veteran-class

[thick flint]

rn i have weakspot dmg on bleeding and uncanny strike

[hollow ibex]

i usualy run flesh tearer+uncanny

it's a pretty general combo that works well regardless of the build

[torpid pier]

As a vrak 7 player seeing plasma piercing everything and going to your target makes me cry inside a little haha

fun watch though, 10/10 heat mangement

way less reloading than what I thought

just switching to melee and waiting it out or use special if plasma still needed

[umbral garnet]

This is what happened to me with the Power Sword MK6

[hard cave]

Is running triple toughness regen curio good on vet?

[wanton dawn]

nah

[hard cave]

crying

[flint lake]

Which is better, Sunder or Slaughter on the power sword and why.

[wanton dawn]

Sunder by far. Because slaughter is comparable to BM, BM is better and BM is regarded as comparable to sunder (both bringing different things to the table)

[somber axle]

I remember seeing a vid about toughness regen only changing coherency toughness regen and reducing the time before it begins. It doesn't change regen from kills or bonus regen from talents

[timid otter]

the base toughness regen with 4 players is 7 per second

If running 90% toughness regen you raise it to 13.3 per second

Toughness regen is same as coherency regen

Coherency regen will not happen while in melee combat with enemies.

[twin sorrel]

No, you get diminishing returns.

[hard cave]

damn

This is so sad

[timid otter]

Are you sure?

Im pretty sure its stacked additively ontop of eachother

[twin sorrel]

Unless it's changed recently, the regen curios don't stack additively

[slow spade]

They also turn off when enemies are near

AKA when you need it lol

Tbh idk why coherency regen turns off when near enemies

Feels like a bad decision imo

[raw steppe]

They do

3 toughness regen will generally be better than 1 or 2

That said, its generally not worth for endgame folks to run it unless you're ogryn

Though 3x toughness regen i think will be quite helpful for new players to the game

They don't suffer diminishing returns, each 30% is still worth 30%; in fact its better to stack it because it boosts 2 stats

Each 30% affects both the flat recharge amount as well as the delay

[buoyant salmon]

I NEEEED a team

[raw steppe]

Which is why ogryn gets so much value out of it

[buoyant salmon]

That uses mic

[timid otter]

go to lfg channels :p

[buoyant salmon]

Where

[timid otter]

downwards in the discord server

VOX-LFG

[buoyant salmon]

Nvm I'm dumb

[hard cave]

I run 3 stack on vet because I suck

[raw steppe]

Not a problem to do so lol

It's not bad just not the most optimal

[final locust]

flawless

[muted prairie]

knife dudes, how do you do it? i tried to knife but i feel like i'm just addicted to power cycler 4/bromentum's horde clear

is there some secret knife trick i'm missing?

[raw steppe]

Knife isnt really a horde clear weapon

Main reason you use it is for fast and uncanny

[muted prairie]

that would explain things

i feel like i've tried every melee weapon, but am i right in thinking psword just clears hordes fastest?

[raw steppe]

Yep ps, dclaw and caxe are probably the best horde clear melees vet can access

The other weapons give up some horde clear to be better in some other ways

[muted prairie]

sounds about right. i made myself a nice dclaw but it just can't seem to handle mixed hordes as well. dropped a lotta resources into a decent caxe but idk, it just feels like the hitboxes are weird?

maybe i'm using the caxe wrong, but hitting heads just feels a ton easier on psword 6

[raw steppe]

Dclaw is all about the crits and parries

Caxe is all about utilizing BM oneshots

Ps6 is a little overtuned rn, so itll prob feel stronger than the other options a bit

[muted prairie]

that certainly justifies my loadout choices, thanks dawg

[hollow ibex]

once you get used to the mobility of the knife and all the stupid shit it allows you to do... it gets fun

but yeah the horde clear is always going to be way worse than ps6

at best knife horde clear will just let you hold your own

[bitter turtle]

psword is busted

cant really compare it to anything

only thing its "weaker" at is mobility but that is patched up with wep specialist

[tall torrent]

Knife is gonna be bad at horde clear no matter what

[frank ether]

yes

you get an autogun and shoot the horde

if your team can't handle trash on their own they can't bitch at you for burning ammo

[serene bough]

Ye knife is good for quickly stabbing maniac threats to death but sometimes you ought to shoot the horde if they're far away enough

Personally I like uncanny + flesh tearer

[wise fossil]

Join shovel gang gang

[faint beacon]

Been trying out the 3 shovel types, they're all just fun to use tbh, yeah the PS overshadows them but like... shovel is funny

[bitter turtle]

@tall torrent so i finally got a semi-usable cs4

v7 + cs4 is not bad

idk if you feel the same but

i find cs4 to be a very

defensive weapon

[faint beacon]

Devils Claw right?

[bitter turtle]

the revs feel great to stun an enemy closing in on you but terrible if you're trying to push in lul

[faint beacon]

Oh chainsword, yeah its not half bad

[bitter turtle]

but yeah it meshes well with v7

[tall torrent]

Because ur gonna use heavy atks a lot

[bitter turtle]

that too

every time i tried to play aggressively with it i regretted it lol

so i realized its just good for pushing away shitters that get too close

but that works for v7

[tall torrent]

The horde combo I use for CS4 is H1 > H2 > L3 > H2 repeat

[wanton dawn]

Ps only weaknesses are dh and sniper

[late hatch]

Its not that most of the weapons are bad, its that a few of them stand out too much, for too long. And then instead of a decent rebalance FS tends to over nerf and just make new standouts instead of tuning things closer.

[faint beacon]

Look I get a special dopamine boost when I turn my shovel into a pickaxe and Slam it into a Mauler's skull

[bitter turtle]

i still dont understand why cs13 exists

[faint beacon]

Light spam iirc?

its... there?

[tall torrent]

It’s not as good at light spam as actual light spam weapons

[faint beacon]

Oh wait no

Its heavy's are pretty damn good with Special if you plan to use Bloodletter

seeing its a strikedown

[tall torrent]

That’s actually incorrect

[bitter turtle]

no

its worse

[tall torrent]

The strikedowns are not good

[bitter turtle]

because i hit mauler head

instead of body

strikedowns being better at singling enemies out in hordes is meaningless too

[tall torrent]

You have to use wrath + rampage for CS13g for it to work

[bitter turtle]

since revving in a horde is suicide anyway

[tall torrent]

And without bloodletter, rev atks on chainswords just aren’t good

[faint beacon]

Fuck what was the T4 Locked blessing that was like 100% Crit, I know it pairs decently well with the Chainaxe.

No clue if it would even be worth at all using on the CS

[bitter turtle]

bloodthirsty?

no way

that's a complete meme

[faint beacon]

Possibly?

[bitter turtle]

i dont think chaxe uses bloodthirsty either

[tall torrent]

Bloodthirsty is only ever worth considering for illisi mk5 force sword

[bitter turtle]

illisi is just a powersword in disguise

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah that thing really just is

[timid otter]

Veteran guide when?

[frank ether]

its there for ''variety'' checkbox

not like the old chsword is all that hot

but cs13 is a special little cookie

partially its a victim of chsword's poor selection of blessings

[tall torrent]

Not really that, the moveset is just not good

[frank ether]

this is a chicken or egg kind of discussion

because there are layers of problems

and you could argue any or all of them are the root cause

[tall torrent]

All of them are problematic

[frank ether]

when in reality its all of the problems combined leading to a rather lackluster experience

yea

[tall torrent]

Lacklustre moveset
Suboptimal base stat line

[frank ether]

revs are also just bad

[timid otter]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S6fRBvHazuv9qM-jOTU4lXZCxcarcoGWfV_vmSOfK0I/edit

[frank ether]

%90 of the damage loaded on the end tick

[timid otter]

Its 71 pages

[tall torrent]

Hot take but I don’t think chainsword cancel rev should drain stamina at all

Unless you have bloodletter, cancelling a rev has pathetic damage

[frank ether]

page 2 and already a typo error

focus mark instead of marksman focus

or well ''focus target''

[tall torrent]

Who made this

[frank ether]

also surface level and downright harmful advice with smokes

not that I blame the writer for it

but very romanticized

gunners will not give a single fuck and will continue shooting into it

snipers can still track

[tall torrent]

Gunners & reapers fire at last known position until they need to reload

Regular shooters either reposition to re-establish line of sight, or charge into melee

Snipers simply don’t care

[frank ether]

man it really do be sad that

hd2 has endless queue

[junior needle]

Hot take: Revving your swap to an alternate move set like trick weapons from bloodborne

[frank ether]

so I have to debate game balance over this stale ass video game

[late hatch]

snipers are the weirdest. Sometimes they will run right up and then kick you if you get close, or try to line you up from 2m away

[frank ether]

smokes being garbage was like

news back in P13

fatshark has done fuck all about it

who cares

they clearly don't

[warm idol]

and if you get in the mm doesn't work

[frank ether]

so why should you

[junior needle]

As is tradition

[warm idol]

when is fatshark even gonna release a patch next

[frank ether]

don't care

[warm idol]

does sweden have like super long vacations or some shit

[tall torrent]

If CS13g had default H1 sweep but if u revved it, it changes into an overhead strikedown with extra carapace dmg, it’ll be so much better

[frank ether]

next rotation you can have your shitty tempestus armor for 2900 shekels

here is your content drop

[junior needle]

Next week

[frank ether]

enjoy your slop

[warm idol]

doubt that considering we have been getting

fuck all

when it comes to news

[frank ether]

there will be cosmetic shop rotation

[junior needle]

It’s a classic meme from the olden days, they’re most likely not dropping anything for awhile

[warm idol]

man is it really gonna take another year

outside of new content

they still gotta rework crafting

[junior needle]

The CM would continually tell us we’ll get an update next week, and then next week came and we’d get told next week again

[warm idol]

into something that isn't a load of horseshit

I really like the game and I wanna try different builds and weapons but the process for getting said weapons to be non garbo

is torture

[warm idol]

[tall torrent]

They most likely won’t

[slow spade]

I mean Rogue Trader just dropped a major update if you want more warhammer UwU

[frank ether]

there has been overwhelming negative feedback over crafting

if it was gonna happen

it would have already

[warm idol]

at some point they have to considering it's so universally despised

[slow spade]

And somehow its current state is still an improvement

[warm idol]

it's legit some of the worst examples of trying to drive "pLaYER eNgAgement"

[slow spade]

You would have loved the crafting when it first came out UwU

[warm idol]

I played the game since launch

[slow spade]

I spent like 100k plasteel on kantreals 💪

[slow spade]

Oh then bruh

[warm idol]

the only changes is that they actually added it LOL

[slow spade]

This is nothing new lol

[warm idol]

since launch had nothing

and the ability to pick whatever 2 stuff you wanted to reroll

instead of 1 perk/1 blessing

but that is like

not that much of an improvement

[frank ether]

wasnt it also like

you couldnt choose a specific perk

[warm idol]

yeah

[frank ether]

but had to roll the dice for it

[warm idol]

it eventually became free

so you just

[frank ether]

till you got what you wanted

[warm idol]

kept pressing the button

till you got what you wanted

very riveting gameplay

[frank ether]

yea

[warm idol]

the whole process of spending god knows how many dockets

to get a few decent rolls

then having them be bricked

is just

awful

you don't need optimal rolls which is good

but spending so much time and basically making 0 progress when it comes to optimising your guns

or wanting to try a weapon that basically needs ideal rolls to be good

is really just a sad experience

[frank ether]

the solution is to uh

uh

play something else

[warm idol]

seriously just give us a crafting system that allows for player agency

that's what I do yes

[frank ether]

then why are you bargaining with the obese fish

they won't listen

[warm idol]

am I

I doubt they care for anything

unless it affects their bottom line

if they actually cared the game would be been delayed and we wouldn't have such bs

[junior needle]

It does affect their bottom line, but developers that go this route are oblivious to that because of """""""""""player retention analysts"""""""""""" telling them they make more money off whales this way

[warm idol]

the funny thing

is that the people who spend an ungodly amount of time on games

are probably not the type to whale that much

whales tend to be the type to drop a bunch of money and stop playing no?

[warm idol]

reminds me of when people realised that companies like ea, ubisoft, bungie etc were hiring experts on psychology to try and squeeze as many hours and money out of people lol

[terse idol]

It's the funny investor issue

[tall torrent]

Data suggests a divide in this claim

[terse idol]

They gotta release

FS would be fine to delay Darktide I'm sure, but

They got investors

They expect the product to release EXACTLY on this day

Same problem as many new games releasing now tbh

[warm idol]

this is why I mostly stick to AA and indies aside from AAA releases that I know will be good (like fromsoft)

sure it tends to be janky

but it has soul

[terse idol]

All I can say is uh

Just don't play games on release

Don't preorder

[warm idol]

and also usually doesnt try to nickle and dime you all the time

[terse idol]

Done

[junior needle]

These are the ideal whales, who spend money and take no resources. But those are likely more rare than your regular whale, who spends money out of obsession and overabundance of income.

[terse idol]

Imagine if you will, you didn't buy darktide on release

And you bought it now

[warm idol]

I dont whaling for games

like

[frank ether]

reminds me of EA having a team of analysts telling them to remove scoreboards, all chats and the like to improve player retention / reduce toxicity

[warm idol]

why buy a bunch of stuff

[terse idol]

You got a year and a half of the game's content at your fingertip

[warm idol]

you won't even really use

[terse idol]

And no disappointment

[warm idol]

funny thing about toxicity

[terse idol]

If you buy games on release prepare to be disappointed tbh

[warm idol]

is that you will never be able to reduce or remove it

people are cunts online by their nature

[frank ether]

no they had to add those features back regardless

[warm idol]

armored core, baldurs gate, helldivers (despite the server issues which funnily I had 0 issues with for the first week) did not disappoint me at all

for darktide I figured fatshark would learn after vt2

[frank ether]

but its funny that there are people who are paid to make games worse

[warm idol]

to not release an unfinished game

ig I was wrong

[junior needle]

bg3 came out a fair bit buggy

[frank ether]

they are literally making a living by taking a fat dump on your video games

and then selling you that turd as a product

[warm idol]

I mostly noticed it in act 3 but I finished the game without anything game breaking

[frank ether]

But I guess buying battlefield 2042 you kinda deserve it lmao

[junior needle]

Act 3 wasn't in the early access iirc

[frank ether]

I paid like 15 bucks for that game and still felt scammed

[warm idol]

I got bf2042 as a gift because me and some friends planned to play it lol

it was fun with friends but so is any game really

it's better now but im too burnt out of mp fps games at this point to care

[warm idol]

ah I didn't play it in EA

[frank ether]

I use this a lot but

mediocrity slop sums up 2042 perfectly

[warm idol]

starfield too

like

the game isn't bad

but it's just

[frank ether]

I wouldn't know, didn't buy starfield

[warm idol]

nothing special

it's so painfully medicore

[tall torrent]

Starfield is badly designed from the core

[warm idol]

it's sad

[frank ether]

I watched some reviews and streamers though

[warm idol]

like it has some cool quests

[frank ether]

and it seemed mind bogglingly boring

[warm idol]

but everything else

it's just so bad

so boring

[frank ether]

you can't kill essential npcs

explore empty planets zzz

there is a loop system

like new game+

but why would I want to do that

story sucks

gameplay loop sucks

[warm idol]

only way to save that game is when modders get their hands on the creation kit

[frank ether]

haha

lmao

[warm idol]

like they did with skyrim

[frank ether]

ahaha

[tall torrent]

Modders gave up because it’s too boring

[frank ether]

yeah I'll see you enjoying it in the year 2042

[warm idol]

skyrim is 13 years old and still relevant because of mods

you'll be surprised

[frank ether]

skyrim modding people rival second life playerbase in weirdness scale

[tall torrent]

Idk why but most western games’ stories (nowadays) all feel very stereotypical and bland

[warm idol]

you sound like a weeb saying that ngl

[frank ether]

and thats coming from me

[tall torrent]

Me?

[warm idol]

yea

as if it's only western games

that are guilty of that

[frank ether]

yes, %100 correct

[warm idol]

unless you aren't also referring to eurojank

[frank ether]

very bland storytelling in most high budget western games

[warm idol]

since that's technically western

since it's EU

[tall torrent]

It’s not only western games, but the most high profile ones are all western

[frank ether]

some of those games are

not even games

like what was it

detroit become human? or something like that

its not even game its like cutscenes with quicktime events

[warm idol]

the problem is that the average consumer likes it when it's simple

and hates anything complicated

[frank ether]

mid garbage slop story btw

[warm idol]

dbh lol

that is

a movie

not a game

[tall torrent]

That’s not a valid argument

[frank ether]

for a ''game'' so heavily centered around story

it wasnt even an interesting story

[warm idol]

high budget games are made to make money so it is

if the average person

wanted rpg's

[tall torrent]

I haven’t heard anyone say they like BL3’s story

[warm idol]

as in crpg's or anything like that

we would be getting a ton of those

[warm idol]

that's just cherrypicking considering it's widely agreed upon to be the epitome of cringe

you'll be surprised by the amount of people

who legit liked starfield

[tall torrent]

Horizon series
New assassin’s creed games (Origins excluded)

[warm idol]

even though it's writing is some of the most bland I ever experienced

people like horizon

[frank ether]

horizon

zzz

[tall torrent]

Oh ik some people actually like that game, that’s ok

[warm idol]

I dunno much about ac but I thought origins and oddysey were solid

[frank ether]

slop

god of war was okay though

[tall torrent]

Origins is top5 AC undebatable

[warm idol]

god of war was fun

[frank ether]

I thought the story was fine

[warm idol]

honestly santa monica did a great job

story was fine and the gameplay was great

[frank ether]

it did some things I didn't expect

[warm idol]

especially ragnarok

[frank ether]

and took things into a direction I didn't expect

[tall torrent]

Odyssey I think is good on its own but the family drama storyline felt a bit much personally, also the game wasn’t very much “assassin”

Valhalla and Mirage barely have cohesive stories

[junior needle]

Some people are very easily impressed.

[frank ether]

lmao

[warm idol]

ah yes random crater

my favorite

[frank ether]

average bethesda player is literal dad gamer

only has 2 hours to play game per month in between work and beating wife and looking after children

[tired hornet]

Isn’t Starfield just single player Elite Dangerous?

[warm idol]

oh elite

[frank ether]

sees crater, soypogs, leaves a positive review and leaves

[warm idol]

yet another game

that I just

wish had more caring devs

so much potential but man

feels wasted

[tired hornet]

I wish it had less grinding tbh

[frank ether]

maybe they did care for all you know

[warm idol]

last played (which mind you was a while ago) you could earn a stupid amount of money from mining

[tired hornet]

I wish it were not an MMO so I could mod the shot out of it

[frank ether]

its not up to individual devs to call shots on things

[warm idol]

and earn condas and vettes and cutters in like a fraction of the time it would doing anything else

[frank ether]

starfield has pretty detailed textures for example

[tired hornet]

I think they nerfed that. Now killing Thargoids is the best money

[frank ether]

you know whoever did texture modeling did care

[warm idol]

are thargoids still like

just there?

last I played not much was done with them

I stopped right before they added carriers

[tired hornet]

They’ve destroyed several stations.

[warm idol]

cuz it seemed like yet another time/money sink

like engineering

oh so nothing new

[tall torrent]

The many artists and engineers who worked on Starfield definitely poured a lot of their heart into the game but the writing was really bland for the main story

[warm idol]

starfield has a good foundation imo

the ship building is great

the base building is neat like fallout 4 but feels kinda pointless

the gunplay is serviceable

[tired hornet]

There are more types and xeno weapons. I ran with the Aisling Duval player groups so I know containing them is still a problem right now

[warm idol]

the skill trees

[tall torrent]

No

[warm idol]

are actually cool

[junior needle]

Not on the gamebryo engine it doesn't

[warm idol]

but the quests are dogshit lol

[tall torrent]

We gotta stop lowering gunplay standards because it’s Bethesda

[clear pier]

yo i wanna post this chainsword to see if its any good, why can't i upload it in chat

[junior needle]

You need to wait a day to post images after joining

[tired hornet]

I was in an rp group and rage quit when I was done with their bullshit. I’m tempted to join the feds because they sound like an absolute shitshow organization wise and I wanna watch

[warm idol]

that's just bethesda in a nutshell the creation engine is fucking old and they need to actually make a new one

[clear pier]

damn cheers babe

[warm idol]

they got the money and resources for it

[frank ether]

the writer so adamantly defends their work from what I've heard

[warm idol]

so why bother with one held by duct tape and prayers

[frank ether]

but like

bad

[warm idol]

is that the same writer as fallout 4?

[tired hornet]

Aisling duval is so well organized it’s just boring. We always win. We never try anything new.

[tall torrent]

Emil? Yea

[junior needle]

Starfield ripped off the nms storyline

[warm idol]

his entire philosophy of keeping it simple is

just bad to say it plain

[frank ether]

to some degree in a game where alternate timelines exist making essential npcs unkillable is brainrot tier decision

[warm idol]

really makes you think

I miss it when in rpg's

[tall torrent]

Darktide (Fatshark’s first attempt at actual first person gunplay animations) has better gunplay than Starfield

[warm idol]

you could kill everyone

and still finish the game

[frank ether]

yeah bethesda always has been a decade behind in gunplay

I'm sorry

did I say a decade

[tall torrent]

Far cry 6 is a bland game but you could actually exit the story early on lmao

[frank ether]

two decades

MORE THAN TWO DECADES

[warm idol]

the difference is that darktide is a coop fps, I can forgive eh gunplay in rpg's because for me the focus is on the writing and characters

but starfield

and fallout 4

[frank ether]

fucking half life has better gunplay

[warm idol]

is just ain't it chief

[frank ether]

that game came out in 1998

[warm idol]

so it's pointless

[tired hornet]

I’m still mad that I can’t get a fire select in FO4

[warm idol]

good gunplay wouldn't make me keep playing in those games

[warm idol]

mods baby

but even then

modded with a ton of gun and gunplay mods

[tired hornet]

I mod the game so every bullet kills in one or two hits without power armor

[warm idol]

I still cant enjoy f4

[frank ether]

its an essential part of combat so it has to be good

[warm idol]

the exploring is just so boring

compared to fnv or even f3

[tired hornet]

There’s no way to mod it in. No mods currently exist that do so

[warm idol]

there are im p sure

[tall torrent]

I really don’t think it’s excusable given they’ve had so much time since their last mainline release to make smth good

[warm idol]

but it's like wip chinese stuff

[junior needle]

I had a mod for f4 that spawn enemy ambushes every so often

[warm idol]

so you need to look for it

[junior needle]

Injected some excitement into the game

[tired hornet]

Unless I want to make a new gun with zero weight and switch to it

[tall torrent]

COD makes yearly titles and they have the best gunplay animations in the industry right now

[junior needle]

You could customize the intervals, lethality, and if they spawned near settlements

[warm idol]

last great cod game imo was blops2

or mw2019

but sbmm ruined it for me

also idc if infinite warfare got shat on

that campaign was great

[tall torrent]

MWIII is the best cod mp since BO3

[warm idol]

cap

[frank ether]

sbmm is a bit of an excuse

[tall torrent]

No, actually

[warm idol]

I played that shit man you can't convince me otherwise

[frank ether]

the game itself is not fun when played in a sweaty way

[warm idol]

the issue is that so many people sweat their asses off

[frank ether]

its just a bad experience unless you're stomping

[warm idol]

in gaming in general

I miss it when lobbies were the most random mishmash of skill groups

like bf4

I miss that game

[tall torrent]

Blame the players lol

PvP got stale

[frank ether]

to some console andy you're the sweat

this is low effort thinking

[warm idol]

I dont need to stomp to enjoy I just want to try meme stuff out without some tryhard shitting on my parade

im not a god

so I can't match zoomers and their adderal addiction

honestly I dunno why I found older cods to be much more fun

[frank ether]

tryhards don't go away in games with server hosting

[tall torrent]

Gaming went mainstream and people sweat on them to fulfill their own egos, hence PvP is less fun now

[frank ether]

sbmm talk is pure copium from people who need an excuse

no one is forcing you to play cod

its a shitty game man, play something else

hell play your old cods

some of them aged well

just do it on a custom launcher though, its a security hazard otherwise

[warm idol]

I remember how actiblizz shut down the fan project of old cod games

[tall torrent]

But if you’re judging pure gameplay design, MWIII is the best since BO3

[tall torrent]

Because they swapped to a non-open-source engine

[warm idol]

just like titanfall 2

fuck you respawn

just make titanfall 3

[frank ether]

play titanfall 2

[warm idol]

I sometimes do

[tall torrent]

EA won’t do it because immortals of aveum flopped

[frank ether]

its alive

[warm idol]

but I want a titanfall 3

[frank ether]

I don't

old respawn is gone

[tall torrent]

And Apex makes way too much money

[frank ether]

apex is a console game

driving fomo engagement

even that is not the same

[warm idol]

I fail to see how does that corellate

[frank ether]

so why do you want titanfall 3

[tall torrent]

Respawn hasn’t cooked anything really impressive since Jedi Survivor

[warm idol]

they arent making tf3 because apex makes a shitton of money

[frank ether]

it will be a game sharing the name only

[tall torrent]

Because their major takeaway from that flop is “making single player fps is bad idea”

[warm idol]

but titanfall was mp focused

titanfall 2 just so happened

to have an absolute banger of a campaign

[tall torrent]

And they have Apex which just brings in way more money

[warm idol]

yeah I know

[tall torrent]

Even if Titanfall 3 happened they’ll prob find a way to make it be bland

[warm idol]

because respawn is still makes solid games

jedi survivor was great

for example

despite the performance issues

[crimson pebble]

Fun fact just got power cycler 4 on first ever power sword iv built

[tall torrent]

I wish it was

[frank ether]

jedi survivor

isnt that the uh

game that had horrible launch

and is still running horrible

[tall torrent]

Maybe in 5 years after 32 patches it’ll finally be playable

[warm idol]

it ran fine after a few patches even on my old pc

so

[frank ether]

it doesnt even look that good

[tall torrent]

Respawn’s last actually good game was Jedi fallen order

[finite imp]

Has this live service game been serviced yet

[tall torrent]

Survivor is a good game somewhere just boggled down by horrendous performance

[frank ether]

online only live service games

[warm idol]

but outside of performance everything is great

[frank ether]

I've had about enough of them

[tall torrent]

Performance is a big part though

[warm idol]

but performacne is just an issue in most modern games

[finite imp]

The only service anyone doing in online live service games is the players wallets

[frank ether]

yedge

[tall torrent]

Like, if I can’t get stable 60fps without GPU high temp on 720p with a game, that’s the game’s issue

[warm idol]

bro survivor is literally fallen order but better in every way

[warm idol]

I dunno man

it ran fine for me

[tall torrent]

Yea except the performance is like 50x worse

[warm idol]

on medium settings

at 1080p

[tall torrent]

I’m happy it ran fine for u

[warm idol]

on my old pc

[tall torrent]

But it’s not running fine for a lot of people

[warm idol]

at 60fps

without issues

[tall torrent]

It’s also a 120gb game for some fucking reason

[warm idol]

because devs love to put uncompressed textures in their games

that most people

won't even use

sometimes it's dlc

[junior needle]

Go buy a lottery ticket right now

[warm idol]

sometimes it's baked into the game

[junior needle]

While you're in the zone

[tall torrent]

AC odyssey is 110gb with both expansion packs downloaded and that game has WAY more content than Jedi survivor

[frank ether]

4K textures

[warm idol]

4k textures take a fuckton of space

[frank ether]

that only like %0.1 or so cares to have

[junior needle]

uncompressed images and audio

[warm idol]

even tho 99% of people dont even use them

and even those who do

take a big performance hit

it's a meme

[frank ether]

AAA games fucking over your storage space because like %0.1 of people have computers and 4k monitors

that can see those textures

[warm idol]

it's just laziness

they can reduce the file size

or just make it an optional dlc

like some games do

[tall torrent]

300fps 1080p enjoyers when 60fps 4K

[warm idol]

I prefer 1440p 144fps

the perfect middile ground

getting a 4k monitor feels like a meme

[junior needle]

360* fps 1080p enjoyers

[warm idol]

too many AAA games focus too much on visuals at the expense of everything else

[junior needle]

I guess I can play some darktide while I wait for helldivers to log me in

[tall torrent]

Darktide included lol

[warm idol]

when a good artstyle

is all a game needs

[warm idol]

tbh the game always ran fine for me

even since beta

[late hatch]

1440p is the best res if you have a pc that can handle it and give a decent frame rate for sure. 4k is nice when things are static or slow moving but I cant deal with the eye cancer of playing anything fast at 60fps

[warm idol]

that's one complaint I could never relate to lol

[junior needle]

I was getting crashes/disconnects galore for months, along with low fps and the game feeling not very smooth even if I pushed 100+.

[warm idol]

imho 2k is what 1080p was a few years ago

[junior needle]

Turns out it needs dlss.

[warm idol]

the golden standard

especially with stuff like dlss and how much stronger hardware is now

[late hatch]

Yeah unfortunately DT doesnt run all that well without dlss

[warm idol]

dlss3 is wild

with how much it improves performance

even for games that had a really bad track record with it

like cyberpunk

[late hatch]

And then you have to ignore the weirdness of the edges of high-low res

[warm idol]

dlss on quality mode I don't notice that much

[tall torrent]

I just need them to implement amd fsr3 frame regen for darktide

[warm idol]

but balance or performance

no bueno

[tall torrent]

@junior needle can u link me the frame Gen mod if possible

[warm idol]

also speaking of dlss

it's funny how

starfield doesnt support dlss3

or any iirc

and you need to get a paid mod for it

bethesda what the fuck

[late hatch]

"it just works"

[warm idol]

I ain't dropping money on mods

that's for sure

[warm idol]

todd when he manages to sell you the same game

for over 10 years

[junior needle]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1361210/discussions/0/4040357419300735361/

[warm idol]

[tall torrent]

It has UI ghosting right?

[bitter turtle]

u missed the previous discussion

[tall torrent]

Is it blurry or flickering UI

[bitter turtle]

flak + unarmored OR elite + maniac

[junior needle]

Yes but it's overwhelmingly ignorable and the UI/dialogue is still readable on my screen.

[bitter turtle]

it has to be those specific combos in those pairings

[late hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA

[warm idol]

it's kinda sad that we will never get another fallout game like nv

[frank ether]

It doesn't

thats not performance

[warm idol]

and that obisidan aren't gonna make anything like it either

[junior needle]

fps number go up

[warm idol]

considering how mid outer worlds was

[junior needle]

That means performance in my book

[warm idol]

it straight up doubles your fps tho

[frank ether]

fps is not performance

next you're gonna tell me tv smoothing is free performance

[warm idol]

what is then

[junior needle]

You mean frame interpolation?

[frank ether]

you're not running the game simulation faster

[junior needle]

Didn't know those were both doing the same thing

[frank ether]

you're just inserting made up frames in between real ones

[bitter turtle]

also

@timid otter

Toughness replenishment only affects how fast toughness regenerates within coherency. It does not affect how much toughness players gain from other sources. This means that even at its best this talent won't even be as good as having a perk of coherency regen on a curio. As toughness regeneration speed both decreases the delay of coherency regen proccing and the toughness regeneration during coherency. For reference the most this talent would do is increase coherency regen speed from 7 to 9.45 with max stacks. For now skip this talent.

[frank ether]

which means in reality you are losing performance

[bitter turtle]

this is wrong for Tunnel Vision

[frank ether]

it just looks really smooth

but it isn't

[bitter turtle]

Tunnel Vision in fact affects skills like CK/ET/etc

[warm idol]

lol

[junior needle]

All I can say is that subjectively, it feels much smoother playing it with than without

[warm idol]

^

honestly if it feels better

that's what matters lol

[junior needle]

Which means its an improvement in my book

[bitter turtle]

i think the rating system for talents in a vacuum is also kind of weird and probably worth cutting that entire part out

[warm idol]

i'd rather play a game at 144fps than 40 for example

[warm idol]

100%

[frank ether]

does dlss3 in this context also include upscaling

[warm idol]

if you could upgrade them

it would be fine

[frank ether]

because people misuse the term

[warm idol]

but it's just there to add to the grind

[frank ether]

or nvidia does

the upscaling is ''free performance''

the framegen is not

you won't go from 40 to 144 with just framegen

[junior needle]

🤓

[warm idol]

higher fps

make game feel better

make me feel nice

ya dig?

[junior needle]

Number beeg

number go up

grug like number go up

[warm idol]

yes

smooth gameplay unleashes the dopamine chemical

[bitter turtle]

bigger number is always better

just like in golf

the biggest number wins right

[junior needle]

Number of hole in ones go up, placement go up

grug say simple

[warm idol]

grug hate thinking

grug wants to smash

complicated tings cuz grug to be MAD

also if we get no elden ring dlc news this month some redditor will be forced to sell his brain matter

I want to see that

[bitter turtle]

also @timid otter onslaught being rated higher than surgical is weird, surgical is the one you really dont want to drop regardless of the mark

onslaught on mk2 is just

redundant

also infernus is p much just as good as dumdum on recons

just better at range vs melee

putting decimator and sc above thrust is also kind of odd on shovels

mercy killer shouldn't be above precog in tier/should be at same tier at least

executor and lacerate are complete memes

frankly

i would do away with the tiers in general and just suggest combinations

[junior needle]

I'd consider infernus a sidegrade but it depends on the mk. The 7a wants dumdum over infernus for sure, because lowest fire rate and highest damage.

[bitter turtle]

its definitely a sidegrade on 6d at least

[junior needle]

Agreed

Dumdum is more value on softer targets

[bitter turtle]

headtaker should not be rated same tier as deci on rashad

[junior needle]

Infernus has basically none on soft targets but more on hard targets

[bitter turtle]

unless you like randomly losin g your bruiser bp on a miss

[junior needle]

Also agreed

Or on any weapon that has both

[bitter turtle]

ya

but yeah i reiterate

drop this tier business

blessings should be considered in conjunction with each other

[junior needle]

The tier approach can be ok, but it needs to be accurate

[bitter turtle]

just suggest good combinations

[frank ether]

I'll remember this the next time you go on about r*con

[bitter turtle]

also

trickshooter is not S tier for agri volver

trickshooter is just bad

[frank ether]

why bad

free power

[bitter turtle]

would you really take it over surgical or handcannon

[mystic laurel]

geez, as a noob I have such a hard time following what you guys are talking about in here, I don't know what any of this stuff is lol

[junior needle]

I can't blame you, I most definitely get a little 🤓

[terse idol]

Or cruccian

[bitter turtle]

outside of "lets see how fast i can drop a BoN in psykarium" meme builds

[frank ether]

Idk tbh

fair point

[junior needle]

crucian is better for agri revolver

[frank ether]

oh yea surgical is a nono

[junior needle]

going surgical with it is just why, take the other revolver

[bitter turtle]

i'd still take surgical

[frank ether]

then you're using it wrong

[bitter turtle]

"just go the other revolver" is just the comparison in general

there's no real reason to not take the overpowered one

besides not wanting to play an overpowered weapon

[frank ether]

cause you'll wait for a guaranteed crit, shoot and oops miss because braced pistol lmao

[junior needle]

If they made the whole fanning a crit string then you could argue for surgical

[frank ether]

it also just does less damage per shot

[bitter turtle]

idk i dont rapid fan that much

[terse idol]

I want to fan alot

[frank ether]

thats sorta what its made for though

[junior needle]

There's no point to using it then

It's just a significant downgrade

[bitter turtle]

you cant compare it to zarona

[frank ether]

if you just occasionally shoot old revolver is miles better

[terse idol]

Its like made to fan because of the speed loader

[bitter turtle]

zarona is overpowered as fuck

yes

we all know zarona shits on everything

might as well say there's no reason to use anything except plasma and volver

[frank ether]

it is better for your use case regardless

[terse idol]

You actively lose value by reloading without fanning the hammer because of the speed loader

[frank ether]

it would be after 100 different nerfs

[terse idol]

😌

[frank ether]

because you can pinpoint aim

[bitter turtle]

either way, i find it still better just to pinpoint shots

[frank ether]

and guarantee headshots

[bitter turtle]

agri still 1taps most targets

with a crit

and i just fan in shtf moments

or on bosses

idk i cant see u not running out of ammo if u just fan literally everything, and why even? u still can 1tap most elites/specials on crit

and yes i get it

id be better off playing zarona

that goes for just about half the guns in the game

[frank ether]

you'd be better off playing zarona regardless

[bitter turtle]

ya

i know

that's why im saying its not a valid reason

im talking about the use case of agri in a vacuum, ignoring that zarona does what it does better

why fan everything when it still 1 taps on crit

[terse idol]

I dunno it just

[bitter turtle]

i keep fanning as a backup plan, not the main idea

[frank ether]

it has high rate of fire

[terse idol]

The fanning revolver and not fanning it is just wrong I feel

[bitter turtle]

unless im going for dps on a boss

[frank ether]

if you wait a second for each shot

now you have shit dps

[bitter turtle]

i mean, if it 1 taps, why does that matter

i fan when dps is a factor (like boss)

[frank ether]

what does it one tap

aside from some basic human enemies

[bitter turtle]

most specialists, gunners

[junior needle]

Dun like the accuracy on it, should make fanning pinpoint because I'd like it

[bitter turtle]

even on rager 1 crit into 1 normal shot is enough to kill

[frank ether]

its an inaccurate gun

what do you do when you miss?

[bitter turtle]

so again, the guaranteed crit from surgical is valuable

[frank ether]

it has no penetration either

[bitter turtle]

i honestly think

its not that inaccurate

but that's just me

i dont have problems hitting with it

well

ok

let me rephrase

[frank ether]

sure

[bitter turtle]

of course it is objectively less accurate

[frank ether]

do what you want

[bitter turtle]

but its accurate up to 8m while moving

15m when standing still

that's good enough for the builds i use it for at least

[frank ether]

this is giving me ''I do fine with recon'' vibes

like I am a big fan of surgical

[bitter turtle]

i think its disingenuous to compare it to recon lol

why are ppl so hard on it just because it doesnt measure up to zarona

[frank ether]

but I use it on bolter where its like, deleting elites across the map

[frank ether]

and stunning half the map

[terse idol]

A whole 8m

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[bitter turtle]

that's fine when im playing melee anyway and picking off something running up to me

[frank ether]

but like

[bitter turtle]

ok

im not saying

its on par with zarona

lol

[frank ether]

just do a slide heavy attack

and you reach 8m

[terse idol]

I mean I don't want to be hard on it

[frank ether]

why even pull out a gun

[terse idol]

I should probably try to find a cruccian

And a good handcannon

To figure it out

[bitter turtle]

i dont think a slide heavy kills a rager instantly

[frank ether]

yeah but you also dont have time to

sit there adsing

with it that close either

[bitter turtle]

also come on

there's plenty of situations

where u cant just freely run up and melee

even within 8m

dont be disingenuous

[terse idol]

This really is just making surgical look more opie

[frank ether]

yea

[bitter turtle]

also it doesnt take that long to ads

[frank ether]

exactly

[bitter turtle]

i still run deadshot

[frank ether]

guns are mostly pointless at melee range

[junior needle]

Even in a vacuum, I was much less satisfied running the agri revolver than say, the autopistol

[frank ether]

this is entirely my argument for saying close damage is a shit mechanic

[junior needle]

Also on my zealot

[frank ether]

and close damage blessings on guns should not be a thing

[terse idol]

Eh

Maybe

[frank ether]

cause stacking damage up to 8m is a meme

[bitter turtle]

like

i just dunno why is controversial

https://i.gyazo.com/e78e6a8f5db80f9902dda7683e3da5e8.jpg

this is perfectly fine to run surgical for

[terse idol]

I thought the whole blessing system trying to tailor gameplay to different play styles but it failed because we're only choosing like 3 blessings max

[junior needle]

Fun fact: Close range damage now has 2 instances of being identical to anoint in blood

[tiny summit]

Yea. All dmg blessings are mistakes

[junior needle]

dumdum and the close range vet talent

on ult

[bitter turtle]

like idk

[junior needle]

I'm quite sure the vet talent didn't work like that awhile back, so that means it was changed to be that way later on

[bitter turtle]

maybe its bc i used to run speedloader zarona lol

but i just play it

as in agri

teh same exact way

personally I dont think its quite that bad but w/e

i think its exactly where revolver should be tbh

not this long range armor piercing sniper with bottomless clip

just something to 1tap all human sized elites/specials

[terse idol]

I'd argue running it with surgical is trying to just tailor it closer to what the zaroma is

[junior needle]

True

[terse idol]

Rather than folks running crucian though

[austere pine]

low lvl guns are a thing, definitely

[junior needle]

Budget zarona

[bitter turtle]

maybe, but nobody has explained to me why i should spend 3 bullets to kill a rager instead of 1

[austere pine]

look at that stability

[bitter turtle]

lol

[terse idol]

And thaats the issue

[bitter turtle]

let me guess

"zarona"

[terse idol]

Again I thought they should make the ammo types more noticable

[bitter turtle]

well what if i dont want to play zarona

lul

[terse idol]

Like zarona has AP is good against cara

[bitter turtle]

im just trying to make the best of the agri

[terse idol]

Worse against maniac

[bitter turtle]

idgaf that zarona is better for that role

[raw steppe]

well the main issue

[terse idol]

And the agri would be the opposite

[junior needle]

Your hipster cred is acknowledged

[raw steppe]

is still the fact that ammo aura exists lmao

[terse idol]

Bad vs armour good vs maniac

But it just

Doesn't

[bitter turtle]

is not even just cause of that

[terse idol]

There is no distinction

[bitter turtle]

i liked playing speedloader zarona but its dead

cause they decided to nerf speedloader

agri is basically speedloader zarona

[junior needle]

Why would you run speedloader

[bitter turtle]

bc it was fun

[junior needle]

[bitter turtle]

slammin those bullets in at lightspeed

back when it was proc on melee kills

[terse idol]

Eh I'm not gonna consider ammo aura in this argument

[junior needle]

There are other reload speed boosts

[bitter turtle]

and no

it was not that bad

but im sure someone will say im coping like recon

[terse idol]

The issue being agri needs to kinda do its own thing which it's really trying

[bitter turtle]

but a gun that can 1tap all human special/elite is not recon tier lol

[toxic leaf]

this fucking genius who was replaced by a bot because hes a genius brought an infiltrate, damage aura + bolter to a no ammo melee only maelstrom

[terse idol]

But I like to think the zarona having AP and the agri having HP would be better designed than this

We all run handcannon regardless

[junior needle]

The ranged accuracy and being forced to hipfire to not fan is what does it. Even a 6d can get most shots on target at any range.

[bitter turtle]

that's how it should be

it should be a close/medium range gun

not a fucking sniper

eithe rway its perfectly usable in this role

u stand still for medium range and you can move for close range

perfectly usable this way

i know ur memeing on me for saying 8m

but unloading on crushers/maulers at 8m

or hitting ragers at 8m oneshot

is not useless

[junior needle]

But think about it this way, why take a gun that can only do close and mediumish range when a plethora of others can do similar in close and much better at range

[bitter turtle]

like what, and dont say fucking zarona or plasma or ciag

cause to me

its a decent tradeoff vs v7

[junior needle]

Any IAG can do well tbh

[bitter turtle]

i just have to play more up close and i can actually punch through crushers

[junior needle]

The other ones aren't that far behind in dps

[timid otter]

I had a feeling there would anyways be a few mistakes in a document like this

[bitter turtle]

yeah well all the iags are overtuned atm imo

[toxic leaf]

once upon a time, the emperor dropped this for me and ive been too lazy to try to replace it, speaking of revolvers

[bitter turtle]

tbh

idk maybe im just bored of playing slightly different flavors of the same gun @ iags

i compare it to the HHs which im usually playing and it seems fine to me

[timid otter]

Ill eventually update it with new info

the tunnel vision part i need to actually test

[bitter turtle]

ive already tested it

[timid otter]

If it does work like that the thing is also just worded wrong

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

here

[timid otter]

Extremely so

[bitter turtle]

like idk

[terse idol]

cruccian

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[bitter turtle]

we're still talking about a gun that can drop crusher in like 3 bullets

i think ppl just are unfair to agri bc its not zarona lol

[terse idol]

Yeah abit, with the inclusion of handcannon like

We didn't really get anywhere

[junior needle]

Grug say no like accuracy on agri

Feel bad, therefore it bad gun

Grug say simple

[bitter turtle]

well revolver will need to give up something to be a balanced gun

either it shouldnt dome everything in the game, or it shouldnt be a sniper rifle

[junior needle]

Grug say lard fish balance man need be tied to tree

[bitter turtle]

that's why i like agri

still can rapidly kill any armor type, but u cant do it from 1290481204 miles away

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, helbores 1/2 are good at both close and long

[bitter turtle]

helbore 1/2 cant deal with crusher that well at least

well

2 cant at least

[junior needle]

If you charge the shots they can

[bitter turtle]

takes

a fair bit of time

i can literally kill a crusher with v7 in the same amount of time

[thick flint]

what about from 1290481203 miles away?

[bitter turtle]

its like literally 4-5 shots

all charged crits

just spamming shots into it with v7 takes about the same amt of time

and i dont think anyone is gonna tell me v7 is good vs crushers

[junior needle]

Does that include waiting for surgical?

[bitter turtle]

for v7?

no

im literally just spamming mindlessly into it

and it kills it about as fast

[junior needle]

HMM

I will test

[bitter turtle]

wow

dont believe me

fine