veteran-class

[frank ether]

smite is an exercise in how to make it so no one in the team has any fun lol

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/06b1e6e6639ed240ee2b1afd33288c12.png

its almost over

maybe

idk

its over 50% done

that rounds up

[tame lodge]

"The psyker is killing them"

[bitter turtle]

unironically

that's probably what they're thinking

but the fact that i was not last place in damage

despite using literally almost nothing except smite

tells me otherwise

[fresh mango]

EP my beloved

[tall torrent]

Lemme help u

[drifting oak]

what the fuck is the spawn rate on the final plague tree event

we were on it for like 20 whole minutes because it would not let up with area denial (bombers, flamers, snipers) on the objective

[last parcel]

Hel Dreyko

[somber axle]

I have a Smiteker build that uses Venting Shriek and Creeping Flames to kinda clear rooms of chaff while holding all the bigger stuff still. It's boring compared to Gunker or any Staff but it kills things on its own without needing to care if team mates are helping or not

I am at work so I cannot share the build but between Shriek and Creeping Flames ticking away it clears hordes very well

[sturdy crow]

Just tried this out and god damn it massacred those heretics

[somber axle]

Yeah Plasma is silly

[sturdy crow]

Crusher? Two shots. Sniper on the other side of the world? Just aim in the general direction and shoot.

[drifting oak]

plasma is hilariously overtuned shot per shot

kind of skimpy on ammo though since the survivailst change

you can't do primary shooter duty with it anymore

but that's honestly probably fair-er than it used to be

[sturdy crow]

Yeah I'm actually running fire team now, the survivalist nerf was maybe necessary but it doesn't feel great

[molten hound]

am i not gettin how crit chance is calculated or somethin, i got base 19% crit chance on my revolver, run deadshot, weapon specialist, surgical + crucian and i only crit like 2 out of 5 shots on average

[drifting oak]

it's a bandaid fix, and some weapons still don't have nearly enough ammo pool without it

[molten hound]

what is goin on here

[drifting oak]

could just be perception weirdness
There's actually a mod that always displays your crit chance in real time

[molten hound]

are all crit chance modifiers additive?

[sturdy crow]

my columnus psyker and gunlugger ogryn are both very sad

[drifting oak]

i forget what it is but telopots uses it

[drifting oak]

I mean with a survivalist both of these are STILL silly

just not AS silly

[sturdy crow]

haha yeah, I just gotta be an ammo goblin now

[drifting oak]

team ammo aura is just a mistake period, it should be vet-personal only

[tall torrent]

Went broke for this, worth it kinda

[serene bough]

if only maniac were cara

still good

[tall torrent]

I’d prob swap it to weakspot honestly

I tested and it’s

999 flak dmg to scab shotgunner

On H1 and H2, with 5 stack RF up

And desperado + precision strikes

[sturdy crow]

the knife is mostly just a mobility tool for me, so I didn't really try too hard to get a perfect one

[serene bough]

fireteam?

[arctic rampart]

are you voc with that setup?

[tall torrent]

I play knife + plasma

[serene bough]

sadge

[drifting oak]

How good is decapitator + Bromentum on an antax

I've never used it

[tall torrent]

Do not

[sturdy crow]

twins!

[drifting oak]

(decapitator)

[tall torrent]

Decapitator is big shit

[arctic rampart]

if I remember bm + slaughter or was it headtaker for antak

[sturdy crow]

what's your build?

[drifting oak]

I mean I snip off heads all the time, or does it just not work properly

[tall torrent]

Decapitator means you need to start with heavy atks to 1 shot enemies to gradually reach bruiser 1 shot, and it’s not as consistent as headtaker

Just don’t

[tall torrent]

One sec

[drifting oak]

or is it a case of "you already cut off the head of the first enemy you hit, but no more, so getting more finesse changes zero breakpoints"

[feral cave]

Ok so this is my current decent Recon Las. This is going on my stealth-Vet build, so I've already got the 20% Sprint Efficiency on the tree. Should I keep Stripped Down and enhance the Sprint Efficiency perk? Or should I switch out both blessings?

[drifting oak]

politely speaking the recon las is hot dog water

[tall torrent]

I take 5% melee dmg + reciprocity + desperado

[molten hound]

Known issues:
The game itself has faulty crit chance calculation, like giving additional 0.2% chance after a Crucian Roullete shot or updating the revolver's chance only after the shoot action is made.

[serene bough]

really you should take as much damage boosts as you can if youre going to run recon

[molten hound]

????

what the hell

[serene bough]

recon is in a pretty bad spot

[molten hound]

i knew this shit was bugged

[sturdy crow]

Almost twins there too, I'm trying this out now

[feral cave]

By "damage boosts" you mean against certain types, or Blessings with boosts to damage?

[tall torrent]

U don’t need volley adept for plasma

[sturdy crow]

I'm not sure about covering fire really

[serene bough]

both

[tall torrent]

And I’d highly recommend survivalist for plasma

[drifting oak]

covering fire is kind of a meme but it's a fun meme

[feral cave]

Ah ok, shit.
If I replace sprint efficiency, I can only change out one of the blessings.

[serene bough]

youd likely want dumdum & infernus I guess for blessings, infernus isnt great but i dont think any other blessing really boosts recons damage

[tall torrent]

Headhunter mandatory unfortunately

[sturdy crow]

Yeah I know, I just wanted to try something different since every other build is using survivalist

[serene bough]

ah yeah

recon gets headhunter

[tall torrent]

Otherwise ammo economy take a nosedive

[serene bough]

so headhunter + dumdum

[drifting oak]

10% base damage for 3 seconds is literally-who-cares tier in most situations
Most players won't benefit from the 15% toughness regen but sometimes you shoot a bunch of enemies next to a struggling teammate and it helps

[sturdy crow]

Yeah the radius of covering fire is really low too

[drifting oak]

the thing is your struggling teammate is usually just instantly on the floor in the first place

[feral cave]

Ok, thank you.

[serene bough]

the only gun i use covering fire for is the mg4 ilas, even then i sometimes just remove it for tinkerer

bc its not that great

[drifting oak]

Would covering fire be improved if it was a double buff? Like if you got a buff for doing it AND it buffed teammates around the enemy killed

[serene bough]

its overall a niche node that promotes bad habits

[tall torrent]

Good choice for covering fire is a gun with higher cleave because u can shoot through teammates to hit enemies in front of them to apply buff more easily

Prob agrip8 braced

[sturdy crow]

like plasma? Haha

[drifting oak]

i don't disagree lol

[serene bough]

its still a solid choice bc groaners will always cleave

[arctic rampart]

really the question is are u set on recon lasgun how about a different lasgun https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/lasgun-infantry/kantrael-mg-ia-infantry-lasgun or https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/lasgun-infantry/kantrael-mg-iv-infantry-lasgun

[tall torrent]

Plasma works for that it’s just that
If you’re gonna go support build for plasma, playing gloryhunter + born leader is just a WAY better option

[sturdy crow]

ooh that's a neat interaction

[serene bough]

the fire rate spam and mag size make it still plenty useful

[sturdy crow]

didn't think of that

[serene bough]

albeit, probably not as useful as just taking tinkerer

[sturdy crow]

isn't charismatic kind of good with a tag build since it applies buffs in coherency?

[drifting oak]

In my experience teammates are either well within coherency or fully in narnia

[sturdy crow]

haha yeah that's true

[arctic rampart]

veteran has a lot of really interesting points though so you over time will want to use them elsewhere @sturdy crow

[drifting oak]

and in the latter case it's usually not their fault, like if you get split by bombers or dispersing to not get gang-suppressed by shooters

[arctic rampart]

especially ones that buff you more, because the best support is crushing everything

[drifting oak]

like splitting wide is the sensible thing to do in that situation
But you won't be in cohernecy even with charismatic

[tall torrent]

It’s theoretically alright, however:

1. You’re not supposed to depend on teammates’ auras to do well
2. Also it’s your teammates’ fault for not being in coherency of u to benefit from born leader, not urs

[sturdy crow]

that makes sense. is born leader useful if you're not running gloryhunter?

[timid otter]

I think it has more just to do with missing out points at the end.

[arctic rampart]

the problem with born leader is that for the emp is better

[timid otter]

Veteran has a design where the maximium amount of talent gain happens by investing at the end

[sturdy crow]

Came up with this, not sure where to put that last point

[last parcel]

in the balls

[sturdy crow]

stamina regen delay reduction is pretty sweet

[sturdy crow]

talent points are stored in the balls?

[arctic rampart]

best mod for rerolling brunt until 370s (or w/e) ?

[timid otter]

yes

[arctic rampart]

especially one that discards the trash

[timid otter]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/100

[sturdy crow]

Is there a mod that allows me to set stats for it to check for? the overall rating isn't that useful

[hollow ibex]

Don’t think so

[sturdy crow]

Hm, too bad

[hollow ibex]

Setting overall stats to 370 helps quite a bit though

[sturdy crow]

I am a programmer though, maybe this modding thing isn't that complicated

[timid otter]

The games actual code is LUA

[sturdy crow]

Yeah, most mods use lua

It's a silly language

[timid otter]

I mean you can try im not sure if it would be possible

[soft solstice]

i know they buffed the shotguns a fair amount since launch but they still don't really feel good

[serene bough]

i guess its hard to make a shotgun feel good when they have such a well made melee combat system

[hollow ibex]

I like them tbh. Besides the lawbringer that is

Agri and kanty are balanced as well

[soft solstice]

i'm still holding out for a double barrel shotgun, either make it a normal shotgun but with alot of ammo, or a like a the kickback for ogryn as a low ammo but high damage gun, but I feel like they'd mess it up somehow

[arctic rampart]

what would you change

[tall torrent]

Savage sweep -> wrath

Block efficiency -> maniac/elite

[soft solstice]

i'd be happy for something like, 80/90 base ammo with decent damage, can't sustain like the combat shotguns or have special shots but the damage is enough to be fair against elites and specials, kind of like the fan fire revolver compared to the original

[tall torrent]

I greatly dislike that u can only load 1 special shell at a time

[soft solstice]

that sounds about right for the chainsword, bloodletter maybe

especially since the normal shot without the special shell is so bad

[tall torrent]

It should be an ammo type swap

Like, if u swap to slugs, then all shots u load are slugs

Smth like that

[arctic rampart]

was wondering if savage sweep was that much worse than wrath and if I could afford 2 perk changes. but I was thinking same.. not sure about savage sweep with light attacks

[soft solstice]

i'd be happy if it was a toggle that burnt more ammo, so switching to the special ammo made it all good but each shot took 3 shells to fire

[arctic rampart]

Sir, thats called a plasma gun

Insert hellbore stab squad comment too

[soft solstice]

slug shotgun is the closest we have to sniper in the game, it's pretty much a single shot bolt action, and probably would be better than if they added an actual sniper rifle

[tall torrent]

Give me a 2.5x scope long-las pls

[soft solstice]

the damage I'd want from a sniper rifle would have to have like 20 ammo to compensate, I want body shots to be at least as strong as a krak grenade

[serene bough]

i hope if they introduce a long las it behaves like the enemy snipers

i.e. massive cleave through trash mobs

[soft solstice]

I imagine longlas being like the mg12 but either half ammo and double damage, or 75% less ammo for triple damage

[serene bough]

given the sheer quantity of enemies being thrown at us i kind of worry a longlas isnt going to be very useful

[soft solstice]

yeah, any rifle like that is anti special/elite, which infantry las and headhunter rifles do, and the plasma gun just does that better

massive cleave weapon made for trash would probably be a plasma pistol, less damage but the ammo allows it to trash hordes and weaker elites more often

[tall torrent]

With enough cleave and dmg, anything is possible

[soft solstice]

it'd need to massively suppress stuff in a big area for a good while for it to be anything but a slightly different las/headhunter rifle

[molten hound]

alright so vet crit chance appears to be bugged

its like deadshot and weapon specialist just dont do anything

[tall torrent]

Huh?

[last parcel]

can you elaborate on this

[tiny summit]

Wonder how they would do long-las since it would be like competing with plasma, revolver and helbores

But also fuck it. Give people their same niche but different flavors

[somber axle]

Tbh I'd kinda settle for the Longlas having few shots per clip but having THE best finesse values to reward crit headshots well. Less cleave than Plasma but also very high suppression so when you take a target out in the middle of trash, non-elite shooters duck for cover or scramble to get away

[midnight mortar]

Overlap is fine given this is a PvE game.

I could see the Longlas having massive stagger and suppression in an area around the shot in the same vein as the scab sniper's shots we deal with already.

[somber axle]

I know I fuck off if I hear a sniper shot and look to get cover before engaging

[midnight mortar]

In the same way that we players get pushed back if we're hit by or near the sniper's shot.

[somber axle]

Gotta find the beam and make a safe moment amidst trash and special spawns before aiming at the sniper if they're far away behind a crate and need a magic pixel shot to kill

Longlas being able to 1HKO every special/elite including Crushers would be nice. Lucius Mk III Helbore can do it if you run almost everything under the sun to give it one shot one kill potential

Plus very high finesse high damage per shot weapon would make for a very funny weapon for boss damage

Chaos Spawn faces are tricky to hit but imagine blasting them and chunking away 10-15% in a single shot

(OK that might be too much depending on fire rate LOL)

[serene bough]

massive suppression and cleave is definitely somethign to make it useful

personally I think the revolver should penetrate less anyhow

[somber axle]

To balance out high damage/high finesse make it have a long delay between shots (not talking about reload) where there gun needs a moment before it is ready to fire again. Makes it weak against clearing rooms of non-elite shooters and leaves you vulnerable if your aim is wrong on a target

No spammy

We have like a million spammy guns already

[tiny summit]

I mean bolter should like suppress everyone in a radius when it turns some heretic into red mist

[somber axle]

It kinda does

[tiny summit]

Doesn't feel like it

[somber axle]

Big AoE stagger is shoving everyone around always

[tiny summit]

I want them shook

[somber axle]

Nothing is firing back if it's getting thrown onto it's ass

And we have since learned it is technically possible to pop open Bulwark shields with 1 shot with the Boltgun after the update too

[soft solstice]

i feel like long las with AOE suppression would be nice if suppression against enemies was a bit better I feel

i think mostly in terms of how long it's active on people and keeping them down

[tiny summit]

Yea because it's shit. And the shredder pistol with a suppression dmg boost blessing is shit

[sharp ember]

yippeeee

[frank ether]

I think the real debate is how will the scope work

[tiny summit]

Fuck the scope

[frank ether]

its not a problem if its role overlaps with the likes of other power weapons

[tiny summit]

Ww2 gaming

[frank ether]

Its not a problem for me since I can just mod the FoV into whatever I want

[soft solstice]

we only really have 1 type of scope on one type of gun so any other options there would be nice

[frank ether]

you already have weapons that have default aim fov of like 40

at that point it doesnt make much difference to slap a scope

[soft solstice]

we don't have any power weapon high damage tier guns with a proper scope like the the infantry las

[brisk oxide]

0 for 4 on the monstrous maelstrom modifier, oof

[crude fiber]

having similar choices is fine, at that point it would be an aesthetic choice. i just want them to add new weapons

[brisk oxide]

These quick play teams aren’t doing it. I’m even solo killing most of the monsters and it’s not enough

[soft solstice]

new weapons with similar but different niches is fine, I loved when they added new stubber and shovels despite them being fairly similar to existing stuff

[tiny summit]

Make shotguns have only their special ammo

[brisk oxide]

I just wanted one win to start my streak before I did a premade

[tiny summit]

Lmao

[crude fiber]

might have to re-add weapon customization mod. im missing using sights on guns but i kept crashing my game

[soft solstice]

i'd lovea normal grenade launcher but I feel like they'd never be able to balance it right

[crude fiber]

i said the same thing earlier, but it would be pretty op to be fair

[tiny summit]

Yea and the plasma exists as it does now and surv was only changed last week

[somber axle]

Could just make the weapon's special action adjust scope magnification maybe

Adjust from 2.5x to 4x or something

[soft solstice]

they'd have to add some other downside to it to make up for all special shots, but honestly they feel kind of meh as is that somethingas simple as like, loading 2 special shells at once would be a massive improvement

[crude fiber]

oh so if ones things broken they should just add more

[frank ether]

feel like this is the sort of thing we should be able to customize with all of our guns lmao

[crude fiber]

lawbringer 1 special at a time already removes hoards. im assuming same for kantrael

[frank ether]

something something gib weapon customization

[somber axle]

Probably but that's probably never happening

[frank ether]

I have to use mods for ADS fov functionality

and to disable things like sprint fov change / exe stance fov change etc

[tiny summit]

Well if the broken things are obviously not a problem for them, I don't care about them doing it more

If they can actually balance the game I can care less but plasma still exists as it does

[brisk oxide]

Plasma definitely needs a nerf

I basically never use anything else

Smaller magazine size would help

[tulip condor]

For Zorona revolver, typically want hand cannon and what? Surgical or Roulette?

[tiny summit]

Uncharged shots should be as deadly as psykers using any peril at 100 peril

[somber axle]

It kinda already got nerfed with the Surv Aura change making ammo econ on it gone from one of the best pre update to near the bottom of ammo efficiency for some, and objectively awful for taking out rooms of non-elite shooters with ammo econ

If you want to clear a room of non-elite shooters sure but say good bye to a hefty chunk of your ammo and start sniffing shadows for ammo tins

[tiny summit]

Yea but it's still plasma answering every enemy in the game and surv still works

[brisk oxide]

You think? I feel like plasma is still totally fine on ammo

[tulip condor]

Anyone?

[tiny summit]

It really is fine, you just can't be AS ignorant. You can still be ignorant

[somber axle]

I've seen a loooot of quickplay Plasma Vets become ammo vacuums and take 6-8+ tins, 2-3 packs and 2-3 ammo crate hits per match

[somber axle]

The wonders of finally having Scoreboard is knowing how much ammo my team is eating

[midnight mortar]

#veteran-class message This should have your answers.

[brisk oxide]

That’s because they’re not using a melee weapon then

[bitter turtle]

surgical

roulette sucks

even on the fan revolver

[tiny summit]

Can't really say I care about how many ammo tins people pick up as long as it's being put to good use and/or not at the detriment to the team. That just means the ammo economy is actually functioning now

[somber axle]

If you're not using Plasma to fight rooms of non-elite shooters regularly then the ammo econ is fine tbh. It still has solid ammo efficiency even with nerfed Surv Aura for exclusively dealing with elites/specials

[brisk oxide]

I’m still doing 75% of my damage with my sword even with a plasma gun

[crude fiber]

surgical, definity maniac and then other damage perk of your choice

[bitter turtle]

maniac/elite

tehre is no choice

[tulip condor]

@bitter turtleThanks, appreciate it

[bitter turtle]

maniac/carapace is probably ok enough

but objectively inferior

[somber axle]

Idk rushing a room full of shooters is risky depending on what else is on the battlefield. Using smoke nades to draw them into melee or buy time to close the distance is good but running out of cover into the line of fire just power sliding in their direction is going to catch at least a few stray shots here and there unless you're perfect with dodging every single shot

[somber axle]

I care if they burn all the ammo and then 10 minutes into a match everyone is competing for tins. Which can happen with some really bad Plasma Vets wanting to shoot every single shooter in squads who have weapons that also need their fair share of ammo

Brautos are ammo hungry too

Gunlugger Ogryns hungry boys

[brisk oxide]

If I see a room full of gunners I’m dumping plasma until they’re all dead. But that only uses up like 10% of your ammo

[somber axle]

Put a Plasma user with another Plasma user in a team or really any other class/weapon build with not good ammo econ competing for ammo in your average quickplay and watch the team sit on orange/red ammo a few minutes into the match

[brisk oxide]

I dunno, all I can say is that I’m not struggling for ammo on maelstrom quickplay, I’m letting people take packs all the time

[vocal cipher]

unloading with a stubber or ripper into a hoard feels better than sex. change my mind

[somber axle]

I play very ammo efficient weapons generally just so I can keep shooting even if my team is racing each other for the ammo pack I ping LOL

[bitter turtle]

playing ogryn is a miserable experience imo

[brisk oxide]

The only time I find I have ammo problems with plasma is if someone is running a bolt gun in the party

[bitter turtle]

slow as fug

unloading into a horde with ripper doesnt feel good because its a tiny clip

[tiny summit]

They either learn or die. Have had a few plasma games this patch. I'm less ignorant in shooting but I don't feel like the ammo economy is actually hurt if you actually manage ammo

[somber axle]

Yeah good Vets tend to be fine with Plasma. Pug Vets in quickplay are not often good Vets

[bitter turtle]

ability makes you reload faster, sure, but the cooldown is long

oger is just by far the least enjoyable class for me to play

[brisk oxide]

I think they over rely on the gun because of how strong it is

And waste ammo on stuff that is swordable

[somber axle]

A lot of people over rely on their ranged weapon and burn their ammo dry in Damnation quickplay tbh

It's a lot of returning players/new players after the update

[hollow ibex]

Same. Hate it

[brisk oxide]

I could see that

[somber axle]

The magic of watching backpedaling panicky Vets spamming Plasma shots into the 2 Poxwalkers that snuck up behind them LOL

[tulip condor]

Made 2 more, total of 3. Which is the best?

@bitter turtleI'd like your opinon as well

[hearty panther]

the magic is that it causes me physical pain to see

[brisk oxide]

If I see someone shoot plasma into like, little dreg shooters more than like, a stray shot to just clean up one that’s far away, I know we’re gonna have issues

[somber axle]

It causes them pain too when they go down to poxwalkers and need a rescue

The funniest was watching a Zealot go down to poxwalkers

No specials, no elites

Dude was just vibing until suddenly he wasn't

[brisk oxide]

That happened to me earlier. On auric maelstrom. Guy died 4 times

I tried to vote kick but no dice

[somber axle]

There was someone here a while ago who was either trolling or genuinely trying to argue you're not supposed to melee at all in the game

[brisk oxide]

Lmao hahah that’s good bait

[somber axle]

I remember he said your gun is your primary weapon until people literally posted screenshots of the menus showing the melee weapons have the title "Primary Weapon" over them and the ranged weapons have "Secondary Weapon" over them

A funny thing to watch

[brisk oxide]

Too good

[bitter turtle]

check if the maniac+elite one can

[somber axle]

Not going to name him since that's against the rules, just mentioning the story because it was really funny to watch

[bitter turtle]

1. 2shot crushers with crits

2. bodyshot crit 1tap ragers

if so, middle one is best

[tulip condor]

Good to know

Thanks again

[bitter turtle]

np

[bitter turtle]

yes i posted those pictures because he told me "this isnt vermintide" when i told him your melee is your primary

he wanted to play with only shooting the revolver

[hollow ibex]

it's still a very melee-heavy game, but ngl i do like having the option to use guns more

[hollow ibex]

which the nerf hurts quite a bit

[bitter turtle]

sure, but a gun with only 5 bullets a clip and a long reload is not the gun to do it with

[iron marten]

R8 Revolver | Fade?!?!

[tulip condor]

lol that the R8

from CS

[feral cave]

Rolled better with my current Vet knife. Should I boost Lacerate to IV? Or should I put on Flesh Tearer IV and change Sprint Efficiency to bonus crit chance?

[iron marten]

holy shit, Melk

[tall torrent]

Maniac + elite
Surgical + hand-cannon
Best possible combo

[tulip condor]

Depends on your playstyle I'd say. Lacerate is more consistent. If you prefer crit then yes, get flesh tear and swap talent points

[tulip condor]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

You need uncanny strike

[thorny cobalt]

incredible stuff

[radiant chasm]

change lacerate to uncanny, take sprint efficiency for any damage perk. Grab the +1 bleed talent on the right tree. or if you don't plan on doing that just mercy to uncanny

[feral cave]

OH- is weak spot damage still ass?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[feral cave]

Or did they fix that yet?

Yuck.

[feral cave]

Yeah, I guess I don't really need to rely on bleed stacks, and I do have that one 1-bleed perk. That way I still get both bonuses.

[somber axle]

He had to have been trolling because if not then it's probably overlap with Helldivers players scrambling to play more co-op shooter games and being funneled directly into a game where melee is pivotal and not an afterthought

[tulip condor]

This a mod?

[thorny cobalt]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/175

[hearty panther]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-snake-revolver-ocelot-engraving-gif-26456286

[iron marten]

still waiting for the MGS4 PC Port...

I really don't want to buy a ps3 just to play it...

[timid otter]

the snek is clearly getting distracted by the engravings.

thereby granting tactical advantage?

[iron marten]

ocelot was too distracted at it too though, cause he didn't realize it had 6 shots!

[timid otter]

in conclusion non-human animals are dumb.

and we shouldnt be giving them guns.

[iron marten]

they can look cool as hell with it though

https://tenor.com/view/viktorbg-gif-25283495

[timid otter]

you could emulate them.

https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

[iron marten]

true, there is an RPCS3 specific build for mgs4

[brisk oxide]

Broooo I just lost my streak by loading into the post game screen? How did they not catch that?

[iron marten]

I guess it's just the excuse I need to also try out Demon's Souls

[brisk oxide]

So you can’t even do auric storm survivor on quickplay, basically

[iron marten]

ah, that sucks

[brisk oxide]

Right? Like if I popped into a mission with no chance of surviving that would be one thing

[iron marten]

but going straight into a failure

[midnight mortar]

Classic Fatshark.

[brisk oxide]

I would estimate 1 in 8-10 times I load into quickplay I load into a failure screen. So odds are about half of your streaks will get stopped

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-revolver-ocelot-snake-metal-gear-gif-20687679

[trim steppe]

That's rough. GD it FS! While doing my 10-streak, any time I didn't go straight into the loadout waiting room and ended up on a transport instead, I just immediately alt-f4'd to prevent exactly that. Plus late joins dont count anyway so I was double avoiding headaches

[fresh mango]

is this worth upgrading?

[somber axle]

That's a tricky one because it's very likely to brick

But it could come out ok

If I had that I would risk it just in case it gives Headhunter or Deadly Accurate as the second blessing

If you have the spare plasteel pray to Hadron and try

If not then maybe save it for another day when you have more plasteel to spare and feel lucky

[fresh mango]

gotcha, and another thing, what colomnus would you recommend? or is it a preference thing?

[somber axle]

What do you mean? Like Braced Autogun or Infantry Autogun?

[fresh mango]

yeah

[somber axle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun is the strongest gun in the game right now tbh

Columnus Braced Autogun is ok but Agripina Braced Autogun is much better

[last parcel]

cleave go brrrr

[fresh mango]

okay gotcha, i had heard columnus was good but didnt know which one, ive been rocking a agripina braced for a while and wanted to try the colomnus

[somber axle]

It's ok but Columnus Braced Autogun doesn't have the cleave so you will probably feel a noticeable difference there

[trim steppe]

agri braced is amazing, it gives a lot of oomph and has good penetration so you can take out groups of shooters or bruisers, or hit elites through chaff. The Columnus IAG is much stronger in terms of single target, if you shoot at weakspots almost everything will melt almost instantly. It has less stagger and penetration than the agri brauto though so you have to play it a bit differently

[fresh mango]

i THOUGHT i was using the agri braced but

ive been using this instead

[junior needle]

columnus brauto is objectively the worst brauto

Worst dps, worst ammo efficiency

[fresh mango]

This a good roll? or am i looking for high ammo too

[tall torrent]

Yes good

[junior needle]

Perfectly good, ammo barely matters on it

the ammo stat that is

[junior needle]

I recommend changing both perks

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/lollipop-sucker-dum-dum-gif-6004003

[junior needle]

Priority is dumdum>flak/maniac perks>second blessing

[fresh mango]

flak and, i assume carapace maybe? or maniac

nice

Praise the omnissiah

[slow sky]

guys im having an argument

is weapon specialist good or bad

[last parcel]

hi having an argument

[austere badger]

It's good if you use it right.

So what are the current try hard builds?

[unique sorrel]

its ok, i've never felt good about using it with any ranged weaps other than plasma and revolver

not that those are bad, just limiting

my issue is that it feels like most of what it does is allow your ranged kills to power up your melee, but getting to the WS keystone already has you invest more heavily into melee than i normally want

[somber axle]

Yeah but it's still usable without needing someone to play silly like me unlike the Shredder or Recon Mk II. It's not good but it's ok. Agripina is the best and Graia gets funny fire rate when braced but Columnus is serviceable

[junior needle]

If it's the worst, there's no benefit to picking it over others

[sharp ember]

i think columnus still has a point to it, it should reach some stagger breakpoints on certain enemies like ragers, but it's been a hot minute

a lot of enemies just shrug off getting graia magdumped so it's just a dps race to make them dead

then again, stares at agri

[brisk oxide]

Good call, I’ll quit out from now on if I’m not in pregame lobby

[junior needle]

If there's no good reason to take a weapon over others, all it does is serve as a noob trap

It should have its own strengths that are reasonably on par with alternatives

[austere badger]

If you alt f4 on down does it still count against you?

For the auric deaths? :0

[rigid pilot]

You can save scum out of deaths yea

[bitter turtle]

you better be fast

[rigid pilot]

Just like what 99% of people are doing to get A.S.S.

[austere badger]

Ah, no wonder so many "crashes" on auric today.

[rigid pilot]

Yea it's 🥱

[split sapphire]

Yo

[winter grove]

It's good

[slow sky]

i win

[cedar abyss]

Need a pro knife user to tell me what goes where on which knife 😩

[winter grove]

Why does every knife you use have worse first target

[bitter turtle]

first target is probably

the most important knife stat

just so you know

[cedar abyss]

Dayum

So I still have to work on my knives!?

At least i have 3 IV traits now.. annd good ones?

[slow sky]

first target is just damage stat no. 2

uncanny strike is literally the best blessing

not just on knife, but in the game

precognition is pretty good if youre good at reliably dodge dancing

[somber axle]

Well there are funny people like me who pick a weapon based on feel rather than form. Is the Recon VId a noob trap? Yes. She can still put in funny numbers in Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet with a weird amount of effort. If someone likes how a gun looks, sounds and feels then I recommend they try it tbh. It's not as though they will be a liability to the team running it instead of other weapons. If people run nothing but optimal/meta, that is their choice. But if a weapon can perform fine in higher difficulties, other weapons being better doesn't take that away either

And the Columnus Braced Autogun can do fine in my experience too

To play a game for fun

😌

Though yeah it is weird that the gun was designed with nothing to make it stand out vs the two other Braced Autogun variants

[little path]

is the VId the lower damage one or the higher damage one

[junior needle]

Well there are funny people like me who pick a weapon based on feel rather than form
Yes, I'm aware. I'm saying weapons should be balanced properly so that you can pick a weapon you like and not have it be noticeably, objectively worse.

You don't exactly have terribly high standards however

Given what you primarily use

[somber axle]

VId has the same damage as the Mk II but fastest fire rate. VIIa has the slowest fire rate but compensates by having the highest per shot damage and a small amount of laser cleave through targets. VIIa burns 2 ammo per shot vs the II and VIId both only burning 1 ammo per shot though. But also the VIIa has better modifiers toward most damage unless you juice the hell out of the Mk VId and then the VId can kill Crushers in like 2 seconds LMFAO

[junior needle]

VId has the same damage
Not quite, the 2 technically does more damage per ammo used/shot even with rending

But its fire rate to damage is so low it's never worth taking

Because the dps is abysmal

[somber axle]

My standards are barely above rock bottom tbh. I only turn my nose up at the Recon Mk II and Shredder Autopistol but I want to revisit them and give them both proper tries. Experiment with talent builds to see what they can do. I hated the Lawbringer and rated it as the second worst gun in the game until I went back to give it a genuine try. I thought the Lawbringer was bad because someone told me it was and I am gullible tbh. I beat Make Every Shot Count with the Lawbringer legitimately without cheese. She's a good gun Bront

[junior needle]

Shotguns are meme weapons currently and could use a mechanical overhaul

[somber axle]

Is it modifiers to armour? I could swear in the menu they both do 60 damage per shot at 80% damage cap stat

[junior needle]

Look at the inspect screen and press v

You will see

[somber axle]

I cannot because I am at work

[junior needle]

It is indeed modifiers

[somber axle]

In 2 hours I can though

[junior needle]

The 2 has a 120% modifier to unarmored for example

[somber axle]

Ok so it is modifiers

The weapons screen is so funny

[junior needle]

Yes. The difference isn't very big with rending taken into account however.

[somber axle]

Gotta look at inspect and even that doesn't tell the whole story of a weapon

[junior needle]

But it does do more damage per shot because it doesn't have the 6d's omegascuffed modifiers

[little path]

I thought the recon guns overall were pretty bad

[junior needle]

They are

[little path]

and the only real build was with infernus for burn

[somber axle]

Bad is subjective in this case tbh

[junior needle]

They're all universally undertuned, and rely entirely on the talent tree for anything approaching acceptable performance

[little path]

I uuuh

don't think it is

cuz like

[junior needle]

If you lower your standards enough nothing is bad

[little path]

the kantreal lasguns are pretty good

[somber axle]

I'd say the Recon Mk VIIa is roughly on par with the Kantrael XII for kill potential. The Recon Mk VId is surprisingly good in TTK on targets while having an impressive ammo economy through crit stacking, crit strings and Shock Trooper

But like

I am at work

I cannot do my whole explanation

I have to do my job every so often between checking this chat LMFAO

[little path]

isn't the mk12 kantrael the worst one?

[somber axle]

If you poke me in 2 hours I can explain my clownery

[little path]

the Ia and the other one are considered better now right?

[somber axle]

Mg1a has better DPS

Mk XII can hit 1 tap breakpoints with funny builds on most targets but is slower firing

Mg1a will still outperform it though because it can probably fire 3 shots in the time it takes the XII to fire 1

[junior needle]

1a hits most breakpoints the xii can

[somber axle]

Mk IV is carpal tunnel speed run gun unless you use a mod to autoclick

Then the Mk IV is basically just a Recon tbh (but with better modifiers to most targets)

[little path]

the mk4 does like

triple the recon's damage doesn't it?

[junior needle]

Worth noting, the 6d has absolutely abysmal ammo efficiency by default and relies heavily on talent tree juice and a rather ridiculous amount of effort to salvage it

[somber axle]

Mk IV to my knowledge is still not capable of being juiced into anti-armour status like the VId can be but then I have never experimented with it personally because I like having functioning hands and I do not want to mod the game anymore than Scoreboard tbh

[junior needle]

Sneaky runs a very weird build with a very weird playstyle trying to save the gun from itself

[somber axle]

Yes

I am a very funny creature

[little path]

the mk4 can just bodyshot flak

[somber axle]

Do not follow what I do

I do what I do well and I do it happily

[little path]

carapace neither can kill unless you build infernus

and stack burn

[somber axle]

Very few others would willingly want to do the same

[junior needle]

You don't want to use infernus on ilas

But you need your melee for carapace

[somber axle]

Recon VId can kill Crushers in like 2-3 seconds

While using only 10-13 ammo

[junior needle]

Where's your disclaimer

[somber axle]

And doesn't need a stim to do it

My disclaimer was what I said before

And also what you said before

But to go into more detail

[junior needle]

If you use a gigajuice psyk warrior setup with stamina stacking and deadshot then you can achieve those numbers with a +carapace perk by virtue of rending stacking.

It is not necessarily representative of all around performance

Because that gun flies through stamina extremely fast

[somber axle]

To do what I do you would need:

1. Three Stamina curios
2. Deadshot, Duck and Dive, Focus Target + Target Down
3. Onslaught and Rending Strikes
4. Executioner's Stance
5. An unrealistic level of a lack of self preservation instinct to throw yourself into the Frontline, bait shots at your paper skin glass bones body without any addtional toughness or HP from curios to help you survive, then dodge to make Duck and Dive help keep your Stam high for Deadshot strings
6. hyperfixate on your Stam bar and when Focus Target + Target Down with Duck and Dive are not enough during longer firefights to keep Deadshot rolling alternate into hip fire until you can regen some Stam back

That should tell you some of why I am a clown LMFAO

Also brb I need to do some work before the end of my work day

[junior needle]

Exe alone costs both you and your team a large amount of survivability

So that's very much a hard mode setup

[somber axle]

Yeah but it's fun

Though yes definitely a hard mode build

Again this is a warning to not follow in my footsteps because my shoes have clown bells and they jingle to make sure Nurgle knows where I am at all times

You will suffer if you do

Some who have tried definitely did LMFAO

[junior needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DD_NCM_RJs

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/sims-new-vegas-fallout-new-vegas-fallout-jingle-jangle-jingle-dancey-dance-gif-5945271315277965343

[junior needle]

To give you an idea of the baseline dps difference between recons and iag's

[short sinew]

columnus go brrrr

[drifting oak]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[crude fiber]

fire barrells dont count. this is the new 1,000,000 kills

[last parcel]

i refuse to acknowledge this penance

[crude fiber]

mabe you can farm it in lower difficulties so enemies actually die from barrel explosions without riding on top of them

[unreal bone]

Man I really try not to be toxic.

But I swear to GOD man people suck actual dog ass at this game whenever I play.

Like I don't say anything to people ingame but

these mfers I get paired with are so incompetent.

[last parcel]

sorry sweaty but i need that ammo 💅

ah fuck i blew myself off the ledge

[somber axle]

We really do show the bottom and the top of the weapons to people everytime they ask huh? LMFAO

Though like watching a group do a talentless grey weapon only auric damnation run looked really silly and stressful

But it's really funny that it's possible

[last parcel]

🍆

[somber axle]

I wonder if Smiteker might be the best to try for something like that? Lure a poxwalker Horde next to a barrel, Smite them up a bit, then shoot/stab barrel and Smite them up again to keep them in place until the barrel detonated

Smite ticks weakening the poxwalkers plus keeping them in position until the barrel pops

Plus there's that talent node for making enemies take more damage while they're under the effects if Smite but idk if that applies to barrel explosions

[finite hawk]

matchmaking doing its job then

[somber axle]

I think it is a big wave of returning players/new players who really want the new cosmetics so they're diving into difficulties they're maybe not prepared for with builds haphazardly thrown together to allow them to get progress on penances even if the talent build synergizes poorly. Some people queueing into Damnation and Auric are definitely praying to be carried just to get the penance for completing that mission type on that difficulty LMFAO

[last parcel]

are you telling me that a 2% damage pistol isnt good

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[somber axle]

The wildest thing was seeing someone ask about Camo Stance

I mean no disrespect to the guy at all. It was just surreal seeing someone asking about a launch day talent so many patches later

I took a massive hiatus and completely missed the brief 21 day period Recons were extra silly before they were nerfed but wow

[last parcel]

wildest thing i’ve seen is someone saying they just trusted a fart before disconnecting

[somber axle]

ohmygosh

Ok hold on wildest thing I have seen in a game was

I joined into a late match and have no idea how they accomplished this

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

It's honestly impressive

[last parcel]

[crude fiber]

gonna make a barrel build. hold a weapon with plus unarmored and infested damage and hope that affects barrel damage. play zeealot for extra 20% infested damage. what else?

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[hasty osprey]

Thoughts on this roll?

I feel like it all looks pretty decent, damage is a bit low but I haven't felt like it's done me dirty in damnation difficulty

[crude fiber]

swap crit chance for elite or maniac damage, depending on whether or not you can 1 shot flamers

[lilac kayak]

most pubs lobbys in auric are actually decent if not really good imo so far for me

[burnt raven]

depends if people are playing with a "meta" or rushing to get it done for the penance. I've mostly had bad luck with any class thats running a meta build

[lilac kayak]

a meta build can only carry a pub so far.

[last parcel]

oh no please dont a kill me

[grizzled pebble]

Back against the wall!

[last parcel]

nooo i a have a family

[grizzled pebble]

Some meta builds make clutching very easy though. Like knife zealot outrunning every thing.

[lilac kayak]

using certain builds as a crutch will not aid u in the long run if u don't work on your core dodging / shoving / blocking skills

[grizzled pebble]

Tru this is why I'm in sedition.

[lilac kayak]

Remember before patch 13 before class rework on vets? Them vets using exec command as if they were playing Call of duty with the shredder

[burnt raven]

only decent crutch is stealth builds, but half the time I never see them used for anything except rushing ahead to kill specials, rather then use it to revive

[grizzled pebble]

I remember
https://youtu.be/TSnm_btS5i8

[lilac kayak]

Stealth build is very very good for speed running obj as well

[lilac kayak]

the sweet old days

[grizzled pebble]

I prefer sustain fire bolter back then tho

Double mag dump

75% power from pinning fire

[somber axle]

Stealth is very safe. In trouble? No you're not. Someone else in trouble? No they're not. You can win every situation by being a coward

Voice of Command Vet goes down? Stealth, underhand lob 2 shredder nades, revive them safely

They can scream and go back to fighting after you're finished being the hide and seek master to get them off their knees

[terse idol]

Stealth and Smoke revive
safe

[somber axle]

Ok hear me out

Exe Stance and Smoke

The build that says "Good luck everyone else" LMFAO

[lilac kayak]

u see most stealth user don't have a brain. They don't know when to back off when things get too hot.

[somber axle]

Stealth has a lot more nuance to it be to be fair

Voice of Command used on CD is obvious

The average Vet doesn't need to think about it, just hit it on repeat

[faint beacon]

I’ve only met one vet who unironically ran revive shout

[somber axle]

I main White Mage in FF14 so I know about maining something braindead just because it feels comfy to just turn off brain

[faint beacon]

Look I love the idea of it but compared to the other and its downside? It’s tragically lackluster

[somber axle]

Sometimes you just wanna go head empty no thoughts

[faint beacon]

That’s literally my HH build lmao

[somber axle]

People just wanna win games and meta builds are meta because they're so strong they can kinda carry people through things they wouldn't be able to handle otherwise

[lilac kayak]

me when I can't be a good pysker without using 50% more brain power compared to the other 3 classes

[faint beacon]

Unbelievably effective against gunner trains

[somber axle]

It's how I did smoke penance and I loved it tbh

[faint beacon]

I might honestly look into making a joke build on the side that makes the revive shout work as efficiently as possible

[somber axle]

I just went Surge Psyker because I like how low effort it is but not like Smiteker that feels like a snoozefest

And bad Smitekers are so funny to see in quickplay

Just nothing but Smite forever

And hope someone else kills everything g

[crude fiber]

make sure to always revive someone downed in fire

[topaz lance]

fair and balanced

[last parcel]

i love smiting 2 poxwalkers until they die

[grizzled pebble]

Yes just press f and walk forward. Something crazy like 80% toughness reduction when you're in volley fire.

[somber axle]

I have one better. Infiltrate into a downed squadmate surrounded by Crushers spamming overheads into them. Do not kill Crushers. Do not use a Grenade. Begin revive while stealth. Look your squadmate in the eyes and let them know the Crushers hold the axe but you are the one who is really getting the killing blow

[weak hamlet]

Just did auric runs, both unloading the plasma gun and the colomnus, doesn't look like the survivalist nerf did anything

[topaz lance]

exe stance, smoke and the node that highlights targets for the whole team is an interesting combination

[somber axle]

(Do not do this LMFAO)

[last parcel]

too late

the ogryn was very sad about it

[lilac kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

[somber axle]

"The ogryn was" could be the end of the sentence too tbh

[somber axle]

Yes LMFAO

[grizzled pebble]

That kick was personal.

[somber axle]

I have watched one Vet revive a Psyker immediately to their death. It's even funnier if the Vet does this while a sniper beam is trained on a downed team mate. Just completely obvious while the sniper waits to finish them off the second they stand up

[grizzled pebble]

GTFO of ma face

[weak hamlet]

I wish there was FF for people who revive you in the fire

Because I'd unload my colomnus into them the second I'm back up

[last parcel]

bro’s handing out backshots by the dozen

[unreal bone]

They're all braindead for me.

And I'm not even running the most op build I could be

I'm purposely using an accatran recon lasgun because I love them and still outperforming my teammates by a mile

[lilac kayak]

uh what difficulty u normally run?

[unreal bone]

auric damn auric mael

[lilac kayak]

damnation? auric damnation?

[lilac kayak]

Hmm unlucky I guess since theres alot more players coming back to DT.

Auric playerbase will slowly go back to normal after a month tbh

[somber axle]

Is it weird to hear that it works because it does and tbh with the wave of returning/new players jumping into higher difficulties it's honestly not a stretch to outperform people running meta builds while using something funny like the Recon

Someone with better situational awareness, map knowledge, better understanding of target priority and a much better handle on melee fundamentals can leave someone running a meta build with less skill in all of the above in the dust

[faint beacon]

Pan back to the clip of the zealot (he didn’t know any better don’t flame him) reviving me in fire whilst 3 bursters pile drive onto me whilst I’m on final wound

[lilac kayak]

???, what I was talking about earlier was how I am surprised he hasn't been getting a single decent teammates in auric so far.

[light yarrow]

I need some space marine inspired drip on my vet to feel buff

[scenic vapor]

Might be because decent ones play with other decent ones in partys of 4 on vc or something.

[unreal bone]

nah fuck that

I'll just put on arguably the most op build in the game

and carry harder

a surgical handcannon revolver shout veteran

[odd sparrow]

Big agree skill is generally a bigger factor than the build. Players who can survive on their when they are left alone for 2 seconds is way more signifcant than whether their potential dps is 2000 or 3000.

[unreal bone]

Bro I can survive completely on my own 🤷

All I need is the red commissar hat.

[somber axle]

OH WHOOPS

my mistake I just got off work and I am in zombie mode

I'm already a clown and now I'm in maximum goofy time

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

[somber axle]

LMFAO rip
though sometimes I swear those poxbursters are taking stealth training classes because they somehow remain quiet until they're in melee range

memories of WoW Fel Reaver, despite being giant and loud, somehow randomly appearing directly behind me ready to kill

[somber axle]

Yeah exactly potential DPS is fun to speculate on in terms of math and number crunching but it really comes down to if the player can hit that potential or not. A dead player's potential DPS is 0

I decided to try out that medic build

[scenic vapor]

Poxbursters have only 2 modes one is stealth commando and the other is conga line

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-tf2medic-practice-medicine-evil-gif-22434393

[somber axle]

one of our team mates left late in the match and the Psyker joined in late

but it felt REALLY fun running around slamming through hordes and quick firing the laspistol at specials/elites

occasionally pause to throw krak at bulwarks/crushers

resume blender mode

[scenic vapor]

what weapons?

[somber axle]

I do not have Reassuringly Accurate IV yet unfortunately

but it felt like it worked well tbh

Mk II Laspistol is surprisingly pin-point accurate (or at least it felt that way) for clicking heads at mid-range

[scenic vapor]

if it works it works

[somber axle]

so I could easily alternate back and forth between hip fire and aim down sights for Deadshot forcing crit spam to regen toughness to the squad

the 2 deaths were when a few people would get cocky and run off way too far ahead of the team

then crushers and bulwarks split us apart and no one can reach them to save them

gotta stay in range of the healer or I can't help

I was tempted to try Focus Target with Target Down but thought it would be funnier to go into Weapon Specialist to double down on berserker gameplay

10% melee attack speed from Trench Fighter Drill

Weapon Specialist giving a ton of ranged weapon attack speed too

whirlwind of blood MEDICINE

[scenic vapor]

might try it maby just change it a bit to fit my playstyle better

[somber axle]

numbers cat has a funny plasma medic build somewhere too if you prefer plasma

[scenic vapor]

nah if we talking big weapons im a bolter guy

but wanned to try laspistol

[last parcel]

my version of that uses MF with tunnel vision

[somber axle]

Laspistol is very fun

[last parcel]

i have no idea if im actually helping

[somber axle]

Tunnel Vision and Out for Blood with Born Leader and Covering Fire could make for some really funny coherency wide squad toughness regen

[scenic vapor]

but ill play any weapon thay are all cool thats why i have a build for most of the weapons no the game

[last parcel]

that was the idea

[scenic vapor]

(only on vet tho)

[last parcel]

i just never looked at my team’s toughness while using it

[somber axle]

WoW raiding and FF14 raiding has taught me to glance at healthbars during fights

MMO healing brain activate

though this is much easier since I just sorta passively exist around people, kill things, and if people get low hit Voice of Command

[scenic vapor]

Voice of Command my beloved

[somber axle]

generally I don't like to use Voice of Command but as a team medic it feels fun

now if only we could get a cosmetic set that screams "Doctor"

[scenic vapor]

well thay might do like a field medic for vet

for now u can dress as a commissar it kinda forts for screaming and giving peolpe the will to fight (toughness)

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rekt-boi-elmo-shot-execution-gif-15314352

[stoic basalt]

anyone know what the preferred or "good" perks for an Columnus Mk V IA are?

[unreal bone]

damn bro getting to the 4500 penance points needed for the cool blue outfit

is a fking slog

My progress has grinded to a halt near 3500 3600 points I forget where I'm at

[dire olive]

Would certainly help if some weren't bugged

[thorn lark]

#veteran-class message

[unreal bone]

The only bugged one I've seen is the

kill poxbursters with nobody taking damage

[golden mirage]

I wonder next update what nerf the vet will get

[somber axle]

nerf voice of command tbh

you could increase the CD to 45 sec and people would still main it (though they'd be mad about it too and maybe more mad about it than the Surv Aura nerf)

[stoic basalt]

ty

man I cant wait for them to patch out the rng of buying from the armory

[scenic vapor]

even if it was shit i would still run it i just like how it works

[somber axle]

yeah it's thematically fun and also the most powerful personal AND team survivability tool the Vet has

gold toughness is just so strong

not to mention just teamwide toughness regen

also weird question

what's the Vet's stam regeneration delay number at

is it overkill to take both of the stam regen delay nodes in the talent tree?

the one here and

the one here

stam begins regen immediately after I stop sprinting, shooting with Deadshot, etc.

but is using both bad?

nevermind I found it

assuming this is accurate it cuts the stam regen delay down to 0.5 seconds

very funny

[sharp ember]

yea

a little overkill to dip into the right tree

it can be reasonably sacrificed to get other goodies

but .5 delay is very funny for devil claw shenanigans

[somber axle]

don't worry on this particular clown build I have the aura I want, the ability I want, the keystone I want and even grenade regen

the points are scattered in weird ways to get rending strikes/onslaught

and deadshot

and shock trooper

it's the Recon Mk VId build again but I'm toying with where I want points again

was just curious if both stam regen nodes are unnecessary

[thorn lark]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094038976

[somber axle]

ok so it is 1 sec by default

a second source to verify the info from the other thing I found is good

thank you 😄

that's also a neat Vet guide too

[thorn lark]

basically one node + some stam regen on your curios make you zealot lvl

add a stam curio and you're set

[sharp ember]

.75 is plenty for most, depends on how much deadshotting you wanna do

[somber axle]

oh I have all stam curios with all stam regen

it is very silly

[sharp ember]

.5 it is then

infinite cardio

[somber axle]

the Vet that never tires

[thorn lark]

before p13 i was running 6 stam + 36 stam regen

and not deadshot

[somber axle]

stam is just really useful overall

[thorn lark]

just for not getting rekt in melee

[somber axle]

having stam for blocks, shoving, pulling off a revive without having it interrupted by two poxwalkers, etc.

[thorn lark]

yep

[somber axle]

and SPRINTING

gotta keep up with the knife Zealots

[thorn lark]

on zealot i use 24 or 36 stam regen depending on the build

[unreal bone]

ez pz

[somber axle]

neat

congrats

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-dance-rave-dancing-pedro-gif-12980208777396115333

[somber axle]

I want the Ring Master title

people need to know I am the head clown of my own circus

[unreal bone]

how do u get ring master

[somber axle]

Carnival

lemme share

gotta do all these

it's really just doing the carnival over and over again tbh

just gotta run it 45 more times

🥹

[grand perch]

Don't farm missions, really

[somber axle]

I don't

[grand perch]

Don't ruin your fun

[somber axle]

I quickplay generally

so this is going to take a very long time to get

but Ring Master is the only title I really want tbh

Cyber-Falcon sounds cool too though

Archivum Sage for my Psyker

and those ones are all just mission specific

man

reading that steam guide posted earlier

I always forget this exists

[frank ether]

I did this two days ago

[somber axle]

your team mate:

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-monster-cookie-broken-leg-shrek-monster-gif-16642686

[frank ether]

I died too xD

[grand perch]

i blew someone off a ledge by reviving him next to a burning barrel

[unreal bone]

Ogryn players really got robbed this patch

ngl

[somber axle]

The Surv Aura nerf feels like it is more trouble for Gunlugger Ogryn than Vet tbh

[unreal bone]

No not that

I mean for cosmetics

[somber axle]

OH

Idk Elysian stuff looks solid

Unless you mean the penance cosmetics

[unreal bone]

This was the helmet in the files forever.

Instead they got an ugly balaclava and mask no helmet..

[somber axle]

That's being saved for later afaik

No idea how much later

[unreal bone]

Of course it is.

Probably 2026

Idk man I just get annoyed with fartshart

They always add an outfit and almost make it perfect but mess it up somehow

[vivid silo]

I use both for when I'm running the Mk IV Chain Axe, so I can use push attacks has much as neccesary. But other than Deadshot funsies it's probably overkill.

[near sable]

nothing quite like it

[unreal bone]

omg wait a minute

I finally have a use for my warhammer fest helmet

[near sable]

i can't believe it actually works

i never thought that thing would work with anything

skulls helmet looked okay for a while when it was bugged and had nothing on it

[untold mulch]

Sees new box of like Darktide board game

Vet with Hellgun (or is a volleygun?) and Kasrkin armor

they can't keep getting away with this

[balmy flume]

I am equally upset but for a different reason.
All four minis are just recycled minis.

Didn’t even try to be original, or like, have Darktide relevant designs.

Also imagine if Darktide Zealots have access to that flamer/eviscerator combo weapon without needing to swap.

[near sable]

imagine if I could have my one handed ranged weapon with my one handed sword

[balmy flume]

That too!

[near sable]

imagine if there was a bolt pistol

[balmy flume]

Bolt pistol with Power Sword.

Can finally be a properly upgraded squad sergeant 🤣

[near sable]

bolt pistol with a force sword

[balmy flume]

If psykers have access to it, yes.

[near sable]

that'd hopefuly be the implication

i threw on an agrippina auto on my psyker not so long ago and haven't looked back

[balmy flume]

If I ever get bored of Vet might train up a Gunker that I hear about nowadays.

[near sable]

they pop heads very brutally

[burnt raven]

Did you unlock the armor?

[agile forge]

IAG? Haven't seen many people use the AIAG yet tbh

[near sable]

mine's a doozie but ofc it's on my psyker

[agile forge]

I guess it gets blocked less by well-meaning friendly ogryn cosplaying as walls?

Compared with CIAG

[near sable]

it can and will shoot through em so it's a pleasure

[topaz lance]

soon(tm)

[near sable]

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((tm))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[hot canopy]

Pretty sure there’s a model for one in the files but don’t know if it’ll ever get used

[hardy ember]

Please tell me where getting a hellgun for vet because the miniature has one

[woeful galleon]

I'll say this for the sake of avoiding plausible disappointment.
Maybe eventually, but not at all because of the model.
All models in that set are just recycled stuff from either the standard tabletop or other gamesets, that Vet is just a kasrkin from the kasrkin squad.

[trim hemlock]

There is no hellgun in Ba Sing Se on Atoma

[woeful galleon]

So the most probable explanation is just that GW is a bunch of cheap lazy people

Much like the zealot, which even ignoring the unique weapon is wearing a set that is no longer avaiable due to the premium shop's rotations

So if a hellgun does eventually come out i'll be more than glad, but that mini really is nothing like a teaser or plan for the future.

[topaz lance]

I'm pretty sure they'll add a hellgun or something similar at some point since people have been requesting it forever. Not that I'm particularly interested in it, there re enough full auto guns in the game for me already. But it is among the most requested weapon types.

Meanwhile I hope they'll releave the double barrel shotgun family of weapons.

[woeful galleon]

Oh as long as the game stays alive we'll get lots of stuff eventually, I'd love some more guard equipment. I just want to avoid people taking what's is very probably just a shortcut as some sort of teaser.

Bluntly, nothing's announced until it is literally announced.

[idle swallow]

I must admit going typical guardsman with infantry lasgun and chainsword is satisfying, especially with all the damage you can layer on top of deadly accurate

[woeful galleon]

It is quite fun, just standard sergeant gear is simple and effective

I'm hoping for some of the heavier officer equipment mostly because of me wanting to make my silly OCs accurately, but still, stuff like hotshots and powerfists would be quite a dream to see in the game.

[vague smelt]

Flak 25 and Maniac 25?

Don't mind if I do

[trim hemlock]

stability dumpstat

[vague smelt]

Could be worse

[trim hemlock]

A nice one, though

[serene bough]

is good

[vague smelt]

This is the current Columnus I have

Which is worse

Fun fact, I don't have Dum Dum and FireFrenzy III/IV to rebless it

[balmy flume]

[message unclear, they release a double barrel shotgun…weapon skin.]

[woeful galleon]

That'd be fun just to see how fucked the reload animation is

[balmy flume]

The real question is, will it be more or less fucked than Suicide Squad KTJL’s shell casing ejecting from a revolver…

[woeful galleon]

Wait, is that a thing?

Because that's amazing

I've barely aknowledged that game even existed, so I had no idea

[balmy flume]

In the one highly infamous and contentious cutscene where ||Harley offs Bats with a headshot with her revolver||, they animated a shell ejecting from the revolver.

(I don’t have the game but I am the weird type that watches cutscenes of games I don’t plan to play like movies)

[woeful galleon]

Truly wonderful, the fact it isn't even just a weird interaction between a weapon and a badly thought skin makes it even better.

Not saying more about it so I don't spoil stuff myself, but damn.

Game design at its finest.

[balmy flume]

Well I am glad I brought some ROFLs for your day XD

[normal spruce]

How important is toughness regen perks for curios for Veterans?

[serene bough]

not particularly worth while

stam regen is definitely worthwhile

[normal spruce]

Cool, I have two that I got without refining them, do you recommend having one 30% toughness regen on curio slots? What curio perks are generally recommended?

[serene bough]

i dont recommend toughness regen bc its for toughness regen within coherency and not for any other toughness related perks like confirmed kill or exhilarating takedown

i personally go with stamina regen and block efficiency

sprint efficiency is also nice as well

[normal spruce]

Thanks, what about 5% toughness?

[serene bough]

not a bad option if you want to maximize toughness

i run 2 stam 1 THP curio and i have 5% toughness on my THP curio

[normal spruce]

So Stamina is important for vets, alright will focus on that, my curios are 2 toughness %+ and one health, probably not optimal

[serene bough]

stam is good for defense, but also some builds/weapons use stamina for DPS via deadshot

in my case, i use the mk6 knife in which spamming push attacks is good for single target damage, hence I take more stamina

vet lacks a lot of passive survivability so I like to invest in stamina and THP

[normal spruce]

Rampage + sweep Chainsword wouldn't use too much stamina right? I also have a weakspot crit damage focused infantry lasgun, but don't use deadshot

[heavy hollow]

Stam is also great for "Stripped down IV" blessing in combination with "Duck and Dive" you can essentially just sprint through firing lines.

Probably the most fun I've had on vet.

[serene bough]

no but if your stamina pool is small and you find you're running out of stamina quickly in melee you may want to consider switching to a 3+ stam curio

[normal spruce]

I have a 3+ max stamina transcendant curio in my inventory, I will be replacing the max health curio with it, thanks for the advice

[umbral scaffold]

3+ stamina goes crazy

[heavy hollow]

Stam is criminally underrated as well as the stamina buffs from curious, don't need damage resist if I can simply sprint away or shove the problem and not take damage in the first place

[inland orchid]

ive tried runnin from my problems, then a stealth crusher peeks around the corner with his concrete ready

[heavy hollow]

These things happen but technically you sprinted away from the first problem.... right into another problem.

[inland orchid]

factual

[heavy hollow]

Just run voice of command and a combat knife and relish in the fact that anything you can't dodge can be screamed at

[agile forge]

Bear in mind that some +3 stamina curios are a trap

[heavy hollow]

Something about being a regular human with what is essentially a toothpick to a crusher, watching him rear up for an overhead, and just yelling at him just hits different

[agile forge]

If it has a base rating of 75, it's actually only giving +2

[agile forge]

See also: one shotting Crushers with a folding shovel

[heavy hollow]

Yeah real

Also I hate you for telling me the Stam curio thing cause now I feel the overwhelming urge to go directly home and check mine

[agile forge]

If you didn't laugh the first time that you did that, then you don't have a soul.

[heavy hollow]

I love the shovel but by new found love for the combat knife is the best, ducking and diving around a crusher and sinking my knife into his weak points is just peak vet

[tardy plaza]

I didn't laugh, I was just surprised

I was like 'what the fuck just happened'

[heavy hollow]

Man said 🗿

[tardy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/oooh-meme-omg-shoked-gif-4848824542608274456

i saw my life change before my eyes

[heavy hollow]

I imagine my vet just climbing all over a crusher like an absolute crazy person just stabbing at anything fleshy

[amber cliff]

Darktides models and especially our chaos gaurd models would have been amazing. I actually would have bought the minis (as a tide game only person) if they were unique

[heavy hollow]

It's always darkest before the tide

It's tiding time

[normal spruce]

For real? Mine has a base rating of 75

[agile forge]

Commiserations

[normal spruce]

Why does this game have so many item/talent tree related jank lol

[agile forge]

I think it's a rounding error

Maybe it gives like 2.95 which the display rounds to the nearest 0.1 and then rounds down to the nearest 1, but the game just rounds down.

Or some other silly jank

[normal spruce]

I replaced it with 20%+ health instead, will keep it that way till it gets fixed or I find one with better base score, thanks for heads up.

[bitter turtle]

tO sToP mInMaXiNg - fatshark

[heavy hollow]

I will minmax and they can't stop me

No amount of stupid math can stop me because I'm bad at math

[umbral flower]

Agreed, which was the reason i was using Plasma Gun for that specific Mealstrom bc before the update you could just spam like crazy and not having to care about ammo lol so yeah i think its not that bad of a nerf tbh when testing in that Mealstrom

Zealot being like: Teammates? Nah uhh

Possibly

[balmy flume]

“I liked the bit where it started to go Dark and we Tided all over the place”

[bitter turtle]

Or just leave it as is

Or delete the cancerous aura

[heavy hollow]

"Every dark has its tide"

A personal favorite of mine is when I join games and the chat lights up with "holy crap it's John Darktide" and I just respond with "Tyde" or "Camdia"

"Lasmgum"

[umbral flower]

That's probably what Fatshark will do lol

[heavy hollow]

Honestly they should just make vets other auras more competitive

5% on both of them is basically nothing

Like it's nice but man survivalist is so good for me

[tiny summit]

They should just let every class regain ammo off elite/special melee kills

[heavy hollow]

Or.....make it an inate vet passive but just for the vet and replace survivalist, keeps vet as being the shooty gun class and stops other classes from having functionally infinite ammo

Maybe make the new aura share ammo pickups to allies in coherency

[radiant chasm]

That wouldn’t work if you look around any other class aura. 5% damage is better than psyker’s elites and movement speed is hard to quantify but it is at least average compared to the other classes

[tiny summit]

I'm a fan of innate or getting rid of it. It being an aura choice is just terrible. 5% dmg/movement vs free ammo from doing what I'm gonna have to do?

[radiant chasm]

Survivalist was/is just that game warping

[tiny summit]

Some reason fatshark wants to hold onto it so much. Instead of making a sensible ammo economy they just decide "fine. We don't know how to balance it so we can only think nerfing it"

I think team comps w/o vet should be able to get a teeny amount of ammo back.

[radiant chasm]

Yea it shouldn’t exist and ammo drops and/or even reserve ammo should be buffed for it

[tiny summit]

Maybe how the aura works now as innate to every class off elite/specials kill with melee

[heavy hollow]

I think making it exclusive to vet and making his new aura be something like 5% more reload speed could be good

Or something that helps weapon handling

[tiny summit]

But hey this inelegant nerf as stupid as I think it is actually does bring the ammo economy down a lil where I actually need to watch ammo sometimes

[hearty panther]

10% ranged headshot damage

Honestly that some people are still coping that they'll adjust or maybe bring it back in a new form just confirms to me that the best move is fucking deleting it.

[heavy hollow]

That plus marksmans focus and an infantry autogun would be absolutely insane

[radiant chasm]

Gunker and gunlugger rely too hard on survivalist and that would still make vet mandatory. Both classes were hit harder than vet was with this nerf

[hearty panther]

It's a ridiculous ability. Please let it die.

Stop trying to cope and hope over a return.

[tame lodge]

I mean, that would make no ammo maelstrom weird

[idle swallow]

It could be increased ammo gains from map ammo... teammates gonna get mad tho if you ain't nearby

[tiny summit]

Don't really care. You added a vet to no ammo maelstrom and everyone had ammo

[tame lodge]

Fair enough

[elder fiber]

gunker and glugger don't need survivalist if they have actual ammo management

[tiny summit]

If a single class already "broke" the maelstrom the maelstrom was bad then or the ammo economy due to the aura was bad

[tame lodge]

Still haven't played one with the new surv aura

[elder fiber]

so rip off the bandaid imo and make them deal with it instead of expect a vet to adjsut their build around them

[tiny summit]

It's still good. Just can't be as ignorant will ammo. You regain significantly less but also its still free ammo throughout a run

[elder fiber]

like I just finished a game on glugger with 3 zealols, while having to at least sometimes magdump hordes to finish that dogshit ogryn penance and we still didn't have major ammo problems b/c 1: I can melee and 2: know how to share

[radiant chasm]

Good for u

[tiny summit]

I played no ammo maelstrom as zealot with a brauto. Conserved my ammo for snipers, trappers and bombers. Managed to not empty my ammo until the end. We had no vet

[radiant chasm]

What i said was gunlugger and gunker were hit harder by the survivalist nerf than it was to veteran

[elder fiber]

good, kill survivalist so if there's actual problems those can be dealt with too

[radiant chasm]

Had a veteran join no ammo maelstrom with damage aura, okay maybe he just doesn’t want to break the gamemode. Dude is running revolver and goes red 25% into the map and starts spam pinging Ammo

[tiny summit]

Fatshark are cowards for not deleting surv

[elder fiber]

But I really don't have problems on gunker or blugger unless its like, multiple gluggers who can't melee and this isn't a brag or anything

idk multiple times I've seen people join no ammo maelstrom, run red and then realize they didn't even read the modifier lmao

[tiny summit]

Either expected another vet or didn't read the maelstrom

[rigid pilot]

i assume the director(s) really love it

[radiant chasm]

He goes on for 1 minute spamming and then types in chat that we stop stealing ammo from him and we all type “it’s no ammo maelstrom dipshit”

[elder fiber]

like frankly there's no helping certain people

[radiant chasm]

So he puts his 2 braincells together, and dies on purpose

Then when he is rescued

And gets some ammo partially back

He will spend it all and die again

https://tenor.com/view/boom-mind-blown-mind-blowing-eyeglasses-gif-15569009

[tiny summit]

Before this patch had a plasma vet flame me "stupid gunker taking and wasting all the ammo". I picked up only small ammo tins when everyone else was white and they ran past the tins. Basically sustained off his aura. Can't help some people

Need ammo? Just die

[agile forge]

You're playing gunker. Some people just have an irrational bigoted hatred towards gunker users

entirely based on what the turd that sits inside their skull pretending to be a brain tells them

[radiant chasm]

Mostly bad gunkers really but i dont hold that against gunkers i meet

[balmy flume]

“Well screw the mission conditions I CAN’T READ”

[hearty panther]

People hated Gunkers because they were basically just doing what Vets did with Survivalist, but without.

It's like when you finally realize you dislike a parent but it's all for things you yourself do.

It was some deeply insecure shit is what I'm saying, also fuck em

[radiant chasm]

I mean gunker vet larpers are weird but honestly glugger vet larpers are the worse

You are ogryn why are you allergic to melee