veteran-class

[wanton dawn]

Well, it was "bug fixing" so i guess i had the right idea

Cuz it could have gone either way

[raw steppe]

they should release a hard-mode darktide

where all the specials are stronger

[tiny summit]

"Oops things were extra shitty on accident"

[raw steppe]

i think that'd be fun as fuck lmao

[junior needle]

"We left it that way for literal months, oopsie woopsie"

[tiny summit]

Vet getting how many fixes for talents not working as intended

ET making you take more dmg, Shocktrooper and Recons, Leave No One Behind not working

Carapace Ragers

[junior needle]

I can only assume it was an intended change for shocktrooper and they're calling it a bug to save face

[raw steppe]

like I wouldn't make any of them have more health or be harder to dodge; but it'd be more cool to have the specials be much more punishing

[tiny summit]

Nurgle Blessed Trapper net causes corruption on hit like dog pounce

[raw steppe]

ie: mutants always slam even if they grab you into a wall, dogs instantly apply 35 corruption if the pounce lands, trapper net takes 3x as long to assist a teammate out, etc

it wouldn't make the game actually any different in terms of breakpoints and stuff

but it'd make fucking up way more punshing and more fun LOL

[tiny summit]

"Fuck you" difficulty

[junior needle]

It'd make the game more frustrating because of hitbox BS making all of those hit you when they visibly miss

[nocturne mulch]

Ommggg huge buff to helbore

Now you can bayonet charge ranged enemies and not get staggered out of it!

[wanton dawn]

No BM

[nocturne mulch]

Those assholes

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/see-you-all-in-a-month-ollie-dixon-see-you-soon-see-you-next-time-till-we-see-each-other-again-in-a-month-gif-271230979858858713

[nocturne mulch]

That's okay, bayonet still works without it, just have to take something for horde clear

And imo being able to charge ranged enemies makes up for it

[umbral scaffold]

Why have a 5inch knife cleave through 20 enemies lol

[sharp ember]

how’s no more shooter knockback feeling

[umbral scaffold]

I didn’t touch darktide yet

Waiting on content rn

Alreayd got my 380 knife and Helbore I pretty much am done

[nocturne mulch]

Because it's fun gameplay

[wanton dawn]

Sad day

At least you get the kill with redirect fire stacks

[idle swallow]

I used a shovel w/ helbore tbh so I'm probably not gonna notice it

[junior needle]

Now after getting only buffs for essentially the entire games lifespan, helbore users can experience a fraction of my pain

(It'll probably get buffed again)

[tiny summit]

Fatshark. The Krieg club demands buffs

[tall torrent]

What was ur fav that got nerfed

[wanton dawn]

Litteral first game I get downed by ninja crusher

[junior needle]

In the arms of an angel, fly away from here

[fresh saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[tall torrent]

Oh speaking of
They fixed the front pouch for Krieg coat and messed up the back

[balmy flume]

Right time to try some Recon Lasgun fun

[junior needle]

They're technically better than last patch at least

[wanton dawn]

close range blessing seems... closer range ?

[tiny summit]

Oh so that's why you've been like this

[junior needle]

I was poopooing on recons before the talent patch

I wasted tons of mats pre crafting patch trying to make an infernus recon

Found out they were DOGSHIT

[tiny summit]

[junior needle]

Seems to be the same, at least when proccing deathspitter/ff

[wanton dawn]

maybe its cuz i play standard damnation

idk, it feels weird

[umbral scaffold]

I see the appeal of Unyl but overall I just suggest doing 10 on specialist and 10 on elites

[umbral scaffold]

It was alreayd fun to stab people and stagger a maniac

[wanton dawn]

Wat ?

[timid otter]

Specialists sucks

maniacs is specialists but better.

[slow spade]

The only non-maniac is the hound

Always take +25% maniacp

[stone folio]

eh on melee weapons its not THAT important

[wanton dawn]

Wat ?

[timid otter]

Highly depends

I wouldnt take tanners words over everything

MK 6 power sword for example likes maniacs for mutant 1 shot, dreg rager 2 shot.

[raw steppe]

maniac is really good on guns

it's pretty good on melee if you're expecting to kill ragers and mutants

but I wouldn't take it on weapons where you are planning to shoot the ragers

like knife for example, gets more mileage out of not using +maniac

[hollow ibex]

Idk I knife mutants all the time

And maniac is definitely helpful there

[raw steppe]

ye you're pretty much exclusively running it for mutants at that point

[hollow ibex]

Shooting muties feels like a waste of ammo

[raw steppe]

and there's better perk options in that case

[umbral garnet]

I one shot WP maniacs with a heavy using knife

And it works wonders when you're block striking between rager combos

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah that too

[raw steppe]

right but the one-shot breakpoint on something like a trapper/flamer doesn't really matter

[hollow ibex]

Though I tend to just shoot ragers

[raw steppe]

and most of the time you'll just be shooting ragers

[umbral garnet]

COWARDS

BOTH OF YOU

[raw steppe]

compared to a weapon like ps6 where maniacs gets quite a lot of value

because you can just stab the ragers instead of shooting them

[wanton dawn]

Alright ppl, one precision: I PLAY BAYONET HELLBORE

[timid otter]

Speaking of bps what are your opinions on the best perks on mk13 chainsword

[wanton dawn]

and who recommend elite and specialist togheter nowadays ?

[timid otter]

I think im wrong on flak, elites being the best perks on it

[umbral garnet]

Flak and Manianc is just lol

[umbral garnet]

Mmmm

Which one though

1, 2 or 3

[raw steppe]

flak maniac covers the most enemy types, but if you're not going to bother hitting a certain enemy type, your priorities change

[timid otter]

On mk13?

I dont think mk13 has any use of maniacs

[umbral garnet]

It lets you one shot light flak ragers with a special

I think it's neat.

[raw steppe]

flak ragers aren't maniac

[wanton dawn]

I posted the weapon idk what to tell

[umbral garnet]

Yeah, they're flak

[wanton dawn]

Man I am confused

[umbral garnet]

Where

[raw steppe]

probably some combination of like unarmored/flak/infested

[umbral garnet]

Oh I read flak

Mb

[raw steppe]

I'm pretty sure you kill mutants in 1 rev

[wanton dawn]

Like 4 scroll above, about an hour ago

[raw steppe]

and i'm pretty sure you kill bulwarks/reapers in one rev without anything as well

[timid otter]

Ye you do with heavies atleast

[umbral garnet]

This one?

[timid otter]

Reapers is a no

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[umbral garnet]

Ok, yeah, that seems good on a Mk1

[timid otter]

I think you could get it with a talent like desperado

[wanton dawn]

Idk I get pinged in game to get some strange advice from everywhere

[timid otter]

Bulwarks is a barely missed 1 shot

[raw steppe]

prob with 30% weakspot

or desperado

[timid otter]

This is with precision strikes, superitority complex btw

[raw steppe]

you hit the bp

[umbral garnet]

Man who cares USE SHOVEL

[timid otter]

The testing im doing

[umbral garnet]

SHOVEL GAMING

WOOOOOOOO

[wanton dawn]

I just posted the weapon to demonstrate that I could no longer reach OS on some stuff after losing BM on bayo

[umbral garnet]

BM?

[wanton dawn]

Well, i could If i took maniac specialist but that is a waste

[wanton dawn]

Brutal momentum

[umbral garnet]

On a bayo?

[austere pine]

hist got hands

this mission doubly so

[wanton dawn]

BM applied to bayo for like, 6 months ?

[umbral garnet]

I had no idea.

If you had it on your melee?

[raw steppe]

remind me of the differences between them again?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[raw steppe]

i think 13 has better rev

[umbral garnet]

That's fucking wild

[raw steppe]

and worse normal attacks?

[umbral garnet]

Ah well, I never used it so

[timid otter]

precision strikes is the 30% weakspot, superitority complex is 15% elites

[raw steppe]

no i meant the chs diffs

[timid otter]

mk13 is the more single target focused one

[umbral garnet]

Mine still has excellent horde clear.

[timid otter]

More strikedown attacks, higher rev damage.

[umbral garnet]

I just light spam in a horde and it works wonders.

Using rampage and uhh the one that gives you cleave on hit

Wrath

[timid otter]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S6fRBvHazuv9qM-jOTU4lXZCxcarcoGWfV_vmSOfK0I/edit#heading=h.v87at5fpj7z5

I tried to document every best perk on all the weapons for veteran

[austere pine]

i think this is an objectively hillarious find

[umbral garnet]

LMAO

[bleak jackal]

how are the new powerswords?

[umbral garnet]

Just the same.

Messes up Mk6 light combo a bit but you can just block cancel.

[timid otter]

The mk13 power sword sucks

It stuns you in place whenever you use powered up, its powered attack is 80% weaker then the mk6, mk3.

[umbral garnet]

Mk6 my beloved

[bleak jackal]

i see,

the effect on shocktrooper? still the same?

[slow spade]

Recons can use it now

[umbral garnet]

Nope, they fixed the Recons

[slow spade]

Everyone else is the same

[bleak jackal]

so i can run Recon in Damnation now yes?

[umbral garnet]

You can certainly try.

[slow spade]

Normal damnation

[bleak jackal]

enough for me

[slow spade]

I wouldn't try anything higher like shock gauntlet

[slow spade]

Remember to make the recon a crit build with shocktrooper

[umbral garnet]

Would duck and dive synergise with Stripped down

To just make you completely immune to range fire lmao

[slow spade]

Yes but Duck and Dive is primarily for Deadshot

[umbral garnet]

Mmm, true

[slow spade]

So having all 3 would be ideal

[umbral garnet]

Well, deadshot on a MK5 columnus would be

Ehhh

[slow spade]

I do

[umbral garnet]

A bit rough.

[slow spade]

I use a single +3 stam curio and run all stam regen on my curios

No issues keeping stam up besides bosses

[umbral garnet]

Well, yeah, I do that too.

But deadshot on a Columnus Mk5?

I suppose it would work.

[slow spade]

Yeah what else are you using stam for?

[bleak jackal]

the recons have the same problems like the autocannons yes?

the little one ist the best?

[raw steppe]

deadshot colum is really really strong lol

[timid otter]

It has crit strings irc.

[umbral garnet]

Running around

Lmao

[timid otter]

Infantry autoguns are also remarkable in weak spot damage, critical damage especially with the hidden mechanic of crit strings, which is when a crit happens multiple crits proceed after it. Crits within a string cannot proc new crit strings.

[slow spade]

Then you have Duck and Dive

[umbral garnet]

Well, I have a knife so

[raw steppe]

it's pretty competitive with a meta plasma build from my testing

[umbral garnet]

Yeah, my stam regen would be nuts anyway.

[bleak jackal]

but the big one sounds way cooler

[umbral garnet]

I see

I seeeeeeeee

[timid otter]

Agrippina mk 1 has a crit string of 2,
Colomnus has a crit string of 4
Graia has a crit string of 3.

-2% base crit chance on all of them

[slow spade]

Yeah its only a problem in situations where low stam isn't a problem

[umbral garnet]

It's on a stealth build so let me try this out

[slow spade]

Remember to not die

[umbral garnet]

Not on a run

Lmao

Not that confident.

[slow spade]

:p

[umbral garnet]

Psyk

[slow spade]

Coward

[umbral garnet]

I don't wanna let a team down/

Not yet, at least.

[raw steppe]

you can't

the build is so busted

[slow spade]

You got this hot shot 💪

[raw steppe]

deadshot colum does like 2x the damage of non-deadshot lol

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[slow spade]

On top of better armor pen, better accuracy, and easier to control recoil

[raw steppe]

The only requirement is that you do need specific pathing and curios

36% stam regen is mandatory, and +3 is nice to have, but I personally run hp over it.

[umbral garnet]

I have 34% stam regen on this with a +3 alongside it

[slow spade]

+9 stam from Curios, sprint efficiency and stam regen on all of them 💪💪💪

[umbral garnet]

Other two are +wound and 20% health

[slow spade]

Emperor bless these legs

[raw steppe]

ye you can skip the wounds lol

[slow spade]

Wound and hp are bad sadly

Especially now with fire not destroying toughness

[raw steppe]

hp is good

[umbral garnet]

PLUS 6 STAMINA IT IS

[slow spade]

Compared to toughness on Vet?

[raw steppe]

yep lol

[slow spade]

Not even close

[raw steppe]

you want to hit 2 hp breakpoints

you want to avoid the poxburster breakpoint and avoid the sniper breakpoint

[slow spade]

Yeah by having more toughness to reduce damage taken

[raw steppe]

facepalm

[slow spade]

Stealth vet having issues with burster and sniper?

[raw steppe]

did you know that if VoC overshield isn't up, both of those ignore toughness

[slow spade]

Come on now

[slow spade]

Yeah which is why you have stealth and a gun

[umbral garnet]

I don't have iron will on this build but who needs it amirite

[raw steppe]

oh god you're telling people to run stealth unironically lol

ok bye

[umbral garnet]

No, I am playing it in this context.

[slow spade]

Bro didn't read his build...

[umbral garnet]

He did not ask me to play stealth

I just mentioned it.

[slow spade]

Braindead moment

But yeah hp vs toughness argument continues forever

[umbral garnet]

I would not wish on anyone to play a stealth vet

[slow spade]

As for Ironwill, shooters will be pain

But hopefully you have the +5% toughness regen when no enemies nearly talent

Lets you trade with them and pick up Survivalist

[raw steppe]

ah yeah depends if you're trying to make a good build or if you're trying to meme

[umbral garnet]

Woops

I hard focused right tree

I'll rebuild next round

[slow spade]

Don't worry it is a difficult point cost

Difficult*

[umbral garnet]

Duly noted.

[slow spade]

Not sure what your tree looks like but stealth builds are stretched thin 😔

[umbral garnet]

Extremely.

I can send a pic afterwards and maybe make you cry

[wanton dawn]

Met an impressive heavy laspistol user rn

[foggy ice]

god tier horde clearing weapon

[oblique cedar]

what do I swap out here lads? Shattering Impact?

[raw steppe]

crit

[junior needle]

Getting your perks in order for one shot consistency is the most important

But if you didn't have to do that, you'd get rid of shattering because it's basically useless on plasma

[oblique cedar]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[junior needle]

Stealth as a mechanic is very good, just not nearly as good for everyone compared to VOC overshield.

[oblique cedar]

but I think I don't get one shots in some cases so maybe perk is a better idea

[junior needle]

I'd take stealth vet over exe vet

[raw steppe]

stealth is simply not good enough atm

comparatively

due to numbers and pathing

[last jolt]

@wraith pivot

[junior needle]

It does have less attractive pathing

[wraith pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-better-call-saul-finale-walking-gene-takovic-gif-26502423

[junior needle]

The ability itself is good though

[wanton dawn]

Clean after yourself before you leave

[junior needle]

There's a lot of tuning to be done for a lot of talent trees

Right side vet is loaded with some wacky shit

[wraith pivot]

stop pinging me bro i cant wash off the stench

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/gran-torino-clint-eastwood-eww-gross-yuck-gif-3556262

Kinda funny that most chat have their own little population that never really mix together

[last parcel]

smells like victory

[slow spade]

Can love bloom? Even on Discord shitposts?

[wanton dawn]

Depend for who

[wise fossil]

Ogryn talant tree is really pretty awful too

[austere pine]

bros. look at what brunt offered me

it's gone...

[umbral garnet]

This is off topic sorry but

I just joined a game with another player

Just us two and they ask in chat

"r u black?"

That was strange.

[junior needle]

Well, are you?

[umbral garnet]

No.

But still

Strange.

[junior needle]

Welcome to the internet

[umbral garnet]

I know the internet's weird but

That is just

I dunno.

What's the max amount of toughness percentage you can get on a curio again

[junior needle]

17%

[balmy flume]

I want to like the Accatran.
But I have just been locked into IAG for too long lol.

[austere pine]

recon or infantry?

(don't do recon please)

[balmy flume]

Accatran is Recon Lasgun as a whole.
Thought the update made them alright, but they still…are meh.

Agri Infantry Autogun is still my go-to

I should consider building a Brauto at some point…

(But I admit my old ass eyes like having the torch for darker places)

[hollow ibex]

Braced is very fun if you just want to hold down lmb the entire match

[junior needle]

Yeah there's no accatran iag

You technically get double the value out of shocktrooper compared to last patch, but still 2/5 the value of patch 13 shocktrooper.

[fiery thorn]

can someone explain the power sword change?

[untold mulch]

I wonder if next patch, will keep touching Recon

Because for some godforsaken reason, Fatshark compartmentalizes the patchs in such a weird way

[wanton dawn]

r u white though ?

[junior needle]

Crit strings gone entirely
Max infernus stacks increased by 1 on each tier
We'll see if helldivers buff the laser weapons before fatshark does

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/h3-h3h3-h3halloween-h3podcast-love-h3-gif-23614620

Man those discord gif are something

[untold mulch]

I fucking hope so

Using the Scythe is shooting myself in the feet

[wanton dawn]

Am having tons of fun with bolter these days

Idk why specifically

Well, besides killing tons of ranged elite ofc

[lucid hinge]

@radiant chasm here

[balmy flume]

Fucking.
Fucking hound push shoved me off a ledge -.-

[umbral garnet]

Yes

[wooden brook]

See, if you were asian, it WOULD matter... for some reason, asians are just really good at gaming.

[junior needle]

You're thinking of koreans

They get stereotyped for that

because esports capital

[muted prairie]

if you power up, swing 3 times (specifically just 3 times) then start swinging again, it'll go left swing, diagonal swing, strong down swing

pretty sure it's not a nerf or buff, it just kinda changes up the way your swinging works to give you a strikedown every 6th attack, lotta damage on a single target but not great against hordes

you can go back to the classic swinging just by block cancelling when you activate. that's just for the psword 6 tho, i haven't touched a psword 3 in literal months

[junior needle]

The strikedown is a bit superfluous with the nature of the power sword

But it does give you access to it, which it didn't have before

[fossil basalt]

Cannae believe they buffed fixed smokes

[wanton dawn]

Load time are way faster nah ?

[soft solstice]

oh, I didn't even realize smoke got buffed, they might almost do their job now

[wanton dawn]

It has some appllication

[fiery thorn]

is that with power cycler?

[junior needle]

I could just hit it twice with the regular attacks

[wanton dawn]

power cycler does not matter in this case

[junior needle]

But I will smack the air for a bit for the strikedown for style points

[soft solstice]

so if you hit the weapon special while attacking with the power sword while it's already powered up, it does a special swing? that's what it reads like

[wanton dawn]

The basic idea is that on your normal 1-2-3 hit, you get a new charge chain that start from 2nd hit forward

[fiery thorn]

I read it the same, but it doesn't behave that way...

[wanton dawn]

So the 3rd hit from this chain is the strikedown

[soft solstice]

and by the sounds of it, if you do so it'd start out on the second hit of the swing combo instead of resetting back to the original

[pulsar radish]

Hmm I wonder should I go for carapace/flak or carapace/Unyielding for my columns.

[junior needle]

Can you one shot the mutie with the heavy?

[fiery thorn]

there're 4 swings in your clip which makes it more...confusing...

[soft solstice]

so with the mk6 power sword, it goes light light light heavy which means that the final hit can never get buffed even with power cycle 4, but if you do the charge mid way, it starts in the second light, so it goes light light heavy

[wanton dawn]

When you hit nothing the charges do not go

[junior needle]

Strikedowns aren't heavies, just fyi

[soft solstice]

i mean strikedown, it does big damage

[junior needle]

Yes, but vertical hit means you're sacrificing cleave

[wanton dawn]

Heavies does more damage than strikedown so yes

But light have more stun

its weird

[soft solstice]

i guess you can do a quick heavy attack if you want to maintain pure horde clear

[junior needle]

Or just keep doing your normal lights

[fiery thorn]

so...nothing changed for mk3 PS?

[soft solstice]

so the horde clear combo is light light light, charge, light light heavy so you avoid the strikedown

mk3 had the same change but I still think it doesn't have the block cancel that the 6 has, and I also don't know it's swing pattern

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, the push attack exists

Which kinda just invalidates the strikedown and the heavy

So the change just makes it harder to spam horizontal lights for no reason

[soft solstice]

the mk3 power sword only has 2 swings in each combo so I don't get the difference unless the second swing in the combo has a slight difference to it

i guess this is a better nerf to the power sword than removing power cycle again and making the weapon not worth using ever?

[junior needle]

No real difference, it just comes out at a different side

I assume fatshark thought they were doing something cool but ended up making things worse

[wanton dawn]

block cancelling isnt that difficult though

[junior needle]

It's not, but it's extra tedium that wasn't there before

[fiery thorn]

I don't "get" mk6 which is why I goes mk3

may be that's what mk6 is patched lol

[junior needle]

Not much to get

You charge and spam light attacks

And you can do a push attack to obliterate hard targets

[soft solstice]

is the new strikedown that much stronger at least?

[junior needle]

Also it has more block efficiency

It's not new

[soft solstice]

i can already kill rager groups in like 2/3 powered swings already

[junior needle]

Its been there the whole time, nobody wanted to use it even when cycler was 5 hits

[soft solstice]

isn't ps not able to power up the strikedown ever since it's the 4th hit in the combo and you can only get 3 buffed hits?

[wanton dawn]

Nobody used it cuz it has no particular advantage over the mk3. And a worse charge animation

Now it has a super strong push attack and better block efficiency. And block cancelling animation

[soft solstice]

i thought people liked the mk6 more the entire time

[serene orbit]

same

[wanton dawn]

Ppl that were used to the mk3 would not switch''

new user would often go toward the mk6

Honestly the difference was marginal anyway

[soft solstice]

wasn't the mk6 the original though?

[wanton dawn]

That's exactly why I am saying that new user would go toward the mk6

No, mk3 was first

[foggy wadi]

been weeks and i still have not been able to find a toughness over 16%. 😦

[ionic hull]

just read the notes does this mean the recon las is decent again?

[junior needle]

Nope

They still have their poor baseline performance and required talent taxes to try and alleviate it. Shocktrooper is twice as good as it was last patch, but still only 2/5 as effective as it used to be.

There's also a loss of damage performance (and subsequently ammo efficiency) due to the crit string reductions as well.

[ionic hull]

oooof

was hoping i could actually was gonna be able to use my 550recon again

[junior needle]

I mean you can, it's a bit better than last patch. But only a bit.

[ionic hull]

thats fair lmao

[tiny summit]

It's like...less shit

[urban steppe]

so whats a new about a power sword ?

[timid otter]

Charge rate affects the amount of heat generated by the plasma...

The higher charge rate the more heat it generates.

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1209852128957300757/image.png?ex=65e86d99&is=65d5f899&hm=88612442a55ed4bfd8ed42ff9fb291c9542bbbe83a22661f1b9202e36b9ed736&
The Monkey's Paw has curled another finger... You want Scion armor? Sure thing! But gut armor is removed and the gauntlets are gone.

[terse idol]

I'm gonna cope

Its not out yet

It cannot be the scion armour

[midnight mortar]

😔

[terse idol]

It isn't even the same colour as the helmet we got

Some dev is tricking the dataminers

I'm putting my tinfoil hat on

[midnight mortar]

I hope you're right.

[deep fable]

"Removed push force applied from shots by Scab/Dreg Shooters and Scab/Dreg Gunners."

[terse idol]

No no no wait wait wait, it has a neck garter

[deep fable]

this is enormous

[midnight mortar]

Yep.

Which makes it that much more likely it's meant to be paired with that scion helmet.

[terse idol]

[tiny summit]

[sleek zodiac]

I am really not understanding the new power sword activation thing. Is this like a Max Act thing because I am not sure what kind of timing I'm going for.

[tall torrent]

wtf no gloves that’s cringe

[late hatch]

activate, immediately block to cancel anim, then push atk or let go of block and start swinging

[tall torrent]

Is this newly added with Patch17?

[midnight mortar]

It's been datamined, but it's not ready for release yet would be my guess. So it's not going to be in the shop tomorrow.

[tall torrent]

I need them to release some actual armor for veteran

[sleek zodiac]

Still doesn't seem to be working for me but I appreciate the help though.

[torpid pier]

"Fixed issue where Veteran base Aura “Scavenger” was stacking with the upgraded “Survivalist” Aura." I hope this won't be a massive nerf

[terse idol]

i'm coping rn

BECAUSE THE ARMOUR DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME COLOUR AS THE SCION HELMET

PLEASE SAVE US

[strong hound]

the wording of the power sword activation is confusing or im bad at comprehension. does it mean that while its powered. or it can be activated mid combo

[tall torrent]

I’m ok if they release any kind of green/black solid armor for veteran

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Because then it wouldn’t pair that bad

[terse idol]

I mean, I guess they're going for this

If I can get the mask and beret

Oh hell yeah

Okay okay you know what

I can get behind this

I wished it was well a stronger colour but sure

[terse idol]

@untold mulch I think this is what they're going for so like

Eh, I think this is fine

I hope they add the beret and mask though 🥹

Well hmm, yeah

I mean

[untold mulch]

I have abandoned all hope

[terse idol]

This is literally the scions

[untold mulch]

Homie

You cant drop that

Without nsfw tag

[misty quest]

that's just an asset

The way cosmetic works is there's a base item and under neath it are separate lines that add attachments like gloves, accessories and so on

[untold mulch]

Leg need armor

But waist up dear lord

[misty quest]

then another line that applies camo

[terse idol]

I think this is fine

We'll see

Like we can't bust up the scion armour for literally being scion armour

[sleek zodiac]

That's what I want to know. It read to me like you activate, swing, activate again in mid-swing and get another powered up swing. But I'm wondering if it just means that you can activate it in mid-combo but still only get the one powered swing.

[tall torrent]

I prefer the normal helmet look

[junior needle]

Dunno how many times I need to tell people

[terse idol]

Either or is fine

[junior needle]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[terse idol]

I think people are over reacting to what is datamined

Because it's literally SCION armour

[misty quest]

its not the full cosmetic

[terse idol]

Not the cadia armour people datamined

[misty quest]

just the body armor asset

[terse idol]

Yeah, and we got ONE scion helmet

So we can safetly assume the armour is gonna be similar to what we got

[tall torrent]

what is sefoni cooking

"more soldiers are coming"

[slow spade]

warp spawn time :D

[misty quest]

dont worry at least you got neck tubing for your scion helmet that doesn come with it for some reason

[white minnow]

just a cosmetic change besides a mild combo change for the Mk6 w/o block cancelling

the timings are still the same

[strong hound]

oh weird ok

[wooden lotus]

yeah

it's just mid-combo charging so u dont reset ur swings in the chain

[white minnow]

prolly just setting the stage for a future change

[empty kettle]

She talked about xenos for me. Pretty cool change

[serene bough]

love sefoni now

[terse idol]

The reasoning I can ssee noow

Is because they wanted it on the chest piece

Okay okay

It all makes sense

still kinda cringe no gloves though

and the miss-match on this armour with other helmets is gonna be soo weird

[tall torrent]

I think sefoni has different dialogues depending on what character you enter meat grinder with

[umbral granite]

Is it weird that i find the sound of a crusher's shield being broken by the slug-shotguns special fire extremely satisfying?

like... the same way you would when you hear an M1 Garand ping

[soft solstice]

How are people feeling about new smokes?

[lost portal]

I think my Helllbore build works

[rain badger]

[orchid condor]

Anyone got the weird grainy thingy graphic after the update?

[lucid pasture]

AUGH THAT'S A LETDOWN

[glad quest]

What is the Veteran meta build?

[tiny summit]

bruh why does mag dumping the shredder pistol slow you more than an autogun

[tiny summit]

Survivalist and VoC Middle tree down. Columnus IAG. Plasma. PS6 w/ PC4. A god tier rashad caxe

[tribal tangle]

who got the ohpee shovel build?

[celest vine]

Whatever you have fun with at this point

[tribal tangle]

using sapper 7

[celest vine]

Everything but the recon las does well

[abstract moth]

Hey guys do you know what are the best blessings for the duelling sword?

[tribal tangle]

may be better to ask in da psyker channel

[abstract moth]

Is useless, I always get snoobed out. Here I've always get answers. That's why is my favorite chat. And veteran is my main

[glad quest]

thanks

[tiny summit]

well uncanny and one of the on dodge bonus

[hollow ibex]

On dodge blessings 🤮

[tiny summit]

finesse or crit chance, but uncanny is the important one especially to poke maulers/crushers to death

I mean the window is so huge its free dmg

[abstract moth]

Got it, thanks

[toxic leaf]

you know ive been wondering if the melk dialogue for veteran and ogryn is mixed up

[junior needle]

Shredder pistol is also doing quite poorly

[tall torrent]

Today I realized that adjusting HUD scale changes crosshair size in this game

[slow spade]

lol

[tall torrent]

100% vs 50% HUD size, minimum crosshair size before firing

The 50% one is so much more intuitive to aim with

[junior needle]

There's a mod to change your crosshair

[tall torrent]

Am too lazy for specific mods

[timid otter]

Do flak unarmored, decimator and skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

I only rly cared abt performance

[junior needle]

Then you will suffer the horrible ui and qol of fartshart

The price of your indolence

[tribal tangle]

using hammerblow thrust

[tall torrent]

UI is fine? Kinda?

And once I figure out that 50% hud is cleaner with crosshairs I’m frankly quite ok with it

[timid otter]

Weirdly enough weakspot damage is actually pretty good on the mk 7 shovel

Assumeing its well statted.

Because it gives a 1 shot bp on mutants.

[rough palm]

Absolute BS lol

[timid otter]

This is with precision strikes equipped which im assumeing you are rather either way.

Very rare to see a vet build that wouldnt be running precision strikes.

If more melee damage talents then precision strikes its unnesecary to pick weak spot damage.

[tribal tangle]

think i should stack the brittleness thing vet has?

[timid otter]

what do you mean?

[tribal tangle]

theres a perk that gives brittleness on continued hits, its on the momentum side

srry mid game

[timid otter]

Nah that sucks

exploit weakness is bad

Barely helps with any breakpoints.

[tribal tangle]

fair

[timid otter]

Onslaught doesnt give enough brittlness to matter for shovel.

Its good on ranged weapons mainly that are rapid fire.

[tribal tangle]

not good for the special but what about the clear you think

[timid otter]

Brittleness is mainly to reduce armor rating.

[tribal tangle]

icic

[timid otter]

It helps vs flak, carapace.

Low output against unarmored, infested, maniac.

[white minnow]

well, it doesn't affect unarmoured and infested at all

brittleness (rending) has zero effect on them

[tall torrent]

no

[tribal tangle]

only be relevent on the flak dregs and whatnot but meh not worth overall

[tall torrent]

brittleness (rending) works the same for carapace/maniac/flak/unyielding

[tiny summit]

gave the VIIa recon a try and smokes in Exe MF. Underwhelming

[tall torrent]

it's just that once u reach 100% ADM (armor dmg modifier), it converts into dmg at 0.25x effectiveness

some weapons are better vs flak but shit vs maniac (headhunter autoguns, laspistols)
some weapons are better vs maniac but shit vs flak (infantry lasguns)

it all depends

also @tiny summit I gave smokes a go and they're actually alright

gives u a 5m radius area covered in smoke (yes pretty small) where if concealed, enemies will not try to shoot u
also makes specialists that rely on LoS (trappers & flamers) take some extra time before they start their attacks

I do think it needs tinkerer though

going from 15s to 30s is a massive improvement, the base 15s is pretty meh but 30s is actually incredible

[hollow ibex]

So it’s like bubble shield now

But maybe a bit worse?

[white minnow]

guaranteed longer duration at least

since bubble will last a minimum of 6s if a bunch of ranged enemies are popping at it

[hollow ibex]

Yeah though I’d still prob rate it a bit worse

Still way better than before

It sounds like

An actually viable option

[white minnow]

hell yeah

[tiny summit]

I would say different use. Psyker bubble can technically be bursted down with enough enemy fire, smoke halts enemy fire

[tribal tangle]

Alright i need a good build for the mk 7 sapper, ill screencap my shovel in a sec getting out of a game

[tiny summit]

just had a game, throwing them at a group of shooters down the hall basically rendered them useless and a non factor as we dealt with the horde that came at us

[hollow ibex]

That’s pretty cool

[tiny summit]

reapers will just...stop

[hollow ibex]

I’ll need to give it a shot

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn brain confused

[tiny summit]

its like they went into passive, non-aggro mode again

[tribal tangle]

Who has the build? I dont use shovels at all

[tiny summit]

but Exe MF Recon? Still underwhelming. Guess it shouldnt be a surprise since it got no actual dmg buffs but it is substainally better with its ammo sustain

[crimson pebble]

So can someone expain the change they did too power swords too me like im stupid

[tiny summit]

lets you energize in the middle of attack chains

basically thats it

[tall torrent]

better than dome at pure anti-gunfire

because it can't get destroyed unlike dome

[tiny summit]

twinned blast needs a unique interaction with smokes though because...its just so stupid

[crimson pebble]

Is it noticeably better or

[white minnow]

simply peak value

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s what it sounds like

[tall torrent]

it also makes flamers & trappers enter idiot mode when they enter a smoke you're standing in

they'll be extra confused before they start their atks

[tiny summit]

non factor. You basically get more varied animations more often since your attack chain doesnt reset on energize between swings

[tall torrent]

there's a buff icon on bottom that you can see if you're concealed by smoke or not

[white minnow]

yeah the chaining activation is p much just cosmetic

the timings are stil the same

[junior needle]

I wouldn't say substantially

[tiny summit]

I guess my bar was in the gutter

[tall torrent]

bottom left

[tiny summit]

its better how about that?

[junior needle]

It is indeed better

Shocktrooper has double the value it used to for them last patch but

[tiny summit]

mutants that run through smoke will stare into a corner and contemplate their heresy

[junior needle]

Less than half as good as it was p13

[tall torrent]

I think smoke is meant to be used super defensively though

[tiny summit]

it is. Its basically anti "oops all gunner" moments

[tall torrent]

it's basically psyker's dome but you can cast it very far away on a teammate that's out of position

you almost always want to drop it on either yourself or your team

and not on gunners directly

[tiny summit]

Also if Im caught out of position in the open and trying to run, drop a smoke at my feet

recon still taking Ls when MG4 iLas and MK2 Laspistol are better automatics with the mod

[tall torrent]

I haven’t had much success with throwing smokes not at my own feet tbh

[tiny summit]

situational

[tall torrent]

Even if I drop it between gunners & myself, it doesn’t work as good as just dropping it on myself

[tiny summit]

I just think of it as a pseudo barrier

[tall torrent]

The smoke “conceal” buff is what matters here I think

Which you only get by being inside smoke

[white minnow]

our character should just inhale the smoke and that'll give them the buff all the time

rip our smoke grenade like a bong

[junior needle]

The buff is lung cancer

[shadow dagger]

are the load times feeling a little long now or is it just me

[tired hornet]

The buff is looking cool and enjoying that sweet, smooth tobacco

[tiny summit]

idk but the mods no likey this update

can finally run my all nades talents with smokes build and it not be troll-y

[tired hornet]

Does your smokes build have high cigarette smell, extra tar, and improved coughing?

[tiny summit]

if my team isnt gagging and blind when we're done I didnt do my job

[golden bluff]

What is a decent gun for a vet that still runs left tree? I've been playing shoutman and sneakman for so long

[tiny summit]

helbores, autoguns, iLas

I mostly play Exe

laspistol good too

[stone forum]

What do i want with the accatran lasgun apart from infernus, does it have a crit buff blessing?

[tiny summit]

the recons...uh...dont

it does though. Theres headhunter and dumdum as good blessings

[stone forum]

Dumdum is the bonus for close kills but whats headhunter?

[tiny summit]

dumdum bonus dmg on hit and bugged and works at all ranges

headhunter adds crit chance on weakspot hit and stacks until crit and then resets

[white minnow]

not bugged since it follows what the description says

you get stacks on any unconditional hit

and you get close damage%, which is mechanically the same as what zealots anoint does

[stone forum]

So hows infernus+dumdum vs headhunter

Is the extra crit proc worth the damage loss?

[tiny summit]

infernus is kinda eh because the fire ticks slower than you just shooting them dead

[timid otter]

The faster fire recons want infernus more then the slower fire rate

[tall torrent]

infernus is not great

[stone forum]

Which pattern is that, the 8?

[tall torrent]

the fastest firing recon lasgun is MkVId (6d)

[timid otter]

6vd

[stone forum]

Thx

[golden bluff]

Hm what are the good chainsword perks? Never really gave the weapon a fair shake

[timid otter]

Which mark?

[golden bluff]

IV

[timid otter]

Flak elites

Mk4 Elites is good if running precision strikes, 15% elites as it grants a bp on dreg ragers, scab ragers. However if running any more melee damage it becomes unnecessary.

[golden bluff]

How'sabout blessings

[timid otter]

Unyielding, unarmored in that case presented are good replacements

[timid otter]

Rampage, shred, savage sweep

Can i actually just get this pinned

ping me if there are questions about the guide or critique. I need thoughts to refine it. As it’s a large document, with a lot of info compiled thereby there are sure to be mistakes

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S6fRBvHazuv9qM-jOTU4lXZCxcarcoGWfV_vmSOfK0I/edit#heading=h.v0xc5dslvla0

Its not perfect, but id say it still has good info

[granite sand]

What’s the best helbore for dam in the experience of the group?

[potent iris]

was that it? @timid otter

[junior needle]

Headhunter is the best blessing and also provides substantial synergy with infernus

Dont take infernus without hh

[stone forum]

Gotcha

Whats max burn stacks, or is it single proc?

[obsidian umbra]

does precision strikes apply to melee attacks?

[tall torrent]

Applies to all attacks you do

[sharp ember]

I like what you have going in here, one small correction about the Helbores is that it is the MK1 is the medium one and the MK2 is the fast one

[junior needle]

Depends on the tier of infernus. You'll need 3 crit strings on each recon to hit the current max burn stacks. The recons are quite bad currently, just fyi.

[junior needle]

Did you take out lacerate knife

[midnight totem]

left or right?

[junior needle]

Change left to maniacs and you're good to go

[midnight totem]

true that, I had it on elites just for kicks

stealth rambo here I come

[main ermine]

Is shock trooper fix now?

[stone forum]

Thats fine, im just having fun

[obsidian umbra]

Finally gave weapon specialist a spin and the keystone is pretty dam good especially for revolver

[trim steppe]

Both are great, sometimes I like to run Stripped Down with Duck and Dive talent for unlimited range immunity shenanigans

Probably use the left with maniac damage more often tho

[tall torrent]

Keep both tbh

[midnight totem]

def keeping both

[junior needle]

Well, you were warned

[finite imp]

"Hey guys what's your opinion on x"
"I didn't ask for your opinion."
X1000000

[forest scaffold]

11? burn stacks I think on infernus

and infernus will apply X stacks per tier

[junior needle]

It’s not an odd number anymore

Probably 12

[forest scaffold]

I dunno, I could find the exact value with a little sleuthing but meh

its somewhere around there.

Equals out to about ~300 damage per tick on a given enemy depending on stacks of thunderous/brittleness

[junior needle]

Let's not assume bug abuse

[bitter turtle]

i suggest bloodletter

[junior needle]

2 per crit and 12 stacks

[bitter turtle]

so the rev attack is worth something

the cat man suggested it to me and i liked it a lot over rampage/savage sweep

not the le funny number catman, the garbled number cat man

[floral crow]

I’m at level 27 I’m quite proud of my work

[bitter turtle]

yes soldier 69

you're the le funny number catman

[junior needle]

Max stacks: 134 per tick on maniacs with no damage bonuses, 201 to unyielding, 134 to flak

[bitter turtle]

why are there so many cat people in darktide chats

[forest scaffold]

thunderous adjusts adms

[junior needle]

I'm aware

[forest scaffold]

shooting thing with fire stacks would then have it change its adms

that just seems like it makes sense and not a bug

[junior needle]

It's not supposed to apply on dots, if the purposeful changing

of onslaught is any indicator

Which was specifically changed so it no longer applied to dots

Also it's a big if of taking it

Thunderous isn't exactly a popular blessing for general usage

[forest scaffold]

ogryns everywhere cry out in anguish

"But our debuff sticks!"

thunderous is great in that application

but yeah, least played class

[bitter turtle]

iirc, the chainaxe bleed does apply brittleness if you run the combo

[forest scaffold]

and then the weapon choice on top, and then the blessing combinations

[bitter turtle]

who knows what fatshark intends anyway

[forest scaffold]

Oh, I don't mean applying it

[bitter turtle]

they reverted the shocktrooper nerf

[forest scaffold]

just benefitting from existing rending

[bitter turtle]

because "actually this was a bug!"

[forest scaffold]

dots applying stacks of rending is dumb

that's dumb

that's really dumb

[floral crow]

Oooh man

[junior needle]

Vets typically aren't taking a thunderous melee weapon and whacking a target only to shoot something for infernus

Although I suppose you could do it for bosses

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, only ogryn is doing that which is hilarious

[junior needle]

But like, onslaught

[forest scaffold]

vet's options are uh

bolter?

anything else that applies a global or personal rending debuff?

[bitter turtle]

plasma

[forest scaffold]

does he get thunderous on uh. . . shovels?

Oh yeah, and plasma

pewpewpewpew>Full stacks of rending: Time to melee him with my bleed knife

[floral crow]

Rending is stinky

[forest scaffold]

at least ogryn gets fire bullets for the rending to be useful

rending is pretty dumb, yeah.

But it mostly comes down to a numbers thing - and the amount of access that we get.

Too much rending, that's too easy to apply.

Onslaught should get like. . . 3 stacks. Not the full 16.

[floral crow]

Interesting 🤔

[forest scaffold]

If its easy to apply: Minimal stacks

if its hard to apply: a lot of stacks

and simply shooting something should not be "a lot of stacks"

[junior needle]

For recons I strongly recommend putting headhunter in S tier alone, dumdum and infernus in A tier, and everything else pushed down for a more accurate power level representation. They also do have recoil, just very slight. But when hipfiring or being suppressed while ads, they do get nearly brauto tier bullet spread after so many shots.

Would be worth noting their lacking finesse values, crit chance stacking being better for them, and that the anti suppression node is better than average on them as well.

Between the eyes should probably be downgraded on laspistols as they're suppression immune natively atm.

[forest scaffold]

recon lasguns are the most. . . uh. . . fun. . . if you treat them like a brauto that can ads.

IE: ads for the accuracy, but be exceptionally close to people - helps if you only try to focus on ranged elites and specials with a bit of dabbling for ranged adds to create breathing room.

Good melee weapon to pair it with would be either chainsword. If you wanna brute force melee old-school style, power sword. You won't have a lot of mobility, but your ability to kill things is unmatched.

Chainsword gives you proper mobility though so you don't get bogged down

[junior needle]

Seems a bit too much misc information for a starter guide

[forest scaffold]

Sink or swim. Every ranged weapon has a melee companion that picks up its slack in one regard or another.

But I suppose you're correct.

[junior needle]

You'll have a lot debate over weapon setup particulars and there will be very little agreement.

[forest scaffold]

rashad combat axe>everything

[junior needle]

Basically

[ruby hull]

NO FATSHARK

HOW COULD YOU DO THIS

HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO MY BEAUTIFUL BAYONET YOU BASTARDS

-Fixed an issue where “Brutal Momentum” was kept active while wielding a range weapon.

ill never forgive them

[trim steppe]

Fatshark just fatsharkin'

[forest scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[forest scaffold]

what in the sam hill

[trim steppe]

What are the meta picks for the Illisi 5? Perks and blessings

[forest scaffold]

flak, maniac(Maybe carapace), unstable power, whatever you want - shred, slaughterer, deflector

[trim steppe]

is maniac definitely better than unarmored?

This is my current but I have other rolls

[forest scaffold]

if you don't really plan on playing zealot psyker, you'll probably want carapace - depends on if unarmored reaches a bruiser osbp. Not for any particular reason other than "Its already 2"

I run slaughterer and deflector on mine anyway. I don't really have the illisi out unless there's lot of things to kill so unstable power isn't particularly useful since I can just skate by with the base damage+slaughterer without needing to do peril management on top

[trim steppe]

Aight cool I wont waste any more plasteel rolling more. I wanted to make sure I wasn't building totally wacky and sleeping on some better build

[forest scaffold]

Nope. That's basically it for the illisi

"hits damage on lots of enemies, buffs damage on lots of enemies"

[alpine elk]

Guys I don’t have a single clue what the special attack on the fire shotgun is supposed to achieve

Like it seems have good pierce stagger? But nothing else seems that significant

[wanton dawn]

Sunder/bm section on powersword confuse them together

Opening salvo has a niche on shotgun special shell

Twinned blade frag has a niche on no ammo maelstrom IMO, if you have a spare point

Determined is useless on some weapon. Deserve disclaimer

Born leader is better than before. Prob does not deserve 1/5 but idc on that one

Target down deserve synergy mention with deadshot

[tall torrent]

Infinite cleave, sets a huge line-up of enemies on fire, combos well with no respite
It’s a versatile tool for zealot

[alpine elk]

just seems quite lackluster ever since it cant penetrate wallks anymore lol

takes two shots to kill trash at medium range

[lucid pasture]

This person tried to unlock your phone

[stiff glacier]

He wants more hydrogen flasks for his plasma

[lucid pasture]

Damn how'd you know

[frank basin]

Plasma user

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[lucid pasture]

Friendship ended with lasgun, plasma gun is new best friend

[frank basin]

Everyone does that

[stiff glacier]

Oh shit it overhe-boom

[lucid pasture]

I've only overheated it in a mission once, I swear

[stiff glacier]

I prefer my sergeant vet with zarona or laspistol

[frank basin]

Which mk laspistol

[stiff glacier]

Both

[wanton dawn]

Also also, my boss build was made like 1 day after release. It might be unrefined

[frank basin]

I choose heavy hitter laspistol

[stiff glacier]

Accatran with infernus or heavy are both nice

[frank basin]

Yes

[lucid pasture]

Still can't get over this lasgun I rolled from Brunt tho

[frank basin]

The stability

[lucid pasture]

It's a lasgun, if you can't compensate for the tiny amount of kick it does have, Idunno what to tell ya lmao

[frank basin]

Test see how’s strong the kick is

[lucid pasture]

It's hella easy to control when you play third person all the time

[frank basin]

Well I use full auto mod

[lucid pasture]

Oh same

[frank basin]

My Mg4

[final stone]

oh whoops

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/is-your-intel-core-i9-13900k-crashing-in-games-your-motherboard-bios-settings-may-be-to-blame-other-high-end-intel-cpus-also-affected

[wanton dawn]

I had to compete with a heavy laspistol vet dps-wise yesterday. Though tbf he was playing very aggressive which is quite rare

[tall torrent]

I have 1 build to add

Combat medic

• feed your team loads of toughness by killing everything)

Weapons:
Rashad mk2 combat axe

• perks: unarmored + flak/elite/carapace
• blessings: Brutal Momentum + Headtaker
  Plasma gun
• perks: elite + flak/maniac/carapace
• blessings: Gets Hot + Gloryhunter

[wanton dawn]

Put 700k smth with me at 680k on a 28min smth game

And i did try harder when i saw him play aggressive

[frank basin]

Did you win?

[wanton dawn]

Obv

[frank basin]

Lol

[wanton dawn]

The game, not the "competition"

Two ppl above 600k on a less than 30min game is a high dmg game

[tall torrent]

Also @timid otter just wanted to add to “determined” talent if u haven’t updated it yet

The following weapons have no negatives from being suppressed:
Helbore mk1, Helbore mk2, Helbore mk3, Plasma gun, Laspistol mk2, Laspistol mk10
Which means “determined” and “between the eyes” blessing both do basically nothing for these weapons

[agile yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79eEtUOYaw4

[dusty nacelle]

why is he so mean wtf 😭

[tall torrent]

That’s just his personality lol

[frank basin]

He call people dumb on people pick bad perk

[dusty nacelle]

"Oh wow a video with in depth info about the plasma gun! I'll watch it to learn a bit"
Every 5 seconds: "If anyone disagrees they're a MORON and BAD AT THE GAME. In fact if you think otherwise just comment RIGHT NOW so I can block you"

[tall torrent]

Yea he’s just like that

[agile yew]

Id put it on his age, edgyness like that usually gets rounded out with age. Its sort of defense mechanism too to guard your own insecurity by initiating with hostility by default your communication and then just saying you doing it for the LOLs or whatever

[wanton dawn]

Every time i read a strange advice here i am like "did he said something again ?"

[agile yew]

But his content is solid, so just get past the edgy presentation

[tall torrent]

lol pretty much

[tall torrent]

Just an fyi he’s not always right

[agile yew]

Yeah ive noticed, some of his takes arent also that black&white

[tall torrent]

He does have some ??? tier takes

[agile yew]

Like he always just presents the ultimate choice and everything else is rubbish, no shades of grey

[stone adder]

Do we know how old he is tho

[dusty nacelle]

it's still nice to get opinions from a wide amount of viewpoints to help think outside the boxxx
u can always just test everything out yourself after and then form ur own opinions that way using them as a baseline at leasttt

[agile yew]

Id guess 18 - 25 range?

[frank basin]

So he not good manner talk?

Or genuinely rude?

[agile yew]

Apparently he has some competitive video gaming background with good success, so its really gone to his ego

[stone adder]

That was my guess too,
Since I heard him talk like he had a good job/making enough money by himself

[lucid pasture]

Oh is this that kid with the inexplicably high-energy combative attitude? lmao

[tall torrent]

He’s pretty rude yea

[wanton dawn]

Not good enough to be so rude

[tall torrent]

He has some okay takes and some really ??? takes

[lucid pasture]

I couldn't stand listening to his inexplicably angry ranting long enough to gather any takes

[agile yew]

I mean, even if you are good, there is no reason to be that rude. But he still makes very solid and entertaining (his attitude can be at times that too) videos

[wanton dawn]

Mind you there are some very good player on this discord

[stone adder]

I'm used to angry rants so I can somewhat intake the info

[tall torrent]

I watched his whole “the only veteran talent breakdown you need” vid and he was about 70~80% right but got some really important info wrong, so take that as what you will

[stone adder]

Plus I rant anger-ly myself so I can't say much

[frank basin]

RAGE

[stone adder]

A lot of angry rants mostly about my hate for X video game

like Fear 3

[lucid pasture]

I think I tried watching his tier list for the vet's weapons or something, I just found him too annoying to sit through it, dude needs to take a chill pill

[tall torrent]

He’s on the very extreme side of measuring things so yea

[frank basin]

He would straight up block you for using bad weapon

[wanton dawn]

I only ever rant about ppl doing stupid stuff that makes my life genuinely harder and that i am forced to fix myself. Angrily

[stone adder]

That's fair

[frank basin]

I don’t like see him in matches

[stone adder]

I think most people would be angry in those situations

[wanton dawn]

Usually involves code

[frank basin]

He would block me using Graia brauto

[wanton dawn]

You played him ?

[frank basin]

If I met him

He’s sound hostile stick to meta

[tall torrent]

When columnus5 inevitably gets nerfed, that gun might unironically be the best dps option for zealot

[frank basin]

IAG?

[tall torrent]

When Columnus mk5 IAG gets nerfed, Graia mk4 braced would prob be the best dps gun for zealot

[wanton dawn]

Right now i have come back to bolter again

[frank basin]

Oh

[wanton dawn]

I missed it

[agile yew]

Every time ive linked Tanner vid here, its atleast sparked lots of controversy and comments, so he achieves atleast that notoriety of being known with his style, in good and bad

[wanton dawn]

Infamy works i guess

[agile yew]

It made me again try to farm Blaze Away for my plasma gun that im still missing

[frank basin]

I read comment “redditor gonna write 12 paragraphs complain about him”

[tall torrent]

Blaze away is ok but it’s really not the “must-have” for plasma

[wanton dawn]

Also thats prob the most posted ytber here

So yeah, ppl react

[lucid pasture]

I've seen exactly one of his videos and only remember him for being irritating lmao

[agile yew]

Far from perfect

[frank basin]

Is he want bait then Views?

[wanton dawn]

More likely ppl post here and ask for react

[tall torrent]

Blaze away is only really relevant in magdump situation (hopefully you have 70%+ thermal resist otherwise you only get 7 continuous shots), which usually only happens for mass crusher/bulwark or bosses

[wanton dawn]

And we react with... less than stellar re1ction

[agile yew]

Yeah my thermal resistance means i get like 1 shot off less before quell

[wanton dawn]

Also i think some interacted with him on discord here. Again was complicated

[agile yew]

0.21 hipfire while it could be 0.18 or so

[tall torrent]

Which I’ll just say both cases put you at unrecoverable ammo deficit especially if it’s scab no ammo maelstrom

[white minnow]

i thought i would be safe frrom him in psyker chat and then he barges in to say that duelling sword mk4 doesn't need uncanny

[tall torrent]

He hates rending so much lol

[white minnow]

dafuq

[frank basin]

You found him?

[white minnow]

it's an actual pattern with him hating rending?

[tall torrent]

He made a video saying rending is bad and that hand cannon is bad blessing for revolver

[lucid pasture]

This guy's gonna be equivalent to a cryptid at this rate.

[frank basin]

Yeah definitely want reaction bait

He get views for cash cow

[wanton dawn]

I mean, i give advice but i am still bad with 6 times his playtimes on vet

[frank basin]

So he’s a tryhard?

[tall torrent]

He said the only good rending is for columnus5 on veteran
Take that as what you will lol

[frank basin]

What his name on discord

I hear his discord beeping in that video

[wanton dawn]

Though i guess i did do a 150 crushers kill video cuz some wanted to bait reaction with the 125 kill one

So the reaction bait works

[frank basin]

It look to me that isn’t 150 crusher in number

That number look around 30 crusher

Or 40

[wanton dawn]

I did 150 unrestricted, 60 melee and 30 very restricted

[frank basin]

Spawn 150 at once kinda drop fps

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, ruined one of my attempt

But i used thunderous bleed. I could do more if my rig allows it

It isnt interesting

[frank basin]

On what weapon you say?

[wanton dawn]

30 without voc or ck or nade, melee only was more interesting

[wanton dawn]

2s ill link

[frank basin]

Ah

Illinis?

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[frank basin]

Aight

[wanton dawn]

Point is, at some point it isnt hard to do silly thing if you commit to the bit

[frank basin]

Mhm

[wanton dawn]

Thats 150 crushers in a minute, which is the most i did without build restriction

If i add restriction i dont think using ciag is an interesting one

[stone adder]

Have you tried making the crushers go away with a difficult speech check?

Sorry I had too

[wanton dawn]

I play voice of command so kinda yes

[stone adder]

Lmao

[wanton dawn]

"I WANNA HEAR YOU SCREAM !!" and so on

[wanton dawn]

Dont be, I have worst joke and pun in my mind

[stiff glacier]

Since when ozzy osbourne was veteran

[trim steppe]

Gloryhunter is much better than blaze away imo for this reason

Incredible defensive sustain? Or small % damage boost you dont even need?

[tall torrent]

I think it’s more 50:50

Blaze away is prob better if you do need to magdump for those targets (like if you brought DC as melee)

But if your melee actually has boss dmg then Gloryhunter is going to help more

[wanton dawn]

I dont value glory on plasma ft. Already have enough thoughness regen on elite kill

Make more sense for weapon spec

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter is just nice to have
Blaze away is a bit niche

[wanton dawn]

Also not great for no ammo mael

[tall torrent]

Neither is really great for scab no ammo lol, if anything blaze away is worse at it

[trim steppe]

Thats more or less my argument, blaze away is nice occasionally, but GH is good way more often

[potent iris]

run brutal momentum

[wanton dawn]

No way gh is good on no ammo

[tall torrent]

Blaze away isn’t that great for ammo either given it needs you to magdump for value

[wanton dawn]

Which you actually do in no ammo

[tall torrent]

Yea and does it actually reasonably change shots to kill

[wanton dawn]

On mauler considering crit body shot and flak ? Yeah

Wanna calculate bp though ?

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure Maulers are 2 bodyshot with flak+elite perks, if one is a crit

Which blaze away won’t change in any way

You might get scab rager 1HS a bit easier with blaze away stacks

And crusher/bulwark magdump

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day ill will be very close minded on no ammo, considering the amount of success i have on this mod

[trim steppe]

I dont know how you guys consistently mag dump on pgun fast enough to keep up blaze away without ever missing a single shot. By the 5th shot or so in a choatic mixed horde I barely know where the heads or maulers are anymore.

[tall torrent]

That’s fine, ur experience speaks louder than my words here

I respect ur opinion

[wanton dawn]

Gh is not good cuz the real danger on this mod is overhead OS

Thoughness loss is actually fairly limited

Blaze prob not required, but i cant see gloryhunter being better on that one

[wanton dawn]

Experience is not an excuse though

You have the right to shittalk me

[tall torrent]

I found it easier to stay in gold toughness with gloryhunter when the situation goes FUBAR, and I can feed people toughness with born leader as long as I keep killing stuff

[wanton dawn]

I am wrong 50% of the time

[trim steppe]

I just like GH for recovery in tight spots. If you get caught in a gunner volley for a moment you can get shreded and just popping him in the face with GH gives you essentially full toughness. Or taking a stray melee hit while trying to take out a sniper or bomber is instantly recovered when you land the shot.

If blaze away stacks lasted even like .25 seconds longer before dropping i would probably like it more, but they just instantly evaporate if you take your finger off the trigger

[wanton dawn]

Again, my point is that on no ammo, thoughness is a pretty meh resources

[tall torrent]

Overhead 1 shot is a lot less dangerous when everybody is in gold toughness most of the time even if they’re getting hit by things

[trim steppe]

I have played no ammo like 3 times, so idk anything about that. I'm just speaking generally for high diff missions

[wanton dawn]

Gold thoughness is not really about th regen though

Again, in no ammo

[tall torrent]

More so speaking on getting chip dmg by mobs while being pushed by mauler/crusher

[wanton dawn]

Ill probably do a gameplay video sometimes. Would showcase what i say better

I usually go onto it expecting 1m dmg game

Plasma is only 1/3 of the sauce though

[bitter turtle]

Melee modifier is fun when you ban yourself from psword revolver and plasma

[wanton dawn]

I even have twinned blade on this mod now

[tall torrent]

Demo stockpile + demo team + twinned blast? Do u take tinkerer as well or no