veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

well

[short vapor]

H1 H2 does it too but by a far smaller margin.

[bitter turtle]

ill take your word for it

i have no idea on this subject besides seeing a table someone made once

lul

[short vapor]

Ignore the Crusher since it's due to a special case.

[bitter turtle]

damn

[short vapor]

This is a 100pox test

[bitter turtle]

so the 13 is just

worse in general

[short vapor]

Better ST target with the Revs

[bitter turtle]

it cant run bloodletter though

[tall torrent]

4 is better than 13 at that

[serene bough]

what role is the mk13 supposed to fil

[tall torrent]

kill poxwalker

[short vapor]

You wouldn't really be running BL on either. Mk XIIIg has higher rev damage.

[bitter turtle]

when you say suppsoed to, do you mean "what fs intended for it"

[hollow ibex]

wild flailing role

[serene bough]

ye

[bitter turtle]

better single target

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/squiggle-wild-one-balloon-man-dance-gif-12954529

[bitter turtle]

it has those strikedowns on heavy instead of sweeps

[short vapor]

XIIIg also has faster rate of sweeps if that's something you're going for ig. It's not by much though.

[bitter turtle]

bloodletter/rampage IV is valid though, it doesn't need ss/wrath to proc rampage

[strange fable]

is the catachan devil claw good to run?

[tall torrent]

Mk4 can run bloodletter in place of cleave blessings which enables way better rev performance vs elites, mk13 can't

also Mk4 ironically has more rev dmg

[bitter turtle]

and oneshotting mauler/bulwark is a pretty significant boost

[serene bough]

devil claw sword minces poxwalkers and groaners but like

its not that impressive of a weapon imo

[clear pier]

loving the mobility of the knife feels like i can just survive non stop

[serene bough]

mobility aside, its a great weapon at dealing with armor

horde clear is somewhat lackluster but thats easily compensated with shredders and general mobility

[short vapor]

You run SS/Wrath to take advantage of Rampage in crowd situations. Neither gain meaningful damage from Bloodletter, only exception being if you have Onslaught due to its interaction with bleed ticks. Bloodletter would then act as a means to buff the rev damage during the rev.

[bitter turtle]

onslaught doesnt proc of bleed anymore for one

unless they lied about fixing bug

[tall torrent]

1 shot mauler & bulwark is pretty meaningful for bloodletter

bulwark u can 1 rev light with bloodletter and they just die

[short vapor]

Are you telling me that Vet cannot 1 shot either by base?

[bitter turtle]

it cannot

no

[tall torrent]

yes veteran cannot 1 shot mauler at base with a chainsword, without bloodletter

u can heavy rev 1 shot bulwark

but light rev is easier and comes out faster which matters vs bulwarks

bloodletter also allows u to deal with ragers much more flexibly

it's a very high value pick for chainsword on veteran

zealot is different story

[serene bough]

back before they toned down the chainsword i used to run wraith/SS + bloodletter

now that its slightly weaker id probably run rampage + bloodletter

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4893e80bb87381f1bd4f21e75fea6bea.jpg
every single unconditional melee dmg buff for vet taken

besides focus target

way too far off for that to help unless it was max redirect full stack sthough

thsi is also with flak+elite

80/80/75 on damage/pen/shredder

smh the zealot privilege 😔 jk

[serene bough]

zealots dont get vape god build so it balances out

[tall torrent]

fury fixes chain weapons so much

such a broken ability

[void rampart]

What perks would you want ideally on a fan revolver

[junior needle]

Turns out having a ton of attack speed is really good

[bitter turtle]

handcannon and

[junior needle]

perks

[bitter turtle]

im going to go against what other ppl are gonna tell you right now

SURGICAL

oh

nevermind

[void rampart]

I'll hear blessings as well tbh I'm here to learn

[bitter turtle]

i was already ready to fight

[void rampart]

I've got speedload and hand cannon on it

[junior needle]

If you take surgical on the fan revolver it's because you intend to use it like a 2a but much worse

[bitter turtle]

silence

that is the best way to play it

[junior needle]

But with that blessing setup you want to get rid of speedload anyway

[bitter turtle]

with fanning as a backup

[junior needle]

Fanning as a backup with your handcannon and no crit chance

[bitter turtle]

you still have

like 50%+ crit

its still a revolver

critical bonus, base crit, deadshot, etc

[void rampart]

this is what we're working with, revolver from the thrift store cause I haven't got a good 2a yet

[junior needle]

Well aktchually, deadshot isn't a part of the revolver

But yes you can take deadshot

[bitter turtle]

iirc

[junior needle]

Keep in mind they're very different in terms of power levels

[bitter turtle]

you need maniac to hit dreg rager bp

[void rampart]

I'm fully aware, I've got good 2a s on the other classes

[bitter turtle]

and i dont think flak helps on flak rager

not sure though

let me see

ok unironically

i think this question depends

if you're gonna play it like

yes

a bad zarona

or are you gonna fanfire everything

if you're expecting to always crit i'd go maniac though

i dont think flak changes much on crit bps

[void rampart]

probably fanfire everything

[bitter turtle]

then idk

sorry

i play it like a bad zarona

😔

[tame lodge]

hold up, crit zealot crucian roulette broken op combo

[bitter turtle]

ye well does this look like zealot chat to you

[tame lodge]

considering the lack of memes

[serene bough]

i tried using the new revovler once and then never touched it again

having little to no penetration is so sad

when you consider the zarona can conga line 20 shotgunners

[bitter turtle]

its just a balanced zarona

[serene bough]

its probably not bad as a zealot weapon but i dont play that class

[tame lodge]

there's two passives that loops pretty good

[short vapor]

Ok so the goalpost shifted here a bit. Bulwarks are fully 1 shotable with Chainsword. For Maulers you're trading incredible crowd damage so you can hit a 1 shot on them. That's making one of the most (if not the most) powerful crowd deletion melees worse at that so it can 1 shot Maulers (and QoL kill Bulwarks? lol). In a Plasma Gun and Revolver meta I do not see how that lines up. If you want a weapon better for that run a Chaxe, Mk IV handles Ragers wonderfully and can hit 1 shots on both Maulers and Bulwarks without bleed.

[midnight totem]

made a vd6 recon lasgun work in damnation

[bitter turtle]

do want to add

the bulwark 1shot heavy rev to head is not unconditional

not all builds are going to take enough melee dmg talents to hit it

[midnight totem]

painful though

[junior needle]

It's pretty bad as a zealot weapon because the other revolver exists

[proud marsh]

which chainsword is better as a special killer 4 or 13?

[midnight totem]

the whole time I was like "any other gun would've worked better"

[junior needle]

I have been telling people this, this is the gist of the recons

[split sapphire]

So is the plasma gun viable at all or are there better guns these days

[junior needle]

Plasma is currently competing for best gun in the game

[midnight totem]

plasma gun is one of the best veteran guns

[tall torrent]

yes if u are relying on plasma & revolver (and CIAG) for elites then you don't need bloodletter on chainsword

in other cases though? Having a flexible tool to remove any elite short of crushers without much input is a very real benefit

and chainsword is not one of the best horde clear weapons for veteran
it's good at it, but not the best at it

[midnight totem]

the only thing it might have been good at was killing the bosses we came up against

or dramatically weakening packs of elites

[junior needle]

It doesn't have standout unyielding dps

[midnight totem]

I know

[junior needle]

So you might've been perceiving infernus as doing that

[midnight totem]

it probably was

infernus did a lot of work

[junior needle]

I guess you can weaken elites for your team because your ttk is so slow they decide to take it out themselves

[midnight totem]

haha

I had two melee gryns with me

by the time the elites reached us all they did was poke them and they died

Although, if you really want me to be honest

VoC did more work then my recon lasgun

We had hound packs too

free ammo

[junior needle]

It's good for hound packs because they're weak as shit and it has a high fire rate

[midnight totem]

exactly lol

I barely took any ammo packs because of the hound swarms

[junior needle]

That applies to any gun on hounds if you have survivalist though

[midnight totem]

and my team didn't need ammo because I was running survivalist

plus our fourth was a psyker

So it was really recon lasgun heaven

[bitter turtle]

so i tested it

on 10+10 flak/dreg melee, dropping on eof them for bloodletter goes from 10 hits to 13 hits to kill

its significant

but its not a bad idea to use bloodletter still

its not easy to hit a lot of melee bp for the rev on vet

[midnight totem]

bloodletter is great boss damage too

[bitter turtle]

like even the bulwark one needs you to take ogryn dmg lol

and ya i mean i wouldnt take it on volver/plasma builds

but there are other guns too

[midnight totem]

I'm sorry, whats the current conversation?

Chainswords?

[bitter turtle]

is bloodletter worth on chainsword for vet

[midnight totem]

I think its worth it

[bitter turtle]

mk 4 only

mk13 is not worth for sure probably

[midnight totem]

Nah, its good on 13 too

I can oneshot maulers with it on 13

[tall torrent]

13 needs wrath to activate rampage on bruisers

[bitter turtle]

you can oneshot mauler on 4 too without needing to bend over backwards to proc rampage 😔

[radiant chasm]

not really, bosses have massively buffed HP pools than they did way back

to really get the bleed damage boosted you need 25% unyielding which is just a bad perk overall

[bitter turtle]

this is uh

the only wayto proc rampage on beefier enemies

on mk13

without wrath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKVuuyjs1PA

i dont really suggest

[short vapor]

What do you think is better? If you had to list a top 3. I'm curious.

[midnight totem]

I mean, I just don't use rampage

[tall torrent]

I'm biased because I consider bruiser performance more valuable than poxwalker performance, so best not to ask me on this

[junior needle]

You very much want wrath unless you want your rampage and ss procs dependent on the third heavy attack

[midnight totem]

Never needed rampage on my 13. Would it be cool? Sure. But I have no problems handling hordes with it with just a cleave blessing

[tall torrent]

yes I edited SS in just in case

I put wrath + rampage on 13g for my document

[radiant chasm]

chsword is still a great bruiser killer, you are just pigeonholed into rampage+SS/wrath

[tall torrent]

it's ok at it

[midnight totem]

if my 13 was wrath/bloodletter it'd be perfect

its ss/bloodletter atm

[short vapor]

I said crowd damage, what's your list?

[tall torrent]

power sword 6
rashad

3rd idk

[radiant chasm]

bloodletter is overrated

[midnight totem]

probably

[radiant chasm]

rampage= power tooltip is wrong,

[midnight totem]

but I like it

[radiant chasm]

it's not just damage

[midnight totem]

and its never let me down

[bitter turtle]

btw

i just tested on poxwalker

[radiant chasm]

it's not letting you down you are just overestimating it's value cause it is feel good vs performance

[bitter turtle]

is even less difference

than bruisers

i dont see how bloodletter is such a huge loss

7 vs 9 for poxwalker

well i get percentage wise its about the same increase in hits required

i dont think anyone is arguing against the fact that bloodletter is going to be worse for hordes

but saying bloodletter is pointless when u have to grab a bunch of melee bonuses and still have the rev attack be kinda shit vs just talking bloodletter

if the goal was just to mince groups of enemy faster then why not just take rashad and tape down your left mouse button

the reason i take chsword on some builds is on guns that dont deal with bulwark so easily

cause nevermind 10 heavy swing to kill 20 bruisers, rashad only takes 5 lights

[tame lodge]

Emperor's Bullet + Sainted Gunsliger

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/39396f4abd05b639eb75f8780430d848.jpg
this is with
10% melee
15% elite
5% melee
desperado
80/80/80/80 on all dmg stats
still no 1 shot

wouldnt call it qol

saves u literally 6+ talent points if you didnt already want them in the first place

[short vapor]

It's not pointless, it provides a Mauler 1 shot. However, what is the value of this over making the weapon actually good at its specialty? A Mk IV Chainsword without SS/Wrath goes from the best of the best to Taxe/Ironhelm Thammer level. My test was on poxwalkers and it was a 12.94 clear time to a 25.77 clear time.

[bitter turtle]

is this on zealot or something?

i didnt ocunt time but number of hits required

if youw ant

i can record it

[short vapor]

The test shows baseline performance. It's not Zealot specific.

[bitter turtle]

the time it took to mince 30 poxwalker was not a 2x increase

idk how many you spawned

[short vapor]

100 poxwalkers.

[bitter turtle]

sure

is there a plugin to spawn 100 at once

idk if i will lose track

[short vapor]

Give me a Vet build you want me to test this with.

[bitter turtle]

spawning one at at ime

[short vapor]

I'll grab two clips, one of a Mk IV w/ SS + Rampage and one with Bloodletter + Rampage.

I'll probs do a 50 pox 50 groaner for a better showing. Happy to show Bruiser performance under the same circumstances.

[bitter turtle]

are u doing light spam or something

i see absolutely

almost nod ifference

on heavy spam at least

let me spawn them in a wall like i did before

even if its less realistic

[short vapor]

H1 H2 L3 H3

[bitter turtle]

ya

idk i saw almost no difference

ill spawn them in wall so i dont need to keep repos to get better angles

ok

i will upload them

maybe u can tell me where im being delusional here bc i seriously see very negligible difference

@short vapor i did 50 poxwalkers tho

but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iPTmTxNxwI
rampage + SS, about 9 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHSjauoA_Cw
only SS, about 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPr2S_RJPKA
only rampage, about 12 seconds (i missed a weakspot once but idk if it mattered in extending the time)

like

maybe im using it wrong? idk

[faint beacon]

We digging into the Mk13g again?

[bitter turtle]

no

this is mk4

and idk if u accept me spawning them in a wall since its not a "real" scenario

but i literally had a slower time with rampage+ss when i didnt

bc of variance on where the enemies fall/try to uncollision themselves + me trying to angle for maximum cleavage

lul

so i was like "ok this is definitely not right"

i mean tbh realistically, i dont think most blessings result in a +100% performance boost so going from 12 to 25 seconds seems sketch to me

so i wanted to test myself

am i doing something wrong

[tall torrent]

unrelated but

I just figured that bloodletter can rev light 1 shot mauler

because why not

[bitter turtle]

run serrated blade V for even faster kill

jk

btw

is there an option to spawn like

50+ enemies at once

that test took so long bc it was fucking tedious

counting up to 50 spawns

and then if i accidentally hit them while checking something on talent/blessng i have to despawn all 50 and respawn them again kek

[white minnow]

i have an ahk to facilitate that

[bitter turtle]

o

that might be a smart idea

[white minnow]

Loop, 40 {
    Send {=}
    Sleep, 1
}
Return```
where F1 is the key for toggling it on, and `=` is my keybind for spawning

i think you'll prob want to increase the sleep timer since i was ahving trouble with it consistently spawning 40

[wanton dawn]

9 vs 12 vs 15

[bitter turtle]

in the vid?

[wanton dawn]

Stop counting second ppl. Also ffs remove ragdoll

[bitter turtle]

well

i counted hits at first lol

but they kept saying in reference to time

i agree hits are better

[wanton dawn]

Ppl saying second like that look at the yt timer

[nocturne mulch]

Does BM on Mk 6 PS let you cleave multiple Crushers with 1 shot combo?

[bitter turtle]

no

[white minnow]

if you one-shot them with a single attack yeah

[bitter turtle]

ok yeah

if you can oneshot them

but typically no

because you cant oneshot them, its a 2hit

[wanton dawn]

there is only one attack that can do that and require investment

[bitter turtle]

BM basically makes the killing blow on a weakspot transfer over full dmg to the next target

so unless the killing blow is

3600 damage

[nocturne mulch]

Is BM on its own enough for to get the breakpoint?

Just asking for reddit argument hahahs

[bitter turtle]

BM doesnt really add much damage

[nocturne mulch]

For push attack + downward strike

[wanton dawn]

I dont think you can stack 2 crushers realistically IG for the push attack for bm to proc

[bitter turtle]

you take BM for the cleaving effect

not for the +15% dmg on weakpoint boost

that is very small

becuase weakpoint damage is calculated in a way that means its much much less than 15%

[wanton dawn]

Also yes, you can OS crushers with ps6

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah I know how weakpoint damage works

[bitter turtle]

you'd need to crit I imagine, yeah?

maybe carapace + ogryn + crit?

[wanton dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1194397088952352918/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-01-09_22-47-21.mp4?ex=65f0cd78&is=65de5878&hm=e8b4fc0e51037b2d5e266dc4bc88deb825f49fa2fccbfb446c97865cc1da7ad2&

Not saying it is a reasonable expectation

[bitter turtle]

o damn

[white minnow]

i assume not doable w/o a max stack focus target or an ult buff?

[bitter turtle]

well that's good to know tbh

i didnt think it was possible reliably

[wanton dawn]

From memory i had carapace elite

Among other dumb stuff

[wanton dawn]

Prob no

32% dmg buff is hard to beat

[nocturne mulch]

Nice

[white minnow]

darn

[nocturne mulch]

I feel like trying a meme build focused on 1 shot cleaving them now

[bitter turtle]

as said before

even if you do hit the 1tap

lining up 2 heads is

unlikely

[wanton dawn]

Try on mauler first. Carapace might stop cleave anyway

[bitter turtle]

they probably have to be forced to clip together by terrain

[nocturne mulch]

And just checking, is Kantrael shotgun being a meme a common opinion? Came across that on Reddit and someone was adamant it sucks

[bitter turtle]

nah

kant is fine

i dont suggest playing only around the fire bullet though

that might be why they said it was meme

[wanton dawn]

Kinda B tier

[bitter turtle]

ive tried that repeatedly and its always felt meh

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah I get that my build for it uses a lot of ADS 1 shot on normal enemies

But havent used it since it stopped cleaving bulwark shields

[white minnow]

it still goes through bulwark shields

[junior needle]

All shotguns are pretty meh

[white minnow]

they only patched it going through map geometry

[nocturne mulch]

Nah there is bug

Cleaves everything else but not shields

[bitter turtle]

eh?

i used it recently

im rpetty sure it was still going through shields

[nocturne mulch]

Is it only broken in psykhanium?

[bitter turtle]

not sure

[nocturne mulch]

It wasnt working for me today

[bitter turtle]

to clarify

you're saying

if you fire at a bulwark from teh front

with the fire round

it no longer inflicts burn?

[nocturne mulch]

It still burns, but doesnt go through to anything behind

So you only kill 1 bulwark

[bitter turtle]

oh

that's what you mean

maybe

idk on that one

[frank ether]

yall are still talking sharktide gameplay smh

[bitter turtle]

barktide

woof

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-dog-gif-24122691

[white minnow]

huh interesting

[flat vessel]

Should i just go for the deadly accurate 4 or switch the headhunter this weapon build is purely headshots only

[bitter turtle]

would switch weak spot damage

10% weak spot dmg is very bad

its not actually 10%

its 10% of the bonus damage only

so if you hit 100 dmg and 150 on headshots

its 10% of the bonus 50

so only +5 dmg

[flat vessel]

what should i go for on my blessings and perks for the headshot build

now i dont know what to go for now

[bitter turtle]

my gut says maniac but i suggest you ask someone more familiar with the gun

i dont really use it much

but the 10% weak spot/critical damage perk is almost universally bad bc of the way they calculate

most of the good weakspot/critical damage talents add ridiculous numbers like +90% (deadly accurate) or 60% (mercy killer) bc you need it that high for it to calculate out to something significant

[winter grove]

That dmg stat tho

[flat vessel]

had this gun since i unlock melk its like a son to me🥹

[junior needle]

You'll want to fish for a better one eventually

[winter grove]

I know it's not easy to let go

But you gotta execute this one dawg

[flat vessel]

i find good ones but man do the perks and blessings make it hard to make the switch

[winter grove]

If you find one with flak and deadly accurate/headhunter with good stats

Then it's probably a good call

[flat vessel]

i had this one was looking promising for a sec but had to do a double take

[winter grove]

Nah this one's physically disabled

[flat vessel]

ive been getting bamboozle then my melk becuase everything he offers is either trash or doesnt even bother to offer a lasgun

[umbral scaffold]

DELETE OGRYNS...useless class and kill your framerate

[flat vessel]

what a menace you are ogryns only want to protect and be friends

[crude ermine]

Idk why but thinking of an ogryn that just reduces your frames every 7 steps is funny to me

[flat vessel]

if you wanna talk about something then the zealots the run all fast then go down deep in enemy lines

[junior needle]

Ogryns are generally my most reliable teammates, outside of the single one I met that was a dick

[umbral scaffold]

i hate them period, they are annoying to play with

[flat vessel]

what makes you hate the big man?

just the frames?

[junior needle]

Ogryns shouldn’t be dropping your frames by existing

Sounds like an unrelated issue

Might be a symptom but, not the cause

[flat vessel]

not they fault all that meat needs to be loaded in

[junior needle]

The game struggles to handle my sheer girth 😩

[umbral scaffold]

1. model is too big and 90% of players have the wonderfull habit to place themeself in front of you while u are ADS, ogryns make it worse 2) everything that explodes on ogryn explodes just too much, generetating clutters than result in a fps drop 3) that's nothing they can do other clasees can't so they aren't bringing anything to the team other than being useless and annoying

[flat vessel]

[umbral scaffold]

so i hate ogryns....want to see them all processed in imperial sludge

[rigid pilot]

No

[flat vessel]

sounds like you cant handle what the ogryn is cooking

[junior needle]

I do not get those issues unless said ogryn is abusing the infinite ammo bug currently and launching tumbler shots nonstop

So it’s likely fixable by settings depending on your hardware

[umbral scaffold]

sounds like everybody love them for the meme but they actually useless gameplay wise

[flat vessel]

god no ogryns makes it so much nicer

great crowd control great voice lines great meat shields its the perfect friend

[dusky flare]

ogryns have been op for months now sound useless to me

[umbral scaffold]

in what exactly? Zaelots are melee monster able to holding an entire horde by their own, vets can one-shot ogryns mobs and delete elites in less than a second, psykers are the best support plus can second every other class depending on the build

[wanton dawn]

4/being dick when they realize 15 min in that i did not take ammo aura

Now this one is the ticket

[flat vessel]

seems like yall play with bad ogryns i am sorry for that

[wanton dawn]

Man i wish i could play rn

[winter grove]

How many times your shots got blocked today

[thorn lark]

You forgot about one shotting 5 crushers with a shovel, or just erasing from existence elites with the kickback (or even the ripper)

Wanna kill an entire horde? Take a cleaver. Even a shield with BM + skullcrusher will just evaporate bruisers

[agile forge]

Also suppression for days

And usually a versatile melee weapon that can batter literally anything

[umbral scaffold]

are u talking about stealth zealot? yes he does that

also the charging one.....not with a shovel but with a motorized heavy spatula, but it's the same i guess

[thorn lark]

Stealth zealot does not one shot 5 crushers or 5 rangers

[woeful ibex]

(Source: warhammer facebook official)

Card game

[fair river]

Wtf

[balmy flume]

TBF XCom ended up getting a board game version

So this doesn’t surprise me that much

[cunning sandal]

Card Game announcement before new content.
Darkest timeline.

[junior needle]

Cod gets a proper kasrkin skin before darktide

Darktide gets a card game before content

Lol

Lmao

[umbral scaffold]

no, but can kill anything without taking damage back

[thorn lark]

That's made by another company. Darktide is GW IP. Not Fatshark. They could make Lego Darktide if they wanted

[cunning sandal]

I was mostly making a joke tbh

[delicate oasis]

But darktide get cartgame before cod get it

#💆🏼‍♂️

[tame lodge]

you just gave me an idea for copypasta

also, get a lasgun, just shoot through them

[junior needle]

Pretty sure most lasguns won’t have enough cleave

[shell mason]

Nah i run kantrael, i've shot through friendly ogryns before

Tho either way, whole point of ogryn is that they're big, meaty, and soak up damage

[umbral scaffold]

Ogryns are tanks, that's their job. Any ogryn who doesn't run the shield I instantly assume is just going to die fast.
Also to add to your comment: Most ogryns have no idea what dodging is.

[shell mason]

Like yeah you're gonna shoot them, they're walking cover, they're supposed to block fire

[shell mason]

I don't run shield because i hate how terrible the regular attack is

I play ogryn as a kind of off-tank with a bully club and LMG so i can light attack without dying instantly

Also because the bitchslap is funny

[visual island]

So been playing vet a bit more the shout definitely helps although I completed a volley fire penance whist using the shout somehow

[shell mason]

I mainly use executioner stance for talent point economy tbh

[visual island]

I wanted to but I kept going down quite often prob cuz I'm so used to playing a zealot

[shell mason]

Bc the skills i want are in its tree and i dont wanna spread myself thin on talents and not reach my keystone

[visual island]

I've been getting quite a bit of use out of the gernade regen skills

[shell mason]

Yeah i keep forgetting to invest in that, too busy trying to make volley fire better lmao

I should get grenade regen bc without it im too scared to ever use my nades

"Oh i might need these frags for a horde or to stagger a special!"

(End mission with all three grenades)

[visual island]

I also grabbed I think it's field improvising the skill that gives boosts to ammo packs and medic packs

So I use quite alot of grenades especially since I use the shredder one

[shell mason]

I use shredders as well i just never actually toss them

I have the same issue with using my nade box on ogryn

My brain clocks them as too good to use

[austere pine]

praying

pc1 ;-;

for builds not needing survivalist, is fire team or close and kill aura preferred?

considering i'm going infiltrate

[trim hemlock]

Which blitz are you using?

[austere pine]

shredder frag

hoping to do revolver with the auto-reload weapons specialist talent

[trim hemlock]

I would go Close and Kill it you went for Out for Blood/right top-most branch + small move speed node

[junior needle]

You still want to take survivalist even if you don't "need" it, for your team. But if you're going revolver it's still good for you.

[trim hemlock]

Fire team otherwise/to save points

[austere pine]

does this improve activation speed for power swords?

[junior needle]

Unlikely

[austere pine]

ye

it's 10% but i did feel an increase just now

[wanton dawn]

I think it does

[junior needle]

That's hilarious

Truly a fatshark moment

[austere pine]

from what i heard semi-recently, finesse on the swords increases activation speed

which makes trench fighter drill make sense since the only 'speed' increase for finesse is for attack speed and not activation speed specifically

[junior needle]

I assume it's a timescale for all actions with your melee weapon

[austere pine]

it also kinda makes sense in that activating a sword and insta swinging gives you the 2nd hit instead of the first, as if the activation counts as an attack of sorts

might be pulling this outta my ass, dk

[junior needle]

It didn't before

Are you sure

[austere pine]

wasn't that added in the patch?

[wanton dawn]

In any case, it plus wep specialist is very noticiable

[austere pine]

nah i'm dumb

oh that's gucci

i need 8 stacks to get more than 1 bullet back into the revolver

[junior needle]

It doesn't explicitly do that, rather it doesn't fully reset your combo after charging

Which ironically serves like no purpose except nerfing the 6

[austere pine]

even at 10 stacks i only get 2 bullets back into the revolver

i'm starting to think this strat of mine isn't as good as i had hoped for it to be

[junior needle]

It'll give you at least 1

Which is what you want for crucian leveraging

[austere pine]

yeah it's good for getting melee specialist back

[junior needle]

Which you take instead of surgical

for ws

[austere pine]

and that. i've never used crucian before

get 1 back at least, shoot a karker, switch to melee, get kills while melee spec is popping, switch to big iron, shoot a few karkers again, repeat

with that in mind, wouldn't this be good?

but survivalist

eh

help me math this out

what's a good 1 point investment here?

field improv? tinkerer? serrated?

surprise attack maybe?

[slow spade]

Get Tinkerer imo

[visual island]

So if I take the stops stomshooter skill will it make the scout Las guns more usable?

[junior needle]

Iron will is right there

[slow spade]

Oh true

Didn't realize it lol

[slow spade]

Yes but ONLY if you have a crit build

[tiny summit]

The optimal revolver WS gaming experience

[junior needle]

That english was a bit rough, but it would be more accurate to say that stormtrooper would make recon lasguns less bad.

[slow spade]

Too many shitters with non-crit builds

[austere pine]

The optimal revolver WS gaming experience

[junior needle]

Definitely take it and get some crit, typically a crit perk and the 5% crit node in the talent tree

Also combined with headhunter

[slow spade]

At this point I'm considering just auto-leaving games with recon users without headhunter

[visual island]

I mean I'm going for head shots anyway and the recon guns don't feel to bad

[tiny summit]

Iron Will or Demo team

[austere pine]

got iron will

[junior needle]

They "feel" more impressive than they actually are, depending on your frame of reference

They're severely undertuned compared to alternatives currently, in both dps and ammo efficiency

[slow spade]

Recon is objectively the worst ranged in the game even after the buff

[austere pine]

ciag is a better recon

[junior needle]

Autopistol might be a bit worse

[tiny summit]

They didn't even get buffed. They just made shocktrooper actually function for it

[austere pine]

only thing you don't get is fire on crit but like, who cares?

[tiny summit]

They still have those nerfs from several patches ago

[slow spade]

Indeed

[austere pine]

they're very fun on lower levels though

[junior needle]

Ciag is just the best automatic currently

But even the other IAG's also outperform them

[visual island]

I'm not going for vest I've been going for what makes playing vet enjoyable

[austere pine]

truth

ciag peesword makes vet very enjoyable to me and i'm sticking with it

[junior needle]

Well, you may not find wet noodling things to be enjoyable.

[slow spade]

The main issue with recon is its so bad that its actively detrimental to the team

[austere pine]

but i absolutely get other people's enjoyment of helbores for example

[slow spade]

Yeah you might be "having fun" but you're forcing the team to carry you

[junior needle]

In fairness, that's because you need to be an absolute ammo goblin to get performance out of it.

[austere pine]

unless you're in a team of melee only zealots and ogryns

[junior needle]

You can choose not to do that.

[tiny summit]

Eh you can use recon without being carried

[slow spade]

You know they won't lol

[visual island]

I've only used the recon a few games and I'd like to make it work which is why I asked about it

[junior needle]

You can, but it's still gimping yourself

[tiny summit]

You can, it's just we're being honest that it's underwhelming

[visual island]

Also why does it feel like vet gets so little toughness back from kills

[slow spade]

They get the same amount as everyone else

Did you play Vet before patch 13?

[junior needle]

Making it work for them is going from really bad to somewhat acceptable/mediocre at best.

[tiny summit]

Vet has toughness galore. Save for ogryn heavy melee

[slow spade]

^

Vet can even get toughness back on ranged kills

[junior needle]

Like, a fully built and talented recon with HH has typically less headshot dps than a gray, talentless ciag

[tiny summit]

ET, CK and OfB are all great toughness gen talents

[visual island]

I just feel like I'm always out of toughness maybe I'm trying to play to much like a zealot

[slow spade]

Of note, Vet used to have higher toughness regen on kill before patch 13

[slow spade]

I'm going to be honest

[tiny summit]

All a part of dodging and proper pushing to manage hordes

[slow spade]

How?

Melee Vet is one of the strongest builds

[tiny summit]

I play Exe most of the time and toughness never feels like an issue.

[austere pine]

VoC and infiltrate are goated

with none of the ults does it feel like an issue

and with exe it doesn't evne directly give back

[slow spade]

It sounds like you need to learn to dodge and slide more imo

[visual island]

I'm also not very good at the game mediocre at best so that's probly my issue

[slow spade]

Such is life

[austere pine]

it gets better hugs

[tiny summit]

All part of getting better

[slow spade]

Vet has the highest toughness regen potential outside of Ogryn heavy spam

Should be fine as long as you're not running at shooters

[visual island]

Only half the time

Thy be swift has gotten me into that habit

[slow spade]

Got to learn how to slide then

[visual island]

Does sliding help? Everytine I've tried to to avoid damage I just get knocked or my toughness broken

[tiny summit]

Catch a Breath and ET w/ Iron Will making me ignorant against shooters

Play another class "The fuck? I have to actually dodge bullets?"

[slow spade]

Yes, it makes them stop hitting you essentially

They don't seem to aim down

[tiny summit]

Ogryns power sliding and the bullets just phase through them. heretics looking at their guns

[visual island]

It seems gunners rarely stop firing to melee

[slow spade]

Also they don't knock you back if you're not aiming

[visual island]

That's useful

[slow spade]

Fatshark quality

[slow spade]

They shouldn't knock you back at all but apparently no one tested while aiming

Oh there's a major bug atm

VoC makes it so you're immune to hp damage from guns

So you could just abuse that I guess

[visual island]

Voc seems to be bugged in nurmous ways then

[slow spade]

Na its just that

VoC is functionally solid

[visual island]

I found a bug that let's you get one of the dead eye penences with voc

[slow spade]

That'd just penances being shit

[visual island]

Ah okay

[slow spade]

Fatshark basically don't update penances

So a lot of them are just annoying as fuck to do now

[visual island]

Ahyeah I noticed one of vets is difficult af

Take no damage or was it melee damage

[slow spade]

Ah actually that works as intended

[frank basin]

No damage*

[slow spade]

Its no melee damage

[visual island]

I want the cosmetic that it gives but it seems impossible at least with my skill level

[slow spade]

Problem is dogs ignore all defenses and do melee damage 😎

Its not the worst penance as it is a challenge + makes sense for vet to do

Meanwhile Psykers on suicide watch

[frank basin]

Get cosmetic from penances, use penances cosmetic. Then buy cosmetic from the shop and wear it, never use penance cosmetic again

[visual island]

Which one is that

[slow spade]

Indeed Fatshark incredibly mismanaged Darktide lol

[slow spade]

The one where you peril explode to kill an Elite

[visual island]

Oh I've already gotten that one awhile ago

[slow spade]

Indeed, probably one of the dumbest penances

[frank basin]

Least try buff damage one kill elite enemy

[slow spade]

Only beat out by the shit like "90% damage to a boss with brainburst"

[frank basin]

Exclude ogryn

[visual island]

I've been stuck using stun grenades with zealot for that penence

[frank basin]

I tried. Did not enough damage team already took it

[slow spade]

Yeah you just have to tank while your psyker tries to kill it

Helps with Ogryn + Vet due to their damage buffs

Still shit

[frank basin]

Aye

[wanton dawn]

100% precision no ammo says 🧀

That one did get adjusted

[slow spade]

Charged plasma for days 💪

Probably one of the only times I intentionally used charged shots

[midnight totem]

You just have to remember for that one to not take the ammo aura

Not have a vet with ammo aura

If you do, don't reload, after spending all of your ammo

And that shooting into bulwark shields count as a miss

[slow spade]

Except for plasma 😎

[visual island]

If I cam barley survive with normal weapons I don't stand much chance doing it with a disadvantage

[slow spade]

Just use the most blatantly op builds then UwU

[midnight totem]

Plasma superiority

[slow spade]

Psword + Plasma + Weapon Specialist

[wanton dawn]

Unironically very strong

[odd sparrow]

100 accuracy was such a dumb fucking idea, it would never happen during regular gameplay and so difficult that cheesing it was the default option since doing it legit is actual horseshit

[wanton dawn]

It is worse when you consider that hitting bulwark shield count as a miss: even with bolter which was the most popular gun back then

Problem being: shooting shield once with bolter is what you want to do

[woeful ibex]

Hey guys, Imagine this. Genestealer Cults are playable in a Card Game than In-game

[slow spade]

Brood Lord when UwU

[visual island]

And that's where all the devs have gone XD

[junior needle]

[umbral scaffold]

just don't take exe than, first melee clusterfuck u are done

[visual island]

Exe stands for

[junior needle]

executioners stance

[visual island]

I was enjoying exe for quite a bit

[agile forge]

It's not that bad tbh. Either just let E stance drop and swap out, or if it's a small number mow them down. Or bayonet stab.

It's definitely less good than VoC generally but it feels really fun imo

[tame lodge]

I've seen an increase in players running recon/smokes as of lately

[slow spade]

Recon buff hit the reddit

But they failed to mention you need a CRIT recon

So now I'm seeing mouthbreathers with Dumdum + Infernus Recons

[lyric dock]

That explains why there is no ammo packs in a 10 mile radius of a Recon user

[umbral scaffold]

is fun by itself, less fun when the whole team is dead and you are the only motherfucker alive holding an horde with a shovel....

[lyric dock]

If this didn't had awful perks and blessings. This would been a great Emperor's gift

[umbral scaffold]

everybody sleeping on stealth

[visual island]

Yeah fair enough

[tall torrent]

+8% groaner & poxwalker dmg
Shred
Thunderous

[wanton dawn]

• see reddit post: "stealth underrated"
• 0 upvote, 10 comment
It is not sleeping if ppl dump on it actively

Anyway, shout is completely busted rn

[tame lodge]

aware of it

[umbral scaffold]

yeah but it's the playerbase of darktide we are talking...so fuck whatever ppl say, they are wrong just by existing

[tame lodge]

Low Profile goes crazy

[trim steppe]

The emp consulted with Hadron before sending it your way

[midnight totem]

shitty way to lose my not going down penance progression

joined a high int halfway through with crushers right ontop of us

thats what I get for trying quickplay

[idle swallow]

bullrush thunderous club ogryn carried me for my no downs penance, too much damage resist to die

[pearl granite]

melk selling these, are they any good?

[slow spade]

Right one is good but damn those stats

Idk if that's too low on ammo

[tall torrent]

shovel no
headhunter worth harvesting

[slow spade]

Yeah I'd harvest right for the blessing too

[pearl granite]

thanks

[neon estuary]

am i tripping or do i just realize how important deadshot perk is for my columnus v? I didn't bother using deadshot very much because it costs alot of stimina while aiming down the sights.... but with my columnus v ...... a quick meat grinding

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-side-eye-side-eye-look-gif-2172576260448763209

im reluctant to say

[neon estuary]

at least it was quick down to grind down a mauler

[odd sparrow]

deadshot fucks hard with columnus

also its good with laspistol

[neon estuary]

as long as i have fast stimina regeneration, i'm good

[umbral scaffold]

meh....standard issue for win the day

[agile forge]

Deadshot gives CIAG crazy burst

It's not something you expect to impact every single bullet you fire

[vernal harbor]

it’s impressive how the conversations about stats and viability still continue even though like hard stats for stuff haven’t changed for several months

one day it’s viable then the next someone will be like “or is it…”

[odd sparrow]

well we are also cycling through different people, and peoples definition of viable is very subjective

[lyric dock]

As long it gets you consistent results under all sorts of bullshit the director throws at you that is Viable to me

[split sapphire]

I do love running my tank ranged build with the Mk.8 braced auto gun, thing is a beast against most enemies in close quarters

[visual island]

I can't remember is there a good shotgun for vet?

[agile forge]

Some people like all 3 of them

They are definitely unorthodox picks but they can work iirc

[odd sparrow]

all 3 are fine

[tiny summit]

I like the kant with deadshot. Ping pong between fire and bleed

[atomic zephyr]

agrippina shotgun is great for vet i find

[tiny summit]

The exe dream

[umbral scaffold]

my new girlfriend

[umbral scaffold]

btw you are doing it wrong without a shovel😂

[ripe totem]

I made an infiltrate vet the other day and its just so fun I stg

yeah im using plasma gun

but I have an excuse

[umbral scaffold]

legit, stealth vet must be run with WS and shovel/chainsword, plasma, revolver or shotgun....those are the best combo in my experience

[ripe totem]

rev it up is insane on infilvet

I think I switched out stamina curios for toughness

and just use rev it up to move everywhere and chase

with a focus on weapon spec

[umbral scaffold]

just try a standard issue shovel with it

[ripe totem]

I will :p

[astral dagger]

You know you want blood by killing everything with standard issue shovel while wearing full set of death korp of krieg

[umbral scaffold]

you don't see often vets holding hordes better than zealots🤣

[ripe totem]

the amount of zealots I see go that weird autogun build as well and not get in peoples faces

[umbral scaffold]

nahh that goes with hellbore and shovel.....but lasgun sucks with this build

[astral dagger]

But you can push horde of zombies with a veteran fus ro dah shout now that would be fun

[winter grove]

I do wanna see veteran go melee and outdamage the zealot

[astral dagger]

Lucius Mk III Helbore Lasgun with bayonet and a holy hand shovel while wearing full set of death korp of krieg armor set now that would be death korp fun

[umbral scaffold]

that's another kind of vet, the one than enable good teams to deleted heresy from existence; mine is a build for carrying braindead randoms aka 'i have to do all the work all by myself, just avoid to shoot what i'm meleeing and if you do cuz thoughness regen is a too colplex concept for you, i have a panic button' do you see where i'm going?😂

[astral dagger]

drive me closer i want to hit them with my sword

[umbral scaffold]

nahhh is more one man army 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA'

[astral dagger]

M35 Magnacore Mk II Plasma Gun is strong but charging too much can lead to painful violent detonation i prefer to go all in with standard issue shovel only for a murderous malicious intent

[midnight totem]

you mean glorious violent matyrdom

[astral dagger]

Yes a glorious violent matyrdom with a murderous malicious intent

in a most holy way

only thing they fear is you

[bitter turtle]

ive wanted to rev it up for a plasteel picking up meme build

on zealot though

[fickle wraith]

what do we run again for stub revolva?

[umbral scaffold]

not that big issue with WS imo

[brisk sapphire]

Handcannon/surgical for the OG revolver, handcannon/crucian for the 🤠 revolver

Or trickshooter

[tame lodge]

(all of them are good) you cannot go wrong with a lawbringer

just cut through a horde with the special ammo

[bitter turtle]

i still surgical for fanning

trickshooter is a complete meme

good for nothing except sick psykarium damage showcases

[brisk sapphire]

Yeehaw revolver is kind of a meme in itself

[frank basin]

What do you wish how much power for trick shooter should be?

[radiant chasm]

surgical doesn tod anything except the first bullet of the fan

[acoustic sapphire]

This was the Emperor's gift after an Auric Maelstrom.
I hate it.

[radiant chasm]

emperor's nerf gun

[acoustic sapphire]

Emperor's Air Soft.

[tame lodge]

as the Omnissiah intended

[brisk sapphire]

Probably still outdamages recon

[tame lodge]

lol

[frank basin]

I think recon 7 should get 125 damage on average

[bitter turtle]

you can still hold the fanning motion to stack surg

[frank ether]

so is running surgical for fanning if I'm being honest

[bitter turtle]

no fuk u it still 1taps all humanoids

you can tstop me from running it as a balanced zarona

[frank ether]

the gun in itself is a meme gun but its very clearly a spam weapon

[bitter turtle]

imo its honestly more effective than fanning everything

[frank ether]

it doesn't have nowhere near the same oomph or peneration per shot

and if you want a surgical weapon you should just use zarona

[bitter turtle]

what if i dont want to use an op weapon

i just want to play balans revolver

like

[frank basin]

What ya wish trick shooter how much power should be?

[bitter turtle]

dont think about zarona

just exit it from ur mind

its better thanfanshooter yes

everyone knows this already

[frank ether]

It doesnt matter

[bitter turtle]

speaking purely in terms of the fanning volver, i dont think relying on the fan is optimal

it 1taps on crit

why do you want to fan everything

[frank ether]

its still better to run other crit methods for agri

[bitter turtle]

its just using 3 ammo to do same thing you can do in 1

like take falmer

[frank ether]

its an inaccurate braced weapon

[bitter turtle]

u 1 tap on crit

you 2 tap on fan

why do you want to fan it

iits even LESS accurate on fan

[frank ether]

what do you do when you miss

do you just sit there and wait for a full surgical charge again

[bitter turtle]

theres 5 bullets

and volver has

like 60% crit rate base

with deadshot

[raw steppe]

Fanning is good

[bitter turtle]

and max crit bonus

and other bonuses

[raw steppe]

Problem is that

[bitter turtle]

so yes i wait 1 second

[frank ether]

again its just a poor use of your time

[raw steppe]

Normal revolver is op

[frank ether]

deadshot also saps away stamina the longer you wait

deadshot is very punishing for bad use of time

[raw steppe]

If they nerfed clip of zarona from 57 to 42 and nerf scav aura

I think fanning would be much more useable

[bitter turtle]

its a beter use of my resources than dumping 3 bullets into flamer body

[frank ether]

That doesn't make fanning any more or less useful aside from changing your perspective of it

[raw steppe]

It does

[frank ether]

Its a braced weapon with no penetration and lower base damage so duh its less suited for sitting there in ADS

[raw steppe]

If you nerf the alternatives

Also surgical is as bit overtuned

[frank ether]

Only if you're unable to look at things in a vacuum

and have to compare it to zarona

[open cosmos]

How do most people feel about best horde-defense melee weapon for a sharpshooter vet? I've been using Psword so far but I havent experimented much over the last few major updates

[lost portal]

Things aren’t in a vacuum though

[frank ether]

Agri is just not a very good pistol because its braced and your shots are down to random chance

its that fucking shrimplle

remove zarona it fixes fuck all

[bitter turtle]

if remove zarona doesnt change anything

then why the fuck do ppl never shut up about it when talking about agri

[frank ether]

do you get more accurate shots when zarona is gone? Do you get more pen? What the fuck are you all even on about

[bitter turtle]

any other gun comparison: cant compare to zarona/plasma, they are op

agri volver: but zarona!

[frank ether]

It changes nothing but your expectations if another better gun is gone from equation

vet chat please, common sense, I beg of you

[bitter turtle]

yes

when i compare it

to v7

i think its perfectly fine

but its not a perfectly accurate sniper with armor piercing roudns that can cleave through 5 ppl so bad

[raw steppe]

I think comparing stuff is fine

Especially if its the same weapon base

So it shares blessings

And use case

[bitter turtle]

its fine to compare

[frank ether]

comparing stuff is fine, but ''agri gets buffed if we nerf zarona'' is mental gymnastics

[bitter turtle]

but everyone already accept that zarona is op

and shit on it for that

except when ppl talk about agri

suddenly agri is bad bc its not zarona

[frank ether]

its bad because its bad

[bitter turtle]

it still 1 tap every humanoid elite/special

[frank ether]

has nothing to do with zarona

[bitter turtle]

and can down a crusher in under 1 sec

i think its perfectly fine

[frank ether]

its just not that good of a weapon

[bitter turtle]

its a tradeoff compared to somethign like v7

[frank ether]

why is this so hard to understand

[bitter turtle]

because

i am comparing it to other gun si use

i think it has valid tradeoffs

but all anyone says is "jUsT uSe ZaRoNa"

#veteran-class message

see

even u do it

"just use zarona"

[frank ether]

yes you'll be recommended the gun that can AIM AT THE HEAD consistently

[bitter turtle]

im comparing against v7

i trade reliability at 15m+ for armor piercing

[frank ether]

when you say ''I like to use surgical''

thats the logical advice llmao

[bitter turtle]

its a valid tradeoff

neither gun has notable cleave

[frank ether]

v7 can shoot things across sightine

you're gambling at 10+ meters

thats the difference

[bitter turtle]

no

you can pick off reliably at 15m with fanning

up to*

and v7 cant armor pierce

[lost portal]

Mate I’ve watched the Zar collat entire waves of shotgunners with ease.

[bitter turtle]

mother

god

damnit

im talking about v7

[frank ether]

wdym by that

[bitter turtle]

stop talking about zarona

yes we know its overpowered as fug i dont care

[frank ether]

penetration or rending

[bitter turtle]

ur dps on carapace with v7 is ok-ish but its not very worth in terms of

the amount of ammo and stamina you spend

[frank ether]

aren't you playing surgical?

you just wait for a crit and hit it for silly damage

[bitter turtle]

its unironically faste rjust to spam shots if ur talking pure dps on v7

and no

you dont do silly dmg

you do about 1/4th of its hp

with v7

even on a crit

so unless you want to wait 4 times

[frank ether]

I love how you take two guns

[bitter turtle]

if you take ogryn dmg its about 1/3rd

[frank ether]

and get them both completely backwards

[bitter turtle]

i literally

play the fuck out of v7

how do i have it backwards

[frank ether]

as in replace the way you approach both gun and you get to the developer intent of them

[bitter turtle]

ok

let me show you

dps

waiting

vs spamming

on a crusher

just saying, i dont shoot crusher period with v7

[frank ether]

they want you to get deadly accurate procs with v7 and they want you to spam the fuck out of agri revolver

[bitter turtle]

its a waste of resources, that is what i use melee for on v7 builds

[frank ether]

both vraks guns have some silly carapace dps for being basic ass autoguns

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/b7496c29bd6bf72ede39506dad1bc797.jpg

this is waiting

for 6-7 procs

of surgical

every time

before shooting

[frank ether]

again this looks like a build problem

[bitter turtle]

ok

[frank ether]

I do like... 3k something dps even on vraks 3

[bitter turtle]

that is on v3

yes

i can do that on v3 too

it is much better against carapace than v7

https://i.gyazo.com/d0922c1b3019dd536bce9d6ed33cd271.jpg

spamming shots

but sure, show me your 3k dps on v7 on crushers

that still hits all other bps

let me guess, it only works with 15 mf stacks and 20% rending on both mid and left or something

ridiculous like that

here, this is me waiting for only 4 stack surgical

https://i.gyazo.com/bd167705f37ddfcf7da188d904345782.jpg

its still lower

even tho that is technically not even guaranteed crit, so god forbid u fail the 70% roll and do 100 dmg

[frank ether]

no I don't run 15 stacks, not enough points for that honestly

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/a8ae27489fa2af5746117b37af532e40.png

but here

tell me where im building v7 wrong

lol

im sure im just missing 2.2k dps on carapace somewhere

[bitter turtle]

what is the stats on the gun/ what is the tree

[frank ether]

I'm running marksman focus

one sec

[bitter turtle]

cause yes

https://i.gyazo.com/e38a3b9c5d76aef10643f77f57ba0bca.jpg

you can get

that much

if you run like

fucking

+carapace and MF with high stacks + the conditional rending

which is a bad way to run the gun

[frank ether]

I do have carapace yes

why would that be a bad way to run the gun

[bitter turtle]

because you dont have unconditional gunner picks

[frank ether]

this build still has like 180 something toughness

[bitter turtle]

yes, you dont have determined which is extremely useful on the gun, you also dont have unconditional gunner picks

[frank ether]

one sec let me show the gun aswell

[bitter turtle]

with that setup

[frank basin]

Getting chink their armor has to standing stilll

[bitter turtle]

you wont be able to critless 1 tap either gunner type on that setup

[frank ether]

I don't agree

[bitter turtle]

also maniac is a waste there

idk what bp its actually getting u

flamer?

i know dreg rager need maniac but flak rager also need flak

and flak gets you scab gunner too

and plus

[frank ether]

tox or regular?

[bitter turtle]

are we seriously saying "agri bad because its unconditional armor pen isnt worth v7 running MF rending can do better"?

https://i.gyazo.com/250c1004a0af77545d35a36a5e52e2e1.jpg tox and flamer are same no?

all u need is 10% rending on the mid tree to crit 1tap bp them

additional maniac damage is unecessary

[frank ether]

no agri is a bad surgical weapon because you can't be precise with it for surgical play

and v7 is a good surgical weapon because you can be very, very precise with it

[frank basin]

Is agri you saying are brust round?

[frank ether]

revollver

[bitter turtle]

surgical doesnt intrinsically need precision, and if anything, holding agri for 1 second and letting the crosshairs settle is more synergistic with it

[frank basin]

Oh

[bitter turtle]

all surgical asks is that the gun holds the ads for 1 second

nothing about accuracy

[frank ether]

it doesn't, but if you're committing to slow firing a weapon it better pay off

which agri doesn't

[bitter turtle]

if you're playing up close with it its hardly an issue

anyway

i can hit shots reliably (in psyk at least) up to 15m

[frank ether]

with v7 I'm not just getting surgical stacks I'm also getting exe stacks

I do not have the need to close distance

as the gun is just a laser beam

[bitter turtle]

ok

genuine question

why even play v7 with that setup

all it does better is vs carapace

js the way i have it setup onetap almost everything

and importantly, critless 1tap gunners

so you can shoot like 20 of them in a row without needing to pause for surg crits

[frank ether]

why not? It one shots anything worth critting on

I still critless 1tap gunners

[bitter turtle]

you need MF stack for that

[frank ether]

either exe or some mf stacks will guarantee the bps

[bitter turtle]

sure, fine, you can say exe+MF can cover each other whenever one is down

but then you running exec over voc

[frank ether]

and its not that hard to stand still on an infinite range gun

and when you're tied up in melee, you're tied up in melee anyway

[bitter turtle]

not really

you can voc lmao and gun down every gunner before everyone gets up

[frank ether]

I can also run voc and just juice the gun with mf aswell

[bitter turtle]

not reliable though

then