veteran-class

[agile forge]

Generally you make sure your melee is great at crowds then

[shy maple]

well given that this game isnt that "hard" so to speak in a general sense but i my buddies usually do really great with their zaelot / psyker

[agile forge]

Veteran has lots of great melee options

Mark IV chainsword is amazing antihorde if your ranged can handle ogryn/maulers and bigger

[tall torrent]

All 4 classes have their own unique broken interactions

[junior needle]

The 13g is apparently better for that purpose

[shy maple]

well knife zaelot for example being absurdly broken

[junior needle]

Well, not exactly knife. Stealth zealot is very strong in a good players hands though.

[agile forge]

I heard the inverse? That the IV is the fastest horde clear for Vet?

[junior needle]

Nope, 4 chainsword doesn't beat rashad or psword last I checked

[agile forge]

XIIIg has really incoherent combos I thought

[junior needle]

You don't combo on the 13g

[tall torrent]

You’re not gonna be clearing bruisers nearly as fast as Rashad and PS6

[junior needle]

You light spam

[agile forge]

Bruisers are less good, true

[elder fiber]

the "broken" thing with zealot besides surviving bullshit with twbs + holy rev is crit cdr

[tame lodge]

Let me tell you about evis 15 bloodthirsty...

[tall torrent]

And they’re kind of the horde enemy that matter most

[agile forge]

But it mulches the basic hordes without having to do the power sword thing

Can't talk broken zealot melee without bringing up The Crusher

[junior needle]

Crusher good but requires you to actually combo for everything

[tall torrent]

Try martyrdom Rashad with +65% melee dmg and +50% melee atk speed

[agile forge]

you can turn your brain off and light spam too if you're bad

but the combos are easy

[shy maple]

that shit cant solo hardmode twins

[agile forge]

alternating heavies and lights

[tame lodge]

Short work of a pack of crushers

[elder fiber]

yeah and you can have crit cdr on top of that lmao

[shy maple]

or just tap them two or three times with the dagger and they bleed to death lol

[tall torrent]

Rashad doesn’t really go crits that much

[elder fiber]

with enough attack speed anything is possible

[tame lodge]

Shred their heads once and start the chain

Rip and tear

[junior needle]

Too much work

[midnight totem]

wooot

finally found handcannon 4

[frank basin]

Congratulation

[crude fiber]

almost had a no damage shredder game

[jovial hinge]

Best plasma perks?

[lyric dock]

Take your pick between unyeilding, Carapace, Maniac are solid choices

Damn Melk. That's a pretty solid Boltor you have on rotation

[winter grove]

Where are you checking this?

[dawn garnet]

https://accounts.atoma.cloud/dashboard

[gray finch]

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/armoury-exchange/hcjihmkcnjkfkaeebhnpjcnnibpoolgc

[midnight totem]

damn, melk is selling some good shit today for one of my vets

also a rampage 4 blessing eviscerator for my zealot to take

[lyric dock]

Sometimes you get some Diamonds in the trash

[final locust]

Any idea when the next announced update releases?

[final stag]

End of the month supposedly

So 2 weeks.

[final locust]

f

[lethal sorrel]

Does it display blessings you have yet to earn ?

[tall torrent]

don't think so

[lethal sorrel]

aww

[junior needle]

Sometime ||next week||

[midnight totem]

does Deadshot work with no stamina?

[tall torrent]

No

[junior needle]

Nope

That would make it way better than it is

[midnight totem]

gotcha

anyway, finally got a real good columnus ag courtesy of Melk

took it for a test drive in a hig int damnation, I absolutely see why its broken as shit

[junior needle]

It does do a lot of damage

[rigid pilot]

Next week we get announcement of the patch

I hope they just throw one new weapon mark in there at least

[junior needle]

Next week

[raw steppe]

nice roll

Craft that unarmored to maniac and itll be perf

Deadshot ciag is absolutely disgusting

[tiny summit]

They delete the columnus brauto

[junior needle]

cobrauto is actually just poopoo

No redeeming qualities, just worse dps and ammo efficiency

[rigid pilot]

How would they balance brautos

Better ADM? More damage? Or just increase firerate and mag

[trim hemlock]

Make them distinct from one another in attributes other than modifiers and rate of fire/base damage

[late hatch]

Well they could have diff rounds, like ap, hp, incendiary.

[worthy ore]

Did not get response in #1158835044006232215 so posting here to see if I can get any feedback

#1158835044006232215 message

Looking to see if there would be any improvement I can go for

[trim hemlock]

There's certainly some things I would personally change in this build, but I can't go into extreme detail

(I'm at work, let's just say I prefer not having to type entire walls of text )

What is your ranged weapon?

Alright, in any case, this is what I would do:

• Red - remove these, you probably don't need them,
• Orange - consider taking over whatever else you have selected in that row,
• Green - definitely consider taking these,
• Pink - luxury choices, take if you can afford them
• Note: "Low Profile" upgrade for Infiltrate is probably the best upgrade you can take for this ability, if you know how to use it correctly. I'd consider taking only it (an maybe "Overwatch") instead of the other upgrades, or at least one less upgrade from the ones you have, though - having too many points in it is making you potentially weaker in other areas.

On the knife, change WS damage to a damage perk, whichever you like

You may also want to drop Executor for Flesh Tearer or Uncanny Strike (pick Uncanny only if you don't plan on taking Exploit Weakness)

I'd probably do something like this:

I can think of at least 3 other choices I could have made to "drastically" change how this build operates

(also I forgot to unspend one point from Tactical Reload, don't @ me )

[trim hemlock]

I didn’t ping you, I noticed. Above is a reply to your question

[worthy ore]

Thank you so much. I'll go through your notes soon

[umbral scaffold]

game's runs like shit on proton, funny thing isn't even related to hardware or drivers....fps just drops

[worthy ore]

I'm using braced autogun have to check which one I forgot but I'm not married to it so can change

[worthy ore]

So I'll also add to this that I'm trying to make a knife vet that's not a speedy Gonzalez but can slide through stuff with extreme mobility and maintain toughness. Currently I do it but my kill rate per minute isn't great on elites.

[trim hemlock]

I think it could work with Brauto if you really want, although the ideal firearms for it are probably a Columnus Infantry Autogun or Zarona revolver

[worthy ore]

Revolvers my beloved...

[trim hemlock]

Although I wouldn’t take Weapon Specialist keystone with a CIAG - taking a detour for Onslaught in that tree might be a good idea for supplementing the lack of a keystone, though

I love Vets’ tree. So many good things to take and so little points

[umbral scaffold]

oh and u all still suck arses as a community

[wanton dawn]

You're welcome

[winter grove]

You're welcome karker

[old apex]

What prompted this

[wanton dawn]

Do not even start to worry about it

[old apex]

Alright!

[winter grove]

Don't worry about it

Anyway

[wanton dawn]

I don't think I remember him not being mad at the community

[winter grove]

I wanna flex the fact that hadron gave me decimator 4, flakiac +25 on both on my shovel mk 7

If hadron gives me a uncanny strike 4 on last upgrade then I'd get perfect shovel without swapping out shit

[umbral scaffold]

it's cuz u are assembled the other way around .....anyway proton>FPS drops>fixes.....NOW

[umbral scaffold]

it's a 'want' or a 'must' that build?

[trim hemlock]

There are no “musts” in Vet’s tree, IMO, but some options are just very good

Like Iron Will

The tree would look slightly differently if I wanted it to be bare-boned

[umbral scaffold]

there aren't but really really working builds are basically just 2, everything else is just 'i wanna try something else'

[trim hemlock]

Big disagree

[winter grove]

Veteran is good for people that go "I wanna try this out"

I am one of those people

[trim hemlock]

If the person asking the question defined that they wanted to:

• Use Shredder frag
• Use Infiltrate
• Use speed aura
• Use a combat blade with undefined properties

It'd probably be this, and even then you could make an argument about some things being redundant (but I like taking a lot of WS damage on Cblade, especially since they're basically free and their also pair nicely with some of the ranged weapons)

[trim hemlock]

Okay, regardless of what I have followed-up your reply with, what would these two builds be?

[winter grove]

Like I've got stealth build with weapons specialist using dclaw and a agri shotgun

It might not be the best damage dealer to single targets

But survivability and crowd control I get is uncanny

[umbral scaffold]

this i meant: options are kraks instad of frags (frags>kraks), and u choose between WS tree or focus target...everything else is fine for fuck around, but non optimal

[winter grove]

Veteran just has a thing for everyone

[trim hemlock]

I'd say that top middle tree is not the only option - pathing through Vanguard and Out for Blood is also extremely good. Kill Confirmed is just not as good if you have a button that replenishes your entire Toughness and makes space.

And even then we're in a state of the game where even builds that don't perform optimally are generally fine, which is both a good and a bad thing in the long run.

If I want to make an Infiltrate build that is excellent at making the mission faster, because I am committed to make good use of Low Profile and make mid-map/end objectives go faster, I'm doing my part, it's a method of playing the game

And I don't really care for what people are running, as long as they can stay alive and kill, and staying above that line is generally not hard and more tied to player skill - more than the choices they have made in the skill tree.

[umbral scaffold]

not the only one but the optimal.....i say this cuz i had a lot of confusion as a new player, u know one jump in the discord sees the build and than don't works for him....those 2 i mentioned works everytime

[trim hemlock]

Because VoC is ridiculous and makes playing Veteran a sneeze

[winter grove]

That's true

VoC is a get out of the jail for free card for everyone

[trim hemlock]

Pair that with a Plasma gun and you might as well not be playing the game

But hey, who am I to judge - I don't mind people playing these things, even if they occasionally make my experience worse (because their build requires minimal effort from them for ridiculous output performance)

[umbral scaffold]

also all the party for vets are in the lower trees...everything above the class ability is bordeline garbage, except for a few nodes

i mean this is the stuff that makes vet the best class

[trim hemlock]

Generally only the top/middle left side of the tree struggles IMO, because the skills that are there are… well, situational

[winter grove]

Wait what are you even arguing about

[trim hemlock]

Whereas a skill that grants you a free grenade every 60s? That’s insane value.

[winter grove]

Veteran is a 3d printer of ammo and grenades

[umbral scaffold]

yes but have to build synergy between nodes to do that

u need all this to build ammo properly

[winter grove]

It's not hard at all

[umbral scaffold]

(save for the class ability of course, that' isn't related to ammo)

[winter grove]

Uh huh

So what did I say wrong

Veteran is a 3d printer for ammo and grenades

[umbral scaffold]

nothing, just saying how to do it

[winter grove]

I am

Quite aware how

[trim hemlock]

Veteran can be a printer for these things

You don’t need ammo aura and grenades, although you are missing out on some value if you don’t take either

[winter grove]

I mean default veteran without upgrades is still an ammo printer

[umbral scaffold]

they produce also quite a lot of pain

[winter grove]

I mean true

Free grenades on high difficulty is a godsent gift though

[trim hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/come-over-its-free-real-estate-commercial-gif-13719638

[winter grove]

You can probably handle lack of ammo aura

But you know

Your teammates don't appreciate that

[trim hemlock]

I don’t take ammo Aura on Helbros for instance - I will not be using a lot of ammo myself to truly need it, and my team will have more ammo cans for themselves.

[winter grove]

I run combat shotgun and speed aura and meet no problem with ammo since I pull it out either to snipe the elite/specials in one shot or for 1-2 shots to proc weapon specialist

[trim hemlock]

I do take it on most of other builds though - it’s really free, especially since most of the time I path for Shredder frags regardless

[winter grove]

Only the stealth vet with dclaw doesn't have ammo auro for me

Everything else of course does

I like playing darktide as FPS

[midnight totem]

It is a fps

[umbral scaffold]

idk...imagine shock troops gauntles without it, it's like u don't need ammo drops

ammo pickups are superfluous with ammo aura, not the other way around

anyway imagine replace the smoke granades (useless as fuck) with melta bombs😍

[winter grove]

I like not getting shot by 13 dreg shotgunners and twice as much shooters so smoke grenades aren't useless

[umbral scaffold]

just slide and run u giving your blitz for something you can already do, and there are 100000 things that works better than smokes....gimme my fucking melta bomb instead, nuke half of the map and teamates alike

[winter grove]

There were several people telling you how smokes have their uses

I am not engaging in that conversation again

You just went "nuh uh they're useless"

[lyric dock]

I see smoke being good for 1 thing and 1 thing only

Being used to grief your team while playing supportive with it

[hoary horizon]

Nah if lil un have enemy marked make job easy

[winter grove]

Sicario payday 2

[umbral scaffold]

i'm glad you too have come to the conclusion that smokes are totally useless....good job👍

[agile forge]

Smokes are good for dropping my framerate to 4

But then the framerate drop doesn't kill me

So they must be defensively pretty strong

[umbral scaffold]

they will work better if they'll summon an ogryn instead of smoke....they do same thing but the ogryn at least block less vision

[agile forge]

I've never used them but the last time I saw somebody else use them I was impressed

[umbral scaffold]

impressed by smokes or by the playable cover?

[midnight totem]

I kinda wish smokes highlighted enemies inside it

That's all

[dawn garnet]

had 3 vets once and no one ran survivalist

spent the whole game with no ammo

[midnight totem]

Good

[lyric dock]

Were the vets using Recon las guns by any chance?

[dawn garnet]

one revolver and 2 autoguns? idk the revolver guy was at least good with hunting snipers

[lyric dock]

I shall silently those 3 vets for not one of them to think "Maybe I should swap auras"

[dawn garnet]

i have their names in my dodge sheet tbh

[lyric dock]

The only time I block someone is purposely grief the game or is very fowl

[dawn garnet]

that only happened to me like once or twice

[lyric dock]

Do love getting a empty brunt (Filter trash mod)

[dawn garnet]

classic brunt

[fluid solstice]

0% mobility is nuts

[split sapphire]

I have a couple chain swords rn, 1 has Wrath III and savage sweep IV, making slicing crowds easier, then the other has devestating strike and bloodletter. I like that on tough enemies and monsters for stacking the hurt

Imo at least, i think it's fun

[fluid solstice]

I've been running a chainaxe lately, and I kinda fuck with it for the same reason. The crowds never stood a chance

[split sapphire]

Those 2 blessing from my first sword i mentioned, can have a maximum cleave of 375%, 25% less then sunder on the power sword but that precentage is still good

Slices through hordes like a hot knife through butter

[junior needle]

Worth noting that excesses of cleave can very easily become redundant at a certain point due to target caps

(This is a hard limit of targets damaged in a single swing on the weapon, although you can still "hit" beyond that number albeit for no damage)

[split sapphire]

K

Thanks tho

[junior needle]

k

[fluid solstice]

Would a no damage hit still stagger?

[split sapphire]

Well no offense to those who think weapons should be made a certain way to get the most out of it. That's fine, i just like weapons the way i find them to not only be effective, but fun as well. That's just me

[vivid silo]

Chain Axes are the bomb! I have such a hard time going back to anything else, because everything else just feels so whimpy compared to the glorious Chain Axes.

Also, using one of the non-meta weapons is a great way to brush up on your melee fundamentals to ensure one doesn't rely on something broken

[warm olive]

What weapon is considered broken ATM in melee ?

[white minnow]

yeah it'll still stagger; so only the damage is capped

the good thing is that only a very few amount of melee weapons have a target cap

so you're only limited by the amount of cleave you have, whether you hit carapace armour (which stops all finite cleave unless you have the Perfect Strike or Sunder), or the ability of the server to keep up (e.g., if you stack >100 enemies on top of each other, even with infinite cleave you won't hit all enemies)

[trim hemlock]

For Vet or in general?

[warm olive]

In general

I know knife is played a lot on vet

[junior needle]

Yes.

[fluid solstice]

How do people make knife work, anyways?

How are you supposed to use it?

[warm olive]

Strong crit dmg

[junior needle]

Depends on which variant

[warm olive]

Good cleave

[junior needle]

Strong finesse damage, the cleave isn't very good though

[warm olive]

And movement with heavy attack

[warm olive]

It's decent honestly

[junior needle]

It's at 3 for light attacks, which is about average or a bit below for a non strikedown

[junior needle]

Knives also lack good cleave/power increase blessings

[fluid solstice]

Fuck you I'm struggling to keep a straight face in class

[junior needle]

So although a taxe 4 and a knife have the same cleave on lights, a taxe 4 with headtaker can get the 2 scab bruiser breakpoints and notably more cleave of flimsier targets

Whereas knives chug it hitting only one scab bruiser at a time unless you take executor which is just substantially worse than headtaker due to dropping on non-weakspot hits

[split sapphire]

Well if 1 were to state the best blessings/ perks for the chainsword. What would those be, i'm curious now, and also why would they be the

[junior needle]

Knife 6 clears with heavy spam/weaving so it can hit more but it's only a slight increase in actual clear speed

[vivid silo]

It depends on who you ask. Knife is generally pretty awesome right now, PS 6 is also very strong in the situations it excel at, Combat Axe mk II is also VERY good

[hollow ibex]

knife on vet is good mostly because of the mobility

[junior needle]

If you intend to light spam (light spam for clear on 13g is mandatory) then wrath and either rampage or shred.

[hollow ibex]

though the single target is decent

[split sapphire]

Ah

[warm olive]

Mk2 axe is the one with the overhead strike?

[junior needle]

Rashad has overheads of the heavies

2x diagonals 1x horizontal on lights

iirc

[warm olive]

That 1 is fun to play

[vivid silo]

Both the Rashad (Mk II) and Antax (Mk V) havde overhead strikes

Rashad is generally considered slightly stronger due to Finesse stat, but the Antax has a superior special attack

Both work very well

[junior needle]

Rashad is also easier to build due to having the finesse stat, although still quite hard

But antax is harder because it has a bum stat for damage by comparison

[vivid silo]

True. Hopefully a lot of that changes "next week" with the crafting overhaul

[junior needle]

The attack speed is fairly noticeable as well, not so much on lights but definitely on heavies

Didn't that announcement say the penance rework was coming first and that crafting overhaul was coming after?

[vivid silo]

Aye that sounds about right. It's probably quite a bit in the future

[warm olive]

Yeah hopefully it's less random to get weapons

I mean I'm just playing since 3 weeks but it seems hell to do several build on chars

[vivid silo]

Aye, I have only minmaxed 1 of my characters for that reason

I have plenty of ressources, the process is just so demovating and unrespectful of my time

demotivating*

[hollow ibex]

i'm sure it'll be out by april

||of next year||

[trim hemlock]

• PS6 on Vet
• Duelling sword 4/Illisi and Deimos force swords on Psyker
• Crusher on Zealot
• Combat axe Mk2 on all humans
• Ogryn doesn’t really have “OP” melee weapons, but the ones that are most used are probably Mk1/Mk3b bully club, Mk4 cleaver and maybe either of the fold shovels. Shield also has some merit for relatively good anti-bruiser breakpoints on certain builds

[vivid silo]

All those weapons have a distinct lack of "VRRRR", hence they are unuseable!

[warm olive]

DS4 is pretty fun on psyker tho

[vivid silo]

I don't disagree though

[warm olive]

Even without the Vrr

[vivid silo]

Aye it also looks cool as hell fencing your way through hordes, I guess that one can get a free pass

but then you HAVE to make the sounds with your mouth manually

[warm olive]

With scryer gaze it's yummi

[tall torrent]

crafting overhaul prob isn't coming in 6 months

next major update is penance system update

which is likely to release around April

crafting is after that

[dawn garnet]

crafting system cant come soon enough i keep seeing people who mod their stuff with literal traps like weapoint or crit damage

[trim hemlock]

With or without the system, people will spec into those things regardless

Besides, we don’t even know what FS will do to alleviate the current crafting-related systems

[dawn garnet]

they could be buffed a bit or something

like i'm sure their whole idea with the crafting system is to "be happy with what you get" which is perfectly fine assuming stuff was balanced

[old quail]

i think the biggest reveal for me was how many ppl are just not at all concerned with meta and just kinda have stuff on their weapons as vibes

[dawn garnet]

why would i ever use barrage when it does nothing

[old quail]

like crafting is still a major issue, but knowing how many ppl are just slappin shit on and calling it a day makes me kinda understand why it hasnt been dealt with yet

[dawn garnet]

tbh reading talent tooltips as bad as they are puts the average player in the top 20%

[old quail]

i see dudes running weakspot damage on ogryn melees, which all have like terrible finesse multis

and thats a perk. u dont grind for that. u change it at will

[dawn garnet]

assuming they didnt remove something useful to add it in

[old quail]

i dont even wanna think about that

[dawn garnet]

legit anything else is better stamina isnt even that bad compared to weakpoint

[old quail]

+stam on a weapon would be interesting if blocking n stuff mattered more

on 2/4 classes u can be completely stam neutral or even stam positive when sprint sliding

[dawn garnet]

sounds like you dont have a knife with sprint eff and stamina for speed running weeklies

[old quail]

u dont need either on knife for psyker or vet

u just take the stam regen delay nodes on vet and u get it for free on psyker

infinite stam for sprinting

[dawn garnet]

ikr zealot is crazy with the stamina

and psyker has crazy stamina regen

[old quail]

the way stamina works atm is just so weird

sliding should probably not let u regen it

[dawn garnet]

yeah

[old quail]

but also we do not need to make stamina worse as a mechanic because blocking is so worthless in 99% of situations

[trim hemlock]

Sliding forward should use stamina

I hate how sliding forward is “optimal” for maintaining high stamina

[dawn garnet]

and backwards should restor it 😂

[trim hemlock]

I REFUSE to do that

[white minnow]

and also your speed doesn't increase that much from sprinting at a nonzero amount of stamina

especially if you're doing the sliding movetech with knife

because your sprint speed always resets back to the full speed whenever you reenter a sprint

even when entering a sprint at zero stamina

[dawn garnet]

knives are so great i love being able to do assassination missions in 8 minutes

[white minnow]

and if you're zealot, you maintain 75% of your sprint bonus at zero stamina anyways

compared to psyker and vet who only maintain 50% of it

which is still not bad cuz you can just do the slide attack movetech

[old quail]

movement in this game is deranged

[trim hemlock]

Indeed

The fact that our trousers don’t get all torn up from sliding is…

Despicable

[white minnow]

sliding does prevent your dodge count frrom resetting which is p neat

that's one interaction that i quite like

albeit the fact that it's not visualized at all is a sin

where's my native dodge counter UI

[dawn garnet]

thats why you take them off

[junior needle]

People very often confuse the effect of barrage with the natural effects of the weapon (this happens very often with brautos). They also often don't know that most enemies are outright immune to suppression.

So that's why shitters keep using it

But honestly I'm pretty sure keeping a bunch of shit blessings in the pool

[trim hemlock]

I think I might have stumbled upon this person at some point in time

[junior needle]

is entirely intentional for "player retention" purposes

Same with a bunch of shit perks no one really wants

It's there to inflate the grind

[trim hemlock]

Or for the purpose of making a certain weapon absolutely overkill in some completely redundant aspects

Like Hammers having all the manner of crowd control blessings when the weapon struggles to damage anything past 1st target

[junior needle]

In fairness you can at least stagger things beyond the first even if you don't do damage

(Assuming you have enough cleave)

But yeah those are absolute dog and should be reworked into something useful or removed

[dawn garnet]

i felt true fear

[trim hemlock]

Or stagger blessings translating into damage, in some way. Skullcrusher succeeds at doing that, somewhat.

But it’s essentially a debuff

The others would need to be reworked quite significantly

[junior needle]

They could just add a mechanic like no respite into the game baseline

But it would make doing theoretical damage calcs an absolute nightmare

[umbral scaffold]

dear Crapshark why you say a game runs on protons if it runs like shit on proton?....totally random teleporting maulers last time, and i have 130+ fps, so has to be the netcode being crap

[dreamy spade]

thoughts?

[midnight totem]

May the bonk be with you

[dawn garnet]

I love the random loadtimes too

could take 10 minutes could take 10 seconds who knows

[junior needle]

Stopping power is a bit low on the plasma so that could mess up breakpoints for you. Gets hot is more value than blaze away on plasma generally

[pearl granite]

which blessing and perk should i have on a mk7 headhunter?

[trim hemlock]

Surgical and Deadly Accurate seemed to be mentioned often, although I’m unsure what the BIS perks are

Might be Maniac + something else

Unarmoured? Elites? It was one of these two, if memory serves right

[terse idol]

Maniac flak

Mostly

[trim hemlock]

Headhunter is also an option as a blessing, but Surgical is more consistent

[tall torrent]

Unarmored, Flak, Elite

Flak is for scab rager 1HS

[trim hemlock]

[terse idol]

[junior needle]

Surgical is much, much better than HH on the vraks 7

It has the good 0.2s surgical too

[pearl granite]

thanks guys

[pearl granite]

not surgical 4, but usable I guess 😄

[dawn garnet]

lemme guess deadly accurate is the same as the weakpoint blessing

[midnight totem]

I actually like opening Salvo on my vraks 7

[grand perch]

is there a more pointless weapon than the braced revolver?

i see 0 reason to ever use it

[midnight totem]

Yes

Shredder pistol

[grand perch]

that at least can kind of maybe stagger a horde

[analog mural]

Recon lasguns

[dawn garnet]

burst fire weapons

[midnight totem]

Braced revolver is incredibly deadly against bosses

[grand perch]

why so?

[midnight totem]

High damage and fire rate?

[grand perch]

disagree, luv me headhunters (even tho the 2-shot is kind of awkward)

[dawn garnet]

2 shot with an odd number of bullet mag

[umbral scaffold]

ahhh yes....priceless crap

[midnight totem]

Its got ample stopping power. It just lacks the precision of the Zarona. Which is arguably what you usually look for in a revolver, precision

[dawn garnet]

sounds like french design

[midnight totem]

Also no cleave

[umbral scaffold]

tbh just a grey will work 99% of the situations😂

there's weapons that are good just as they are, blessings are just overkill

[grand perch]

but given he asked about blessings and not greys, its surgical + open salvo or deadly accurate imo

[umbral scaffold]

yeah but running greys he'll be more chad

[junior needle]

I wouldn’t say the headhunters are one of those

Only the ciag comes immediately to mind

And I guess brautos have unimpressive blessings as well

[junior needle]

You can juice the boss damage for some sick psyk showcases but the gun is substantially worse in every other way

[umbral scaffold]

i meant the shovel replyed to the wrong person

[junior needle]

[midnight totem]

I never said it was good, just not the worst xD

[junior needle]

Fair, Mk2 recon is likely the worst. But it’s not far from the bottom

I do prefer opening mechanically but damn if there isn't a big damage difference between it and deadly

[grand perch]

yeah i prefer deadly accurate myself as well. makes it possible to 2shot crushers

that fov tho, jeez

[junior needle]

I’ve maxed it out to help see the silent enemies

[void rampart]

[junior needle]

I hate Apple so much

[void rampart]

some scrap code just leaked from your phone there haha

[junior needle]

Try to send an image and it sends it as a “plist”

[pearl granite]

just tried the vrak mk3 and 7 in battle. feel good when scoring headshot but it's so hard to aim when shit hit the fan 🤣

[midnight totem]

I really like vraks 3 with weapon specialist

It's my go to when not using a revolver or plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

my top 3 guns in this game are the plasma gun, the gun that shoots plasma, and that glowing thing that shoots fireballs of plasma

[midnight totem]

I think that guy likes plasma guns

[umbral scaffold]

u can also cosplay any regiment you want in this game

[austere pine]

what's the ranking of DClaw marks?

[tall torrent]

Use 4 or 7
1 isn’t that great

[austere pine]

not every
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mordian_Iron_Guard
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lucifer_Black
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Attilan_Rough_Riders
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Catachan_Jungle_Fighter

and my personal favorite, though it could be argued you can, https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mordant_Acid_Dogs

[umbral scaffold]

...many, the important bit is to use plasma

[austere pine]

plasma >.>

[tall torrent]

I think there was a rotation with armor & color scheme similar to the character arts present in the acid dog page

[austere pine]

similar, but definitely not it

[tall torrent]

Do acid dogs even have a defined uniform

[austere pine]

from what i see, they use gear similar to the cadians with a more guerilla-like equipment, but that's about it

[tall torrent]

This one looked pretty similar

(Excluding the helmet)

[austere pine]

aka kantrael-pattern things

looks about right. not enough straps though

[worthy ore]

So I made these changes to see the effect and I'm seeing great results. Now I gotta find a way to take down those pesky bulwarks and I'm golden

[tiny summit]

I would say consider trying out demo team over stockpile if you play auric. I tend to be fine with grenade supply with demo team on my non-VoC builds

[tall torrent]

Consider ranged weapons that can open bulwarks, or using grenades

[winter grove]

So wrath is bad on dclaw?

[tall torrent]

Not as good as savage sweep

[worthy ore]

Jatk grenade then

[tall torrent]

Frags can stagger bulwarks

[worthy ore]

Right right

[umbral scaffold]

plasma can one shoot them

[tall torrent]

2

[wanton dawn]

I managed to get fulll elite, special, and boss aggro while being on the back

2 boss

[worthy ore]

I'll alternate between kark and frag to see what I'm liking more.

[winter grove]

Then I have to roll for another good mk4

Shiet

[tall torrent]

Wrath is fine, just generally not as good as savage sweep for weapons with actually good cleave values

[winter grove]

I really just need rampage on my dclaw

[umbral scaffold]

frags better, i'm just out from the phase of one-shotting ogryns with kraks

[wanton dawn]

Am going back to VoC

[worthy ore]

Interesting choice. What made you jump out?

[tall torrent]

2 frags wipe hordes

[gray finch]

why?

[worthy ore]

We talking trash horde or horde of bulwarks and such

[wanton dawn]

see message above

[gray finch]

yea but that a normal think you just kill it all xD

[tall torrent]

Mixed hordes

Ragers, maulers, bulwarks

[umbral scaffold]

frags have more utility, can be used against gunners, in hordes and to middlefinger bosses....kraks are just useful to dispatch bulwarks and crushers quickly

[worthy ore]

Love to see them blow up into 2

[tall torrent]

Bonus points if you run shovel/knife with uncanny strike
Then they actually wipe everything

[umbral scaffold]

it's more chad when you plant a pickaxe in a crusher's head trust me

[worthy ore]

Trying out knife vet so I'm far from pickaxing crushers right now

[tall torrent]

Knife wants uncanny strike usually

[worthy ore]

I'm a sheep in wolf's clothing. Playing zoomy knife vet like a knife Zealot

[umbral scaffold]

WS build?

[worthy ore]

I'm not good with acronyms, noob here what's WS

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist keystone

[worthy ore]

😢 I lack it.

[worthy ore]

Aha yes. Yes indeed I got that one after someone recommended it to add in my current build

[tall torrent]

If you ever thought +10% dodge distance on knife wasn’t enough
You can go +20% with weapon specialist

[umbral scaffold]

if u aren't optimizing just with ws is decent

u need the more critcal on dodge thinghy node, i don't remember the name

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity

[worthy ore]

That I got

[tall torrent]

Knife & tac axe are the only 2 melee weapons that really want it usually

[worthy ore]

It's helpful and survivability is also good, gotta get materials to rng the heck out of that damn knife.

I play lot of Zealot, idk if anyone has met me from here, I go by Dhanno nametag. So knife play sorta suits me

[umbral scaffold]

also remebmer dodge and spam light attacks....don't play Psycho

[worthy ore]

It's bleed all day baby

I usually smack smack smack light attacks while keeping my dodge dance up and thin out hordes.

But I am mostly going after elites in my team.

But when I see bulwarks I backtrack

[umbral scaffold]

on vet is when you switch on your ranged, since vet are practically immune to weapons fire

[worthy ore]

So I'm switching between gun to pick one or two trash mobs and diving into elites

I don't know if that's ideal for this build but I find to be killing at least 4-5 elites before I repeat the cycle. To be more efficient

[tall torrent]

Bleed build on knife isn’t that great for veteran

[worthy ore]

Feels fun though

[tall torrent]

It’s usually crit/finesse

With uncanny

Bleed is funny but Dmg isn’t as good

And veteran doesn’t have as high melee crit chance like zealot to use flesh tearer’s crit bleed better

[worthy ore]

Probably, I find chasing the biggest numbers often sucks the fun out of the game so I find only A tier builds and optimize them as I like. Helps keep the fun up

[umbral scaffold]

for me the ez way to play is using a shovel to deal with hordes, hounds and 'i don't have a name for that' also shoots once in while in the middle of an horde to mowing down a column of mobs and using ranged for anything else

[worthy ore]

I already have other vet builds that can rip through most maps but I want one build in the arsenal that's just not like the other ones

[umbral scaffold]

wait...

[worthy ore]

Can be practically kept up entire map as long as you're doing the dodge dance

[umbral scaffold]

it's 35% crit change

rec is passive basically if you are using knife

[tall torrent]

Yea, that’s not as high as zealot

Zealot scourge + blazing piety is +55%

[dreamy spade]

whats the multiplier for crit on plasma

[tidal bane]

hey folks, is there anything you guys would change about this chainsword? on paper the perks sound good but i remember seeing a reddit thread on weak spot perks not being as effective

[tall torrent]

Class base 5%
Knife base 15%
Reciprocity + desperado: +35%
Scourge + blazing piety: +55%

Veteran ends up with 55% total, zealot ends up with 75% total

Flesh tearer wants 2 crits to max stack bleed for high dmg, zealot is just better at that

[umbral scaffold]

how surviavability with that? cuz i've come to think zealots are pretty sucky sucky when you start to move from inexorabile judgement

[tall torrent]

Second wind + enduring faith (40% TDR on crit) is usually good enough, it does have the issue of not killing hordes quickly enough for toughness gains but that’s like every knife build ever

[umbral scaffold]

mhhh, still don't konw, IJ is thoughness on demand basically....almost ('almost') good as the vet tree

[tall torrent]

Veteran has more toughness regain methods in general

Zealot has way more Dmg reduction stuff tho

[umbral scaffold]

it's fine only issue is it isn't a shovel

[tidal bane]

lol dont worry i use a shovel 90% of the time i play vet

just too good

[wanton dawn]

my problem is more about aggro redirection at this point

[umbral scaffold]

i have yet to figure out why chainaxe fells good on zealot and garbage on vets...wanted to cosplay kharn the betrayer, but meh

[wanton dawn]

anyway, exec is not great on either drug lab or I-II

We did got a lot of boss spawn this one (don't mind last zealot he arrived late)

25 actually

[umbral scaffold]

wait this is an actual smart board, not the re-tarded one i'v seen with ammo spent

[tall torrent]

Swap crit dmg to flak, devastating strike to savage sweep/bloodletter

[tall torrent]

It’s because veteran can’t juice melee dmg & atk speed as high as zealot

[austere pine]

got this as an emperor's blessing on zealot. good or not good?

seems good with that many 80s but the collateral?

[tall torrent]

Not good

Could farm blessing if u want

[wanton dawn]

I put some additional mod and some adjustment of my own to get what I want out of it. The only problem remaining is the damage calculation sometimes counting overkill and sometimes not

[umbral scaffold]

as long as you keep it on your zealot, you will be immediatly declared heretic if aren't using infantry autoguns on vets

[wanton dawn]

I also have power_DI if i want additional info

[austere pine]

i tried using brautos on vet but it just sucks so bad compared to infantry

[wanton dawn]

Also yeah, I eat ammo sometimes

[wanton dawn]

agri brauto is as good as ciag imo

[austere pine]

which is obvious because 1. the vet used to be infantry and 2. the vet can aim whereas the zealot only has space for the emperor

[umbral scaffold]

cuz they have damage falloff at like 5 meters or so

[tall torrent]

Falloff from 8m onwards

[austere pine]

it does feel that way

except agri it seems. good at longer ranges

[tall torrent]

Applies to both braced & infantry autoguns

[wanton dawn]

agri brauto has very little falloff

ciag has huge falloff though

[tall torrent]

Yea

[wanton dawn]

then again, agri brauto is the best by far

[austere pine]

which doesn't matter cuz you're not shooting at snipers 100% of the time

[wanton dawn]

best of the braced i mean

[austere pine]

and you're really magdumping monstrosities and hordes at basically melee ranged

[crude fiber]

I love holding W with the columnus braced auto on a exec stance build

[hollow ibex]

Agri braced and auto are both superb

[lime gyro]

Havent used XII in so long when i ran my first match i ate shit

[wanton dawn]

XII is not that good rn

[umbral scaffold]

accatrans where?

[tall torrent]

most weapons with falloff (both inverse & regular) starts at 8m

8m is defined as "close" dmg

[umbral scaffold]

meh, i know there's melee but 8m too short imo

need to be patched at 15 or something

[tall torrent]

8m isn't that short but it's not far

max melee hit range is like 3m

[umbral scaffold]

'in the grim dark future they have shitty guns'

[tall torrent]

salvaging weapons from soldiers' corpses on the battlefield surely would yield great results in weapon quality

[umbral scaffold]

so according to my foooooking playstyle longshot is a mandatory perk to me

[agile forge]

Our weapons are mostly ancient

[tall torrent]

longshot is +1~20% dmg from 8m onwards (caps out at +20% dmg at 36m)

it's usually taken for weapons that want 1 shot breakpoints

[crude fiber]

Pretty much will just reduce the damage loss lil

[umbral scaffold]

proly going to drop deadshot for longshot on my autos build

[tall torrent]

depends on the autogun tbh

[junior needle]

More close range than damage, especially given how close damage now works like anoint in blood

Oh whoops

Wrong quote

[tall torrent]

Colum5 just don't bother with longshot

[junior needle]

That one

[tall torrent]

the falloff is so bad that longshot will never realistically matter

(also because it instant kills most enemies anyways)

[junior needle]

It took quite a distance to reach 100% modifier on unyielding when I tested it last on the ciag

[umbral scaffold]

agri or accatran prolly

[tall torrent]

recon lasgun same thing, wouldn't bother with longshot personally

agrip1 IAG with longshot is not bad

cuz it actually has a few 1hs breakpoints

longshot helps maintain that

laspistol is also, falloff so bad you can never rly salvage it

[fair river]

@ripe night

[ripe night]

I need that set in Commodore Ventures asap

[fair river]

Fr

[ripe night]

Ideally battle scarred like that

They give us tattoos in character creation, but most uniforms cover the entire body. A torn sleeve like that would not only go in pair with a battle scarred armour, but also give us a chance to show off the tattoos/scars we put on

[merry glade]

as many builds as i try, i keep going back to the same one i started with-- le chainsword and revolver

[thick flint]

what perks and blessings should I be looking out for on a bolter?

[junior needle]

Surgical/pinning, there’s options for perks but flak/maniac is likely the best assuming you build to not need elite for gunners

Someone had a guide somewhere but breakpoints can be quite setup dependent

[fierce spoke]

Would Cavalcade be good to pair with Surgical, as alt option?

[junior needle]

Not really, only relevant if you magdump full auto

And then pinning can do that and more

[wanton dawn]

cavalcade is better on zealot

[fierce spoke]

For perks I love having reload speed, on top of Volley Adept passive. Reloads very nice

[lime gyro]

Yea i noticed :((

havent been playing much for the past 2-3 months

[junior needle]

While reload speed feels good, missing out on breakpoints will make it not worth it

More enemies killed in one shot = better ammo efficiency and also less reloading

[tiny summit]

If the reload perk wasn't a piss amount of 10% vs 25% dmg

[wanton dawn]

apparently elite dmg is quite good on bolter

probably cuz its good enough to reach bp on gunner

[fierce spoke]

How to save this one with its perks? Just rolled it

[dawn garnet]

pinning fire for glory and flak for specialists? idk

[earnest lotus]

@umbral scaffold get out of my Darktide lil bro

[wanton dawn]

might commit to gloryhunter and change both perk

[gray finch]

no damage taken

wait they change name of onslaught to weight of fire ?

[wanton dawn]

Is that the case when checking blessing IG ?

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, it's a recent change

[umbral scaffold]

cuz keeping a varied inventory is important

[winter grove]

Tell me your secret lasgun man

[umbral scaffold]

techinchally is my fav weapon, but damage is trash (even with pinpoint accuracy, i just pinpoint columnus )

[gray finch]

shoot

[winter grove]

How the fuck you outdid a zealot in melee dmg

[gray finch]

damage trash can 1 shoot most specialist and gunners

[winter grove]

Trash damage, doesn't oneshot crusher

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/notpunkanymore-shovel-gif-22129031

[gray finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/836221557398306861/1202299713219461160/makesweet-i4wynb.gif

[winter grove]

I've got ghost 3

Should I try getting ghost 4

[gray finch]

its just old ghost 4

you should be fine as long as you can hit 1 headshot every 3 shots

[winter grove]

What do you do when toughness goes down? I wanna know since I kinda got skill issue with knife in melee

[gray finch]

dodge till special spawn or fight for your life idk a granade should work

the oly think that should have chance to kill you is crusher mouler and a jump of a hound (not a pounce)

[winter grove]

That's low as hell recoil

What's the stability stat?

[junior needle]

Looks like regular infantry las bouncing to me

1a has a different recoil pattern than the other variants

But they aren’t that different in practice

[winter grove]

Maybe looks different on the video than in game

[junior needle]

The zealot is using a devil claw with a dog setup

[winter grove]

Fr even I outdo some zealots with melee with dclaw

[fast sundial]

chambered in .40 S&W (small & weak)

[winter grove]

I've got like

36% stability on my lasgun

My veteran got the shakiest hands in the whole Mourningstar

[midnight totem]

huh, this mission is taking a long ass time to load in

[final stag]

Ptsd kicking in

[winter grove]

I think I've got like

21% stability on my agri shotgun

It's so funny

[inland canopy]

play long enough you start holding different versions of the same gun for build diversity lol

[final stag]

Your veteran needs a psychiatrist

[winter grove]

As if he'll get one

Are there even any therapists on Mourningstar?

[final stag]

Make one of the zealots do it

It'll either make him gain religious fervor or break him more

[winter grove]

I've seen what those karkers can do

Rush in crowd of ragers or maulers via chastise and then come out unscathed

[final stag]

Feel religious fervor

[lyric dock]

Zealots are 75% insane, 100% faith, 100% pure raw anger

[tame lodge]

That's our secret captain

[final stag]

A zealous enough fanatic is enough to save runs

[hybrid token]

yeah i got the penance for completing a mission with no damage taken in hi shock damnation randomly one day when i wasnt even trying to get it lol

[final stag]

Yeah the no hit penance is low-key easy if you ain't thinking bout it

[lyric dock]

It's one those you end up getting by accident

[hybrid token]

thinking about it just makes you paranoid lol

[lyric dock]

And makes the director spawn 2 enemies to smack your butt 🙂

[hybrid token]

the no melee damage taken one is ok to get deliberately

but the no damage AT ALL one you kinda have to not think about lmao

[lyric dock]

I got the no damage one as I doing the "Do 10 missions on Malice or higher without going down"

[hybrid token]

i got the no damage and the 20 consecutive dodges one at the same time

[gray finch]

in older patches you could get damaged by jumping hound it does 1 damage if he missed

[hybrid token]

and the thing is i got the 20 dodge achievement in the final objective

so that means i only dodged 20 times the whole mission lmao

[umbral scaffold]

it's already happeing

[hybrid token]

coz i know i didnt get hit lol

[lyric dock]

I got the 20 dodges by complete accident

[gray finch]

there is a different penance for not getting hit at all

[tall torrent]

Which one is that

[hybrid token]

theres one for taking no melee damage

and one for taking no damage at all

[lyric dock]

On overwatch is no melee damage for Vet

[tall torrent]

Which one is that

[lyric dock]

And "Untouchable" I think that is called which is no damage at all

[hybrid token]

this one

[lyric dock]

Surprise I got the name right

[hybrid token]

the thing is i realised i was about to get it in the final objective

coz the 20 dodge achievemt popped up

and i was like "hold on"

i dont think ive been hit at all

which made me super fucking paranoid lmao

[lyric dock]

I had multiple Untouchable attempts going....But lost them due to fucking barrels

So on the attempt where I got it

Every barrel in Atoma prime was being blown up on sight

May have killed a teammate or 2 by accident

[hybrid token]

i dont think ive tried to get any of them on purpose

i got the accuracy one and no ammo left by accident on a shotgun run

kinda hard to miss with the kantrael shotgun

[lyric dock]

With some of the Vets I seen. They can't hit the broad side of a barn

[tall torrent]

The only penances I have left are ogryn rush 60 malice+, 120 kills in 30s, 1M kills, complete X amount of X missions, etc

[umbral scaffold]

brrrrrrrr stab brrrrrrrrrrr stab stab stab brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, even longer brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[hybrid token]

i have these left

and all zealot ones

coz my Z is level 7 lol

[tall torrent]

120 kills in 30s is insane

[hybrid token]

that ones really easy

[tall torrent]

Feel like I need to do a 4 stack and telling them to only let me kill things

[hybrid token]

if you do the first event in baross

[tall torrent]

I only ever got 117 in 30s

[hybrid token]

and hold one of the sides yourself

[tall torrent]

Which weapon were u using

[hybrid token]

purge

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

I was doing it melee

[hybrid token]

just sat at the side and fired along the edge

you have to get kinda lucky coz one side usually gets a lot less

so you have to pick the right side

[final stag]

Yeah I'd think heavy AoE weapons could get that easy

[hybrid token]

but a couple goes and youd get it

[tall torrent]

I was thinking of doing it with Rashad

Martyrdom zealot

[final stag]

For knife zealot
Blazing piety or momentum?

I'd assume blazing

[swift minnow]

anyone else trying to choose between the boltguns boominess vs the columnus mk4 infantrys brrrrr

[hybrid token]

20 consective headshots is the easiest coz you can cheese it

[tall torrent]

Yea just brain burst

[hybrid token]

15 in 10 second i just shot over the top of a horde with a VLd

[tall torrent]

I unironically somehow got that by spamming Lawbringer special shells

[hybrid token]

brrrrrrr 4 life

well not the columnus but still

BRRRRRR

[swift minnow]

so you go brrr instead of a boomy guush, hmm

boltguns boom is very wet to me idk why. i'll have to think about it more

[umbral scaffold]

what the hell is going on?

[final stag]

Cadian goods ong

[swift minnow]

thats a nice kit how much?

[hoary horizon]

[swift minnow]

the cadian cheese is the most apealing

[final stag]

Cadian cheese with quinoa go hard

Get some cadian dill pickles and dip em in the CRUNCHY Peanut butter

[swift minnow]

does it come thith extra nuts?

[umbral scaffold]

these products has an expiration date longer than you life....CADIA STANDS

[final stag]

Extra cadian nuts of course

CADIA STANDS

[swift minnow]

XD

[hoary horizon]

CADIA STAND!

[swift minnow]

them cadian agro worlds be top tier maybe "S"

[final stag]

How do you think cadia produces the finest troops of the imperium
WITH CADIAN SPARKLING WATER OF COURSE

[midnight totem]

bah, lost my never going down streak

at 13

stealth crusher

[final stag]

Hate stealth crushers

[tiny summit]

Maulers should be a lot louder. While are their chainaxes some of the quietest. Gotta type in chat "maulers behind"

[final stag]

I fear maulers more than crushers

At least I can see the lumbering ogryn
But those maulers. Get mixed in with their cannon fodder buds

[dawn garnet]

lost it at 14 from a barrel i shot myself

[final stag]

That actually is painful wow

[winter grove]

Maulers and Crushers fear me

[midnight totem]

thats rough

[winter grove]

One press of a special attack

And their overhead doesn't do shit

[final stag]

Bonk

[winter grove]

Nuh uh

Parry

[final stag]

Forjjr

You gonna parry 5 maulers at once like a chad

[winter grove]

Btw do I hit their head or body with parry counter attack

[winter grove]

I did

[final stag]

Head I believe

[winter grove]

I rushed head first into 10(?) scab ragers

And came out with minimal damage and ragers dead

[final stag]

Homie has no fear

[swift minnow]

its ok when you run head first into 25 scab shotgunners you'll drop right away

[winter grove]

I've got a shotgun for anything ranged

[grim widget]

im just trying to fit an entire boltgun inside my pocket

where can i buy jnco jeans in 2024

[swift minnow]

amizon, temu

[grim widget]

brb watching radio starring cuba gooding jr and ed harris

[inland canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-goku-gif-23809506

[tame lodge]

It seems that the amount of recon and smoke players have gone down

The hype is over

[pastel geode]

How long has it been since the last cosmetic shop rotation?

[tall torrent]

11 days (this thursday will have rotation)

[pastel geode]

Thanks

[midnight totem]

how do you guys like the graia infantry autogun?

[tall torrent]

It’s nice

[tiny summit]

I'll post a gameplay with #1 dmg on reddit and make them think it's good again

[tiny summit]

It's good

[final stag]

I love off meta players who are beastly

[tiny summit]

Yea I'm beastly. I'm the deadliest poxwalker slayer

[final stag]

Dhhsjd they call him the poxslayer

[tiny summit]

Don't worry I'm giving them covering fire talent

[final stag]

Sbjdjs

Make the already healthy zealot and ogryn more toughness

[tiny summit]

Hey guys I brought Exe MF Recon and no Surv

[final stag]

Homie has balls of uranium

[tiny summit]

Both or 1 in particular?

[junior needle]

Both, but especially smonks

[tiny summit]

Post the scoreboard with top dmg and leave out the stats that show I used my PS6 mostly

[blazing cargo]

Did you guys remap ur tag keybind to something quicker?

[frail topaz]

Bruh I still use recon las and I slay

It is underpowered to melee vet still

[final stag]

Always

On my PC I used to do it on my scroll wheel until I got a better mouse.

[blazing cargo]

Melee vet refers to squad leader from the pins?

[terse idol]

Uh

Melee vet is like

Incredible

We got some of the best melee in the game

🥹

[frail topaz]

Yeh no joke that’s what I’m saying

Like recon las aren’t as powerful as the melee vet

[terse idol]

Now to be faaiiiirrrrrrrrrr

[frail topaz]

My tac axe is two shots most things heresy

[terse idol]

I think nearly anything else is more powerful than recon las

[frail topaz]

Yeh which is rip

Because I’m mad karskin full imperial chad

I play for fun RNG elements aside

Sick of blasting coins on whites

Then upgrading to transcendent for maxing or god rolling

That’s they way to do it ^^

Still fun to do though and I feel sire Melk got buffed a few path ago because he coughs up good shit now 😆

Actually exhumed his inventory and found the good stuff haha

[junior needle]

If you're playing on heresy it's not exactly the best stress test, as all enemies have less health on there not even counting spawn differences. Keep in mind that subjective perceptions are very different from objective measurements of performance. A lacking frame of reference and/or simply personal bias can very easily give a skewed impression.

Here's an objective comparison of the baseline performance disparities between iag's and recons.

[final stag]

Recon really is dirt jfnfnf

[somber axle]

Recon Lasgun is surprisingly good but you have to do a funny clown dance to make it work well. The Recon 2 and Recon 7 are eh imo. Recon 6 is where the funny clown build happens that lets you kill specials/elites including Crushers surprisingly fast

[frank basin]

Soldier posting comparison recon and Iag again.

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper, Deadshot, Duck and Dive, Onslaught, Rending Strikes. I run Infiltrate because I love Vet stealth and it gives you the 5% crit node to pair nicely with Deadshot. Three curios all with +3 Stam and Stam Regen. I like having my second choice on Curios be Combat Regen for faster Infiltrates.

I was using a Recon 6 with Dum Dum IV and Infernus IV for a long while and it killed fast but recently got a newer Recon 6 with Head Hunter. It's better for ammo efficiency and keeping crits rolling

Clown dance is purposely shoving yourself into harm's way to dodge fire so you can keep your stamina high and force crits through Deadshot and Head Hunter

Funniest bit is how it feels like you can shoot forever without needing to reload sometimes with lucky back to back crit strings. Then your team pings ammo packs and tins after a big wave of specials and elites go down but you barely spent any ammo between Scavenger Aura and Shock Trooper

Melee choice doesn't matter imo because the Recon 6 becomes your everything problem solver with good ammo efficiency to boot. I've sprayed into Hordes just for fun sometimes because I knew I had the ammo and aiming head height meant I spent very little clearing a wave

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-bored-steamboredmybeloved-chuj69123-ejmyler-myler-gif-26328389

[somber axle]

I like running XIIIg Chainsword with Bloodletter and Wrath though. Bloodletter for funny boss bullying moments in assassinate missions and Wrath for silly cleaving entire hordes just pressing W+M1

[frank basin]

Relatable

W+m1

[somber axle]

It gets even funnier with Stam Stim to fire even longer crit strings while aiming down sights

Clown dance Recon 6 is what I have named the build because you have to do constant funny dodge dances to get bursts of stamina during ADS. Alternate between ADS and hip fire. Remember to burst fire to control how wildly the gun sprays and even in hip fire it will be pin point for taking out a Sniper across the map

[blazing cargo]

What are the differences between melee vet and zealot?

[winter grove]

Melee vets get bitches

[somber axle]

After rolling a Zealot and getting them to max using a funny build I think melee Zealot is just objectively stronger than anything melee Vet brings to the table but people are bored between content updates so people can play with melee Vet and be a weaker Zealot

[grand perch]

You're still pretty squishy on vet. You don't get temporary invulnerability and don't heal part of the damage you take and also no damage reduction that the zealot wound build brings

[winter grove]

Instead you get a power sword

Kill heretics

[somber axle]

Zealot build is called M1 Warrior by XStreamDray on youtube and it is hilariously strong. I've carried teams with it and even clutched out running solo on Zealot using the build when my team went down

[last parcel]

i've been terrorizing auric lobbies with something similar

[vernal obsidian]

hey guys, can you give me a heads up on whether buying this thing from melk worth it? I capped my Vet just yesterday so gear grinding just started.
Sapper Shovel 374 dam 70% mob 77%
pen 78% def 76% first target 73%
uncanny 3
sorry for this dumb way, I am unable to upload pics on that server

[late hatch]

Yeah you need to build rep before you can post pics.
It sounds like it would be a decent shovel, but without full perks and blessings cant really tell how good. Which mark shovel? This is mine for example https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1213452671013486592/image.png?ex=6607fbdd&is=65f586dd&hm=447d8654083528bf1c4a2a394c1d6229844d686219e24186879cedcc1a2effc5&

mk7 is nice as it has a great attack pattern and the activation is really good. Could take cara maybe for crushers

[tiny summit]

Be sure to post the build and scoreboard on reddit. Psyop reddit into thinking recon is godly

[wild lantern]

sadly the recon is good only on vet du to the absurd amount of rending/brittleness he get from the tree

[kind otter]

My vet kept complaining about his gun so I fixed it for him

[umbral scaffold]

figure out sort of a fix for 'the game runs like shit issue': other than disabling the mesh streamer from the .ini file, setting fsr on perfomance delete stuttering issues (don't know why, game ran 100+ on balanced for me at medium settings for me, now i have more fps and virtually no drops or stuttering at all on settings high...it's a weird engine i exepected the same drops , -50fps, but at an higher avg frame, but no random drops just disappered)

[blazing cargo]

So vet is just weaker zealot atm?

[agile forge]

It's very different

[late hatch]

Vet has a better choice of ranged weapons and some great talents. If you just want to hack things up, then zealot is better

[agile forge]

Zealot will never have as good ranged as a veteran

Or as good sustainability while fighting at range

[junior needle]

They become more acceptable, but still not comparatively "good".

[blazing cargo]

But if im gonna play higher damnation will i be bullied by broccoliheads "look at this weirdo playing vet lets dab at him"

[junior needle]

Largely due to shocktrooper and headhunter salvaging something resembling ammo efficiency

[agile forge]

Lol no

[junior needle]

Would actually love to have a way to bypass iron sights and only get the crosshair

[somber axle]

Yeah. Melee vet is slower, takes more damage so it dies easier, and its talents do not synergize anywhere near as well with melee as any Zealot build

[agile forge]

Nobody controls enemy shooters like a lasgun or autogun vet

And nobody controls specials and elites like a plasma vet

Plasma/power sword 6/VoC/frags/surv aura/focus target vet is pretty much the strongest general purpose build of any class in the game

[junior needle]

Largely due to overtuned weapons

[agile forge]

Just you have to know how to respond to close quarter engagements too

[junior needle]

And also VOC

[agile forge]

The trap a lot of vets fall into is being bad at melee

Like skill-wise, not just due to mechanics

[somber axle]

All very true but if someone wants to play melee then Zealot is a far better choice

Vet gets a lot of fun utility that makes melee feel better but nothing that puts it in the same tier as how crazy Zealot melee damage + survivability gets. The build I'm using on Zealot can rush into a group of maulers and flak ragers in the midst of a horde and cleave it all down relatively safely while keeping everything staggered and maintaining high toughness and it's just one of the builds Zealots can play with

[agile forge]

Generally yeah

Haven't tried proper melee vet yet

[somber axle]

You'll never see a melee Vet run into a group of maulers and ragers

They'll tell you it's a dumb idea and to just shoot them at range

If you want to feel how it is to just let loose in melee Vet isn't the class for it. Vet's strongest at range and a melee build doesn't really change that, it just makes melee more comfortable on Vet

[agile forge]

Well I'd melee the maulers depending

They're very different from ragers lol

Ragers are a danger to be near, Maulers just need attention

Sometimes your melee kills them better

[junior needle]

Randomly one shots you with a massive overhead hitbox through your dodge

Nothin personnel

[somber axle]

Ragers are dangerous but as an example Zealot gets a talent node that gives you stun immunity from melee attacks so you'll never have your weapon combos interrupted

There's really nothing comparable in the Vet tree

[agile forge]

It's actually stun immunity to everything lol

[somber axle]

Plus for sheer fun factor Power Sword Power Cycler IV gets old after a while imo. Fantastic horde clear and very strong at getting rid of specials/elites but there's not really much variation to play with on a comparable level with other Vet melees. It's also got very bad mobility compared to any other melee weapon so no zooming about

[agile forge]

If you mean twbs

[somber axle]

That's even better. I never noticed if it was giving stun immunity to ranged attacks so that's good to know

[agile forge]

Its description is wrong

[somber axle]

Fatshark should really go back and touch up the descriptions to make them more accurate

[agile forge]

I advocate chainsword IV!

[somber axle]

Both of the Chainswords are wonderful. I love them immensely on Vet. I also really love the Catachan Swords.

[agile forge]

Crazy horde clear with heavies

[winter grove]

Just use rashad

[somber axle]

Nothing like getting a nice parry and one-tapping a rager in the head

[winter grove]

[winter grove]

Yeah nuh uh

Not happening

[somber axle]

wdym not happening

[trim hemlock]

Some people choose to actually engage in melee combat than just behead everything in front of them

[somber axle]

I do it on my Vet on Damnation all the time

and it's funny every time

[winter grove]

How the fuck

[somber axle]

aim at the head when you parry

[winter grove]

Ah

So that's what I did wrong

[somber axle]

Yeah the parry attack is aiming where your invisible crosshair is

If it catches the body it will do a lot less damage

[blazing cargo]

Can you refer any build for general use and starting with the class?

[agile forge]

I will try to respond once I am home

But veteran is my least comfortable class personally so maybe not the right person

[muted knot]

Just use whatever works for you

[late hatch]

power sword mk6 is amazing but really relies on having power cycler 4. the mk7 shovel is very good and less reliant on specific blessing.
For ranged it depends what you like. the columnus 5 IAG, plasma, and revolver are all very strong rn, but the mk10 laspistol is probably my fave gun for vet.
Specific build depends on what weapons you use

[muted knot]

You can run everything on heresy and below without major issues l, only exceptions are the recon las guns and the autopistol

[lyric dock]

The standard issue Shovel is a decent melee. While it lacks the fancy shovel flip mode. It'll get the job done

[late hatch]

If you check the pins there should be a guide for each class

[late hatch]

Pick up a c/g iag and either a ps or shovel and try this tree. Grenades regen so spam them and use your shout to make space and give overshield

If you choose a lasgun you should either drop the top left, the right side extra nade, or recip bottom right, to take shock trooper, which is bottom left

[agile forge]

Infantry lasguns don't need shock trooper and I'm sure hellbores don't too, it's more for recons

Would also recommend taking a keystone over not, at least to begin with

Focus target is great and easy

Weapon specialist does something idk never tried it

Marksman's focus is an awkward mini game to get bonus dps, good for accurate autoguns mostly imo

Keystoneless grenadier style is good too but depends on you remembering to spam grenades

[muted knot]

It's a one point investment to get practically infinite ammo

Bad take

Since all those guns are building crot anyway

[lyric dock]

And also leaves more ammo for the team.....For the Storm troopers to suck up because they can't hit the broad side of a barn

[late hatch]

weap spec is pretty nice for guns you swap a lot back to melee

[gusty bison]

Ive never run shock trooper on helbores cos u never need to pick up ammo

You cant get any less than 0 ammo picked up xD

[late hatch]

yeah HB as long as you can aim you dont need ammo

recon and laspistol I would say its a mistake to not take it. las rifles are more either or

though if you are a crack shot with the mk10 laspistol you can get away without it

I really love the mk10. great movement, hits hard, and swaps super fast

[lyric dock]

Use the MK 10 a fair bit. It is a great pistol

[agile forge]

Survivalist aura does a lot

[lyric dock]

It is one hell of a Aura

[blazing cargo]

I understand melee but what ranged weapons cg iag stands for?

[late hatch]

columnus or gria Infantry Auto Gun

closest thing to a m4

you mostly hipfire. with deadshot you ads to get a boost at stam cost. short to mid range rapid fire but you can hit longer range targets but hard to kill them

with onslaught you can deal good dps to big targets as it ramps up the more you hit something

[junior needle]

They don't "need" it, but they can get nutso ammo efficiency

[agile forge]

Infantry Autoguns are basically great against everything but carapace

[wanton dawn]

Ammo aura was a mistake

[agile forge]

Veteran classically is an anti-shooter class

But the trendy plasma guns are kinda bad at that

Not efficient at all

[late hatch]

Yeah it should just be built into all classes instead of being a single aura for a single class

[agile forge]

Autoguns are probably a better starting point

[agile forge]

I agree, gun lugger without a survival vet is just sad

Just improve ammo economies imo to compensate for it no longer being a thing

[dire olive]

Make elites sometimes drop like small ammo packs or something

[late hatch]

yeah like the ranger passive from vt

[shy maple]

feels like stability matters little on the braced agri autogun

[agile forge]

If you take E Stance, stability does like nothing on anything

[gleaming lynx]

Does someone have a good build recommendation for hellbore lasgun mk 2? I want to rp snipy lasgun + bayonet charge

[balmy flume]

Flak/Maniac.
Then you want the one that shortens the chaining time between charged shots, and…something else I forgot :p

[midnight totem]

Its called weight of fire

Other blessing is usually surgical

[lyric dock]

Surgical is really nice

Since you're usually waiting for the charge anyways which gets you a couple ticks of it which with Shock trooper means less ammo spent shooting it

Weight of fire is Generally not needed on the MK2 due to it having the fastest charge time of the 3 Hellbores

Unless you got cursed with a low charge rate

[gleaming lynx]

cheers

[junior needle]

You want unarmored on the mk2 specifically for easy dreg shooter one taps

[gleaming lynx]

Flak / Unarmored?

[junior needle]

Or maniac unarmored, I’m not that up to date on helbores but it definitely needed unarmored for that last I checked

[lyric dock]

My MK2 Hellbore I use

[wet walrus]

Autopistol is kinda fun as stealth vet I cant lie

[umbral scaffold]

we need meltaguns and plasma pistols DID YOU HEAR ME CRAPSHARK??????????!!!

[hardy ember]

And hotshot lasguns

[fervent quiver]

Bolt pistol

[gray finch]

i dont think you need flak damage

[lyric dock]

Would be a good blessing to replace Flak for?

[gray finch]

unyielding

[umbral scaffold]

WS+gets hot from plasma....enjoy 10 shots of pure pain (83% crit chance at max stack)

[lyric dock]

I swap over to it the next time I play as Vet

[dawn garnet]

is there any reason to not use survivalist?

[hollow ibex]

If you’re in a premade and someone else is bringing it

Or if you want to troll randoms

[umbral scaffold]

it kinda sucks under heresy difficulty....if there's something

[lyric dock]

You can't afford the point tax (Depending on grenade you pick) or there's another vet already running it in the group

[dawn garnet]

ive had a few games where multiple vets run revolver and refuse to bring it

like my guy you're gonna eat all the ammo and give nothing else to anyone

[umbral scaffold]

the latter doesn't count on randoms since they out of coherency 90% of the time

[lyric dock]

Yeeep and oh look they got themselves in a bad spot, died, and rage quit

[zealous wyvern]

yes trying to get the penance for no bullets left

[umbral scaffold]

that's why WS is almost mandatory in random queue

[lyric dock]

It should worth noting that if you empty your gun and swap to your melee, but never swap back to your gun. You can still get challenge done if you're running survivalist

[midnight totem]

They patched that didn't they?

[lyric dock]

I don't believe so

[umbral scaffold]

just for outdoing the zealots in melee, being more thanky than an ogryn and.....oh wait vet is already superior to psyker even on a bad build

[midnight totem]

Anyway I run 80 percent of my games without ammo aura with no ammo problems for the team

[lyric dock]

Where you getting those accurate players. I get storm troopers

[midnight totem]

I am the accurate player

Although to be fair, if it's a high int mission and my team looks gun heavy

I do swap to survivalist

[dawn garnet]

idk if 5% damage is worth at anypoint free ammo

[lyric dock]

I run Survivalist in all my builds since it's less ammo for me to pick up over the course of a run

[umbral scaffold]

real reason u wanna swap surv is for taking agile engagement, it's the only worth node at that height of tree

[midnight totem]

I've actually used the aura to hit breakpoints in some specific weapons of mine

[dawn garnet]

for which weapons?

[midnight totem]

The kind that are pretty bullshit and are like "fucking brunt and hadron"

[dawn garnet]

no like for what weapon? id love to know the breakpoint

[midnight totem]

Power sword charge light headshot on shotgunners