Plus I think a lot of people sleep on stagger/suppression tbh. So much so people generally say the silly comment of "why suppress? if I kill it the target is permanently suppressed"
#veteran-class
somber axle
ok kill the entire room in 2 seconds
you can't
but if you spray in the direction of the entire line of gunners and shooters they duck their heads and stop turning the team into swiss cheese
same reason why smokes are so valuable right now
controlling enemies is very important
now that I'm home I kinda wanna test this
rapid palm
so how are you meant to use smoke anyway? ive never really been able to figure it out
somber axle
Exe Stance giving bonus impact could make it really funny to let you just bully Crushers and shove them around from a mile away
dire olive
so how are you meant to use smoke anyway? ive never really been able to figure i...
99p store psyker shield
somber axle
I can kinda already do it with the Agripina Shotgun special slug but if the Mk II with Falter gets to throw Crushers onto their backs I might roll up a new Mk II with WoF/Falter and make it my new gun for bullying Ogryns
rapid palm
99p store psyker shield
any other uses?
somber axle
so how are you meant to use smoke anyway? ive never really been able to figure i...
I'm no expert but like
dire olive
any other uses?
getting the penance 
somber axle
Throw smokes on yourself/your team and you can make every gunner/sniper/reaper/shooter stop firing
you'll save yourself a lot of headache
you can also throw the smoke directly at where the ranged enemies are
rapid palm
ah so its anti shooter
somber axle
it'll suppress them and force them to run out of the smoke
dire olive
Like psyker shield
somber axle
more than anti-shooter tbh
it also confuses any enemy that has lock on attacks
if you're in smoke and a dog is coming your way it'll be unable to leap onto you while you're in smoke
winter grove
Smoke is a psyker shield that is most commonly used for point economy and penance
somber axle
I'm not very experienced with smoke tbh and there are other vets who could tell you more but yeah
Kinda yeah
Psyker shield is very good for stopping enemy ranged but it can't really do anything funny with dogs
also shield is always deployed on the Psyker/Psyker's team
rapid palm
seems kinda pointless sense it also blinds your team from shooting the range enemies its meant to deal with
somber axle
Psyker's are not dropping shields onto the enemy shooters
rapid palm
and phys sheild regens toughness
somber axle
seems kinda pointless sense it also blinds your team from shooting the range ene...
it depends on the team comp but if you're got a melee heavy team comp it will literally force shooters out from behind their cover and into melee with you
they'll run at you and become meat for the grinder
split sapphire
I prefer kraks, tho i'm mainly voice of command now cause of the survivalist nerf. I'd rather be a melee vet now
somber axle
if you have a ranged heavy team it's good for a get out of jail free card if someone decides they want to walk out into the open out of position into the line of fire of every shooter like they're the main character
you can save team mates from dumb mistakes
if someone gets caught out of position you can stop them from dying
shotgunners suddenly appear and begin shredding?
drop smoke
they're going to run in and try their dumb gun bash instead
it has a lot of really good utility tbh
it's just not as obvious as shredders/krak
rapid palm
so throw it at enemy gunlines when they are far away, drop it on your team when they are closer?
split sapphire
Mm hm
somber axle
they'll all wander into the smoke and let your team clean up safely
no one will get pounced
rapid palm
speaking of the survivalist nerf, does everyone on the team have a seperate cooldown for it or is it literaly only once every 5 seconds for everyone?
tall torrent
so how are you meant to use smoke anyway? ive never really been able to figure i...
Throw it at ranged enemy so they scatter and try to re-establish LoS or continue firing on ur last known location
Throw it at ur own location to become concealed, which makes melee very safe since u won’t be getting shot at
Even if you get pushed out of smoke, it still acts as a “wall” to break ranged enemies’ LoS
Conceal status also makes specialists that require lock-on to start their attacks be a bit dumber, very noticeable with flamers, mutants & hounds
It’s basically Psyker’s shield on 60s cooldown (instead of 40s) but u get 3 charges (instead of 1) with more cast range (since it’s a thrown grenade)
Base version lasts 15s which is usually enough to buy time for repositioning in a pinch
With tinkerer it lasts 30s which will last longer than Psyker’s shield (30s > 25s) and basically be a safety net for melee
somber axle
you can have MUCH longer duration on a smoke cloud than a psyker shield too with 1 min nade regen and tinkerer
double duration smokes last 30 seconds
tall torrent
TLDR, it’s a defense-orientated utility tool with some offense related functions if you want to get creative
Also it stops ranged enemies from firing, this includes shotgunners
If you’re in let’s say Hab Dreyko new final event where there’re tons of gunner & shotgunner spawns, it can be incredibly useful
rapid palm
yeah I get it
somber axle
so if you have tinkerer for 30 sec smoke, grenadier for +1 reserve grenade, demo stockpile for 1 min nade regen and a full compliment of 4 smokes you can have
1st nade: 30 sec
2nd nade: 1 min (gain back the 1st nade at end of duration)
3rd nade: 1 min 30 sec
4th nade: 2 min (gain back 2nd nade at end of duration)
5th nade: 3 min 30 sec
6th nade: 4 min (gain back 3rd nade at end of duration)
7th nade: 4 min 30 sec (last nade with 1 min nade regen on CD for another 30 sec)
tall torrent
It’s not for everybody and I wouldn’t take it on every build but it’s not horrible by any means
split sapphire
Nah
tall torrent
It’s more utility than “kill stuff”
rapid palm
I thought smoke was bloody useless tbh
thorn lark
imagine 4 smoke vets
rapid palm
for damnation and auric anyway
somber axle
I think with just 2 vets you could make smoke last near infinite with just 1 min nade regen and tinkerer between them tbh
thorn lark
we went from bubbles to bubbles
split sapphire
I had 4 voice of command vets once
thorn lark
most i had was 2
tall torrent
I think with just 2 vets you could make smoke last near infinite with just 1 min...
1 veteran with tinkerer smoke is enough to cover hordes’ entire duration
rapid palm
is survivalist still the best aura option or is it just as crap as the others now?
somber axle
depends on build
tall torrent
is survivalist still the best aura option or is it just as crap as the others no...
Still best aura, but depending on ur team I don’t think it’s mandatory anymore
thorn lark
depends on point economy at that point tbh
tall torrent
If ur team’s builds don’t need a ton of ammo then I don’t think you have to take it
rapid palm
yeah it seems like it depends on what you get by saving points
thorn lark
(and some guns too probably)
split sapphire
I kinda dislike it now, tho i still get ammo back, the every 5 seconds thing, just screams useless to me
Well mostly
rapid palm
like, what do you get by having more points in exchange for loosing ammo regen
tall torrent
I kinda dislike it now, tho i still get ammo back, the every 5 seconds thing, ju...
It’s a lot less ammo than before but you’re still getting something like 200%+ reserve ammo over the course of a mission
thorn lark
if you play with stubber ogryn and a ciag zealot well, maybe take it
tall torrent
like, what do you get by having more points in exchange for loosing ammo regen
Smoke -> speed aura has the best travel nodes if u ask me
10% melee dmg + agile engagement + 5% crit chance
somber axle
Surv will generally be best aura for ammo econ so if you have a ranged focused playstyle you'll want it 7 times out of 10. The 8th time will be if the 5% damage is helping hit a breakpoint that you need just that tiniest bit of extra damage for but can't get anywhere else. The 9th time will be if you're in a squad with another Vet running Surv aura and they do not stack so there's no reason to double up on Surv aura and it becomes worth to have one of the Vets use Fire Team for 5% more damage (to help on bosses). The 10th time is Karnak Twins/Assassination damage stacking with Focus Target. If you get 8 stack Focus Target and Fire Team you're providing a team wide 37% damage bonus to the target just for pinging it and existing LOL
somber axle
Movement speed aura is a meme unless you're using a melee focused Vet playstyle and even then Surv or Fire Team are probably better
but I really love Move speed aura
you feel so FAST
especially if you use Infiltrate which gives you a big boost of speed while stealthed
last parcel
sanic spid
thorn lark
tall torrent
If ur playing non-Recon lasguns with a team that isn’t very reliant on ammo to kill most enemies, I don’t think survivalist is mandatory
finite imp
Imagine not running 9 Stam knife
hearty panther
yall sleep too hard on movespeed smh
somber axle
well things like Boltgun and Plasma still want it tbh
rapid palm
I really want to have a hybird 50/50 melee ranged build with stealth and the col V autogun, but im not sure its doable
tall torrent
If ur playing stuff like Boltgun/plasma then you def need it
somber axle
Revolver and Shotgun too
it may not be as good as before but they're all weapons that benefit immensely from running Surv aura over any of the others
thorn lark
i do well as a bolter zealot without tho
somber axle
stuff like Braced Autoguns mowing down an entire line of Ragers in 2 seconds will suffer
tall torrent
i do well as a bolter zealot without tho
Yea well most Boltgun zealot mains are really just throwing knife enthusiasts let’s be honest
thorn lark
ok, true
last parcel
cross map tomahawk final killcam
winter grove
Revolver and Shotgun too
Surv nerf didn't affect me with revolver
last parcel
nuketown search and destroy
somber axle
I love checking in on Zealot chat sometimes tbh
the zealot mains are insane and pulling off the whackiest shit
winter grove
Zealot is the "I shouldn't be alive rn" class
tall torrent
Revolver and Shotgun too
Revolver
Yes, although I don’t think it relies on survivalist as much
Shotgun
Yes, although I don’t think you shot it much in the first place even before the nerf
finite imp
That would be epic if those mobs held still
somber axle
Vet chat is very polite and friendly, helpful tips and things. Zealot chat is 90% of the time memeing and occasionally showing off crazy nonsense
thorn lark
throwing knives still get the blessing of your equipped weapon
somber axle
That would be epic if those mobs held still
Is it practical? No. Is it funny? ABSOLUTELY
thorn lark
so manstopper, uncanny...
rapid palm
thats funny cuz when the game came out vet chat was SUPER toxic
tall torrent
thats funny cuz when the game came out vet chat was SUPER toxic
Lore accurate penal legion depiction
somber axle
we can be toxic again if you want
somber axle
idk if I can be toxic
last parcel
gg wp (git gud wet penis)
tall torrent
Should I buy RogueTrader game
somber axle
I remember someone saying they'd fuck my dad in game and I told them to have fun and try to give my dad a child to be proud of this time
double down on the meme and people will stop being toxic every time
rapid palm
yeah they just get confused lol
tall torrent
I remember someone saying they'd fuck my dad in game and I told them to have fun...
The most toxic I’ve been in this game is typing “learn melee pls” in chat to 2 teammates who can’t melee for shit
rapid palm
What edition tho
either of the first two, not the most exepensive one, the game is good, but not over 100 USD good
thorn lark
the most toxic i have been was not taking grenade regen yesterday
somber axle
The most toxic I’ve been in this game is typing “learn melee pls” in chat to 2 t...
I'm only ever toxic behind my screen tbh. Me literally screaming at my screen watching a Zealot get downed for the 4th time to poxwalkers
tall torrent
either of the first two, not the most exepensive one, the game is good, but not ...
So either standard or deluxe?
Is season pass worth it
somber axle
"OH C'MON MAN THOSE ARE JUST POXWALKERS YOU CAN'T BE DYING LIKE THIS"
rapid palm
So either standard or deluxe?
I got deluxe
somber axle
but never type it in chat because gotta be nice
tall torrent
I got deluxe
Is there any major gameplay difference between standard and deluxe
rapid palm
Is there any major gameplay difference between standard and deluxe
aside from a few items that help you early game no
tall torrent
(Also I haven’t rly played any CRPGs ever lol)
last parcel
i remember some guy complaining that we weren't letting him get the rescues even though "he was carrying"
rapid palm
(Also I haven’t rly played any CRPGs ever lol)
Do you like old Xcom? Do you like spending hours pouring over stats to optimized your build? do you like meaningful story choices? if yes of any of those, you will like rouge trader
wise fossil
So either standard or deluxe?
No idea about rogue trader specifically, but Owlcat is notorious for releasing buggy messes that only get fixed 10+ months later
Probably worth waiting on a big sale
tall torrent
Do you like old Xcom? Do you like spending hours pouring over stats to optimized...
I never played XCOM
And I never rly played WH tabletop
I think I’ll like it but I’m not sure if I’ll like it as much as 45CAD +tax
thorn lark
a bit like larian
rapid palm
I was able to finish the game just fine, so its not bethesda level buggy, but yeah there are issue
issues
thorn lark
just buy enhanced edition
tall torrent
I never played XCOM
And I never rly played WH tabletop
I think I’ll like it but ...
Also I’m grinding DT penances when I get time off lol
Need that Moebian 6th drip
somber axle
can you get the Moebian 6th drip without needing to go onto other classes and do their penances
somber axle
like if you get just every single Vet and mission related penance
or do I need to go back to playing my other characters
last parcel
time to do some meth
rapid palm
it seems like its meant to be drip to show off that you got all the achivements/penances
last parcel
errr math
tall torrent
can you get the Moebian 6th drip without needing to go onto other classes and do...
If u had already completed a majority of other classes’ penances before this update, I think u could
rapid palm
but im not sure
tall torrent
However I would strongly suggest u do most of the other classes’ penances
somber axle
If u had already completed a majority of other classes’ penances before this upd...
I had 100% of Vet penances prior to update, 60% of Psyker, 20% of Zealot and idk how many of Ogryn. I think like 30-40%
tall torrent
Because you can only afford to skip 335 points worth of penances (total 4835, u need 4500)
somber axle
oh
tall torrent
And let’s just say that
tall torrent
Killing 1000 enemies by blowing up yellow barrels
somber axle
tall torrent
NOBODY is getting that done in reasonable time lmao
tiny summit
Don't worry about it then 
thorn lark
Killing 1000 enemies by blowing up yellow barrels
i love working for stuff i already did last year but it was not tracked
like 100 auric missions?
ffs
rapid palm
its almost like vidmaster challenges to get recon in OG halo 3, that seems like what FS is trying to do with the mobian cosmetics
tall torrent
There’re some real stinkers like 1k yellow barrel kills, 75 grims, 100 scrips, 500 krak kills, 200 loner backstab kills, etc etc
The fastest way to get a ton of penance points is to run Auric Damnation of every mission
Each mission has 50 points associated
Sedition +5
Uprising +5
Malice +5
Heresy +5
Auric Heresy +10
Damnation +10
Auric Damnation +10
So if u just auric damnation every mission first try
That’s 18 missions x50 each for 900 points total
If u do duos and get martyr’s skulls for each mission that’s also 10 per mission
thorn lark
i had like 100% penances done on 4 characters before the update (or close like 90%)
i started with 2300-2400 i think
tall torrent
If u do duos and get martyr’s skulls for each mission that’s also 10 per mission
So grand total of 1080 for martyr skull + auric damnation of every mission
tall torrent
i started with 2300-2400 i think
Yea I started with 2325
I’m at 3035 rn
thorn lark
did not play a lot since the update and well, had a bunch of people in auric not beling to auric...
winter grove
and what's you build rn?
The build I was making and tweaking with y'all yesterday
With taxe 4
somber axle
hey the new Elysian helmet kinda has a Judge Dredd vibe to it now that I have time to look at it properly
tall torrent
Outdamaged the zealot with taxe 4 lmfao
U gotta up those plasteel pickups, those are rookie numbers
winter grove
U gotta up those plasteel pickups, those are rookie numbers
True that
Zealot outdid me
thorn lark
shred ht taxe?
rapid palm
So with the buffs is marksmen focus worth trying now or still no?
tall torrent
So with the buffs is marksmen focus worth trying now or still no?
it's alr
thorn lark
it was always worth trying
winter grove
shred ht taxe?
Yup
rapid palm
it seems like with the buff to the node that lets you move it seems a lot more usable now
thorn lark
ms focus revolver is probably my main vet loadout
tall torrent
it seems like with the buff to the node that lets you move it seems a lot more u...
it's a lot more consistent to keep stacks now
also for penance u need 2500 kills with MF at 10+ stacks
better get on with it asap
thorn lark
T_T
winter grove
Wait is 4500 penance points literally ALL penances?
tall torrent
playing krak + MF as a rashad/knife one trick is suffering
tall torrent
Wait is 4500 penance points literally ALL penances?
no, total is 4835 rn
void sphinx
2nd day playing I'm like at 450, I love Krak
void sphinx
Crushers and Bulwarks and Maulers
winter grove
no, total is 4835 rn
So does that mean some penances can be ignored?
tall torrent
So does that mean some penances can be ignored?
yes, scroll up
void sphinx
the horde just happens to be next to them
thorn lark
hmm i did not try hard enough
void sphinx
oh nvm I finished it
tall torrent
nobody is doing that lmao
thorn lark
and, i forgot to take nade regen yesterday sooo
void sphinx
I'm not at 450 anymore, i'm done
thorn lark
lucky bastard
winter grove
Can't find the message
thorn lark
you can go back to smoke
void sphinx
I love Krak grenades
winter grove
I am 100% not doing VoC and krak one
void sphinx
I only use Krak
tall torrent
If u had already completed a majority of other classes’ penances before this upd...
@winter grove
winter grove
Not a fan of those sets
tall torrent
u can get VoC done in legit 2 missions if u rly dedicate to farming it
winter grove
I'll 100% make it accidentally
tall torrent
I only have krak and MF left
currently rocking infiltrator armor + Moebian 6th pants + scion helm
thorn lark
i have one question
now that the frames are easier to get... did you go back to the first convict frame?
thorn lark
because i am a bit pained by the skulls frame going from 1m to 500k
winter grove
now that the frames are easier to get... did you go back to the first convict fr...
Nope
rapid palm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229926497784168508/S...
what sorts of ranged weapons are good for stealth?
winter grove
I did put more fashionable class frames on the classes they belong on
Instead of those you get for every mission type
tall torrent
now that the frames are easier to get... did you go back to the first convict fr...
no I went straight to skull hoarder lol
I had 580k before they made the change
winter grove
what sorts of ranged weapons are good for stealth?
I used agri shotgun and revolver
thorn lark
i was close to 1M
winter grove
I more or less play stealth like vermintide 2
tall torrent
I think I have all legendary frames now
thorn lark
you use smoke ruffian?
winter grove
I just run into horde and spam light and I come out victorious
Snipe elite-specials
tall torrent
what's the play?
throw at ur own feet/team
thorn lark
have you heard of keepswinging mod?
tall torrent
usually
winter grove
For smokes just throw them at your feet
winter grove
have you heard of keepswinging mod?
Yup
I gotta install it
Lmao
My mouse will die
thorn lark
yes it will
tall torrent
u can use smoke to cover spawns in some maps
thorn lark
i broke one mouse with dt already
tall torrent
like comms-plex first event
where a morbillion shooters spawn left side
or hab dreyko new final event
with the constant shotgunner & gunner wave spawns
winter grove
Another thing @thorn lark
You can use Infiltrate to stagger enemies and 10 seconds of free 50% TDR
Combine it with iron will and consider yourself tankiest mf
tall torrent
Hunter's resolve + Iron will is x0.25 toughness dmg for 10s
take that information how u will
with close order drill at full coherency, that becomes 0.1675x toughness dmg
rapid palm
can you use onsalught to make a recon lasgun or col V autogun work with stealth or no?
winter grove
i broke one mouse with dt already
Remember, atrox 4 loves light attack spam
tall torrent
can you use onsalught to make a recon lasgun or col V autogun work with stealth ...
onslaught is only ever relevant if u plan to magdump crushers with columnus mk5 or recon6d
rapid palm
onslaught is only ever relevant if u plan to magdump crushers with columnus mk5 ...
yeah, im asking if ya can make that work with stealth
tall torrent
yeah, im asking if ya can make that work with stealth
wouldn't recommend tbh? I'm not a fan of onslaught in general because point economy sucks
winter grove
yeah, im asking if ya can make that work with stealth
Friendly reminder
When doing stealth
Surv aura is literally OUT OF THE QUESTION
tall torrent
if u play stealth, chances are u alrdy need a lot of melee dmg talents
winter grove
^
rapid palm
fair
tall torrent
and infil is talent tax hell
winter grove
Practically it makes taxe 4 not so worthless
tall torrent
u will likely have a better time just going bottom left for 30% weakspot + 25% reserve ammo + 15% elite dmg + stamina regen delay boost
than going for onslaught
tall torrent
u will likely have a better time just going bottom left for 30% weakspot + 25% r...
because these help ur melee too, except 25% ammo
onslaught is exclusively for ur gun
thorn lark
You can use Infiltrate to stagger enemies and 10 seconds of free 50% TDR
i was thinking of going that way tbh
rapid palm
so with stealth ya want a ranged weapon that does high brust damage?
winter grove
i was thinking of going that way tbh
Nothing stops you
tall torrent
so with stealth ya want a ranged weapon that does high brust damage?
u want a fast swap special sniping tool
last parcel
and he’s here to do some business with the big iron on his hip
thorn lark
Nothing stops you
well i have to decide between +25 tg or 50 dr after stealth
tall torrent
i was thinking of going that way tbh
I'd suggest +1 grenade over faster revive
thorn lark
fair enough but i like the 33 dr after rez
winter grove
It's practically free revive
tall torrent
fair enough but i like the 33 dr after rez
it's not for u
midnight mortar
Utility of the grenade far outweighs reviving faster. Most revives aren't going to happen unless you're already clear to do so without getting hit.
winter grove
Utility of the grenade far outweighs reviving faster. Most revives aren't going ...
Infil is a free clear revive
last parcel
you pick faster revive to pick up your teammates
i pick faster revive to leave my teammates bleeding out while i go zoom
we are not the same
tall torrent
i take it for them
that 33% DR isn't saving them from instant poxburster/sniper/overhead so I wouldn't think abt it too much
midnight mortar
Infil is a free clear revive
Also a good point. Makes it more redundant.
last parcel
i don’t like it
thorn lark
i don't even notice the bars tbh
midnight mortar
I don't use it/feel the need for it myself.
winter grove
Yeah felt the same
thorn lark
it's like spidey sense
winter grove
it's like spidey sense
I use spider sence
thorn lark
there's kike a shit ton of stuff at the same time
winter grove
But it's only when I get shot or hit from behind
I thought that's only thing it does when I downloaded it
thorn lark
i don't get bursted or trapped by accident tbh\
tall torrent
Would y'all recommend the healthbars mod?
I don't use mods besides FSR3 frame gen so
thorn lark
it's more like a net going through density for 1km
last parcel
I don't use mods besides FSR3 frame gen so
bro’s missing out on Fart Reverb SFX for Psyker Peril Overload 💀
winter grove
No way that exists
I mist say
Full Auto mod is also very nice to have
For guns like mg4
thorn lark
laspistol
winter grove
That too
thorn lark
vraks3
winter grove
Basically on stuff that shoots fast but only semi-auto
last parcel
No way that exists
midnight mortar
That's hilarious.
If I had that installed in my last match, it would've gotten me killed from laughing.
Psyker went down twice back to back from perils somehow.
winter grove
I love MG4 this is 90% of gameplay with it
thorn lark
mg4 you hh + infernus?
winter grove
DA + HH
thorn lark
oh right, you get da
last parcel
da nuts in my mouth lmao
winter grove
I got Ghost + HH on MG Ia
I also shit you not
It's easier to use mg4 with iron sights
tall torrent
It's easier to use mg4 with iron sights
what do the iron sights look like
winter grove
It's recon lasgun one
tall torrent
send pic
last parcel
i always liked putting ciag irons on lasguns
winter grove
i always liked putting ciag irons on lasguns
Are you on DT rn?
last parcel
yeah i can do it for you
winter grove
Not feet pics
winter grove
Oh it's not that wiat wtf
last parcel
Oh it's not that wiat wtf
6 and 7 are the same for me
winter grove
6 and 7 are the same for me
Nah nah
Not these 100%
Although they make lasgun look like famas
last parcel
well those are the recon sights so
last parcel
graia and columnus
winter grove
There's one that looks like just straight line
last parcel
this one?
winter grove
Thought it was Accatran one
verbal rivet
helbore mk2 has best sights in the whole game
winter grove
ok so this one
Also it's funny to put perspective that Veteran is recording his MLG montage for the inquisition
last parcel
"I wonder if Rannick will give me a promotion for this"
winter grove
And then Rannick gets hit with 30 airhorn sounds and many more in span of 10 seconds
winter grove
I love the final cutscene with the ogryn
Like
How do you expect an ogryn to be a traitor
They're too dumb for that
Clueless
verbal rivet
there's a bunch of traitor ogryn on atoma, though
tame lodge
That's Ogryn life, you kill or die
winter grove
Or third option that Moebian 6th ogryns took
tame lodge
Or whatever the Bodyguard says
tall torrent
Missed opportunity to not put rannick’s revolver skin in penance progression track
last parcel
Missed opportunity to not put rannick’s revolver skin in penance progression tra...
sir that will be 87432 aquilas
tame lodge
Rannick's cutscene but he has an Agripina instead of a Zarona
winter grove
So he misses
last parcel
ahh hell naw he gonna hit me with that shot
winter grove
ahh hell naw he gonna hit me with that shot
You think Rannick got a bricked zarona by any chance?
last parcel
he's got terrifying barrage for sure
winter grove
he's got terrifying barrage for sure
Shoots the traitor
Literally everyone in the room start running away
winter grove
sir that will be 87432 aquilas
Commandore always gets good stuff somehow
Didn't she trade with xenos too?
last parcel
who need they hallowussy ate
winter grove
who need they hallowussy ate
«No Grendyl sir, I didn't have a trade affair with the Eldars. Those were just funky looking space marines.»
ornate garnet
I just found a vet with a knife and a heavy laspistol with gunner stance, is this some hidden tech i don't know? (i don't play vet so i'm kinda scared of him)
ornate garnet
yeah executionner
ornate garnet
It doesn't matter too much now, he shot 2 burster in a row in my face and i died so...
winter grove
You also should try out the Veteran
It's all shit and giggles until veteran outdamages the zealot in melee
tall torrent
It's all shit and giggles until veteran outdamages the zealot in melee
that's pretty normal
winter grove
Huh
tall torrent
veteran melee is not bad in dmg whatsoever
ornate garnet
power swords
winter grove
I thought zealot being dedicated melee classshould excell in it
tall torrent
I thought zealot being dedicated melee classshould excell in it
zealot has a ton more survivability stuff
winter grove
*power swords*
I did it with Chainaxe mk12 and Tactical Axe mk4
winter grove
zealot has a ton more survivability stuff
Oh yeah true
Zealots are too angry to die
winter grove
veteran melee is not bad in dmg whatsoever
I am also aware about veteran melee capabilities
ornate garnet
I did it with Chainaxe mk12 and Tactical Axe mk4
I was talking about this one "veteran melee is not bad in dmg whatsoever"
tall torrent
I was talking about this one "veteran melee is not bad in dmg whatsoever"
yea, u don't need a power sword for that
ornate garnet
For a ranged class they have pretty damm good weapons
winter grove
Veteran is really flexible
To the point you can have
How much TDR again? @tall torrent
umbral granite
Melk be selling me the good stuff now...
somber axle
Ohmygosh
Ran Hab Dreyko for the first time since the update
it's BEAUTIFUL
wonderful chaos at the very end
winter grove
Melk be selling me the good stuff now...
Lucky devil
tall torrent
How much TDR again? <@366562874039992331>
max possible is x0.142375 toughess dmg
arctic rampart
zealot melee builds are awesome.. player skill really matters. so thats why I play veteran cause its easier for me
winter grove
max possible is x0.142375 toughess dmg
Do ogryns get same now?
tall torrent
idk
umbral granite
Lucky devil
Shame it's being sold to my veteran when my psyker is the one i'm trying to get a D-claw for
winter grove
Shame it's being sold to my veteran when my psyker is the one i'm trying to get ...
You could try dclaw ws
winter grove
ogryn is my least played class
Same
tall torrent
my playtime is veteran > zealot > psyker > ogryn
winter grove
Also same
sinful palm
winter grove
Ogryns aren't as tanky now because they got shot too much by veteran teammates
midnight totem
Well, in the aftermath of failing my mission to do 15 runs flawless runs on damnation
I've now just started on other class penances
Like the one for psyker to blow up and kill an elite
winter grove
How to tell if an ogryn played different classes?
midnight totem
Finally got that done
winter grove
Like the one for psyker to blow up and kill an elite
Got that one by an accident lmao
midnight totem
Lol
winter grove
I somehow did the "kill 90 enemies in 30(?) seconds" penance as ogryn
midnight totem
I was actively holding off on that penance just to try and get 15 flawless
God's I'm tired and tilted
tall torrent
I think I need like a full team to gather 60 enemies up for me to rush
every fucking time teammates kill them too fast
midnight totem
Oh absolutely
I helped an ogryn and a zealot get their rush down 60 and stun and kill 40
Pub game, they asked politely in voice chat
Easy
tall torrent
every time I try to go for rush 60
the purgatus psyker on my team:
last parcel
arrange for the psyker to have an "accident"
midnight totem
I wonder what's the best way to kill 90 in... what is it? 30 seconds?
Ogryn frag bomb probably
tall torrent
I wonder what's the best way to kill 90 in... what is it? 30 seconds?
Time to Die 3 is 120 in 30s
spam blaze trauma/purgatus and spawn camp
winter grove
Am I crazy or the voidstrike staff way too strong?
midnight totem
Got a place to spawncamp?
hollow ibex
Am I crazy or the voidstrike staff way too strong?
it's the best staff overall, but it's fine imo
somber axle
I personally love the Surge staff on Psyker but tbh I haven't tried Voidstrike or Trauma yet
midnight mortar
Am I crazy or the voidstrike staff way too strong?
It's strong for sure, but #psyker-class would probably give you a more comprehensive view.
winter grove
For psyker
Oh so it's plasma but without minuses
hollow ibex
it's like plasma
hollow ibex
but no unlimited cleave, more meaningful charge up time, in exchange for unlimited ammo
tall torrent
Am I crazy or the voidstrike staff way too strong?
It's strong
but soulblaze spam is more busted imo
last parcel
420 soulblaze it
last parcel
i would
last parcel
winter grove
vale ledge
I am already not liking this
winter grove
It's strong
but soulblaze spam is more busted imo
Balance with the durability of psykers
Die from one cut
vale ledge
🗿
last parcel
ghost is good wym
tall torrent
Balance with the durability of psykers
soulblaze kills literally everything before they ever reach u
vale ledge
Is reload speed worth 
winter grove
Pray for dum dum
winter grove
Ain't no way
last parcel
Also got this from a random drop <:trol:1038873833442127882>
i will suck you dry
vale ledge
pfft-
winter grove
So what's the end result with mk10?
winter grove
Also uhh gonna brag about bolter rq
Shattering impact ain't that good tbf
Surgical better
Also swap unarmored for flak and you're set
celest vine
I got this
umbral granite
The totem spawned in an area we couldnt shoot it from...
rigid pilot
I need something to make them brighterer
It's much easier to find them in lights out
last parcel
bro forgot to bring armour piercing rounds
umbral granite
We had a plasma-gun vet who shot it twice and we got nothing
rigid pilot
Grenade 
umbral granite
the grenades bounced off an invisible wall
rigid pilot
F
last parcel
use your power armor to clip through the wall
umbral granite
use your power armor to clip through the wall
midnight mortar
The totem spawned in an area we couldnt shoot it from...
Yeah that's a reported bugged spot.
tame lodge
Trauma staff
winter grove
use your power armor to clip through the wall
Ultramarine power armor specifically
It also gives plot armor
tender rover
I'm a total noob to this game. Really enjoying it. I want to build the veteran for that FPS feel. Please hmu if you want to help me out.
tame lodge
use your power armor to clip through the wall
Third person interact exploit
sharp epoch
I'm a total noob to this game. Really enjoying it. I want to build the veteran f...
left side talent
tender rover
left side talent
thanks!
thorn lark
Perks
thick needle
Rolled a very funny Zarona, what do yall think I should grab to replace 8% Elite
hoary horizon
The totem spawned in an area we couldnt shoot it from...
Ulgo had throw rock one day. Was fun
molten hound
i would replace the reload speed with dmg vs flak
atomic zephyr
swapped my fem professional to fem cutthroat
very much enjoying the change :)
vocal cipher
cutthroat girl is the irish voice right?
atomic zephyr
no
i think its been attributed to birmingham
its the really really rough sounding one
winter grove
Rolled a very funny Zarona, what do yall think I should grab to replace 8% Elite
Do not
Replace 8% elite
Replace reload speed to maniac
trim steppe
good lord thats amazing
azure stream
cutthroat girl is the irish voice right?
Cutthroat is the Cadian if that helps.
vocal cipher
i always get the names mixed up
azure stream
Always talking about Cadia or vengeance
I like all 6 veteran personalitys tbh. Male female both
vocal cipher
me too, the VOs for the vets all did a fantastic job
azure stream
It's fun watching the VA for the professional play the game and talk in lobbies
vocal cipher
it is. the VA for the judge zealot seems like a cool dude too
drifting oak
I'm late to the patch, did veteran talents get shaken up significantly?
thick needle
Big buffs
rapid palm
scavenger got nerfed into the ground and marksmen focus got a big buff
lilac kayak
Plasma has no stagger vs bulwark n crushers
drifting oak
yeah I saw that marksmen focus got much longer grace period buffs
rapid palm
still goes through the sheild though
drifting oak
so that even if you're missing shots with say an infantry las you can still keep your stacks fully intact while walking
winter grove
If it makes you feel better, I was only using it once for Every Shot Counts
That's a good ass revolver, keep it
drifting oak
Scavenger got an ICD, so no more "1 hound pack = full ammo for everyone"?
lilac kayak
also I think the duration / radius of the tox bomber needs a bit of tuning. kinda op in tigher corridors
tall torrent
Plasma has no stagger vs bulwark n crushers <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
It can still stagger crushers
But not bulwark through shield
thick needle
That's a good ass revolver, keep it
it's too late
winter grove
it's too late
Why
trim steppe
it's too late
whomp whomp. still good though, just not as good
tame lodge
also I think the duration / radius of the tox bomber needs a bit of tuning. kind...
You can go through them since it's not the same as fire, however, it gets worse if it buffs the enemies
tame lodge
You can go through them since it's not the same as fire, however, it gets worse ...
As in they are harder to kill and will block you
tall torrent
As in they are harder to kill and will block you
Pox gas also makes mutants go extra fast to the point where they’re much harder to dodge
thick needle
Wait did Scav get a big nerf?
winter grove
It's not big
trim steppe
Wait did Scav get a big nerf?
it has a 5s cooldown now
tame lodge
Pox gas also makes mutants go extra fast to the point where they’re much harder ...
I love it, first thing I noticed
vocal cipher
Wait did Scav get a big nerf?
not the worst nerf ever
lilac kayak
You can go through them since it's not the same as fire, however, it gets worse ...
So on chasm logistratum, after u complete the mid obj with the scanner, theres a bridge that leads to 3 hall ways. tox bomber managed to block half of the bridge from the back while a chaos spawn n crusher patrol came from the front ]
tame lodge
I love it, first thing I noticed
Ever since I saw a blessed rager run faster than the others, I wondered why muties kept their speed even when blessed, now I have the speedy boys for my amusement
trim steppe
has there been any word on the broken chat bug?
atomic zephyr
I like all 6 veteran personalitys tbh. Male female both
so far im surprised fem cutthroat isnt as popular as the others, i rarely hear her and imo the voice is still great
probably just cause she gets outshone by male cutthroat screaming his lungs out
trim steppe
Sucks not being able to type in half my missions
last parcel
so far im surprised fem cutthroat isnt as popular as the others, i rarely hear h...
she was also missing half her lines until recently
atomic zephyr
she was?? no wonder
vocal cipher
so far im surprised fem cutthroat isnt as popular as the others, i rarely hear h...
to be fair, the male VA says his ult lines with his CHEST. he put everything he had in there
atomic zephyr
what do you mean missing, like there were prompts she wouldnt respond to?
atomic zephyr
to be fair, the male VA says his ult lines with his CHEST. he put everything he ...
yeah its really really hard to stand next to a performance like that
last parcel
to be fair, the male VA says his ult lines with his CHEST. he put everything he ...
for real, he makes me feel like i'm on cadia
then i remember that i can breathe and my planet isn't destroyed
thick needle
Weird, I thought Fem Loose Cannon was the most popular
thick needle
Mostly because I and most of my friends find her hot
atomic zephyr
so true
tame lodge
Loose Cannon surge as of lately
winter grove
Because loose cannon is a good boi
atomic zephyr
i like LC vet but she's kinda an asshole honestly
tame lodge
Hilarious banter with the male judge that ignored him
thick needle
Wait Cutthroat is the one that screams I WANT THESE KARKERS DEAD right
atomic zephyr
Wait Cutthroat is the one that screams I WANT THESE KARKERS DEAD right
ya
last parcel
that should be loose cannon
winter grove
Wait Cutthroat is the one that screams I WANT THESE KARKERS DEAD right
That's LC
atomic zephyr
wait
thick needle
Oh
atomic zephyr
wait thats loose cannon yeah
vocal cipher
Wait Cutthroat is the one that screams I WANT THESE KARKERS DEAD right
don't worry, i get them mixed up too
atomic zephyr
its late :(
thick needle
Nvm Fem Loose Cannon is my GOAT
atomic zephyr
ahh everyone loves fem loose cannon
tame lodge
CLOSE AND KILL!!!
winter grove
How do we describe LC personality
thick needle
How do we describe LC personality
Lovable Asshole
winter grove
Fits
atomic zephyr
honestly male LC and fem LC have a pretty diverging personality
I'd say male leans on the lovable part and fem leans on the asshole part
or maybe im just hallucinating it
winter grove
I could say so myself
tame lodge
She even has a foul mouth
last parcel
aaaaaand he just shot me for not sharing ammo
atomic zephyr
lmao
vocal cipher
i like femLC's executioners stance lines personally.. the dude does a great job too though
thick needle
Male LC sounds more like he's being clearly sarcastic for the sake of antagonizing people
Female LC sounds more like she's being totally serious
winter grove
Point and shoot, militarum style
tall torrent
I switched to Cadian cutthroat for my veteran because scion helm makes his lines way better
So far he’s been behaving incredibly well (next to no whining)
last parcel
impossible
midnight mortar
I switched to Cadian cutthroat for my veteran because scion helm makes his lines...
This. Scion helm vocoder male Cutthroat was everything I ever wanted from my Veteran.
tall torrent
This. Scion helm vocoder male Cutthroat was everything I ever wanted from my Vet...
Scion helm makes male cutthroat go from a 3/10 to an 8/10 imo
winter grove
I like that they finally gave the Darktide 7 actual names
Does support my theory of covert art characters being canonized in darktide
midnight mortar
Scion helm makes male cutthroat go from a 3/10 to an 8/10 imo
Admittedly, Cutthroat was my second choice but Professional was too cheery for me. I was hoping for something closer to cold exceptionalism. But since I couldn't have someone like that, my next preferred choice was to go all in on vengeful anger instead.
Cutthroat was already at a 7 or 8/10 for me before the helm.
thick needle
Agile Engagement would proc on bayonet kills, wouldn't it
winter grove
It does
rigid pilot
Agile Engagement would proc on bayonet kills, wouldn't it
It does
last parcel
It does
stuck kite
Is it just more or is the ammo replenishment talent not working or subtly nerfed?
I ran a couple of games and found myself picking up ammo more than usual (and that was with a high crit laspistol for free ammo)
midnight mortar
Is it just more or is the ammo replenishment talent not working or subtly nerfed...
Patch notes.
wind grotto
it needed to be nerfed but it sure makes some guns feel really terrible that relied on them to feel okay before
hollow ibex
i really don't think it needed to be nerfed tbh
stuck kite
I just found it great bc I am very much a person who cares about other people getting resources/pickups over myself - so being able to sustain ammo on my laspistol helped with that
potent iris
it needed nerfing; it throws off ammo economy too much and skews balance as a result
if anything the aura should've just been reworked into something entirely different but ah well
hollow ibex
it didn't need to be nerfed because it was the bandaid fix to the ammo economy
potent iris
it really wasn't
hollow ibex
k
wind grotto
it just makes aurics way more annoying now
they're still doable so whatever but it's just so much more annoying when someone is stealing all the ammo and you still have to constantly fight rooms with like 30+ shooters
rigid pilot
You mean 4 people don't just finish a mission with white ammo now?
wind grotto
they should of just capped it to whatever a minute instead of a 5 second cooldown is the issue
hollow ibex
maybe we'll see less gunlugger ogryns now
wind grotto
lmao i've seen more if anything
hollow ibex
haha who am i kidding
potent iris
well plenty of people are completing aurics just fine without a survivalist vet
rigid pilot
Kickback and achyls have really good ammo economy
potent iris
so it was just gilding the lily and causing problems
wind grotto
I don't think it was actually causing issues
it's not like the fucking coop pve shooter has leaderboards or anything
hollow ibex
what problems
odd sparrow
remember any mission you finish on white or close to it is a mission you propably didnt need survivalist
rigid pilot
The problem is fatshark thinks you have too much ammo
trim steppe
what problems
making the other 2 vet auras useless for one
odd sparrow
the movespeed aura is genuinely pretty good
wind grotto
the obvious fix was always just scavenger should of been baked into the other auras
trim steppe
the movespeed aura is genuinely pretty good
yeah, now that the infinite ammo aura is weakened
hollow ibex
making the other 2 vet auras useless for one
that's shit design yes, but i'm trying to figure out why ammo is a problem
potent iris
balance issues yeah.
gunluggers, plasma guns, all of the autoguns having infinite ammo without needing to even vaguely think about ammo management all because one random brought a specific aura is a problem lol
odd sparrow
the path just doesnt fit into most ranged focused builds
wind grotto
is it a problem? kick someone if you wanted a harder run imo
rigid pilot
is it a problem? kick someone if you wanted a harder run imo
This isnt a real solution and you know it
wind grotto
because it just makes a vast amount of guns feel like complete shit
trim steppe
that's shit design yes, but i'm trying to figure out why ammo is a problem
because not everyone who plays the game is a sweaty try hard xD and for said others, ammo can be problematic
potent iris
people getting kicked over an aura choice isn't a real solution lol and replaces one problem with a new one
trim steppe
This discord is not representative of the whole player base
hollow ibex
balance issues yeah.
gunluggers, plasma guns, all of the autoguns having infini...
none of those have infinite ammo even with surv, it just results in those little shits hoovering up ammo that the rest of the team should have access to
white minnow
it didn't need to be nerfed because it was the bandaid fix to the ammo economy
that presumes that the ammo economy needed fixing int he first place
rigid pilot
This discord is not representative of the whole player base
You are saying like the aura nerf was Discord's decision, it isn't
potent iris
ok you have infinite ammo*
*unless you spam into poxwalker hordes and the floor for no reason
white minnow
there is ~1000% ammo on the map to be picked up and 2 ammo packs that can be spawn
if you want ammo, just loot lmao
pallid jetty
so good that it doesnt matter what aura you bring since only skill and teamwork matter 🙂
white minnow
people complaining about ammo are just outing themselves for not looting
hollow ibex
if you want ammo, just loot lmao
lol yeah just loot, if there's anything left after the two gunluggers take up every piece of ammo
wind grotto
you sure haven't seen the plentiful amount of people grabbing ammo when they're missing like 5 rounds huh
white minnow
yeah surely pub teammates will loot and be able to cover every nook and cranny
hollow ibex
it's bad player behavior, and this ain't the fix
trim steppe
You are saying like the aura nerf was Discord's decision, it isn't
Naw I was saying that a lot of the good players on this discord say "Ammo isnt a problem anyway" but it is to players not on this discord. Scav was a weird crutch aura that needed a nerf
odd sparrow
plasma and autoguns had practically infinite ammo before lmao. autogun litterally only needs 2-5 bullets per kill (on non-ogryn)and gets back 7.
plasma is similar killing in 1-3 shots while also capable of getting multikills getting back 1 shot per kill
stuck kite
people complaining about ammo are just outing themselves for not looting
I just found it great bc I am very much a person who cares about other people getting resources/pickups over myself - so being able to sustain ammo on my laspistol helped with ensuring my team could reap ammo tins/packs
wind grotto
yeah so nerf the amount those guns gain from it
rigid pilot
I always ping extra ammo everywhere but the red ogryn just goes into the next room
white minnow
you are high on some shit if you think that one player can cover every spot on the map
or even two
just go somewhere that a teammate isn't and go pick up some ammo
it's not rocket science to loot
hollow ibex
just go somewhere that a teammate isn't and go pick up some ammo
why do you think i run literally nothing but knife
white minnow
yeah sure that's good then
hollow ibex
but not everyone runs knife
white minnow
mf i don't run knife either
rigid pilot
Then you leave ammo for them
white minnow
and i don't have any ammo problems
rigid pilot
It's not hard
hollow ibex
and ammo hungry pubbies can make life a real pain in the ass for the rest of the team
potent iris
also if ammo economy without survivalist actually is a problem, then that can be solved now that survivalist isn't skewing a bunch of the arsenal
stuck kite
The mods should add a 5s cooldown to the channel so we know what it feels like to be Survivalist users 😄
odd sparrow
thats funny
potent iris
like fact of the matter is survivalist, even nerfed, is miles better than pretty much every other aura in the game still lol
hollow ibex
the real fix was replacing surv with something else, and increasing ammo drops
surv is just a dumb aura
wind grotto
it should just be baked into the 3 bad auras he would have otherwise
potent iris
in my ideal world surv just wouldn't exist, yeah
wind grotto
and no one would of cared it went to 5s
white minnow
the ammo economy doesn't need fixing
odd sparrow
theres plenty of ammo tbh yall just need to loot
white minnow
and ammo should matter anyways
hollow ibex
it should just be baked into the 3 bad auras he would have otherwise
or bake it in sure
white minnow
heaven forbid my game has some bare margin of thinking about resources
or just loot, y'know
hollow ibex
heaven forbid my game has some bare margin of thinking about resources
you assume pubbies think
pallid jetty
The mods should add a 5s cooldown to the channel so we know what it feels like t...
would be funi ngl
rigid pilot
Survivalist should make plasteel pickups 100% more
hollow ibex
tbh the surv nerf doesn't bother me at all
white minnow
and that's called looting
burnt raven
I like how even there is a penance for looting nobody does it
hollow ibex
and that's called looting
no shit sherlock
what should i do next, kill the heretics?
white minnow
then why are you insinuating that the ammo economy needs fixing
hollow ibex
doesn't mean this decision doesn't exacerbate an existing issue
of surv being a shit aura
pallid jetty
maybe -surv, but +25% ammo into +40% ammo
hollow ibex
and bad pubby behavior
white minnow
if you do think that it is indeed no shit, then you shouldn't ever say that the ammo economy needs fixing
timid otter
I dont think guns inherently are stronger then non guns right now
white minnow
and bad pubby behavior
now you're just bringing up another topic
timid otter
So resource management is slightly skewed
white minnow
i'm specifically talking about your complaints about the ammo economy supposedly needing fixing
pallid jetty
ammo economy? lmao just shoot better eks di
wind grotto
I dont think guns inherently are stronger then non guns right now
depends on the class, plasma now has pretty bad ammo economy but its still an insane weapon
hollow ibex
now you're just bringing up another topic
wtf are you smoking, pubbies have everything to do with ammo economy lol
rigid pilot
Guns can hit near and far, melee can't (yet)
hollow ibex
why would you talk about ammo economy without talking about ammo demand
supply and demand
white minnow
yes they affect ammo economy
i'm not saying they don't
but i'm saying, why does it even matter
you're not going to run out of ammo
who cares what pubs do?
rigid pilot
Who are these Boogeymen of "most players"
potent iris
pubs doing silly stuff shouldn't change how the game is balancing
like you wouldn't increase the amount of healing on a map because a swathe of pubs are blowing medicae when at 90% health
hollow ibex
Who are these Boogeymen of "most players"
john darktide
wind grotto
the average player of video games that play casually, are bad and absolutely would not be in this discord
potent iris
also ngl, most pubs I play really aren't that bad, you get the occassional dork that wants to grab a big ammo pack to replenish a single mag
but most of the time it ain't that bad
wind grotto
to be fair they won't be shitting up your aurics, but there sure are new waves of people in auric shitting them up
bronze trout
Is columnus still top dog for infantry autoguns?
wind grotto
yes
versed bloom
I used survivalist whenever I ran weapons with low ammo reserves like the plasma gun, bolt gun, or shotguns. I found it to not be very impactful with weapons with high ammo pools like las guns and auto guns
white minnow
also ngl, most pubs I play really aren't that bad, you get the occassional dork ...
which does boggle me because people talk like they get these teammates all the time
wind grotto
until they change weapons up in god knows how many months columnus sis still the best
burnt raven
I will join your level 5 and get downed constantly because I am doing the new penance for sharpshooter
wind grotto
I get shitty teammates constantly in damnation or auric
you're an incredibly lucky human being if you don't see a ton of them
white minnow
like god damn where do you live to apparently get these shitheads so frequently because I certainly don't get any of these players where I live (NA west)
rigid pilot
Might be a matter of perspective
hollow ibex
i remember shitty teammates more than i do average ones
wind grotto
shitty being they constantly drain resources, barely get any kills and just cause games to fail
rigid pilot
That's probably it
hollow ibex
"oh yes, yet another recon las psyker"
versed bloom
shitty being they constantly drain resources, barely get any kills and just caus...
See, I like to be a special kind of shitty. I'll use the last charge on a medicae station when I'm barely missing health over the guy with barely a quarter of his health. I also like to call out ammo to someone who needs it and take it right as they come up to grab it.
rigid pilot
They are living their best life
wind grotto
I don't mind the shitty players if it's outside of auric tbf
but the amount of times i've started auric, the first pack of crushers show up
and someone runs up and dies in like 3 seconds
is a very high number
timid otter
I use rumbler special to send poxbursters forward to my teammates
I like sharing the love.
potent iris
which does boggle me because people talk like they get these teammates all the t...
it happens in every game, people are just convinced they get shitter teammates all the time
pvp games in particular you'll have like 99% of people say they get mostly shit teammates without realising they're all eachother's shitty teammates
wind grotto
thankfully the scoreboard mod exists and you can easily see that shitters exist all over the place if you look at all in this game
but keep pretending they don't thats fine
hollow ibex
i keep scoreboard mainly to confirm the lil shit who is taking up all the ammo
potent iris
lmao idk man, I pub all the time and win most matches
livid monolith
pvp games in particular you'll have like 99% of people say they get mostly shit ...
part of that I think in pvp specifically is how prevalent SBMM is, which means that you're looking at ideally a 50% win rate every time across all skill levels instead of like just older MM where you could be well in excess of that if you're above average
wind grotto
winning matches is not the same as not having a shitter
thick needle
i keep scoreboard mainly to confirm the lil shit who is taking up all the ammo
haha CIA go brrrrrrr
timid otter
I removed scoreboard to be oblivious to how bad damagewise players can be
wind grotto
I won every match i've done but one since the patch and I still saw a fuckton of players who were absolutely terrible
rigid pilot
I won every match i've done but one since the patch and I still saw a fuckton of...
This is true
rigid pilot
Also because Im playing scuffed builds for penances
wind grotto
yeah that definitely doesn't help that everyone is playing shitty builds that no one actually wants to play right now
wanton dawn
You might be someone else terrible player though 
rigid pilot
It's new update, we gotta have fun
timid otter
You might be someone else terrible player though <:thumbsup_ogryn:10634527273021...
Everyone will find some dumb reason to complain over another player
rigid pilot
Don't be the vet that sat there pinging the elevator while 3 players figured out the puzzle
dapper agate
pvp games in particular you'll have like 99% of people say they get mostly shit ...
Depends on the game tbh, like if it uses some sort of "skill" based match maker then it can often be the game rigging itslef to give you shitty team mates at least 50% of the time so that it's really hard to have a win rate above 50%. World of Tanks and Call of Duty both do this.
Darktide it just seems to randomly pick whatever match has room, which is a better way to do MM since you never know what team mates you're gonna get. Although on average in my region there seems to be mostly godly/good/average players and only a couple shit ones.
potent iris
Depends on the game tbh, like if it uses some sort of "skill" based match maker ...
yeah OCE tends to be pretty chill in that way, low pop so the people who are playing likely know what they're doing
as opposed to being someone that only plays once a month or smth
rigid pilot
Darktide doesn't have enough players to have any kind of sensible skill based mm
Not that skill based MM in a coop game makes any sense
timid otter
MMR would suck.
wanton dawn
What skill based mm would do ? Spawn more dh ?
timid otter
It would make the game boring
rigid pilot
You need the newbies so your game gets harder
dapper agate
yeah OCE tends to be pretty chill in that way, low pop so the people who are pla...
Yeah that is the nice thing about playing in lower pop regions is it is mostly the dedicated players and not the people who barely play the game and even then they usually are on malice or lower.
wanton dawn
Mmr should be based on puzzle completion skill !
potent iris
one thing to consider about DT as well is that a lot of players don't know what's strong/optimal™️ and end up running a ton of bricked shit or very questionable builds and tbh it's not even the players fault a lot of the time because the tooltipping and general onboarding in DT is utterly abysmal and sometimes just fuckin' outright lies
pallid jetty
i have a question - everybody wants hellguns, i assume its like laser machine gun, right? but we already have auto-lasguns which shoot very fast
potent iris
or Hadron hates their guts so all they have is bricks
pallid jetty
plus i saw you need to wear backpacks for it
like scabs do
wouldnt be able to slide and dodge
rigid pilot
So does plasma doesnt it
pallid jetty
plasma guns are like plasma pistols for marines
wind grotto
one thing to consider about DT as well is that a lot of players don't know what'...
yeah this is true, still a few blessings iirc that are just not labelled at all correctly
dapper agate
one thing to consider about DT as well is that a lot of players don't know what'...
Yeah, have to dig through guides (like actual real ones made by dedicated players and not the ones clueless games journalists make) or the chat on here to find the hidden mechanics. DT itself doesn't explain a lot of stuff and you kind of just have to fuck around to figure certain stuff out.
wind grotto
and probably still some talents in there that do actually nothing
just like dt itself doesn't actually tell you toughness dr is multiplicative
and the things that are additive
rigid pilot
Everyone here is probably a wizard compared to a normal player
The amount of arcane knowledge accumulated
timid otter
We are all psykers?
pallid jetty
nah, the game is easy to understand
rigid pilot
Fr? Explain how wildfire works
timid otter
Fr? Explain how wildfire works
Put an egg in a candle and boil it.
That is what wildfire is
pallid jetty
Fr? Explain how wildfire works
what is wildfire
rigid pilot
It's best you don't know it
last parcel
some witch magic
pallid jetty
???
timid otter
Its the soulblaze burn disperision talent.
It fairly disperses burn equally between targets.
pallid jetty
oh
dapper agate
just like dt itself doesn't actually tell you toughness dr is multiplicative
Yeah, wish they would explain that. I just kind of ignore the calculations when it comes to DR and take the simple approach of more DR is better (which it is even if the diminishing returns kick in).
timid otter
Up to 4 to prevent too crispy burnings.
wind grotto
it's not like it'd be hard for them to just have a menu that shows you your stats on the talent page
so you know how much toughness dr% you have or etc
rigid pilot
Yeah, wish they would explain that. I just kind of ignore the calculations when ...
It mainly matters for the nerfed FNP, like taking extra toughness DR nodes will be better than FNP now
wind grotto
fnp needed the nerf to being multiplicative imo but it sure did not need both that and now toughness damage removes the stacks
that sure was a choice
it sure kind of just seems kind of bad now
dapper agate
Oh yeah, they should of left FNP how it was tbh, now it is kind of shit.
rigid pilot
Yea they should buff the nodes more to compensate
potent iris
Ogryn toughness regen is still cracked as hell so it's all whatever really, just not completely immortal any more
fierce steeple
whats the least worst recon las these days
rigid pilot
Any
wind grotto
toughness regen is great on them yeah but uh
rigid pilot
There's no best recon anymore
wind grotto
now ogryn just feels even worse without shield any time you enter a room with the 30+ guys with guns pointing at the door
fierce steeple
There's no best recon anymore
recon was always a bit of meme, but which one sucks the least
wind grotto
because they all sure like looking at the ogryn and deleting him
rigid pilot
The one you have, because it sure as hell not worth building one
dapper agate
whats the least worst recon las these days
6D is the best one I think, mostly because it goes BRRRRRRRT like a laser MG42.
wind grotto
with the survivalist nerfs I don't even know what the niche is for recon las anymore
I guess the niche is picking up 20 ammo tins
dapper agate
with the survivalist nerfs I don't even know what the niche is for recon las any...
idk either, needs to be buffed massively.
dapper agate
like double the ammo and give it more finesse, then it will be good.
rigid pilot
They have the funky sideways spread recoil that is meant "for hordes"
wind grotto
double ammo pool would help at least yeah
midnight mortar
i have a question - everybody wants hellguns, i assume its like laser machine gu...
Consider it to be similar to a lasgun .50 caliber browning machine gun. Capable of piercing a fair amount of armor, high rate of fire, high stopping power.
rigid pilot
But next to no pierce makes it kinda pointless
wind grotto
but just give us hellguns so we can pretend recon las doesn't exist
and have an actual good full auto lasgun choice
rigid pilot
I want a BAR, the Agrippina IAG isn't BAR enough
wind grotto
I want more actual 40k feeling melee weapons
pallid jetty
maybe we'll get hellgun like scab's, but we'll have to charge it like with the flamer
wind grotto
and not fucking shovels and generic axes
you can have your one krieg trench shovel
not the what like fucking 8 or whatever in now
pallid jetty
but we already have chain swords, power swords and hammers
fierce steeple
and not fucking shovels and generic axes
request denied. best we can do is another chainsword and PS variant with slightly different attack patterns. enjoy the culmination of our 6 months of work
rigid pilot
Daddy James hate fun though
I'm pretty sure folding shovels were supposed to be kind of sick axe that they had to dial down
wind grotto
but we already have chain swords, power swords and hammers
no we have weird tiny chain swords, power swords that have faulty batteries, and thunder hammers that feel really bad to use the special function on because you just have to stand there for a bit after
midnight mortar
maybe we'll get hellgun like scab's, but we'll have to charge it like with the f...
It's been requested and theorycrafted for over 2 years.
wind grotto
still hilarious to me the evis is like 60% the size it should be
pallid jetty
midnight mortar
I like the idea of it being something that when "deployed" slows your movement speed dramatically but enables full rapid fire.
Something like a more precise stubber ogryn.
wind grotto
the engineer gun in vermintide is the obvious case of how a hellgun should work here
rigid pilot
A whole new class/combat ability
wind grotto
but they just don't care and want to take 8 more vacations before we get an actual new gun type
midnight mortar
True, but given that FS is allergic to bringing over what they learned from VT2 to DT I don't want to count on that.
thick needle
It is unbelievable that On Overwatch isn't a custom match penance
rigid pilot
They probably cooking whatever in DT2 / VT3
midnight mortar
Sadly, that's likely yeah.
pallid jetty
you know what we need