veteran-class

[frank ether]

no monstro spawned till mid event

I was just spamming lights on a door till a BoN showed up that I remembered what modifiers I'm playing

[tiny summit]

we had a couple, even nurgle blessed ones but like for the finale there was only 1

[frank ether]

for the finale there was uhh

a single chaos spawn

that spawned at extraction

[tiny summit]

nurgles strongest!'

lmao

we had one porgyn spawn when the holdout was gonna start

[frank ether]

there was this bolter zealot

between me and her we still did like 250k boss damage

knife boss dps is so stupid good

I killed a regular chaos spawn thinking it was a weakened

[tiny summit]

struggling to get like 500k dmg these games

[frank ether]

oh yeah

476K that game, + 120k boss

[umbral scaffold]

ive been playin since beta its never been this bad before

no wonder this is just the unofficial helldivers server now

[frank ether]

helldivers has its own problems

its fresh right now so I turn a blind eye to it

I don't see helldivers as a game I would want to play with randoms

to me darktide is like the only co-op game I'll boot up and play with strangers

[umbral scaffold]

because the strangers are slightly smarter

i hate to get all elitist but turning off crossplay guarantees at least a 10 point increase on average in IQ

[frank ether]

I like it when I play with familiar ppl

for hd2?

[umbral scaffold]

yes

[frank ether]

I mean thats sorta like most games but yea

[umbral scaffold]

even then the PC players r not that smart either

i yelled at some dude to shut the fuck up for being a salty toxic bitch in VC and he just tk'd me but i kicked him out since i was host

[frank ether]

so many toxic ppl in that game its funny

[umbral scaffold]

its because it popped off on social media

[inland canopy]

tfw played shortly after game release and have achievement elo

[umbral scaffold]

every bitter disgruntled NPC in the world picked it up because it showed up on their reels or tiktok

[frank ether]

this may get me 0.5 weapons when content drops

Idk why I'm grinding ordo as if content might drop anytime soon

[shadow dagger]

that looks like an oddly low amount of diamantine

[slow spade]

I can't believe Ogryn got true infinite ammo before the Vet

[frank ether]

I had like 30k at some point

Idk what happened to it

[junior needle]

Had a guy who left his mic on and had a clearly crying kid in the background that he was trying to ignore and telling to shut up. Some friends and I were listened to that for a good while.

[toxic leaf]

idk whats going with maelstrom queues, but man am i getting some teams

4 wound guys dead and buried within 5 minutes of starting

[umbral scaffold]

crossplay on?

this sounds like a PS player moment ngl

[junior needle]

Yeah we had crossplay on

[umbral scaffold]

helldivers is the one game i will probably always do premades on only

the average quality of players dropped steeply

i bought the game about 10 days after launch and it was alright then, but now the people are terrible

[junior needle]

Gonna wait until they do a balance pass, most of the weapons are big shit

The laser weapons especially

[woeful ibex]

guys

is the server up?

because stuck in loading screen

[tall torrent]

Been having that issue too

[woeful ibex]

stuck for 20 minutes already

[tall torrent]

Oh this, I’d just restart game

[woeful ibex]

I did it twice

still stuck

[tall torrent]

Hmm idk then

[junior needle]

I was able to log in with the usual amount of time. Try restarting your router

[woeful ibex]

i did it

yeah works

[sonic marlin]

backup settings then verify steam files

[royal flint]

Does anyone know a easy way of completing make every shot count?

[wispy mist]

make every shot count

[dusty nacelle]

I think ppl just run revolver and then wait for a monstrosity to spawn and magdump it and then never pick up ammo for the rest of the mission

[junior needle]

Today I learned you can just bind ping to right click and it automates it for you entirely on automatics

Ping keystone is now on my menu

[vale ledge]

Plasma gun, run a melee build, waste your ammo on lesser enemy’s boom done

Also make sure that there isn’t an ammo vet on your team

[sinful jacinth]

It doesn't matter if you empty your gun and never swap back.

[vale ledge]

Still doesn’t hurt to be extra safe

[royal flint]

https://tenor.com/view/steins-gate-anime-stare-gif-11701069

[vale ledge]

But yeah run a melee build as vet so you aren’t just

[royal flint]

do any enemies count? it doesn't have to be any of the special ones?

[vale ledge]

Nope just gotta actually aim I believe

[wispy mist]

Yeah just dont run the ammo regen, run the revolver to zero and finish the mission

Ez

[vale ledge]

Plasma gun is what I used cuz of the charge shots

[royal flint]

I try both methods

[vale ledge]

As well as the size of the projectile as well

GO FOR BODY SHOTS

[royal flint]

ok

[junior needle]

Alternatively you can just do the special mission and empty your gun into the boss shields

[vale ledge]

Better to do on a regular mission cuz uhhh

Huh

Maybe do it on a reg mission and if that fails do that

[royal flint]

alright

[junior needle]

slab_loading_thoughts.jpg

[royal flint]

Should I use one with low ammo?

[tall torrent]

yes

[royal flint]

ok

[visual island]

Are there any quirky vet builds? I'm still struggling a bit to make progress

[scarlet lintel]

This any good?

[timid otter]

It misses in alot of categories

Bad perks, blessings

Bloodletter is good but the differnence between 14 bleed stacks, 13 is huge

[scarlet lintel]

rip

[fading solar]

Seriously wish Veteran combo'd with bleed better

[tame lodge]

What do you mean by quirky

[visual island]

Just intresting I guess

[timid otter]

High noon boss killer (ranged veteran)
Any melee weapon
Agrippina mk 15 quickdraw stub revolver. Unyielding, flak. Sustained fire, trickshooter.

Tries to maximize the amount of boss damage the agrippina quickdraw revolver does while still keeping it as a strong weapon outside that niche. 3 mags aiming for weak spot, with ability activation should be enough to kill any boss. Sustained fire unlike its description actually pros on the second, third, fourth shot within a salvo making it a strong damaging boost option for a fanning build. The damage falloff on the agrippina however is quite high, so aim to mainly stay close to enemies while unleashing a barrage of devastating single target damage.

Agrippina revolver is a fairly weird, quirky weapon to make work

Low tier weapon in most regards expect its boss killing potenial

[raw steppe]

the problem with it is that even as a bosskiller

the dmg output is kinda subpar compared to other options

[timid otter]

Any examples?

[raw steppe]

for example

if you have a vraks3 hitting headshots, or just a brauto hosing down bodyshots with 32% dmg tag

[junior needle]

If you're struggling already, I don't think meme builds are going to help you not struggle

[raw steppe]

brauto hose actually does pretty respectable damage surprisingly

turns out when you don't need to aim, it becomes a lot easier to hit stuff

[visual island]

I'd rather struggle and have fun then be sad and struggle

[frank ether]

I'm not very impressed with vraks 3 boss dps post nerf

anything hits boss hard with the tag keystone

[junior needle]

Do you not like nearly 6k headshot dps with exe?

Or is it too flimsy from the 18k you could get before

[frank ether]

do you get that dps in practice

or is it one of those meat grinder only setups

that 18k clip got vraks nerfed anyhow

infinite rending patch

[junior needle]

What is in practice really? I got it in the psyk doing this.

[frank ether]

thats exactly the kind of build I had in mind

[raw steppe]

in practice you have much lower dps

[frank ether]

deadshot exe focus mark

[raw steppe]

because you can't hit head

[frank ether]

zero stamina sustain

[raw steppe]

100% of the time

[frank ether]

this is like the shit

thats entirely non existant in normal gameplay

about the same reason agri revolver isn't impressive

[junior needle]

If I took stamina curios I could've gotten it higher

[royal flint]

I have done It only took me 2 tries, thanks for the tip

[frank ether]

I don't think you took the hint yet

I'm not talking about your meatgrinder dps

[junior needle]

But muh psyk warrior numbers, I gotta grind my meat

Considerations of practicality are for squares

[frank ether]

140 stamina 150 hp, still zero tools to make the boss stand still like that for %100 headshot ratio though

[junior needle]

That's a problem for other people to figure out

The real best players never leave the psyk

[dusty nacelle]

the solution is to bribe the boss into standing still mid mission

[junior needle]

They just grind they meat

And make condescending youtube videos and also clickbait

"THE VRAKS 3 IS INSANE?!?! 8K+ DPS ON BOSSES!!!! THIS BUILD IS OVERPOWERED"

[frank ether]

I'll make a r*con video on youtube now

I watched tanners video and lost braincells already

[junior needle]

Go forth my creation, bait more shitters into using them

[crude fiber]

what he say lol

[frank ether]

made a video about recon dps being good and ammo not being bad immediately after fatshark fixed shock trooper

[crude fiber]

weird, i thought he was a meta hugger

[frank ether]

I mean he was using focus mark

[junior needle]

He was

[frank ether]

which is pretty meta for meat grinder gaming

cause you can make big number

[crude fiber]

+32% dam is pretty nice tbf

[junior needle]

I went on about it in zealot chat

But he says in the title that they're "GOOD" and then in game he says oh well you can get ok dps with them

[raw steppe]

the problem is that darktide doesn't have enough update

for meta following videos

to get lots of views

[junior needle]

Not just the one he thinks is good, he says all the recons are good in the title

[raw steppe]

you need to do the

knife recon

invis

[junior needle]

And then in the video says the other 2 are dog

[raw steppe]

builds

[crude fiber]

oh potential click bait for silly laser pointer

[raw steppe]

in order to be like "THIS BUILD IS INSANE"

[junior needle]

Also his testing method blows

Because he was like "the 6d blows never use it ever" when he's using showcasing it without onslaught on the same build as the 7a

When the 6d has considerably higher dps with onslaught

[frank ether]

I don't like any of the recons

but 6d onslaught is funny against crusher

[junior needle]

That's because they sugg

[crude fiber]

i thought it was funny when he said fighting a hoard of crushers in the psyk is harder then a group of them in real game

[jaunty sphinx]

recons are ass unfortunately

[junior needle]

Fighting them in a wide open arena with plenty of space for kiting is much harder than the typically contained spaces of regular maps and also other enemies closing on you

Makes sense

[frank ether]

my favourite is when lack of space or enemies closing in eating on my dodge space

[crude fiber]

nah you just need the + elite and + ogryn nodes, onslaught, red juice and rending node and recon is really good

[frank ether]

clearly makes my life easier

[jaunty sphinx]

||v funny that hes clickbaiting over recon las now after shitting on realasianrobot for clickbaiting and making builds he said sucked ||

[junior needle]

This argument unironically comes up on reddit very often

"But look, it does close dps on crushers"

[jaunty sphinx]

LOL

[frank ether]

I actually have a yee yee ass v3 build very similar to yours

I just dont use exec

140 toughness doesnt matter when you have voc

[junior needle]

I've never actually used it in a game, I made it purely to try and recreate crabs test

[frank ether]

yea though keep in mind

v3 of that patch

[crude fiber]

140 toughness dont matter when you dont take damage

[frank ether]

did that sort of dps to everything

without needing tag keystone

there were no keystones .d

but marksman was a whopping %50 power

holy hell we were eating good

[timid otter]

Fighting hordes actually is harder in the psykanium then in real games

[junior needle]

"This is a bad build, it doesn't take any defenses"
Just don't get hit, skill issue

[timid otter]

Hordes are very relitant on surface area to beat the player.

[crude fiber]

give me 1 toughness so i get the full benifits of having full toughness and i regen to full in 1 melee kill

[frank ether]

deadshot v3 has some headaches if you want real talk

mainly burst gun pains

like you have to commit for 3 shots when you fire

so shooting basic ass gunners usually eats up my stamina

[junior needle]

Just uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh put points into duck n dive

I have solved problem

[frank ether]

one small issue

I have ran out of points

hmm tbh

deadshot duck and dive can be done

without giving up the middle

but then I'd have to sack elsewhere

which is gonna be the keystone gone

[junior needle]

I continue my infinite quest for a better knife

[bitter turtle]

Quest for a good knife only to realize u barely use it for killing and mostly mobility

Tfw made 4 good knives

[junior needle]

I'm exclusively playing zealot now, I use it to kill a lot of things

[bitter turtle]

Maybe I should have rolled some of those knives on zealot instead 🤔

[lost portal]

Average Helllbore game

[radiant chasm]

Does v3 even need deadshot now with headhunter blessing

[bitter turtle]

I had most success running it as a weapon specialist build

[frank ether]

I don't think so

you're like forced to shoot 3 in a row anyways

so I just take mf instead of deadshot on v3

[bitter turtle]

Might just be a skissue but I bodyshot way too much with v3 to consider mf

[frank ether]

I just enjoy agriag a lot more for

shooting feel

its such a comfy gun to shoot

[frank ether]

is it like a recoil thing

or do you just aim at body lvl

[junior needle]

It gives finesse power which applies to crits as well

[bitter turtle]

I aim at neck level to compensate recoil preemptively

But sometimes I miss and aim lower

[junior needle]

You could also feasibly take surgical on a v3 but it's less efficient if you consistently can consistently hit headshots

[bitter turtle]

I hit it enough to make headhunter worth

But idk about keeping up MF

Since if I kill with a body by accident is no stacks

[frank ether]

v3 is a spam gun

[bitter turtle]

Head hits don't count for anything after all if they don't kill

[frank ether]

better with hh

[frank ether]

the idea is you spam at head level-ish

[bitter turtle]

Weapon specialist for a guaranteed crit string feels nice anyway

And if I miss then the increased rof kills anything anyway

Or the next targets

[frank ether]

getting stacks is the easy part hard part is keeping them lol

Idk I think tying stacks to movement was a mistake

should have probably been on a fixer timer or something

reward for tempo not for standing still

[bitter turtle]

I think it a bit of a design fail in the sense that someone unfamiliar with game would think the goal is to not move

You saw ppl thinking that at the start

And sometimes still do

[frank ether]

It just needs to cook a little more

[bitter turtle]

Forgot who said this but stack on weakspot hit with internal cooldown would probably be the best fix imo

[lost portal]

I've always thought that It should've been on miss

[bitter turtle]

and adjust rending node to be rending per stack

not all or nothing at 10

[frank ether]

I think I'd like to see a node for stam regen

[bitter turtle]

could change the toughenss gain node to be toughness gain and stam

[frank ether]

maybe add something like that to the toughness regen node

focus mark has that thing where one node gives you both toughness and stam

weapon spec can also supply both

[bitter turtle]

wep specialist could use some of those subnodes combined together

like half of them nobody ever takes lol

[frank ether]

yeah it has a bit too many

but each one is also quite strong

[bitter turtle]

i think restore stamina +stam cost reduction could be combined

and the passive reload + reload speed

toughness gain on swap is really good so it can just stay as is

[frank ether]

yeah maybe spec could do with less nodes lmao

[bitter turtle]

at least for hte reload

i think most guns are not benefitting from both fully anyway

plasma/revolver prefers the passive one by far

shotgun only really cares about the speed

and stam cost reduction is such a minor bonus that i think its fine to staple it onto the stamina gain one

literally have never seen that taken anyway

[unkempt relic]

I kind of wish they reworked Vet and dumped all precision weapon specialties into a Ratling

Then make hellbore a little faster and what not

[junior needle]

Despite the voice lines, the odds of actually getting a ratling are nonexistent

One of the devs somewhere said they aren't making any new characters with different POV's

Also because people would be severely disappointed with hobbits instead of a mechanicus class or something

[unkempt relic]

That's just fucking lame tbh

Mechanicus class is what the game industry has in it's dreams, because robotic characters are so bland

[potent iris]

it's not just down to not wanting to, they'd need to rework every map to accomodate a smaller character

[unkempt relic]

more like vermintide then?

[potent iris]

they already had to build the maps to accomodate both humans and ogryns re: vaulting and other aspects of maps

[unkempt relic]

makr ratling jump higher

[potent iris]

vermintide is less complicated in that regard because the movement isn't anywhere near as parkour-y but yea

they could do something like give ratlings big jumps for vaulting and such but cover would be awkward just by virtue of most boxes and other cover spots (that aren't peaking around walls) being of a height that would most likely just get in a ratlings way

[unkempt relic]

I already get cucked by boxes as Ogryn, so it could even out

[potent iris]

like it's not impossible, just a lot of work

also y'know, they'd need to make a whole skill tree for any given new character

like it could happen I just wouldn't hold me breath is all

[unkempt relic]

They could be working on it right now! Then we'll see it faster

lol

no, but it'd be insane to get a new character and have him be an extra support

or just insane dps

[potent iris]

skill trees more or less seem to follow a pattern of offensive-supportive-stealth for vet and zeal while Ogryn goes melee-tank-ranged and psyker is just psyker where it's all just different flavours of space wizard

I'm sure they could cook up something for ratling if so inclined

[unkempt relic]

I already envisioned it, could be a mix of sniper-support, and close quarters support. Sniper/long range support would be at taking care or specials by using enemy pen abilities, but small damage, or big damage with lasgun but no pen. Then use knives and claws to pen armor

cqc support would look like what zealots do but no knockdown, instead do dot dmg with poisons or something

or movement debuffs, etc.

It could work, but it would rebalance the whole game practically

but we all know the community likes that, lol

big changes

[potent iris]

people do be going bananas for big changes

[bitter turtle]

why

is it so hard

to get bloodletter IV

im on my knees FS

[tiny summit]

anybody notice the new spawn in the amphitheater finale on the carnival map

[bitter turtle]

yes

they put 2 in the back

and they added scaffolds for gunners to stand on above the entrance

[rigid pilot]

Oh they finally did? But what about the unpathable crates

[unkempt relic]

Are these blessings good on this shield?

I feel like if I swing fast enough on a big enemy I can actually get a use of Confident strike

And these maybe?

[terse idol]

You should ask in #ogryn-class But I don't think Confident Strike is very good

[unkempt relic]

Oh shit

mb, lol

[terse idol]

[unkempt relic]

thought I was in there

[terse idol]

Ogryn popping into the Vet break room

[winged warren]

like skirmisher?
i heard that one you need to run for 5 seconds straight lol

haven

t tried it mysel

f

[bitter turtle]

that one is just bad

the one weapon that could use it

knife

u cant really use well either

the heavy attacks dont count as a sprinting state

even though spamming heavies is how you save stam and move fast on knife

[tall torrent]

If they ever consider new subclasses for the 4 we have, I kinda want a field engineer path for Veteran

[junior needle]

That's true, it's also a lot of work for an kind of character that people would be very disppointed with aesthetically

[tall torrent]

AT mines & barbed wire

good times

AT mines can fulfill large AoE stagger and anti-armor dmg but no bleed like frags

barbed wire can be slowdown + apply bleed the longer enemies stay in it

[junior needle]

I'd rather get the squad leader that was theorized awhile back based on datamines

Call in ai guardsmen as your ability

[winged warren]

arco helped me come up with this build

hes the one that told me the running ability is shit

one of the people here showed me his build and he had the running ability

back when i was asking

[junior needle]

Going out of your way to take the movespeed aura

[winged warren]

agile engagement best in tier tho, at least in my context.

[junior needle]

It is

Absolutely not

It's not even close to survivalist

[winged warren]

\

im talkinga bout this, not the aura.

[junior needle]

Oh that. What weapon?

[winged warren]

im running caxe with with a kant.

[junior needle]

Kant can mean a lot of guns

[winged warren]

idk might hcange out kant

[junior needle]

It's a good talent but

[winged warren]

sorry, fire shotgun

[junior needle]

Not worth going ms aura for

[winged warren]

they give you so much ammo in game anyway :v

[junior needle]

What difficulty are you playing it

[winged warren]

and cqc gives you ammo

usually a5histg or a5mael.
obviously now that im levelling im on malice.

[junior needle]

It doesn't give you ammo. It just reloads your weapon from your ammo pool.

[tall torrent]

if ur playing shotgun, don't play this

[winged warren]

oh

but yeah map givesy ou alot of ammo anyway

[junior needle]

You may find you don't need survivalist but

It helps your team very considerably and people will often run out in aurics

[winged warren]

how come? o.o

[tall torrent]

you might not need survivalist but ur team is a different story

[tall torrent]

exhilarating takedown for shotgun is meme-tier pick

pls don't actually do that

[winged warren]

that one i realized
wanted to change to vollet adept.
either that or i take one of the rifles

[tall torrent]

if u need help with talents

I have a guide that's pinned in this channel

all veteran talent breakdown

[junior needle]

I'm posting it again

[winged warren]

its okeh team problem

[tall torrent]

reciprocity is also very questionable for a combat axe + shotgun build

given neither weapon benefits much from it

[winged warren]

i really should swap out to rifle then

seems like

[junior needle]

It also helps you. Not just directly, but if your team is hoovering ammo, they'll come for what you need eventually.

[tall torrent]

krak grenade is somewhat questionable since combat axe does well vs crushers & bulwarks already

[winged warren]

im only confident with caxe against 1 crusher

[tall torrent]

reciprocity is questionable for like 95% builds imma just be honest

[winged warren]

[tall torrent]

frags help stagger them

[winged warren]

doesn't specific rifles have longer crit strings

[winged warren]

its more about the zombies and other stuff around.

[tall torrent]

yes you also get to only proc reciprocity against mass shooters, not elites

[winged warren]

like after the stagger they will come back "alive"

[junior needle]

Rifle is a bit vague. Automatics and burst fires have crit strings

[tall torrent]

2 frages wipe rooms

[winged warren]

it applies bleed, so they die after like some time right?

its not instant wipe.

[tall torrent]

on reciprocity:

If you’re using melee weapons that kill things too fast (like combat axe), you don’t get enough stacks with it to be noticeably useful

Dodge states can’t activate it when getting shot at by elites which really hurts its usability for ranged weapons (and for mass shooters you’d get shot into a beehive before it stacks to full)

It’s only ever solidly useful for knife / tac axe, where tac axes aren’t the greatest for veteran rn, and knife is a very special kind of special (not saying it’s bad, just niche)

For like, a solid 90~95% of the weapons in this game, CQKZ is the better pick over reciprocity if you want to get to desperado

[tall torrent]

they die pretty quickly

[winged warren]

wait if you get shot at elite, and you dodge, no count? o.o

[tall torrent]

no

it's been tested

[winged warren]

i took caxe because i really don't want to use psword

and tbh

this build is jsut because i really liked how kant feels, and needed a build for kant

[tall torrent]

too bad, combat axe is on the same S tier in veteran meta

[winged warren]

its fine, way better than psword imo

[tall torrent]

I would suggest tac reload on right tree

out for blood also procs for ur fire kills

not taking left tree is questionable (even for a shotgun build) but it's just my bias there

extra ammo & elite dmg go a long way

consult my documents if u have questions on how talents work

[winged warren]

not enough points
i want my caxe to be 2 hitting gunners thats why i took agile engagement
i haven't tested the breakpoints yet because im underlevelled.
i was hoping agile engagement+ reci would let me hit that breakpoint (even if reci isn't reliable)

i mean i can throw away reci

but that only leaves me with one point, very sad.

oh wait

desparado

[tall torrent]

u should have gunner 2 hit tbh?

[winged warren]

would desparado + agile give me gunner 2 hit? o.o

[tall torrent]

if u built ur axe properly (unarmored perk)

if ur axe doesn't have unarmored I have bad news for u

[winged warren]

nah one of the gunners is flak head

^ how i build it on zealot

[tall torrent]

yes, rashad has high flak dmg

u 2 hit scab gunners regardless

but u need unarmored

[junior needle]

Why uh

Are we talking about gunner breakpoints with a rashad

Have I walked into bizarro world

[tall torrent]

he's talking abt it

but rly he should take unarmored because bruiser 1hs

[junior needle]

You need bruiser breakpoints, not gunners

[tall torrent]

and a rashad that doesn't hit bruiser 1hs is basically bricked

[winged warren]

its basically what i want to achieve
hmmm, i should test breakpoints when i hit 30, thanks for the hint.

So i don't need reci or desparado correct?

[tall torrent]

desperado maybe

desperado is a generally good pick

reciprocity is meme-tier for 90~95% weapons

[tall torrent]

zealot has a bit different breakpoints from veteran

zealot rashad plays martyrdom (usually) which gives enough dmg to make up for breakpoints

veteran needs those breakpoints all the time

[winged warren]

iirc even 3 wounds in rashad still needs 2 hit on bruiser tin heads (iirc**)

[tall torrent]

veteran wants 1hs both bruiser all the time (with headtaker stacks ofc)

[winged warren]

gunner 2 hits doesn't come in way later

[tall torrent]

gunner bp matters less given you're veteran

like, just shoot them

[winged warren]

but with a shotgun :p

[tall torrent]

yea just shoot them

[junior needle]

I just shoot them on zealot too

[tall torrent]

no respite 2 shots them very easily

[winged warren]

how do i take tact reload ;-;

probably if desparado doen't matter

[tall torrent]

step one don't go left tree

[winged warren]

desparado + the 33 aura toughness, goes to tact reaload

[winged warren]

bring it down very cool

tact awareness also very cool

[tall torrent]

yea they're not left tree

[winged warren]

you mean this one?

[tall torrent]

what else do u think I'm referring to

[winged warren]

i have 70 iq

be patient

[tall torrent]

U can try this

[winged warren]

wouldn't longshot help with shotgun at ranged though?

not that

as in

i will try to be in close as far as possible

but like

sometimes they up there camping

[tall torrent]

not meaningful enough because most ranged enemies that u care about die to 2 fire shots from kant9

if u have no respite on ur shotgun it's fairly consistent 2 tap

the only ranged enemy that survives would be reaper where u can use krak for

[winged warren]

if its far enough sometimes they don't get staggered, or too little pellets hit, very sad

[tall torrent]

Aiming down sights increase minimum pellet hit value

[winged warren]

why no more fleeting fire

[tall torrent]

which applies more fire

[winged warren]

i do ;-;

[tall torrent]

u already have tac reload

[winged warren]

yuh,

[tall torrent]

another reload speed talent really isn't needed

[winged warren]

but but

fastur

sir.

[tall torrent]

Plus not having confirmed kill can be a bit problematic in auric HiSTG

So having keystone constantly refill you 20% toughness just by getting kills and swapping weapons is pretty nice

If situation calls for it, melee 1 guy, shoot another then swap back to melee

[winged warren]

i don't like how its a 3 seconds CD tho

[tall torrent]

You just got 40% toughness back

It’s 3s CD for each type

As long as you’re not activating the same specialist type more than once within 3s, it’s basically always up

[winged warren]

what about, this :p

[tall torrent]

Melee 1 guy, swap to ranged (activate ranged for 20%)
Shoot 1 guy, swap to melee (activate melee for 20%)

[tall torrent]

You really don’t need 20% reload speed from keystone

You already have refill + tac reload

Having more on top of that is just diminishing returns for how many points you’re putting into reload speed alone

And no, 33% toughness dmg reduction is huge

[winged warren]

refill only refills like one boolet rite

[tall torrent]

You have tac reload on top of that

[winged warren]

only in coherency.
im always going infront

[tall torrent]

That’s already 20% reload speed

[winged warren]

is the reload speed additive? or multiplicative

[tall torrent]

If you need more than 20% reload speed & refill to play a shotgun, you probably shouldn’t be playing shotgun in the first place imo

[winged warren]

so like if i take the purple node reload, its 40% increased reload speed?

[tall torrent]

Additive I believe

You don’t need more than tac reload + refill

[winged warren]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[winged warren]

do i really need this when i already have shout

[tall torrent]

Shout has a cooldown (yes it’s real)

And having the ability to very quickly gain 40% toughness can help u keep iron will up outside of shout

The only other builds that can gain anywhere close to that much toughness within a second are gloryhunter plasma & RA laspistol stuff

[winged warren]

this is so sad. i have to listen to you.
No more 40% reload speed

[tall torrent]

[winged warren]

i forgot about iron will

maybe i try 40% first and if i die i swap to toughness on swap :p

maybe

[tall torrent]

If you want to drop tac reload

For fleeting fire

That would save u 1 extra point

[tall torrent]

@winged warren

U can run this

[winged warren]

ok thanks dood

[tall torrent]

[junior needle]

Still taking ms

[winged warren]

im going to try the 40% reload one first of course

[tall torrent]

It has better pathing nodes

10% melee + AE + 5% crit chance

Fire team pathing could never

[junior needle]

I've already said all that needs to be

[tall torrent]

Yea well if he’s gonna go surv he wouldn’t be able to take like half the things he wanted

And I just hope he doesn’t slurp up too much ammo playing shotgun

[winged warren]

sorry but im not a teamplayer
this build is zealot-like because i wanted to play with shotguns on zealot but zealot doesn't have great (other than aib) ranged skills 🐭

[winged warren]

close to mdi range its like 2 shots for a gunner
2 shots for fire on bulwarks

i think snipers die on 1 tap headshot

all man specials do iirc

[winged warren]

and uh @tall torrent thanks for understanding. its jsut annoying when people keep pushing for certain things you understand but just don't agree with / want

if i really want to min max i would just play psword + pgun.

i think its more fun to create a build to do what you want to do, personally.

[tall torrent]

Veteran min-max has more, power sword + plasma is just a stereotyped meta build

[winged warren]

i see it in most of my pub vets, and its disgusting. its so disgusting some of the vets i see that runs it try to play a5histg / a5mael (one was a+3) that doesn't know how to dodge dogs because they just use shout

[tall torrent]

It is what it is

[winged warren]

psword one hits everything except a crusher, and maybe the mauler.
but point is its so absurd might as well just download an actual trainer and cheat.

[tall torrent]

Some people are just hard carried by crutch weapons and never try other things

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t 1 hit a lot of things actually

[winged warren]

wait what doesn't it one hit

crusher bulwark, mauler?

i know i saw it one tap muties

[tall torrent]

Shotgunners, ragers, gunners, maulers, all 3 Ogryns, mutants

Mutant 1 tap is smth u need to build for

And only with push atk

[winged warren]

well with the man sized stuff you just typed, its two hits right?

[tall torrent]

I don’t count push atk 1 shot as “proper” vs shotgunners & gunners

And no, ragers take 3

[winged warren]

why not?

[tall torrent]

You can build to take 2

[winged warren]

when you say "can build" do you mean the skill tree? or the actual weapon.
im talking under the context that you have a god rolled psword

[tall torrent]

Because you’re almost never going to be in a situation where you want to push atk them compared to using light atks

[tall torrent]

Yes with a godroll power sword, you need maniac on there alongside brutal momentum and maybe some +melee dmg talents to get that 1 hit breakpoint

It’s smth u need to build for and not every power sword can do that

[winged warren]

not every psword can do that as in, even if you build it properly?

[winged warren]

PA takes more time?

[tall torrent]

You need to roll maniac + brutal momentum + power cycler

That already means not every good power sword u roll can do that

[winged warren]

thats why i said god roll.

[tall torrent]

Godroll is maniac/carapace/unyielding + BM/sunder + power cycler 4

Carapace/unyielding as perks is also godroll

Because those give you different breakpoints

[winged warren]

unyielding is for bosses and bulwark/rager right?

[tall torrent]

If you have sunder you straight up just can’t hit mutant 1 shot I think

Unyielding is for bulwark 1 shot

Push atk

[winged warren]

lets say you have maniac&car + bm&pc4, what can't you one tap?

[tall torrent]

Needs +melee dmg talents as well

[winged warren]

i should ask it this way: in a meta build, what can't you one tap

because obviously no one will go out of their way to not take the good +melee dmg talents

[tall torrent]

Bulwark, reaper, ragers, shotgunners, gunners, crusher & mauler

Mutant 1 push atk to head can 1 shot but it’s still inconsistent

[winged warren]

i see, so you can't one tap shotgunners and gunners on meta build?

hmm.

i mean its a 2 hit im assuming.

[tall torrent]

You can with push atk

However you almost never want to push atk those guys

Because if you get into melee distance

You almost always have smth else next to it which push atk can’t hit

Shotgunner 1 shot is possible but needs big melee dmg investment

[winged warren]

wouldn't they get staggered byu the push anyway o.o
But yeah, i see.
THanks for replying. i do hope they nerf pgun or psword tho.

[frank ether]

are you gonna push attack each individual elite

that would be worse than just playing knife

in every possible way

[tall torrent]

Power sword push atk is very specifically single target

So no u don’t get to stagger multiple

It’s not a Rashad

[winged warren]

i was referring to the push itself, but plush has a point too so eh

[raw steppe]

I would pref unyielding over maniac

Cuz maniac pretty much only hits mutants and ragers

While unyielding hits the bulwark bp and is good against bosses

[tall torrent]

And, hilariously

Bulwark, reaper, ragers, shotgunners, gunners, mutants crusher & mauler

These are the same exact list of enemies that Rashad can’t 1 tap

Only difference is Rashad can’t 1 tap trapper

[raw steppe]

Generally you just shoot ragers

[frank ether]

I dont think it matters with how braindead rashad is

[winged warren]

rashad can one tap mutie?

[raw steppe]

And dodged mutants are very non threatening

[tall torrent]

No

[frank ether]

at least psword has to occasionally do something different every once in a while

rashad is just brain off switch

[winged warren]

also, doesn't rashad have (slightly?) worse cleave ?

[frank ether]

it has brutal momentum, it doesn't have any activation

[tall torrent]

BM cleaves 4 targets with first target dmg

[winged warren]

i assume pc4 also 4 cleave?

i can;t remember

if its +2

or 2

[tall torrent]

Power sword with BM cleaves 4 with first target

[winged warren]

ohh

[tall torrent]

Power sword activated has 12 cleave or smth

[winged warren]

🐭

[tall torrent]

But BM is the one that holds most of your dmg for u

[winged warren]

wait so in zombie only horde with psword, you don't activate?

[tall torrent]

You activate, always

Not-activated power sword is irrelevant

[winged warren]

so psword has 12 cleave, but only first 4 have first target.
realistically, how many zombies are dying in one hit?
e.g. if the activation does a lot of damage, even if 5th and 6th target doesn't have first target damage they might still die

[tall torrent]

Rashad has less cleave than power sword (same BM cleave 4 with first target dmg) but better stagger

[tall torrent]

Can’t tell because the standard combo is activate, swing twice

And that usually removes things in front of u

Same goes for Rashad just without the activate phase

[winged warren]

in game from what i see psword seems to have better horde clear, which was why i asked about the cleave

mayhbe i should have just asked about horde clear directly, sorry

[tall torrent]

Better clear is not rly the best way to put it because if you miss an activation block cancel window or you get hit after activation, u lose the power-up

Power sword gets to kill groups of ragers better because it doesn’t need BM to cleave enemies

But Rashad has an easier time staggering ragers and other elites

[winged warren]

i never really used rashad to stagger, it doesn't make sense for me

[tall torrent]

Rashad push atk staggers ragers out of their combos

[winged warren]

against ragerS, if you stagger yuou are going to get staggered yourself due to the PA having an active block sometime after, so if its legit 3 ragers you would get staggered. even if not, i tried in psk to duel 3 ragers as caxe zealot and it was really hard to do consistently

against gunners i don't do it because it makes aiming their heads harder/not possible

ragers have that stupid long lunge attack

[tall torrent]

dodge back, hold block, bait a thrust from rager, push atk, stagger

you have 5 dodges, use them

[junior needle]

Ragers attacks are technically undodgeable if they touch your hitbox, so you have to block

[tall torrent]

block & dodge back

dodge slide if u have to

[junior needle]

This is why it's generally better to shoot them

[tall torrent]

as veteran u have a lot of ways to fight ragers

grenades
gun

melee is kind of a last resort

[winged warren]

yeah one thing i love about kant is that it 2 shots ragers

im pretty sure the ttk is lower on a ciag but its just funny

[junior needle]

You'll need to use a mutie to test dps if you want to compare for a ciag

3122 maniac headshot dps having ass gun

[white minnow]

no respite L

[rare bough]

You can 2-shot a rager swarm with two light powered Mk VI Psword swings

headshots needed

plus brutal momentum

[winged warren]

🐭

[rare bough]

Yeah?

[tough tiger]

is there a way to not get grabbed by the chaos spawn when im using the dclaw?

[junior needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFEdhamh9BE

[tough tiger]

i can parry all the slashes but apparently not the grab

[junior needle]

Presumably the grabs are meant to go through blocks, so you'll have to dodge that one

[bitter turtle]

guess my psword isnt godrolled enough?

https://i.gyazo.com/6e64a83c71157de9d9c3f0433f0a639f.jpg

[junior needle]

It's pretty telegraphed

Dodging to the side works for me

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/76ad33e366e5b9179254e9fd80b977f3.png

[junior needle]

But I can't remember which side

[bitter turtle]

dont think u can oneshot 4

with 2 lights

that was push-> strikedown too

[tough tiger]

i always dodge back

[bitter turtle]

the horizontals would do even less dmg and harder to hit weakpoint

[junior needle]

If you're still getting hit dodging back then you know what not to do now

[tough tiger]

by dodging forward?

[bitter turtle]

dodge side

back works ok but you need space of course

side dodge to their grabbing arm is pretty reliable if u dont have back space

that way you iframe through the grab

[winged warren]

am rittte, psword is busted

[tough tiger]

that was a rhetorical question but thanks

[bitter turtle]

😔

i was just trying to help

[junior needle]

Yes, retreat is for cowards and punishable by death

[rare bough]

Rending + crit + brittleness?

[bitter turtle]

i have every melee dmg node on the tree

[tough tiger]

im telling the commissar to shoot anyone who pushes the burster instead of shooting it

[junior needle]

The adm's on charged hits should be at or near 100

[bitter turtle]

obv no crit though

saying u can only do it if you crit is iffy, psword doesnt exactly have a way to guarantee crit

[junior needle]

Just crit twice

[bitter turtle]

i think if u crit a single stab will work

[rare bough]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

if you can stab all 4 heads

which is also

not very likely

but it would work

if they were all stacked on top of each other

[rare bough]

I crit, like, all the time

[tough tiger]

real question time, is there a way to bypass the input lock thing when u press to many keys at once?

[bitter turtle]

are we really going to talk about anecdotal "but i crit all the time" when we know the objective crit rate of a psword

[rare bough]

I feel like ragers usually are

[tough tiger]

like when im ads with a gun and hold m2 to go into a block with my melee but my q press doesnt register

[bitter turtle]

they definitely dont stack in a way where u can stab an hit 4

since they usually have collision

and fan out

[rare bough]

Depends how seriously you want to take this conversation

[bitter turtle]

they only stack like in my screenshot cause psykarium spawning them on top of each other

if u turn off invisibility they immediately fan out

[rare bough]

I guess I usually fight in doorways

🤷‍♂️

[bitter turtle]

idk i just dont want someone to get the impression u should charge into a rager pack and kill them in 2 lights lul

[junior needle]

Do you guys not have 100% crit rate?

[rare bough]

Let them figure it out for themselves lol

not like they'll get hurt

[junior needle]

Must be casual hour

[bitter turtle]

psword on zealot when

[junior needle]

It's not a good idea to leave bad information lying around for gullible people to take at face value

[agile forge]

Lag eating your weapon swap is fun. I particularly like it not registering me swapping out my Psyker's staff when I am at 100 peril and trying to swing.

[junior needle]

Although I suppose you'd want to build the psword the same way anyway

[tough tiger]

SAME

[tough tiger]

I LOVE PERILS OF THE WARP I LOVE PERILS OF THE WARP

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/7dc83ab6ea5e0f03dd22af2c752e75ff.jpg

actual rager behavior when they see u

would probably be hard to hit all 4 in the head

i love the bottom ss btw

real

"ME AND THE BOYS" feel to it

[agile forge]

Skill issue

[agile forge]

They look like a fun group to party with

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/b9718298299e45469c4a3dd371836b41.jpg

[rare bough]

It's not bad information, you can do it. I didn't lie

Also, in battle, not in the training arena, enemies tend to have chipped health.

Believe in yourself and charge rager packs with melee

@junior needle literally scroll up. It's doable

[bitter turtle]

actually

its not even possible

even if u crit twice

BM psword only cleaves 3 rager

so if u crit twice

it would (probably) kill 3 and damage 4th

prob would need sunder to actually kill all 4

[junior needle]

You did say two lights

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/93cfca66407764eda7601899ea92508d.jpg

4th took no dmg

[junior needle]

Not a crit push attack

[bitter turtle]

ya

its just not possible with 2 lights

like

suppose i swung again

and crit again there

it would be 1800 dmg spread on all 4

the last one would live with 200 hp

[junior needle]

Another false claim successfully deboonked

[bitter turtle]

cause he took no dmg from first swing

assuming i hit all 4 in the head ofc

[rare bough]

For the Emperor and close quarters killzone active?

[bitter turtle]

CQKZ

so u dont take recip for this hypothetical?

[rare bough]

lol

[bitter turtle]

even less crit rate

[rare bough]

I didn

;t say that

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/c1e786c8628763ffdae310419fdc4f17.png

tell me what to dorp then

i took literally every possible crit rate and dmg boost

unless u drop weapon specialist

[rare bough]

hold on

im eating chiken

mu fingera are greasyu

[bitter turtle]

or we do something extra meme

like drop extra toughnesson shout

for that sweet cqkz

actually you should probably just take infiltrate then

https://i.gyazo.com/82199364e9372536852ee9bd781d40e1.png

for dmg boost

in all seriousness though

i am not going to stand around waiting for infiltrate cd to farm 2 crits in a row with an unreliable 4 in a row headshot

since their heads are rarely aligned

oh damn

nvm

if u do infiltrate

u dont need 2 lights

just 1 crit

[junior needle]

stonks

[bitter turtle]

i didnt capture it

but it happened

i promise

but u still lied

u said 2 lights

😔

[rare bough]

Alright man, I dunno, something wrong with your sword

maybe you not swinging it properly

I did say two POWERED lights

[bitter turtle]

i promise

if it was unpowered

it wouldnt even penetrate 1 rager

[rare bough]

lol yeah

[bitter turtle]

powered heavies though

https://i.gyazo.com/cea3c1c3d813ff4b00e01ed0283fd5ab.jpg

only 1 heavy

[rare bough]

I guess brutal momentum 4 is bugged, try brutal momentum 3

nah I take that back

you did a good job, cheers for debunking me

[bitter turtle]

i figured out the problem

https://i.gyazo.com/cc014c2d2fbba2039b9c4cc7b33a5326.jpg

u just use plasma instead

unironically though

the heavies

maybe 🤔

they better at hitting heads too

[rare bough]

The light attacks are perfectly horizontal to where you're aiming, personally I find it great for group headshots

The first two I mean, diagonal are meh

[bitter turtle]

at least for rager

im finding it way easier

to headshot all 4

with th eheavy

pretty reliably

at least on 1st swing

second not so much

https://i.gyazo.com/e52a9359f4fb9c961490d98e58e5a5ef.jpg

heavy attack stonks

[rough palm]

Never play with the plasma gun but I got something good (I think)

How do I make it better

Unyielding and Carapace?

[odd sparrow]

depends on if you hit 1 hit breakpoint against gunners and flamers already

[rough palm]

Is it worth it just to keep the blessings as is

So I can mess with the perks

[trim hemlock]

The blessings are best in slot, basically

[rough palm]

Based

[forest shard]

Depends on ur build.
Go test do you oneshot Gunners? If no, then Flak

Test Carapace - does it makes you kill crushers in 1 less shot? If no, then screw it

Unyielding always good coz Bosses

Don't do mutants unless it gives you oneshot ragers w/o crit (witch is HIGHLY unlikely, and even then I would say still not worth it)

[bitter turtle]

bosses is not that relevant for plasma

you really shouldnt be unloading plasma on boss

the damage is pretty mediocre

and u dont want to be caught reloading cause you magdumped boss when special/horde spawn with boss

[rough palm]

Yeah I tested and I don’t one shot flamers or gunners

[junior needle]

You shouldn't be unloading on bosses with most guns

Then you need maniac

[forest shard]

Why? U can reliably onload tonn of damage with headshot crit plasma.

[bitter turtle]

unless your melee is really bad at it (shovel) the melee can do it for free

[forest shard]

Just reloadtech

[bitter turtle]

reloadtech only cuts off a bit of time

its still very long reload

dmg wise it really isnt that impressive either

[forest shard]

Well, tos not Colomnus. But nothing is Colomnus expt Colomnus.

Plasma can decimate like half HP while goin 0-100 heat.

That's pretty good in my book. Like A-tier

[forest shard]

Like 30-40%

[rough palm]

I’ve seen some plasma users decimate bosses that would have otherwise been a long drawn out nuisance

[forest shard]

It usually doent give you any breakpoints with plaz

Maybe some with Muta, but really...

[junior needle]

As he already said here: #veteran-class message He's not getting flamers or gunners. That calls for elites and maniacs

Or a change in tree setup, depending

[forest shard]

Flamers? Tiz strange Oo

[junior needle]

If you aren't running ping, breakpoints are more particular

[forest shard]

But yeah, this guys need to go ASAP, to this break point is valuable

[forest shard]

Veap spec or ping - really hard choice, yup.

Like -30% of boss health in 1 click + damage buff for a whole party + pretty decent toughness reg...

But wep spec so nice tree and mobility.

Wish the third keystone was that good

About flamers/muta perk - don't forget about crits.

With blessing and 20% talent + base crit - they can be pretty reliable to kill flamers, so possible to seek other breakpoints

[junior needle]

You don't want to rely on crits for breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

lemme put it this way

https://i.gyazo.com/12f1972e8afe1b70dc10df86a04e8862.jpg

why would u spam plasma shots

when melee does same dmg for free

lol

1 attack from each

max blaze away stacks on plasma too

[junior needle]

What talent is giving you 20% crit on your plasma?

[bitter turtle]

that rashad doesnt even have

unyielding on it btw

the plasma does

[forest shard]

I mean you may wanna go for idk breakpoint on reaper/bulwark instead of flamer, if you break flamers with crit reliable enough.

Again weap spec is also pretty reliable crit.

Kinda choice

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/44d67b2f00040da7adad765abd3139ea.png

axe stats

[forest shard]

Right tree. From Dodge.

Not in game now(

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/e782dc36217ac2ae4d0fdca4939c9d40.jpg

[rough palm]

I’m just saying that I’ve seen some people do nasty shit with the plasma

[bitter turtle]

gun stats

literally did everything in favor of plasma

didnt even stack headtaker

well

plasma op

but not bc boss damage

just saying please dont shoot at the bosses unless u really have no choice

it doesnt do sick boss dmg

just "reasonable" at this point

[junior needle]

Reciprocity? It's very unreliable to stack from ranged attacks, generally not worth it to take for a ranged weapon exclusively.

[bitter turtle]

it used to be really bad actually lol they had to buff the boss dmg

[trim hemlock]

It does roughly the same damage to bosses as an axe swing to the head

And axe swings are “free”

[bitter turtle]

an unyielding plasma with full blaze away stacks is = to no unyielding axe w/ no headtaker stacks

while costing ammo

[junior needle]

Also it doesn't work on dodging gunner elites or reapers currently

[forest shard]

Oo idk but I put it near middle of my screen, tried and tiz pretty consistent.

Simply cos u do conterfire as vet

[bitter turtle]

this is really not a calculation in favor of plasma looking gud

[trim hemlock]

But muh boss killer power fantasy

[junior needle]

If can be consistent if you're getting shot at by a bunch of regular shooters at that time but

That's not exactly terribly common or something you want to happen often

[trim hemlock]

Tfw Ogryn as a character is technically an embodiment of a monster killer

[forest shard]

So?
Never said that plasma S tier boss killer as Rashad.
Still it is good enough, and sometimes u simply can't go melee for plenty of reasons

Not like plaz has really problem with ammo with survivalist.

So u really hold it

[bitter turtle]

rashad isnt even meant for boss killing only

if u actually wanted to compare to something specialized to do that

https://i.gyazo.com/49bab6dd99bdcd324cf9e4eb2dedffb7.jpg

1 swing

[forest shard]

It is actually one of the best coz overhead

[agile forge]

Melee is always a bit tricky on bosses imo.

[trim hemlock]

Is that Mk15 Evis pictured?

[bitter turtle]

no

mk4 chsword

[rough palm]

Cool I’ll just keep the plasma for flak and maniac then

[trim hemlock]

the texture threw me off

[bitter turtle]

yeah i mean

i said its ok at it

but i wouldnt build for boss dmg

shooting boss with plasma is a "i have no other option" option

not the first thing u rely on

[forest shard]

Well unyield is not boss only. But is welcome anyway

[bitter turtle]

and being stuck w/ no ammo bc you were gunning the boss is a real problem

tbh

i'd honestly rather just focus on clearing out elites incoming

than pointing it at the boss

[rough palm]

I still wonder how other veterans do so much damage to bosses with the damn thing

[bitter turtle]

a single boss w/ no horde or elites around it is prett ymuch a joke

[forest shard]

Well.

1. Charge
2. Crit
3. Red stim
4. Shout and red talents

[trim hemlock]

Is it really about the plasma, or were they complimenting it with something else?

Plasma vets often carry Krak grenades and I don’t know why lmao

[bitter turtle]

ppl really like krak

even if its not optimal

[forest shard]

Yup. I also don't know.
Just gun down that crusher)

[bitter turtle]

also i would put a few other high tier weapons above it for it

psword stabs do really

really dumb dmg

[rough palm]

I mean that’s my question I don’t really know

[bitter turtle]

rashad better if ur dueling but if you got free real estate on a weakspot then those stabs literally rip it apart

[trim hemlock]

I suppose it might be the same type of people that use Fat Boy PGL overclock in Deep Rock

[bitter turtle]

knife is high dmg too

[trim hemlock]

Chunky sound effect

Satisfying explosion

What else is there not to like

[bitter turtle]

personally

if u reall ywanted to shoot a boss

id just take colu

[forest shard]

Yup. Wanna switch to knife from psword.
Way too slow.
Without weap spec at least

[rough palm]

I’m bored of the Columnus though and thought I’d give another weapon a shot

This was my first roll of the plasma on this character

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/00e6236ebe24071f64127cea96781e72.jpg

1 clip

[trim hemlock]

IMO the biggest Vet contributors to boss damage are Columnus IAG, Krak grenades, and Power sword 6

[bitter turtle]

didnt even focus target

[rough palm]

Yeah psword is good fun

[trim hemlock]

And obviously Focus Target keystone, because everyone benefits from it immensely

[forest shard]

Yeah, but u really don't need that much boss DMG.

And dueling boss with psword is really hell

[dire olive]

Skill issue

[trim hemlock]

Duelling a boss with no aggro switch once in a while is painful in general

And yeah, you definitely don’t have to have a lot of boss damage

But killing a boss quickly relieves a lot of pressure from the team

[forest shard]

True. Still, sometimes u must do it solo.
Like when 2 bosses. And elites w horde

Or at least stall enough

Kinda cranky w psword.

Wanna try knife

[trim hemlock]

Amd even then… plenty of people run CIAG + PS6. Even if you don’t necessarily spec these for boss damage, you can have it - it’s free real estate - right at your fingertips

PS6 boss solo only really sucks v Chaos spawn

But then what doesn’t suck against Chaos spawn

(Hard mode: no clob Ogryn in squad)

[rough palm]

Man

[forest shard]

Naaah, only plas.
Don't wanna play colu on more than 2 characters (zeal and gunpsy)

[trim hemlock]

I don’t play CIAG on any of my characters

[forest shard]

Bored of it?)

[rough palm]

Everyone’s on Helldivers huh

[winged warren]

i actually prefer the first game, better balance.

[rough palm]

I love helldivers 1

I never had a negative interaction on that game lol

Can’t say the same for ducking darktide though

Most everyone that plays and has a mic is so miserable for some reason

[trim hemlock]

No, I just know it’s stupidly broken and I have a bias towards not using some of the stupifyingly broken things

[winged warren]

got repetitive after a while for me but it was fun
hd2 got repetitive after like 2 hours.
i feel hd2 got carried by the graphics (i.e explosions look very cool) and the general hype (which also carries the "omg look at this indie game beating AAA games!!!")

[forest shard]

The game is just like 20 days out. And they were kinda occupied.

The balance will come

[trim hemlock]

Also Columnus doesn’t really promote the playstyle I find rewarding

[winged warren]

mr rat what playstyle you find rewarding

[trim hemlock]

That’s on the first hand. Agri IAG on the other hand…

[winged warren]

why is agri iag different

[trim hemlock]

Fires slower, wants you to hit heads, doesn’t have 4-boolet Crit strings that are insane

Has respectable recoil

I suppose recoil is important

Columnus is just a “pull your crosshair down” type of gun

[bitter turtle]

graia has the best recoil

good balans

i stopped playing iags though

[trim hemlock]

Graia is also OK, although I have found sympathy in Agri IAG ever since the post-beta period and it’s a parasite that keeps on feeding me the Good endorphins

[forest shard]

Like, u like guns w high horizontal recoil?

[trim hemlock]

Horizontal recoil sucks

Vertical recoil is fantastic