veteran-class

[junior needle]

That just means it subjectively has wiggle room

You can get by with only crits but, at the cost of overall performance

[tiny summit]

the dps change between me shooting an plague ogryns head vs its body is massive

[junior needle]

You should be conditioning yourself to aim for heads consistently

[potent iris]

I will take this advice to justify rolling weakspot damage

[somber axle]

ohmygosh LMFAO

[tiny summit]

psyop the reddit into rolling weakspot and crit dmg

[dusky flare]

Wait, so everything is a precision weapon now? because everything has a positive weakspot modifier and benefits from headshots, which you should always be hitting apparently. Like what are we saying lmao

[somber axle]

Nah

Braced Autoguns don't care

[junior needle]

That's a bit of a strawman, I'm sure you know that.

[tiny summit]

do you think there isnt a difference between a 1.5x vs +2x multiplier?

[junior needle]

2x or more

[somber axle]

Weapons with bad finesse modifiers and awful medium to long range accuracy matter less with headshots

[dusky flare]

It's free damage apparently, since you don't give up anything to hit heads.

If it was 1.1x, would it no longer be free damage?

[junior needle]

It's still free, but the weapon clearly isn't primarily oriented towards headshots if it has a 1.1 modifier and high base damage

[somber axle]

It's more like in theory vs in practice. And in practice hitting heads with the laspistol isn't a big deal, just a learning curve for people getting used to the weapon

[junior needle]

Precision is referring to weapons that are inordinately biased towards headshots

[somber axle]

It has built in suppression immunity afaik

[tiny summit]

brautos literally do not care or promote you aiming for the head because of how they fire and are aimed. I worry for you if you think the laspistol of all weapons is too much effort and time to click heads with its low recoil, innate suppression resist, generous hipfire spread and being able to ADS

[somber axle]

Even easier to keep consistently tapping heads with it vs with other weapons lacking built in suppression immunity

[tiny summit]

or just hipfiring heads is easy than most other weapons too

[junior needle]

The knife is a good example of this. Does absolutely dogshit damage on bodyshots, nearly 3x as much on weakspot hits.

[dusky flare]

melee weapons are different tho

[junior needle]

On a mechanical level, but considerations of damage are the same

If something does way less on a bodyshot and way more on a weakspot, you still want to click heads

[dusky flare]

what like the columnus infantry?

[junior needle]

huh

What about it?

[dusky flare]

^

[junior needle]

Yes? All IAG's have big finesse modifiers. The ciag is very overtuned currently so it still does good bodyshot damage while doing ABSURD weakspot damage

[dusky flare]

That's precisely my point, no one goes around saying it's a precision weapon.

[junior needle]

It's extremely overtuned

But IAG's in general would qualify due to massive finesse values

[tiny summit]

the autoguns benefit greatly shooting heads, they also have their recoil patterns and fire rate as factors. But you are talking about the laspistol...a VERY low recoil, innate suppression immunity, high fire rate, generous hipfire spread, ADS with +2x multiplier as "not a precision weapon"

[junior needle]

Just because you don't personally see people referring to it as such doesn't mean it doesn't qualify

[dusky flare]

There's a divide between theory and practice. The ciag definitely isn't a precision weapon in practice.

Even if it were balanced it still wouldn't be

[junior needle]

It's harder to be precise with it

[wanton dawn]

The hell are we talking about here

[junior needle]

But that doesn't mean it doesn't massively reward you for doing so

Semantics

It's a dreary topic

[tiny summit]

you can argue that, and I can agree because it is very capable of just being a bullet hose. The ciag also isnt the laspistol

[wanton dawn]

Does looks like semantics saturday

[tiny summit]

semantics everyday

[junior needle]

Being a bullet hose isn't mutually exclusive with benefitting abnormally from headshots

See difference between brautos and iag's

[tiny summit]

it isnt, but we know that difference. we know the handling of iags vs the laspistols are different

[junior needle]

Mhm

You could argue that laspistols are more precision oriented yes

But that doesn't mean the iag's aren't

Just that laspistols are moreso

[tiny summit]

just seeing text about shooting heads with a laspistol being too much effort to be worth the dmg...really made my eye twitch

[junior needle]

Double the damage or more isn't enough

[wanton dawn]

Pretty sure both laspistol and ciag have better finesse mod than revolver, which is literally called "precise" weapon in the tooltip

[junior needle]

10x the damage at least

[wanton dawn]

Meanwhile, ppl tell me that showcasting recon vs ciag on mutant back is unfair for the recon

[dusky flare]

Yall would call the flamer a precision weapon if it had a 10x weakspot mod 😂

[somber axle]

So like the CIAG is a special case. You're right that TTK doesn't matter on headshots for most targets. Clicking a trapper's head vs just unloading into their chest isn't going to make a difference realistically. But context matters. Headshots with a CIAG on a Plogryn's head, Burgle back, Chaos Spawn face, etc. will do significantly more DPS and is worth the extra effort to aim

[junior needle]

Can the flamer even hit heads

[somber axle]

On chunkier targets it significantly changes TTK

[dusky flare]

Everything that does damage to heads can hit heads.

[tiny summit]

dunno if I should be rude about this absurd statement

[dusky flare]

Just misrepresent it again like you did before

[junior needle]

While you might consider it superfluous, the ciag does over double the dps on headshots

Which is less than half the ttk

[wanton dawn]

This is kinda insulting cuz you know damn well know that flamer is not hitscan

[junior needle]

It can also push you into being ammo neutral or positive depending on the target

[dusky flare]

oh so now we bringing hitscan and projectiles into this? like what are we saying? blades of faith isn't a precision blitz?

[wanton dawn]

Now you are just being a jerk on purpose

I don't give a damn about ppl arguing about semantics

[tiny summit]

do you think theres no difference between throwing at heads vs the chest?

[wanton dawn]

its boring

Imma see myself out

[somber axle]

Yeah but for softer targets that's just funny numbers like WoW DPS meters. Trapper, Sniper, Flamer, etc. dying in milliseconds less isn't a big deal in gameplay. Mutie heads are trickier to maintain consistent headshots on in practice and the TTK difference is probably minimal too. But for Bulwarks, Crushers and Reapers? Absolutely worth

[junior needle]

It doesn't even give you funny numbers because the dps meter is limited by the max hp

[somber axle]

True so even then it's just possible DPS in paper math vs the game not caring what paper math says LMFAO

Chonkier the target, the better CIAG hitting the head works. Just absolutely insane how it has such good damage and on top of it good finesse values

It just kills too fast for headshots to matter on like most things

[tropic notch]

Poxwalkers enjoying a pw with pc and bm

[junior needle]

Well aktchually it works the same, it's just that the subjective difference in ttk becomes less noticeable subjectively 🤓

2x dps is still the same proportional ttk regardless of hp

Going from 2s to 1s and 1s to .5s are both 50% reductions

Of course the ciag is so overtuned you can just do whatever with it

[somber axle]

Oh yeah it's like objectively better to hit heads with it. Just doesn't make a noticeable change on the vast majority of targets anyway like you said. Either way a flak rager squad evaporates or a crusher melts

[junior needle]

It's noticeable to me

Especially if you're killing things at 2x the speed

Individual, flimsier targets are less noticeable

[somber axle]

I'm too much of a clown to pay that much attention to milliseconds of difference per target when the weapon is so overtuned. Plus I don't main the CIAG and legitimately haven't used it in weeks if not months. It's just too good and makes the game boring imo

[junior needle]

Tens of milliseconds to be precise

[somber axle]

Though like with Reaper, Crusher, Bulwark or any monstrosity the difference would be pretty big and worth the effort

[junior needle]

Oh excuse me, milli is a thousand

So it'd be hundreds of milliseconds

[somber axle]

That's wild LMFAO

CIAG mains eating good. Recon VId users starving in a cave with me

[junior needle]

so .5s is 500 milliseconds

[somber axle]

Anyway we got way off topic

Laspistol Mk II good for heads

[dusky flare]

Crazy how i pointed out a valid counterargument and you just folded like that lol. Today i learned non-hitscan weapons can't be precise.

My bad i guess

[junior needle]

Throwing knife is a precision weapon

[somber axle]

Brain Burst is a precision weapon

[junior needle]

But you are attempting to prove a point with weird "gotcha" attempts

[dusky flare]

Yeah no shit lmao

[dusky flare]

I was obviously responding to this.

[junior needle]

Yes, throwing knife is a precision weapon

[somber axle]

I just got off work so now it's time for true clown hours

[junior needle]

Although the popular usage of the term precision in this context varies a bit from the true meaning

Outside of gameology, this is what precision would mean

https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/precision_accuracy.png

[dusky flare]

Bro made a very weak rebuttal and called me a jerk after i pointed it out, pretty weird behaviour tbh but hey all kinds of people in this world.

[junior needle]

You've made a few rebuttals that come across as disingenuous and strawmanny

[dusky flare]

I didn't cry that yall were being mean and run away did i

nevermind the fact that no one here has perfect logic yet we're still conversing, crazy how that works

[somber axle]

believe it or not

Assail??

precision weapon

[junior needle]

I'll have you know everything I say is factually correct

[dusky flare]

it must be, you physically can't miss

[junior needle]

Traps are gay

[chilly sparrow]

Got the penance, thank yall

[wanton dawn]

imagine being the latest examplar of "guy on discord coming to argue about semantics wondering why ppl end up leaving"

You did manage to bring me back to tell you that though. Good job I guess.

[dusky flare]

Didn't you leave because you were bored like 5 minutes ago? lol talking bout how i brought you back. You chronicallyh online or what

[wanton dawn]

I came back to block you to be exact

Cant have ping I dont wanna read during my games

[dusky flare]

Blocking me definitely will stop other people from responding to your messages while you play games!

[somber axle]

man I have like over a hundred discord servers and all of them are muted except like 3 and I'm on perma do not disturb mode anyway because constant discord pings are a nightmare

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, I don't really mind pinging that much.

I like reading it here usually

[somber axle]

I also like reading here and I still learn new things about Vet from people here

fun to check in during work hours

[junior needle]

I look on here occasionally while using my phone in the bathroom

[wanton dawn]

But if you ping me, at least be nice or funny plz

[somber axle]

I try not to ping anyone unless someone is asking for advice and I want to try to help

or if I'm feeling silly

[wanton dawn]

[slate hawk]

🍍 🖊️ 🍎

Silly like this? :3

[somber axle]

LMFAO yeah

also I had to count how many servers I'm in just because over a hundred felt like an exaggeration and I wondered how close to reality it was

77 servers

and most of them just to steal funny stickers, emotes, audio files to play in voice chat

or steal memes

[slate hawk]

lol

[jaunty merlin]

I'm starting to think running a rez build for vet might not be the best idea lmao.

Must of rez more down people than the folk rezzing me. Then has the audacity to say i died more times then them.

[stable socket]

when you say rez build do you mean the node that increases voc cooldown or the leave no one behind node

[jaunty merlin]

Leave no man behind for the quicker rez

Would never choice the former if I had to choose between death or life.

[wanton dawn]

Rez node are no good in general.

There is a bunch of stuff that is good for rez that also happens to be good in general: VoC. Frags. Smoke. Infi. Stam

[jaunty merlin]

Well if I'm going for infiltrate I have a choice between 1 extra frag, or the rez trait. Since I have stockpile, grenadier is redundant to me. Rather go for the rez

[wanton dawn]

Frag is the best grenade to stack though

Most of the time you get more value from frag by launching 2 instead of 1

[jaunty merlin]

While true, by the time you use your third nade, crushers are already dead, and with a team that knows what they're doing, you shouldn't need more than two frags anyway.

[wanton dawn]

Your call

[somber axle]

unless you're using tinkerer it's better to do double nade into waves of awful to watch them evaporate

tinkerer shredder will wipe entire crowds of poxwalkers with the blast + bleed on its own and soften up anything else but then you're spending extra points to get tinkerer

[wanton dawn]

Only 1 extra point in this configuration, but that's a side argument

[somber axle]

I really love tinkerer

so good for shredder and smoke

[wanton dawn]

Oh, no, actually it is 2 on this tier

My bad

Wait

I need to check the tree

[somber axle]

a meme on krak though if someone wants to go all in on boss damage with the twin nade 20% toss on monstrosities and once in a blue moon instagib a boss by just unleashing a storm of krak

tinkerer and twin nade for krak is so funny

[wanton dawn]

Well, depend on the aura IG

I was confused because taking infil without the 10% melee node would seems strange to me

[sleek garden]

I have 2 versions of the same build with two different auras

Because I like using fire team but people get mad if I don't have survivalist

If I see another vet in my game with survivalist I just switch to the fire team loadout

[wanton dawn]

Let me guess. Ogryns ?

[sleek garden]

No just random players who get on the mic and start spitting bile

[somber axle]

Revolver Zealot using Vet as a mobile ammo bag LMFAO

[wanton dawn]

Good thing I have never managed to get a consistent good output from IG mic

[sleek garden]

I had a psyker start insulting me after we all went down right away on a maelstrom with only scab which meant crusher waves

[wanton dawn]

WEEEELLLL

tbf not taking surv in this mod is kinda throwing

[somber axle]

weirdly enough I've never had anyone be rude to me over voice in Darktide

I think like there were two times someone was rude to me and one of the times was funny because it wasn't even in a match

[sleek garden]

it was but I had the wrong loadout selected by accident

[last parcel]

i’ve only heard smoke alarm beeps

[sleek garden]

And the psyker was using a staff

[wanton dawn]

fair enough

[sleek garden]

so he was benefiting

I have a special loadout for that maelstrom modifier set now

[jaunty merlin]

Had an ogryn snipe a heal station from me after I soloed a beast of nurgle. They died wiped shorterly after I died, so it worked out in the end lol.

[somber axle]

I have met funny people who talk over voice in matches though

one time there was a Zealot who got REALLY into the RP of being a Zealot and demanded we stop at the church for a sermon

he legitimately gave a short sermon

[wanton dawn]

Elevator music start playing

[somber axle]

we crouched in the pews LMFAO

also the occasional Ogryn RPing over voice

[sleek garden]

I try to talk in voice chat but I'm not a funny person

[wanton dawn]

I can't do RP as a vet. I would just sound like the stereotypical angry teenager yeeling everyone that they sucks

too real

[jaunty merlin]

The fact I Solo a beast of nurgle is stupid enough, but seeing my team up a balcony pelting it with bullets is a true noobish experience lmao.

[somber axle]

I wish I had added that Zealot tbh because he seemed like a fun guy but I'm awful at adding people

[sleek garden]

I'm just telling people come get the meds or oh god the rager horde is decending upon me

[jaunty merlin]

So your avarage cod player then

[somber axle]

finish a match where everyone's chatting, helping each other, everything goes so well and it's so fun

then I immediately leave the instant the match is over

[wanton dawn]

In the grimdankness, there is only dank

[sleek garden]

If they're shooting at it while you're attacking it, you aren't soloing

[somber axle]

there's someone in Helldivers 2 who does Drill Sergeant type yelling at people and it's really funny

I feel like it'd work in Darktide too

[wanton dawn]

Me RPing a drill sergeant would put my english speaking skill under too much pressure

[jaunty merlin]

It might as well be me soloing it for the good they did lmao. They were just tickling the guy. I was doing all the damage.

[sleek garden]

I've been trying to use the chainaxe and it's the first weapon where I've actually had to think about adding more stamina

[wanton dawn]

You can only make so much variation of "maggot"

[jaunty merlin]

Like they were terrorfied of going anywhere near it

[sleek garden]

Because only 2 dodges hurts

[somber axle]

you seem like you're really good with English from what I see over discord text tbh

[wanton dawn]

I am, but drill sergeant are basically rapper

[jaunty merlin]

God I hate mobile sometimes lol

[sleek garden]

I know plenty of people who type perfect English and then in voice they have a super thick accent

[somber axle]

I'm allergic to using voice because I tried talking a little bit when I played TF2 and a guy told me to shut the fuck up loudly

[sleek garden]

Some people are weird

[somber axle]

only voice with friends now

[sleek garden]

If you're a lady don't bother

[jaunty merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-memes-gif-12096021108193711457

[wanton dawn]

In any case, DT voice chat is really annoying to configure IMO

Where the hell is the sound setting for it ?!

[last parcel]

in the balls

[wanton dawn]

And to be clear, this is not a genuine question

[sleek garden]

I've been playing halo again and I've been playing with this one girl consistently and every lfg post we join has one 30 year old proudly self-proclaimed trump lover who starts calling her a whore/calls her a female and nothing else/asks for her onlyfans

[somber axle]

voice in shooters can be really rough

easier to be quiet

easier to be sneaky

[sleek garden]

it sounds gross hearing some southern dude go "I think females-"

Don't say female dude

just say girls or ladies or women

Anything else

[final stag]

Just say bro bro

[last parcel]

varlet

[final stag]

Or dude

[sleek garden]

What problem are you having

[somber axle]

cat

[last parcel]

meow

[somber axle]

meow

[wanton dawn]

Sound balance is awful across the board, it is a pain to configure and I don't wanna deal with it

[sleek garden]

I'm not gonna call a girl in halo a cat

That sounds like some kind of insult name

[wanton dawn]

halo kitty

[somber axle]

I call all my friends cats but tbh it's because a lot of us also play FF14

[sleek garden]

I've only played the one with the convertible black car

[last parcel]

the what now

[sleek garden]

final fantasy game

With the convertible black car

With the four dudes who drive around in it

[last parcel]

i see

(he does not see)

[sleek garden]

Okay

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/sephirof-ff-final-fantasy-gif-5300609

this one

[elder fiber]

the one about the boy band

"talk about backseat fishing" x infinity

[last parcel]

the more i hear about final fantasy, the less i understand

perhaps i should consider narcotics

[somber axle]

don't worry none of them are connected directly except for like the one with lightning

that one has a sequel

they share some names between games, some monster designs, etc. but generally are all different vibes

[elder fiber]

2 sequels

ffx has a sicknasty sequel too!

so does ff4 but we don't talk about that one

[somber axle]

one day I really need to go back and play them

the only final fantasy games I've touched were Crystal Chronicles and Chocobo Racing when I was a kid

and now FF14

https://tenor.com/view/chocobo-playstation-racing-chocoboracing-ps1-gif-14360043

[sleek garden]

Any shooters in here enjoy the gold cross guard catachan sword by the way

The one with the side to side heavies

[elder fiber]

nope

[sleek garden]

Personally I'm a believer

[elder fiber]

it + mk7 should get ogryn krourk 4 knife rework so the strikedown lights actually do respectable dmg

[wanton dawn]

Ff games not having much continuity is a good thing. Looking at kingdom hearts game i would not trust them with that kind of stuff

[somber axle]

weird question what was the cutoff for the +3 stam where it bugs out and only gives 2

[elder fiber]

nintendo establishing a canon timeline for zelda

[sleek garden]

It only has one strike down light o think

It still does more damage than the heavy attack though

[somber axle]

Kingdom Hearts 1 was unironically good imo but everything after became an absolute edgy mess LMFAO

[wanton dawn]

Honestly they do not really take it into account

[somber axle]

do you know Donald Duck is canonically the most powerful spellcaster among all Final Fantasy casters as far as that canon goes

[sleek garden]

wait no it doesn't it just does about the same but much faster so for maulers heavy heavy light is the combo

[somber axle]

Kingdom Hearts is silly

[elder fiber]

donald duck deserves it

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-evil-donald-duck-walking-gif-20352770

I trust

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-kh-zettaflare-donald-donald-duck-kingdom-hearts-gaming-gif-17360332

literally most powerful flare spell across any Final Fantasy game

LMFAO

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-hello-duck-hi-howard-the-duck-gif-7246353

[somber axle]

though tbh my understanding is exclusively from friends ranting at me about how dumb it is

[wanton dawn]

Isnt there earth shattering spell in FF ?

[somber axle]

there are very weird spells across FF with some terraforming worlds, time magic, etc. and I know of one spell that literally creates worlds just to throw the whole world at the person

oh also

a really silly spell

one sec while I find it

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, i know most overpowered display usually come down to author writing themselves into corners

[somber axle]

oh ok I found why the Donald Duck thing is silly

apparently it was written that Donald Duck's Zettaflare is one billion times more powerful than Teraflare which I think is the most powerful version of the Flare spell across any Final Fantasy entry

absolutely silly

this is like playground kids mathing out how the made up spell they used is stronger

LMFAO

FOUND THE SILLIEST SPELL

FF8 Eternal Breath spell

can't find a gif to share but if you look it up it's the most over the top spell I've ever seen of any Final Fantasy game so far

[last parcel]

bro summoned a death star

[junior needle]

2 is still really good

The spinoffs become really convoluted though, especially the handheld ones

[wanton dawn]

Cute chat after a 22 min mael rush

[lyric dock]

420 plasteel.....

[wanton dawn]

Blaze away, by MC plasma

[pliant agate]

Is the plasma sword +2 energized hits thing rare? Because I read it is. Yet I just got it, by fully upgrading a power sword 5 times. Doesnt seem that rare. Maybe Im wrong.

[lilac eagle]

I haven't found a single power cycler lmao

Not since like, fucking release week have I managed to roll any

[digital cairn]

Pretty rare, but rng is rng and you can get lucky sometimes

[pliant agate]

Its just weird because I spent like 15k plasteel on my ogryn, trying to get the toughness chained hit on my bull dagger.

[digital cairn]

With no pity system in place the biggest problem with true random systems like this is not the average time to get something, but the 99% bad luck threshold.

[pliant agate]

And at the end got lucky, and bought one from melk

[lilac eagle]

RNJesus is a fickle God

[digital cairn]

If 1% of players will need to max 50 power swords and you have a dedicated player base of a few thousand, you'll have dozens of people with bad luck at that level

And the 99.9% bad luck will be even worse

Just using the warframe wiki because people work this out a 1/9 drop chance is an average (as in, 50% of players have the drop after this) of 9 runs.

But the 99% mark is 39.

The 99.9 is 58

And 99.99 (1 in 10k players) is 77

It's very easy to rationalise this as "well it's very unlikely it happens to anyone" but the reality is that this is guaranteed to happen to someone with enough players doing the grind

[lyric dock]

There's always gonna be that 1 unlucky SOB

And the insult to injury with weapon crafting is the multi layers it is.

• Getting a weapon with a good enough base rating (360+)
• Said weapon having good modifiers (Which ranges from needing 2 stats to be as close to 80% as possible to needing 3 or even 4 stats)
• Then comes Hadron as you hope she plays nice enough to give you a workable weapon at the end

[vague smelt]

Yesterday i spent 1M dockets an 15K plasteel just to make 2 usable weapons

This is not looking good for Fatshark

[lyric dock]

Issue with Weapon crafting is you really can't afford to experiment

[junior needle]

Reminder that the current system being as absurdly grindy is intentional for “player retention” purposes

[lyric dock]

Player Deterrent*

I had some of my friends pick up darktide and then they discover the pain of Hadron and dropped it almost instantly

And they went right back to Helldivers 2Dragging me into the game as well

[pliant agate]

Damn , after trying out power sword. I just feel so slow. Prefer the knife, or devils claw honestly.

[lyric dock]

The pain of swapping to other melees when you're used to another one

It fucks with your muscle memory and timing until you get used to it

[pliant agate]

I guess. I think Im gonna stick to my trusty rusty knife. The speed alone is amazing. Also nades for hordes anyway. And for specials theres plasma gun.

[lyric dock]

I use the MK6 Power sword as my Melee, MK 10 las pistol, and Shredders. Sometimes Kraks

[lilac kayak]

Just wait for new crafting update in 2 years for a fix

[pliant agate]

I dont think ive ever seen las pistol on a vet. Interesting. You have voice of command ,right?

[lyric dock]

VoC

[lilac kayak]

Exec las pistol is fun

[pliant agate]

I use it on my zealot for sniper killing and stuff. Also chastise speed buff on the las makes it hilariouslay good against monstrosities.

[lyric dock]

Las pistol is pretty nice for Vet. Shock trooper gives it really good ammo efficiency, natural base 15% crit chance so it crits often, does good Crit and weak spot damage, and very solid mobility to zoom around if needed

[lilac kayak]

Revolver is literally the only thing u need as a zealot for your range wep tbh

Kinda boring tho since it's so strong atm

[pliant agate]

I dont like revolver that much. And the 2nd one is such ass, like no punchthrough.

[pliant agate]

Oh damn, that actually sounds good.

[lilac kayak]

Just the feel or aiming downsight?

[pliant agate]

I guess the feel of it. Dont know. Just not my thing. Also on vet, I dont think I will ever want to try revolver, because plasma gun is just a better revolver imo. Plasma gun fucks. And it fucks hard.

[digital cairn]

Revolver on zealot is just so good for mobility.

Let's you take whatever as melee and still zoom zoom.

Else HE etc gets a bit annoying to use

[inland orchid]

Revolver zealot is pretty fun to me, muscle memory after makes me realize the equip time on flamer/bolter when swappin is mad slow in comparison but ey that makes sense

The revolver don’t got “QuickDraw” in the name for nothin

[lilac kayak]

Plasma is just too strong atm but I've been using Columbus IA after getting bored with seeing plasma vets 24/7

[crude fiber]

What could they do to nerf plasma? It'd have to be a mechanical change imo since just fucking with its damage could be too severe

[frank monolith]

btw whats the mod called that allows you to see what they have

[lilac kayak]

Who thought it was a good idea to give it infinite cleave

[frank monolith]

make it generate more heat

[crude fiber]

It's a plasma gun lol. I'm not a lore expert but I'm pretty sure it's accurate

[lilac kayak]

Have it blow up on u out of nowhere as a feature

[tall torrent]

Uncharged:
Decrease cleave to 8 or lower
Increase ammo cost from 3 to 4 per shot

Charged:
Decrease ammo cost from 9 to 6 per shot

That’s how I’d go about it

[crude fiber]

Swap thermal stat for finesse and have it over heat in 1 charged or 3-4 normal shots? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Thermal stat is not dump unironically

[crude fiber]

I know but high thermal stat let's you spray the damn thing lol

[tall torrent]

And plasma just have horrible finesse

[tall torrent]

Not rly it’s just 1 extra shot starting from 0 heat

[crude fiber]

That's why adding finesse stat would help with silly dreg gunner bp

[tall torrent]

U just need both 5% ranged dmg + elite perk + elite talent + tag keystone (redirect fire) to hit that breakpoint tbh

[crude fiber]

0% to 80% is 1 extra shot?

Oh is that all

[tall torrent]

Going above 69 thermal resist is 8 shots starting from 0% heat to full heat

Below, it’s 7 shots to reach full heat from 0

That’s the only major difference it makes

[crude fiber]

7-8 shots feels pretty spammy for its damage and cleave potential

Was it the charged or uncharged that has 100 cleave

[tall torrent]

I think just nerfing cleave and ammo cost for uncharged is more than enough

[wanton dawn]

Teammate_loadout me think

[pliant agate]

The thing is , columnus is almost just as good . Also borderline broken. You can literally burst down specials with it being grey, and without talents. Insane.

[lilac kayak]

Takes a bit of practice / muscle memory to handle the recoil whereas plasma can shoot from the hip and hit the target 90% of the time imo

[pliant agate]

The kick columnus has is really only slightly at the start, i don't even notice it anymore. Easy to get used to. But yeah, plasma is a lot more braindead.

Although, if you have godlike aim, columnus can be way more ammo efficient with survivalist.

[dreamy spade]

Fucking poxbursters and infiltrate

They just randomly explode

[crude fiber]

I personally haven't been running into too many plasma users recently. Personally I'd like them to make everything to be fun and usable rather then nerfing what's currently good. Make recons viable again

[crude fiber]

Do they still do the little hop or just insta explode?

[dreamy spade]

Well if they have nowhere to go they explode anyway

And i just saw one jump on a tied up teammate i was revving

But they arent supposed to do that

[crude fiber]

And you were invisible?

[dreamy spade]

Yup

And then a crusher 1 shot me because it jumped instead of dodged

[crude fiber]

Oh yeah I removed jump from dodge for that exact reason

[dreamy spade]

I probably should do that too

[crude fiber]

Jump is control and crouch is on a mouse button

Cause if you think about it you aren't jumping too often in this game. Mostly just climbing over stuff

[pliant agate]

Reconds are viable? Not too long ago even the on crit ammo gain was fixed.

[low jetty]

rambo gunner build

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-gif-9042653

[pliant agate]

Marksman focus kinda ass though. Id rather take weapons specialist.

[low jetty]

hmmmm yea youre right

VERY seldom id be able to stand and gun in peace

[dreamy spade]

Weapon specialist goated

[pliant agate]

Very underrated

[pallid jetty]

weapon specialist for an only shooting build? why?

immunity to suppression is useless imo, you will suppress them easily with this lasgun

[low jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/fricknmcnugget-tf2-heavy-weapons-guy-heavy-gif-22800647

[pallid jetty]

Deadshot wont even work with this lasgun

[low jetty]

wat about replacing it with Always Preapred?

[inland orchid]

More ammo is nice

[inland orchid]

Oh wait crap I misassumed the ammo talent name

[pallid jetty]

i myself wouldnt

[gray finch]

crit on dodge ?

[pallid jetty]

marksman focus is an ok choice here

[low jetty]

tried several times....
the director AI wont let me get enough stacks while throwing ads or silent elites beihdn me

[pallid jetty]

should i just boot up the game and make the build myself

[pallid jetty]

use your mouse to turn around (?)

[crude fiber]

Canceled

[dreamy spade]

Try using it with combat knife, you can strafe like 2 miles lol

[pallid jetty]

knife is a good choice if you want to reposition yourself quickly

[inland orchid]

Sent to the corner of shame

[gray finch]

you should take the crit on dodge instead i think

[pallid jetty]

i hope at the start you picked +toughness for an elite kill

[pliant agate]

Already have have me NOIF equipped

[low jetty]

this can be replaced?

[low jetty]

krak grenades for bulwarks blocking me

[pallid jetty]

you are very confident in your skill, huh

headshotting non-stop with this lasgun

[low jetty]

i have to

[pallid jetty]

you're making yourself to have to

anyway

[low jetty]

will likely spray acround their horde heads

[pallid jetty]

for a rambo build my choice is to use the agripiina autogun

i can show you that one if you want

i dont really like lasguns

the autolasguns

[low jetty]

alrdy have the gun, just wanted to try it with recon

ahhaha

[pallid jetty]

i see

[low jetty]

knoive rdy

[dreamy spade]

First target is shit in knife right?

[pallid jetty]

+crit on bleeding, but no bleeding sustain

reject, what the hell

[low jetty]

its the only knife i have

[low jetty]

jsut using it to dodge

[gray finch]

change the weakspot perk to flak/maniac carap works as well

[low jetty]

done

i honestly prefer tactical axe over knife

if im doing melee dmg build

[dreamy spade]

🤨

[low jetty]

im not much of stabby guy

[gray finch]

play whatever you feel is better for you

[wanton dawn]

Except weakspot and crit dmg

[gray finch]

i mean weapons but yea

[wanton dawn]

Obviously

[low jetty]

tqtq noted

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-waiting-piss-gif-27404794

[gray finch]

change weakspot perk to unyelding

[low jetty]

yea i had that perk initially, didnt do much for me when the horde is around

so went fuck it, deal with the elites instead

[wanton dawn]

Taking stam regen over target down is weird

[low jetty]

which key si that sry?

[wanton dawn]

Also dont take determined on hellbore

It does nothing

[wanton dawn]

Keystone vs stat node top left

Oh, no determined

Guess my sight is crap

In any case, target down regen both stam and thoughness

[low jetty]

🤘🏻

was able to 2 shot a crusher and mauler with this

2 or 3

[pallid jetty]

+rending is useless, this lasgun is already good at killing crushers

[gusty pike]

Lasguns are what’s “meta” now?

[gray finch]

??

[austere pine]

if not even crucis is to your tastes, there's not much helping you. get at least thrust 3, a good stat spread (you can dump defences and crowd control) and pray to the master you're satisfied

[austere pine]

depends on which one

[gusty pike]

Oh. I was using an automatic one

[austere pine]

infantry ones are decent (not to my tastes but they don't feel terrible if you know what you're doing [and can use mods to get full auto because i sure as shit ain't clicking taht much]), helbore are great with the right setup and recon are kinda poopoo

[gray finch]

for infantry lasguns Ia is the best since with good setup you can kill every gunner with 1 shot headshot

[gusty pike]

I felt good with the automatic lasgun

[serene bough]

Itll work in low difficulties but recon las is really weak atm

All the other lasguns are pretty effective otherwise

Meta weapons are plasma and CIAG atm

[sleek garden]

I've been trying it out vs the crucis and what I saw is that the iron helm does a lot more damage against everything else uncharged

Like 100 more damage on a light attack

And I don't want to have to charge it to kill everything

[austere pine]

crucis is for single target only. struggler against anything

[sleek garden]

It's doing okay at horde clear

Better than the chainaxe

[austere pine]

ironhelm gets cleave against unarmored and infested on activation and bonk on flak+

don't get my name wrong, chainaxe is goated at hordes

[sleek garden]

Also mine kills most maniacs and gunners in 2-3 lights/heavies

[sleek garden]

I've been trying this on veteran and struggling for some reason

[austere pine]

maybe you're one of my kind

[sleek garden]

I think it's the didges

Dodges

I think it gets less than other weapons

[austere pine]

it's just the attacks for me

define "other weapons"

[sleek garden]

i am a catachan sword user

And shovel head

I feel like I get one or two dodges less in the chain axe

I still like the chainaxe though I can spam lights into a mauler group and survive

[woven vigil]

which Sapper shovel do ya'll prefer? Trying to explore my options outside the power sword and rashad axe

[dreamy spade]

7

No other choice lol

[woven vigil]

did give a try to chainswords too but eeh. I am not really digging those movesets on both of them. Maybe I am doing something wrong tbh

[woven vigil]

noted. what perks and blessings you running on em?

[dreamy spade]

Uncanny and thrust

[pallid jetty]

all of them are good

[dreamy spade]

I think shovels need to be buffed tbh

More impact

[pallid jetty]

the oldest one has biggest dps on light attacks

other 2 have anti-crusher special attack

plus the oldest one is the fastest

[sleek garden]

The original munitorum

They're all good but the other shovels kind of have goofy lights

And the munitorum has hard hitting axe chops

[pliant agate]

I honestly prefer the bleed on crit settup , with on dodge +20% crit chance. You do enough damage with heavy attacks against armor anyway.

[woven vigil]

I am still sitting on this one that I got back in 2020, but never really touched it lol. Anything I should touch up on it?

[sleek garden]

Like the other shovels were great but I was giggling using the blue shovel and giving a dude two light side to side doinks with the flat end of the shovel

it makes a great sound but it's bad at hurting people

[sleek garden]

I'm the wrong person to ask but it looks great to me

[pallid jetty]

+power and impact blessings and BAM - you can push maniacs and maulers with light attacks

[woven vigil]

and this one

[sleek garden]

I have hammerblow on mine

[pallid jetty]

i dont remember the names, man

[sleek garden]

Stab a mauler with a special and hit him hard enough and he goes flying sideways

[sleek garden]

The other ones are hard for me too but the original shovel is just the munitorum

Easiest one to remember

[tame lodge]

The special is good against Armored enemies for stagger purposes, I can see the value against Dreg Ragers, but that's it

[sleek garden]

It also has a stab special attack that staggers high resistance enemies like ragers and crushers

the shove attack is a downward strike that does good damage

by good I mean the fastest way to kill a crusher is special stab+shove attack

[pliant agate]

the mk vii is kinda better overall, it combines the stanards decent horde clear, with the mk III good heavy attacks. Try that one.

[sleek garden]

Idk about thrust but it would be funny if it stops a rager on full charge

[tame lodge]

"Power" should affect impact, right?

[sleek garden]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Power is dmg, stagger & cleave

[tame lodge]

If I have two blessings with Power, will they stack?

[pallid jetty]

is +20% power worse that +20% impact?

[dreamy spade]

No

It's better

[pallid jetty]

even tho power affects damage and cleave?

[dreamy spade]

Yes that's why its better

[pallid jetty]

no no no

considering only stagger

[tame lodge]

If yes, multiplicative or whatever the term

[tall torrent]

Power is additive with itself

[tame lodge]

Oh, nice

[tall torrent]

+20% power is:
+20% dmg
+20% stagger
+20% cleave

So yes it’s a lot better than just +20% stagger

[pallid jetty]

and +20% impact is +20% stagger?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[pallid jetty]

watahek man

[tall torrent]

Impact is interchangeable with stagger

However

If you’re thinking about Decimator blessing

[pallid jetty]

what does decimator do

[tall torrent]

It’s not that reliable because it drops all stacks on miss

[pallid jetty]

how do you remember all the names

[tall torrent]

I wrote the veteran guide pinned here

Assuming ur talking about shovels

[pallid jetty]

btw, about skullcrusheer

if i push the enemy first, will he be consedered as staggered?

[tall torrent]

I can ask

Not sure abt that one actually

[pallid jetty]

or should i hit him

like it says on the blessing

[dreamy spade]

Idk whether to go deadshot, high stamina and low stability
or
High stability, low movement
with my columnus infantry

[tall torrent]

I can ask, but I’d assume that it requires a damaging hit to apply

[pallid jetty]

idk hom much effort will it take for you to ask!

[tall torrent]

Just did, waiting for a reply

[pallid jetty]

you're saing like you have a chance to be obliterated if you ask

like, "o h uhhmm helo fatshar dev uhh..." "DIE" BOOOOOOM

[tall torrent]

Well the guy isn’t always available and I’ve bothered him with loads of questions recently lol

Most things in this game don’t work as they’re stated

And a lot of things aren’t explained

[tall torrent]

And no I’m not asking devs lol

[pallid jetty]

sad, would be funni

[woven vigil]

aight, thanks for the tips guys. I am gonna go build up my Munitorum and MK7 shovels and see which one I like the most

I fucking love the ogryn MK 5 pooper scooper with the special attack, so if the Vet MK7 is anything like that, I am gonna be into it

[pallid jetty]

these shovels are almost the same, except for the ogryn's one it can kill multiple crushers in 1 hit

with the right blessing

oh, and vet's shovel deals the damage 2 times - on hit, and when you take it out of heretic's brain

[tall torrent]

Both Mk3 and Mk7 can 1 shot crushers with folded heavy (thrust + uncanny), Mk3 has a faster heavy atk but with worse horde clear, Mk7 is more similar to standard issue with better horde moveset but slower folded heavy atk

[dreamy spade]

I fucking hate how trappers and hounds can go straight though walls of crushers and bulwarks

[tame lodge]

At least the hounds push them

[lyric dock]

You love to see it. Being pounced or trapped through a horde

[lilac kayak]

Silent trappers n dogs are fun too

[dreamy spade]

Yeah I've had them too

Or sniper with no laser sight

[lilac kayak]

Silent Spawn poxburster used to be insane tho it's gotten better

[somber axle]

silent spawn poxburster except its 3 poxbursters all clipping into each other to one shot whoever doesn't notice them

[dreamy spade]

I would honestly prefer that to 1 million poxbursters beeping in the walls

I have to turn off my sound

[somber axle]

even funnier if there's someone who thinks they can stand right next to the spawn door for the bursters and shove

and they all just pop and down them instantly

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bcc50ac-460e-4dd1-aa75-aeb9f40a3885/chad-vet
I've been trying to use this but you have to sweat hard

[pallid jetty]

id pick +toughness on elite kill instead of the last 2 keystone buffs

reload speed on the autogun is already very high

i also use brittleness with this autogun, literally melts all the crushers

[dreamy spade]

That one replenishing ammo right?

Or does it take it from your reserve?

[pliant agate]

Being on the right side of the tree , having autogun, and not taking onslaught, is a crime against humanity. But I guess for that build its okayish.

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is a very niche talent

[pliant agate]

Yea, but godly on autoguns and fast firing weps

[tall torrent]

It’s relevant for 2 weapons against only crushers
The DPS gain against non-carapace enemies is fairly small for how many points it takes to reach

[pliant agate]

Cruhsers are my biggest problem with randoms. So I prefer to take it just for them.

[tall torrent]

But at the same time it doesn’t make those 2 weapons good at anti-carapace

There’re way better options for killing crushers normally

[dreamy spade]

Precision strikes might just be the best talent

With aglie engagement

Nevermind there are way better ones

What are the max stacks of bleed an enemy can have?

[sinful jacinth]

15 stacks? Not 100% on that.

Nvm it's 16 stacks.

[tall torrent]

Bleed 16
Burn 31
Soulblaze 31

[frank monolith]

do you know much the max bleed stats do same for burn and soulblaze

[tall torrent]

Sorry I don’t

Psyker’s soulblaze I think someone made a chart

#psyker-class message

[somber axle]

you're absolutely right but it makes the Recon IVd really funny

DPS varies between 1500-1800 depending on how lucky you are with crit strings

also yes I do this in actual matches and it isn't just psykanium fluff

also watch the ammo counter during the volley fire

I used like 11 shots to kill a crusher on a Recon IVd

TTK is probably like 3-4 seconds

CIAG and Plasma are going to kill faster but it's like 1-2 seconds faster

Revolver is faster too

but Recon IVd is funnier

because no one expects this ever in matches

[tall torrent]

It’s Mk VId

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

I don't use any mods to see enemy HP or have floating damage numbers in matches but like if you do you could do funny things like save ammo by watching for when Infernus IV stacks can finish off a target

plus it feels extra funny when you stop shooting at a target, it wanders off, then 3 seconds later it pops up in the kill feed

shoot trapper in the back as they round a corner

trapper dies 2 seconds later

[wanton dawn]

I mean, if you use deadshot ciag shred crusher even without onslaugh

[junior needle]

Ammo, not shots

[somber axle]

you're right but CIAG is in another league
like objectively speaking you can run VoC with CIAG and have similar or better kill potential without needing to invest into Onslaught and have better survivability on top of better kill speed

really any weapon looks weak compared to it on TTK vs Crushers

unless someone can get a Lucius Mk III and manage to get a crit one tap headshot BP with it

even then CIAG is still way more versatile

[junior needle]

People have been rending stacking on the 6d since the talent patch, so that’s a very surprising statement

[somber axle]

I need coffee but you're right LOL

[somber axle]

have they? I haven't seen any other Recon users recently in my matches

they feel so rare

Recon Psykers don't count

[junior needle]

That’s because they’re bad

[somber axle]

LMFAO

there are muuuuch better guns but Onslaught and rending stacking on Recon IVd can make it an anti-crusher weapon too and still be incredibly ammo efficient on kills

[somber axle]

OH

I always forgor the melee weapons

Mk VI push thrust double light swing is fantastic

also the shovels can get a one tap with special heavy yeah?

[somber axle]

wait that didn't even need the 2 follow-up lights

[wanton dawn]

[somber axle]

is that using desperado and 8 stack focus target to make it extra funny?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, it is a funny setup

[somber axle]

love the funny set ups

[wanton dawn]

Though tbf you can achieve that ig with ult

[junior needle]

None of that really had anything to do with the weapon itself though. It’s entirely reliant on the talent tree to compensate for its poor modifiers and abysmal baseline ammo efficiency.

[somber axle]

yeah because do that with shredder autopistol

ok well that's not fair

that's actual dumpster tier

[junior needle]

They’re both actual dumpster tier

And you can with rending stacking.

Makes any automatic open up crushers

[wanton dawn]

The setup is 80 dmg+finesse, BM4, carapace+elite and most passive dmg buff on the tree

[somber axle]

idk Recon VId is amazing for clearing rooms of gunners, reapers, snipers, standard dreg and scab shooters while still being able to swap target and help wipe crushers/maulers in a pinch

CIAG does it better but revolver and plasma are not going to be clearing rooms of ranged enemies quick unless they line up back to back and let the Vet go through all their heads

I like the versatility of Recon VId

[junior needle]

Any automatic can do that

[somber axle]

yeah but Agripina IAG feels very slow and the recoil kicks harder, the Braced Autoguns fall off at longer ranges

Shredder Autopistol could probably just be deleted from the game tbh

[junior needle]

Agri iag is more of a diet headhunter

[somber axle]

Graia IAG is good too but like none of the autoguns can enjoy free crit strings letting you splurge ammo into targets and end up ammo positive when you're wipe out a bunch of specials/elites back to back

[junior needle]

But brautos fuck at close-mid

So the important thing to note

Is that the recons ammo efficiency blows on a baseline, they are not equal to other guns

So when you take shocktrooper

It first has to work past this deficit

[somber axle]

it's definitely not going to be ammo positive on a no ammo auric maelstrom yeah

[junior needle]

In combination with however much juice you have

Because more damage also means more ammo efficiency

[somber axle]

like MrCraime's vid showcasing how fast the CIAG kills without needing Onslaught still dropped from 55 to 36 ammo

[junior needle]

Without onslaught

[somber axle]

even the most OP gun in the game takes more ammo to kill the Crusher

[junior needle]

[somber axle]

I am curious how quick the CIAG would kill a Crusher with my set up though

and how much ammo

need to go back to the Psykanium real quick

[junior needle]

The thing is

You are massively frontloading your ammo efficiency with deadshot (and 100% weakspot hit rate with headhunter)

[somber axle]

yes

the talents make the gun good

the blessings make the gun good

[junior needle]

You do not have infinite deadshot, therefore that ammo use isn’t practical

[somber axle]

if you're running a grey Recon IVd, missing Infernus IV and/or Headhunter IV or not running rending/brittleness then it is very much dumpster tier

[junior needle]

Or excuse me, representative of practical usage

[somber axle]

a grey CIAG is still very useable in Damnation

[junior needle]

Infernus isn’t that big of a deal honestly

[somber axle]

idc about baseline because I'm using the guns at whatever peak I can find

[junior needle]

Gray/talentless ciag gets 3122 maniac headshot dps

[somber axle]

yeah the maniac damage it outputs is insane

I'm still surprised Fatshark let that slide but panic nerfed the Recon IVd

[junior needle]

The peak of other guns still far exceeds the 6d, that’s why baseline is important

The tree acts as a multiplier

[somber axle]

you're right but TTK isn't that different (even if seconds do add up in tense situations)

ammo efficiency is either on par or better

for monstrosities CIAG absolutely leaves the Recon VId in the dust

for softer targets like snipers, trappers, etc. the TTK difference is like milliseconds and for healthier targets like muties a couple seconds-ish

[junior needle]

Millisecond .001

[somber axle]

but if they ever do buff the Recon VId I'm going to become a crazy monster and then probably become bored with the Recon VId and move on to a new weapon

[junior needle]

A difference of .2 seconds is hundreds of milliseconds

[somber axle]

it's not infinite but that's why I'm a clown purposely letting that single poxwalker stand behind me swinging away so my duck and dive can help refill stam during volleys LOL

it's masochist level effort to get the gun to be funny

[junior needle]

That’s one way to do it

Although the gun likely blows through your stamina faster than it can swing

Just keep in mind that effectively

The difference between 2000 dps

And 4000 dps

[somber axle]

oh it does and you will still need to alternate hip-firing during longer volleys to give stam a chance to regen properly

[junior needle]

Is an insane 2000 dps

[somber axle]

if I'm firing for like 6+ seconds then yeah

but also think of how much ammo isn't used

idk the numbers but I'm definitely reloading a lot less than the average user just because the gun is forgetting the ammo counter exists a lot of the time

[junior needle]

The hip firing requirement also leads to a subtraction of overall positive benefits

Big diff in accuracy between recon ads and hip fire

At least when not suppressed

But in the future crit strings are very likely going away

Nearly guaranteed

[somber axle]

I haven't really noticed an issue keeping shots on target even at longer ranges when alternating into hip-fire to conserve stam

but then I main this weapon so I know the feel well

[junior needle]

It has above average hip fire accuracy

But look in the psyk and see the difference in spread

You’ll see what I mean

[somber axle]

the spray does get much wider at long ranges though for keeping headshots rolling on smaller targets

but if I'm spraying at mauler chests, muties, crushers, reapers, bulwarks, etc. then it's not that much trouble and anything smaller is dying faster anyway

oh also I did end up taking my best CIAG into Psykanium for comparison with the exact same set up I use for Recon VId annnnd

(one sec trying to cut the gif so my desktop and other apps are not showing)

gyazo gif is a pain

[umbral granite]

I think Melk is be trying to get me to play knife-veteran...

[somber axle]

wow NICE

also it took a few tries because it's been forever since I've used the CIAG and the recoil caught me by surprise

I wanted to keep all shots on target with the crusher head to make the comparison fair

same distance I did the Recon VId from the center ring in psykanium

I think the TTK is like maybe half a second shorter at most

[umbral granite]

As cool as the knife is... i think I will stick to my trusty chainsword for now

[somber axle]

My CIAG for reference

though swapping flak to carapace could probably get the DPS to much funnier levels on crusher killing

[umbral granite]

Nice

[somber axle]

maybe make it a full 1 second to 1.5 seconds shorter than the TTK on my Recon VId

Recon VId also for reference

[umbral granite]

Frankly, I'm a simple man... i like this simple shotgun.

[somber axle]

weirdly enough (depending on crit strings) the DPS difference seems to be around 400-ish between the two guns

but doesn't translate to much difference on TTK for crushers

onslaught and all the rending talents on CIAG feels like it's worse than the build MrCraime linked tbh

end ammo count at the end of my gif is 32 down from 57 so it consumed more ammo with onslaught funny enough

[wanton dawn]

I linked a build ?

[somber axle]

whoops I made another mistake

[wanton dawn]

The setup was for PS

[somber axle]

I mean the vid you shared earlier with the CIAG

ripping through the Crusher with Focus Target

[wanton dawn]

Ah that

Mostly depend on crit though

[somber axle]

Soldier 69 and I were comparing Recon VId ammo efficiency and TTK vs the CIAG

he said your vid was without onslaught so I decided to swap to my CIAG to test it with my deadshot three stam curio +9 stam rending stacking and onslaught build

I think the build I use is weaker for CIAG than yours though tbh

but I did discover something funny

CIAG is more stam efficient despite being less ammo efficient LMFAO

[wanton dawn]

The problem with adding onslaught to my build is that I would lose on thoughness regen

[somber axle]

I end with like 20-30% of my stam bar on my Recon VId gif while my CIAG gif has half left after the crusher

[somber axle]

your build is fine it was just a moment of curiosity wondering how much onslaught changes TTK

[wanton dawn]

Hmmmm, I think i did some adjustement that I don't remember

AH YES

I tested a version without dnd

[somber axle]

love love love the combo of Exhil Takedown and Confirmed Kill

[wanton dawn]

Allow me to grab some other stuff

[somber axle]

wish I could have both on my Recon VId build but she's such an expensive gun to run talent wise

[wanton dawn]

Well, the problem with that build is that it is squishy

Very bad at clutching

[somber axle]

what do you run for being tanky?

[wanton dawn]

Depends. My current build as agile plasma/ps is standard "tankiness"

It is mostly about your melee perf though

[gilded wraith]

Isn't Duck and Dive ranged dodges only?

[somber axle]

wait is it

[gilded wraith]

Pretty sure.

[somber axle]

have I been doing dumb things for literally no reason? LMFAO

man it's hard being illiterate

I need to read the tooltips properly

[wanton dawn]

In general, tankiness = VoC

[gilded wraith]

Reciprocity is both if that makes you feel better.

[somber axle]

I've loved trying out melee Vet recently with desperado, reciprocity, weapon specialist, etc. and never really gave melee vet a chance until I had to double down on getting my make every shot count penance before the next update drops for penance changes

very comfy playing melee vet

[wanton dawn]

I play "melee" vet right now

Well, it is hybrid

[somber axle]

yeah makes sense

Vet has crazy good ranged already anyway

[wanton dawn]

It is hybrid cuz i do as much damage melee as ranged

All my recent scoreboard screenshot use this build

[somber axle]

it would if I used it with my build 😭

it's wild seeing you do over a million collective damage but your team mates are sitting at 100k to 200k

sometimes under 100k

[wanton dawn]

This is mostly it, with variation depending on aura https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bc6b899-6a0d-4fe4-9c6a-fb623550ac59/psplasma-agile-vet

Not taking ammo regen allow you to reach ogryn dmg, which is nice

[somber axle]

are you just killing everything so fast they never get a chance to do damage or is it just running into weird creatures who struggle

[wanton dawn]

yes

[somber axle]

column a AND column b got it

[wanton dawn]

It happens to fit my playstyle perfectly and have no real weakness

I played with krak before but smoke is better

Cuz now the ranged and specialist come in sword range

[somber axle]

I decided to do a personal challenge recently where I try to play like the teaser trailer/intro squad. No infiltrate, no VoC, no grenade regen, Infantry Lasguns and Chainsword only (I know one used plasma but it kinda trivializes things tbh)

and wow

damnation quickplay gets intense with it

[gilded wraith]

What's ideal smoke grenade placement?

[somber axle]

not having grenade regen to fallback on for easier wave clear or making breathing room consistently during rager packs suddenly appearing in melee range amidst a horde is terrifying

[wanton dawn]

"it depends"

[somber axle]

gotta really make the grenades count

horror game vibes

[gilded wraith]

Heh

[wanton dawn]

On you if stationary, on enemies if you intend to close in

Between you and enemies in open space as it can be used as cover

It makes more sense if you play melee rather than ranged

You need the smoke to help your movement basically

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, wasn't sure if you wanted it in the middle of the enemies, or on yourself.

[wanton dawn]

In general it is better on yourself or between enemies and you

But if you play aggressively, you throw into enemies if there is a ton of gunners

And you close in to kill them

[umbral granite]

Anyone else every just toss 2 grenade into an oncoming hoard and instantly get all your grenades restocked from the sheer number ragers and in that hoard?

(demo team is funny)

[umbral granite]

Watch, hadron will probably brick it.

[dreamy spade]

1 point away from perfect

[gray finch]

its 380 if you count it correctly

[dreamy spade]

Huh

[tame lodge]

0 is a number, since it's the first number, you count it as one, with that logic you count up to 379 and it'll be 380

[gray finch]

80+80+80+80+60=379?

[tame lodge]

💀

[dreamy spade]

Wait what

How is it 379

Some ogyrn must've done the math

[odd sparrow]

the numbers are rounded

[robust kindle]

near perfect knife for me. will prolly switch out unyielding for flak

[dreamy spade]

Bruh

[gusty heart]

is it possible for me to add a scope onto my bolter?

[steep vault]

are you talking about the weapon customisation mod?

yea it's possible

[chilly sparrow]

:D

99% almost every vet penance

just need to do the missions

[steep vault]

me too mate 💀

the mission grinding is almost over

[tall torrent]

get flak over crit chance

and swap riposte for uncanny strike

[robust kindle]

i prefer riposte to uncanny cuz i use my knife mostly for horde clear and that crit chance boosts me up to 60% if im spamming dodge

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity + desperado should already give u a lot of crit chance, but uncanny makes knife significantly better against elites & bosses

[robust kindle]

i switch to columnus for elite killing it does the job way better

[tall torrent]

Not nearly as good vs maulers, crushers & bosses tbh
Unless you put a ton of talent points into making autogun better

I guess it depends on ur playstyle

[robust kindle]

maulers get zero'd cuz their torso is flak anyways. crushers only suck if im not running onslaught, tbj bosses and crushers are like the only weakpoint of my current build but the knife heavy still does decent damage on crit even without uncanny

[frank monolith]

i use uncanny and flesh tearer for both my vet and zealot and both of them can 2 crit tap crushers in the head if uncanny is fully stack (crusher dies from bledge)

[tall torrent]

I use uncanny & flesh as well

it's incredible

[arctic rampart]

anyone have a video or gif demonstrating BM vs sunder on power sword

seeing a lot of people like sunder but when I test I don't get it compared to BM

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/mqLFHXK5aaA?si=iFAov4cBYorBS8Wr

[arctic rampart]

Thanks!

[ember folio]

Whats the most basic *ss COD loadout/talent tree to go for?

Going for prioritizing special kills and having shouty too

[novel stone]

Kline/spooki if you're in here you were a great teamate

Emperor sees you

[north spoke]

Has any cosmetics been data mined yet?

[novel stone]

Nope

[tall torrent]

There’re some just laying around presumably for penance update

[novel stone]

Data mining community in DT is kinda meh

[tall torrent]

As for next cash shop rotation, they’d have to release an update to add smth new

[north spoke]

I just can't wait to see what else we'd get.

[novel stone]

The famed veteran helmet

[tall torrent]

Presumably coming in next update

[supple stag]

Veteran squad leader looks pretty neat

[tiny summit]

Wow. That video makes me never even want to consider BM

[tall torrent]

BM still has way better horde clear & breakpoints

[tiny summit]

It's a PS. Like I give a shit.

[tall torrent]

It’s fairly noticeable especially vs bruisers

[tiny summit]

Eh. They are staggered anyways for another PC4 combo

[tall torrent]

It’s a bit more defensive with horde clear, is what I’m saying

Both are good

Different functions

[ember folio]

suggestions? (wanting special kill)

[tall torrent]

Carapace to maniac
Efficiency to headhunter

[ember folio]

talent tree for special kill and team support?

[tall torrent]

what exactly do u define as team support

[ember folio]

voice of command

ammo supply

[stable socket]

pick those 2 nodes!

then you can add whatever else you want

[last parcel]

i support my team by taking all the ammo

(my team is the moebian 6th)

[pearl storm]

anyone know if these headbands were released yet?

[tall torrent]

Afaik no

[versed swallow]

For the Relentless talent, do I have to get the kill or does it just have to die for the duration to refresh?

[tall torrent]

You have to be the one who makes the kill

[versed swallow]

Rats, so Enhanced Target Priority is almost counter productive and you almost don't want the rest of the team focusing those targets. 😦

[tall torrent]

Kind of

[winter grove]

Why does ogryn get all the cool helmets

[crude fiber]

just also use the marks all shooters talent and never worry about it

[tame lodge]

Or you might as well be telling your team where the enemies are

Plus it's 5 seconds

You can keep killing longer than that

[tiny summit]

It's OK. I've asked many random games, most appreciate seeing specials through walls. Exe refresh and Tac Aware already have its uptime good enough.

[terse idol]

I mean it helps

[chilly sparrow]

Got a real nice knife, feels nice to use.

[terse idol]

First target 40, finesse 59%

🥺

I'm sorry but this is a bad knife

Great if you feel great using it though!

[umbral granite]

My plasteel supplies are running pretty low... guess it's time to start grinding again...

[tiny summit]

I'm not playing until update

[jaunty merlin]

Did they say they were reworking how crafting work? I kind of thought it would be this update

[tame lodge]

No, this one is penances

Later on the year, crafting

[tiny summit]

They only gave a scope of what is "next" and that's in the pipeline. Obviously not ready this next update

[tame lodge]

Tox bomber and gas modifier

Also personality scourge

[chilly sparrow]

Beating Mojang's record of one mob a year out the park

[umbral scaffold]

still dont know why their vote thing is a thing with 3 different mobs just add them all its super easy

modders can cook some sauce in like a week

but a dev in a year cant do more than 1 sounds debilitating

[ornate garnet]

I just started playing vet to finish all my classes and this has to be the stupidest talent i've seen

[winter grove]

Stupidest in what way?

[ornate garnet]

Way too good

[last parcel]

and then look at what comes after it on the left

[ornate garnet]

I never bothered to undestand why my teammates spammed voice of command faster than i could shriek but that explains it

[radiant chasm]

counterpoint, zealot crit cdr is dumber

[junior rivet]

crit cdr with chorus is my shit

spam relic every ten seconds in horde

sometimes less

[winter grove]

Welcome to vet realm

[ornate garnet]

That's true, but it only works with one ult. Also i mainly play psyker so i don't see it too often

[winter grove]

We've got access to all stupidest guns too

CIAG, Plasmagun, Revolvers

It's all here

[radiant chasm]

waste of dps

tbh

better to use crit cdr with fury of the faithful so you can keep the crit swing and buff maximized

[winter grove]

Or

Commit to the funny

And make the horde unable to do anything

[tame lodge]

The Relic feels lonely, present it to new people

[wanton plume]

dafuq i just realize that your stamina will drain when you shoot while aiming down sight

[last parcel]

are you using the deadshot talent

[winter grove]

Only with deadshot

[wanton plume]

ah i see

[daring jungle]

Give me a day or two, and i will have these ready for darktide lmao

[woeful ibex]

Anyone got the datamined content for The loyalist moebian 6th?

[umbral scaffold]

@last parcel about the locks or the shop lol ?

Great pottential for anything tbh

[winter grove]

Why do ogryns get best leaked helmets

[last parcel]

the emperor loves our big men

[woeful ibex]

any more datamine?

[vague smelt]

beard be clipping