you probably have weak bones anyhow. Take your meats and cheeses and portion them out in 3s or if you're not hungry, maybe just one or two pieces. Sometimes it's also better to cut a sandwich into sections to be easier to eat.

[tame lodge]

You're not beating the mayonnaise from the #zealot-class

[crude fiber]

You take some lobster and some pasta and some eggs and some pie, mix it in your body, and shit it all out

[leaden hollow]

I like lobster

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-lobster-eggs-pie-resonance-gif-25977775

[candid agate]

managed to do the 5 maelstrom missions without dying penance

lovely

[leaden hollow]

very nice

[candid agate]

gonna love flexing that title silently

[faint beacon]

I've been using the Auric Exemplar one mainly cause I realize its longer of a grind to do

[umbral scaffold]

interesting

[somber axle]

First time trying out a proper rolled and built Chainaxe

this thing is amazing

[faint beacon]

Which MK Exactly? IV or XII

[somber axle]

XII

I haven't tried a VI yet

it's not a perfect XII but it seems really good and can consistently 1 shot Crushers

[tall torrent]

Headtaker + slaughterer is neat

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[tame lodge]

5 ticks of damage babeeee

[somber axle]

the boss damage on this is AMAZING

[umbral scaffold]

it's quite an enjoyable weapon 😂

[faint beacon]

Best one

The IV is very niche but hits hard

[austere pine]

why are maulers so sneaky?

[balmy flume]

Well shit, I guess I lost my Exec Stance mojo

Time to just stick to VoC and farm the relics until the potential nerf hits lol

[austere pine]

just play infiltrate 5head

[craggy narwhal]

Oversor Assasin xdddd💀 😂

[austere pine]

wtf is that thing

[umbral scaffold]

[balmy flume]

TBF powersword/Laspistol is a very infiltrate thing.

[austere pine]

you were playing exe stance laspistol?

some nuts on you

[balmy flume]

Nah, that is my VoC layout

Exec stance I am trying Kantrael Ia

To proc all the headshots

[austere pine]

so just a field commander type vibe

[balmy flume]

Ye

[austere pine]

yeah i get that

did that with revolver chainsword

[balmy flume]

Right, enough Damnation frustration.
Time for Sedition Relic Servoskull hunting lol

[austere pine]

penance time

[somber axle]

I think my only criticism about the Chainaxe was mid-match I thought "this feels a little slow to swing, it'd be PERFECT if I was using trench fighter for the faster melee speed!"

and then after the match I realised I was already using that

very good horde clear, amazing boss damage, can 1HKO Crushers

it feels like it does everything but the weapon feels a little slow

but then I'm more used to Chainsword/Catachan Sword/Knife speed so that's definitely warped my perception a fair bit

other big criticism is that it's harder to do the 500 krak grenade kill penance now because I want to rev up the Chainaxe every time I see a Crusher or Bulwark now

[tall torrent]

Horde clear not that great tbh

[balmy flume]

…are the servers being weird again

Taking forever to load into Mourningstar…

Ok there we go lol

[faint beacon]

This is its issue

its very slow but you can make it hit really hard

[tough tiger]

True

[faint beacon]

Headtaker I think it is?

simply power on hit

not even kill

shit is very helpful on it

[tough tiger]

Slaughterer is better

U kill so easily anyway

[faint beacon]

Yeah the XII kills quickly anyways

so I think its on personal preference

Besides the uptime on Headtaker will allow you to shred specials by themselves and Bosses

[austere pine]

YES. i haven't seen this change be posted anywhere but YES

[tough tiger]

Slaughter and thrust demolishes anything

[austere pine]

which blessing do i keep here?

wait, neither

this is already goated

[faint beacon]

Check out this sick burster moment

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/29hBdMXWtkDrPm/d1337z2Qhhsp?invite=cr-MSwyQmgsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[austere pine]

medal tv

[faint beacon]

Yes its awful

[austere pine]

🤮

[faint beacon]

👍

[austere pine]

doorkickers but it's bursters

also, i might need that podcast/video documentary

[faint beacon]

I just listen to random ass podcasts or just documentaries covering weirdos on the internet

Idk I like being literate with unusual individuals

[leaden hollow]

I like more jelly on my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches

[faint beacon]

yeah well...

I like more Peanut butter

[leaden hollow]

dang

[idle swallow]

I listen to Andrew Tate in one ear and Jordan Peterson in the other ear at 2x speed while playing darktide

[austere pine]

peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are an afront to God and existence itself

[faint beacon]

You've never heard of a fluffernutter have you

that is an actual a front to god

that I will rarely eat

[leaden hollow]

Vets but all our voice lines are Andrew Tate

[faint beacon]

"What Color is your Bugatti"

[austere pine]

this is what these keybinds are called. i am disgusted

[faint beacon]

Large item

small item

what the fuck does this mean

[leaden hollow]

lmao

[somber axle]

I've been using a talent tree that juices up the melee with this so it feels extra good right now

I was using Chainsword before but decided to upgrade a Chainaxe on a whim, check the guide and then change the perks/blessings to what was on there as best I could and

[fiery geyser]

anyone have a build for the slug shotgun

i got a pretty insane one from hadron

[somber axle]

I've been using this with my Chainaxe

(this is not in response to the slug shotgun question btw)

[faint beacon]

I'd say

[somber axle]

between Weapon Specialist and a lot of the melee perks it ends up feeling amazing for horde clear

[faint beacon]

Teehee!

[somber axle]

but for a Vet who isn't going into melee talents it probably feels very sluggish

[fiery geyser]

i just got a iv full bore and a iv fire frenzy with no rereolls from hadron

[faint beacon]

But I'd say if you're doing Diet Zealot

and full on Focus

melee

[fiery geyser]

man stopper instead of fire frenzy would probably be better

[faint beacon]

XII is a very good pick

[somber axle]

I'm only doing Voice of Command for the dumb penance and then I'll go back to never using Voice of Command again tbh

other than Medic build

it's just so BORING

[fiery geyser]

just got that one done

i want them to release the black version of that chest piece

[somber axle]

it's taking forever to do

sometimes I have to stand in fire just to make the toughness go away and shout it back

[fiery geyser]

I got it done decently quick

i think it counts the temporary over toughness you get

[hollow ibex]

Nah manstopper is a meme on agri lol

[somber axle]

it doesn't count anything toward the penance if you're max toughness afaik

[idle swallow]

you're doing all toughness boosts and curio toughness right

[faint beacon]

Face tank gunners

I suggest that

[fiery geyser]

i thought it would be decent for killing armors

[somber axle]

yeah but the hard part is that my clown instincts have trained me to begin violently twerking and shooting back the instant I see them

[fiery geyser]

seems like that’s the one thing I can’t oneshot

[idle swallow]

My vet had 225 toughness and it got done in 5 or so matches

[hollow ibex]

It just doesn’t proc reliably.

[fiery geyser]

unlucky

[somber axle]

though this Chainaxe is a dream

[fiery geyser]

besides fullbore what’s the other optimal blessing

[somber axle]

I saved a downed Zealot surrounded by Crushers by booping them one by one and had time to get him up with that last tiniest sliver of red rescue HP left

Chainaxe is wonderful for my playstyle

btw my game was having weird desync issues and I had to verify game files to fix it but now Scoreboard isn't working anymore

does anyone better with mods know what's going on?

I checked and all the mod files including the little notepad thing are still there

[tall torrent]

do pox gas mission (any difficulty)

[somber axle]

I've been throwing myself into quickplay a bunch and haven't gotten that mission modifier but that's a good idea

also on the mod issue thing

the game has weirdly been stuttering a LOT today

it was 100% fine when I played last night

no idea what's causing it or if it's even related to the Scoreboard not working anymore thing

video drivers are up to date so it's nothing related to that

[junior rivet]

you using power di?

[somber axle]

idk what that is

[junior rivet]

scoreboard mod

was crazy stuttering for me

[somber axle]

these are the only ones I'm using at the moment

should I just deleted the mod files?

idc about Scoreboard that much and if it isn't working anyway I'd rather it just stop making the game stutter

go back to pure vanilla game

[frank monolith]

which one

theres like 3 i know, the first one, oven proof, power di

[junior rivet]

power di

[hollow ibex]

No respite or fire frenzy prob

[split sapphire]

Is combat blade any good?

[somber axle]

knife is very good yes

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[somber axle]

both of them

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-need-for-speed-gif-8762837

Me using knife

Literally the only melee weapon I use now

[frank monolith]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxWOXw7CWlUYpGxJ-qbgAtozTViC_u3uR8?si=RmIwU4fIfiqkpSqI enjoy making sushi out of beast of nugle

[hollow ibex]

You use knife for the killing potential. I use knife to pick up ammo before the gun lugger ogryn gets to it. We are not the same

https://tenor.com/view/gus-fring-jumpscare-gus-fring-jumpscare-scary-oby-gif-13022434999806691946

[junior rivet]

can load them one by one to see whats fucky with it

[somber axle]

I deleted the mod folder and the game is fixed

Scoreboard as definitely the cause

it wasn't working anyway so it's no big deal

[midnight totem]

I couldn't get any mod working other then weapon customization

So I didnt

[frank monolith]

#veteran-class message

[faint beacon]

Pestilence Escargot

[hollow ibex]

lol

But yeah knife gud

[austere pine]

what a stupid penance

literally forcing you to play a revolver because which damn weapon crits as much?

AND you don't even get fashion for it. a measly 10 penance points

[faint beacon]

its the most effective as well

wish it was just

Weak point hits

[austere pine]

nah. just kills

[faint beacon]

while Weapons Specialist is active

[austere pine]

you have to go WAY out of your way to get this penance

[faint beacon]

Its suffering

my least favorite of them

[austere pine]

because there's no way you're not switching your weapon every couple seconds if playing optimally

[faint beacon]

I already have my Hardened Veteran isignia so I dont need to worry about it ever again lmao

[austere pine]

like, i have to go out of my way to remember "hey, there's a specialist. kill something with one weapon so you can kill it with another."

it's just not a natural way to play this

what else do you use kraks for?

[somber axle]

I mean with Weapon Specialist you get a guaranteed first shot crit on swap to your ranged weapon if you killed a few poxwalkers with melee first

[austere pine]

literally says it in the name. you focus the tagged things

just kill enemies at certain stacks

but the specialist? nah. no way

[somber axle]

you only need like 3 stacks to have a 100% crit chance on your next ranged attack on swap so like killing 3 poxwalkers is enough

[austere pine]

i've gotten this many on my vet since the update's come out. i've basically just been spamming weapons specialist builds left and right, only now going for VoC because i need some better teamplay if i'm gonna be running smokes

[somber axle]

but if you use Deadshot or Surgical you could do it with 2 stacks

33% crit chance per stack on next shot fired

[austere pine]

"if this then this" but that's not a good way to think about this i feel like

[somber axle]

so 66% + 5% base + 25% Deadshot + 1 stack ADS Surgical with a Revolver is enough to make the crit guaranteed even if you only killed two poxwalkers but tbh

you really don't need Deadshot with a Surgical Revolver and Weapon Specialist

[austere pine]

either all other penances are designed incorrectly in that they reward you for gameplay too basic with a specific talent

[white minnow]

tbf revolver's just going to be the de facto with weapon spec regardless of whether you're gunning for the penance or not

[austere pine]

or this one is designed incorrectly in that it forces you to go OUT of your way to do it

[somber axle]

I'm grinding it too but it's not that bad imo

[somber axle]

Revolver works so well with it but tbh you could probably run a Kantrael Shotgun to very strong effect too

especially with that reload speed letting you put shells in ASAP

Weapon Specialist benefits Shotguns a bunch too

[austere pine]

reload speed bonus is a pain to get

not sure it's even worth it tbh because you're putting a point into always prepared

[somber axle]

plus if you're doing a funny Manstopper Shotgun you can load a special shot into a Lawbringer shotgun and guarantee the shot evaporates an entire horde

[white minnow]

since you're always getting 'always prepared' dipping your points into a reload talent is always 1 cost whether it's from the top-left/right or frrom weapon spec

[somber axle]

if you're doing Revolver you probably only need Always Prepared tbh

if you're doing a shotgun with it then Fleeting Fire helps immensely

[austere pine]

though tbh i have an idea for a shotgun WS build that takes the reload speed talent of WS

[somber axle]

and tbh I think Fleeting Fire lets you skip both reload talents at the top of the tree

[austere pine]

you get this here along with the WS talents

[somber axle]

I really don't need tactical reload or volley adept if I'm running Weapon Specialist with Always Prepared and Fleeting Fire

[austere pine]

you shoot all yo shit. kill a few things to get a few shells back and reload faster because of tac rel

[somber axle]

so it saves talent points that way

[austere pine]

man, my focus fire voc builds are always so whack

literally what is this pathing

on any other tree path it would not work but because i'm going straight down the middle with no snaking, i get to double up on some choices

[faint beacon]

So I've never tried the Rashad I pulled a nearly perfect Blessing perk combo one

I assume this is going to be a really fun axe to use

It has the mandatory Blessing combo

its just the perks

[short wigeon]

someone witness my pain

[midnight totem]

adept assassin was incredibly easy to get

I played normally

mulch hordes

headshot gunners and specials

laspistol and revolver

hell, could do it with plasma gun too, but plasma gun can do anything

[marble yew]

I grinded out the smoke nade penance and i gotta say smoke has a lot more impact than i thought prior to this 🤔

Creates tons of space for ages

[grand perch]

penances are all fine except a set of 5

these are dumb

2500 kills, and only exploding barrels. not flaming ones

two thousand. five hundred. exploding barrel kills. wtf.

[dull atlas]

thats gonna take a long time im not even on tier 3 yet

[tame lodge]

Another one joins the vape nation

[grim widget]

getting nasty out here yall

[umbral scaffold]

that's quite the penance, lol D:

[grim widget]

downright dirty

[grand perch]

worst part is on damnation poxwalkers stop dying to it from full health if theyre not very close

and its just 5 points every stage

[marble yew]

I was pleasantly surprised when all perked up for grenades, turned arena style situation super easy

And it lasts so long too

back to crackhead grenades though, gotta get that penance next unfortunately

[faint beacon]

yeah the rashad is damn fun

Im competeing with a PS user and winning lmao

[trim steppe]

hot diggity. I wanna see it orange if you have the plasteel!

[trim steppe]

Once you get a godroll rashad, there's no better melee choice IMO. It answers every threat and has amazing horde clear

[trim steppe]

Holy crap, that's legit impressive. What's your method?

[grand perch]

herding poxwalkers for a while in hordes, pull them very close to the barrel, explode it

and keep doing that a lot

[trim steppe]

You doing it with friends/premade in non-auric?

[grand perch]

randoms

[trim steppe]

That set of 5 for real needs to be 1/10 the quantity. Otherwise its just cruel

I'm surprised they let you do that, most quickplays just blaze through the match

I have 13 barrel kills after 15 missions lmao

[faint beacon]

Its like

teetering on God Roll right

its literally 1 perk that kills it

1.5 stamina

thats it

thats what's holding it back

BM IV, Headtaker IV

[bitter turtle]

weap specialist guarantees a crit

you dont have to play revolver

i finished it on laspistol/knife easily

a weapon with a good crit string like v3 should work as well

[trim steppe]

I had 3 different 380 Rashads with great stat distribution that ended up 3/4. It took over 5 months to get my godroll, so I don't know that it was worth it lol, but it is extremely nice now that I do have it

[faint beacon]

Also has anyone noticed since the recent update

Plasteel

[trim steppe]

My precious

[faint beacon]

is actually obtainable

Like in good quanties

[faint beacon]

I fucking WISH I had that lmao

Also noticing its fucking really good with a WS focused build

that and Trench fighter

[somber axle]

Yeah the puzzles are giving 100 plasteel if someone in the group hasn't done the puzzle and with the new heretic shrines to destroy we get even more plasteel so I've seen some missions give up to 1000+ plasteel

[crude fiber]

Well you getting an extra 50 per idol destroyed and another 100 if you bother doing the skull

[somber axle]

it's nice

[crude fiber]

I've had an over 1000 plasteel game this update

[trim steppe]

Yeah the idols are helping. I used to average about 750 per mission, now its closer to 900. Its a decent bit better

[faint beacon]

750 per mission + 300 if Martyr's AND all idols