veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

if i had to say

[granite sand]

What’s annoying is DT has amazing gameplay and amazing devs but the management is so not great

[bitter turtle]

ok then the setting is even more EDF

[potent iris]

the gameplay is very different the only similarity is they're horde shooters and set in space

[unreal bone]

4 idiots prepared to die for nothing more than a cheeseburger and a pat on the back.

[bitter turtle]

literally giant bugs and DEMOCRACY squad for FREEDOM

[frank basin]

HD2 and Starship trooper extermination are similar lore style

[granite sand]

And both set in satirical fascist regimes

[unreal bone]

management is horrendous.

[granite sand]

Yeah super sad

[unreal bone]

But the 4 play co-op horde killer is a good concept if your devs are mentally ill.

or management

[granite sand]

Like you know it’s a half a dozen dudes who don’t develop or play games who are handing between us and an awesome game

[unreal bone]

whoever is responsible for the steaming pile of darktide.

Even Deep rock galactic is pulling more consistent numbers than Darktide, and while DRG is good.. Darktide is a bigger game with a bigger budget.

Like double the numbers of Darktide

I know they're not the same genre at all but I can't wait for them to re-release a 2005 Battlefront game and watch it crush Darktide even more 🤦‍♂️

[potent iris]

I am defo hyped for battlefront

hopefully it turns out gud

I still have og bf2 installed in any case

[granite sand]

I still believe we need a crafting update

I shouldn’t have to waste most of my resources getting a 380 just to roll it and get absolute trash repeatedly

It’s okay though, I can get more resources by playing the same 5 missions repeatedly

[potent iris]

gearing feels awful yeah

I can't even call it crafting

[minor copper]

It’s gambling at best

[granite sand]

That’s what it is

Let me play the gun slot machine and lose

[minor copper]

I have 1,3 k hours and I tell you I just look for good weapons and good perks not best in slot stats or the highest perks and be ok with it then you have less problems with the gamble system sorry I mean crafting system

[granite sand]

I just go for good blessings

I agree on the not goin for perfection thing

[terse idol]

uh

[minor copper]

Yeah cause the game is really not hard enough that you have to have the best stats and blessings

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say Darktide has all that

HD2 is also more popular because it's a more casual game with a lower learning curve

The Aesthetic is like

Cool Soldier stuff

[granite sand]

Give me knife and plasma and nothing else is relevant

[terse idol]

Darktide is, a very niche aesthetic and an even more niche stuff

[granite sand]

I would argue that Darktide isn’t niche

Most people I play with know zero about warhammer

[terse idol]

Well yeah

But it's certainly a pull

[minor copper]

All I need is a pipe and another pipe that shots buckshot

[terse idol]

Hd2 is like, that game about being that nameless soldier

[unreal bone]

No it is not

If you play on a low difficulty yes HD2 is more easy

[terse idol]

Uh

[unreal bone]

but when you get into like difficulty 6+

It becomes fucking nightmare fuel

[terse idol]

The average player base in Darktide

Is alot worse

[unreal bone]

I have a pic somewhere

[terse idol]

Because the mechanics are harder

[minor copper]

I wouldn’t call Helldivers 2 casual we got our asses kicked on Helldivers difficulty

[terse idol]

Higher difficulty's in Helldivers are easier with the correct Stratagems.

[unreal bone]

4 bile titans

[terse idol]

And

[unreal bone]

and too many chargers to count

[terse idol]

If you want to play efficiently

Don't wake up too many patrols

Darktide is just a deeper game

[unreal bone]

It's not that simple trust me dude.

As an avid HD1 and HD2 that strategy works in HD2 cause you had a strategem called UAV drones

that could detect incoming patrols.

[granite sand]

In Darktide we just don’t wake up the enemies. Easy game, almost no fighting

I get through auric and only see 3-4 enemies usually

[unreal bone]

But in HD2 it's far more brutal and if you angry one patrol? That's pretty much a bile titan spawn or a tank drop.

[terse idol]

no I know

I play 6 and 7's

[terse idol]

Uh

[minor copper]

Darktide just has that satisfying melee combat

[granite sand]

So good

It’s a big reason why I can’t put it down

[terse idol]

All I can say is

[minor copper]

I always dreamed about a vermintide in the 40k universe

[unreal bone]

Both games are difficult yes, but Darktide is more manageable really.

[terse idol]

If you shoot well enough in HD2 you'll be fine, and have the correct stratagems

For the mission

Considering

We can beat 6-9's with a broken armour system

[unreal bone]

That's so not true I'm sorry.

[terse idol]

We are gonna be tankier

When armour is fixed

[unreal bone]

Tankier doesn't help

[terse idol]

?????

Me as I

Press prone

[unreal bone]

You can't outshoot 4 bile titans and 6 chargers

[terse idol]

To dive

[terse idol]

I mean

[unreal bone]

along with all of the other trash bugs

[terse idol]

Just don't wake them up

[unreal bone]

You have to wake them up to do the objs.

[granite sand]

Irl? Nah I’d win

[terse idol]

Half of playing good in HD2 is getting past patrols

[minor copper]

Sounds like you are not using enough democracy I mean bullets

[terse idol]

And shooting well

The railgun

[unreal bone]

Again even if you dodge patrols

They still have bugs ON THE OBJS

[terse idol]

Really fucks things even bile titans

[unreal bone]

on the bonus objs

on the point of interests

[terse idol]

Yeah and I have a railgun stratagem and my friends also have railgun stratagems

And railguns

[unreal bone]

Bro I know what the railgun does

I'm telling you that it gets to a point

[terse idol]

Yes and you know it's broke as hell

[unreal bone]

where there isn't enough bullets

[terse idol]

I mean

[unreal bone]

for the amount of enemies

[terse idol]

Then you've fucked up

People are beating solo 9's on automatons 🥹

[unreal bone]

Automatons are easier than bugs.

[terse idol]

[unreal bone]

They are

[terse idol]

The rocket raider

When the RNG rocket 1 shots tou

[unreal bone]

Run energy shield

[terse idol]

And the hulk flamer melts you

[unreal bone]

Energy shield railgun

[terse idol]

Yes

The meta

For automatons

[minor copper]

Supply pack ?

[terse idol]

Hulk flamers will still fuck you

I won't sit here and say

[unreal bone]

Not if you just headshot them with a railgun

you can 1 shot hulks

[terse idol]

That HD2 is more mechanically complex it really isn't

[unreal bone]

you can't 1 shot the bug equivalent

[terse idol]

You can't one shot tanks

Automatons also have many things that just one shot you

[unreal bone]

Hulks - Chargers
Tanks - Bile Titans

You can't 1 shot tanks or bile titans

but tanks are way more passive.

[terse idol]

I mean

[unreal bone]

Bile titans are up your ass 24/7

[terse idol]

Chargers are brain dead easy because of the leg cheese

Bile titans sure

[unreal bone]

Bugs are the harder species in the later stages of the game by far. They are an up in your face zerg rush species in a game where you have little to no form of melee protection.

[terse idol]

But that doesn't change the fact that automatons have many things that one shot you anywhooo

It's abit rng frankly

[unreal bone]

The only things that can 1 shot you on the automaton front are rockets obv and cannon shells.

Bile Spewers, Bile Titans, Chargers, Stalkers, and Broods can all 1 shot you.

[terse idol]

Bile spewers

Get deleted by head shots

Stalkers

Cannot one shot you

They'll 2 shot 😌

Chargers

[unreal bone]

They can if they catapult you

and you hit a prop

[terse idol]

Have RNG to 2 shot you

[unreal bone]

And stalkers also catapult you if you shoot back at them before they get close

[terse idol]

Also you can turn Hard into them to avoid the charge

[terse idol]

Impact damage sucks in hd2

Like oh no

[frank basin]

okay it seem like sefoni will gossip you in meat grinder

[terse idol]

I ate one explosion took 25% hp damage

[frank basin]

idk people going hate it or not

[terse idol]

Then bumped my head on a wall instantly dead

This is the same and maybe worse on automatons

Because they have WAY MORE SHIT that launches you

[unreal bone]

Not really automatons are so stupid it's hilarious.

Sometimes their tanks literally block their allies from moving up or shooting you.

[terse idol]

Aldo you can't turn hard into hulks at close range, at least the flamer hulk

[granite sand]

Yeah

Hints at new stuff

[unreal bone]

Where as bile titans don't hinder their bug allies at all

Hulks don't matter because they can be 1 shot from the front

[terse idol]

Okay and automatons can shoot you from very far away

[unreal bone]

you don't need to dance around them at all you just gotta pup them in the eyeball

[terse idol]

With devastators

[unreal bone]

So can bugs and it's just as much of a gamble sometimes.

Bugs have mobile artillery but I wasn't counting that.

[terse idol]

Chargers don't matter because they're all melee anywho 😌

[terse idol]

Only Bile titans

[unreal bone]

No?

Bile Spewers

can do the shit from starship troopers 2

[terse idol]

That's...

Not artillery

That's practically a shotgun

[unreal bone]

What do you meaaaan dude

[terse idol]

I've never had bilespewer shoot THAT far away

[unreal bone]

Have you not seen the Bile Spewers do that

They can do LITERALY mortars

[terse idol]

Artillery implies they're shooting from FAR AWAY

[unreal bone]

they can stick their butts into the air

[terse idol]

I've never seen this

[unreal bone]

and shoot mortars

[terse idol]

In my liiife

[unreal bone]

I'll find a gif rn

They literally do the shit

from starship troopers 1

The green bile spewers are artillery bugs.

[granite sand]

Would doing a helbore mk2 build be stupid?

I kinda feel like doing it but I’ve never used the mk2

[unreal bone]

the green ones are called bile spewers they have an armored carapace on them and can do the shotgun attack or launch artillery from their butt.

The orange ones are nursing spewers and they do the shotgun attack, and I'm not sure if they have any alternate thing.

Can't find a video cause nobody stands around waiting to get mortared but yeah.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1as1cwl/psa_bile_spewers_are_the_green_spewers_that_fire/

Bugs suck ass.

[terse idol]

I would disagree

Gonna say the thing

Just

Mag dump head

Everything in the Bug army is either

Mag dump head, or Mag dump Legs

Brood Commanders are easily dispatched if you just shoot legs

[frank basin]

question, is plasma ammo really matter?

[terse idol]

This point it's just splitting hairs

[terse idol]

yeah

I mean it's nice to have

[granite sand]

Yep

[terse idol]

Gives you alot of room to work with

[unreal bone]

Biles take more bullets than spewers like I said they have armored carapaces.

[terse idol]

I mean

Just

Mag dump their head with the breaker

They die very very quickly

[granite sand]

I don’t have to reload often but a good ammo stat is nice to have

[terse idol]

The only scary part is the potential to just one shot you out of no where

[granite sand]

Esp in harder difficulties

[unreal bone]

The only scary part is that they are literally automaton mortar emplacements.. But mobile.

[terse idol]

All the discussion is based on like Damnation Imo

[granite sand]

It’s never my priority though

[terse idol]

Anything below and... even some of the best talents get worse

[terse idol]

Uh

[frank basin]

man is stopping power not nessecary much on plasma? since i keep getting high stats charge rate plasma

[terse idol]

I've never ever had them mortar me

Maybe I'll see it!

[unreal bone]

I have before.

[bitter turtle]

stopping power affects damage

so if you like having low damage

[terse idol]

But never seen it

[bitter turtle]

then yeah, stopping power is not necessary

just run 0 stopping 0 damage :^)

[unreal bone]

I've been flattened by it once it's aboute as accurate as Automaton mortars

[frank basin]

alright, thank

[unreal bone]

but since they move you can't just exit their field of fire.

[bitter turtle]

im being sarcastic

[terse idol]

I think that was a joke

[bitter turtle]

in case you didnt realize

[frank basin]

i dont read the joke

[bitter turtle]

stopping power is important

[terse idol]

Automaton mortars are RNG accurate

[bitter turtle]

im such a good samaritan

[terse idol]

So not at all I guess

Damage and Stopping power are important especially for pgun

And most weapons tbh...

although few exceptions exist

[unreal bone]

Yeah but they can hit you if you linger in the same spot too much.

Although the worst part aside from them being mobile is

[granite sand]

I go for balanced stats on the plas

[frank basin]

like this is some decent plasma

[terse idol]

Gonna say the funny thing

[granite sand]

I could be wrong for that

[terse idol]

You just never want to sit still in Helldivers

For any enemy type

Again

I disagree that HD is deeper than darktide

There's no tec

There's just

Shoot

And dive

[terse idol]

And like hit V

[unreal bone]

You have to sit still for some things in HD2

[terse idol]

Yeah, imo, you want to dump Charge rate, and get a minimum Thermal resistance of 70

And..

Not dump ammo

[terse idol]

Just don't

[granite sand]

Yeah that reload blows

[terse idol]

If you sat still long enough

[frank basin]

i get rng high charge rate

[terse idol]

That a mortar hits you

Rip

[terse idol]

Like I won't lie it happens

But Artillery fire is prettyyy RNG

[unreal bone]

I've only been hit my automaton mortars once in all of my 50 levels.

[terse idol]

Hell it could hit you after the 2nd barrage

But it's RNg

[unreal bone]

But bug mortars are worse

[frank basin]

i brought multiple plastma and i get all time high charge rate

[terse idol]

Again

[unreal bone]

because the automatons only have 2 to 3 mortar emplacements in a mortar base.

Bugs will constantly spawn bile spewers

[terse idol]

That's not indicative of depth, it's RNG

[granite sand]

I’d say blessings are more important than stats on the plasma

[terse idol]

Also

Automatons have Cannon Turrets

[unreal bone]

I've been shelled by 12 bile spewers before

[terse idol]

Okay

I haven't seen this behaviour yet, but I believe you

I still believe that HD2 is pretty shallow though

😌

And the Difficulty levels aren't entirely balanced yet

[frank basin]

too bad is 2% away from it

[granite sand]

I’d run this but that’s just me

[terse idol]

That's a fine one

Still High CR

RNGesus is pain

[frank basin]

yeah

[granite sand]

Idk where the breakpoint is on plasma damage stat

Or breakpoints plural I guess

[terse idol]

You can't find breakpoints you just gotta know what you're looking foor

Or well there's the break point calculator

Basically all you're looking for is like

a 3 shot on crushers

Which seems baked in to most Pguns

And a 1 shot on dredge gunners

All uncharged

[granite sand]

This makes zero sense

[terse idol]

Well

I worded it wrong 😌

[granite sand]

There has to be a point where your stat blows so you’re taking more shots to kill something

[terse idol]

Ohh

That's what ya mean

I mean, dump damage I guess yeah

60 Dmg, and 60 stp

[granite sand]

I go for balanced stats but damage is hype for the plas and ammo is not as important

Just for me

But my play style is stupid anyway

[terse idol]

that's okie it's talking about the stats

[granite sand]

I still love the bolter

and the new uchanka bangs with the penance kit

[thick flint]

shame there aint no snowy maps

[frank basin]

Is hive Tertium we don’t move anywhere else

[stiff glacier]

I lovr how vet chennel is either arguing about the talent tree or just talking anything regarding to plasma

[gusty bison]

Plasma is a dumb weapon :P

[stiff glacier]

I havent used it more than twice

[frank basin]

Until meltagun add

[daring jungle]

whats the best shotgun?

[hollow ibex]

kanty and agri are both similar in power level imo

lawbringer... exists

[daring jungle]

thanks

[wet frigate]

Plasma gun

[gusty bison]

Ew

Plasma

[wet frigate]

Plasma gun best gun best shotgun fun gum

[gusty bison]

-Plasma
-Fun

Pick one >:P

[wet frigate]

Both!

[gusty bison]

Frankly I wish plasma was more engaging and less handholdy

Its a snooze fest to run atm

[tall nova]

also saps the fun out of the game for everyone else

a good plasma vet carries the game even if the other 3 are overall better players

[dire olive]

Someone hasn't embraced the Scattershot/manstopper Lawbringer lifestyle

[dire olive]

What do you want to do with it? Agri has great single target sniping ability, Lawbringer can have great horde clear, Kant exists and is alright but doesn't have much of a niche outside the ability to do mild fire damage

[elder fiber]

kantrael is better on zealot b/c as usual they can do funny things with fire stacks + chastise

[hollow ibex]

meh

kanty's fire is actually pretty strong

not to mention unconditional infinite cleave

if you want a more anti-horde shotgun, kanty is the choice

[dire olive]

It used to be pretty strong

[hollow ibex]

if you want single target focus, agri is the choice

[dire olive]

It's just alright

[hollow ibex]

it's still pretty strong

[dire olive]

Someone hasn't embraced the Scattershot/manstopper Lawbringer lifestyle

[hollow ibex]

why would i embrace a worse option

[dire olive]

Delusional

[hollow ibex]

🥱

[dire olive]

This man has never killed 50 poxwalkers in one shot

[wet frigate]

Why would anyone pick a shotgun to kill poxwalkers

[dire olive]

He's arguing about horde clear

[hollow ibex]

when i'm talking about horde clear, i'm not saying just nothing but poxwalkers

btw

but hey whatever, use what you want, idgaf

[wet frigate]

Still shotguns are just bad except for that zealot glitch

[dire olive]

Eh they're not the best but still useable

[stiff glacier]

Gets both tactical reload and the right side special kill reload increase

Sorry left

Ive been on the right side of vet tree too long

Played yesterday with 3 of 4 in squad using autopistols

It was hilarious

[agile forge]

Kantrael Shotgun works pretty well on a knife pervert tbh

Oh thought this was zealot chat

Idk about vet shotguns at all

[wanton dawn]

Sorry there is not many knife pervert here

[white minnow]

OwO

[gusty bison]

Kanny is better vs elites and bosses

Lawbringer is better vs chaff

2-3 kantrael shots kills like 10 ragers

Lawbringer cant do that unfortunately

[gusty bison]

Eh Agri is a decent sniper rifle, and Kantrael is very efficient into elite patrols

They are hardly bad

Compared to the non overpowered broken weapons shotguns sit in a pretty decent spot. Middle of the line.

[balmy terrace]

So I've not played in a few months, could someone explain why the power sword changes are good and helpful, and not just a bit 'different'?

[white minnow]

it really is just a bit different

it's p much a cosmetic change

the activation timings are still the same

besides the mk6 having its every-other pc4 light combo being changed but that can be gotten around with block cancelling

[trim hemlock]

It’s indeed a flavourful change, although the simplicity of Activation into L1 L2 L3 on PS6 got just that more cumbersome

[balmy terrace]

Yeah, feels like a weird thing to alter. Oh well

[trim hemlock]

I wonder if activation into L1 L2 BC is the way to go now…

[white minnow]

prolly just groundwork for a future change to the pswords

[trim hemlock]

Or other activated weapons, too

[white minnow]

one can hope

[runic grove]

i just wanted to tell u guys that plasma gun is so overpowered that even nerfing the dmg by 50% is not enough

[trim hemlock]

It’s ridiculous indeed

The gun should not have 50 cleave on light shots

[balmy terrace]

I love how when the game came out you'd be clowned on for using the plasma, now you're clowned on for not using it lol

[runic grove]

I HAVE A FULLY AUTOMATIC RUMBLER WHICH USES NO AMMO AND GET OUTDAMAGED BY PLASMA KNIFE VET

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/we-know-duh-hello-of-course-gif-13989211

[balmy terrace]

oh god, I'm just noticing in the psykanium how much awkward the 6 is now

it hasn't broken the weapon or anything, but this just feels strange lol

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, well, Active > L1 > L2 > Block cancel might be the way to go, if you want to have the most consistent output

one that doesn't include an overhead strike anyway

[balmy terrace]

it was literally fine before lol

[white minnow]

you can just block cancel after the activation to reset back to l1

and just continue on with l1 l2 l3

and psword being one of the weapons with no block timing penalties

[trim hemlock]

Oh?

[white minnow]

so you can just tap your block and be fine

[trim hemlock]

OH

You can do that?

[white minnow]

yeah

blocking always resets your attack chain

maybe some edge cases i don't know about but that's the case for the pswords

since after the chaining activation, you're starting from l2 and then blocking resets you back to l1

[balmy terrace]

sure, but equally this is just slightly annoying imo and feels like it's been done for no real reason. to balance it maybe? to make it feel like it has a higher 'skill ceiling?'

[white minnow]

i don't think it's a change for the mk6

it just seems like an incomplete change intended for a psword rework

well, not a rework

but making non-PC pswords better

but we only got the animation part of it so far

[balmy terrace]

agh, fatshark, always 1 step forward and 2 back with darktide

sort of glad nothing has changed there lol

[white minnow]

though it's a very minor backwards step

[trim hemlock]

Well, yeah, now that I think about it, it was always an option, I just couldn't take off the rose tinted glasses of the perfect combo to ever properly realise that. Cheers though, I'll see how that fares.

[white minnow]

i don't think it's a big deeal at all

it's quite literally a nothing change

[balmy terrace]

of course it isn't huge, it's just annoying to have played with a weapon, gotten used to it, then leave for a little while and find it's altered just enough to be annoying when you return

oh well, back to chainsword, like the beta days

[slow spade]

I think it looks neat c:

[slow spade]

Yeah it seems to be for non-PC users to be able to continue their combo

But the first attack is often all you need

[gusty bison]

Its nice if u wanna do a powered smackdown on a non PC sword

Thats it

[tall nova]

there's no difference between pc and console when it comes to combos and block cancelling n what not

[gusty bison]

Light 4 is the main difference here

[slow spade]

Power Cycler users own the name PC now

[tall nova]

LOL

mb

[slow spade]

:p na its just an unfortunate name

Thankfully the Psword usually only wants the first 2-3 attacks

So Power Cycler is all you need 💪

[white minnow]

or perilous combustion

[gray finch]

rate my setup

[pastel geode]

Zealot out of 10

[analog mural]

Not grey weapons 0/10

[agile forge]

Curios could be better

[bleak tendon]

Hey guys how are the new power swords?

Was thinking of getting back into veteran to try them out

[gusty bison]

No major differencr

Especially if u have power cycler

If u dont have power cycler it lets u access later points in the combo

Like PS6's L4

[bleak tendon]

I thought that we have now new charged attacks we can do mid combo

Are they fun?

[gusty bison]

Yes but 99% of people wont bother

[bleak tendon]

Ah, of course

[gusty bison]

As I said

Its mainly to access Light 4 on Power Sword 6

[bleak tendon]

Well I don't have powercycler anyways so I guess it should be more interesting for me

[gusty bison]

But like

Generally people dont try to combo out light 4

And if they do theres push attack L4

Its better for non PC sincr u can push attack recharge into L4

But once again. Who's gonna bother

[wanton dawn]

"Nothing personal kid"/10

[tacit sonnet]

I saw a new patch, are recons usable now?

[gusty bison]

Better but still weak

So it depends whatcha mean by usable

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[gusty bison]

The fix was mostly ammo economy but its still has dps problems

But at least u arent as much of an ammo hog

[tacit sonnet]

I don't care about ammo

What's the point of ammo economy if that ammo used doesn't do anything

[tiny summit]

So yea just better ammo economy. It's still eating the dmg nerfs it got before

[slow spade]

Its still literally the worst ranged option

Its just less bad than it used to be

[tacit sonnet]

I know

And it's very sad, recons are fun

[chilly anvil]

You can either be good or look good, but if you have to choose one:

Always look good

[wanton dawn]

playing with ogryn that don't mind their line of sight is cancer

actually super annoying

[frank basin]

I just watched tanner zealot guide for 54 minute, half of his video sound reasonable and rest half idk what to say but then he call you Real Asian robot cope.

He love stamina curio and sprint efficiency and block efficiency

[trim hemlock]

Stamina curio is… fine. Sprint efficiency is also not bad, you get to have more stamina for other actions, if you need it, albeit its state is quite competitive with other properties

And block cost is maybe relevant on combat blade, but that’s about it, and again, it’s in competition with other, potentially better properties

[trim hemlock]

Was there anything you liked in that video ?

[frank basin]

No in zealot chat then guy post “here garbage content to watch” so I watch it

He does say chorus is op

That lot zealot agree it

He doesn’t like loner

He like shroudfield doing crits damage reduction

Yeah some stuff sound reasonable but his opinion and belief anyway

His video plasma gun just sound bait post for veteran

Call out people rtad just not good YouTuber

[gusty bison]

What did he say about plasma

[frank basin]

#veteran-class message

[umbral scaffold]

Eh... 6/5 is exagrating it a bit.

[gusty bison]

His points arent off the mark. His attitude is terrible

Like dogshit terrible

Ok nvm

He's just wrong in some areas

Also a distinct lack of useful build info

[wanton dawn]

He is not good enough for his attitude

[gusty bison]

No one is good enough for his attitude lol

[wanton dawn]

I don't watch his video. I saw one. Then I just have to check the title to know

[gusty bison]

Like its meant to be an informative yt video guide. Not an angry discord forum rant. :P

[wanton dawn]

Plus if you want misguided opinion from hotsauce, I am always here anyway

[timid otter]

The enviroment of DT youtubers

[gusty bison]

"You need to reload the plasma less than the revolver."

[wanton dawn]

He's not wrong

[timid otter]

I think the real problem is that they strecth themselves way to thin.

[gusty bison]

I guess for the avg populace

[timid otter]

How are they supposed to know everything about every weapon, every class.

[tiny summit]

Well I mean you don't have to reload plasma during an encounter

[gusty bison]

Im assuming solid builds here

[tiny summit]

Plasma/WS to avoid the reload too though

[gusty bison]

Fair but he is using FT

For plasma

And is recommending FT

[tiny summit]

Didn't know. Don't care for his videos

[wanton dawn]

I don't watch either

[gusty bison]

I just looked at it to see how bad take it was

[tiny summit]

They don't pop their head in here anymore do they?

[wanton dawn]

I watched the talent analysis a while ago. I said, and I quote "he doesn't know"

[gusty bison]

I dunno. Feels like he gets ideas from here

[tiny summit]

Veterans don't need to read

[gusty bison]

Some comments feel very much pulled from here

[wanton dawn]

I think he went here once

[tiny summit]

Yea but that could happen outside the discord

[gusty bison]

Thats true

[wanton dawn]

The interaction was eh, not great

from what i saw

[gusty bison]

Shocking

Gasp

[tiny summit]

You'll see reddit not be troglodytes at times

[gusty bison]

Yea but reddit has a lot of noise

[wanton dawn]

You don't remember name on reddit

[gusty bison]

Hang on lemme just check

His video titles

[tiny summit]

I just remember them saying to look up their FF stuff and someone did and they were blocked. Haven't seen em since

[wanton dawn]

Ah yes, I dunno anything about FF but I think ppl were saying: "not impressive, not impressive at all"

[fervent quiver]

The mk 3 shank's lights being nerfed hurts

[gusty bison]

Yea he is on discord

I have concrete proof lol

His last video mentions it

:P

in the title

Other fun fact. His last video was "recons are not bad"

Proceeds to show 1800 dps gun

[frank basin]

Where?

[gusty bison]

Probably a lurker account

[frank basin]

Tanner?

[gusty bison]

Ye

[frank basin]

That bastard still here?

[gusty bison]

Has to be

[frank basin]

I thought he’s not exist

[gusty bison]

He keeps tabs on this place

[gusty bison]

I mean not posting =/= not here

[frank basin]

Aight

[stone adder]

The discord account should have the same name as the yt channel name

[gusty bison]

He literally mentioned discord comments in his last video

[stone adder]

So you can check messages

[gusty bison]

I mean alts/lurkers exist

[frank basin]

That take away anonymity

Going China mode

[stone adder]

Ywa, but would someone go that far, for this game?

[frank basin]

It had to be like this

Sadly

[stone adder]

Damn

[tiny summit]

I mean discord is free and obviously getting pushback on here was too much

[gusty bison]

Its not very far tbf

Discord alt is super low effort

And for CC keeping tabs on the community is important

To follow/exploit trends

[frank basin]

He doesn’t talk and ask people

He quite simply listen

[tiny summit]

Did the patch 17 experience. Exe MF Recon w/ PS and smokes to test out the mid attack chain charge. My ammo was better...still made me sad using it

[stone adder]

I guess

[gusty bison]

Its still bad dps.

[tiny summit]

Yep

[frank basin]

Wait what? He said that?

[gusty bison]

Yea latest vidro

[tiny summit]

Also a different sight on it isn't needed but holy that laser fx when shooting with one of the reflex sights

[gusty bison]

I skimmed in and with high FT stacks he was getting... 1.5k dps

1.5k...

[timid otter]

On what target=

and what range

[gusty bison]

Rager

About 15m

1.5k is bad btw

[tiny summit]

I mean for a casual player, recon isn't bad considering the difficulties they would play

[timid otter]

Recons lose significant damage beyond 10m

[frank basin]

Is he using sniper node?

[gusty bison]

I think so

He's clearly damage stacking in the video

[frank basin]

Aye

[tiny summit]

But I find it funny to be all annoyingly elitist about game choices but for some reason not think the recons are hot garbage?

[agile yew]

But remember he is world's first to do some Darktide run or whatever, so all of our opinions dont matter whatsoever

[gusty bison]

I mean i will say thid

Recons arent unusable

But he says they are GOOD

Which is...

[frank basin]

Did Elite say recon not bad?

[tiny summit]

Like what...every other gun would probably be more viable

[trim hemlock]

“Good”, as in, “on par” with other potentially competitive choices?

[gusty bison]

Dude ur using 6+ stack FT and Redirect fire AND only getting 1.5k dps

[gusty bison]

Good as in a GOOD choice

[trim hemlock]

Like, realistically competitive choices, say, Agri IAG

[gusty bison]

Yes

[trim hemlock]

[frank basin]

I got blame last year for using recon on Damnation (pre-talent revamp patch)

[gusty bison]

Recon is still the worst gun

Its just not terrible

Well i guess i can say its not bad now

Just meh

It will work if u put the effort in it

[frank basin]

I’m still keeping my recon in my arsenal

Hope and waiting

[gusty bison]

But its quite a bit of effort for not a lot of performance

[slow spade]

Recon is bad because I can't get ammo for my recon 😔

[tiny summit]

Now fatshark why does the shredder pistol slow me more mag dumping it than an autogun

[gusty bison]

Its less bad in that regard now

Shock trooper fix

[slow spade]

Not good enough

[gusty bison]

But the dps is still... a problem

[timid otter]

wtf

[slow spade]

Infinite ammo pls

[timid otter]

FS is lying about the braced autoguns firerate

[frank basin]

Which one?

[timid otter]

Colomnus, graia

[frank basin]

Graia is speedy as hell on braced

I would stab myself with celerity for more dakka

[tiny summit]

You wouldn't shoot up heretic stims would you?

[low wagon]

Why would you go with braced when regular ones are that much more accurate..

[tiny summit]

Because dakka

[frank basin]

I would shoot heretic stim for dakka

[gusty bison]

It doesnt need aim

[tiny summit]

If a heretic offers you a stim: just say no

[gusty bison]

Braced auto have better hipfire bodyshot dps than IAGs

[tiny summit]

Agri brauto has very generous hip fire

[frank basin]

I only take imperium stim

Imperium made stims

[tiny summit]

That were heretic sourced

[frank basin]

Yes blame inquisitor for that

[slow spade]

I don't see the labeling on it

Clearly Imperium sourced UwU

[tiny summit]

Another inquisitor: So Grendel...you allow your penal rejects to shoot up heretic sourced stims?

Where's the heresy meter?

[frank basin]

Rannick Grendel?

[gusty bison]

Tbf some inquisitors summon daemonhostz

[tiny summit]

True

[hazy ocean]

Hey I have some talents does anyone mind helping me spend em

[frank basin]

Or morrow grendyl

[frank basin]

That’s up your playstyle

Try read the nodes

And ask about the node here if you have questions

[timid otter]

Ok so i think graia has a marginally faster fire rate while braced compared to the colomnus braced

about 2 bullets per sec faster.

[low wagon]

So you gain better bodyshot hipfire... which is probably still a downgrade over just accurately shooting enemies in the head with ads IAG point blank.

And on top of that you lose ability to deal with midrange and far threats.

Seems pretty weak. That one good recon lasgun would probably do better.

[white minnow]

yeah the graia brauto gets a fire rate boost on bracing

[gusty bison]

It does not

Recon las has worse dps

[frank basin]

Is this guy is tanner?

[gusty bison]

Like recon is objectively worst in game still

[frank basin]

Well I would keep recon rather salvage it

[gusty bison]

But yes braced auto id say is worse than IAGs when u put effort into it, but braced autos are better if ur chilling

Recons rely heavily on headshots to get to a passable dps (which is worse than bodyshots from a brauto)

[frank basin]

Love Graia brauto

[agile forge]

All the autogun users value crit too

BAGs have bad crit too right?

[gusty bison]

Yes

Horribly terrible

[agile forge]

Great beginner guns though

[gusty bison]

And chill

[timid otter]

-2% base crit

[agile forge]

Before you have the level 30 statlines

[gusty bison]

Nah thisnisnt the problem

The problem is 1.1x finesse

It can br 90% crit chance and still be a terrible crit gun

[low wagon]

Opposite for me.

I can chill with IAG because I point at things and they die.

With braced I have to put more effort to kill same things or have to go out of my way to deal with longer range threats.

[gusty bison]

If ur just going for hipfire bodyshots, braced auto is better.

Thats the main idea

Theres people that just dont wanna ads or go for headshots. For those people brauto is better.

[white minnow]

brauto is nice for ranged-only gameplay

brauto for everything including hordes

[gusty bison]

Oh yea it has more ammo

[white minnow]

grab +25% ammo and i'm set to just hold LMB

[frank basin]

They are the lite machines gun

But I want bigger one the stubber machine gun

[white minnow]

varying levels of brrrrrrr

[frank basin]

Thukthukthukthuk

[clever niche]

That one pesky sniper is enough for me to bring Agri IAG

[frank basin]

I literally snipe across my brauto

Once time

To stagger the sniper

[white minnow]

the brautos get pretty accurate if you're crouched and braced, though it's painful if you're not in a position to do that

i certainly do miss being able to ADS sometimes

[clever niche]

Crouched and braced are surely demanding in dynamic frontlines of higher difficulty

[terse idol]

Which is fine, the ciag needs you to crouch and shoot sometimes too

[white minnow]

it's not too bad at least since you can usually go back into cover

deal with the other problems and then go for the sniper

i wonder what the spread the game shows is like without the crosshairs fix mod

[tiny summit]

Absolute fucking lies is what it looks like

Or it looks like how CoD hipfire spread is like.

[white minnow]

spread while standing (10m from the mauler)

spread while braced and crouched (20m from the mauler)

[tiny summit]

Oh I like how your toughness bar is behind the hp

[white minnow]

yeah it was a thing that looked neat when i was playing around with hudtweaker

[tiny summit]

Maybe I should play around with it

[white minnow]

hell yeah

[tiny summit]

But yea no crosshair fix has been a recent mod addition for me. My God they were nowhere near that tight

[wanton dawn]

Every time I get a 1m scoreboard on vault spire i wanna die

[white minnow]

the joy of 30-40 minute games on that map

truly peak pub matches

[wanton dawn]

44 min

At least i got a 1m on bolter

[tiny summit]

My games usually only peak at 600k on occassion

[white minnow]

pain

[timid otter]

I dont use scoreboard anymore

I just assume i have the highest damage

[white minnow]

i get a lot of damage but i run the outstandingly meta stuff all the time

[wanton dawn]

I might try dartkide_DI

I run scoreboard cuz otherwise I cannot know which build i need to steal

[white minnow]

i sometimes wonder how i'd perform without running op tsuff but i really want to win and i really want that plasteel

[timid otter]

Alot of the non op stuff just arent that fun to either play with

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 disagrees

[wanton dawn]

Well, is bolter OP though

[gusty bison]

:P

[timid otter]

Vraks 7 is fine.

[gusty bison]

Honestly the OP stuff is pretty boring

[timid otter]

the mk 9 headhunter however i would find unfun to play with.

[gusty bison]

A9 is too high effort

[timid otter]

That is a pain of a weapon to use.

[gusty bison]

Its theoretically amazing

[wanton dawn]

Bolter on fog map with exe stance is pretty, pretty fun

[gusty bison]

Practically too high effort

But its an exception tbh

[timid otter]

Tac axes are other weapons ive never quite found enjoyable.

[gusty bison]

A9 is the only gun with that difficulty of a skill floor.

[timid otter]

In their current state even less so.

[tiny summit]

A9 one of the burst fire hhs?

[timid otter]

Its the two shot one.

[gusty bison]

2 burst.

2.7x finesse unlike the V3

[tiny summit]

Today I learned it's 2burst

[gusty bison]

So its a headshot gun

[tiny summit]

Burst fire feels like I'm playing COD: Darktide

[gusty bison]

But trying to hit a double tapper on a burst gun with moderate stagger is a nightmare

[timid otter]

I strongly prefer the other two headhunters to the mk 9

[gusty bison]

Basically A9 requires u to hit a double tap crit headshot

Which is...

Hard

[hardy ember]

New vet weapons on the way anytime soon?

[timid otter]

Another weapon i couldnt see playing is the lawbringer

Lawbringer is a less intereting kantrael shotgun

And kantrael isnt even that good of a weapon to begin with...

[tiny summit]

Everyone is in the dark as much as you

Please fatshark...just let the shotguns have nothing but their special ammo

[gusty bison]

Agri the new revolver

[hardy ember]

So sticking to ogryn got it

[gusty bison]

Agri should not have slug on semi auto

Nor kantrael flame shot on semi auto

[hardy ember]

Still waiting on hotshot lasguns

[timid otter]

I do wish the shotguns in the game had slightly more "punch"

Like the kickback on ogryn does.

[hardy ember]

I want to use lasguns. But they all are meh compared to auto guns and plasma

[timid otter]

If im shotting an enemy at close range it should deal alot of damage.

Its 18 pellets with the kantrael that is being shoot into an enemy.

[gusty bison]

Helbore

One of the best guns outside of the op trio

Op trio being plasma, revolver, ciag

[hardy ember]

I’ll stick to plasma thanks

[frank basin]

Reading ciag like ciaglist

[gusty bison]

I mean plasma invalidates every other weapon except volver

So like

That standard is unreasonable

Plasma is the gun coming down, the others arent going up to match it

[timid otter]

Helbore charge attack i belive doesnt have any damage falloff or gain.

while the non charge attack seems to behave oddly

[gusty bison]

It has vs maniac

Just maniac

And VERY minor vs flak

[terse idol]

They're good, when you don't compare them to the two most broken weapons in the game

Pgun ciag

[gusty bison]

Dont forget the volver :P

[terse idol]

🥹

Volver I only put on "strong" cause at least there's a bit of a skill ceiling there

Gotta hit every headshot you're limited to 5 shots with a decently slow reload

Handcannon is a requirement

[agile yew]

Kickback is the Ogryn OP ranged, really enjoying it with ranged talent setup

[gusty bison]

I wish it was limited to 5 shots

Weapon spec makes it inf shots

[terse idol]

Kiinda

Again the skill ceiling stuff

[gusty bison]

Ok it requires a moticum more effort than plasma

But compared to all the other guns it still holds ur hand a LOT

Aim assist, cleave, instaswap

[agile yew]

Plasma is kinda stupid good, BFG9000 but you got lots of ammo and can rapid fire

[gusty bison]

Which all feed into bottomless clip

[terse idol]

Ciag is just point and click adventure and urgh

[gusty bison]

Well u actually need to manage recoil

Kinda

But yea its kinda braindead too

I find volver easier than ciag

But thats cos im used to helbore

[muted knot]

Agri Iag my beloved

[midnight totem]

Has there been a headhunter autogun skin?

[elder fiber]

only in the old skin sets that included every weapon type

no unique skins tho

[dire olive]

Emperor just dumped this on me thought I'd share

[copper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[dire olive]

(Shame I don't much like the Mk3)

[agile forge]

Look at this karker getting PC4 after they already have PC4

Save some PC4 for the rest of us

Git

[dire olive]

[elder fiber]

Just had 2 maelstrom games with a psyker who skipped medicae b/c "it affects score"

[agile forge]

Score does not exist o_o

Fuckin heretics

[elder fiber]

I'm just glad there's another reason the scoreboard mod makes some people play actively worse

[agile forge]

Just gotta shame them out of it

Don't wanna heal? Don't get hit twats

[timid otter]

I think the agrippina revolver should actually get its damage falloff significantly reduced in a future patch

On some targets it loses like 66% of its damage with the target being 25m away.

[copper barn]

Bruh why does no one ever pick up ammo. I run las grunt for a reason, for the love of the Emperor I don’t need the ammo pickup…

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

[idle swallow]

negatively affecting your HP because of an imaginary number from a 3rd party mod, absolute state of green circle chasers

[slow spade]

Scoreboard mod was a mistake

The players are still shit and now they're intensionally being shit

[clever niche]

I just removed scoreboard mod as well. It distracted me too much from being more bold on the battlefield

[bitter turtle]

Tell them a secret hack

Just remove the medicae used under mod settings

Now medicae doesn't affect score

Parsers HATE this

[hollow ibex]

i like being able to see the little shit who keeps double-dipping the medicae and hoovering up every piece of ammo on the map

[clever niche]

Double dipping?

[timid otter]

Im pretty sure without scoreboard that i do eat majority of ammo in my missions.

[tacit wren]

There are 4 medicae things at best, so 1 for each team member

[bitter turtle]

I double dip if nobody needs it

And poxburster jumps on me right after

[hollow ibex]

there are situations where it's fine, but that's rare imo

[slow spade]

I pray I have top ammo taken 🙏

[hollow ibex]

sometimes i choose not to use medicae if an event is starting

[clever niche]

I’ve seen a zealot used a charge, immediately bonked by crusher right after and died

[hollow ibex]

because i'll prob need it later

[slow spade]

I often double-dip because if I go down, the team goes down

[clever niche]

How about triple dip

[hollow ibex]

or your team is going down because you double dipped and took all the ammo

[bitter turtle]

That too sometimes

[hollow ibex]

heresy

[bitter turtle]

If I finished picking up ppl like 5 times

Sorry but I'm gonna prioritize myself

[slow spade]

Purposely get hit by poxwalker twice just to use the entire machine UwU

[clever niche]

Training immunity to pox

[hollow ibex]

my favorite is when i'm saving the medicae for later in the event

i'm down to a sliver of health, go back, and find that the recon main has double dipped

i go down, and the team folds immediately after that

[clever niche]

https://tenor.com/view/betrayal-gif-21942305

[bitter turtle]

I've found that it's not worth saving the medicae usually unless you just don't need it

[clever niche]

I use it to avoid going down in the first place

[bitter turtle]

Like if I'm at a low hp but have my wound still

[clever niche]

Longevity is what medipack is for

[bitter turtle]

I just use it

[hollow ibex]

it's always a situational analysis

[bitter turtle]

Saying oh but I still have my wound is just relying on other ppl to pick me up if things go wrong

[hollow ibex]

never a "you must use it now" or "you must save it later"

[clever niche]

We should make “you should heal yourself now” meme

[bitter turtle]

And unironically the best way to win ive found is say fuck my team

If they go down don't try to save them if it's risky

[slow spade]

Real vet mains have most meds used 💪💪

[bitter turtle]

Never expect anything

Just res later

[slow spade]

Same

Works well in aurics

[clever niche]

Sometimes yeet a dude off a cliff because he has full corruption and no medicae in sight

[tall torrent]

I couldn’t find a template with the pink sunset background

[umbral granite]

Brunt is trying to sell me garbage...

12% stability

[clever niche]

Put vet mask on it and we’re golden

[dawn garnet]

this is the good knife right?

[hollow ibex]

they're both good

just different

mk6 uses more heavies for horde clear, and push attack for single target

mk3 uses lights for horde clear, and heavies for single target

[misty vigil]

new revolver 🙂

@elder fiber you like 😄

[elder fiber]

mk14 is p fun on deadshot + tag build

[dawn garnet]

thanks ill see how it goes when i can afford to roll it

[umbral scaffold]

Yes but not 380 good

Remember mobility is top tier needed

If anything even if pen is at 60 you must have mobility at 80

If not you won’t get a good knife

[dawn garnet]

I dont see myself realistically getting anything better

[umbral scaffold]

Keep it still man

It’s really good

[dawn garnet]

ye

[umbral scaffold]

But I had a 380 one with 80 in all and 64in. Pen

[hollow ibex]

i think mobility on knife is more important than it is on most other melee weapons

but imo still takes a backseat to the damage stats

[umbral scaffold]

It’s important for all melee weapons

In general

[hollow ibex]

not at all

most hardly benefit

[umbral scaffold]

Dodge distance+ recovery+ and speed

[hollow ibex]

or straight up doesn't matter

[umbral scaffold]

Yes it is

If you compare even powe sword with low mobility then yes

[hollow ibex]

mobility is the dump stat for like 80% of the weapons in the game lol

[umbral scaffold]

Shits difference night and day

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not

Damage is more of a dump stat

[bitter turtle]

you just want 50 so you dont lsoe a dodge

[umbral scaffold]

It’s the biggest dump stat

[hollow ibex]

oh ok

that makes ense

my bad for engaging seriously

[umbral scaffold]

Even if it’s single shot weapons

[umbral scaffold]

Nah you good chief

[umbral scaffold]

You want it min 70

Trust me

It’s pretty much needed

Having the ability to NOT TAKE DAMAGE

AT THE HIGEST DEGREE

Is always preferred

[somber axle]

I thought it was around 60 mobility to make sure you don't lose a dodge

[timid otter]

Mobility is defintely the dump stat beyond 50

[bitter turtle]

80 vs 50 mobility dodge distance

https://i.gyazo.com/977d9d22f442b1b8406638689966f216.jpg

lol

[timid otter]

It has a very minor differnence

[bitter turtle]

yeah im sure this is more important than losing oneshot thresholds on v7

[white minnow]

power sword does like its mobility and also because it has another dump stat in the form of cleave targets

[bitter turtle]

if you can even uh

see it

lmao

[white minnow]

but mobility is whatevs for basically every other melee weapon

because of how dodges work

[bitter turtle]

its 50 usually

you can make sure in the inspect screen

[white minnow]

it's not that important to physically move out of an attack

[somber axle]

That's good to know

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt even help you do that

can you even see the difference

that's 50 vs 80 mobility

on my screen

lmao

i started from the same bolt in the ground to measure

and did a side dodge

[timid otter]

Like damage scales from 0% extra damage to 33% extra damage

[white minnow]

yeah the dodge distance variance is not that much for the most part

[bitter turtle]

just for fun

https://i.gyazo.com/abd95ab48ed27ef2fc09f1c37aa50d78.jpg

i did 0 mobility too

can you tell which one is 0

if i didnt tell you it was the bottom one

oh no i lose a fraction of a fraction of a meter, unplayable compared to losing all my bps 😔

damage dump stat :^)

[somber axle]

I mean yeah you're both kinda right. Depending on the weapon and the ilvl damage stat only matters up to getting an important break point and tbh the right/good perks/blessings will have more collective impact on a weapon with 70% damage stat vs 80% damage stat most of the time and anything extra is just funny big number and like maybe 4% more damage per hit when fighting monstrosities or something

[bitter turtle]

that's not called

"damage is a dump stat"

[timid otter]

More damage is usally better considering how many enemies exist within the game

[bitter turtle]

that's called you need to hit x threshold

[somber axle]

mobility too low and missing a dodge is very bad too

[bitter turtle]

well yes

i said 50 mobility minimum is best

the rest should go to damage

plus

do you really want to ride ride on the threshold

what if they nerf the gun lmao

[timid otter]

5% will usally get a damage threshold within somewhere of all the myriads of combos, attack chains crits, headshots.

[somber axle]

higher damage just means easier to hit break points

[white minnow]

and not having to do breakpoint testing cuz screw that

[bitter turtle]

i'd rather have a buffer if the gun is nerfed than get 0.00000001 m more distance on my dodge ngl

[somber axle]

but if you're already at all your breakpoints the extra damage is meaningless beyond a tiny bit more on bosses

[bitter turtle]

yes

but can you even name a scenario like that

and a number

its a pain to test every single one and then try to ride on the threshold

its a pain if you have loadout mod and flat out unrealistic if you dont