veteran-class

[tall torrent]

And it still isn’t great fighting carapace

[frank ether]

I did do the MG4 brainrot playstyle with like exec and everything

I think it just works better on psyker maybe?

[serene bough]

there's nothin quite like taking a blue stim and spam firing your weapon into everything

[frank ether]

scrier doesnt care what you hit as far as maximizing uptime goes

[tall torrent]

Zealot is the only one that gets some use out of it and that build requires you to play it with like 92% melee crit chance lmao

Scourge 30%
Blazing piety 25%
Zealot 5%
Shred IV 20%
Tac axe crit bonus 12%

[serene bough]

in all seriousness, unless you try pushing breakpoints on the Mg1a then the two weapons hit very similar breakpoints

so i tend to prioritize fire rate & ammo efficiency

[tall torrent]

And some how some way that build still will deal less dmg against practically everything than a martyrdom + sustained assault (+57~65% melee dmg lmao) combat axe lunatic

[serene bough]

also true

[terse idol]

I mean the issue with the 12 is the damage disparity

[serene bough]

in my experience the thing i like the most about the MG4 is how long you can sustain a single magazine from shocktrooper and critical hits from HH

[terse idol]

You're 30-40 damage different

From the 12 to the ia

[serene bough]

2 weapons being MG4 and MG1a

[tall torrent]

70 shots continuously is just nice

[terse idol]

And they both build very similar if not the same

Oh

[tall torrent]

MG12 is just peak suffering rn

It’s statistically not bad but it feels so bad to play

[serene bough]

generally MG1a seems to 1-2 hit kill without something like exe or damage buffs and Mg4 takes 2-3, with MF you can push that to 1-2 hit kills

but the difference in break points is more than made up by the fire rate/mag size

[tall torrent]

MG4 is actually kinda nice with MF because of its higher ads move speed

But I think if ur gonna go MF, laspistol benefits more from their higher finesse

[serene bough]

mg4 imo is a hybrid between an ilas and laspistol

[tall torrent]

Kind of but it doesn’t really have the same accuracy or finesse power like a laspistol which is a shame

[serene bough]

yeah but again, compensated by the massive magazine size + shocktrooper

[frank ether]

if you're going for w+m1 deadshot goes out of the question anyway

I'd also consider exec to juice it further

[frank ether]

My MG12 solution is simple, give it surgical, increase stability

but maybe I'm just projecting as I want a longlas

[serene bough]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6a195f-4891-4c49-8aff-6dee24bb5d50/mg4-knife

i use this

[tall torrent]

Long-las and Hellgun are every veteran’s fantasy at this point

[frank ether]

I don't think I'll even enjoy it properly if it happens

[tall torrent]

As long as long-las works the same way I think it should (somewhere between HB3 and Plasma, high dmg, high stagger & good cleave, non-dogshit sight), I’ll prob enjoy it a lot

[frank ether]

Its probably gonna end up as a voc weapon

[tall torrent]

Every weapon is a VoC weapon

[frank ether]

past this helbore bayonet nerf I'm also probably gonna

move my helbore to voc

the cool thing about helbore was that you could bypass exec downside with it

[tall torrent]

U still kinda can, u just can’t murder hordes with it anymore

[serene bough]

i feel like exec stance needs a rework

[frank ether]

helbore 3 bayonet is like

worse than knife for clear

actually that makes it sound a lot better than it actually is

[tall torrent]

It feels pretty limiting to play rn

[serene bough]

prior to the class rework a lot of weapons required exec stance to be meaningful, but with so many buffs to weapons and overall player power most weapons dont need exec stance to be viable (which is a good thing)

[tall torrent]

On the one side it gives you a ton of bonuses that are really strong
On the other side the pathing nodes are bad, the uptime is team-dependent, and it has bad talent tax

[serene bough]

but now it feels like exec stance is an artefact of older patches

[tall torrent]

If only exe stance could mimic a fraction of scryer’s gaze’s power

[serene bough]

even if it could, it just has worse utilitly than infiltrate, and far worse utility and power than VoC

VoC is just too potent to pass up for 90% of combat situations, and infiltrate at least is a good package for repositioning, suprise attacks, and uninterrupted objective completions without too much talent tax

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate needs buffs more than exe stance

Infil’s pathing is horrendous

[frank ether]

It doesnt matter as much because you can just take infil as is and move on downwards

[tall torrent]

50% TDR for 10s and 30% dmg for 5s should be baked into the ability itself

[frank ether]

its not a very realistic scenario but

if you just go monke mode and blindly go down right path

you still end up with a build that is fairly mixed on gun/melee

and can do a lot

you do this with left path and you have some dumb ass exec/mf build that does fuck all without weakspot hits

I'm sorry

[tall torrent]

Partially true
But bottom left & middle are just loaded with more useful nodes for most weapons, and the best aura & grenade are both left side

[frank ether]

ranged weakspot hits

I have to be specific

can't have you daring to weapon swap

in this 50/50 mixed combat game

you either shoot your gun or you have like no talents aside from precision strikes and a few middle path utility nodes

[tall torrent]

Now, if skirmisher was better, I’d say infil builds won’t need to rely on left tree nearly as much

But skirmisher sucks balls

[frank ether]

no, they are loaded with nodes useful for both melee and weapons

there is the key difference

[tall torrent]

Yea

[frank ether]

left path is only ranged and mostly only ranged finesse really

[tall torrent]

Eh idk
Precision strikes + elite dmg benefits melee quite a lot

[frank ether]

very minor

[tall torrent]

Which weapon is it minor for

[frank ether]

precision on its own isnt going to juice a melee build

most people playing ranged vet interact with melee game in terrible ways

[tall torrent]

Precision + 10% melee dmg will
And that’s usually a lower point cost than grabbing desperado

[frank ether]

either abusing power sword or just knifing away from melee with combat knife

[tall torrent]

I play Rashad

[white minnow]

it's not like you have total gamechangers for melee on the branches
Like you can still melee with the left branch

[frank ether]

how are you fitting %10 melee dmg without fucking up your build elsewhere for left path

maybe dropping iron will?

[frank ether]

yeah

''left path''

voc

yedge

[tall torrent]

It’s just point save

[frank ether]

I mean this is a fine build but you're missing my point entirely

everyone does this

''left path sucks ass''
''no it doesn't''
shows some generic middle path build

like no offense but this has been my interaction with vet chat for months now

[lost portal]

Left path lets me oneshot crushers with a helllbore

[frank ether]

both the ult and keystone are very problematic and incredibly niche in what they do

[terse idol]

That's the issue

Offers nothing in terms of melee survivability and I'm certain exe wasn't changed much prior to the rework wo it's working off old rules

instantly lose exe when you swap melee

[tall torrent]

I think ur misunderstanding my point

I said left & middle are loaded with more useful things and that’s why I take primarily left & middle

I basically don’t consider right tree unless I’m purposefully playing a funny build

[terse idol]

5 seconds ONLY

[tall torrent]

I don’t take exe stance not because I think it’s bad, it’s because I don’t like either of the 2 nodes in front of it and I’m not willing to spend points for them

Killzone has no consistency once ur forced into melee, and opening salvo is a meme for most weapons

[tiny summit]

Well depends on what we consider as "mainline left path". Half of left path people like for frags, survivalist and the stuff between Exe and MF

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say it

[serene bough]

My observation is most vet trees dip left in the beginning for shredder + survivalist, then go middle for VoC, and then lean heavily middle or right for Ping Keystone or Weapon Spec Keystone and maybe sprinkle in some left side perks

[terse idol]

But if you take VOC

[tall torrent]

If Killzone worked like +15% ranged dmg to enemies >8m I’d take that node in a heartbeat

[terse idol]

Its not longer left path

[tall torrent]

Hell even if it’s +10% ranged dmg to enemies >8m I’d still take that 99% the time

[terse idol]

Well because krak sucks

😌

Survivalist is OP

So really it's the illusion of choice

[serene bough]

kraks arent bad per se

its just shredders to better against everything that isnt cara

[tall torrent]

It’s the most useful pathing all around

Now if there’s another veteran who’s using survivalist already, u can afford taking other auras

[serene bough]

take kraks for crushers and maybe maulers, or delete everything sans crushers with 2 shredders

[tall torrent]

I tried smoke + tinkerer + fire team and it’s actually good

[serene bough]

oh yeah i forgot vape god vet is currently a thing

maximum smonk

[tall torrent]

It’s just that when 6 crushers roll up on you, your smokes become useless

[coral bloom]

And when surrounded by gunners your krak becomes useless

Love these gamer takes where its always X 100% good Y 100% bad

[tall torrent]

Pretty much

Smokes are more useful more often though

And smoke has kinda better pathing than krak because u get to 10% melee dmg all the time if u take smoke

[tiny summit]

15-30s of invalidating all range enemies is pretty cool

[frank ether]

sometimes you make a gun build and it just sucks vs carapace

and krak it is

mg1a moment

[tall torrent]

Also makes flamers, trappers, hounds & mutants dumber if they walk into smoke trying to find u

[serene bough]

to be fair if you're gonna take shredders or smokes you gotta build something to compensate with cara

[frank ether]

oh yeah I forgor

smoke buffs

gotta try that

[tiny summit]

But also tinkerer under krak feels like a troll placement when it already kills a crusher

[tall torrent]

It’s very funny

[serene bough]

so smokes not dealing with cara isnt the end of the world

[frank ether]

I don't want to say this

[tall torrent]

But it’s really not a normal fps game smoke

[frank ether]

because its wrong

and it shouldnt be a thing

but it is

complaining works

we bitched and moaned about smokes for long enough for fatshark to get tired of it

[tall torrent]

In most fps games u throw smokes to block lines of sight

[tiny summit]

Complaining works*

[frank ether]

you know what this calls for

cs:go loadout

[tiny summit]

*sometimes

[frank ether]

I'm making it

[tall torrent]

In darktide smoke is like a ninja smoke bomb where u want to drop at ur own feet 99% the time

[serene bough]

the line between complaining and criticism is kind of vague at times

to be fair

[tiny summit]

We bitched and moaned about crafting and it still exists in its current state

[frank ether]

agri brr, combat knife, smoke nades, marksman focus and crouch walk node

I'll become the quickplay nightmare

[serene bough]

it's hard to tell how much our complaints actually matter vs internally data suggesting they make these changes

[tiny summit]

Exe, MF, recons will stay black sheep

[serene bough]

i.e. how often people pick smokes vs kraks/shredders

and then there's recon

forever garbage

[tall torrent]

Don’t forget to take demo team + tinkerer for maximum vape

[tiny summit]

Also the data between damn vs other difficulties

[frank ether]

if I have spare points

its essential that I fit in exec/mf

[tall torrent]

Embrace the funny

If you don’t know what you’re doing, neither does your enemy

And smokes actually enable that rn

[tiny summit]

No survivalist into Exe

[frank ether]

that might be too much trolling

[tall torrent]

There’s never too much trolling

[frank ether]

''hi hello team I spent 22 points into left tree and didn't bring ammo aura''

[frank ether]

oh my god

absolutely blursed

my poor eyeballs

mf with zero nodes

fgdkfvbıfgs

this is it

this is the build

[tiny summit]

Hey man it was the mf nodes or demo team. Feel free to change

[frank ether]

no change needed

this is the perfect loadout

[tiny summit]

[frank ether]

this is not what my quickplay team needs but its what they deserve

[tiny summit]

Auric or normal?

[frank ether]

auric

[tall torrent]

U could prob try this

Actually swap 10% TDR to vanguard

[tiny summit]

Looks like you're at least kinda trying

[tall torrent]

Because u gotta go fast with combat knife

And to go fast u need stamina

[frank ether]

I'll try your builds, one at a time

[terse idol]

Krak is the worst grenade rn

Frfr

[tiny summit]

4 krak vets vs a monstrosity is funny though

[terse idol]

Ph for sure

[wanton dawn]

I still wont ever take smoke me think

Cuz i will prob never take the speed aura or infiltrate so krak save me point

Well, unless melee build ig

[frank ether]

this build hard carried

rather tame auric though

[frank ether]

now I gotta try this one

[tall torrent]

[frank ether]

I used graia brr for the first game

feel like for deadshot probably smarter to go agri

[visual island]

So I'm playing vet trying to get lvl 30 on all characters and I'm struggling so much I feel incredibly like a glass cannon I can deal decent damage at range but as soon as I get hit by any enemy I feel like it's just down hill from there. Does it get better later on or is this just the duality of vet players?

[granite sand]

It gets better

There’s a survival guide

Wait one

[terse idol]

Uh

vet early is a pain

But once you get Voice of command things can get easier

[granite sand]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S6fRBvHazuv9qM-jOTU4lXZCxcarcoGWfV_vmSOfK0I/mobilebasic#heading=h.v0xc5dslvla0

[terse idol]

yeess, you are built like a glass cannon doe

[visual island]

Is voc the only way to go?

[granite sand]

In my opinion it’s the best for high levels

Unless you’re a stealth boi

[visual island]

I've been enjoying the base skill and was looking at volleyball fire

[granite sand]

^ this has a volleyball fire build lol

Run it with plasma and you’ll melt stuff

I like the devils blade because I’m a rager magnet but melee weapons are usually preference for vet

[tall torrent]

There’re 2 kinds of veteran players in the highest difficulties:

1. Thy craft be death. Murder everything in your path with minimal effort, barely taking any damage in both melee & ranged.

2. Some random schmuck with a gun. Will go down as often as Ogryns blocking your shots. Will most likely die at least once.

There’s no in-between

[visual island]

I've been going down quite often

[toxic leaf]

allow me to show oyu number 2

in maelstrom

died 4 separate times, never even alive enough to benefit from ammo aura

player quality is going down

i hate confirmation bias but ive notcied recently, whenver there's someone that's that much of a laggard, their name pops up as an xbox gamertag on the failure screen

[runic grove]

would u believe me if i tell you that the plasma gun is better than a rumbler that has 300% attack speed and infinite ammo

[visual island]

I typically play a mean zealot I've been struggling on vet for awhile now

[frank ether]

this is a funny build but 140 toughness is rough lmao

I am bringing the bad teammate modifier to life

[visual island]

I'm also on xbox

[toxic leaf]

nothign wrong with that, im saying it s confirmatoin bias lol

[tiny summit]

"Smokes Exe MF w/o Surv is secretly BUSTED!!!😂"

[frank ether]

I'll psyops this build till it becomes the reddit meta

''secret vet cabal hides the truth''

[bitter turtle]

I wish smoke popped instantly still

[tiny summit]

VoC isn't the only way to go, but VoC allows poor positioning and face rolling through a match. It's just that Exe and Infil are lacking in a horde push through style design

[bitter turtle]

If it would get one more buff 😔

[tiny summit]

I'll do this build too and upload them

[frank ether]

I'm ok with the delay

[bitter turtle]

Infil is very strong

[tall torrent]

Anyone wanna add anything here

[bitter turtle]

Imo it's stronger than voc for pug carrying

[tiny summit]

What did you do? Agri brauto and combat knife?

[bitter turtle]

The main problem is talent point tax

[toxic leaf]

i just played with an infil smoke vet in that maelstrom i failed and he was great

[frank ether]

I would personally say onslaught is very situational since its applicable for like uh, 2 or 3 guns

[bitter turtle]

Infil is rly good honestly

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s why I have “situational” rating for it

[frank ether]

yeah, thats fair

[bitter turtle]

Ever since I started playing mostly infil I can carry the last stand in hab dreyko even if ppl are dying

[tiny summit]

It is, especially on maps with certain objectives

[frank ether]

feel like it should be stated that even on weapons with high firerate its not that amazing

[bitter turtle]

Easy to do all the scans when invisible

And then pick ppl up

[frank ether]

like yeah good job you can magdump a ciag to kill a crusher now

you know

its not even that impressive

even in the ideal use case

[tall torrent]

I think saying “it’s only ever relevant for crushers when using super high firerate weapons if you have ammo to spare” is good enough in getting the point across

[frank ether]

yeah

thats good enough

I think the writing can use a clean up to be shorter but otherwise I like where you're going with this

[bitter turtle]

By that logic thougu

[tiny summit]

Vet Survival Guide?

[bitter turtle]

Isn't exploit pretty situational too

[tall torrent]

I made the format so that different talents are linked in the charts

[bitter turtle]

I almost never take it personally

[frank ether]

formatting could help yes

[bitter turtle]

There's very few weapons that get enough crit rate but also don't do enough dmg to make it relevant I think

[frank ether]

the shorter paragraphs the better

[frank ether]

yeah, hella situational

even on weapons where you need brittle

like think of d.claw

its still not gonna salvage its garbage carapace damage

your melee is either good at carapace or not, brittle doesnt rly salvage it

[bitter turtle]

Honestly

[tall torrent]

I made it look like this to mimic the talent tree placements

[bitter turtle]

If you had to label one decent one situational

[tall torrent]

Yes, but it’s a little less situational than onslaught because it actually works with more than 1 weapon

[bitter turtle]

I'd put onslaught as more reliable

[bitter turtle]

Idk I have almost never taken exploit personally

[tall torrent]

Exploit helps alleviate DC swords’ horrendous flak dmg

[bitter turtle]

It never seems worth

[frank ether]

I like that, tough job doing this for vet given just how damn many complicated talents we have lmao

I'd still peg down exploit weakness to situational

[tall torrent]

Alr

I’m changing “situational” to “niche” to make it look nicer

[frank ether]

from the top of my head all the melee weapons I use for carapace killing either suck at crits or already come with really strong carapace modifiers / uncanny 4

[bitter turtle]

I don't use dclaw so that might be why I never took exploit but

Every other melee I tried definitely doesn't care for it

[frank ether]

thats the issue though

[bitter turtle]

And I've tried most others

[frank ether]

it sucks on claw too

you're never gonna take exploit on dclaw and think ''I'll fight crushers with this''

cause its just really bad regardless, try it out if you want, its yuck

I think if exploit proc condition was different I'd think differently about it

[bitter turtle]

Shovel dont care, caxes don't care, pswords don't care, knives funnily enough don't care even though you'd think it'd b the best on them, chainswords don't care

Maybe on tacaxes

Out of everything I play

[frank ether]

knives get silly rending from uncanny and carry that over to any target anyhow

same with shovels

[tall torrent]

It’s not for carapace, it’s for flak

[frank ether]

its still ass though

[tall torrent]

DC loses like almost 70% of its dmg when cleaving through 1 flak enemy

That’s crazy

[frank ether]

like fighhing mauler and hitting their horso

torso*

[tall torrent]

It’s not for maulers either

[frank ether]

its still so meh

that I just much prefer gunning them down

what else then, like gunners?

[tall torrent]

It’s so u don’t get stuck fighting bruisers for 2 years because for first one you hit for 300 and second one you hit for like 70

[frank ether]

I thought bruisers were unarmed

unarmored

am I drunk

[bitter turtle]

Unarmroed head armored body for scab

Unarmored body armored head for dreg

They reverse

[frank ether]

I mean you just do a combo and it has amazing head prioritization

like H1+L1 for DC7

and it will pretty much only hit heads

[tall torrent]

Yes and it hits the second bruiser for miserable dmg

[bitter turtle]

Well the dreg version has flak heads at least

Tbh on the subject of claws

What do they even excel at

I found them underwhelming

Tbh

[frank ether]

parry

[bitter turtle]

Besides parrying rager

[frank ether]

thats mostly it

its also easy cleave

effortless combo

[bitter turtle]

Ya the 4 has l1 h1 for sweeps which was ok

But I still found the dmg underwhleming

I tried it in one game since I found a nice one on melk and my gun did so much more dmg at the end score I just dropped it

[agile forge]

They're meant to be good anti-unarmoured

[bitter turtle]

I also wished I could parry mutant lmao

Since slashing them with heavies seemed the best way to kill

But still felt slow compared to other wep

[frank ether]

I guess sorta the problem with mutie on d.claw is

you want weakspot hit

but its hard with the fatso

this is somewhat less of a problem with voc I guess

stun and easy stab to the face

[tiny summit]

I want to start the farm for the god roll rashad

[frank ether]

don't

I've been there

this is how you hate fatshark

[tiny summit]

So either I get it or it's breaks my chains from this game

[frank ether]

I was pondering about this for a while and I think its ok for weapons to not all be rashad/psword tier

feel like in that context maybe d.claw is perfectly fine

[bitter turtle]

That's fair but I felt underwhelmed compared to shovel

Which I use as a baseline as fair

[frank ether]

standard shovel or the fold ones?

[bitter turtle]

Foldies

I think they're really well balanced

[frank ether]

I mean foldies arent as good at cleave for me

I know some people build them for cleave

but I'd still rather use something with horizontals

[bitter turtle]

The 6 got horizontal no?

[frank ether]

oh yeah, 6 does

[tall torrent]

There’s no mk6 shovel

[bitter turtle]

Same moveset as basic

Uhh the one that isn't 3 I forgot the number then

[tall torrent]

Mk7

[bitter turtle]

1 off 😔

[tiny summit]

Ogryns with a full guidebook and vets can't count smh

[tall torrent]

Gonna finish ranting on how dogshit skirmisher is on the document then I can start ranting about keystones and how they’re actually meant to be used

[junior needle]

I already hate fatshark and won't give them a penny more, this is just further motivation for what I already know to be the morally correct action

[tiny summit]

Skirmisher is like great value momentum?

[bitter turtle]

I wanted to put skirmisher on bayonet since ur always sprinting with charged attacks

[frank ether]

I love the irony of ogryn mains being intellectuals and vet chat having confused screams for a year straight

[bitter turtle]

But it suggs

Like idk if it's stilla problem

But when I tried it

[frank ether]

tbh I don't know how you can buff claws without making them over the top

[bitter turtle]

It's unreliable with the sped up sprint on knife and shit like that

[tall torrent]

Sry abt light mode

[frank ether]

but I have a bit of an idea

personally it kinda involves rework to the block mechanic entirely

and not even my own idea to begin with

[tall torrent]

Start by making the flak cleave dmg non-dogshit

Move it from 30% to 50% at the very very least

[bitter turtle]

I honestly think they're not even impressive on hordes so you could bump that up

[frank ether]

but basically I want every melee to be able to ''parry'' to some degree if you time it just right. No I don't want to time a block and one shot things, I just want openings, to stagger enemies

[bitter turtle]

Like idk I didn't feel like I was mincing things besides poxwalkers

But everything minces poxwalkers

[frank ether]

I mean you can just parry spam your way to victory vs ragers and monstros right now

again I think the problem is less about d.claw and more with how little block is used in darktide

almost always bashing is superior to blocking for the stamina you use

or just dodging out of the way

and then counter hitting

[bitter turtle]

Tbh as a defensive weapon even I find it weaker than mk4 chsword

Mostly cause it can't handle armor

I rly like the chsword after i started looking at it as a defensive melee

[tiny summit]

It'd at least give more value to blocking

[frank ether]

so if I was doing things parry could be an integral part of well timed melee blocking and d.claw would have the unique ability of also doing fucktons of damage on successful parries

[tall torrent]

You after discovering Bloodletter IV with CS4:

[bitter turtle]

Basically ya lol

[tiny summit]

I barely see the stat above like 5

[bitter turtle]

It fixed the wep for me

[frank ether]

thats weird

I find d.claw to be superior to chsword

[bitter turtle]

Being able to Rev maulers and reposition while they die in 2 or 3 ticks is really nice as a defensive weapon

Same with rager and mutant

[frank ether]

you can only really complete a rev vs packs if someone else takes aggro for you or you stun them for an initial rev

[bitter turtle]

On d claw I'm going to get tied up in melee vs mauler and mutants take forever to kill

That's why I say defensive melee

[tiny summit]

No more wifi rev attacks on bosses when their shield bursts sadge

[bitter turtle]

I run it with v7

[frank ether]

like what do you to on your own with the rev? not much

[bitter turtle]

I'm already hanging back

Like I'll agree that chsword is bad if u try to push in

[frank ether]

d.claw works better if I have to rely on myself to survive

[bitter turtle]

That's the epiphany I had

[frank ether]

but this is more of a

chsword problem

rev is just bad design

[bitter turtle]

Well that's not quite what I meant by defensive

I agree d claw is better for solo survival

But I meant a weapon on builds I don't want to push in on hordes and just want to quickly dispatch elites coming at me so I can go back to shooting

Dclaw took way too long to kill mutants and shit for me to like it as a defensive tool in that sense

While csword with bloodletting was nice to just Rev and forget one-shot everything except crusher

And heavy spam is OK as a gtfo me for trash

Not great but ok

Like if a mutants runs at me I just need to light Rev it once and I can go back to shooting w/o looking at it even

[timid otter]

It might be easier to just ask kuli for permission to copy the things in hes veteran talent list.

Less writing.

[bitter turtle]

I used to use folding shovel on my v7 build this way but folding shovel was rly bad vs bulwarks and maulers were kinda slow too

So chsword was a big step up for both of those being able to one-shot both

[tall torrent]

I didn’t copy everything word for word, and I will ask for permission if I plan on uploading it somewhere

Idk what his @ is tho

[timid otter]

Ok ill find him.

[tall torrent]

The document I made has a lot of my personal opinions in there

[timid otter]

hes name in the discord is straight up kuli

Greenish/black background.

Ill speak with him directly in VC

hes in the modder discord for vermintide

Ye he says its fine

[tall torrent]

Alr

[frank ether]

I just use my guns for that

I like that rev one shots bulwark though

[umbral garnet]

DID SOMEONE MENTION A SHOVEL

I AM A KRIEG AND I'M DIGGING A SKULL

DIGGY DIGGY SKULL

Sorry.

[frank basin]

No shovel today

[umbral garnet]

:(

[frank basin]

Just the chainaxe today

https://tenor.com/view/mauzymice-cat-gif-27571557

[umbral garnet]

Chax

[blissful flame]

how cursed is my revolver customization?

[frank ether]

thats actually kinda cool

[frank basin]

Pipe revolver

[frank ether]

if it had like a handguard at the front too it would be perfect

[solar ivy]

W

[blissful flame]

it doesn't have an option for a foregrip like some other guns do

[frank ether]

revolver rifle would be neat

[blissful flame]

there is, however, a reason why there werent' a lot of revolver rifles back in the day

black powder revovlers especially

blck powder revolvers ran the risk of multiple chambers going off at once, called "chainfire"

on a revolver pistol, you'd probably hurt your wrist, and possibly miss your target

on a rifle though, you got your other hand on the grip in front of the cylinder. If that rifle chainfired....

that said, a revovler rifle prone to chainfiring the guardsman's hand off isn't that far off from unstable plasma weaponry, so it'd fit right into the 40k universe

[elder fiber]

Or the mechanicus cancer rifles

[blissful flame]

havne't heard of those before, but sounds about right

[frank ether]

I was about to say it sounds grimdank enough

[elder fiber]

They give radiation rifles to skitarii which inevitably kill them lol

[frank ether]

wow thats mean

[blissful flame]

honestly i've just been playing around with this, even though i haven't finished crafting it, and is probably gonna brick

[frank ether]

but also grimdank

[blissful flame]

even as it is, i got my vet into a build that is already almost 100% crit rate

and is 1shotting a lot of elites and specialists on damnation

now i finally know why some people like this thing

[frank ether]

some?

revolver is like

the most common weapon I see across human classes

alongside columnus infantry autogun

its really good

[blissful flame]

fair, i'm still easing into damnation misions

[frank ether]

surgical tier 1 is unfortunate but reload speed aint that terrible for a revolver

thats a great roll modifiers wise

almost perfect

[blissful flame]

yeah, with a better surgical roll, i'm sure i'd hit 100% crit rate for sure

[frank ether]

it would save you a lot of time which is important

[blissful flame]

what would another good blessing be? Surgical renders crucian rulette pretty moot

[frank ether]

you can hit guaranteed crits pretty consistently with weapon specialist or deadshot

or maybe even both

[frank ether]

hmm uncanny is a popular one

[blissful flame]

yeah i'm already there, crits are almost guaranteed with my current build

[frank ether]

I guess I've seen people also use crucian roulette

as a crit alternative to surgical, or together

[blissful flame]

if i were building one for my zealot, i'd probably use both together

[crude fiber]

hand cannon

[blissful flame]

that's what i was about to muse on, prime

[frank ether]

correction on this, its called hand-cannon for revolver

the rending blessing

[blissful flame]

if i'm getting crits, hand canon would indeed make finishing off anything else easy

and i've got a tier 3 of handcannon already banked

[frank ether]

yeah, you'll want that for second slot

[blissful flame]

okay yeah gonna swap speedload for hand canon

[frank ether]

yeah

I mean I don't hate speedload but

I'd probably want the damage blessings

[blissful flame]

oh shit i can 2shot a crusher

[acoustic sapphire]

https://youtu.be/9R9PkBpWtAo

[blissful flame]

one last refinement to it's look. turns out a muzzle attachemtn becomes a barrel shroud lol

[raw steppe]

You couldve recrafted surgical

Before upgrading

So you'd have a better chance to hit something good

[blissful flame]

don't have one banked

[raw steppe]

You recraft surgical to anything

Thats not surgical or hc

And then you slam the last blessing on

And it wont roll the one you crafted, and has a chance to roll surg or hc

[austere pine]

i think the most attractive a human can be is by playing a bolter cutthroat female

nothing beats that

[umbral scaffold]

What the fuck is that monstrosity

[blissful flame]

awful isnt' it?

https://tenor.com/bkUQL.gif

[bitter turtle]

does ads tighten the spread of kant's fire shells

[tall torrent]

Yes
And burn stacks are applied based on #pellets hit (minimum #pellets hit is increased from ADS)

[bitter turtle]

man

so deadshot flechette is meme

unless they're literally standing in a row

[tall torrent]

I finished all talents except keystones

[hollow ibex]

what are you writing?

[bitter turtle]

looks like a talent guide

[hollow ibex]

that'll be nice

[tall torrent]

Peak cinema

[bitter turtle]

not that it really matters since you cant even choose not to take it

but would you really call full yloaded strong

i dont think there's any build that takes it for itself alone

either you're aiming for super complex anyway and take it, or you arent and you dont take it

[hollow ibex]

this'll be helpful

[tall torrent]

Yes (especially if you’re running non-survivalist builds)

[bitter turtle]

hm

idk

i feel like if i didnt have to take it i wouldnt on most of my guns

@ guns that use superiority complex i mean

like if i could skip it and save the pt

[timid otter]

Way to many weapons in the game are relitant on superitority complex for BPS

[bitter turtle]

i guess it doesnt really matter anyway, though, if you're going down the tree ur forced anyway

[timid otter]

Its a strong talent.

[bitter turtle]

ya of course @ superiority complex

I was talking about fully loaded

25% ammo

[timid otter]

ah yes that one is ok.

[tall torrent]

Even for guns with positive ammo econ, fully loaded is nice because you’re going to take shots at shooters (which won’t give u survivalist returns)

[bitter turtle]

i guess

idk

i just dont even have ammo problems on my non-surv builds

like v3/rashad wep specialist

ive never like said

"oh yeah i want fully loaded even without super complex"

to myself at least

[tall torrent]

I can drop it from strong to good if u want

[bitter turtle]

idk i was just asking really

i dont think it really matters

[tall torrent]

It’s just S tier vs A tier difference kinda

[bitter turtle]

you have to take it anyway regardless

even if it was absolute dogshit you'd still have to take it

just was wondering bc

from my pov

ive never taken the talent standalone

if that makes sense

[tall torrent]

That’s fair

[bitter turtle]

as in like

https://i.gyazo.com/0306d036ae736e99f1ab618e5bcbf554.png

this is just not something i've ever seen

[tall torrent]

I can drop it to “good” rating

[bitter turtle]

and if it was strong by itself, surely that would be a thing on builds that just can't quite make it to superiority

[civic knot]

Is shredder pistol good or funny?

[tall torrent]

Left tree is pretty much
U either stop at precision strikes or what the whole package

[tall torrent]

Latter

[bitter turtle]

no

[civic knot]

k

[bitter turtle]

pretty much anything you can do with it, you can probably do with a brauto or iag better

[slow spade]

shredder pistol vet should return UwU

[tall torrent]

I will say however if you play shredder autopistol on zealot and slurp up 50% of the ammo on the map I’m likely gonna say some no-no words in chat

[bitter turtle]

i think

what shredder pistol needs

is like a built in run n' gun blessing

can hipfire while sprinting

idk it just like does not stand out vs brauto

its like the same gun

like even if i twas gud i'd say they're basically the same weapon class with arbitrarily different blessing pools

[slow spade]

I think the blessings Pinning Fire and Blaze Away need to be buffed again

maybe something like 20% per stack and 10% per stack respectively

[tall torrent]

I think it should first of all have instant sprint to fire

Why does shredder autopistol (& all of the braced autoguns) have sprint to fire delay when Columnus mk5 has instant sprint to fire

[bitter turtle]

also you should sprint faster when you have the autopistol out

it will be the knife of guns

:^)

[timid otter]

The laspistol of melee weapons

[bitter turtle]

laspistol needs aiming

it doesnt fulfill that fantasy of

running in like a dumbass and spraying everywhere

unironically

that's the directoin id take it

if i was an obese fish

but im not

😔

[bleak tendon]

how do i use the new power sword activation?

[bitter turtle]

you dont

activations just dont continue your attack chain

so i nthe past

if you did l1 l2 charge

you'd go back to l1 l2

now if you do l1 l2 charge

you go to l3 l4

if anything its a bit of a nerf btw

for ps6 at least

very very very small nerf but

[blissful flame]

running low on melk bucks, but i'm wondering if he's offering an upgrade to my loose canon's plasmagun

i can upgrade gets hot to t4, but that's if the perks aren't too bad

I expect I'd want to dump charge speed though, cause it'd make a relatively small difference to a feature I wouldn't be making a lot of use of

[gusty bison]

Its not cos u wanna block cancel Ps6 charge up anyway

So nothing changed

[gusty bison]

Raking fire go brrrrr

:P

Theres one build that works with shredder but thats it though

And it relies entirely on the fact shredder gets RF and brauto doesny

[bitter turtle]

was block cancel and waiting actually any faster than just charge l1l2l3

since you dont wanna push attack on hordes

[bitter turtle]

iag have raking fire too

[late hatch]

uh unless im having some memory issues, laspistols are not immune to suppression.

[late hatch]

use push attack for headshot on big bois, use block just to cancel anim and then release it and start swinging

[tall torrent]

Last I played with it, I could shoot gunners accurately while getting shot at

Can u check if possible

[late hatch]

as soon as i finish eating ill boot it up

[tall torrent]

Thx

[gusty bison]

Ye cos it speeds up the delay before you can L1 after special

[bleak tendon]

oh, i kinda thought it meant mid chain we do a charged attack...

now im kinda bummed out

[serene bough]

Vet guide when

[tall torrent]

am working on it

[serene bough]

Are you doing just the tree

Or will you include weapons

[tall torrent]

just tree for now

weapons are whole lot of mixed bag

[serene bough]

I see

[torn inlet]

neither of them are all that amazing tbh

They’re good.

Just not amazing

Neither have max rank perks or blessings

[blissful flame]

I assume an amazing one would be like, 380, only dumping charge speed, gets hot 4, glory hunter(?) 4 and carapace/unyielding?

[torn inlet]

Presumably if you already own the one on the right, the one on the left is basically a side grade

[torn inlet]

Honestly everything that isn’t damage and stopping power is a dump stat

Ammo is nice to have

Thermal resist doesn’t really affect you much either

Any combination of 2/4 max rank perk/blessing, since you can fill then other two slots

would be amazing

I would hypothetically take an 80 damage 80 stopping power 1 everything else Gray, but that’s impossible with a minimum of 300 at max level ilevel base stats

[blissful flame]

good to know. I'm expecting to rely on plasma a lot as i get more into damnation missions

[torn inlet]

its more likely to just be average stats on everything else

pg is stupidly good even as a gray but obviously everyone can bless it to gold then stamp 2 thinngs of their choice

personally i prefer blaze away and gets hot, but there is some user personal preference here

Glory hunter is also great

I have about a dozen good/ gold PG’s of different combinations

[blissful flame]

I sitl think i have room to improve my defense, so I'm still taking rather tanky builds. Anything to keep my toughness up is a plus in my book

i need to get more used to damnation's chaos

[torn inlet]

its is unnecessary tbh unless you have zero veteran talent tree points spent imo

executioners are going to kill too fast and refill with confirmed kill, shout vets are going to refill with overcharged , inf vets are stealthy

confirmed kill is so good

agile / melee vets swap weapons rapidly

which pg is good for that

[tall torrent]

because nobody rly agrees with each other enough on weapons besides the top 3 lol

[serene bough]

I guess the individual weapon tends to be less important than the overall role you're trying to fill

Some weapons are better than others but most are viable

[toxic leaf]

just dont try to fill infiltrate vet role unless you're really good at the game

[junior needle]

And the bottom 2

[toxic leaf]

what are the bottom 2, i havent thought about that

[junior needle]

Autopistol and recons

[toxic leaf]

auto pistol eh

just failed a hab dreyko that was going great, failed in all of 3 seconds

love that map

only map that is a cake walk until the very end when the director decides if you just wasted 25~ minutes or so

[winter grove]

Good day peeps, wanted to know y'alls opinion on laspistols on vet. So far I've had successes with heavier variant on heresy

[tall torrent]

Hab dreyko is just

[toxic leaf]

sometimes the last stand is really easy, sometimes the director spawns multiple trappers, bombers, and snipers all at once to go with charging ragers

and you just gotta say fuck you

[gusty bison]

One of the best guns outside of the OP trio

The accatran is better than the kantrael but both serve well

[winter grove]

The OP trio?

[junior needle]

revolver

ciag

plasma

[gusty bison]

Id recommend against relying on plasma to do a higher difficulty tbh. It teaches bad habits.

Which will hurt u in the long run

[winter grove]

Columnus ye?

[gusty bison]

Ye

But basically we ignore the OP trio when we are talking about how good vet guns are

Cos its pointless to try to compare to those 3

[winter grove]

I actually didn't get hang of plasma gun

Used it for the 90% accuracy penance

[gusty bison]

Plasma is just point and click adventure

[winter grove]

and switched back to lasguns

[gusty bison]

It does everything for you

Inf cleave

Aim assist

Perfect accuracy

[winter grove]

Aim assist

hold on what

[gusty bison]

Suppression immune

[gusty bison]

Yea some vet guns have fat bullets

[timid otter]

Do you just want to actually merge the two guides?

[gusty bison]

So u can miss by like half a head and still get a headshot

[winter grove]

Ah

[gusty bison]

[timid otter]

I think the talent tree list you did is likely more comprehensive then the one i did.

[winter grove]

So far I got hung of laspistols and kantrael lasguns

[gusty bison]

Kantrael lasguns are on the weaker end atm

So if u can work with those u can work with basically almost all weapons

[tall torrent]

How’d we merge it tho

[winter grove]

I actually never ran out of ammo with the Ia variant on one of my builds

[gusty bison]

(Either that or u never dodge)

[timid otter]

Cut the parts that are bad, replace them

[gusty bison]

This is true of 90% of vet guns

[timid otter]

Refine everything into a better setup, that is more comprehensive and clean.

Ex i think parts like these are wordy
Agrippina is the highest damage, lowest fire rate, lowest ammo count out of the three weapons
Colomnus is in the middle of damage with a fire rate similar to graia expect in ADs, where graia has a marginally faster fire rate. Colomnus does however have a larger ammo rate then the agrippina but less then the graia. The main difference between the graia and columnus is that graia has higher stagger against unyielding while columnus has a higher stagger against flak. Columnus also has more recoil negation as well as slightly higher damage.

[tall torrent]

I’m prob gonna continue working on mine cuz it’s still very much a WIP

[gusty bison]

You actually have to do something really wrong to run out of ammo on guns on vet

[tall torrent]

And I only have talents in mind rn

[timid otter]

Its likely also easier to just ensure everything is well tested as two.

The perk tier list was a bitch to make.

[gusty bison]

Like dumping a bolter into a wall

[timid otter]

I likely missed alot in making it aswell.

[winter grove]

I do wanna know why Accatran over the kantrael laspistol

[gusty bison]

Higher dps

And also hits most of the 1 shot breakpoints u need

[tall torrent]

Oh yea I’m not looking at them at all rn lmao

[winter grove]

Oh so it's matter of firing speed

[gusty bison]

So the higher rof is just a plus

[tall torrent]

Idrc abt breakpoints on weapons I don’t care abt all that much

[gusty bison]

Ye

[late hatch]

I was incorrect. You still flinch from taking damage but do not get the suppression effect while aiming laspistol.

[tall torrent]

All good

At least I wasn’t tripping lol

[junior needle]

Ciag has a pretty sizable dps lead on both of the other IAG's

At least like 200+

[tall torrent]

Thx for conformation again

[gusty bison]

Laspistol is like helbore.

Dafaq is suppression

[late hatch]

all good, helped me learn something new too

[gusty bison]

I think even the aimpunch isnt that bad iirc

[timid otter]

Ah thats the braced. (talks about braced autoguns)

I got confused for a second.

[winter grove]

Helbore feels nice to use outside of one major thing

That god damn sight

[late hatch]

suppression is aim waver while being shot at, most noticable from gunners

[gusty bison]

The joke is that those weapons dont understand the concept of suppression

[late hatch]

ah mb

[gusty bison]

Eh you get used to it.

Helbore actually has a pretty comfy sight with practice

It barely sways, isnt suppressed

[winter grove]

I noticed yes

But it comes to a problem of sight being bad on itself

Maybe it just that on navy variant

[gusty bison]

At least its not the iLas sight

[late hatch]

I use this sight on almost all guns

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty cool that the 3 suppression-immune weapons are also the ones that are mostly used by stoic soldiers in lore

[winter grove]

Or me being spoiled by lasgun/pistol having holo sights

[gusty bison]

Lasgun holosights are...

Well

They have problems

Laspistol is solid

But the lasgun sight trained a whole generation of vets wrongly lmao

[late hatch]

give pretty good vision imo

[gusty bison]

(I.e. vets that dont dodge with their ranged weapon out)

[winter grove]

I do dodge with lasguns a lot

[gusty bison]

The Kantrael lasgun unfortunately has the worst dodge in the game. And its by a country mile compared to its nearest competitor. And it really comes down to the sight + sway

Cos when dodging the sight decouples from your point of aim. It no longer shoots where the dot is

And it takes notably longer to reset the sway from dodging and recover the sight inaccuracy.

They really should buff thr kantrael's stability tbh

[winter grove]

Oh yeah

Kantrael kicks really hard

[junior needle]

Oh gotcha

[late hatch]

ghost is such a good blessing

[potent iris]

idk I don't think it's very solid

more aetherial if anything

[late hatch]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1Xm6xtyH82Y0FZ/d13377tSfTQe?invite=cr-MSxaM3MsMjA1MTY1MjMzLA

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair

Like, kantrael doesn't want to dodge a bunch

[potent iris]

ghost with duck and dive is hilariously fun

[terse idol]

The whole thing of that being pretty solid

[coral imp]

So, uuh.

[terse idol]

Second, it's a semi automatic weapon, which I will agree though that maybe the other semi autos don't suffer from the strange sway

[winter grove]

So I did test a test between Accatran and Kantrael laspistols. Green one feels nicer

[terse idol]

However I I will argue the sway on dodge for kantarael is situational enough

That it might make you miss at most 1 shot

[coral imp]

I'm introverted AF. I play as a veteran that can deal with mots shit...

[terse idol]

But you don't want to dodge alot with the kantraels playstyle regardless

[coral imp]

How do I find people to play with?

most shit*

[torn inlet]

quick play or lfg channels

[terse idol]

Oh uh #vox-lfg-lexicanum
Or you can ask around here too

[late hatch]

send friend req to people who you enjoy playing with, use lfg channels, collect frens

[coral imp]

I don't know who I enjoy playing with. Just go heresy and kill zombies. Kinda.

For the emperor?

[late hatch]

I look for people who are aware of looking around before they grab ammo, take medicae, or drop off ledges. people who are aware make the best friends for coop games imo

[coral imp]

Usually don't even talk to people in chat, but I've had a few beers and it kind of counters my introverted .. lifestyle?

[late hatch]

idc if they arent super good, as long as they arent rude or scoreboard braggers.

[terse idol]

Eh it's just a matter of how much you're willing to branch ouut

[coral imp]

Yeah, going full vet means I need alot of ammo. Chainsword is fckin beatufil. Lot's of fun. But, not as efficiant. Efficient?

Something, something, something DARKSIDE

I can talk. I know the language, have a headset etc,

I just want to kill stuff bro.

[late hatch]

this game was pretty hilarious. ogryn was level 229 and playing like a complete noob, charging into pretty much anything and getting downed, I should have ignored them more and just focussed on keeping the sparkheads up tbh. had to solo clutch vs a burgle when everyone went down

playing support shouty vet with surv, mk7 shovel, and mk10 laspistol

pls forgive my terrible aim, was my warmup and i was not really feeling it

[winter grove]

Say fellas

I heard there's a gun customisation mod

Could it potentially fix the problem of helbore having dogshit iron sights?

[late hatch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277

[frank ether]

you scare me

[winter grove]

I also want to know your opinion on helbore lasguns

Could I just replace my kantrael with one?

[late hatch]

HB is pretty good, bit slow and deliberate for me, but it hits hard. imo the mk10 laspistol is the best lasgun

[winter grove]

So the kantrael laspistol

[late hatch]

this is the one im using atm, I also love my other one with ghost infernus. flak and maniac is usually the preferred perks

see this for dps #veteran-class message

[winter grove]

I see

[late hatch]

super high ammo doesnt actually make that big a diff, could easily go for a balanced mobi-ammo roll as long as the other 3 are high

[frank ether]

can safely say ammo is a dump stat for these pistols

[winter grove]

I don't remember it being that slow

[frank ether]

there are two

this is the new laspistol

[late hatch]

this is the mk10 over the mk2

[winter grove]

Yeah I am talking about that one

[late hatch]

mk2 is alright too, very fast, imo its painful to play without the full auto mod

spamming click all game

[frank ether]

I like that mk10 has a little bit better carapace pen

The old one literally tickles carapace

[winter grove]

Yeah I just got into the meatgrinder

my Mk X shoots faster than on vid

idk

[late hatch]

i wasnt hard spamming, it was to show how good ghost is vs gunners

[winter grove]

Ah

[late hatch]

this isnt a godroll but it does pretty good for bopping

[frank ether]

pretty ok roll

[late hatch]

bit higher pen would have been nice, and t4 blessings would give a little more oomph

[winter grove]

Which helbore people usually use?

Kinda getting hang of the blue one

[late hatch]

all 3 are pretty good. you probs want surgical and onslaught for blessings, again flak and maniac and preferred perks for most guns, but elite and unyeilding are not bad

[winter grove]

Also, why do people pick blue accatran recon lasgun?

[coral imp]

How do I put my number next to my name? What's my number?

How do I find it?

[tall nova]

go to Social then Find Player, your fatshark friend code will show up on the left then you can click it to copy it, then on discord right click your name and go to edit server profile and put it in your server nickname

[coral imp]

Party one?

[vocal fox]

hey sweats

quick ques

does survivalist stack if another vet also ran survivalist?

[coral imp]

I am a living person and not at all a man of iron. Help me?

[bitter turtle]

no

[vocal fox]

thats geay

thanks

[coral imp]

Bros, please. I don't know what "social" means. It's probably something really simple, but I'm dumb. Only know how to shoot stuff. How do I get a number for my name?

[late hatch]

press esc

[tall nova]

auras don't stack no

[coral imp]

Did I do it?

Am I one of the cool kids now?

I take that as A yes. Thank you very much for the help!

[serene bough]

Love infiltrate

Exec stance blows and VoC trivializes the game too much

[tall torrent]

how's the color coding on this one

[bitter turtle]

Looks good

You're keeping the color consistent across the 3 tree sections right

I'm assuming

Maybe swap green and blue since green is a mix of blue and yellow but

[tall torrent]

yea
sharpshooter - light yellow
squad leader - light blue
commando - light green

blitz - green
aura - yellow
ability - red
passive talents - blue
keystone - purple
blessing - pink

like this

actually Survivalist down there should be yellow

lemme change that lol

[winter grove]

Thank you for linking the mod

god I am gonna actually have fun with helbore having an actual sight

[late hatch]

yeah imo half the guns are borderline unusable without that mod. and it is just making use of a system that is already in the game but fatshark decided it would be better to prevent people from using for some reason beyond my understanding

[tiny summit]

helbore irons good

finally. tried out the Power DI mod, I can see how much toughness Born Leader actually generates

[acoustic sapphire]

This Columnus MK V has served me well. It brought me to victory against many Auric Missions, but it is now time to retire. Auf Wiedersehen, mein Gewehr.

The Omnissiah has brought me a new weapon to purge heretics.

[frank basin]

Yeah someone not going like to see this

Someone who know Columnus won’t like this

[acoustic sapphire]

What's wrong? I don't know the meta.

[frank basin]

Well they pick dumdum is meta

Deathspitter most likely

[bitter turtle]

I decided to attempt at being helpful too

[frank basin]

You may

[bitter turtle]

and melee weapons are easier to write about

does anyone have any objections to this list

https://i.gyazo.com/5a65adc13f9d61698ef99fffdaf9c9c5.png

will write an explanation for each after corrections

[frank basin]

Yeah I like chainsword mk13

Wrath is what I use

But I’m lacking other perk too

[tiny summit]

did our characters before say stuff in the mourningstar? my guy did a lil stretch and said "aw frag"

[frank basin]

Now I stuck with bloodletting

[frank basin]

Never heard that

[sharp ember]

the only character sound i remember is ogryns stretching or blowing their nose

[frank basin]

True

[sharp ember]

i think my only objection is the mildly hard to read orange font color, could stand to be darker for readability

unless i have a eyeball issue

[bitter turtle]

sure

[junior needle]

If this is the one you replaced it for, you goofed hard

Also terrifying barrage is a terrible blessing

You don’t want punishing salvo on that either

[junior needle]

Why maniacs on the tac axes?

[tall torrent]

tac axes need unarmored & flak for 1HS heavy vs bruisers

[bitter turtle]

lets you 2 shot/3 shot ragers with/without crit

[tall torrent]

But to be completely honest, I don’t rly bother with breakpoints on weapons I don’t even consider using rn

[bitter turtle]

is the 1hs heavy on bruisers that valuable tho

unless you try to run it as a BM

[tall torrent]

Only case I’d consider tac axe is zealot and that’s only if I run a funny 92% melee crit chance build

[bitter turtle]

ya tbf i dont see it as a good weapon on vet but

i mean i cant exactly exclude it lol

ill add unarmored tho

[surreal mountain]

Does the hellbore have sights yet

[bitter turtle]

might as well list BM as a viable blessing too

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna exclude things I consider to be outclassed by alternatives tbh

[bitter turtle]

well

would you say maniac is outclassed

i feel like 2 shotting/3 shotting rager is fairly relevant

[tall torrent]

Not bothered to try to figure out tac axes when knife & combat axes outperform them so much

[bitter turtle]

oh

you mean just taxe in general lmao

[tall torrent]

You mentioned crits, and I’m of the opinion that crit breakpoints matter less in the grand scheme of things unless I have very high crit chance (40~50% minimum) to roll that decently consistently

[bitter turtle]

yeah but its a taxe and you run shred on it

you only need to crit once to 2s bp on rager

i think its worth considering

and even if u never crit

it helps you 3 shot it at least

[tall torrent]

Maybe

But what about horde clear

Without BM, does it cleave much

[bitter turtle]

it does

enough

[junior needle]

It cleaves decently with headtaker

[bitter turtle]

lol

like

[junior needle]

Can hit 2 bruiser breakpoint

[bitter turtle]

im not gonna say its amazing

but spamming lights itself is ok-ish

[junior needle]

Which is more than knife can

(consistently that is, executor kinda blows)

[surreal mountain]

Knife funny speed boost

[tall torrent]

So that puts it somewhere like
B tier in terms of horde clear?
If we consider S to be power sword, heavy sword & combat axe, and A to be DC swords

[bitter turtle]

maybe C

more like

lol

unless we put knife at C

then B

[tall torrent]

I never even considered a D tier

[bitter turtle]

i find it just somewhat more competent than knife at it p much

then yeah sure

B would fit

[tall torrent]

So knife would be C

[bitter turtle]

my problem too is if u run shred/headtaker then oneshotting the scab bruisers becomes less relevant no?

you'd have to do BM/headtaker

[tall torrent]

Yea I genuinely don’t care for them all that much in their current state

[junior needle]

Not sure if you can one shot the scab bruisers outside of mk2 heavies on the taxe

[bitter turtle]

the heavies can if you unarmored + a few stacks

i just dont think its very worthwhile unelss you do BM with it

[junior needle]

Mhm, if you run it like a rashad

[bitter turtle]

yeah

ill add that as an option

[junior needle]

I don't think it is either

[bitter turtle]

rashad at home

basically

LOL

[junior needle]

It's just a worse rashad that's just as hard to build

[tall torrent]

Harder, actually

[junior needle]

Lemme guess, it's more damage stats

[tall torrent]

Because Rashad can get both bruiser 1HS breakpoint with just mandatory +unarmored

[junior needle]

Oh true

[tall torrent]

Tac axe must have +unarmored & +flak, then BM & headtaker

Which is 4/4 perfect

[acoustic sapphire]

Is this better? I have Dumdum at level 3.

[junior needle]

Better, but punishing and infested are very low value. The stats are good though, and the gun is so overtuned you can out dps any godroll recon lasgun at gray.

Your priority is dumdum>flak/maniac perks>second blessing of your choice, deathspitter and stripped are the most popular choices

It kills maniacs quite fast already but the maniac perks adds a lot of ammo efficiency

You can even go ammo neutral/positive with survivalist

[frank basin]

Most time you kill maniac enemies like Tox flamer, mutant, ragers

Trapper

[tall torrent]

I checked again

tac axe heavy atk crit HS with basically all +melee dmg talents is about the same as rashad heavy atk non-crit with a normal bruiser breakpoint focused build